Remember the days when a top of the line RZR was $10,999 and that was considered a high end side by side? Now these things are literally priced more than many compact cars. So stupid...
Comparing the razors of yesterday, to the razors of today is definitely an apples and oranges comparison. There are still cheap models out there that would be comparable to an early razor, but the new machines are much faster, much more powerful and much more capable than the machines of yesterday.
An actual dream machine... Cause if you have one, pinch yourself to see if you are awake! Jokinh aside, when a side by side gets close to the price of a serviceable 4runner or Wrangler... Keep dreaming, i guess! Great video, TK!
It looks good but I'll have to wait till one comes in for maintenance or accessories to give it a whirl. In the last 12 months we've averaged about $1000 in accessories per unit sold, people still going crazy running up their credit tab. From what I understand, enjoying the great outdoors requires a bluetooth sound system, multicolor rock lights and matching lighted whips, and the largest tires that will fit under the rig to hold up the weight of a 30 pack. I guess I just wasn't paying attention going out on the Bass pond in my canoe, or riding my trails on 3 and 4 wheelers sober. Well, to each his own.
Yamaha really did a great job with the Rmax. I think they need to look into a vented glass windshield option of some sort. And framed upper door options from the factory since the aftermarket hasn’t come to the rescue yet. The doors need redesigned to come up at the back to bed hight for a better looking more functional design so they can do away with the after thought shoulder bolsters attached to the seat.
I would have bought one of these because i have a yamaha street bike and a dirtbike but the cab was too small for me, i ended up getting a krx 1000 and i love it, great machine
I just got the 2023 RMAX4. Its a great rig all around. I just wish they equipped it with a better tablet GPS. The one it comes with works fine for tracking and monitoring the engine, but I have yet to figure out how to create routes and download any apps. Unfortunately it comes with very little memory and the processing speed when using the browser is unbearably slow. It would be perfect if they put in a more robust Adventure Pro tablet. That's the thing I'm most disappointed with. I had to buy onX off road and a phone mount.
love the machine, but i agree. I'll probaly buy a X2 because of price. I've also heard these are very loud machines. i defintly don't want that. No personal experience on that, just have had a couple freinds that have rode in them and that was their biggest complaint. just to much money for my ol country ass.
I have an rmax before it was even broke in the CVs started clicking took to dealer keep it for almost a yr and now no warranty finally got it back and wouldn't you know the CVs still click I've always been a Yamaha fan but this is not the quality I'm used to from them .
Love my rmax only thing why didn’t Yamaha put a turf mode to un lock positraction rear end on hard surface it sucks it pushes when u make a u turn so you have back up and take a second try besides I wouldn’t drive it on my lawn it would destroy it not every one rides in dirt All the time
We own a Kodiak 700 and it's the same situation. Fully locked rear that you can't unlock, and most of the time we're driving across the lawn to pickup leaves etc. Would be nice to have a turf mode. Polaris has had it for years.
Where in the sales pitch did they describe driving around the yard picking up leaves. These are trail machines. I have the two seater and a ranger for working around the property. On the trails you know which one I'm driving @@tkpowersports
I own a 2022 Rmax 4 , would have never purchased it if I would have known of the ongoing problem with a tapping noise in transmission , not impressed how Yamaha is dealing with it . Unbelievable!
I have a 22 se 4 seat rmax and it did the taping noise until I ran it through a few mud hole and the noise went away, I know it’s not a mechanical fix but I’m glad it’s gone. I actually think it is the cooler lines in the front end , they are aluminum lines that run through aluminum brackets that make a tapping noise and higher speed. U can undo the brackets and put some sort of tape around the pipes where it sits in the brackets or just get it good and muddy lmao it was definitely fun hitting the mud. Hope this helps.
