I really couldnt ask for more, thanks for leveraging me, thanks for being a good student, thanks for alle the comments of everyone. And get your shots ready for the drinking game :D Sacrificing something to be faster elsewhere is a common thing. The more the corners are connected, the more this is true. Suzuka anyone? :)
Thanks for sharing your techniques and simracing enthusiasm with us Nils! Really appreciate it. In this video you opened up my eyes to re-watch my laps from a neutral stand point. This will help me even more.
@Nils Naujoks Thank YOU for this absolute golden insight. Sooo many of the community need to see this. You're explanations and data analysis are just fantastic.
Thanks so much for sharing your insight Nils. Is Motec data export from the regular PC version of ACC or are additional plug-ins needed? I'm a console sim racer (Gran Turismo Sport) but thinking I might have to build up a PC setup. On Gran Turismo Sport we just have a delta time and ghosts, so analysis is harder.
I had the same opportunity few weeks ago and Nils provided me with so much insight about all my bad habits, I would never be able to find myself without comparing the data with his lap and go through the reasoning behind all the delta. We actually skipped the video part and focused on the MoTec. For sure one of the very best time I had in my short life with sim-racing and eager for the next session. As you can see from the video, Nils has such a great personality, which is the priceless part of the whole experience.
Glad you think so! I've been wanting to do this for a while. As someone who is fairly quick, but not on the alien level, it's great to be able to see where the differences lie!
Always tough when another man tells you that "you look inecure on entry".... Jokes aside, this was a really interesting video, keep up the great work Chris!
Whilst the advice is spot on, I feel like "over-slowing", "leaving speed on the table" then compensating with half-throttle is just how we mere mortals navigate corners we couldn't for the life of us figure out!
This is GREAT! Now I can actually understand all those squiggly lines w/ a bit of intelligence :) Also the way he explained everything I think I now could improve my times even w/o directly comparing them to a faster driver :)
Heh, yeah very much so. As someone that thought he had a decent idea about how it all works, there was still so much to learn. Very much felt like a kid in school again!
Chris Haye. Vid idea: ~ “Am I spending too much time/$ on sim racing?” I wrote a more detailed example of how I’d do it on your “How to start sim racing as cheap as possible” vid.
Fantastically interesting and very educational. Nils seems a very likeable teacher, even while pulling your lap to pieces. I'm glad he helped you build an even better lap afterward, and thanks for being willing to show us the process.
Awesome video, thanks Chris. I find all this data mind-boggling ... In my imperfect sim-racing world, I tend to implement such info in a cognitive, linear fashion, whereas Nils assimilates this instinctively... a big difference! I can see great value in a coaching session with Nils in order to UNDERSTAND what is actually happening in each moment. Of course, 12 year-old sim racing equipment does not help much, but I can certainly be much faster with professional help.
honestly seeing the breakdown of the lap was amazing. First time really looking at the data that is offered by ACC but damn it's so clear where the improvements are. Super good explanation as well. Thank you for the vid bud
really good video! I always wondered why I was consistently around 1 second slower than the really quick guys but it are things like these that slow me down. I'm gonna start analysing my laps a lot more now
Glad you liked it! I had the same experience. I'm able to win public lobby races, and hold my own in leagues, but when it comes to keeping up with the aliens, I couldn't find the mistakes myself. Definitely useful!
I also have been braking too hard too soon (as my best lap was always one or half a second behind the best and keeping on throttle like that also to get to the acceleration point , very helpful as I knew I was braking too hard too early but this confirmed it for me .....cheers
I do those things instinctively after 10K laps per year. If you can do those things in your sleep you can then focus on battling. There's no way I could explain it as well as Nils. I'd have to make coaching my new hobby and work hard on communicating whats being done efficiently. Very well done!
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a lot of useful info in there. Even stuff that I knew conceptually, but hadn't really realised I wasn't quite doing right once I was in the car.
