That router will probably draw quite a bit more power with all of the ethernet ports connected, the CPU under load, and lots of data transferring over all of the radios. It also needs power left over for the USB ports since someone may want to connect hard drives to both ports.
@@EEVblog2 Yeah.. It will get hot if you run a lot of wifi too.. Like we were running 2 phones, laptop, switch, kids Roku TV.. plus guests come over, etc.. So I ended up having to set a fan next to mine and just keep it running. They should really just build a fan into these things and make the cover easy to come off for easy cleaning.. To be fair, mine is the combo router.. with the built in modem.
Two USB 3 ports is 9 watts. Plus all ethernet ports being populated would definitely crank up processor usage and increase power draw. Definitely specd the 4A supply for worst case scenario of someone maxing capacity.
I've noticed that the high-spec routers with Broadcom chipsets are loaded with huge heat sinks and use power supplies several multiples of wattage higher than Qualcom/Atheros based units (which need scant heatsinking). While this suggests QCA based routers are much more power efficient, I've had much better wireless performance with the Broadcom based units, and always choose these as a result. The very important caveat with running a Broadcom unit is you absolutely must rig up a continuous cooling fan solution or the router will only last a year or two before the silicon starts going bad and it'll start doing weird things before eventually failing completely. I use a pair of very quiet ball bearing 80mm (or 92mm maybe) fans sold at amz by coooler guyz that draw 5v power out of the USB port. With that setup it'll run 5+yrs.
I am using a Linksys EA7500 v2 with openwrt, and it is one of the most accelerated and implemented routers you can have for openwrt, and it just hauls. Super fast like 650mbit over wifi.
@@Steve_Just_Steve It was actually local traffic I was talking about. I only get 60mbit internet here through my iphone. But I can download video from the phone really fast.
Great video and teardown. I actually have this router at home. It's a good wifi 6 device. I have a hard drive attached to the USB port and the speed is fast enough. It was expensive, I wanted one with 8 Ethernet ports,and this one was a new model at that moment.
Make sure you dispose of it when it gets EOGS or use DD-WRT, tomato or other open source FW that gets security patches. Don’t ask me how I know. Asus router experience 😢
Hey Dave how cheap did you get this router ? I quickly googled the model number : TP-Link AX6000 and it gives me listing between 350€ and 390€. It's by no means a cheap router. A good score if you managed to get it for cheap.
I hate these routers but I really do actually like that they have all of the reference designators silkscreen like that. I'm used to working on boards where there's no room for silkscreen
Broadcom is pretty much a DD-WRT only territory as they have (or had) access to Broadcom's binary blobs. But AFAIK, even they no longer have access to the latest Broadcom stuff. It's funny how a company that brought us chips for Raspberry Pis is otherwise so hostile to the open source community. Despite the looks, this is your typical consumer grade NAT router likely running subar quality software and with questionable support. I would personally not recommend anyone buy it. If you want a cheap router, at least look for something with Qualcomm chipset in it.
Well, TP-Link stuff is IMHO fine - and damn cheap. But I have quite some not-so-good experience regarding stability and reliability. Might be totally fine for private use but I wouldn't put it in remote places or even commercial / industrial use.
We actually just got fiber here in NW Oklahoma.. So I switched over.. Speeds went from the usual 50M to 80M up to 290M now. :) I'm sure happy with it so far. Much much faster speeds and it hasn't cut out once yet.. where as my previous cable internet would throttle down sometimes as low as 5M or 10M.. and seemed to go down completely at least once per month; for 30 min or so. Not to mention that I was paying 150 per month before- for ONLY cable internet (supposedly "up to 1gb- but it rarely got up to 100M) --- to now (for fiber) it's 65 per month-- the first 6months is half price-- and free insulation.. so ended up being 37 per month (somehow).. plus 10 dollars off if I set up recurring payments.. lol.. So it's actually only $26 per month right now for the first 6months.. Then it jups up to 55.. So much cheaper, with insanely better speeds. I have to say: if you can get fiber internet to your house-- DO IT
In my country I use simmetric 1 gbps ( actually 940 mbps due to pppoe incapsulation ) for about 5€ a month ( no discounts ). It reaches the advertised speeds most of the time. 10 gbps will cost about 10€ a month, but is not available except a very limited area .
Discombobulating the Octotron! This thing is so packed and power-hungry I might even call it Fusion Octotron. Looks like there's still no OpenWrt for this thing, meh.
Kinda disappointed that the high-end WiFi routers are basically underpowered, they stopped using superscalar out-of-order processors therein. So, I may have to look at custom Linux computer containing Ryzen processor for custom WiFi router setup instead. DD-WRT would easily mop the floor with superscalar in-order Cortex A53 - A55 processors easily especially after you customize it.
I would look at a OPNsense or pfSense setup if you are going to use a PC. You will need separate WiFi access points, PC WiFi cards are not really suitable for use as an access point.
i dont think it's underpower. It's perfectly fine for normal, average home user, unless you have big home with hundreds of user connecting at the same time.