Been looking for a fix for this for 2 years now. The sound sucks and it’s bull that they have no answer. I run the guts out of mine , still running strong with 0 issues but I’m right there with you I would have bought a commander if I would have known. It’s definitely not a pressing sound for $26,000
I think I saw this review in 2021. Luckily Yamaha does new colors every year because otherwise it's the same machine. No accessories, clanky motor, bad radio, bad adventure pro, weak axles
I've had my 2022 RMAX XTR since November of 2021. There are only two pros to this unit, the reliability and the drive modes. Pretty much every other feature/design on the machine is disappointing. Suspension is horrendous. Storage is nonexistent. Doors are completely and utterly useless. Audio system is awful. Adventure Pro is as far from "pro" as it gets. The ergonomics are awkward. The Yamaha accessories are insanely overpriced and very poorly designed, which really sucks because hardly any companies bother to make accessories for this thing. Quality control really went to hell with high demand orders. The power is nowhere near satisfying. Put simply, I am not impressed. It isn't great at anything in particular. It is a very expensive, mediocre UTV. I kept pumping money into it and throwing parts at it, hoping I would suddenly fall in love with this investment. It just didn't happen. Unfortunately, I've sunk a college degrees worth of funds into this pile, and I'm stuck with it until I find something else worth starting completely over. The search for the perfect SXS continues...
2021 Rmax 1000 x4, current miles 1760. Banging/Clunking of the rear axle shafts when turning, mostly to the left. The cause IS DESIGN DEFICEINCIES. My wife and I are seniors that put-put thru the trails and give rides for the grandkids. If executed correctly, these joints would FUNCTION FLAWLESSLY and last a lifetime. I replaced the rear half shafts and inspected them. The inner and outer races of the inboard CV, the modified rzeppa joint, have deep dimples where the balls normally ride. I am guessing that the noise is created when the extra torque created while turning causes the balls to bind and jump from dimple to dimple. (any “scrubbing action” should be a piece of cake for this type of joint in this light of a vehicle). I believe lack of attention to detail in Yamaya’s execution IS the cause. Until Yamaha focuses their attention on the details and implements the design correctly, the problem WILL PERSIST.
I know what failed on the Yamaha REAR half shafts MAKING ALL THAT POPING AND BANGING, EVERYTHING! POOR DESIGN POSSIBLY POOR MATERIALS POOR TOLERANCES & POOR MACHINING/GRINDING Yamaha’s configuration: The outboard joint is ONLY a rzeppa joint, No axial travel at all. (not a bad thing) The inboard IS A MODIFIED RZEPPA, allowing axial travel. I have not seen another implementation of this type of joint, though I would bet $$$ that if it could be made to work reliably, GM would have done it. Guess which one is making the noise! Footnotes: If you are familiar with the GM rzeppa design, you know that the inner and outer ball races are arranged in a cross axes pattern, canted. This configuration helps keep the balls in a plane called the homokinetic plane. GM also uses a cage to work together with the canted ball races to ensure the bearings stay well aligned within the homokinetic plane. By doing this, the joint becomes a ROBUST TRUE CONSTANT VELOCITY which has a long life in use. GM did everything else right too. Half shafts need a swivel joint on each end and a means to accommodate length change. GM chose to use a rzeppa on the outboard swivel joint and use something different, which they call a TRIPOT for the inboard swivel joint. The trypot is not a true constant velocity joint AND it cannot handle the torques and amount of deflection that the rzeppa can, but it is good enough to handle the demands of the job as drive shaft deflection angles on the inboard end are not large and it also collapses to perform the length changing requirements AND THEY DO IT for an exceptionally long life. BACK TO THE YAMAHA DESIGN: The outboard rzeppa will do GREAT in this application for many thousands of miles in all conditions expected in the ATV’s provided the design is correct, i.e. High precision, preloaded correctly and well lubricated. Yamaha’s implementation remains unproven for me, only time will tell. For the inboard swivel joint that Yamaha came up with, and presumably the same as the other ATV manufactures, it’s a compromised rzeppa. The ball races are PARALLEL TO THE AXIS OF THE SHAFT. This modification allows the inner race to travel up and down the outer race accommodating the shaft length change function. The consequences of this adaptation: The baring cage alone must keep the balls from falling out and traveling within the homokinetic plane. Theoretically, this should/would be fine, but in at least this case I can say Yamaha’s bearing tolerances don’t even come close to that of GM’s. There is actually zero preload on the bearings! The outer races don’t appear to be as polished as the inners, only contacting on the edges of the race channels. Also, both inner and outer races have dimples made by the ball bearing contact, like they don’t have the required hardness. Probably needed soft materials to handle the dynamic loads created by the lash in the bearings alone. Footnote; The rzeppa joints that GM manufactures are among the tightest tolerance assemblies, ANYWHERE. Even exceeding the normal high precision bearing tolerances. Back to Yamaha, I personally don’t believe Yamaha’s design had a chance at long life. Relying on the bearing cage alone to keep the balls in the correct location and loose fitting bearings without proper preload coupled with soft materials guarantees early failure. THEY WERE NOT DRY as some people suggested online! Quite the contrary! I can apply enough torque with my hands while telescoping the joint to feel the coggy bearings. YOU CAN SEE THE DENTS IN THE RACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN RIDING. This application needs true rzeppa joints on each end and a telescoping spline pair between them to accommodate the length change. APPEARANTLY, NO MANUFACTURE IS WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY.