Thank you very much for this, very good explanations for everything, I think this helped me very much understanding my own mistakes and reasons for why and where I loose time on every lap
Really interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. I've always got the idea of sacrificing one corner for another but never really thought about how my exit of T3 could be started at entry of T1
Definitely an eye opener. Being slow is more about viewing the track incorrectly. Hopefully I can enter some respectable midfield times with this information. 🤞
@@SimracingPopometer I actually just put in a particularly fast (for me) session at Brands Hatch. Average was probably around mid 1:27s. Best was a low 1:26. My biggest road block was my attitude towards any time I went off. I would call BS on the physics 😂😂😂 it just gets so frustrating. Now I am totally accepting of mistakes and can deal with my inconsistencies in a more analytical way.
Really informative, interesting video. I'd definitely benefit from something like this, as I know I'm slow in places for sure. I'm going to be using the different views to review my laps for sure! Thanks for creating this.
Very interesting video. I was comparing what Nils said to Driver 61. Nils seemed to want more weight to be over the front wheels on corner entry to help turn in whereas Driver 61 seems to think it's better to have a more stable platform and less pitching forward ( at least that was my take on it). So seems like different advice. In fact I think Driver 61 said for some corners it was best to brake earlier and lighter and keep the car from pitching forward. Now I may not be representing or understanding what both coaches are saying but seems a different approach. Would it not also depend on the handling characteristics of the car? I only use a console but with Project Cars 2 I find the Mercedes has understeer tendency and Nils approach would maybe help rotation. The other thing I find difficult is coming off the brake pedal gently, trail braking , as I have to use alot of force on the pedals to get the car stopped and there isn't alot of pedal travel on my brakes. Bit long winded ( by me!) but found your video very interesting, well done.
Sadly cant compare real life to games in every detail and especially cant compare between games. usually, you only want a stable speed through very high speed corners where huge amounts of downforce are affecting the car and where pitching could cause major balance shifts. Additionally, some cars can, some cars cant take that better or worse
Yeh I agree. I drive more like Driver 61...........but perhaps for sim racing I need to change. My baseline is based on real track driving but perhaps this may hurt??
Depends on many variables. In this case Nils data showed the less balanced approach with later braking is faster overall because his data showed it. Ordinarily there may not be faster data to compare oneself against 1:1 so it won't be as easy to get to the faster conclusion
This is very cool and informative!! I just got ACC and a have a lot of learning to do 🙈😂 Not to mention how to properly setup my cars. Coming from Pcars 2 i really love this game!!
Great video! I was wondering how you make the graph of time variance in MoTeC. Is there any guide out there on how to make one? Perhaps a new video idea ;)
Thanks for a great video on how to look at the replay and data to improve ones driving. I really liked the top view looking down on the car's racing line, is this done inside of ACC replay mode to get this top view. I use Assetto Corsa at this time, is it possible to get a top view replay in Assetto Corsa ?
I‘m just wondering how you and Nils got the laps so comparable in terms of the setups of the cars. Did you use the same setup? I mean - a setup makes so much difference in terms of cornering, break behavior etc. with different breakbalance, tirepresure, differential and so on.
Aggressive Preset with slightly adjusted pressures - thats how :) Also we controlled for temperatures, track grip, time of day, etc. Apart from that setups are over-rated in that regard. The patterns visible in his driving are not a result of the setup.
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks :) But one thing about over-rated setups: Completely wrong setups make a car undriveable right? So where to draw the line between good basic setup and super finetuned setup?
100% braking and no abs intervening at all? Im having a serious issue with my setup since day 1 a year ago on ACC... Abs intervention is killing my braking no matter the car setup or abs settings, I tried re installing game and trying different wheel base firmwares to no avail... do I need to do something special with my Fanatec Load Cell pedals? Im sad I have to brake much sooner than everyone else.
late answer: during replays there's not Abs interaction shown. abs is part of those gt3s, it's designed to help you. it's ok generally if abs intervenes, just shouldn't be excessive
most people have one session and need a while to implement.. usually I keep repeating similar message on multiple sessions, but depends really where you start
@@SimracingPopometer I've always been curious to have one do it, cause I think I know why I'm not faster, but i could be wrong I'm always competitive when i'm in the mood for it, but something let's me down in my driving
This is really useful but I prefer oversteer to understeer. I don’t mean violent oversteer but as long as it’s manageable I find it easier to get the rotation.
