I agree, it will be better once the birds get a bit smarter and stronger at flying. Especially if you can get them to a point where they're all flying together and either flying or in the loft. I'm pretty much in the same boat.
I had a very intense Hawk problem. I had one really obsessed talk. the others were all so pretty obsessed but one was really. Also had a couple Falcons coming by. I had to fully net my exercise area ie my flight cage. It was an open area before the hawk started making multiple strikes everyday. I lost too many birds. So now I just pop the birds in the box and take them out to fly before I feed them in the morning. The racing pigeons fly back and make it into the loft before I even get home the high Flyers will take a more elevated route and spend more time flying out before they'll drop back into the loft. Once the birds are all back in then I close up the flight area like the exercise area. then I let all the lofts out together in the netted protected area. this way the birds get to relax and socialize outside of the lofts without dying. And then I get more into the habit of putting them in the crates and flying them. and they get in the habit of getting into the boxes and then understanding that they're going to be flying after that so they're more willing to jump in. after a few times into the crates or whatever you're using each they'll get it they'll understand it's time to fly. Having them understand that and cooperate is really satisfying. Kind of what it's all about. Admittedly I enjoyed a year of letting my birds fly all around my loft and all around my yard and stuff. But it attracted a whole ecosystem of raptors. Everything from Eagles to owls to Ravens even just coming by on a regular flight path to see if there's something they can snack on. Now if I just get them ready and fly them before 11:00 a.m. when the wind comes up, I'm good to go for a daily fly. can't sit around waiting for the day to progress to see if it's going to be windy later, you know it's going to be windy later.
Same here , I’ve enjoyed letting my pigeons out for two years almost , loft open all day long , closed at night , but in September of last year it attracted a very cunning hawk that caught my birds inside of the coop , prior to this hawk my back yard was heaven for birds and bees so to speak
Get rid of those mongrels ASAP! See them working together the buggers. Good job on getting over to your bird fast mate. Once your birds get experienced and hawk aware those big hawks will just be good exercise for your birds.
yeah those big hawks wont have any chance getting the birds once they are fit on the wing, they are to slow as you seen. just nabbing the stupid ones on the ground.
Ohhhh mate need to get these birds flying more they are sitting ducks. You should be able to get them to the point where the pigeons fly above and around those hawks. But the birds are very unfit and fat. Keep it up!
Finally, they're out again after all this time. Don't worry about the hawk that much, because if it grabs some, those would be not so good flyers anyway. It is a natural and very good initial selection imho. Pigeonmania has many videos with a flock that he flies only during winter, when hawks and falcons attack. I learned a lot from his experience and his birds.
@@ManeyPigeons Imagine I'm in discussions to buy some land for my future house and for the pigeon loft, of course. It is 30 mins away from the flat and the highway to that location is filled with forests and birds of prey. In one year I will be having the same problems you're experiencing now :))) Just saying :D
at the moment the birds are easy meat but once they starting flying more often they become one of the harder targets for the hawks and hopefully they'll leave them alone
It's about time ya started Keeping a few small Rockets to hand and fire one up in hawks direction every time they come round.. they will soon learn to stay clear
Total pigeons before letting them out today, count? How many returned & how many missing, pigeon year/ number record important to tally. As hawks, kites or falcons live on your property too as predators
If you get more may contact some falconers for some help and come and take a hawk off the farm and relocate it still see that Hawk at its new perch on my way to work everyday and me I don't have a hawk problem anymore thank God. My youngs were easy pray but the more experienced birds were just no match for him. He even started to recognize the young birds and just go after them and sit in a tree when the more experienced birds were flying. It was my enemy for a good 2 years
Trying to figure why you don't let them go out the trap? That's the way I do it so they don't get confused about how to go in and out. I just leave the trap bars up and they can come and go until I want to trap them in.
