You likely know this from experience already: Put the companionway covers in and close the hatch. Some PFD's too. Put the pole fwd, tighten the lines, look for lines in the water so, you don't wrap the prop. Increase the percentage of safety for the ugly session. Don't film unless the above is sorted. I would think lessons learned here would be applied throughout your wonderful voyage. Sorry for being a Doggie Downer. The boat took care of you there: Is good to know.
Anything more than a slight sea, at least one washboard in and companion way hatch closed. It's too easy to be caught off guard and once conditions deteriorate it's too late. Rounded Portland Bill in April this year on the inside passage. Overfalls were pretty lumpy. The most scary bit I've been through is Ramsey Sound
This is next level scary, and knowing a camera compresses the footage I literally cannot fathom how it really was out there that day. Well done to both of you for keeping your cool
I cannot wait to get back sailing the Pacific again. You both have driven me harder to get everything in order and sail south once again. The passion to return is overwhelming at times. Thanks for taking us along with you journey of a lifetime 😎⛵️
Weymouth and Portland my favourite places in Uk. Wow you sailed quickly from the other side of Australia to Portland in less than a week LOL 😂. I have never been on a small boat around Portland. Only on the Condor Ferry that used to sail out of Weymouth. Then that’s miles out to sea when we passed Portland Bill. I wonder what it’s like on a rough day .
I've been sailing around the south coast for a number of years but have yet to round Portland Bill, heard lots about it from those that have and I've visited the Bill by land to check it out. This video is really useful, particularly showing what the race can be like on what is otherwise a really calm day. Friends of mine who have rounded the Bill numerous times mention going inside so close that you can almost touch the rocks on the shore, or as you say going way off to get round. I'm hoping to make it one day to go further west and you video has helped with that, even if it is a short clip. And it's good to see you reflecting on any mistakes that were made, you handled them in any case, but learning from them as well, which helps all of us. Thanks for posting.
We were heading for the inside passage but completely misjudged it and got pulled through the overfalls. We have been around the outside before it was still a little bumpy. Lots of mistakes were made here but if people can learn from this then it was definitely worth posting. I hope you're rounding goes well ✌️👊
I remember this one from years ago, I must be one of the OG subscribers! Episode 1 came up in my feed and I've been hooked ever since. Keep on sailing boys!
I am so envious of your life, and dream of doing the same all the time. Then I see bad weather sailing and my feet get cold. Another professional looking stint here guys. Thanks.
That brought back a memory. When I was in my boat NORSELA I went round to point near Holyhead it was just like that. Sailing over a Waffle is what I thought. Cheers.
Hell's Bells. That sea was roiling. Increadable camera angle. It looked freaking hectic on video so I know it was way worse in actual experience. You can now travel around Cape Horn with confidence. LOLS. Great work guys, that's definitely worth a half block of cheese each. Regards from South Africa
Been out there in the race commercial fishing on an IP23 in a force 7. She handled it better than I did, I was kacking my pants. One second it was nothing but sky and the next nothing but water. You come to love a boat that looks after you and the fry up I had after we moored up was the best I’ve ever had, mainly because I didn’t expect to have one. I was young and naive, but my uncle Alec said afterwards it was touch and go. Ignorance is bliss😅
Well done for staying calm. Not much you can do in that situation. I would’ve closed the hatch though in case a big wave dumped half a ton of water into your cabin.
Glad you made it without incident. I went through that in my Vancouver 34, it was a fast ride. I was white knuckled looking at that sail on the foredeck, hoping it would stay put and not get washed over. It all adds to the learning experience! Stay safe and enjoy 👍
In brittany we have this kind of place... Golfe du Morbihan, Penmarc’h, raz de Sein, Libenter, Primel. And "Raz Blanchard" in the Channel, really funny😂. Sometime, as you get off " rade de Brest" you are in a shaker, really hard! Try "Cap Breton" and Golfe de Gascogne.😢
Well done. You learned. You are now better sailors. 👍 Just apply what you have learned to other aspects of your safety and sailing. It's fun. Stay focused always.