Everyone likes setups that rotate well, but the mercedes does only tolerate it to a certain degree, though. the rear is really sensitive to any kind of slip and has a tendency to snap plus the TC just killing a lot of acceleration then.
Probably best to speak to Nils about that, I've put his contact info in a pinned comment, though he may see this once he's done with his practice session this evening :)
TH-cam really harms reach when you have videos that don't perform as well as the usual. The second channel is there to help push content that is useful for some of the audience, but probably isn't going to perform well enough for the main channel. In an idea world, I would structure the content 100% with the audience in mind, rather than thinking about such things, but I have to compromise that a little in order to 'play the game' the way TH-cam likes!
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I really couldnt ask for more, thanks for leveraging me, thanks for being a good student, thanks for alle the comments of everyone. And get your shots ready for the drinking game :D Sacrificing something to be faster elsewhere is a common thing. The more the corners are connected, the more this is true. Suzuka anyone? :)
Heh, thanks for your patience dude. Make sure you guys go and sub to Nils channel, lots of very useful content on there!
Suzuka’s a great example of that yes. Looking ahead and preparing for the eventual left hander and blast down the short straight. Nice 1!
Thanks for sharing your techniques and simracing enthusiasm with us Nils! Really appreciate it.
In this video you opened up my eyes to re-watch my laps from a neutral stand point. This will help me even more.
@Nils Naujoks Thank YOU for this absolute golden insight. Sooo many of the community need to see this. You're explanations and data analysis are just fantastic.
Thanks so much for sharing your insight Nils. Is Motec data export from the regular PC version of ACC or are additional plug-ins needed? I'm a console sim racer (Gran Turismo Sport) but thinking I might have to build up a PC setup. On Gran Turismo Sport we just have a delta time and ghosts, so analysis is harder.
I had the same opportunity few weeks ago and Nils provided me with so much insight about all my bad habits, I would never be able to find myself without comparing the data with his lap and go through the reasoning behind all the delta. We actually skipped the video part and focused on the MoTec. For sure one of the very best time I had in my short life with sim-racing and eager for the next session. As you can see from the video, Nils has such a great personality, which is the priceless part of the whole experience.
Glad you found it valuable. I wasn't really sure what to expect, but I was blown away by the detail!
thanks so much for the shout mate!
This is superb stuff - very enlightening !
Glad you think so! I've been wanting to do this for a while. As someone who is fairly quick, but not on the alien level, it's great to be able to see where the differences lie!
Fun Drinking Game: Take a shot every time Nis says the word ''Sacrifice''
Or every time I look like a kid at school who's just been told I got the wrong answer :D
You need to sacrifice a lot to be fast.
th-cam.com/video/NrLkTZrPZA4/w-d-xo.html
Always tough when another man tells you that "you look inecure on entry".... Jokes aside, this was a really interesting video, keep up the great work Chris!
fanatec should use thas quote on the opening flaps of the load cell pedal boxes...
Whilst the advice is spot on, I feel like "over-slowing", "leaving speed on the table" then compensating with half-throttle is just how we mere mortals navigate corners we couldn't for the life of us figure out!
The differentiation between the speed apex and the positional apex is just next level stuff. It makes perfect sense though now that he mentions it!
This is GREAT! Now I can actually understand all those squiggly lines w/ a bit of intelligence :) Also the way he explained everything I think I now could improve my times even w/o directly comparing them to a faster driver :)
Heh, yeah very much so. As someone that thought he had a decent idea about how it all works, there was still so much to learn. Very much felt like a kid in school again!
Chris Haye. Vid idea: ~ “Am I spending too much time/$ on sim racing?”
I wrote a more detailed example of how I’d do it on your “How to start sim racing as cheap as possible” vid.
Nils has a lot of knowledge and explains it so well! I've learnt a lot from this. Thanks Nils.
Fantastically interesting and very educational. Nils seems a very likeable teacher, even while pulling your lap to pieces. I'm glad he helped you build an even better lap afterward, and thanks for being willing to show us the process.
