Brand New Boeing 737 NG FFS: From Cold and Dark to Ready for Taxiing
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- Say HI to BAA Training cadet program students Julien and Hugues! This time students are ready to demonstrate 'From Cold and Dark to Ready for Taxiing' procedure peculiarities on a new Boeing 737 NG FFS. Enjoy!
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I am an Airline Pilot flying the 737 in Europe, so I dare to say i know what im Talking about.
Sorry to say this:
The video was a nice little and small overview of some Systems on the 737 and what they are linked to and connected with, But the title is misleading as this is Not in the slightest way how to get a 737 from Cold and Dark to Ready to Taxi.
I am well aware every Airline has their own SOP's but this video has shown absolutely no logic, and as many times stated, there were just many mistakes, some of them possibly leading to very dangerous situations in real life like no Fire test before starting the APU.
BAA Training: I would suggest you change the title or make a new video, i do appreciate that this is a Great look into Aviation for People that have no Clue yet But are interested. However it doesnt take a type rated Pilot to Note the Lack of Quality this video was done with. This video could damage your reputation because maybe a soon to be flight Student will Look at this video and Spot the flaws and will then Decide to choose a different flight school.
Kind regards
I'm not a real pilot and only is a flight simmer but I can actually notice the mistakes and the title. This should be cold and dark to VFR clearance only not Taxi. Lol. They didn't show starting the engines which will provide trust in order to taxi. 😂
@@johnrellperez1565 same man
Not to state lacking english knowledge, no light settings, no engine start, and half the checklist missing when it comes to security (including, as you mentioned, the fire tests)
Johnrell Perez They requested VFR clearance but the ATC gave them a flight route... Then they proceeded to readback wrongly “cleared VFR” and the ATC said readback correct. And no, you can’t even have VFR clearance with engines off.
and...….
Where's the fire test of the APU, engines and cargo before even powering up the APU, and before connecting the APU bus, you need to verify that it's supplying the right voltage too!!
I entered here because i was fed up with the fcom and these guys forgot the most important things hahahhah so i think i will be good enough in the sim
It’s just training for a quick flight. It’s not necessarily needed for this video, as they’re just showing the start up procedure. For example, someone doing it in flight sim
Wow. Incredibly disappointing. I can’t believe you teach the pilots of today if your training is is like this. Here is a few faults.
- Aligning the IRS without AC power.
- Not doing the APU fire test before starting it.
- Entering the WHOLE ROUTE in the FMC without AC power.
- When doing the walk around, electric hydraulic pumps need to be on to check for leaks.
- Called Gatwick on the Flight Intercom? You didn’t select VHF1.
Here is just a few. This makes your training program look incredibly bad.
lol thank for the heads ups
Captain Jean-Luc Picard yep, could have a bit of realism though.
Theyre not training anyone. Just showing off the companys new full motion sim read the title arm chair captain.
Jack Mackey never said they were training anyone, but they could put a bit of realism into what they are doing. They are showing a procedure that those pilots have been taught to do a flow somewhat like this. This is an incredibly wrong flow, and for anyone watching they should be told to not take this seriously.
They did show a bit of realism... actually a lot. They went over the basic and most crucial things. So what if they didn’t use AC power? Most the people (if not, all) watching this video aren’t type-rated for a 737 and this flight was just a simulator. You don’t need to hate on how other people do things. Europeans have different operations you should know.... They did a good, basic job....
The tower cleared them a departure route while they requested VFR, WHAT??
Lol. Thats what I was wondering
No APU Fire Warning Test … And if you take off with this pressurisation Settings down right at the Overhead, your Passengers will fall in sleep and never wake up. ^^
Jesus, talk about two very very essential actions not taken as you just mentioned! That’s terrifying to say the least....
Top left: training
Bottom left: do not use for training
*bottom right
Yeah, showing how professional they were!