Hello again ! We sailed the outside of Portland Bill this summer with our mini transat 6,50m, following the Channel Pilot’s instructions to be there at slack water and 3 NM offshore. The wind was blowing between 15 and 20 knots, head on. All went well but, at the West Shambles mark, it was quite rough, despite all precautions ! So yes, it’s definitely a place to take seriously 🙄 Your videos have been a great inspiration for us, and motivated us to sail the arc from Roscoff, to Alderney, Portland, Plymouth and return ! 520 NM during the summer, our biggest tour so far ! 🙂 Hoping other viewers will make the leap as well ! 🍀 Take care, 😎
Hello 👋 It's a very dangerous place especially if you get it wrong like we did. We have been on the outside and it can get quite rough. Congratulations on your 520 mile Passage 😁⛵
I appreciate the moral courage in admitting to what are a number of mistakes from passage planning to personal safety and boat preparation. I've made very similar if not worse mistakes myself over the years and know exactly how you're feeling. However, the only thing I'd criticise is the advice to always take the offshore route. Having rounded the Bill many times in many different conditions there are certainly times when the inshore passage is quite viable, even calm and there are numerous pilot books that give excellent advice. Timing and the actual weather on the day are critical. That said, given the beating-up you'd just had I can understand why you'd say such a thing just minutes afterwards. I learned the hard way from my own screw-ups; perhaps they provide the best lessons. Many thanks for posting such an interesting video.
Yes we really did mess this up we hope people can learn from our mistakes. Next time more research is needed and I think we will take the offshore route ✌️
Wow! Thanks for sharing 👍 It confirms why my late hubby and I always aspired to owning a Rival whilst we cut our sailing teeth with a Hurley 22 (also a cracking little boat)
No problem for Atlas. Get that sail on the fore deck tied down. I went past 6 weeks ago but on the outside passage. 6 miles out across Torbay. If you don't make mistakes it's because your not out sailing.
This is a great video; it shows how when the foredeck meets the hull it can shrug off a lot of water that could otherwise be taken on board. Motorboats with high bulwarks? perhaps not.
Just read about Portland Bill in Peter Clutterbuck's book. It eas awesome to see it in your video! They went around it in a Wayfarer dinghy in the 1960s if you can imagine that.
Yikes. If you are going round Portland. You need to look at the tidal atlas there is a small window on every tide when you can do the inside passage and if you do you have to stick really close to the shore. The Waymouth Harbour team have great local knowledge as do the Portland NCI. Otherwise you need to be at least 5 miles south of the Bill.
I don't know what to do here! I do, shouting: like a bat out of hell, we're gonna hit the highwaves like a battering ram, on a trusty white yacht, Atlas!". 😂👍
If you read the almanac is says round the Bill 5-10 miles offshore. The inside passage is 2-5 cables if I remember correctly 400 - 1000 metres (roughly) so you were too far offshore for the inner passage, not sensible if you’re motoring either, there’s loads of pots. Hence you ended up in the race. Maybe the passage wasn’t as well planned as you thought?
Wow. I went round Portland Bill with my dad when I was 14. I was petrified. I remember the same random high waves coming at all angles and the impossibility of making progress and getting out of it. My stepmother later admitted to me that she thought we might not make it.
Used the inshore passage many years ago, stayed VERY CLOSE to the shore, eerily calm in the counter-current/eddy. 24ft Macwester. The over falls looked even worse then. More often stayed well offshore. Timing important as well.
During WW2 the navy sent a destroyer and a cruiser through the race to gain heavy weather experience. It took 6 months to repair them afterwards! Avoid at all costs!
I anchored overnight in Portland harbour then set off for Salcombe I took the inside line there was a swell but no breaking waves but there must have been a 5 knot tide against me seemed to take forever to clear Portland .. the other one was St Albans ledge will avoid that one in future
You’re in a decent boat to deal with it at least. I haven’t been round there for a few years but I only ever took the inside passage at slack water I seem to recall and about 1-200 yards from the shore? Otherwise it was five miles south (seven in a blow) which is annoying if you’re coming or going from Weymouth. Still you dealt with it and hopefully learnt. Every day is a school day. (Nice boat btw).
