@scottlegros2616 no problem! most TH-camrs don't like to provide a written Build because it affects the view time on their videos & they might do TH-cam as a living, but I'm not too worried about that right now as I'm still very small. for now I'm just enjoying making builds & trying to improve as well as having some great conversations in the comments. thanks so much for watching!
Thanks for doing these. And thank you for written tl;dw version. Glad to see this magnificent game is still alive. Hope you'll keep doing more builds. If you accept requests please do some wicked, unorthodox stuff for Lann. I'm trying to build him somewhat different than archer/pet build but to no avail.
@SSangsen I can try to figure something out for sure! someone requested a Paladin build so I could work on Lanns as well during that. thank you so much for watching, means a lot!
Subscribed and liked. Badly need some updated companion builds as most of the stuff i find is outdated after patches etc. Cant wait to see a good Sosiel build! That's always been the trickiest companion to get right for my party. The only thing I would add to your vid is a quick "how to/gameplay" insight on how to use that build in the best way . Most other youtubers are giving some extra context on how they buff, what that build can achieve etc. Otherwise really Good job mate.
@axeldrane I can definitely work on a Sosiel build! would you prefer a thematic Sosiel build as a full Cleric, or are you looking for one with dips? honestly you're right that'd be a great thing to add & will definitely be in my future videos! I have checked out other build videos & I must have forgot they usually show the optimal way to use the class. maybe at some point I could even make a guide for buffs/spells I like to run in pretty much all of my parties. thanks for all the feedback/advice & for watching!
@@actuallyviz I'm never really sure about focusing him as a healer or dispeller as both are important and I don't use Daeran...my MC is a DW dps spawn slayer with regill for melee, camelia for tanking (im totally respeccing her to YOUR build today haha) , amber (i use CrpgBro's build with command-halt) , wenduag DW throwing axe and Sosiel. If there's dips that synergize well, I'm sure you'll come up with something cool. Though from what i understand ,too many dips will nerf the caster level so i tried to keep him pure cleric to keep good spell pen etc. I don't have the best grasp of the game's complex mechanics so builds like yours are really making a difference to enjoy the game and get more viable options for companions etc., so thanks for the effort :)
@axeldrane that's a cool party comp! I also don't usually use Daeran but I did a couple of Evil runs & actually made him into the new Inciter Skald, that was a pretty fun build. yeah cRPG Bro makes some high quality builds & definitely knows a bit more about the game than me, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can! I'll have to check next time I'm on Pathfinder if Cleric has a good capstone, if not there might be 2-3 levels that could be dipped. of course Cleric is very strong to, in my opinion you can't really go wrong with Sosiel.
@@actuallyviz he does good work too, but you definitely sold me on not wanting to add pets...his earlier builds esp have the tendency to turn the game into medieval pokemon. :D Hope your channel grows and looing forward to your future builds and vids!
@aggrototem5259 I can do that, I have a main character build coming out but after that I have 2-3 companion builds I'm working on! & no problem, thank you for watching.
Yes! All the builds are old and i wonder if there are not better ones since there have been many patches since. For all companions please! Outside the box builds, even just mention ideas. Ignore the haters. Keep doing your thing my guy
@@actuallyviz Yes, all those. I feel like you can make them all viable if you lean in to what the devs were going for with the pre leveling. But building them to shape a specific MC or theme of a team, thats where i think it gets super interesting. Im currently using your camellia AC tank build. I like it alot. Every build i seen with her was almost the same, damage build. What about if my MC is the damage and i need some tanky utility? BTW whats a good build for sosiel that you know of? He's alright i guess as a cleric, been trying to make him work with stalwart defender. Not sure how it will go. Daeren, Wendu and sohei seelah? Sounds good to me!!!
@@rhyspelikan Stalwart defender I've never really experimented with but that sounds like a very cool build! Cleric is very strong but if you wanted to go something else, I would say Inquisitor & Warpriest would fit him best thematically. Both also have new archetype options added by the new DLC, though I'm not sure if they're very strong. Ranger & Monk are also options if you aren't worried about that, if you were going to go Ranger you would probably want to go Sable Company Marine & go Melee instead of Ranged since he has has very bad Dexterity.
