Frizt, The Wolverine just bumped itself back up to favorite medium mech. In this weekend's game, two equal forces had to control a pass. It was a Marauder, a Thunderbolt, and a Wolverine (team A) vs a Warhammer, a Crusader and a Shadow Hawk (Team B). There was a choke point an both sides knew the battle would be decided there. Team A charged the point, while team B hunkered down in range of the point so they could rain fire on anyone passing through. B sent the SH to stand in the gap and slow them down. The SH jumped behind the Marauder and Wound up punching it out with the Tbolt. The Wolverine moved in to finish the SH. Because of how B had set up, the Wolverine was savaged for three rounds by 2 PPC's, 30 LRM's, and whatever the SH could throw (not much). The Wolverine lost almost all armor, an arm, an AC, a laser, and suffered multiple internal hits to engine and gyro...but it JUST WOULD NOT go down. Team B wasted three full turns trying to take down the zombie Wolverine. On the fourth turn the pilot decided he had enough, and jumped out of there. The Warhammer could focus on the other mechs...where were they...there the Tbolt is...base to base. The Tbolt unloaded, and punched with both hands..while the Marauder was backing it up. In one round the Warhammer suffered an ungodly amount of damage, an engine hit, a gyro hit, and a cockpit hit. He fell over and the pilot went to sleep. They both turned to face the Crusader. He had a choice...face an untouched Marauder, a Thunderbolt that had just punched a Warhammer to death, and a pretty beat up SH...by himself...or he could leave. He threw up his arms and yelled "nope...hard nope...I'm out". If B had not focused all of their energy on one mech, they would never have allowed a Tbolt (and its three torso mounted lasers) to get that close. It made the kill, but the Wolverine won the battle. This was a tabble-top experience for the ages. THIS is why I play Battletech :)
Best medium mech: Vindicator. Good armor, good firepower, versatile. It can alpha strike with no heat issue standing still, it can do that for 4 turns walking, 2 running, 1 jumping full range.
Sole problem : the "no torso twist quirk" if yoy play with quirks. It's quite invalidating. I still fancy the vindicator though, specialy in lance or company sized teams where it's versatility is much appreciated
No love for the Crab? For about the same BV as a Wolverine, it has two Large Lasers and a backup Medium. It's also hard as nails with no ammo explosions to worry about. It's a little slow, but basically the perfect bodyguard mech or "pocket assault".
My son loves the dervish! He always seems to do good damage with it and it’s fun to play. With 2 Lrm10, 2 med laser, 2 srm 2. It is a good damage dealer at any range.
Phoenix Hawk has always been my favorite, not saying it is the strongest or even the best but I just love it and have learned to use it rather well(especially once in the invasion era). The Cicada is probably one of the worst pre invasion, though I believe with the upgrades of XL engine and such it becomes a beast post invasion able to be a very mobile sniper platform if the PPC version or skirmisher with the other versions post invasion. A pack of four zipping around can really prove fatal to even assaults.
The Phoenix Hawk is solid as hell. 6/9/6 movement, a Large Laser and two Mediums is great armament. It's got good enough armor to slug it out for a bit, it's just a good all-around striker.
Love the channel, love the game, love your tactica, humor and the BATTLETECH community is lucky to have you! That being said- WOLVERINE! my favorite favorite favorite mech ever. since my early teen years when I started playing TT, there was something about the Wolverine that grabbed me. In ever game, in every campaign, in every skirmish even just for 1 game outings with friends, WOLVERINE always leads my charge and serves generally as my personal mech to play in, command from. Love your channel, the stories from you and our community. Love you all Long live WOLVERINE
If the Clint had a PPC and the rest of the weight put into armor, people would be singing its praises as the best light medium level 1 mech. Yes it's poorly designed but I ran one for over a year in a MechWarrior campaign and somehow survived.
@@perigrin2115 I'd be a lot more keen to get into TT BattleTech if there was a streamlined reboot (a la DnD5e) that rebalanced the weapons and reduced the amount of modifiers you need to remember / tables you need to consult. I really enjoy the lore and aesthetics of BT but the complexity and jank are a barrier to entry for me. The AC/2 and AC/5 are just so bad I wonder what the hell the design intent was ("let's make a weapon so bad that we can use it to intentionally make Mechs/vehicles harmless with minimal effort?")
