Surprising how many different ones of these thing there are - all look very similar inside - I suspect there's probably one company designing ,maybe also building them all. Fortunately I've yet to see a dodgy one- lots of scope for danger in this type of thing.
@@EEVblog2 The Deeno branded ones discharged themselves (before delivery) beyond recovery by included charger or solar panel. Vendor said all units were affected and recalled by manufacturer.
Are you sure that charger can't be adjusted? - I have an identical looking one that has a button on the back to set 6/8/10A. 6A is the minimum rate specced by the J1772 standard. Many EVs can charge down to about 100V, so 600W would be about the minimum, though car's other systems being on may take a significant slice of that .
You are right, it does, I had completely forgotten about that. Never used it. IIRC experimenting with my zappi that lets me adjust control pulse width, my 2020 IONIQ only goes down to 1.1kW or something I think.
Most people would not want an auto-poweroff feature on a constant-on device like this *unless* the feature is optional and disabled by default. If you were using this and turned off your loads during sleep or something, the unit might power down while it's running an intermittent, but critical appliance. Auto-off can sometimes save your skin, but most of the time it just reduces the usefulness of the device; the feature needs context to know when it should occur and these products don't yet have consciousness ;).
@@EEVblog2 I think the meaning is not that the device has outlets switched off but internal circuits remain on, rather outlets are on, internals are on, ... but the load is intermittent.. it would be disaster to run an old style refrigerator that draws zero current between periods of operation..
I reviewed the smaller 300W unit a year ago, and it was the 1st to have a solar charger that accepted 60V, which made it the best pairing for a used full-size panel. It also had one of the best 220V inverters. The battery charge indicator has a lot of drift when the unit sits. I asked for a larger unit to review, but never got an answer.
May be acceptable EMI for regular home use but what does the high frequency and above EMI look like. Very important for use with amateur radios. Last thing you want is a useless radio because the inverter is spitting out excessive spurious emissions. Really need to sniff this critter with a spectrum analyzer.
@@EEVblog2 Not saying this unit does but by that standard does it mean it's OK to spray spurious emissions out in the RF spectrum? Either a device is EMI compliant or it's not. This unit looks like it "may" have good filtering but no one will know unless someone test it. There are millions of amateur radio operators around the world and EMI is a huge problem in the RF world.
@@mikesradiorepair Sure. Why don't you get AllPower to send you one and you can test it yourself, you've got adecent sized channel. It's not something I'm particually interested in.
@@EEVblog2 I have not made a TH-cam video in years. I seriously doubt they would send me one. Perhaps some other TH-camr can fully test it. Please take this as constructive criticism (and that's from a subscriber from the start of your channel), I would think a "full review" of a product like this would also include a test of EMI compliance from a item that is commonly known to fail such test. It might be something to consider expanding on in the future. The amount of "noisy" power supplies coming out of China these days is high. It's nice to know if a product has been properly designed and is worth buying. I'm a loooooong time subscriber because this is a no BS reviews channel. You call it as you see it and the public at large love you for it. Think about it. We are all pretty confident that companies like R&S, Keysight, Agilent, Keithley, etc... produce products that meet emissions standards. Why shouldn't everybody else that produces products that plug into a wall outlet produce products that meet basic standards. The person unknowingly buying a piece of junk may be interfering with communications next door or down the block. A good example is the ubiquitous wall wart. Somewhere between 1/4 to 1/2 of the products I buy come with horribly RF noisy SMPS's. All I ask is to let us know if it's a great product with a non-compliant spurious emitter power supply output.
@@mikesradiorepair I bought one of these a few months ago and have a 23GHz spectrum analyzer, a 3GHz oscilloscope and some other instruments which may be suitable to check what you need to know. If you can indicate to me specifically what to look for and it isn't too big of an effort I may be able to do some tests. I don't make youtube videos but I could send you results by email or something.