This machine is impressive. I like the sport version. Pricing is out of control though.
Remember the days when a top of the line RZR was $10,999 and that was considered a high end side by side? Now these things are literally priced more than many compact cars. So stupid...
People keep paying the stupid prices unfortunately
Just wait til you see the new rzr. It’s 50g no joke
They make cheep rzrs for people like you.
@@xXKingReptarXxInsane
Comparing the razors of yesterday, to the razors of today is definitely an apples and oranges comparison. There are still cheap models out there that would be comparable to an early razor, but the new machines are much faster, much more powerful and much more capable than the machines of yesterday.
An actual dream machine... Cause if you have one, pinch yourself to see if you are awake! Jokinh aside, when a side by side gets close to the price of a serviceable 4runner or Wrangler... Keep dreaming, i guess! Great video, TK!
My brother has one and now I’m sold on it, expensive but this machine will last forever if serviced correctly, perfect mix between fun and capability
It looks good but I'll have to wait till one comes in for maintenance or accessories to give it a whirl. In the last 12 months we've averaged about $1000 in accessories per unit sold, people still going crazy running up their credit tab. From what I understand, enjoying the great outdoors requires a bluetooth sound system, multicolor rock lights and matching lighted whips, and the largest tires that will fit under the rig to hold up the weight of a 30 pack. I guess I just wasn't paying attention going out on the Bass pond in my canoe, or riding my trails on 3 and 4 wheelers sober. Well, to each his own.
Ok Debbie Downer.....
You must be fun at parties. 🙄
I own one and absolutely love it……great machine by Yamaha…..
Yamaha really did a great job with the Rmax. I think they need to look into a vented glass windshield option of some sort. And framed upper door options from the factory since the aftermarket hasn’t come to the rescue yet. The doors need redesigned to come up at the back to bed hight for a better looking more functional design so they can do away with the after thought shoulder bolsters attached to the seat.
Got 2022 LE 2 love it great machine
probably would have bought this in 2019 if it was out. ended up buying x2 camo and no regrets so far. great machine!
im lookin at tan xtr have you had any issues or noises on rear end an transmission any problems thanks
i have close to 5000km with no issues at all!@@ceethelight1239
I would have bought one of these because i have a yamaha street bike and a dirtbike but the cab was too small for me, i ended up getting a krx 1000 and i love it, great machine
The Rmax has a great drive train ,I wish the cabs were more air tight for winter driving
Have the LE 2 love it
I want every sxs but this one would be the perfect fit for me
I just got the 2023 RMAX4. Its a great rig all around. I just wish they equipped it with a better tablet GPS. The one it comes with works fine for tracking and monitoring the engine, but I have yet to figure out how to create routes and download any apps. Unfortunately it comes with very little memory and the processing speed when using the browser is unbearably slow. It would be perfect if they put in a more robust Adventure Pro tablet. That's the thing I'm most disappointed with. I had to buy onX off road and a phone mount.
love the machine, but i agree. I'll probaly buy a X2 because of price. I've also heard these are very loud machines. i defintly don't want that. No personal experience on that, just have had a couple freinds that have rode in them and that was their biggest complaint.
just to much money for my ol country ass.