@@rdrrr Alpha Strike. Literally just play Alpha Strike. Its a modern, streamlined remake of the game. just got a new starter box too, which is an incredible starter.
Ever try the Ceppelin varient of the Cicada? Ppc and 2machienguns can be scary. The weak point of the cicada is its inability to torso twist. If playing in that way quirked, its detramental, without junpjets added on by The Free Worlds League remarket if the Cicada, with an XL engine. The Cicada C3 was my batttletech intro mech on tabbletop. So it has a place in my heart, fast and powerfull, abble to snipe at a distance and give hell- But of corse old cappelin mechs always had a thing, for using trying to punch above a mechs weight class. As the CCAF had to utalizes thier recorcess were they had then as they got spread thin. Meta wise yes, all speed freaks, kinda crumple, and should ytalize jumpjets to stay prevalent. As often the plotting neaded to keep a light to light medium mech safe, takes some carfull planning and stratagy.
The Cicada and clint are my 2 low tier ones (the clint simply because it is very lacking in backup after the ammo is gone) The best is kinda a mix.. Shadowhawk is the swiss army option, Centurion is the trooper (very good damage spread, just lacks JJs and extra speed). The Vindicator is a nice one as well. That is the problem with mediums and most heavies, there is a ton of good mechs in the weight class that can fill what I call the trooper role. Decent across the board, good for multiple engagement ranges, etc. I know a lot prefer their specialized ones, but for me the best is one that works well at multiple roles.
Agreed hear I generally feel lights almost have to specialize but meds and heavys actually do better when versatile worst would be cicada though Clint is not as bad though it is bad and for best hhmm so hard but I generally agree with fritz gear wolverine is the king of the pile so many good ones I just feel that the wolverine edges them out
Hard class to judge. I like a lot of mids, but looking back on my experiences, one mid that I've never had a problem with is the Whitworth. It doesn't get a lot of love, and even less glory, but it always finds a way to justify itself in my lances. Twenty LRMs out of two launchers, three medium lasers, and jump capability for less than 1000 BV is hard to argue with. It can fill in a bunch of roles for me as the game progresses, and it's that versatility that I find makes for a good medium mech. The worst mid, for me, is the Vulcan, for the opposite reason: it's too specialized. I can find roles for the Cicada to perform, like as a scout or as a light mech mugger, but the Vulcan is a very specialized infantry hunter, like the Firestarter. The thing is, a lot of mechs can do that role (even the Locust or the Stinger), and outside of that role, I don't find many uses for the Vulcan in a game plan.
I would nominate the Crab as best Medium Mech. Good speed, looks like an Assault Mech, and is an Energy Boat completely independent of ammunition concerns. Lack of Jump Jets is a drawback. Agreed the Cicada is pretty terrible pound for pound, which is undoubtedly why the DCMS uses them in swarms.
There are a lot of good Medium Mechs like the Phoenix Hawk, the Vindicator, the Hunchback or the Griffin but my absolut favorite is the Wolverine WVR-6M! It has better firepower, armor and endurance than the stock Wolverine. The Large Laser is a huge improvement over the AC/5 and it has a much better chance to penetrate the rear armor of many medium and heavy Mechs. On the other side I agree that the Cicada is not a good Mech but I would like to add the Assassin - very agile but terrible armor and firepower.
Succession era, I prefer the Centurion. Yes, it doesn't have the mobility of the Wolverine or the Phoenix Hawk, but the LRMs and autocannon give it a ranged punch that you don't find in a lot of medium 'Mechs. Now, if we can toss in designs created after the Helm Memory Core arrived on the scene, then my allegiance goes to the SHD-5D. Before that design the Shadow Hawk, while not a bad design, tries to do too much to be an objectively good 'Mech on it's own. The -5D, however, gets enough extra oomph with its upgrades that it starts to shine much more.
Favorite Medium is the Phoenix Hawk. I really enjoy the 6/9/6 mobility and the Large Laser range and firepower. The machine guns are only good for close backstabbing and anti-infantry, but the PHX-1D variant ditches them for a much needed heat sink. The mech itself is a blast furnace but so much fun to play. Close seconds would be the Vindicator or the Boackjack for their snioing ability and their jump movement. On medium mech I hate to play is the Clint. It is basically a light mech with medium mech cost. You would be better off with a wasp or two for the BV.