Hopefully people will learn from our mistakes watching this short video. If we ever round it again either try for the in passage or go around the outside but as you said it's a long way around
Not a mistake you make twice! Reminded me a bit of when i got caught in wind over tide at St Aldhelms, although that wasn't as bad as your washing machine.
If you're coming from the East then you need to approach from Grove Point, when approaching from the West you need to steer towards a point halfway beween Chesil Cove and the Bill (there is a large square building) either way the rule of thumb is that you should be able to throw a rock ashore from the boat if using the inshore passage. If rounding from the West there is only a 2/3 hour window of fair tide at the Bill starting Devonport HW+1.
Well, you have to learn some way and when you get that close to really screwing up, it sticks harder. The part that made me nervous just watching was loose gear on deck, and the open hatch. It was a good video, really showed the danger of that much current. 👍
I had a similar experience outside your home port. I was sailing from Bristol to Padstow but the wind had increased to 30kts by the time I got to the English and Welsh buoy so I dropped my sails as approached the outer wrach intending to shelter in Cardiff. Then I heard a pan-pan for a yacht taking on water off Lavernock spit so headed across to possibly help. As I rounded the headland I ran into a 43kts SW wind over tide,bang on the nose. My Rival 36 was leaping out of the water at times. I got within 300 metres of the boat when the Barry lifeboat turned up and towed them to Barry docks. It took me an hour and a half to beat my way into the flat calm of the shelter in Barry by the sailing club. 😎
Even with no wind a raised mainsail might have given you more roll stability I should think. To be honest it was clearly very bumpy but without wind you're not going to get knocked down seriously. Anyway the motor didn't fail. That would not have been fun. Fair winds!
Why do sailors often not close the companionway? I know you know what you’re doing. However, I see so many videos of “OH NO” moments and the boat isn’t secure. Keep up the good work posting great content. I appreciate being able to learn from your experience.
A bit dangerous having the spinnaker on the foredeck . To get to the inner channel you have to be really close in. If you use the bearing line (course made good) on the GPS you will pick up as soon as you start to get “pulled” into the race.
The Spinnaker should have been put away it could have fallen overboard into the prop then we would be in trouble. Next time we go around there more researchers needed
Only those who have been in that kind of condition can understand how much perspective the camera takes away from. This video doesn’t give the appreciation of what you just went through.
That was unpleasant, but you got through OK. People do fish in the race in less turbulent conditions but I am happy to say that I have not (yet) been in it. I have done the inshore passage a few times in settled weather, but I have never been round the outside as it would add 10-15 nm to a trip to or from Portland. It is always “interesting” and keeps the navigator properly focussed, even if just making the decision about when to set off to get there at the right time.
It was very unpleasant we really messed up for the timing. I think next time give this a wide birth. I would like to experience the inside passage though 😜
It may have been a nav error but you came out the other side of the overfalls ok, perhaps with a few grey hairs (if you have any hair!) it’s all about learning from errors. I agree going offshore would have been a plan. Drink beer now!
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I went the inside passage last year. It was fine. Right timing. But then later I went out from Milford haven heading west and then north to Holyhead. I had some extremly wired seas outside Milford haven. Really scary stuff. Should have gone from Land’s end to Irland and the north. Would have been better. Birstol channel, rough place.
well i got sea sick watching but all people make mistakes and one you will learn from KRO its just one of those things so happy days lads nad KRO sailing
I was a bit surprised. I’ve rounded the Bill probably a dozen times in both directions. In an old, wooden 30-footer (twice), in my 28 ft Twister (the most times), and in my Rustler 36 (once). Except once, always on the inside passage (a biscuit’s toss from the Bill), and without problems. The only time I was caught in the race was in the old 30-footer, and that was by choice of the idiot skipper. Very rough, but not frightening. That being said, conditions can be very different. I also challenge your “most dangerous” claim. The Merry Men of May in the Pentland Firth is at another level entirely.
We have heard of many people taking the inside passage and it's a stone throw from the shoreline. That's what we aimed for but got it very wrong. When we were up in Scotland we would advise to stay clear of pentland firth
You likely know this from experience already: Put the companionway covers in and close the hatch. Some PFD's too. Put the pole fwd, tighten the lines, look for lines in the water so, you don't wrap the prop. Increase the percentage of safety for the ugly session. Don't film unless the above is sorted. I would think lessons learned here would be applied throughout your wonderful voyage. Sorry for being a Doggie Downer. The boat took care of you there: Is good to know.