That’s a really nice machine y’all let me know when you decide to sell one for the price of one not three
The unit is impressive but is missing one crucial item for me… an un-locking rear diff.
Rear is always locked.
@@dbphillips1978 fat fingered the comment update it. I want an un-locking feature. "turf-mode"
@@papajon-1000 OK, yeah, had it on my ranger. It was nice, I'll admit.
i have the 22' le model great bike cant say that enough. One huge down fault is that its engine is very loud in the cab on the 2 seater anyways.
im lookin at a rmax xtr 1000 have you figured out way to quiet it down in cab an have you had any issues with it thanks
No I haven’t. It’s very loud the 2 seater is anyways. So far a good bike though I do like it
I have an rmax before it was even broke in the CVs started clicking took to dealer keep it for almost a yr and now no warranty finally got it back and wouldn't you know the CVs still click I've always been a Yamaha fan but this is not the quality I'm used to from them .
Seal up the wheel wells. No need to have the entire are open. It only traps mud and snow
Love my rmax only thing why didn’t Yamaha put a turf mode to un lock positraction rear end on hard surface it sucks it pushes when u make a u turn so you have back up and take a second try besides I wouldn’t drive it on my lawn it would destroy it not every one rides in dirt All the time
We own a Kodiak 700 and it's the same situation. Fully locked rear that you can't unlock, and most of the time we're driving across the lawn to pickup leaves etc. Would be nice to have a turf mode. Polaris has had it for years.
Where in the sales pitch did they describe driving around the yard picking up leaves. These are trail machines. I have the two seater and a ranger for working around the property. On the trails you know which one I'm driving @@tkpowersports
I own a 2022 Rmax 4 , would have never purchased it if I would have known of the ongoing problem with a tapping noise in transmission , not impressed how Yamaha is dealing with it . Unbelievable!
I have a 22 se 4 seat rmax and it did the taping noise until I ran it through a few mud hole and the noise went away, I know it’s not a mechanical fix but I’m glad it’s gone. I actually think it is the cooler lines in the front end , they are aluminum lines that run through aluminum brackets that make a tapping noise and higher speed. U can undo the brackets and put some sort of tape around the pipes where it sits in the brackets or just get it good and muddy lmao it was definitely fun hitting the mud. Hope this helps.
Been looking for a fix for this for 2 years now. The sound sucks and it’s bull that they have no answer. I run the guts out of mine , still running strong with 0 issues but I’m right there with you I would have bought a commander if I would have known. It’s definitely not a pressing sound for $26,000
Same sound here. Let me know if anyone is 100% figured out this problem.
Can you tell me why Yamaha made this vehicle 'off road use only'? It cannot be made street legal.
It depends on your state. Here in North Carolina it doesn't matter that it says that, you can make them street legal.
The fri king price is out of every customer's.. come on..
I think I saw this review in 2021. Luckily Yamaha does new colors every year because otherwise it's the same machine. No accessories, clanky motor, bad radio, bad adventure pro, weak axles
Price is out of control, much like everything these Biden days! 🙄
The mid engine design was not smart. The rmax is horribly loud.
P r o m o s m 😒
I've had my 2022 RMAX XTR since November of 2021. There are only two pros to this unit, the reliability and the drive modes. Pretty much every other feature/design on the machine is disappointing. Suspension is horrendous. Storage is nonexistent. Doors are completely and utterly useless. Audio system is awful. Adventure Pro is as far from "pro" as it gets. The ergonomics are awkward. The Yamaha accessories are insanely overpriced and very poorly designed, which really sucks because hardly any companies bother to make accessories for this thing. Quality control really went to hell with high demand orders. The power is nowhere near satisfying. Put simply, I am not impressed. It isn't great at anything in particular. It is a very expensive, mediocre UTV. I kept pumping money into it and throwing parts at it, hoping I would suddenly fall in love with this investment. It just didn't happen. Unfortunately, I've sunk a college degrees worth of funds into this pile, and I'm stuck with it until I find something else worth starting completely over. The search for the perfect SXS continues...