Nice electric pillow for a cold Sydney night! 48 Watts, some in heat, some in RF radiation just the perfect play all night in your dreams edition. Louis is now dumping his existing stock of flux, his 3 cats keep him warm in Austin town!
What an ugly big beast. Why do pretty much all consumer-grade higher-end(ish) routers look like UFOs is beyond me... I gave up on those all-in-one devices ages ago, instead opting for a Linux box (currently, a Pi 5) as a router and some really nice looking enterprise-grade UniFi APs for WiFi. Way more stable and capable. And no black boxes running questionable locked-down software. It's not as easy, but hey, you can put OpenWRT on pretty much any Linux-compatible box.
TP link are the worst. Some of their products offer "lifetime support". When they fail, the do not honor it. Their commercial switches constantly fail. Total garbage.
"Rossmann loads of flux on there"! LMAO, Dave!
🤣
bigger the gob, the better the
That router will probably draw quite a bit more power with all of the ethernet ports connected, the CPU under load, and lots of data transferring over all of the radios. It also needs power left over for the USB ports since someone may want to connect hard drives to both ports.
Yeah, I might put an SSD on it for storing videos.
@@EEVblog2 Yeah.. It will get hot if you run a lot of wifi too.. Like we were running 2 phones, laptop, switch, kids Roku TV.. plus guests come over, etc.. So I ended up having to set a fan next to mine and just keep it running. They should really just build a fan into these things and make the cover easy to come off for easy cleaning.. To be fair, mine is the combo router.. with the built in modem.
May only support smb v1
@@EEVblog2
SSD under heavy writing will use upto 25 watts...
So that's part of the budget.
Heh, some cheap netbooks and laptops had trouble powering external 2.5 HDDs...
Two USB 3 ports is 9 watts. Plus all ethernet ports being populated would definitely crank up processor usage and increase power draw. Definitely specd the 4A supply for worst case scenario of someone maxing capacity.
Classic STM8S003F3 on the LED board haha
I bought this router 4 years ago. I found it quite reliable and able to handle many devices. Nice pick!
Redid my whole internet setup with a dedicated router, switch, and AP. Never been happier and won't look back at the all in one consumer stuff again.
Same here, I went down the Pfsense route.
I would consider using Openwrt-flashed devices for Wi-Fi and distributed switching, maybe also some basic routing.
Yeah I hate these Soho things now. Just so unreliable.
I've noticed that the high-spec routers with Broadcom chipsets are loaded with huge heat sinks and use power supplies several multiples of wattage higher than Qualcom/Atheros based units (which need scant heatsinking).
While this suggests QCA based routers are much more power efficient, I've had much better wireless performance with the Broadcom based units, and always choose these as a result.
The very important caveat with running a Broadcom unit is you absolutely must rig up a continuous cooling fan solution or the router will only last a year or two before the silicon starts going bad and it'll start doing weird things before eventually failing completely. I use a pair of very quiet ball bearing 80mm (or 92mm maybe) fans sold at amz by coooler guyz that draw 5v power out of the USB port. With that setup it'll run 5+yrs.
My telstra one has a mic 🎤 why?
The internal construction doesn't look like it can dissipate 48W. Perhabs you need the extra power to power external devices through USB ports?
I am using a Linksys EA7500 v2 with openwrt, and it is one of the most accelerated and implemented routers you can have for openwrt, and it just hauls. Super fast like 650mbit over wifi.
I only have a 50/20Mbit internet connection, so, meh.
@@EEVblog2 Yeah, but the speed is still nice to have for local traffic, like for your NAS.
It will choke your WiFi though, since there's only one data channel. For NAS, it's best to use wires.
@@Steve_Just_Steve It was actually local traffic I was talking about. I only get 60mbit internet here through my iphone. But I can download video from the phone really fast.
@@povilasstaniulis9484 Of course it is, but for some reason my phone doesn't have a CAT5 jack.
Great video and teardown. I actually have this router at home. It's a good wifi 6 device. I have a hard drive attached to the USB port and the speed is fast enough. It was expensive, I wanted one with 8 Ethernet ports,and this one was a new model at that moment.
hope you did a firmware update on it
Does it do POE (using the extra power)?
Question, is that choux phone or shoo phone?
I used to connect multiple USB hard drives to these things so that is probably why they spec so much headroom.
I would say the extra 20w is for the 2 USB and preparing for people to connect hard drives for storage sharing
I think the power requirement would be for having a usb powered drive of sorts.
Ah, could be.
Make sure you dispose of it when it gets EOGS or use DD-WRT, tomato or other open source FW that gets security patches. Don’t ask me how I know. Asus router experience 😢
6:10 This is bluetooth IC CYW20704
Rossmann load of flux 😂
Hey Dave how cheap did you get this router ? I quickly googled the model number : TP-Link AX6000 and it gives me listing between 350€ and 390€.
It's by no means a cheap router.
A good score if you managed to get it for cheap.
I hate these routers but I really do actually like that they have all of the reference designators silkscreen like that. I'm used to working on boards where there's no room for silkscreen
I have that exact router, it's been working well.
It was released 5 years ago and still no openwrt support. They say because it's Broadcom.