This reminded me. Fritz mentioned that the Stinger was his pick for worst light. In a way, the Phoenix Hawk is a grown up Stinger with more armor and strapping on a Large Laser and second medium laser. Now it becomes so much more effective in this era and is in the lore one of the favorite Command Mechs for light 'Mech lances. Lovely backstabbing 'Mech too, just watch out for 10-point damage blasts to the head as that will kill your 'Mechwarrior.
Best is so hard to decide because there is a lot of bias to pick favorite mechs. My pick for best I want to choose the Centurion or Crab but the Hunchback has a certain 'oh shit' gut reaction when it shows up that makes me give it the spot. When a mechs biggest flaw is that it is so dangerous that it is automatically the primary target of every enemy mech it deserves some recognition. For worst the Cicada probably wins but the Vulcan gets a dishonorable mention.
It's hard for me to lay down my favorite Medium, but my current go-to is the Wolverine (but that's probably because I don't have a Centurion, and I'm partial to playing the model). My least favorite is probably the Hoplite. I don't like it's looks, it doesn't have energy weapons, and the weapons it does have are basically a weak Centurion. The Assassin (possibly my second least favorite) at least has speed to compensate for its weakness, as does the Cicada.
3:24 you almost place that order, it sounds like you are on the fence, you should have been shopping at Discount Dan's, he would have pushed you off that fence 😀.
Best medium mech, either the Griffin or the Phoenix Hawk LAM (cus it was so good, getting it ended Crescent Hawks Inception). Best by Aesthetics: Shadow Hawk, but it didn't really see its true value unless it was the SLDF Royal or the 5M and later. Case helps the Shadow Hawk so much. Worst medium mech: CDA-2A Cicada.
What do you think of the Shadow Hawk compared to the Wolverine? Myself I've always liked having that lrm 5 for bit more long-range, versus the super heavy close-range srm.
I am a big fan of the Shadowhawk. But you have to keep that mech moving. It is not as tough as the Wolverine and doesn’t have the bite that the WVR has. The armor on the SHD is close, but WVR beats it out by a few points. Finally WVR has a longer jump range (5 Hexes), SHD has only a 3. Dispute those differences I love the Shadow Hawk and would be happy to run one of those.
Much as the WVR-6R is a solid trooper, I'll take the Large Laser and added armor of the -6K or -6M any day. I hate that the -6K loses its jump jets, but it mounts more arnor than some heavies, and the lack of jump jets means it manages its heat more effectively for prolonged engagements.
When it comes to the top-tier stuff, I'd say that it really depends. But I'd say that the upper echelon is, more or less (in no particular order): Shadow Hawk, Centurion, Vindicator, Hunchback (4P, not an AC variant), and Wolverine. Definitely agreed with you on an AC20 Hunchback having too many eggs in one basket. But a 4P with 8 mediums and a small, makes for a very interesting presence on the field.
My vote for best has to be the HBK-4P. It has enough heat sinks that once you get in medium laser range you can keep blasting away with 6 Medium lasers and still have the battlefists available. If only 4 of those lasers hit you are forcing a PSR. Great armor, the only drawback is the speed.
Finished the build of a "Super Locust", built around a Cicada chassis. Light engine, more armor, more weapons. Can't wait to test it on the old hexmap.
Medium 'Mechs the work horses of the BattleTech Universe. 3025: Best 'Mech is the Phoenix Hawk it moves 6/9/6 with excellent armor and good weapons selection. Worst 'Mech is Hoplite with it's pitiful speed and firepower, it has max armor and it needs it to survive. Though I must admit the Cicada is a very close second.
Cicada 3C ain't that bad, fastest non-vee PPC in game, with some MGs for anit-infantry. Course could be better off just dropping the MGs for an extra HS and or armor, or swapping over to a LL and Flamer. As for the worst... Scorpion, because much like the Cicada 2 series it's too fast for it's own good. As for the best... Hunchback, particularly the 4P, because nothing beats 8 MLs in a brawl, save for maybe 9.