@@rossjackson8259 using Woljif at the moment in my current playthrough so should be easy to do! I will try to do Drunken Master in the future, as I have a couple other Merc builds I'm working on & they take me a decent amount of time.
Crane Wing: "When fighting defensively with at least one hand free..." This should not work when you are holding a rapier and a shield as you do not have a free hand. The extra effect of Crane Riposte working off of Crane Wing triggering should also not be happening.
@henrychurch6062 It was working in my last playthrough. if it was changed or you don't feel like using it because it's bugged, just pick up some offensive perks instead. you'll realistically only lose a small amount of AC which shouldn't be noticeable. I forgot about how those perks functioned, I prefer not to abuse bugs personally so I appreciate you letting me know. updated the pinned Written build to let people know. thanks for watching!
It should be noted, the spell turning ability very annoyingly reflects friendly spells. Unless you are entirely self buffing (not likely on a tank), its a very irritating. As a dex based character, if you are funnelling the very best gear, the last azlanti belt has the spell reflect, but only for hostile spells.
@notalefty999 true that, not sure if I mentioned it in this build or not but I've learned to unequip the mask before buffing. most buffs last a decent amount of time to where you don't have to to do this constantly. the belt though would be a great option, then the mask could be replaced with something such as Broken Trickster.
Finished my Demon run with Camellia as a tank. Act 3 was a breeze, the trouble started during Midnight Fane and later in Alushinyrra. CamCam was vulnerable to enemy spells and those pesky Mariliths (they got many attacks/round and sometimes they hit, and when they do they hit hard). Act 5 was alright. Overall good build. But the inability to cast Protective Luck on herself made a difference. My MC had something about 20AC lower than Cam, but he had protective luck and overall was better in tanking. On the other hand Camellia was not only the tank but also buffer and some help with divine spells. I haven't tried it, this is my pure theorycrafting and probably wrong one, but going Instinctual Warrior instead of Tower Shield Fighter could be better overall.
@SSangsen I could definitely see Instinctual Warrior being better. If I remember correctly a bigger youtuber already did that build, so I didn't want to copy it.
@@actuallyviz shit I forgot about that build. Anyway, Camellia was very helpful in my run, was she not? Now it's time to let her rest, if you know what I mean ;)
Thx for this up to date build. I'm looking forward to more companion builds in the near future. I have the feeling that the guides from the big WotR TH-camrs are outdated. Is it possible to build Cam as a damage dealer? I already have Seelah as my tank. This is my 1st playthrough and I don't know if having two tanks (plus Seelah's horse as bulwark) is overkill. I'm playing on core.
yeah it's definitely possible, you can even go a full 20 levels in Spirt Hunter. Dual Wield Rapiers & instead of defensive feats, take dual wielding & other offensive perks. there's some good Camellia DPS TH-cam videos out there & some of them are probably still fairly accurate besides maybe a level or 2, as not too many things have changed besides Shatter Defenses & the Mythic Armor Focuses. you can even get a pet later if that's your jam. thanks for the compliment & hope to see you in future videos!
I used to run a lot of pets, but they can trivialize the game very easily & can make or break some builds. if requested though I can definitely do some pet builds, maybe some ones other than Dog, Wolf & Horse as those have been done a lot. I appreciate the compliment, I also hadn't thought of it until recently!
How are you getting all these non-stacking armor bonuses to stack? It even says right in the tooltips that they don't. Like at 8:37 when both bracers your showing explicitly say that they don't stack with mage armor. what am i missing?
@@Zesty32 with how many bugs they've been fixing lately, it almost makes me wonder if they just worded things wrong or they actually intended for certain things to stack. I think I mentioned in the build that it could be a bug though lmao.
@LB7-l6z maybe! I wouldn't be surprised lol. either way you can still achieve very high ac, so it shouldn't change too much. if anything you could make up for it with offensive feats.