Why the procedure they doing its wrong because they dont have enogh traning the simulator its brand new its been there for a month(you can see at the video)
You had ground power available the entire time....why was it never used? In real life, if you turned on the battery and then the IRS’s and didn’t use the ground power or APU, and continued entering the route etc, you’d have a VERY loud alarm start sounding......this would cause cabin crew to ask if they should get off the aircraft and ground crew to start looking up at you in case they should leave the aircraft etc
Not blaming the guys as they’re doing what they’ve been taught, but it does go to show the BAA aren’t training correctly.
Oh my god it gets worse......you didn’t do a fire protection test before starting the APU......if the fire detection was faulty, you’d never know the APU was on fire until ground personnel start running away.
They didn't mention the ground power but that doesn't mean that it wasn't on. The ground power switch has a guard on it so we can't see if it was on or not but since all the lights came on when the battery switch was turned on it most likely was being used but we can't see it and be sure about it.
About the fire test, I agree with you and BAA isn't showing that it is the best since most pilots barely speak english. I think it will be hard for these pilots to join a european airline at least.
Andrew Can the ground power switch doesn’t have a guard around it......and you can tell it was left off because A) he didn’t touch it and B) The FO’s displays didn’t come on until after the APU was turned on the the APU was brought into the buses.
Cool. I fly the 737NG on my flight simulator and soon I am going to fly for Southwest. I’ve noticed that most pilots in Europe don’t use ground power rather they start the APU upon startup
That's extremely inaccurate. This whole video is, really. Most airports over here have an APU usage restriction of 5 minutes after arrival and 5 minutes before departure, so that alone renders using the APU instead of ground power impossible, not to mention the cost of running the APU for that long compared to the GPU. I've spoken to a few pilots working for Ryanair, the APU is turned on pretty much only when it's needed, so for the pushback and taxi in, really, and even then it's limited as much as it can be, for example, the APU's only started around the time the pilots think it'll come online just as they come onto the stand. Wish you the best of luck with Southwest!
Could you guys make a video about the flight simulator itself? I'd like to see the controls, how you program in a scenario, how the hydraulics work, things like that. Is there a separate control room? All the behind the scenes stuff absolutely fascinates me :)
The simulator controller/instructor sits behind the captain with a panel facing toward the port side...usually quite a way back.
Relax , This video for xplane sim only
I thought after initiating the IRS alignment you would have shown us the status on the IRS panel
fire protection continuous check should be C\O before starting APU !
To feed the APU with fuel they used the left AFT pump, I thought it was recommended to use the left FWD fuel pump as it is less costly to maintain ??
Can use either (including left centre tank) - makes sense when you look at the fuel system schematic. Using AC pumps is to reduce wear on the APU DC fuel pump (which I *think* is integrated).
This is probably their 1st week on the program and BAA just let them have some fun in the cockpit and act smart XD
*im a sim 737 pilot and been flying for just over 1 year very actively and realistically, yea these lads have more to learn i see*
Late reply, but same. I’m flying on FSX a payware 737 and I hate to say that I know more of the procedures than these guys do.
Don't forget lads DON'T USE THIS FOR TRAINING PURPOSES, it's quite flawed
For example they only turned on one fuel pump, and didn't turn on the elec hydraulics in order that the pilot monitoring doing the walk around can check for leaks.
@@henryrugg4971 there's tons of examples. That also the ATC clearance said no squak then gave them a squak and if they were in egkk vfr they shouldn't have been given an sid, if should have been a vrp and many more
It s a video made by students not rated or licence holders mainly motivated by the opportunity to fly on the ffs and have a bit of fun aside of the shooting ;)
It is not "flawed" - it is meant to give people who are considering going to BAA a glimpse of what to expect. That's why the pilots are cadets. It is not meant to be a definitive statement on how to start a 737. It's just there to show people who are considering becoming airline pilots what sort of thing the training involves. It says in the bottom right corner, DO NOT USE FOR TRAINING PURPOSES.