Medium is very difficult because due to tonnage restrictions for me, but these are my picks: Non-variants, but these are 3025R and not in the original 3025: Best: CRB-20 Crab, Warhammer-lite with twin Large Lasers, no ammo explosions to worry about, good armor, good heat management, decent speed. Only downside is that it is not jump capable. Worst: STL-3K Sentinel, Vulcan has a very specialized role, but this 'Mech ball not only mounts terrible weapons (AC/5,SRM2,SL), but also has no auxiliary backup role and has poor armor. Even the Hermes II has a Flamer... Variants: Best: WVR-6M Wolverine, this Marik Wolverine is my pick for best medium 'Mech for the Succession Wars. Excellent Cav 'Mech and worth upgrading to if you are in House Marik service as it effectively nearly doubles the regular Wolverine 6R damage output in all but 16-18 hexes. Check out the First Succession War Sourcebook for a writeup. Worst: SHD-2D Shadow Hawk, absolute trash variant. Why on earth would you remove armor to put on just an SRM-2 and more ammo? This 55-ton 'Mech has the less armor than a 35-ton Valkyrie and shorter jump to boot. You aren't right in saying Cicada is bad, it's just an over engined medium. The only exception is the PPC variant but that's very rare and has... machine gun knees. 😅
It is not the first time I heavy Wolverine being cited among the best mediums. It is a trooper kind of mech, much in the style of Centurion, or Shadow Hawk, or Enforcer. Can do just about anything - and while it will lose to more specialised machines, it can do a bit of everything - and can plug any gaps you may have. I would probably also consider Crab - fast, reasonably well protected, and packing a pair of LLs - that is decent enough firepower so that it can't be easily ignored. Good alternative for long campaigns, and if you feel paranoid about running out of ammo. I'm a bit conflicted about Cicada being the worst, because this is kind of a mech that I want to like... But let's be real - it is a very fat light mech, really, beyong the PPC-carrying variant, it is just questionable. You have vastly superior mediums for proper medium role. And if you want to hunt those annoying light mechs, you have stuff like... say Phoenix Hawk. I mean, Cicada is not even a very good light mech hunter, due to abysmal armour. The only mech I think could be similarly bad is Assassin.
Best medium mech. Shadow hawk-K variation. Kurita made them and they have the very best balance of long and short range firepower/mobility/heat curve/armor for the Battle value.
I'd have a hard time choosing the worst, since most of the 40-tonners are solid contenders. That weight level just seems to be really difficult to balance. Best... hm. I have a real fondness for the Vindicator, but most Wolverine variants make solid all-rounders (aside from a typical lack of LRMs). So I pretty much agree with you for both categories.
Assassin is a really good 40-tonner. Can’t take a hit and not much damaged per individual weapon, but with that jump7 you can get into the rear arc and just open up. There is a really awesome video of an assassin doing just that on Ouchie’s Batreps.
Worst Sentinel tries to do to much. Clint takes second place as it may jump. Best. I would agree with the Walvy as its does the job of medium battlemech best. But if you need recon the Phawk. Vindicator as a sniper to contest areas. I have to go for the role they play. Three is what I must give as you did not ask for what they must be best at.
For Classic Battletech my favourite medium is still the Shadow Hawk 2H. For Alpha Strike the Trebuchet has been crazy bang for the buck in the games I've fielded it in.
I'm a big fan of the mediums; need a pocket heavy? Hunchback, 4/6 with the armor of a Warhammer, and firepower comparable to a Marader. What about an LRM boat? Trebuchets. Fast response mechs? Wolverine, Griffin, Shadow Hawk. Scout that can take more than one hit? Phoenix Hawk.
I like the Trebuchet, with great speed for a fire-support machine and meaty LRM 15 launchers. When ammo runs dry, it’s not too tough to either flee or run up and use those those medium lasers. And I agree with Cicada for worst medium.
Stock cicada’s aren’t really all that good except for the ppc variant, or rather, there’s typically better options for less tonnage. Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, or Centurion for best.
The Crab has never let me down, but I’ll always love the Phoenix Hawk. It looks great, and means you can always put something your opponent doesn’t want somewhere he doesn’t want it. Worst? The Sentinel. An AC5 does not a sniper make, especially when paired with an oversized engine, weak armour, an utterly pathetic selection of close-in weapons (which break) and so much ammo on board it’ll explode for four-score and eighty days if you do much as look at it funny.
my favorite has to be enforcer. Solid damage at medium range with same brackets, and you can jumpjet and have almost maximum armor. Hard to go wrong with that
Best : Dervish, plenty of firepower, good mobility, works really nice as a budget Archer (If you wanna go all in on long range then Trebuchet) Worst: Hermes II no useful firepower (basically has 1 thing to fire for each rangeband, but no quantity or redundancy), meh mobility, terrible armor. Cicada is still worse, but at least it has 2 medium lasers in the same rangeband.