@sackara I was asked to do a dedicated tank build, so I wanted to see what AC I could achieve. even though I play Hard, I still try to make my builds as close to Unfair viable as possible for others.
@SerVopros since we are wearing Mithral, it counts as Medium instead of Heavy armor for the Mythic Armor feats. so we can achieve much higher AC than any Medium Armor. sorry if I didn't explain that well enough in the build, thanks for watching!
I didn't check that! it might be that you can spec into it once her alignment is revealed, if that's the case it might be a bit too late of a dip. If not though that could definitely be viable. I wasn't really going with a thematic build with this one as I feel like that would just be a full 20 levels into Spirit Hunter, which has been done a lot before.
@@actuallyvizyou can spec into it right away, but for an armoured camelia maybe not worth it. Go down to monk and click on it even though it shows you can’t take it. Drunken master is viable underneath.
appreciate the feedback! while I agree it is weakest early game, Camellia in general is weak early game even going the DPS route. although I don't agree it's a bad build, as I used it to clear 2 separate Hard playthroughs recently, it's still nice to see other people's opinions & I like to have conversations like these!
Written Guide:
Levels 2-20
2: Hex: Evil Eye
3: Combat Reflexes
4: Hex: Chant
5: Armor Focus: Medium Armor Focus
6: Dead Level
7: Outflank
8: Hex: Ice Plant
9: Dodge
10: Hex: Battle Master & Weapon Specialization: Rapier
11: Improved Unarmed Strike
12: Secret: Metamagic Heighten
13: Crane Style
14: Dead Level
15: Crane Wing (Might be bugged along with Crane Riposte, take offensive feats instead if you don't want to use bugs)
16: Hex: Battle Ward & Greater Weapon Focus: Rapier
17: Tower Shield Specialist: Skill Focus: Knowledge World/Arcana & Improved Initiative
18: Loremaster: Wizard Spell: Mage Armor
19: Tower Shield Specialist: Shield Focus & Crane Riposte
20: Tower Shield Specialist: Armor Training & Tower Shield Training
Mythic Levels
Mythic 1: Last Stand
Mythic 2: Armor Focus Medium: Endurance
Mythic 3: Ever Ready
Mythic 4: Weapon Finesse
Mythic 5: Second Spirit: Waves or Nature
Mythic 6: Dodge
Mythic 7: Archmage Armor
Mythic 8: Improved Initiative or Weapon Specialization
Mythic 9: Enduring Spells
Mythic 10: Shield Focus or Tower Shield: Fortress or whatever you didn't take at Mythic 8
Gear
Helmet: Helmet of Comradery
Face: Razmir's Mask or Broken Trickster
Cloak: Cloak of Reflections or highest Resistance Cloak you can find
Rings: Ring of Triumphant Advance, Icy Protector
Bracers: Bracers of Slaughter or Highest AC you can find
Amulet: Heartstone of the Night Hag Queen or Voracious Spirit
Armor: Full Plate of Spell Nullify
Shirt: Apprentice Robe or Cloth of Heavy Fortification
Belt: Lizard Tail
Gloves: Hammer Fists or Embroidered Gloves
Boots: Ronneck's Sacrifice
Weapons: Translucent Needle of Astonishment or Interceptor
Shield: Shield of Chastise
Quickslots: Lucky Dice
Good stuff my guy, love the format and that you've included a written guide as well. Keep doing the thing!
Thank you for an updated build! Also, thank you for the pinned guide for the breakdown of the build!!!
@scottlegros2616 no problem! most TH-camrs don't like to provide a written Build because it affects the view time on their videos & they might do TH-cam as a living, but I'm not too worried about that right now as I'm still very small. for now I'm just enjoying making builds & trying to improve as well as having some great conversations in the comments. thanks so much for watching!
So happy to see you do more builds! I really enjoy your style of video! Keep it up dude
@michaelgreene4822 thanks so much man! glad that you're still watching.
Glad I found your videos! Been craving some good WoTR builds. Awesome work!
@SpookyGman appreciate that, glad you found my videos as well. thanks for watching!