I rescue wild feral pigeons and I’ve must have raised and released 1000’s of them last 12 years , I have kept few birds as they grew close to my heart , I had built a coop in the yard , I had a total of 12 pigeons , I used to fly them around for the first two years of my coop being built , till last year September when a hawk found my yard , I’ve lost 3 birds since September , usually if I’m in the house and not In the yard with my birds , they have been real good outflying a hawk but we have these cunning Cooper’s hawks that caught them inside of my coop , the entrance for my pigeons was wide enough for him to get in, all that changed now as I had my birds closed for weeks in hopes that hawks may move on to another area . I hate keeping my birds closed.
Hi mate, really frustrating for you, those two Hawks don't look as though they are going anywhere soon and if I was to guess they have been there for some time, not just waiting for the birds as they have not been out for some time. Must be something legal you can do to get rid of them... waiting to see who is missing or not. Agree with the other guys Shocks offspring are something special. I noticed the black hen was missing, may be just flying as she doesnt want to stop normally but look out for her mate. Another special one she is..
those 2 kite / hawks are pretty big i was never thinking they would go after the pigeons but i guess the ybs are easy right now with all their slow flying and landing everywhere, once they get sorted they will have no chance. im keen to get shocks ybs up and flying really well im keen to see how they progress they are little balls of muscle but all super friendly also!
1 thing u should never do is if u let the young birds out u must stay with them so u can keep an eye on them, tbh u don’t serve them if u can’t keep an eye on them 🤦♂️
the big ones are too slow to get pigeons over here. We have the little tiny hawks I believe theyre the fastet animal ever recorded that are really dangerous to them.
Idk your laws there but can you get your falconry license and capture the hawk to relocate it or fly yourself? What I had to do in my country to keep a hawk away from my farm animals (pigeons, cats, rabbits, ducks, chickens, doves, budgies, and guinea pigs.)
Don’t let fly all birds at once . Just bring 5 birds out. And do same next day. Then birds will more safe. Put just one bird out with four old one . That way they will do better.
Young ones are a nightmare,I never looose all of them at once.couple at a time is the best way.if all the old ones had struck then you would have been in real trouble.
Keeping them locked up and starting those youngs that late in the age is not doing them any good. Fat birds/ birds on the ground are dinner bells. Gotta start them early in the air and keep them going.
Those kind of hawks didnt have a chance to catch racing pigeon,if it catch any bird those birds are not good,,only falcons are danger to pigeons..but mature and experienced birds always escape except in cases when pigeon is tired or its feathers are not in good condition
Its Never a good idea to let young birds out for the first time with birds that have been out before. They make them fly to quick and they get lost . you always ask for comments and advice and I see people giving you great advice in the comment section and you just egnore it. your lucky to have people giving you advise mate you should listen to what they say. Also buy a boomerang to throw at the hawks ya don't have to hit them just get it close enough to scear them.
You made this soup yourself. You put the young pigeons down too late. You don't get them used to the stroke, you don't learn how to use the excursion and, to top it all, they chase them up too. They are supposed to fly onto the roof of the dovecote, where they don't even know it ... so many mistakes.
I really enjoy looking all the birds flying arround the loft. Thanks for tour time Kurt 👏👏👏
I remember shooting fire 🔥 work rockets to scare the hawks away from my coop
I agree, it will be better once the birds get a bit smarter and stronger at flying. Especially if you can get them to a point where they're all flying together and either flying or in the loft. I'm pretty much in the same boat.
the same hawk boat? aha
I had a very intense Hawk problem.
I had one really obsessed talk.
the others were all so pretty obsessed but one was really.
Also had a couple Falcons coming by.
I had to fully net my exercise area ie my flight cage.
It was an open area before the hawk started making multiple strikes everyday.
I lost too many birds.
So now I just pop the birds in the box and take them out to fly before I feed them in the morning.
The racing pigeons fly back and make it into the loft before I even get home
the high Flyers will take a more elevated route and spend more time flying out before they'll drop back into the loft.
Once the birds are all back in then I close up the flight area like the exercise area.
then I let all the lofts out together in the netted protected area.
this way the birds get to relax and socialize outside of the lofts without dying.