Anything more than a slight sea, at least one washboard in and companion way hatch closed. It's too easy to be caught off guard and once conditions deteriorate it's too late. Rounded Portland Bill in April this year on the inside passage. Overfalls were pretty lumpy. The most scary bit I've been through is Ramsey Sound
We made many many mistakes and have definitely learnt from this All taken! Onboard 👍
I was just about to type the exact same thing, but then I saw your post.
also, get some sail up, for stability. Having a bit of canvas up will reduce the rolling.
This is next level scary, and knowing a camera compresses the footage I literally cannot fathom how it really was out there that day. Well done to both of you for keeping your cool
We were very scared at the time 😔
Very good that you send this video other sailors can learn frome this.
Glad it was helpful! 🙂
And could ultimately save lives.
I cannot wait to get back sailing the Pacific again. You both have driven me harder to get everything in order and sail south once again. The passion to return is overwhelming at times. Thanks for taking us along with you journey of a lifetime 😎⛵️
Get back out on the water and Head South 🌅. Sounds like your itching to get sailing 😁
Weymouth and Portland my favourite places in Uk. Wow you sailed quickly from the other side of Australia to Portland in less than a week LOL 😂. I have never been on a small boat around Portland. Only on the Condor Ferry that used to sail out of Weymouth. Then that’s miles out to sea when we passed Portland Bill. I wonder what it’s like on a rough day .
Well done for holding all that together. I remember as a kid watching a RN frigate in the Race and that was quite dramatic!
We made some terrible mistakes but learnt from them 👍
Holy *£&# that makes my heart race. I was screaming put the washboards in .. can you imagine that place in big seas . Wow
We made many mistakes 😔
I've been sailing around the south coast for a number of years but have yet to round Portland Bill, heard lots about it from those that have and I've visited the Bill by land to check it out. This video is really useful, particularly showing what the race can be like on what is otherwise a really calm day. Friends of mine who have rounded the Bill numerous times mention going inside so close that you can almost touch the rocks on the shore, or as you say going way off to get round. I'm hoping to make it one day to go further west and you video has helped with that, even if it is a short clip. And it's good to see you reflecting on any mistakes that were made, you handled them in any case, but learning from them as well, which helps all of us. Thanks for posting.
We were heading for the inside passage but completely misjudged it and got pulled through the overfalls. We have been around the outside before it was still a little bumpy. Lots of mistakes were made here but if people can learn from this then it was definitely worth posting. I hope you're rounding goes well ✌️👊
Fantastic footage guys 👌 as real as it gets,, look how far you've gone since then 👏👏
We have come a long way since then 👍
Mistakes. This has always been the one way of learning that we don't forget. you guys are great!
We hope people can learn from our mistakes 🙏
I remember this one from years ago, I must be one of the OG subscribers! Episode 1 came up in my feed and I've been hooked ever since. Keep on sailing boys!
You rock! 😁. It is a reupload. Just had to share it again
Great video, I really enjoyed that. You kept calm and rode it like a boss.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic, thanks for sharing.
My pleasure!
I am so envious of your life, and dream of doing the same all the time. Then I see bad weather sailing and my feet get cold. Another professional looking stint here guys. Thanks.
It's not all Sunshine bikinis and pina coladas. Sometimes the reality of sailing is hard, uncomfortable 😣
Always wanted to see what tidal overalls looked like and how they affect the boat - well done on getting through it and sharing - deeply appreciated.
We shared it hoping people will learn from our mistakes
That brought back a memory. When I was in my boat NORSELA I went round to point near Holyhead it was just like that. Sailing over a Waffle is what I thought. Cheers.
We took Atlas through the Holyhead race that was pretty damn scary
Hell's Bells. That sea was roiling. Increadable camera angle. It looked freaking hectic on video so I know it was way worse in actual experience. You can now travel around Cape Horn with confidence. LOLS. Great work guys, that's definitely worth a half block of cheese each.