Even normal UPSes will have a switchover delay - the average is around 2 cycles or so (33 or 40ms, depending if you're 60 or 50 Hz). The only ones without a delay are the online UPSes which are way more expensive as they're running an inverter all the time.
check the consumption when its off allpowers and goalzero have a terrible circuitry that drains the damn thing when not being used for weeks/months. ive added a hard-switch and voltmeter to mine to disconnect the battery completely and its been sitting here for a year and still got almost full charge.
I have a Goalzero and rough discharge rate is maybe 10%/month. Haven't really paid proper attention to this one, but doesn't seems that bad. But yes, non-zero.
@@EEVblog2 i know a electronics recycler that gets several of the goalzero every few months, even the big ones. out of stores and customer returns. 90% of them have a dead flat battery from just sitting around in warehouses, brand new and allready dead. the other 10% are just blown up charging circuits from customers that didnt rtfm.
These are fun. I bought an Oukitel 2000P two years ago (2000W, 2000Wh LiFePO4 basically), which I love by the way, but they made some serious mistakes in the wiring. They reversed the neutral and the hot on the plugs (American plugs). Since the AC input is not isolated from the AC output, this meant that ground was referenced to the hot on the output if the power station happened to be plugged into the wall. I also had overheating issues at low (but continuous) output power levels because the fans were not turning on soon enough, so I went in and piggy-backed a resistor in parallel with the internal temperature sensor to make the unit think that it was hotter than it was, so its fans would turn on earlier. -Matt
For those arguing about whether or not it should have an auto-shutdown - make it optional. My Bluetti (which I'm not promoting as it has other problems!) has an "eco" mode which switches off the outputs after 4 hours of insignificant load. When you consider that its 700W inverter has a 20W quiescent power drain, that can be worth having.
Surprised they used cylinder cells, many were using encased pouch previously. Some of these do ups with auto recovery *power on after AC on World be useful for that
The thing that puts me off these devices is how the batteries are so integrated, so the whole unit is e-waste once the batteries wear out. Its hard enough to dispose of old batteries in some places.
please tell me, when the station is 100% charged, does it continue to make noise when charging? or do the coolers turn off? I mean the situation when nothing is connected to the station
Did you happen to test the no-load tare loss from the battery ? Full power rating might be measured with resistive load for PF = 1. I would think that the IONIC has PFC built in ?
I had an Allpowers battery. It refused to charge after about a year and I no longer use it. I bought a different make. My brother bought one- it did not charge, simply a very very hot charger. He returned it.
A damn nicely designed device! The inverter and BMS are serious business; I'd pack some better electrolytics though. Aishi don't look like up for some heavy lifting. Looks like the inverter board was designed with a XT60 connector for the battery in mind, but they went over to soldering the cables in. Good enough for Australia since they're attached with screw terminals on the other side. LTT, not Linus Tech Tips... probably. Mighty impressive batteries. I was expecting 21700 or some flat LiPo, this is a nice surprise. Wondering about the audio issues here, the muffled mike (with treble going back intermittently) is getting pretty serious.
Could you use something like that to clean up a generator supply? There's lots of power cuts where I am and I have a small generator but it's a rough sine wave output, if the unit was powered up from the rough old generator supply would it clean up the the output? The TV has a lot of lines on the screen when running directly off the generator. I'm wondering basically if it will act like a small UPS unit. So if it's plugged in, is the electronics that create the pure sine wave bypassed and you're back to raw mains.
I am using it almost like that, as a UPS. Not with as generator but the mains supply which until the utility repaired it a couple of weeks ago was a disaster. I did try it with a generator but for some odd reason it does not work. It's like there is something it doesn't like about the generator output and just ignores it. I have an incandescent lamp load also in parrallel with the generator to make sure it is not the generator that is shutting down due to overload or something but the lamp stays on steady all the time. The generator is a small 1KVA inverter generator. I haven't really pursued this far so I do not yet have a clue whether it is a poor waveform or maybe some earthing arrangement I am missing. It's quite possible that the issue is only with this specific generator.