@@jamesodowd4063 See my comment below
There is no APU fire test in procedure??
A training video that cannot be used for training. Right...
Interesting to see that most of the Armchair Pilots in this comment section are so triggered over an APU fire test... like I know it’s the SOP and standard procedure, but my god if anything you’re more likely to lose an engine mid-flight than have the APU fire warning light not illuminate. But again, I know it’s still part of procedures.
no checklists?
During takeoff, landing and the whole flight the yaw damper is on?
And what is it purpose?
Providing dutch roll protection, gust damping and automatic turn coordination. You dont need to touch the rudder pedals at all in flight unless you have an engine failure or you want to decrab just prior to touchdown.
the first thing pilots do in a cold and dark is turning the battery on, then position light to on, and then turn on the GPU if available, but starting the apu with a gpu available, without doing the fire test for the apu, and turning the position lights late when its supossed to be on when crew is onboard.... please BAA, call Mr Pranas Drulis hahaha
Position lights should be turned on once the crew is on board, correct!
Not very accurate, position lights are turned on indicating the aircraft is receiving A/C power.
control + e should do it all
LOOL
Ome thing to remember all of the buttons, switches, and dials....then to program the settings into the Automatic Piolet System (APS), but to also remember how to contact ground control, and what to respond to them, and remember what they say.....oh for sure the team should get paid well 😊
They didn't perform the engine fire arm test
let it cold and dark for couple of years
There's another one story from life. Just today... It was typical flying at a320 FFS. But. They were first time inside a320's cockpit. Captain was PM (PNF). FO was PF
- PF: LANDING check list, please
- PM: Ok. One second. LANDING check list. CABIN CREW - ADVISED
- PF: CHECKED
PM looks at next line of checklist...
- PM: erm... Aaaa... thhhhh.... rrrr....
- PM: Say, how do you read this?
O_o
He made my day =)))))
Wow, mistake after mistake..... I really hope I never fly with anyone trained by BAA Training. How can such a training company even release such a video with mistakes in it? Are you purposely trying to get a bad name for yourselves by showing your training is flawed, dangerous and inadequate. Of course properly trained pilots are going to watch your videos and point out all the issues. God help future pilots and the passengers they will be carrying if your training is as bad as this!!
What about Bus transfer?
And destination radii from tower to tower a how to demonstration. Thanks guys since 2010 women fly in AirMan school.
Sorry to be reading so many negative and rude comments from so many "Know-it-Alls" below :-( If you haven't noticed, these young men are wearing TWO stripes, not three or even four (!!), suggesting that these people are STUDENT pilots. Students are entitled to make mistakes. For this reason, they obviously train in the sim. Nice to know that so many of you below are sooo much better, but you all started off somewhere and made your mistakes, too. So please be more tolerant with a bit of empathy and, if the critisism is negative, then it should at least be positive so these guys can learn from it. P.S. --- furthermore, these two young men said loud and clear, that they deliberately omitted certain check procedures, since they were in a sim. Listening and reading the video description would have helped before exercising negativity here...
no fire test....?
nice
Why you guys make it not by book? I think we have FCOM and its all there, please make it comply with the book
some things wrong here
1 no apu fire test
2 ground power was available and wasn't tunred on
3 turning on irs without ac power
4 didn't show engine start
5 didn't turn on apu bleed
6 didn;t switch on packs
7 didn't turn on ac power
That flick past the align was too quick, so was the APU start, give it at least 1 second
Hey.. looks like we have new bro.
But where's pranas, i know he's already graduated, please bring him back for another tutorial, if he does has time for us.
I miss him so much
Is the co-pilot new in the stream?
This is a better than other Strt-ups from C&D in some ways (you mention the Alt Flps. & Wprs.), but pardon my ignorance; why didn't you mention the AC & DC Pwr. settings after Bat On. Am I wrong here?