Regards from South Africa
We certainly deserved cheese on toast on that day 😄
1:02 That's one helluva pitch angle!! Well done fellas!! 👍👍👍
Cheers ✌️✌️
Big of you posting this video of the event
Hoping people will learn from our mistakes
Been out there in the race commercial fishing on an IP23 in a force 7. She handled it better than I did, I was kacking my pants. One second it was nothing but sky and the next nothing but water. You come to love a boat that looks after you and the fry up I had after we moored up was the best I’ve ever had, mainly because I didn’t expect to have one. I was young and naive, but my uncle Alec said afterwards it was touch and go. Ignorance is bliss😅
Wow I bet that was absolutely terrifying but sounded like your vessel looked after you that's for sure! After that you'll trust her for anything
That was brutal! Glad you guys made it through safely in the end!
Yes it was!. Hopefully people can learn from our mistakes
Well done for staying calm. Not much you can do in that situation. I would’ve closed the hatch though in case a big wave dumped half a ton of water into your cabin.
We made many mistakes hopefully people will learn from our wrongdoins
Glad you made it without incident. I went through that in my Vancouver 34, it was a fast ride. I was white knuckled looking at that sail on the foredeck, hoping it would stay put and not get washed over. It all adds to the learning experience! Stay safe and enjoy 👍
It was quite scary and we made several mistakes hopefully people will learn from this video 📸
Absolutely no negative comment from me guys. You did an awesome job in an awkward situation. Well done.
Thank you! 🙏
My word you are really brave i have never seen such big dangerous waves, I have just shat myself.
Really dangerous sea conditions around that area
That looked crazy, glad you're OK.
You did amazing boys well done ❤
Thank you so much 😁
Everyone? knows this and you said it, give it a wide birth... planning. All that said, you're unscathed and it made a good video!
Next time we will give it a wide birth and go outside the markers offshore 👍
In brittany we have this kind of place...
Golfe du Morbihan, Penmarc’h, raz de Sein, Libenter, Primel.
And "Raz Blanchard" in the Channel, really funny😂.
Sometime, as you get off " rade de Brest" you are in a shaker, really hard!
Try "Cap Breton" and Golfe de Gascogne.😢
Very well done you sorted the problem and every one came out safe good job.😊
Yes, thanks 🙏🙏
Looked fine to me, you actually did the right thing by just , more or less floating through.
Ben there, got the T Shirt, had to get a 'tourist RIB to tow us thro as we were going backwards on our engine.
Holy cow
Try the Channel Islands - especially the Alderney Race.
Agreed! That or the Swinge - brilliant waters to test your navigation
Maybe next time 👍
Well done. You learned. You are now better sailors. 👍
Just apply what you have learned to other aspects of your safety and sailing.
It's fun. Stay focused always.
It was good to share our experience hopefully people will learn from it 😉
Hello again !
We sailed the outside of Portland Bill this summer with our mini transat 6,50m, following the Channel Pilot’s instructions to be there at slack water and 3 NM offshore. The wind was blowing between 15 and 20 knots, head on. All went well but, at the West Shambles mark, it was quite rough, despite all precautions ! So yes, it’s definitely a place to take seriously 🙄
Your videos have been a great inspiration for us, and motivated us to sail the arc from Roscoff, to Alderney, Portland, Plymouth and return ! 520 NM during the summer, our biggest tour so far ! 🙂
Hoping other viewers will make the leap as well ! 🍀
Take care,
😎
Hello 👋
It's a very dangerous place especially if you get it wrong like we did. We have been on the outside and it can get quite rough. Congratulations on your 520 mile Passage 😁⛵
In Dutch we say,: ' 'the best Captains are always on shore '', (easy to criticise when you are not doing it).
For sure ✌️
My policy passing the bill has always been "If you can see it, you're too close". Glad you're both ok.