@@listerdave1240 Thanks for the info, my generator is an old site gen set 2.5 KVA or maybe 3.5. it's waveform is rough. I was just wondering if the unit was on my gen supply and turned on would it still be using its own inverter and trying to charge the batteries at the same time or switch to bypass as its seen the mains available. I might download a manual. All the best Mark.
@@marcuswilliamobrien Given the sign wave glitches when switching between AC and battery, that to me suggests its doing straight passthrough when plugged into AC so it wouldn't clean up the input. Presumably one specifically with UPS mode will use the inverter at all times so would clean the input.
@@alexatkin I think you are right. What would do me is a large maybe 50 amp DC 12v or maybe 24v power supply feeding one of those pure sine wave inverters. No batteries needed as it would be running off the gen set. I'm sure something like that would sell if it was made. I wonder how many amps DC at 24v a 5KVA inverter would pull a lot I'd imagine.
if could open it way nobody cant tell,you could probably replace that sticker what goes red eith regular one,if you printed one out and made it look very similar.
CPU is a Nation N32G455VEL7 N32G455 series uses a 32-bit ARM Cortex-M4 core with a maximum operating frequency of 144MHz, supporting floating point unit and DSP instructions, integrating up to 512KB Flash,144KB SRAM, and built in four 12bit 5Msps ADC. four independent rail-to-rail operational amplifiers, seven high-speed comparators, two 1Msps 12bit DAC, integrated multi-channel U(S)ART, I2C, SPI, QSPI, USB, CAN, SDIO communication interface, Built-in cryptographic algorithm hardware acceleration engine
It's charging at almost 1C. That seems like a rather high charge rate for a LiFePO4 battery. Most of them recommend a charge rate of less than 0.5C. I wonder if they did that to intentionally reduce the life of the battery.
No, they are not. The XT60 is only used for the solar panel input. They really should have used MC4 connectors though. I've never seen a solar panel come with an XT60.
@@rocketman221projects MC4s would be a pain in this portable application: not only are they larger, but twice as many connections to make and you need a tool to unlatch them. My Bluetti has an XT60 input too, and I did the same for a "home made" battery pack. I combine two panels with XT60s and use more to allow a power meter to be inserted. Plenty of friction so they don't fall out, and they cost pennies.
I've had one of those for just over a year, used mainly as backup for power cuts and have only good things to say about it. Just for giggles I tried doing a full laundry load in the washing machine and then the tumble dryer on it and it handled it just fine.
Well, they MUST have some kind of over-temp cut-off, somewhere. Perhaps your "a bit warm" condition didn't quite qualify for an emergency type shutdown. She'll be all right, no wuckas! 🙃
th-cam.com/video/WFhk1aRqLD8/w-d-xo.html Does it actually have balancing or only individual cell group monitoring? I'd expect to see fatter resistors to achieve balancing, or maybe that's what all those 39 ohm ones are for? My Bluetti doesn't have balancing.
Based on the claimed Wh , they have a 22Ah cells in there...never heard of that capacity. 20Ah is more likely the case so the actual capacity will be around 1000Wh. I think marketing did a dirty on this companies reputation by inflating the claims. Silly buggers.
@@EEVblog2 so 3 in parallel is 18Ah, 4 is 24Ah - still not 22Ah. The bottom line is they (marketing) just need to sell the truth, not make up BS to compensate for their inadequacy in marketing.
@@EEVblog2 There's an inch wide hole left, right, and between the fans. A lot of air being pushed by the fans is just gonna circle back around the fans and not go through the enclosure.
Auto power off? I think no electronics feature in history has annoyed me more than devices that are not supposed to power off doing that nevertheless! Grrrrr....
My favourite is my Bluray player, as if its a BD-LIVE title and they haven't explicitly coded a memory - it forgets where you were if you pause it for too long.