Broadcom is pretty much a DD-WRT only territory as they have (or had) access to Broadcom's binary blobs. But AFAIK, even they no longer have access to the latest Broadcom stuff.
It's funny how a company that brought us chips for Raspberry Pis is otherwise so hostile to the open source community.
Despite the looks, this is your typical consumer grade NAT router likely running subar quality software and with questionable support. I would personally not recommend anyone buy it.
If you want a cheap router, at least look for something with Qualcomm chipset in it.
That would be ironic considering the original Wrt was Broadcom.
Just make sure your change your SSID and also put a strong password on it.
I would budget as much or more for the USBC as for the device itself if I were sizing a supply for that. 48 watts sounds fair to me
i have a TP-Link deco its a round router
Well, TP-Link stuff is IMHO fine - and damn cheap. But I have quite some not-so-good experience regarding stability and reliability. Might be totally fine for private use but I wouldn't put it in remote places or even commercial / industrial use.
I like TP-LINK. It just works several years, and then you just buy newer faster one.
We actually just got fiber here in NW Oklahoma.. So I switched over.. Speeds went from the usual 50M to 80M up to 290M now. :) I'm sure happy with it so far. Much much faster speeds and it hasn't cut out once yet.. where as my previous cable internet would throttle down sometimes as low as 5M or 10M.. and seemed to go down completely at least once per month; for 30 min or so. Not to mention that I was paying 150 per month before- for ONLY cable internet (supposedly "up to 1gb- but it rarely got up to 100M) --- to now (for fiber) it's 65 per month-- the first 6months is half price-- and free insulation.. so ended up being 37 per month (somehow).. plus 10 dollars off if I set up recurring payments.. lol.. So it's actually only $26 per month right now for the first 6months.. Then it jups up to 55.. So much cheaper, with insanely better speeds. I have to say: if you can get fiber internet to your house-- DO IT
In my country I use simmetric 1 gbps ( actually 940 mbps due to pppoe incapsulation ) for about 5€ a month ( no discounts ). It reaches the advertised speeds most of the time. 10 gbps will cost about 10€ a month, but is not available except a very limited area .
@@modorangeorge4991 Wow.. that's practically free. They aren't giving it away like that around here
They paid for your insulation? That's impressive ... 😀
@@TylerDurden-pk5km lol.. If it's red, I right click and grab the "auto" correction.. haha.. oh well. I spelt it wrong and the corrected even worse
My net cure wifi 19 volts at 3.5 amps 65.5watt
From the angle at 8:03 it looks like it has a swastika on top haha.
Looks like the router couldn't handle the teardown!
Ddwrt will likely have all the info you need.
Cyberpunk Landing Pad.
For safety- and security reasona, trust me!
The radiation will be terrible! Time to put on your Tin Foil hat!
Gaming through Wi-fi is not very smart.
and very popular 😅
Discombobulating the Octotron! This thing is so packed and power-hungry I might even call it Fusion Octotron.
Looks like there's still no OpenWrt for this thing, meh.
What?!? Take it apart! Dont take it home 😂
lot of watts if all the Ethernet ports where running.
Don't turn it on..... Take it apart....
Well... not this one. .
don't ..
mock your comment section.
Kinda disappointed that the high-end WiFi routers are basically underpowered, they stopped using superscalar out-of-order processors therein. So, I may have to look at custom Linux computer containing Ryzen processor for custom WiFi router setup instead. DD-WRT would easily mop the floor with superscalar in-order Cortex A53 - A55 processors easily especially after you customize it.
I would look at a OPNsense or pfSense setup if you are going to use a PC. You will need separate WiFi access points, PC WiFi cards are not really suitable for use as an access point.
i dont think it's underpower. It's perfectly fine for normal, average home user, unless you have big home with hundreds of user connecting at the same time.
Definitely spying on you!
Nice electric pillow for a cold Sydney night! 48 Watts, some in heat, some in RF radiation just the perfect play all night in your dreams edition. Louis is now dumping his existing stock of flux, his 3 cats keep him warm in Austin town!
Hopefully not hacked
It is a bit out dated. Probably should have gotten the next model up. The BE900 or whatever
Wifi7 should slap the tits off of wifi6
Moar powah for more users for moar bandwidth for more range. Chonky 8 gigabit network ports and wireless users 😮
Can you test how far the signal reach?
What an ugly big beast. Why do pretty much all consumer-grade higher-end(ish) routers look like UFOs is beyond me...
I gave up on those all-in-one devices ages ago, instead opting for a Linux box (currently, a Pi 5) as a router and some really nice looking enterprise-grade UniFi APs for WiFi. Way more stable and capable. And no black boxes running questionable locked-down software. It's not as easy, but hey, you can put OpenWRT on pretty much any Linux-compatible box.
Rouder....😁
4A my arse 😂
5G beamform shortness of breath
TP link are the worst. Some of their products offer "lifetime support". When they fail, the do not honor it. Their commercial switches constantly fail.
Total garbage.
489.60 AUD for a router bruh
no usb port, pretty poor design.
two usb ports. ??
Err, it's got two of them.