Thanks for the guide my dude, the first minutes reminded me of how much I despise the term "pajama tanking" lmao
Thank you for the updated builld! It's so hard finding updated ones...
@@nickgantuss no problem! I should have another updated Companion build in the next few days.
Thanks for doing these. And thank you for written tl;dw version. Glad to see this magnificent game is still alive. Hope you'll keep doing more builds. If you accept requests please do some wicked, unorthodox stuff for Lann. I'm trying to build him somewhat different than archer/pet build but to no avail.
@SSangsen I can try to figure something out for sure! someone requested a Paladin build so I could work on Lanns as well during that. thank you so much for watching, means a lot!
Subscribed and liked. Badly need some updated companion builds as most of the stuff i find is outdated after patches etc. Cant wait to see a good Sosiel build! That's always been the trickiest companion to get right for my party. The only thing I would add to your vid is a quick "how to/gameplay" insight on how to use that build in the best way . Most other youtubers are giving some extra context on how they buff, what that build can achieve etc. Otherwise really Good job mate.
@axeldrane I can definitely work on a Sosiel build! would you prefer a thematic Sosiel build as a full Cleric, or are you looking for one with dips? honestly you're right that'd be a great thing to add & will definitely be in my future videos! I have checked out other build videos & I must have forgot they usually show the optimal way to use the class. maybe at some point I could even make a guide for buffs/spells I like to run in pretty much all of my parties. thanks for all the feedback/advice & for watching!
@@actuallyviz I'm never really sure about focusing him as a healer or dispeller as both are important and I don't use Daeran...my MC is a DW dps spawn slayer with regill for melee, camelia for tanking (im totally respeccing her to YOUR build today haha) , amber (i use CrpgBro's build with command-halt) , wenduag DW throwing axe and Sosiel. If there's dips that synergize well, I'm sure you'll come up with something cool. Though from what i understand ,too many dips will nerf the caster level so i tried to keep him pure cleric to keep good spell pen etc. I don't have the best grasp of the game's complex mechanics so builds like yours are really making a difference to enjoy the game and get more viable options for companions etc., so thanks for the effort :)
@axeldrane that's a cool party comp! I also don't usually use Daeran but I did a couple of Evil runs & actually made him into the new Inciter Skald, that was a pretty fun build. yeah cRPG Bro makes some high quality builds & definitely knows a bit more about the game than me, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can! I'll have to check next time I'm on Pathfinder if Cleric has a good capstone, if not there might be 2-3 levels that could be dipped. of course Cleric is very strong to, in my opinion you can't really go wrong with Sosiel.
@@actuallyviz he does good work too, but you definitely sold me on not wanting to add pets...his earlier builds esp have the tendency to turn the game into medieval pokemon. :D Hope your channel grows and looing forward to your future builds and vids!
Good video bro, keep them coming!
aye thanks bro! actually rendering my newest video now, should be out within the next hour.
I would dig more hard-viable companion builds :) Thanks for the video!
@aggrototem5259 I can do that, I have a main character build coming out but after that I have 2-3 companion builds I'm working on! & no problem, thank you for watching.
Nice build, thanks for posting!
@jeremym1647 thanks for the kind words!
Yes! All the builds are old and i wonder if there are not better ones since there have been many patches since. For all companions please! Outside the box builds, even just mention ideas. Ignore the haters. Keep doing your thing my guy
@@rhyspelikan appreciate it! is there any companion build in specific you'd like to see? I'm currently working on Daeran, Wendaug, & a Sohei Seelah.
@@actuallyviz Yes, all those. I feel like you can make them all viable if you lean in to what the devs were going for with the pre leveling. But building them to shape a specific MC or theme of a team, thats where i think it gets super interesting. Im currently using your camellia AC tank build. I like it alot. Every build i seen with her was almost the same, damage build. What about if my MC is the damage and i need some tanky utility?
BTW whats a good build for sosiel that you know of? He's alright i guess as a cleric, been trying to make him work with stalwart defender. Not sure how it will go.