Awesome video, thanks Chris. I find all this data mind-boggling ... In my imperfect sim-racing world, I tend to implement such info in a cognitive, linear fashion, whereas Nils assimilates this instinctively... a big difference! I can see great value in a coaching session with Nils in order to UNDERSTAND what is actually happening in each moment. Of course, 12 year-old sim racing equipment does not help much, but I can certainly be much faster with professional help.
honestly seeing the breakdown of the lap was amazing. First time really looking at the data that is offered by ACC but damn it's so clear where the improvements are. Super good explanation as well. Thank you for the vid bud
Two authentic voices in sim racing combining to make a great resource for the community. Top stuff.
I found that exceptionally informative, looks like Nils is a great coach.
This is a GEM for someone that wants to learn!!!
really good video! I always wondered why I was consistently around 1 second slower than the really quick guys but it are things like these that slow me down. I'm gonna start analysing my laps a lot more now
Glad you liked it! I had the same experience. I'm able to win public lobby races, and hold my own in leagues, but when it comes to keeping up with the aliens, I couldn't find the mistakes myself. Definitely useful!
I also have been braking too hard too soon (as my best lap was always one or half a second behind the best and keeping on throttle like that also to get to the acceleration point , very helpful as I knew I was braking too hard too early but this confirmed it for me .....cheers
simply brilliant!
I do those things instinctively after 10K laps per year. If you can do those things in your sleep you can then focus on battling. There's no way I could explain it as well as Nils. I'd have to make coaching my new hobby and work hard on communicating whats being done efficiently. Very well done!
Waow, Nils is a fantastic coach!
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Planning multi-curve sections is not easy as Nils shows so clearly here.
Glad you enjoyed it! There's a lot of useful info in there. Even stuff that I knew conceptually, but hadn't really realised I wasn't quite doing right once I was in the car.
I usually like things to be dumbed down for ease of play and fun, but this was extremely interesting. Great video! Thanks for your efforts.
Damn this is cool. Had to watch it multiple times to catch everything and for it to really sink in.
Appreciate this very much. Thanks for sharing, guys!!
Can't get enough of this analysis!
Thank you very much for this, very good explanations for everything, I think this helped me very much understanding my own mistakes and reasons for why and where I loose time on every lap
Awesome video, insightful and, as always masterfully produced.
Really interesting stuff, thanks for sharing. I've always got the idea of sacrificing one corner for another but never really thought about how my exit of T3 could be started at entry of T1
It's awesome! Make more, guys!
I'm definitely going to buy a follow up session, to make sure I'm not slipping back into bad habits. Maybe we can do a follow up video :)
Awesome information, great vid. Well done Chris and Nils 👊🏻
Glad you enjoyed it! I think there's a lot of useful info in there for most drivers who aren't of the alien persuasion ;)
Definitely an eye opener. Being slow is more about viewing the track incorrectly. Hopefully I can enter some respectable midfield times with this information. 🤞
did you? :)
@@SimracingPopometer I actually just put in a particularly fast (for me) session at Brands Hatch. Average was probably around mid 1:27s. Best was a low 1:26.
My biggest road block was my attitude towards any time I went off. I would call BS on the physics 😂😂😂 it just gets so frustrating.
Now I am totally accepting of mistakes and can deal with my inconsistencies in a more analytical way.
Great stuff, Chris. I have Definitely taken a few tips away from this and put them into practice.
Great video thanks, so much better than I could ever learn from any ghost or video replay
Glad you enjoyed it! Lots to take in!
Extremely helpful... thank you for sharing this with all of us!
Congratulations Chris. You just passed gamer-muscle in subscribers.
This video is so freaking satisfying to watch.
ASMR coaching vid maybe? :)
Excellent video. Very interesting
Hello thank you for this video. This video has helped me more than any I have come across. Great job
Chris, Thanks for uploading the vid, this is very helpful. Nils thanks for the advice, I will be practicing keeping your advice in mind.
Let me know if you get stuck ;)
Loved it all. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I LOVED THIS!!! What an Awesome Video!!!