@@alexatkin My TV will shut down if it has no input signal for a few seconds. Sometimes to fast to plug a USB device in. definately too fast when trying to adjust the sat dish. My one monitor shuts down after so few sieconds without signal that rebooting the computer might trigger the issue. More recent versions of Fedora Linux default to suspending the computer when its sitting idle for a while. That is new behaviour after an upgrade or new installation if the default hasn't explicitly changed by the system administrator. This sh*t meant I had to walk to all systems and change it and yes, it also disabled a server. My microwave will reset itself after half a minute or so if the door was opened, say when stirring, adding or mixing something. Better remember how much time was left ... One of my CD/DVD drives close the drawer after a few seconds. Even if my full mug of coffee is sitting there ;-) if the drawer closes and the medium in the drive isn't properly lying in the centre, the surface might get scratched. If you're really unlucky, that might make the medium unusable. This is an incomplete list.
Mixed reviews. Solar input accepts max 60 volts. Maximum solar charging wattage (650W) is only achieved above 50 volts. I liked the teardown but I see too many Chinese components and it's far too complex for my liking. If you want to know what I like, I have a Statpower Prowatt 800 inverter from 1996 that still functions perfectly 28 years later. Most companies don't make electronics like that anymore.
@@EEVblog2 In your video it was charging at almost 1000 watts from AC power. I'm not saying it HAS to take more than 650 watts - it just only takes that wattage in a very specific voltage range. What does it do if 60 volts is exceeded on solar input? Manual seems to indicate it will immediately stop solar input and wait for it to go under 60 volts again. You know that open circuit voltage on panels is much higher than max power voltage. Just 3 panels (12 volt nominal) in series is enough to get more than 60 volts open circuit.
Surprising how many different ones of these thing there are - all look very similar inside - I suspect there's probably one company designing ,maybe also building them all.
Fortunately I've yet to see a dodgy one- lots of scope for danger in this type of thing.
Yes, I'm rather amazed at the number of different brands I see.
@@EEVblog2 The Deeno branded ones discharged themselves (before delivery) beyond recovery by included charger or solar panel. Vendor said all units were affected and recalled by manufacturer.
Those Aussie plugs are upside down, all the electrons are going to fall out 🤣
That's what the rubber sealing plugs are for.
@@EEVblog2 😆
That is a Chinese plug, they are up side down.
Remember Australia is at the bottom side of the globe so everything is alright!
So to the manufacturer it’s all the right way up. Gotcha.
Throwback Tuesday. Dave's back in the garage.
Are you sure that charger can't be adjusted? - I have an identical looking one that has a button on the back to set 6/8/10A.
6A is the minimum rate specced by the J1772 standard. Many EVs can charge down to about 100V, so 600W would be about the minimum, though car's other systems being on may take a significant slice of that .
You are right, it does, I had completely forgotten about that. Never used it. IIRC experimenting with my zappi that lets me adjust control pulse width, my 2020 IONIQ only goes down to 1.1kW or something I think.
These guys are good with their warranty too. A friend had one fail and they sent an upgraded replacement for free no questions.
This is the only product in YT history that Dave had fewest gripes.
Didn’t think it was meant to be a chair Mate😂
You've never sat on your Esky?
Dave, your cassette deck needs new pinch rollers, the azimuth is fluctuating all over the place, it probably damaged the edge of the tape, too.
Most people would not want an auto-poweroff feature on a constant-on device like this *unless* the feature is optional and disabled by default. If you were using this and turned off your loads during sleep or something, the unit might power down while it's running an intermittent, but critical appliance.
Auto-off can sometimes save your skin, but most of the time it just reduces the usefulness of the device; the feature needs context to know when it should occur and these products don't yet have consciousness ;).
Why would you want to leave it on AND have all the outputs turned off? It's not like it has a timer feature or something.
@@EEVblog2 I think the meaning is not that the device has outlets switched off but internal circuits remain on, rather outlets are on, internals are on, ... but the load is intermittent.. it would be disaster to run an old style refrigerator that draws zero current between periods of operation..
I reviewed the smaller 300W unit a year ago, and it was the 1st to have a solar charger that accepted 60V, which made it the best pairing for a used full-size panel.