And then I get more into the habit of putting them in the crates and flying them.
and they get in the habit of getting into the boxes and then understanding that they're going to be flying after that so they're more willing to jump in.
after a few times into the crates or whatever you're using each they'll get it they'll understand it's time to fly.
Having them understand that and cooperate is really satisfying.
Kind of what it's all about.
Admittedly I enjoyed a year of letting my birds fly all around my loft and all around my yard and stuff.
But it attracted a whole ecosystem of raptors. Everything from Eagles to owls to Ravens even just coming by on a regular flight path to see if there's something they can snack on.
Now if I just get them ready and fly them before 11:00 a.m. when the wind comes up, I'm good to go for a daily fly.
can't sit around waiting for the day to progress to see if it's going to be windy later, you know it's going to be windy later.
Same here , I’ve enjoyed letting my pigeons out for two years almost , loft open all day long , closed at night , but in September of last year it attracted a very cunning hawk that caught my birds inside of the coop , prior to this hawk my back yard was heaven for birds and bees so to speak
Get rid of those mongrels ASAP! See them working together the buggers. Good job on getting over to your bird fast mate. Once your birds get experienced and hawk aware those big hawks will just be good exercise for your birds.
yeah those big hawks wont have any chance getting the birds once they are fit on the wing, they are to slow as you seen. just nabbing the stupid ones on the ground.
FERAL POWER!!!
Ohhhh mate need to get these birds flying more they are sitting ducks. You should be able to get them to the point where the pigeons fly above and around those hawks. But the birds are very unfit and fat. Keep it up!
aha yeah the ybs little silly and the rest really need work but we will get there over the next few months!
U can buy 4-5 more counterfeit scare owls..but place dem far way from your bird coop .just a few distance to distract the hawks
Finally, they're out again after all this time. Don't worry about the hawk that much, because if it grabs some, those would be not so good flyers anyway. It is a natural and very good initial selection imho. Pigeonmania has many videos with a flock that he flies only during winter, when hawks and falcons attack. I learned a lot from his experience and his birds.
thanks! ill have to get used to it as everywhere i look here there are birds of prey aha everything in Australia is dangerous aha
@@ManeyPigeons Imagine I'm in discussions to buy some land for my future house and for the pigeon loft, of course. It is 30 mins away from the flat and the highway to that location is filled with forests and birds of prey. In one year I will be having the same problems you're experiencing now :))) Just saying :D
Maney you definitely have to start producing more content like this, this video had me at the the edge of my seat I tell ya.
at the moment the birds are easy meat but once they starting flying more often they become one of the harder targets for the hawks and hopefully they'll leave them alone
The pigeons will always be Hawk prey my friend.
Keep one of the red ones or little Shock for stock, they are beautiful pigeons and good quality.
Ok thanks! one the red cocks i think!
@@ManeyPigeons buy a starting pistol we are allowed them in england to scare of the hawks they are perfectly legal here
@@joshdean8178 he lives in Canada I think
@@علاويالبدري-ش8ل na he lives in Australia
@@joshdean8178 ohh is it
Quick tip keep the main door open so the pigeons on the ground will see them eating and they will come join them.
Hang in there keep working on them pigeons you will get there
U saved that pigeon!!!! Wooooo!!!
It's about time ya started Keeping a few small Rockets to hand and fire one up in hawks direction every time they come round.. they will soon learn to stay clear
SOMEONE scaring them, KURT???
Total pigeons before letting them out today, count? How many returned & how many missing, pigeon year/ number record important to tally. As hawks, kites or falcons live on your property too as predators
Nice birds and nice set up👍
If you get more may contact some falconers for some help and come and take a hawk off the farm and relocate it still see that Hawk at its new perch on my way to work everyday and me I don't have a hawk problem anymore thank God. My youngs were easy pray but the more experienced birds were just no match for him. He even started to recognize the young birds and just go after them and sit in a tree when the more experienced birds were flying. It was my enemy for a good 2 years
Trying to figure why you don't let them go out the trap? That's the way I do it so they don't get confused about how to go in and out. I just leave the trap bars up and they can come and go until I want to trap them in.