Daeren, Wendu and sohei seelah? Sounds good to me!!!
@@rhyspelikan Stalwart defender I've never really experimented with but that sounds like a very cool build! Cleric is very strong but if you wanted to go something else, I would say Inquisitor & Warpriest would fit him best thematically. Both also have new archetype options added by the new DLC, though I'm not sure if they're very strong. Ranger & Monk are also options if you aren't worried about that, if you were going to go Ranger you would probably want to go Sable Company Marine & go Melee instead of Ranged since he has has very bad Dexterity.
Woljif.. and you know a few mercenary builds like drunken monk would be fun
@@rossjackson8259 using Woljif at the moment in my current playthrough so should be easy to do! I will try to do Drunken Master in the future, as I have a couple other Merc builds I'm working on & they take me a decent amount of time.
nice
Crane Wing: "When fighting defensively with at least one hand free..."
This should not work when you are holding a rapier and a shield as you do not have a free hand.
The extra effect of Crane Riposte working off of Crane Wing triggering should also not be happening.
@henrychurch6062 It was working in my last playthrough. if it was changed or you don't feel like using it because it's bugged, just pick up some offensive perks instead. you'll realistically only lose a small amount of AC which shouldn't be noticeable. I forgot about how those perks functioned, I prefer not to abuse bugs personally so I appreciate you letting me know. updated the pinned Written build to let people know. thanks for watching!
+1 You are absoulutle rigth, dude. This is not work with any shield
@Escanyord yeah I made a mistake there, edited the written Build so hopefully that will help.
It should be noted, the spell turning ability very annoyingly reflects friendly spells. Unless you are entirely self buffing (not likely on a tank), its a very irritating. As a dex based character, if you are funnelling the very best gear, the last azlanti belt has the spell reflect, but only for hostile spells.
@notalefty999 true that, not sure if I mentioned it in this build or not but I've learned to unequip the mask before buffing. most buffs last a decent amount of time to where you don't have to to do this constantly. the belt though would be a great option, then the mask could be replaced with something such as Broken Trickster.
Nice build, thanks. Hope you will do Wenduag one 😊.
@nenadpavlovic8405 thanks for watching! I'm currently working on a few builds including Wendaug, so stay tuned.
What pet would you recommend if you go for Nature? Is Wolf still the standard?
Finished my Demon run with Camellia as a tank. Act 3 was a breeze, the trouble started during Midnight Fane and later in Alushinyrra. CamCam was vulnerable to enemy spells and those pesky Mariliths (they got many attacks/round and sometimes they hit, and when they do they hit hard). Act 5 was alright.
Overall good build. But the inability to cast Protective Luck on herself made a difference. My MC had something about 20AC lower than Cam, but he had protective luck and overall was better in tanking.
On the other hand Camellia was not only the tank but also buffer and some help with divine spells.
I haven't tried it, this is my pure theorycrafting and probably wrong one, but going Instinctual Warrior instead of Tower Shield Fighter could be better overall.
@SSangsen I could definitely see Instinctual Warrior being better. If I remember correctly a bigger youtuber already did that build, so I didn't want to copy it.
@@actuallyviz shit I forgot about that build. Anyway, Camellia was very helpful in my run, was she not? Now it's time to let her rest, if you know what I mean ;)
@SSangsen I also usually let her rest ;)
There is an alternative for mage armor. You can take wind armor from another spirit.
true I had almost forgotten about that! that probably would've been the better option then for a little extra BAB, thanks for pointing that out!
@@actuallyviz that wind armor gives 12 AC instead of 14 AC for Archemage armor, but it gives 50% chance to block any ranged attacks (rays included).
The tragedy here is that I normally end up merking her at some point because of her hobbies
not gonna lie so do I usually, I just recently did a couple of Evil runs so kept her alive this time lol
Thx for this up to date build. I'm looking forward to more companion builds in the near future. I have the feeling that the guides from the big WotR TH-camrs are outdated.