It also had one of the best 220V inverters. The battery charge indicator has a lot of drift when the unit sits. I asked for a larger unit to review, but never got an answer.
Ive got a smaller one of these It’s honestly pretty good! Using it to keep my aquarium going through outages.
May be acceptable EMI for regular home use but what does the high frequency and above EMI look like. Very important for use with amateur radios. Last thing you want is a useless radio because the inverter is spitting out excessive spurious emissions. Really need to sniff this critter with a spectrum analyzer.
99.999% of people don't care.
@@EEVblog2 Not saying this unit does but by that standard does it mean it's OK to spray spurious emissions out in the RF spectrum? Either a device is EMI compliant or it's not. This unit looks like it "may" have good filtering but no one will know unless someone test it. There are millions of amateur radio operators around the world and EMI is a huge problem in the RF world.
@@mikesradiorepair Sure. Why don't you get AllPower to send you one and you can test it yourself, you've got adecent sized channel. It's not something I'm particually interested in.
@@EEVblog2 I have not made a TH-cam video in years. I seriously doubt they would send me one. Perhaps some other TH-camr can fully test it.
Please take this as constructive criticism (and that's from a subscriber from the start of your channel), I would think a "full review" of a product like this would also include a test of EMI compliance from a item that is commonly known to fail such test. It might be something to consider expanding on in the future. The amount of "noisy" power supplies coming out of China these days is high. It's nice to know if a product has been properly designed and is worth buying. I'm a loooooong time subscriber because this is a no BS reviews channel. You call it as you see it and the public at large love you for it.
Think about it. We are all pretty confident that companies like R&S, Keysight, Agilent, Keithley, etc... produce products that meet emissions standards. Why shouldn't everybody else that produces products that plug into a wall outlet produce products that meet basic standards. The person unknowingly buying a piece of junk may be interfering with communications next door or down the block. A good example is the ubiquitous wall wart. Somewhere between 1/4 to 1/2 of the products I buy come with horribly RF noisy SMPS's. All I ask is to let us know if it's a great product with a non-compliant spurious emitter power supply output.
@@mikesradiorepair I bought one of these a few months ago and have a 23GHz spectrum analyzer, a 3GHz oscilloscope and some other instruments which may be suitable to check what you need to know. If you can indicate to me specifically what to look for and it isn't too big of an effort I may be able to do some tests. I don't make youtube videos but I could send you results by email or something.
Even normal UPSes will have a switchover delay - the average is around 2 cycles or so (33 or 40ms, depending if you're 60 or 50 Hz). The only ones without a delay are the online UPSes which are way more expensive as they're running an inverter all the time.
I miss that garage
Love the nostalgic background!
Throwback Tuesday - videos from where it all began… the garage!
check the consumption when its off allpowers and goalzero have a terrible circuitry that drains the damn thing when not being used for weeks/months. ive added a hard-switch and voltmeter to mine to disconnect the battery completely and its been sitting here for a year and still got almost full charge.
I have a Goalzero and rough discharge rate is maybe 10%/month. Haven't really paid proper attention to this one, but doesn't seems that bad. But yes, non-zero.
@@EEVblog2 i know a electronics recycler that gets several of the goalzero every few months, even the big ones.
out of stores and customer returns. 90% of them have a dead flat battery from just sitting around in warehouses, brand new and allready dead. the other 10% are just blown up charging circuits from customers that didnt rtfm.
@@gamerpaddy Miss the Classic pull the plastic tab to connect the circuitry.
Did you notice that they put the AC power supply for the charging right in the back edge of the unit where it gets the least air flow ?
Allpowers sent me one of the smaller units to review and I also found the internal construction to be quite good.
These are fun. I bought an Oukitel 2000P two years ago (2000W, 2000Wh LiFePO4 basically), which I love by the way, but they made some serious mistakes in the wiring. They reversed the neutral and the hot on the plugs (American plugs). Since the AC input is not isolated from the AC output, this meant that ground was referenced to the hot on the output if the power station happened to be plugged into the wall.