Top quality loft!! Good luck 👍
thanks!
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Video Good luck 👍🕊️
Horrible hawks! I chase them too, try to rescue. Go get out there by 2 minutes or it's too late. Great rescue effort. I feel your pain🧐💚🌄
Can you please share what you do to nurse back a pigeon that was injured by a hawk?
I rescue wild feral pigeons and I’ve must have raised and released 1000’s of them last 12 years , I have kept few birds as they grew close to my heart , I had built a coop in the yard , I had a total of 12 pigeons , I used to fly them around for the first two years of my coop being built , till last year September when a hawk found my yard , I’ve lost 3 birds since September , usually if I’m in the house and not In the yard with my birds , they have been real good outflying a hawk but we have these cunning Cooper’s hawks that caught them inside of my coop , the entrance for my pigeons was wide enough for him to get in, all that changed now as I had my birds closed for weeks in hopes that hawks may move on to another area . I hate keeping my birds closed.
Hi mate, really frustrating for you, those two Hawks don't look as though they are going anywhere soon and if I was to guess they have been there for some time, not just waiting for the birds as they have not been out for some time. Must be something legal you can do to get rid of them... waiting to see who is missing or not. Agree with the other guys Shocks offspring are something special.
I noticed the black hen was missing, may be just flying as she doesnt want to stop normally but look out for her mate. Another special one she is..
those 2 kite / hawks are pretty big i was never thinking they would go after the pigeons but i guess the ybs are easy right now with all their slow flying and landing everywhere, once they get sorted they will have no chance. im keen to get shocks ybs up and flying really well im keen to see how they progress they are little balls of muscle but all super friendly also!
@@ManeyPigeons Thanks Kurt, any sign of the black hen yet ??
1 thing u should never do is if u let the young birds out u must stay with them so u can keep an eye on them, tbh u don’t serve them if u can’t keep an eye on them 🤦♂️
You need to let just one side of the bob wire open and let the pigeons to go out alone if they feel confident they will go alone outside .
Good work jnb
Nice place for them
Birds looks comfortable but for now Maney please forget about that White Pipe that you used in the pass.
Good👍❤❤❤
the big ones are too slow to get pigeons over here. We have the little tiny hawks I believe theyre the fastet animal ever recorded that are really dangerous to them.
yes its called the perigrine falcon,they are very agile and really fast
Hawk: "Grabs Pogeon"
Feral: "Flashback Intensifies"
Very good
I think you should enlarge the doors a little bit. It’s too many pigeons for two small doors and the bigger the doors the faster they get in.
Maney, what the hell, those are not hawks, their huge!
Hey maney awesome video let 10 at a time you may loose some you may not notice the loss i hope that bird is ok
Pigeons are smart bird they will get used to it and won't be caught again
I love leo
thanks!
Beautiful loft🇵🇭
It really is!
Good luck po happy 🕊️🕊️
thanks!
Starting pistol sounds like a good idea to scare to hawks. Hope that is legal there.
Nc birds sir I wish I have like your pigeon
Lasers may get shut of hawks, you might get rid with a shot gun, the sound would piss them off never mind the lead!
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Did you buy or catch the pigeons
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you need to attract the crows, ..they get rid of the hawks..
Idk your laws there but can you get your falconry license and capture the hawk to relocate it or fly yourself? What I had to do in my country to keep a hawk away from my farm animals (pigeons, cats, rabbits, ducks, chickens, doves, budgies, and guinea pigs.)
That's why it is not good for your birds to stay in to he ground longer since they are racing pigeon they must train them to fly and trap then quickly
My birds got chased by a clumsy kite and the pigeons outflew it easily so you won’t need to worry about them when they are flying.
Only way to find out if the got character ... let um lose ... 🤞
U have to let them out to get use to it
oh guys you remember my life...when we are...