2021 Rmax 1000 x4, current miles 1760. Banging/Clunking of the rear axle shafts when turning, mostly to the left.
The cause IS DESIGN DEFICEINCIES. My wife and I are seniors that put-put thru the trails and give rides for the grandkids. If executed correctly, these joints would FUNCTION FLAWLESSLY and last a lifetime.
I replaced the rear half shafts and inspected them. The inner and outer races of the inboard CV, the modified rzeppa joint, have deep dimples where the balls normally ride. I am guessing that the noise is created when the extra torque created while turning causes the balls to bind and jump from dimple to dimple. (any “scrubbing action” should be a piece of cake for this type of joint in this light of a vehicle). I believe lack of attention to detail in Yamaya’s execution IS the cause. Until Yamaha focuses their attention on the details and implements the design correctly, the problem WILL PERSIST.
I know what failed on the Yamaha REAR half shafts MAKING ALL THAT POPING AND BANGING, EVERYTHING!
POOR DESIGN
POSSIBLY POOR MATERIALS
POOR TOLERANCES
& POOR MACHINING/GRINDING
Yamaha’s configuration:
The outboard joint is ONLY a rzeppa joint, No axial travel at all. (not a bad thing)
The inboard IS A MODIFIED RZEPPA, allowing axial travel. I have not seen another implementation of this type of joint, though I would bet $$$ that if it could be made to work reliably, GM would have done it. Guess which one is making the noise!
Footnotes:
If you are familiar with the GM rzeppa design, you know that the inner and outer ball races are arranged in a cross axes pattern, canted. This configuration helps keep the balls in a plane called the homokinetic plane. GM also uses a cage to work together with the canted ball races to ensure the bearings stay well aligned within the homokinetic plane. By doing this, the joint becomes a ROBUST TRUE CONSTANT VELOCITY which has a long life in use. GM did everything else right too.
Half shafts need a swivel joint on each end and a means to accommodate length change.
GM chose to use a rzeppa on the outboard swivel joint and use something different, which they call a TRIPOT for the inboard swivel joint. The trypot is not a true constant velocity joint AND it cannot handle the torques and amount of deflection that the rzeppa can, but it is good enough to handle the demands of the job as drive shaft deflection angles on the inboard end are not large and it also collapses to perform the length changing requirements AND THEY DO IT for an exceptionally long life.
BACK TO THE YAMAHA DESIGN:
The outboard rzeppa will do GREAT in this application for many thousands of miles in all conditions expected in the ATV’s provided the design is correct, i.e. High precision, preloaded correctly and well lubricated. Yamaha’s implementation remains unproven for me, only time will tell.
For the inboard swivel joint that Yamaha came up with, and presumably the same as the other ATV manufactures, it’s a compromised rzeppa. The ball races are PARALLEL TO THE AXIS OF THE SHAFT. This modification allows the inner race to travel up and down the outer race accommodating the shaft length change function.
The consequences of this adaptation:
The baring cage alone must keep the balls from falling out and traveling within the homokinetic plane.
Theoretically, this should/would be fine, but in at least this case I can say Yamaha’s bearing tolerances don’t even come close to that of GM’s. There is actually zero preload on the bearings! The outer races don’t appear to be as polished as the inners, only contacting on the edges of the race channels. Also, both inner and outer races have dimples made by the ball bearing contact, like they don’t have the required hardness. Probably needed soft materials to handle the dynamic loads created by the lash in the bearings alone.
Footnote;
The rzeppa joints that GM manufactures are among the tightest tolerance assemblies, ANYWHERE. Even exceeding the normal high precision bearing tolerances.
Back to Yamaha,
I personally don’t believe Yamaha’s design had a chance at long life. Relying on the bearing cage alone to keep the balls in the correct location and loose fitting bearings without proper preload coupled with soft materials guarantees early failure.
THEY WERE NOT DRY as some people suggested online! Quite the contrary!
I can apply enough torque with my hands while telescoping the joint to feel the coggy bearings. YOU CAN SEE THE DENTS IN THE RACES WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN RIDING.
This application needs true rzeppa joints on each end and a telescoping spline pair between them to accommodate the length change. APPEARANTLY, NO MANUFACTURE IS WILLING TO SPEND THE MONEY.