I also had overheating issues at low (but continuous) output power levels because the fans were not turning on soon enough, so I went in and piggy-backed a resistor in parallel with the internal temperature sensor to make the unit think that it was hotter than it was, so its fans would turn on earlier.
-Matt
For those arguing about whether or not it should have an auto-shutdown - make it optional. My Bluetti (which I'm not promoting as it has other problems!) has an "eco" mode which switches off the outputs after 4 hours of insignificant load. When you consider that its 700W inverter has a 20W quiescent power drain, that can be worth having.
Surprised they used cylinder cells, many were using encased pouch previously.
Some of these do ups with auto recovery *power on after AC on
World be useful for that
The thing that puts me off these devices is how the batteries are so integrated, so the whole unit is e-waste once the batteries wear out. Its hard enough to dispose of old batteries in some places.
tbf. - Lifepo4 batteries will last you 10+ years.
The electronics will die long before that likely, making the point moot as it's all e-waste by then.
I think I would be perfectly happy with this unit.
please tell me, when the station is 100% charged, does it continue to make noise when charging? or do the coolers turn off? I mean the situation when nothing is connected to the station
Did you happen to test the no-load tare loss from the battery ?
Full power rating might be measured with resistive load for PF = 1. I would think that the IONIC has PFC built in ?
wondering if get 12v accu connect to solar input does that work
I had an Allpowers battery. It refused to charge after about a year and I no longer use it. I bought a different make. My brother bought one- it did not charge, simply a very very hot charger. He returned it.
Now it would be interesting to see how a retail model would be built vs one sent to you
This is the retail model.
I heard that crack, as long as that sounds is not Dave breaking up. :)
"It's not the years honey, it's the millage."
A damn nicely designed device! The inverter and BMS are serious business; I'd pack some better electrolytics though. Aishi don't look like up for some heavy lifting.
Looks like the inverter board was designed with a XT60 connector for the battery in mind, but they went over to soldering the cables in. Good enough for Australia since they're attached with screw terminals on the other side.
LTT, not Linus Tech Tips... probably. Mighty impressive batteries. I was expecting 21700 or some flat LiPo, this is a nice surprise.
Wondering about the audio issues here, the muffled mike (with treble going back intermittently) is getting pretty serious.
I don’t understand why the extra battery had the same chassis???
Split case probably simplifies manufacture.
Could you use something like that to clean up a generator supply? There's lots of power cuts where I am and I have a small generator but it's a rough sine wave output, if the unit was powered up from the rough old generator supply would it clean up the the output? The TV has a lot of lines on the screen when running directly off the generator. I'm wondering basically if it will act like a small UPS unit. So if it's plugged in, is the electronics that create the pure sine wave bypassed and you're back to raw mains.
I am using it almost like that, as a UPS. Not with as generator but the mains supply which until the utility repaired it a couple of weeks ago was a disaster. I did try it with a generator but for some odd reason it does not work. It's like there is something it doesn't like about the generator output and just ignores it. I have an incandescent lamp load also in parrallel with the generator to make sure it is not the generator that is shutting down due to overload or something but the lamp stays on steady all the time. The generator is a small 1KVA inverter generator. I haven't really pursued this far so I do not yet have a clue whether it is a poor waveform or maybe some earthing arrangement I am missing. It's quite possible that the issue is only with this specific generator.
@@listerdave1240 Thanks for the info, my generator is an old site gen set 2.5 KVA or maybe 3.5. it's waveform is rough. I was just wondering if the unit was on my gen supply and turned on would it still be using its own inverter and trying to charge the batteries at the same time or switch to bypass as its seen the mains available. I might download a manual. All the best Mark.
@@marcuswilliamobrien Given the sign wave glitches when switching between AC and battery, that to me suggests its doing straight passthrough when plugged into AC so it wouldn't clean up the input. Presumably one specifically with UPS mode will use the inverter at all times so would clean the input.