(Sorry to necro your comment, but...) Lock 'n load some flak ammo into that Hermes II's autocannon, and it makes a good "ghetto-AA gun" that can also cook infantry. You lose the ability to make called shots with the AC5, but gain anti-air that's fast enough to keep up with your recon lance yet cheap enough to squeeze into a heavy lance for those problems that "just aren't worth sending a Warhammer." Plus it does the same damage to (non-immobile) 'mechs either way. Love the Dervish too, btw.
Mediums are another hard one to call. Need fire support? Vindicator, Hunchback 4J, and Blackjack 1 are good mechs. No better bodyguard mech then the Hunchback 4G at this era. Scouts? Phoenix Hawks, Cicada's, Assassins, and Vulcan. But for the Succession wars I'd have to say the Wolverine 6M. Its got a large to close and medium lasers and SRM 6's do work at closed ranges. Other era's only make Mediums better. Even comparing newer variants of, say, the phoenix hawk to something like the Komodo and you still get good value. However there was one mech ever banned from tournaments, the Wraith TR-1. Make of that as you will. Good mech, best medium? Not sure, after all the WoB did put out a Gyro-less medium mech capable of putting 20 damage to a mech from 18 hexes away. The worst medium mech. Oh boy, I'm torn. I absolutely HATE the Griffin 1N. That thing farts too hard and overheats real bad. Get in its face and all it has is harsh language (I don't count melee because EVERY mech can melee). But no, I think the worst medium mech is the Dervish 6M. Why you ask? It has long range, couple medium range weapons, and is a 5/8/5. Two issues with this mech. #1 it has low armor. Only 120 out of 185. All the other 55 ton mechs (minus the scorpion 1N) have more armor. #2 and this is the HUGE problem for me. It has TWO tons of SRM 2 ammo for only two launchers. People don't like machine guns because most early mechs bring a 400 point bomb with it. Why is it okay for the Dervish to have TWO 400 point bombs. Oh you crit my arm? Guess I'll just die now.
Issues with the Dervish use informo ammo. Cooks chick, infantry, buildings, Stalkers, and provides you with light at night. After you try this product you will be wishing for a second SRM or reloads.
@@Magermh Still doesn't solve the problem of having a 50 point bomb in both of your arms. Still doesn't solve the problem of needing an 8 on the cluster chart to hit with both missiles. Rather flamers against infantry, never played a scenario where i need to destroy a building (and even if I did, punching it goes faster), that stalker may be a hot box but 2 extra heat a turn? woo, and playing with night rules is absolutely horrible unless its megamek. Night rules slow the game down sooo much and you have to make constant pilot checks just to walk. But you know what, I'll meet you half way. Give me SRM 2 rules from Battledroids and they become a GREAT weapon. SRM2's made 0 heat in battledroids. Sure I'll take a 9 hex machine gun weapon.
Worst, Assassin: Yes very flexible in movement, but a very inconsistent damage profile. Best, Wolverine: I agree it's a good little "trooper Mech", and I saw someone mention the Crab but though it has a all energy weapon benefit, that isn't as maneuverable as the Wolvie.
Best medium has to be the KTO-19 Kintaro. One of the most powerful alpha strikes in battletech, good speed, reasonable armor. It runs hot but it outguns some assault mechs in close range, it can close in on slower targets and rip them apart. For the opposite/worst mech in medium tonnage, I'd pick the ASN-21 Assassin; always bothered me for being too undergunned to do the job of a hunter-killer.
Standard Griffin. Just keep moving it into optimal support fire position and adding its long range damage into the other fights that evolve on the field.
I have to say, I have a grave dislike of the Hunchback. Sure, it's deadly enough, at relatively short ranges. But it's a one-trick pony, and really has very little to mitigate damage, as well as being a fire magnet - until that AC20 is dead, at which point it is ignorable. My favourite is the Griffin. It still hits hard, has jump, and if you lose your primary weapon, you still have an LRM-10 pack to fall back on. Sure, it's optimized for long ranges, but it's an excellent and deadly mech when at long range.
I agree on the worst. I would say the shadow hawk is arguably the best, because its always able to engage and put preassure on the enemy regardless of range.