I like that 👍
That’s Portland Bill off my holiday list then!😵
🤣🤣🤣
I appreciate the moral courage in admitting to what are a number of mistakes from passage planning to personal safety and boat preparation. I've made very similar if not worse mistakes myself over the years and know exactly how you're feeling. However, the only thing I'd criticise is the advice to always take the offshore route. Having rounded the Bill many times in many different conditions there are certainly times when the inshore passage is quite viable, even calm and there are numerous pilot books that give excellent advice. Timing and the actual weather on the day are critical. That said, given the beating-up you'd just had I can understand why you'd say such a thing just minutes afterwards. I learned the hard way from my own screw-ups; perhaps they provide the best lessons. Many thanks for posting such an interesting video.
Yes we really did mess this up we hope people can learn from our mistakes. Next time more research is needed and I think we will take the offshore route ✌️
Wow! Thanks for sharing 👍 It confirms why my late hubby and I always aspired to owning a Rival whilst we cut our sailing teeth with a Hurley 22 (also a cracking little boat)
That was our first boat Hurley 22 ✌️. Fantastic boat
@@TheSailingBrothers Great minds etc etc 😀
It's always good to test your boat
You got that right!
I was so afraid your forward sail was going to get washed over. I was nervous watching. Enjoyed the trauma 😮
The Spinnaker should not have been on the deck that could have been a disaster
Atlas looking after you. Go Atlas!
She always does ⛵
No problem for Atlas. Get that sail on the fore deck tied down. I went past 6 weeks ago but on the outside passage. 6 miles out across Torbay. If you don't make mistakes it's because your not out sailing.
We made many mistakes but learnt from it. Next time we will take the outside route 😁
This is a great video; it shows how when the foredeck meets the hull it can shrug off a lot of water that could otherwise be taken on board. Motorboats with high bulwarks? perhaps not.
Glad you found it helpful 😁
Brilliant! But what is that yellow thing on the foredeck not very securely tied on?!
It's the Spinnaker
@@TheSailingBrothers Ahh - hence the pole sticking out of the mast!
Just read about Portland Bill in Peter Clutterbuck's book. It eas awesome to see it in your video! They went around it in a Wayfarer dinghy in the 1960s if you can imagine that.
Wow they must have had some big cahoneys 😄
Yikes. If you are going round Portland. You need to look at the tidal atlas there is a small window on every tide when you can do the inside passage and if you do you have to stick really close to the shore. The Waymouth Harbour team have great local knowledge as do the Portland NCI. Otherwise you need to be at least 5 miles south of the Bill.
We had no knowledge of the inside pass and really messed it up. Definitely learn from this one,! 😉
oh my days the reality of sailing, i'm feeling sick just watching.
🤢🤮
I don't know what to do here! I do, shouting: like a bat out of hell, we're gonna hit the highwaves like a battering ram, on a trusty white yacht, Atlas!". 😂👍
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of the Cook Strait on a good day .
👊
Looks like my toy sail boat in the tub as a child.
🤣🤣
It might have been a mistake but it was fun to watch ✌️
Watching us crap ourselves 🤣🤣
If you read the almanac is says round the Bill 5-10 miles offshore. The inside passage is 2-5 cables if I remember correctly 400 - 1000 metres (roughly) so you were too far offshore for the inner passage, not sensible if you’re motoring either, there’s loads of pots. Hence you ended up in the race. Maybe the passage wasn’t as well planned as you thought?
That's right we made some mistakes. Bit of a nightmare as we completely messed it up
If you are going in shore you have got to go a couple of meters from the shore and put your engine on
Yes we made a big mistake 😟
Wow. I went round Portland Bill with my dad when I was 14. I was petrified. I remember the same random high waves coming at all angles and the impossibility of making progress and getting out of it. My stepmother later admitted to me that she thought we might not make it.
It's a pretty terrifying place if you get it wrong 😔
Used the inshore passage many years ago, stayed VERY CLOSE to the shore, eerily calm in the counter-current/eddy. 24ft Macwester. The over falls looked even worse then. More often stayed well offshore. Timing important as well.
Ezer get the inside passage right or go offshore to be safe we messed up and went right through the middle 😞
As a laser sailor these are the conditions I absolutely love.
Rad 😁😁💪
Is that the spinnaker left on deck..?
Yep 😞
Where is this though?
Portland Bill
And that's with no wind. Imagine how bad it is with a strong wind over tide 😮
Can't imagine what it's like around there in a storm
During WW2 the navy sent a destroyer and a cruiser through the race to gain heavy weather experience. It took 6 months to repair them afterwards! Avoid at all costs!
