10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is the only version of Windows that's not terrible and the one I run on all of my devices, even my ROG Ally. Almost no bloatware (except Edge), none of 11's UI downgrades, telemetry that can be turned off and security support up to 2032. IMO Windows peaked with 7 and 10 LTSC is the closest thing to 7 you can get right now. It's proof that MS can still make a stable, competent, no BS operating system and all of the awfulness, spyware and bloat you get with Home/Pro versions is only the result of greed on MS's part.
That’s why I said the line “features that benefit Microsoft more than you” 🤣 I do realize that 11 LTSC isn’t as stripped down as I would like. But having ran 11 (home I think) on my Legion Go for a while, honestly 11 LTSC isn’t bad. It had some… questionable UI choices but just like me installing Windows on my steam deck. The OS is the thing I interact with the least on a gaming device. That’s however why I wanted to do this test. I wanted to see (on this hardware) how the performance really was. Since over time less hardware will put out drivers for 10 and less games will officially support it. So this was kinda me… is it time to rip off the bandaid.
@@beyondtheringgaming I think drivers won't be an issue for a long time, given how 10 and 11 are so similar under the hood. I remember getting a laptop optimized for Windows 8.1 in 2014 and I easily installed drivers made for 8.1 on Windows 7. As gamers, the biggest thing that might affect us is DirectStorage, but even that isn't exactly necessary right now. As for game support, that's probably not a worry either, considering how many Windows games can now be run even on Linux.
Windows 10 end of life for consumers is next year though. Over a year from now, but still it is ticking closer. I would be most worried about prebuilt machines. Like the Legion GO the drivers are not officially supported on Windows 10 (I have not tried this personally though, I am curious how it would go). Any custom hardware could become an issue. From your comments I am assuming you are more technical than your average user. We do have to admit that we are dealing with a big marketing push from Microsoft for 11 and "end of life", or lack of security updates may scare a lot of people to go to 11 which decrease any incentive to make sure things work on 10 going forward. I do agree with a lot of what you are saying and it is very possible this is farther off. But at some point it will be Windows 11 or going with Linux, which has its own downsides since almost nothing is running natively.
Dope video man :) I recently upgraded to Win 11 thinking I'd get less performance but surprisingly Win 11 is smoother than Win 10 for me. Both for in-game and non-game scenarios.
I do kinda wish that I had included Windows 10 Pro in this, and not just LTSC 10 to get a better idea of the performance hit. But I didn't since I was not considering 10 LTSC as an option for myself. What drove me to make this video was to figure out what I was going to be running myself. That being said, I do think that what the performance hit going from 10 to 11 will really depend on your hardware. I have seen plenty of people report that it runs significantly worse, so clearly there is something but it doesn't affect everyone.
Great Comparison. I'd also like to add one thing, if yor PC doesn't have tpm, WIndows 10 LTSC is the best possible OS right now. As a lot of games like valorant( mostly riot games) require TPM, if they detect Windows 11. But in Windows 10 LTSC they don't. Also WIn10 LTSC iot enterprise will get support upto 2032
Thanks for the info on TPM. I will need to do some more research into that. I thought about bringing up the extended support part. I decided instead I would just not make any claims about Windows 10 ending support soon. (Developer support is an obvious exception) since I wasn’t testing normal Windows 10 Pro. Was trying to walk that line of explaining what LTSC is, explaining the privacy benefits but also focusing on what really matters to a lot of gamers. Performance. Which for me is what I care about at the end of the day. It’s why I run LTSC on my steam deck. )(privacy also, but Windows is not my primary OS so it sees very little that would be sensitive in the slightest)
Glad you liked it. I experimented with a lot of things in how I made this video. What kind of hardware are you running? Working on doing the same tests on some other hardware right now (legit right now, my legion go is right next to me doing its thing)
Windows 10 IoT LTSC (21H2) is a rock-solid OS. I've been using it for years on various devices, running SQL, gaming, productivity and many more with old and modern Hardware, and I've never had any of the countless issues I hear about with the Pro version and its "quality" updates. And on top of that, it has support until 2032. The performance drawbacks are due to the system being optimized for 2021 hardware, but even with that reduced performance, I’d choose it over and over again. Thanks for sharing!
Getting a new NVME with 1TB with a 7800x3D/1080Ti (lol) and planning on gaming only + being my main OS. While I heard that Ryzen 7/9 series got a major FPS boost with the new 24H2 Win 11 update (supposedly). Which one should I go for knowing that official 24h2 release will be released end of all? I love Win 10 but IDK. Any insight? Thank you.