Is it possible to build Cam as a damage dealer? I already have Seelah as my tank. This is my 1st playthrough and I don't know if having two tanks (plus Seelah's horse as bulwark) is overkill. I'm playing on core.
yeah it's definitely possible, you can even go a full 20 levels in Spirt Hunter. Dual Wield Rapiers & instead of defensive feats, take dual wielding & other offensive perks. there's some good Camellia DPS TH-cam videos out there & some of them are probably still fairly accurate besides maybe a level or 2, as not too many things have changed besides Shatter Defenses & the Mythic Armor Focuses. you can even get a pet later if that's your jam. thanks for the compliment & hope to see you in future videos!
You don't like builds with pets? and very good build it never occurred to me to make camellia tower shield build
I used to run a lot of pets, but they can trivialize the game very easily & can make or break some builds. if requested though I can definitely do some pet builds, maybe some ones other than Dog, Wolf & Horse as those have been done a lot. I appreciate the compliment, I also hadn't thought of it until recently!
How are you getting all these non-stacking armor bonuses to stack? It even says right in the tooltips that they don't. Like at 8:37 when both bracers your showing explicitly say that they don't stack with mage armor.
what am i missing?
@SadCashew tbh I just tested a bunch of different pieces and noticed that they do indeed stack even though some things say they don't.
@@actuallyviz Fair enough lol
@@Zesty32 with how many bugs they've been fixing lately, it almost makes me wonder if they just worded things wrong or they actually intended for certain things to stack. I think I mentioned in the build that it could be a bug though lmao.
dont you need a free hand to make use of crane style feat ac bonus?
Do you still get the AC bonuses from the Crane Style feats when fighting with a shield?
@LB7-l6z yes it does! I was a little surprised as most Camellia tank builds have no armor or shield.
@@actuallyviz I thought that bug got fixed, maybe it was reintroduced? It wouldn't be the first time this has happened.
@LB7-l6z maybe! I wouldn't be surprised lol. either way you can still achieve very high ac, so it shouldn't change too much. if anything you could make up for it with offensive feats.
Whats the point of 110 ac if the maximum bab is somewhere around the 60-80s on hard?
@sackara I was asked to do a dedicated tank build, so I wanted to see what AC I could achieve. even though I play Hard, I still try to make my builds as close to Unfair viable as possible for others.
Excuse me, I don't understand why when choosing an expert medium armor, but we equip heavy anyway?
@SerVopros since we are wearing Mithral, it counts as Medium instead of Heavy armor for the Mythic Armor feats. so we can achieve much higher AC than any Medium Armor. sorry if I didn't explain that well enough in the build, thanks for watching!
@@actuallyviz and how is she able to use all that dex with armor?
Hello! Is there a mod that extends the effect of chant? Standing and pressing 100500 times chant is very depressing...
@Escanyord yeah look up "Bubble Buffs WoTR" it should pop up on NexusMods. I think Toybox might have a buffing feature as well. thanks for watching!
I found this!
Toybox -> bag of tricks - cheats - class specific
@Escanyord sweet if that doesn't work I found the link for the mod I was talking about! www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/195
@@actuallyviz thanks))
Iirc she can be drunken master now, but maybe that would not suit the build.
I didn't check that! it might be that you can spec into it once her alignment is revealed, if that's the case it might be a bit too late of a dip. If not though that could definitely be viable. I wasn't really going with a thematic build with this one as I feel like that would just be a full 20 levels into Spirit Hunter, which has been done a lot before.
@@actuallyvizyou can spec into it right away, but for an armoured camelia maybe not worth it. Go down to monk and click on it even though it shows you can’t take it. Drunken master is viable underneath.
@jeremym1647 oh I think that's why I missed that! I could see that working well with Instinctual Warrior for pajama tanking then.
Bad build but was a nice loot at what people come up with. Early game is the most important and this is where the build is lacking
appreciate the feedback! while I agree it is weakest early game, Camellia in general is weak early game even going the DPS route. although I don't agree it's a bad build, as I used it to clear 2 separate Hard playthroughs recently, it's still nice to see other people's opinions & I like to have conversations like these!