I'm not a pilot but I can spot one big flaw in this video. In order to taxiing with a Boeing 737 you need to start both engines. You only started the Auxiliary power unit that provide electricity and air pressure to start the left and right engine.
What kind of mess is this? Why aren't you using ground power? The stinger is plugged in and the aircraft is obviously detecting A/C power. Your flow is all wrong. You haven't even performed an APU fire check yet you turned it on? Y'all need to hit the books again, this is NOT how it's done.
Sorry, for my question (and my English)! I didn't very well understand some things from FCOM. But i would like to understand it. I noticed into the movie that your fuel quantity in the
center tank exceeds 453 kgs. (Center Fuel Quantity Indication indicates about 2000kg). I thought.... If fuel is loaded in the center tank, position the left center
tank fuel pump switch ON to prevent a fuel imbalance
before takeoff. What is my mistake?
Nice been waited so long
I didn't really want to write anything. But what the hell is it? Mistake by mistake going progressively. If I ain't mistaken BAA has TRI and it does provide the type rating program on a 737. So one question-before shooting this video, what about ask some questions and get the answers how to do it properly? But not like you did it. Unfortunately I've joined haters army.
They are just two spoiled brats playing with a toy, like two other hotshots in a video with a nice "737 runaway stabilizer procedure" clickbait title, who jumped the gun by using the trim cutoffs, without any prior diagnose or memory items call, and jumping in one another's area of responsibility, so i don't know what to say about that haters army...
Why would you check if the gear is down? If you're on the ramp safely then the gear should be down
The gear as you well said, can not be up on the ground because of the weight that the wheels are holding. But if you don't check that its down when the aircraft takes off the gear will instantly go up, possibly damaging the plane especially at it is tail.
@@andreascaniaris5173 ight gotchu
Thanks God I didn't choose BAA training
Um what? Bleed control? pushback, Engine start 2/1? Not going anywhere with just the APU running unless you have one hell of an APU :)
Brand New Boeing 737 NG FFS
Please. Would you give me an answer of my question below it. I would want it too much.
When you buy Pranas on Wish:
I want my Pranas back plz
All wrong, check you chechklist.
ON DC... tragic.
Ummm don't the engines need to be started for it to be ready to taxi? 😆
First connect an AC power source then tell us what you are doing.
Ma man robert pattinson become a pilot bruh 1:39
Yall look like yall aint got no clue what u been doin
Nice simulator.. But I hope this video isnt for training purposes..
Hugues' instagram?
french spotted 😂🤣
737 pilot fly's A320 PLEAAASEEEE
do u want to watch the A320 cold and dark
All the professional pilots down in the comments gotta be way too grumpy all the time! The two pilots just wanted to show an overall procedure and didn't do it step by step or completely. These guys really put effort in what they do. You should really appreciate one's work more!
By the time pilots taxi out on the 737, they must really be drained.
brand new boeing 737 ng for fucks sake
They were showing how to start up a 737 . And as they said, they didn’t do the checks needed in real life. If you guys listen to the video, you would understand why they did not do the checks etc...
You Would never qnh one thousand, What the hell Is That?!
mattia merci saying one thousand for the QNH is perfectly fine, but for all QNH’s 1000 or below, it should include hectopascals after the figure, so “QNH one thousand hectopascals”
Wow dat beard
Why do everybody so negative about the video? Yeah I know they didn’t do the tests etc... but as you see in the right bottom corner this video is not supposed to be for flight training!
Yes, this video shouldn't be used for training purposes, but then again, if you don't do it right, why do it at all? I was expecting maybe not the full by-the-book procedure, but something a little bit more professional. This looks like two spoiled brats bragging about the toy they get to play with.
That shows all the right things the wrong way, It should not be used for flight training.
Take this video down. It is poor relative to seeing the buttons involved.