Huge caveat with what I am about to say, so I hope someone else comes in with more helpful information. The only AMD computers I have to test is my Steam Deck and Legion GO (Another Handheld). Both of my gaming PC's and my partners are Intel and Nvidia. So unfortunately I cannot speak on what those performance increases are. I have seen some on reddit say that it got them a few extra FPS but nothing groundbreaking but I could just be fully up to date on that. I also believe I saw that this boost was backported to the current version of Windows, so you don't have to be on a preview (which 24H2 is still technically preview even if it is shipping on the Copilot PC's) to get it. Here is my take. I love Windows 10, particularly when I ran LTSC. It was (mostly) lean and a workhorse. Did not have all of the crap that Microsoft was trying to push. But Windows 10 is also likely going to start falling behind. Less and less hardware officially supporting it, and I think overtime less and less games working with it. In all of my benchmarks so far (and I am doing more hardware configurations than what I covered in this video) I have seen either parity between 10 LTSC and 11 LTSC or better. (With Returnal being the anomaly). So I think if you are fine with going with the LTSC, (unless there is a major problem with AMD I am unaware of) going with 11 LTSC is the easy choice. You are more prepared for the future and from what I have seen the performance is similar or better than 10 LTSC. If you don't want to use LTSC, honestly thats a harder choice. I really don't like stock Windows 11. Short term 10 will likely remain the better choice but at some point you will likely be forced to use 11.
You ran all your tests on a 13900K. That CPU has P and E cores, something Windows 10 LTSC doesn't handle well because the core scheduler was only added later in 21H2. You should've run your tests on an AMD or an older Intel processor for a fair comparison.
Running Windows 11 Pro, its fine, now that I've optimised it, actually works great! Geek bench (don't use it) Synthetic crap. Just learn your operating system and how to best fix the issues (without using tools like Chris Titus') as I've got it more locked down and streamlined then I had Windows 10 Pro. Anyways interesting video but honestly you should be on Windows 11 by now and LOCAL account toggle on / off is a new feature that Windows 11 Pro has also (food for thought) Peace ✌🏼✌🏼🕊🕊
I think there are a lot of good reasons you would not want to be on Windows 11, particularly from a privacy standpoint with a lot of what Microsoft has recently been shoving into 11. That is part of why I wanted to do this test though, and the LTSC version of 11 was available. I wanted to update to 11 but I did not want all of the other crap. But we also can't ignore that Windows 11 is being targeted by more developers.
10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is the only version of Windows that's not terrible and the one I run on all of my devices, even my ROG Ally. Almost no bloatware (except Edge), none of 11's UI downgrades, telemetry that can be turned off and security support up to 2032. IMO Windows peaked with 7 and 10 LTSC is the closest thing to 7 you can get right now. It's proof that MS can still make a stable, competent, no BS operating system and all of the awfulness, spyware and bloat you get with Home/Pro versions is only the result of greed on MS's part.
That’s why I said the line “features that benefit Microsoft more than you” 🤣
I do realize that 11 LTSC isn’t as stripped down as I would like. But having ran 11 (home I think) on my Legion Go for a while, honestly 11 LTSC isn’t bad. It had some… questionable UI choices but just like me installing Windows on my steam deck. The OS is the thing I interact with the least on a gaming device.
That’s however why I wanted to do this test. I wanted to see (on this hardware) how the performance really was.
Since over time less hardware will put out drivers for 10 and less games will officially support it. So this was kinda me… is it time to rip off the bandaid.
@@beyondtheringgaming I think drivers won't be an issue for a long time, given how 10 and 11 are so similar under the hood. I remember getting a laptop optimized for Windows 8.1 in 2014 and I easily installed drivers made for 8.1 on Windows 7. As gamers, the biggest thing that might affect us is DirectStorage, but even that isn't exactly necessary right now. As for game support, that's probably not a worry either, considering how many Windows games can now be run even on Linux.
Windows 10 end of life for consumers is next year though. Over a year from now, but still it is ticking closer.
I would be most worried about prebuilt machines. Like the Legion GO the drivers are not officially supported on Windows 10 (I have not tried this personally though, I am curious how it would go). Any custom hardware could become an issue.
From your comments I am assuming you are more technical than your average user. We do have to admit that we are dealing with a big marketing push from Microsoft for 11 and "end of life", or lack of security updates may scare a lot of people to go to 11 which decrease any incentive to make sure things work on 10 going forward.
I do agree with a lot of what you are saying and it is very possible this is farther off. But at some point it will be Windows 11 or going with Linux, which has its own downsides since almost nothing is running natively.
Dope video man :) I recently upgraded to Win 11 thinking I'd get less performance but surprisingly Win 11 is smoother than Win 10 for me. Both for in-game and non-game scenarios.
I do kinda wish that I had included Windows 10 Pro in this, and not just LTSC 10 to get a better idea of the performance hit. But I didn't since I was not considering 10 LTSC as an option for myself.
What drove me to make this video was to figure out what I was going to be running myself.
That being said, I do think that what the performance hit going from 10 to 11 will really depend on your hardware. I have seen plenty of people report that it runs significantly worse, so clearly there is something but it doesn't affect everyone.
Great Comparison. I'd also like to add one thing, if yor PC doesn't have tpm, WIndows 10 LTSC is the best possible OS right now. As a lot of games like valorant( mostly riot games) require TPM, if they detect Windows 11. But in Windows 10 LTSC they don't. Also WIn10 LTSC iot enterprise will get support upto 2032
Thanks for the info on TPM. I will need to do some more research into that.