Liked and subscribed great vid Nils is superb at teaching , I'm subscribed to his too. 👍👍👍
Really informative, interesting video. I'd definitely benefit from something like this, as I know I'm slow in places for sure. I'm going to be using the different views to review my laps for sure! Thanks for creating this.
Thanks for helping me discover his channel!
Great video. Great production as well.
"I sense some insecurity on entry"
Nils is singing my life with his words.
Very interesting video. I was comparing what Nils said to Driver 61. Nils seemed to want more weight to be over the front wheels on corner entry to help turn in whereas Driver 61 seems to think it's better to have a more stable platform and less pitching forward ( at least that was my take on it). So seems like different advice. In fact I think Driver 61 said for some corners it was best to brake earlier and lighter and keep the car from pitching forward. Now I may not be representing or understanding what both coaches are saying but seems a different approach. Would it not also depend on the handling characteristics of the car? I only use a console but with Project Cars 2 I find the Mercedes has understeer tendency and Nils approach would maybe help rotation.
The other thing I find difficult is coming off the brake pedal gently, trail braking , as I have to use alot of force on the pedals to get the car stopped and there isn't alot of pedal travel on my brakes.
Bit long winded ( by me!) but found your video very interesting, well done.
Sadly cant compare real life to games in every detail and especially cant compare between games. usually, you only want a stable speed through very high speed corners where huge amounts of downforce are affecting the car and where pitching could cause major balance shifts. Additionally, some cars can, some cars cant take that better or worse
Yeh I agree. I drive more like Driver 61...........but perhaps for sim racing I need to change. My baseline is based on real track driving but perhaps this may hurt??
Depends on many variables. In this case Nils data showed the less balanced approach with later braking is faster overall because his data showed it. Ordinarily there may not be faster data to compare oneself against 1:1 so it won't be as easy to get to the faster conclusion
Thanks for this video. Helped me alot. I hope other tracks will follow.
This is very cool and informative!!
I just got ACC and a have a lot of learning to do 🙈😂
Not to mention how to properly setup my cars.
Coming from Pcars 2 i really love this game!!
Outstanding content. Nils, could you, please, provide this updated workbook with time variance? I couldn't find it in the one linked on your channel.
just hit F3! there's also a Greek delta letter to be found in the right side navigation bar
@@SimracingPopometer Thank you! I'm new to Motec.
Fascinating. I can see why I'm so slow now.
This is gold. I'm sure I'm making all the same mistakes.
Boy, thi's pure 24 carat Gold!
Great video! I was wondering how you make the graph of time variance in MoTeC. Is there any guide out there on how to make one? Perhaps a new video idea ;)
would be a very short video: Press F3 :)
Great video keep up the good work and stay safe
Thanks Lewis, you too! 👍
thank you VERY much
Really insightful thanks for sharing with us 👍
Top content! Thanks for sharing. Learned alot.
Fascinating stuff.
Lesson 1:
Straightening the curves
I grew up in Hazard with the Duke boys. 🤣👍
15:11 Chris thinking: ''bla bla bla yeah what ever, stop talking man, I'm gonna choke myself'' :D :D :D
Haha - Accurate!
Awesome what a great teacher 👍🏻
Fantastic video!
Thank you very much! Hopefully there is something useful in there for you :)
Thanks for a great video on how to look at the replay and data to improve ones driving. I really liked the top view looking down on the car's racing line, is this done inside of ACC replay mode to get this top view. I use Assetto Corsa at this time, is it possible to get a top view replay in Assetto Corsa ?
Great informative vid!!
I‘m just wondering how you and Nils got the laps so comparable in terms of the setups of the cars. Did you use the same setup? I mean - a setup makes so much difference in terms of cornering, break behavior etc. with different breakbalance, tirepresure, differential and so on.
Aggressive Preset with slightly adjusted pressures - thats how :) Also we controlled for temperatures, track grip, time of day, etc.
Apart from that setups are over-rated in that regard. The patterns visible in his driving are not a result of the setup.
@@SimracingPopometer Thanks :) But one thing about over-rated setups: Completely wrong setups make a car undriveable right? So where to draw the line between good basic setup and super finetuned setup?