New channel pic almost didn't recognize ya
aha sorry
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thansk!
@@ManeyPigeons always support you Kurt from Indonesia 🇲🇨
Hi my dear friend 😍
Hi bro your looking good
Keep one of the red one to breed so be careful of the hawk take them
Don’t let fly all birds at once . Just bring 5 birds out. And do same next day. Then birds will more safe. Put just one bird out with four old one . That way they will do better.
He would be there all day if he does that lol.
I understand what you are saying but.
Is there a gift giveaway on this TH-cam channel
Young ones are a nightmare,I never looose all of them at once.couple at a time is the best way.if all the old ones had struck then you would have been in real trouble.
Beautiful 🇧🇩
thanks!
Let them fly from the top of loft they will learn to land there when they come back, otherwise they will land anywhere on ground and room around.
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Keeping them locked up and starting those youngs that late in the age is not doing them any good. Fat birds/ birds on the ground are dinner bells. Gotta start them early in the air and keep them going.
Really dont understand why you still keeping the split bars in your flyer loft,the yb's are just gonna learn to be a lazy flyer just like em
Catapult may work.....
You must keep an air rifle with you to protect your birds..
Fireworks rockets before you let your birds out as soon as you see them fire at them they will soon get the message
It looks like your birds have got a flat fly
They keep scratching with there feet in your video that mean they got flatfly
You should see if a falconer can come and trap those hawks.
im not sure its legal :(
Falconry itself is illegal in Australia as it isn't recognized by the State.
falconry is illegal where we live
Hello i come from germany i wanted to know how to breed barless pigeons in germany unfortunately this color does not exist
Where do u live?
Those kind of hawks didnt have a chance to catch racing pigeon,if it catch any bird those birds are not good,,only falcons are danger to pigeons..but mature and experienced birds always escape except in cases when pigeon is tired or its feathers are not in good condition
Dude get em out in the afternoon to get used to the shit no hawks eathier when ready take out for morning fly
Its Never a good idea to let young birds out for the first time with birds that have been out before. They make them fly to quick and they get lost . you always ask for comments and advice and I see people giving you great advice in the comment section and you just egnore it. your lucky to have people giving you advise mate you should listen to what they say. Also buy a boomerang to throw at the hawks ya don't have to hit them just get it close enough to scear them.
Maney v hawks boxing match 2021
i was going to wrestle the hawk if he didnt let go!
I think it’s about time you start hanging CDs 💿 or shiny things on trees around your area.
What is that for .?
@@aaronjuman6507 Jungle boogie (Get It On) Pigeons love it apparently.
@@williamturner7580 ?? 🤨🤔 trying. to solve my problem. half to stop my birds from landing on trees
@@aaronjuman6507 hanging shiny things on trees keeps other predator birds away from the area
I bet you some birds will surprise you with goods
The reason why the birds ain’t coming straight in is cause you feeding them way to much
Hey maybe get a silver bar they are really. fast I have. One he is the 1 leader of my flock .?
You need to sort out the hawks,of camera
I don't think u were supposed to let them out...u supposed to wait till u moved out to ur new house
im starting to get them out otherwise im going to miss the season :( just on weekends ill get them out when no building is taking place
Where's feral?
he is there
Hi every one🍗🍖
You should get an airsoft hunting rifle
Nice
ANOTHER TIP NEVER LET THE BIRDS GRAZE ON THE GROUND ALL KINDS OF PROBLUMS WITH DAMP GROUND AND PIGEON CRAP
God piogen
Need some water before you start sending them out flying the painting too much they need water
Young birds should be out when they starting eating and thy will be stronger and faster
ودي اعرف كيف.. ينزل الترجمة بهذه الدقة والسرعة!
Finishim hawk
You made this soup yourself. You put the young pigeons down too late. You don't get them used to the stroke, you don't learn how to use the excursion and, to top it all, they chase them up too. They are supposed to fly onto the roof of the dovecote, where they don't even know it ... so many mistakes.
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