I thought about bringing up the extended support part. I decided instead I would just not make any claims about Windows 10 ending support soon. (Developer support is an obvious exception) since I wasn’t testing normal Windows 10 Pro.
Was trying to walk that line of explaining what LTSC is, explaining the privacy benefits but also focusing on what really matters to a lot of gamers. Performance.
Which for me is what I care about at the end of the day. It’s why I run LTSC on my steam deck. )(privacy also, but Windows is not my primary OS so it sees very little that would be sensitive in the slightest)
great video man, ive been looking for ltsc performance between another windows version like this
Glad you liked it. I experimented with a lot of things in how I made this video.
What kind of hardware are you running? Working on doing the same tests on some other hardware right now (legit right now, my legion go is right next to me doing its thing)
Windows 10 IoT LTSC (21H2) is a rock-solid OS. I've been using it for years on various devices, running SQL, gaming, productivity and many more with old and modern Hardware, and I've never had any of the countless issues I hear about with the Pro version and its "quality" updates. And on top of that, it has support until 2032. The performance drawbacks are due to the system being optimized for 2021 hardware, but even with that reduced performance, I’d choose it over and over again. Thanks for sharing!
wow this one was so helpful , thank you man
Glad it helped!
What kind of hardware are you running? I am working on benchmarking some other configurations right now.
@@beyondtheringgaming i have 6800xt and 7600 non x version and 32 g of 6000 mhz cl36
i kinda wanna see how will low end pc perform with both of them
you are a savior. I was also looking for exact comparison as I hate 11 pro and with 13gen was not sure if I can use 21H2 better
Getting a new NVME with 1TB with a 7800x3D/1080Ti (lol) and planning on gaming only + being my main OS.
While I heard that Ryzen 7/9 series got a major FPS boost with the new 24H2 Win 11 update (supposedly).
Which one should I go for knowing that official 24h2 release will be released end of all?
I love Win 10 but IDK. Any insight? Thank you.
Huge caveat with what I am about to say, so I hope someone else comes in with more helpful information. The only AMD computers I have to test is my Steam Deck and Legion GO (Another Handheld). Both of my gaming PC's and my partners are Intel and Nvidia.
So unfortunately I cannot speak on what those performance increases are. I have seen some on reddit say that it got them a few extra FPS but nothing groundbreaking but I could just be fully up to date on that. I also believe I saw that this boost was backported to the current version of Windows, so you don't have to be on a preview (which 24H2 is still technically preview even if it is shipping on the Copilot PC's) to get it.
Here is my take. I love Windows 10, particularly when I ran LTSC. It was (mostly) lean and a workhorse. Did not have all of the crap that Microsoft was trying to push.
But Windows 10 is also likely going to start falling behind. Less and less hardware officially supporting it, and I think overtime less and less games working with it.
In all of my benchmarks so far (and I am doing more hardware configurations than what I covered in this video) I have seen either parity between 10 LTSC and 11 LTSC or better. (With Returnal being the anomaly).
So I think if you are fine with going with the LTSC, (unless there is a major problem with AMD I am unaware of) going with 11 LTSC is the easy choice. You are more prepared for the future and from what I have seen the performance is similar or better than 10 LTSC.
If you don't want to use LTSC, honestly thats a harder choice. I really don't like stock Windows 11. Short term 10 will likely remain the better choice but at some point you will likely be forced to use 11.
@@beyondtheringgaming I appreciate the long answer! It is a tough choice indeed! I'll go to LTSC 💯.
what version of ltsc was used on windows 11?
You ran all your tests on a 13900K. That CPU has P and E cores, something Windows 10 LTSC doesn't handle well because the core scheduler was only added later in 21H2.
You should've run your tests on an AMD or an older Intel processor for a fair comparison.
Thanks
i use 11 iot ltcs for 2 days and i back to 10 ltcs cuz performance is better on 10u can feel it
w11 is a preview version not final tho
Is the windows 11 enterprise LTSC a release preview? If so when will it have the stable launch?
Well it is launched but for companies and the only way to get it without spending a shit ton of money is great old piracy
@@NoNo-p8l I can download it the iso, but the discription say release preview.
@@adrianwolff2007 oh yeah I just searched it up so, it should be finished in fall 2024 so not to far off
@@NoNo-p8l Right, I am waiting for it to install in my new build.
Running Windows 11 Pro, its fine, now that I've optimised it, actually works great! Geek bench (don't use it) Synthetic crap. Just learn your operating system and how to best fix the issues (without using tools like Chris Titus') as I've got it more locked down and streamlined then I had Windows 10 Pro. Anyways interesting video but honestly you should be on Windows 11 by now and LOCAL account toggle on / off is a new feature that Windows 11 Pro has also (food for thought) Peace ✌🏼✌🏼🕊🕊
I think there are a lot of good reasons you would not want to be on Windows 11, particularly from a privacy standpoint with a lot of what Microsoft has recently been shoving into 11.
That is part of why I wanted to do this test though, and the LTSC version of 11 was available. I wanted to update to 11 but I did not want all of the other crap.
But we also can't ignore that Windows 11 is being targeted by more developers.