If it's like that in calms, I wouldn't like to be there when the wind kicks up!
Can't imagine what it's like in a storm 😲
I went free diving / spear fishing many years ago in that area, scary!
No way 😲
I anchored overnight in Portland harbour then set off for Salcombe I took the inside line there was a swell but no breaking waves but there must have been a 5 knot tide against me seemed to take forever to clear Portland .. the other one was St Albans ledge will avoid that one in future
We tried headed for the inside passage but got it completely wrong 😞
I live where you can get the biggest kind of waves, but nothing that sloppy and messy. I tip my hat to Rival for making a worthy boat.
Straights of Belle Isle, wind against tide looks like that
@@edwardfinn4141 winks and tips hat...whaddaya at?
She is a very good strong boat ⛵
You’re in a decent boat to deal with it at least. I haven’t been round there for a few years but I only ever took the inside passage at slack water I seem to recall and about 1-200 yards from the shore? Otherwise it was five miles south (seven in a blow) which is annoying if you’re coming or going from Weymouth. Still you dealt with it and hopefully learnt. Every day is a school day. (Nice boat btw).
Hopefully people will learn from our mistakes watching this short video. If we ever round it again either try for the in passage or go around the outside but as you said it's a long way around
Wat not first getting up the main before getting into waves.. it Will help the boat find stability. Then genot etc. And sail away?
We had the Spinnaker flying beforehand. There was zero wind 🌬️
Not a mistake you make twice! Reminded me a bit of when i got caught in wind over tide at St Aldhelms, although that wasn't as bad as your washing machine.
We will never make that mistake again that's for sure 👍
Jim Davidson the comedian did the same thing in his Motor Yacht Mitchie, he said it was very bouncy!
No way 😁
@@TheSailingBrothers Aquaholic TH-cam channel: episode Meet The Owner : Jim Davidson, from about three years ago
If you're coming from the East then you need to approach from Grove Point, when approaching from the West you need to steer towards a point halfway beween Chesil Cove and the Bill (there is a large square building) either way the rule of thumb is that you should be able to throw a rock ashore from the boat if using the inshore passage. If rounding from the West there is only a 2/3 hour window of fair tide at the Bill starting Devonport HW+1.
Thank you for all the fantastic information really appreciate that 🙏
Well, you have to learn some way and when you get that close to really screwing up, it sticks harder. The part that made me nervous just watching was loose gear on deck, and the open hatch. It was a good video, really showed the danger of that much current. 👍
We made many mistakes but learnt from them 👍
I ran into the Alderny races one time, the skipper wished me luck and told me I could only learn from it.
Can happen to everyone.
We certainly learn from our mistake
Blimy that was rough x
Pretty damn scary 😟
I had a similar experience outside your home port. I was sailing from Bristol to Padstow but the wind had increased to 30kts by the time I got to the English and Welsh buoy so I dropped my sails as approached the outer wrach intending to shelter in Cardiff. Then I heard a pan-pan for a yacht taking on water off Lavernock spit so headed across to possibly
help. As I rounded the headland I ran into a 43kts SW wind over tide,bang on the nose. My Rival 36 was leaping out of the water at times. I got within 300 metres of the boat when the Barry lifeboat turned up and towed them to Barry docks. It took me an hour and a half to beat my way into the flat calm of the shelter in Barry by the sailing club. 😎
WOW that's crazy John thanks for the story 🤯
Even with no wind a raised mainsail might have given you more roll stability I should think.
To be honest it was clearly very bumpy but without wind you're not going to get knocked down seriously.
Anyway the motor didn't fail. That would not have been fun.
Fair winds!
Yes we did make many mistakes but definitely learnt from the experience 😉
Why do sailors often not close the companionway? I know you know what you’re doing. However, I see so many videos of “OH NO” moments and the boat isn’t secure. Keep up the good work posting great content. I appreciate being able to learn from your experience.
Good point! We should have had the companion way closed 🔒
you sailed the world and the scaryiest sail was back in uk waters😮
Yep 👍
I alway go under engine at slack tide, close enough to toss a ship's biscuit.