I have learned more on MSFS videos. This is shockingly bad!
para-meteres
give me back my pranas
Grosse catastrophe!... and what about the bleed système? Go to sleep pilots of sunday mouahaha....
Wrong fuel pump. Maintenance does this all the time. Are you typed on the 737?
Looks like you basically just commandeered a sim.
IRS alignment does not depend on OAT or internal temp. It depends on latitude. Lasts up to 17 mins
For the irs it depends on the latitude more Than temperature.
Does it even depend upon the temperature? I was so confused when I heard him say that.
@@doyoulikedags3534 the irs itself doesn't need temperature input. In theory, it only needs the initial position as input, but it can be enhanced by giving it the GPS position, barometric altitude and the true airspeed. Total air temperature input could be used for the Air Data Computer.
No fire test before starting the APU?!
What if you are in a rush?!
if I was a student pilot I would refuse to make a video with incomplete/flawed procedures
@@CraZy291 yeah but what about the zombies... You have to take off as soon as possible
It is part of procedures, but it’s not really as huge of a mistake as you may think. I think you have a higher chance of an engine failure than the APU fire light not illuminating from a fault. But yes, they still should have done it.
The Comedy Pilot The test isn’t about seeing if the light bulb is good. It tests the system to be sure you’ll be alerted if a fire were to happen. The bulb might be good, but the rest of the system not.
No squak required ? and then he saves it by giving squak aha God vid
You still need to start up the engines sir to be ready for taxiing :D
I am an aircraft mechanic 737 taxi run qualified. They totally skipped over the fire test warning and squib checks for the the APU and engine fire bottles before they started the APU. When I go in the flight deck before I even turn on the battery I make sure electric hydraulic pumps are OFF, gear handle down, flaps in same position as noted in walk around. I am only a mechanic, not a pilot .Makes me wonder about training
what about fire test before APU start up 😳
Can't wait to watch the taxi at an N1 of 0!
Yeah taxi clearance with no engine start...
I have seen ur a320 video which was uploaded 7 years ago on an old a320 n also old 737..u guys updated 737.hopwe u also do a new video on new a320
.plwase
After turning on dc power you would have turned ground power on, an alarm would have sounded
No fire test before starting the APU???
What was that...? the whole thing was confusing, what about GPU? The aircraft was on the GPU all the time, but you went on the internal supply, and only after connected APU. The guy on the right clearly didn't understand what was happening, as his monitors stayed dark ... I am wondering are those guys are really on Type rating course or are they on MCC course with some hours of MF Flight sim.?
ATPL students just going through the groundschool
I get it training and class together makes a difference so for educational not learning for learning report to the airfeild and find a CO pilot to go with the papers trying to obtain Liscensing and insurance. I have not broken the rule.
The title is very misleading and many steps and safety tests were skipped. #1 ALWAYS use a checklist. Can be found the aircraft's FCOM.
Jesus, this video put me off BAA for my training. Bloke can hardly speak English, and this is not the correct procedure.
Sorry to say that this thing is not going to give any kind of confidence of a safe flight!!!
English Language Proficiency Level 6?
I thought it took only around 10 minutes for the ILS to align
NO fire check before APU startup? if these two dudes are flying I am not Going!
This video will be a lot better if you guys were not looking backwards at the camera.
are u trying to be an airline pilot?
Alignment time of the IRSs depending on temperature ???🙄😳😳🤦♂️ this guy needs additional training..
I am a B 737NG/MAX pilot and I have never heard of a IRS alignment based on temperature. Nor that it takes 30mins.
The whole procure with radio and box 1 and vox 2
*IRS
RTFM suckers~!!
0:40
(1) Battery
NICE VIDEO
Terrible. Literally terrible. I'm 13 years old and I know more than these guys. How the hell is this "Ready for taxi"??? You CANNOT taxi without engine power! And whats with the GPU? There must be over a million mistakes in this video. If I become a pilot I do hope I don't have to fly with anyone who goes there.