@@alexatkin I think you are right. What would do me is a large maybe 50 amp DC 12v or maybe 24v power supply feeding one of those pure sine wave inverters. No batteries needed as it would be running off the gen set. I'm sure something like that would sell if it was made. I wonder how many amps DC at 24v a 5KVA inverter would pull a lot I'd imagine.
You need an online UPS for that. They always run the power through the inverter, so you always get clean power.
Whoops, Thanks for the review. Paid Promo box not checked in YT Studio?
I’m surprised to see Dave shilling these like all the other TH-camrs, I thought he had a “no shilling” policy and only accepted mailbag free stuff
@@stevenhoneyman This literally is a free mailbag item, just like the hundreds of other items companies send in. I was not paid a cent for this.
Pretty sure I killed and Ecoflow by leaving the 110 on, unused, in the back of a truck. They did cover the warranty tho.
if could open it way nobody cant tell,you could probably replace that sticker what goes red eith regular one,if you printed one out and made it look very similar.
CPU is a Nation N32G455VEL7
N32G455 series uses a 32-bit ARM Cortex-M4 core with a maximum operating frequency of 144MHz, supporting floating point unit and DSP instructions, integrating up to 512KB Flash,144KB SRAM, and built in four 12bit 5Msps ADC. four independent rail-to-rail operational amplifiers, seven high-speed comparators, two 1Msps 12bit DAC, integrated multi-channel U(S)ART, I2C, SPI, QSPI, USB, CAN, SDIO communication interface, Built-in cryptographic algorithm hardware acceleration engine
It's charging at almost 1C. That seems like a rather high charge rate for a LiFePO4 battery. Most of them recommend a charge rate of less than 0.5C. I wonder if they did that to intentionally reduce the life of the battery.
It can be lowered in the phone app. They did that, because there is consumer demand of quick charge everywhere possible...
So it's not even 100ah at 12v?
Are XT60s mains rated?
No, they are not. The XT60 is only used for the solar panel input. They really should have used MC4 connectors though. I've never seen a solar panel come with an XT60.
@@rocketman221projects The PCB with the mains plugs on it is supplied with XT60s
@@rocketman221projects MC4s would be a pain in this portable application: not only are they larger, but twice as many connections to make and you need a tool to unlatch them. My Bluetti has an XT60 input too, and I did the same for a "home made" battery pack. I combine two panels with XT60s and use more to allow a power meter to be inserted. Plenty of friction so they don't fall out, and they cost pennies.
There is not enough tear in this tear down!
I literally tore the insulation cover off.
@@EEVblog2 I call that "tear off" not "tear down" ;-)
Looking at one of these, or the R3500 3600w/3kwh battery one* Cheers! Very impressed at the build quality and mains board build.
I've had one of those for just over a year, used mainly as backup for power cuts and have only good things to say about it. Just for giggles I tried doing a full laundry load in the washing machine and then the tumble dryer on it and it handled it just fine.
I still prefer small gas generators. More reliable in my view. Had bad experience with these battery type things
I really need to get me one of these
Well, they MUST have some kind of over-temp cut-off, somewhere. Perhaps your "a bit warm" condition didn't quite qualify for an emergency type shutdown. She'll be all right, no wuckas! 🙃
Just going to buy a box of DC cigarettes. Sales clerk wants me to ask what you recommend?
Tongue at the right angle.
Mic Check!!!
i see the power outlets are upside down
Of course they are, he's down under. Everything is upside down there.
That's what the rubber sealing plugs are for, stops the electrons from falling out.
th-cam.com/video/WFhk1aRqLD8/w-d-xo.html Does it actually have balancing or only individual cell group monitoring? I'd expect to see fatter resistors to achieve balancing, or maybe that's what all those 39 ohm ones are for? My Bluetti doesn't have balancing.
13:02 what's that inside the common mode choke toroids?