Portland, Start Point, Alderney races, all require respect and good timing. Better with some sail set to help control roll.
A very dangerous area we made many mistakes
Anytime you might ship water you should close the Maine hatch.Gnarly!
Yep 👍
A bit dangerous having the spinnaker on the foredeck . To get to the inner channel you have to be really close in. If you use the bearing line (course made good) on the GPS you will pick up as soon as you start to get “pulled” into the race.
The Spinnaker should have been put away it could have fallen overboard into the prop then we would be in trouble. Next time we go around there more researchers needed
I've passed this way many times I give Portland a wide berth.
It can be a very dangerous place
Only those who have been in that kind of condition can understand how much perspective the camera takes away from. This video doesn’t give the appreciation of what you just went through.
The sea was big and very confused much bigger in real life ✌️
Or how long it can go on for! The relentlessness. It finishes when it finishes!
That was unpleasant, but you got through OK. People do fish in the race in less turbulent conditions but I am happy to say that I have not (yet) been in it. I have done the inshore passage a few times in settled weather, but I have never been round the outside as it would add 10-15 nm to a trip to or from Portland. It is always “interesting” and keeps the navigator properly focussed, even if just making the decision about when to set off to get there at the right time.
It was very unpleasant we really messed up for the timing. I think next time give this a wide birth. I would like to experience the inside passage though 😜
Where are you, I'm confused because I thought you were in the pacific?
It's an old release of when we were rounding Portland bill in the UK
It may have been a nav error but you came out the other side of the overfalls ok, perhaps with a few grey hairs (if you have any hair!) it’s all about learning from errors. I agree going offshore would have been a plan. Drink beer now!
Going offshore is the way it's much safer if you don't know the area. I certainly had some grey hairs that day 😣
Scary stuff, how come you don't close your hatch and washboards?
Bloody scary !
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Get to the Mediterranean mate you love it I’ve been here since 2017
We would like to visit one day
@@TheSailingBrothers don’t leave it to late you love it 3 months in Spain the 3 months in Morocco 🇲🇦
Cheap as bro 😎
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And now we can see why charts say steer clear of features like these overalls at Portland Bill.
It's a very dangerous place especially when it's windy
I went the inside passage last year. It was fine. Right timing. But then later I went out from Milford haven heading west and then north to Holyhead. I had some extremly wired seas outside Milford haven. Really scary stuff. Should have gone from Land’s end to Irland and the north. Would have been better. Birstol channel, rough place.
There are lots of places around the UK with from tides bad overfalls especially around Holyhead race 😮
well i got sea sick watching but all people make mistakes and one you will learn from KRO its just one of those things so happy days lads nad KRO sailing
It is one of those things we will always remember and definitely learn from 👍
I sailed through the exact spot in February going from Poole to Weymouth and the video footage doesnt do justice to how big the waves get.
It was a pretty terrifying experience
@@TheSailingBrothers harnesses on, sails reefed, you looked good.
Lucky you never had your Spinnaker washed off the foredeck
Yep that's for sure!
Well done for being honest. You won't be the first or last for that one.
Hopefully people can learn from our mistakes
@@TheSailingBrothers I'm sure they will do. 👍
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A tightly sheeted main will stabilize your boat.
Very true 👍
I was a bit surprised. I’ve rounded the Bill probably a dozen times in both directions. In an old, wooden 30-footer (twice), in my 28 ft Twister (the most times), and in my Rustler 36 (once). Except once, always on the inside passage (a biscuit’s toss from the Bill), and without problems. The only time I was caught in the race was in the old 30-footer, and that was by choice of the idiot skipper. Very rough, but not frightening. That being said, conditions can be very different. I also challenge your “most dangerous” claim. The Merry Men of May in the Pentland Firth is at another level entirely.
We have heard of many people taking the inside passage and it's a stone throw from the shoreline. That's what we aimed for but got it very wrong. When we were up in Scotland we would advise to stay clear of pentland firth
Well, that was a bit scary
Scared the living daylights out of us
You will be glad you dident opt for a rinse and spin cycle!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
We needed to put more coins in for that 😂😂😂
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