Jesus Christ. Sim racing is physics, sim racing is maths, sim racing... is LIFE!!!!!
Killing it Chris
100% braking and no abs intervening at all? Im having a serious issue with my setup since day 1 a year ago on ACC... Abs intervention is killing my braking no matter the car setup or abs settings, I tried re installing game and trying different wheel base firmwares to no avail... do I need to do something special with my Fanatec Load Cell pedals? Im sad I have to brake much sooner than everyone else.
late answer: during replays there's not Abs interaction shown. abs is part of those gt3s, it's designed to help you. it's ok generally if abs intervenes, just shouldn't be excessive
Awesome content man 🤙
What program did you guys use? Excellent video btw! Super informative and motivational by being very actionable
its motec i2 pro. its free. ACC puts out the file format organically
You and him never mentionned the setup ? Is it going to be on the longer video ??
If i remember correctly we just used a Coach Dave Academy Setup!
Great disclosure, and without a doubt ... if you don't have this motec softwear, you are simply failing to learn the right way!
Few things to take away from this...cheers!
This was Amazing
good stuff, both of you
How do you zoom into the graphs for a closer look? My assetto corsa doesn't allow me to do that or maybe I haven't found the correct button to press.
Really great. So interesting.
Amazing video
this was really interesting
Does this kinda coaching work unless it's really regular?
most people have one session and need a while to implement.. usually I keep repeating similar message on multiple sessions, but depends really where you start
@@SimracingPopometer I've always been curious to have one do it, cause I think I know why I'm not faster, but i could be wrong
I'm always competitive when i'm in the mood for it, but something let's me down in my driving
At 28:20 It looks like you are having marriage counselling if you mute the sound. 🤣
This is really useful but I prefer oversteer to understeer. I don’t mean violent oversteer but as long as it’s manageable I find it easier to get the rotation.
Everyone likes setups that rotate well, but the mercedes does only tolerate it to a certain degree, though. the rear is really sensitive to any kind of slip and has a tendency to snap plus the TC just killing a lot of acceleration then.
How do I get the "delta" or "variance" line on my motec lap data?
Chris i have never seen you look so uncomfortable😊. Great video by the awesome content, keep it up..
seconds being shaved off
HAha - just concentrating. :)
This guy is damn good
great great video
Do they ride the curbs that much into turn 1 in real life?
tbh: i've never seen a single lap of a gt3 car on barca, except for david perels: th-cam.com/video/WKNxJXFipBg/w-d-xo.html and he mind the saussage
Damn that's scientific 😄
is this going to help me when I play need for speed heat?
enjoyed
Very informative session, but is there any price guide available for this service?
Probably best to speak to Nils about that, I've put his contact info in a pinned comment, though he may see this once he's done with his practice session this evening :)
Thanks Chris, just join the discord and theres a channel with all the info. If you miss anything, just reach out via DM!
LMAO look at you blushing! You did well mate! Really interesting video too!
He did. its not easy making such a jump in laptime
I'm always 4 seconds off the fastest guy in the world ranking
"I'm afraid of sausages"
Had a good laugh when Chris said that.
how much is a coaching session like this?
80€ these days (sorry for the late... late! answer)
Any tips to practice trail braking more with the right foot? 😂😂
Get some tape and wrap it around foot and throttle pedal :) Only if you cant use your left for physiological reasons you want to use the right, imo
What circuit is this?
Barcelona
what's the point in having the laps posted on a different channel?
TH-cam really harms reach when you have videos that don't perform as well as the usual. The second channel is there to help push content that is useful for some of the audience, but probably isn't going to perform well enough for the main channel. In an idea world, I would structure the content 100% with the audience in mind, rather than thinking about such things, but I have to compromise that a little in order to 'play the game' the way TH-cam likes!
Hey at least its nils and not amir XDXDXD xoxoxoxo hossinni
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Thanks dude - not sure why TH-cam updated the URL!
th-cam.com/video/O9ySNFvn5D4/w-d-xo.html - sorry, TH-cam updated the URL for some reason!