Based on the claimed Wh , they have a 22Ah cells in there...never heard of that capacity. 20Ah is more likely the case so the actual capacity will be around 1000Wh. I think marketing did a dirty on this companies reputation by inflating the claims. Silly buggers.
They are 6Ah cells.
@@EEVblog2 so 3 in parallel is 18Ah, 4 is 24Ah - still not 22Ah. The bottom line is they (marketing) just need to sell the truth, not make up BS to compensate for their inadequacy in marketing.
that mic argh. impossible.
Yeah, it sucks. But I wasn't going to reshoot it.
Just found out Hong Kong address was SHARED by multiple companies, well if the quaility is good, whatever!
Virtual offices are a very common thing in countries with very expensive real estate.
Losing effectiveness of the fans by having a hole on both sides of them... why?
Huh?
@@EEVblog2 There's an inch wide hole left, right, and between the fans. A lot of air being pushed by the fans is just gonna circle back around the fans and not go through the enclosure.
Air bypass, not sealed exhaust.
Dont turn it on.... SIT ON IT!
Good to do a teardown but mppts are garbage on these. And fans not reliable
Its definitely there but not here
Auto power off? I think no electronics feature in history has annoyed me more than devices that are not supposed to power off doing that nevertheless! Grrrrr....
My favourite is my Bluray player, as if its a BD-LIVE title and they haven't explicitly coded a memory - it forgets where you were if you pause it for too long.
@@alexatkin My TV will shut down if it has no input signal for a few seconds. Sometimes to fast to plug a USB device in. definately too fast when trying to adjust the sat dish.
My one monitor shuts down after so few sieconds without signal that rebooting the computer might trigger the issue.
More recent versions of Fedora Linux default to suspending the computer when its sitting idle for a while. That is new behaviour after an upgrade or new installation if the default hasn't explicitly changed by the system administrator. This sh*t meant I had to walk to all systems and change it and yes, it also disabled a server.
My microwave will reset itself after half a minute or so if the door was opened, say when stirring, adding or mixing something. Better remember how much time was left ...
One of my CD/DVD drives close the drawer after a few seconds. Even if my full mug of coffee is sitting there ;-) if the drawer closes and the medium in the drive isn't properly lying in the centre, the surface might get scratched. If you're really unlucky, that might make the medium unusable.
This is an incomplete list.
@@ralfbaechle That's weird, my TV waits I think 10-15 minutes.
And what’s the MSRP of that pos that won’t run anything significant for more than a few minutes?
Total waste of resources!
About an hour at 1KW is not enough for you? Have you seen the price of a UPS that can do that?
If it cost you nothing Dave, why not really test it? This is a fail whale. I wanted smokes and flames!
I wanna use it.
@@EEVblog2 Where's the fun in that for us lol!
Photonic induction style testing?
@@voltare2amstereo Yes!
ecoflow clone by the looks of it.
Mixed reviews. Solar input accepts max 60 volts. Maximum solar charging wattage (650W) is only achieved above 50 volts. I liked the teardown but I see too many Chinese components and it's far too complex for my liking. If you want to know what I like, I have a Statpower Prowatt 800 inverter from 1996 that still functions perfectly 28 years later. Most companies don't make electronics like that anymore.
Why would you want >650W solar charging on an 1100Wh battery? That's not the market for this capacity battery.
@@EEVblog2 In your video it was charging at almost 1000 watts from AC power. I'm not saying it HAS to take more than 650 watts - it just only takes that wattage in a very specific voltage range. What does it do if 60 volts is exceeded on solar input? Manual seems to indicate it will immediately stop solar input and wait for it to go under 60 volts again. You know that open circuit voltage on panels is much higher than max power voltage. Just 3 panels (12 volt nominal) in series is enough to get more than 60 volts open circuit.
@@Tooob Then make sure you only use matching panels. You can get an MC4 lead cable, so it's perfectly rated for a single large 400W+ panel.
S..t review 😅
If it can't be used as a UPS then it's useless to me. I prefer Prismatic Cells.... (MTBF)
It's not really the target market for these devices.