Best medium? I am in favour of hunchback 4P for that. A bit scattery but lots of hit rolls for those hard shots, odds are something will connect. Worst? Cicada, hate that useless hunk of junk, 10 tons to heavy, get a Hussar and you get a better mech everytime
No surprises the original Cicada is your worst. It's one of the worst cases of Charger syndrome outside the Charger itself and I can't dispute its position as the worst medium mech. Runner up for worst is the Hunchback. The combination of slow movement and an exclusively short ranged armament is just not acceptable in my eyes. But at least it's not outperformed by a mech half its weight. For best I have to give the nod to the Phoenix Hawk just because it violates the nearly ironclad rule that any canonical mech near an optimum weight/speed combination has to have some other gratuitous flaw.
Best: Wolverine and Griffin. Worst: Cicada. I'll still use it, but it's a bottom draft pic. Not Best But Still Love: Phoenix Hawk LAM. Not practical or good, but fun.
Shadow hawk really does nothing well. It is a mech that stripping it and starting over is how I start every game I field. Like the enforcer. Ac 10 large lazer make any range your sweet spot.
I'd say the number 1 medium is the centurion cuz its so beginner friendly! Most jack of all trades mech! Has decent armor decent speed and decent firepower at all ranges!
For me it’s a tossup between the -6M Wolverine and the Vindicator for best Mech. The worst though I’d probably lean to the Assassin. The Cicada is bad but in my opinion the Assassin is worse.
Ok, so i have two for best Medium mech 1. Hunch back, Give me that Baller any day, What a Mech, You see this guy, you have to take it down, AC20, and Fists Geting up in your FACE! its intimidating, it pouts a pressure on your opponent. and i hear you its an all or nothing mech, thats why if you want take the HBK-4P Variant, SO MANNY medium lasers. non Ammo Reliant, SO MUCH LAZOR!!!! VARRY WOW! in-fact it has even more potential damage then the standerd, just not an all or one, 2. Phoenix Hawk LAM. By far the best Lam, but it just give you Options, and in a campaign ( RPG) its a Mech with a not just tactical Flexibly, but also Strategic. Need a Fast redeploy to another battlefield? Phoenix Hawk LAM, Need a Mech that can swoop in and quickly steal the data core or objective? BAM! Phoenix Hawk Lam, its a Flexible Mech and can be a long rang harasser, and an objective graber, and even its stander mech is still a good mech. as for worst, i hate to say the Shadow Hawk, but it just fells like it dosent do enough
I'd say my favorite medium mech is the Phoenix-Hawk, due to its balance of speed, maneuverability, armor, and firepower. my least favorite would have to be the Blackjack. It's slow, and packs no decent long range punch, due to its main weapons being a pair of AC/2's.... goddamned AC/2's! ... whoever intentionally puts an AC/2 on a Battlemech should be dragged out into the street and shot, but not with an AC/2, with something more powerful, like a SMALL LASER!!!
Agree on the cicada. It is just bad. Solution to a problem that does not exist. The shadowhawk is one that has been hit and mostly miss for me, but for bad, the cicada floors it. I'd wager, that if not for the charger and executioner, the cicada would be worst mech in game.
Vulcan as the worst, Hunchback as the best. Sure, Hunchy doesn't have range, but it has to be dealt with. If you have a Wolverine and a Hunchback charging you, you fire on that Hunchback as the bigger threat.
Frizt, The Wolverine just bumped itself back up to favorite medium mech. In this weekend's game, two equal forces had to control a pass. It was a Marauder, a Thunderbolt, and a Wolverine (team A) vs a Warhammer, a Crusader and a Shadow Hawk (Team B). There was a choke point an both sides knew the battle would be decided there. Team A charged the point, while team B hunkered down in range of the point so they could rain fire on anyone passing through. B sent the SH to stand in the gap and slow them down. The SH jumped behind the Marauder and Wound up punching it out with the Tbolt. The Wolverine moved in to finish the SH. Because of how B had set up, the Wolverine was savaged for three rounds by 2 PPC's, 30 LRM's, and whatever the SH could throw (not much). The Wolverine lost almost all armor, an arm, an AC, a laser, and suffered multiple internal hits to engine and gyro...but it JUST WOULD NOT go down. Team B wasted three full turns trying to take down the zombie Wolverine. On the fourth turn the pilot decided he had enough, and jumped out of there. The Warhammer could focus on the other mechs...where were they...there the Tbolt is...base to base. The Tbolt unloaded, and punched with both hands..while the Marauder was backing it up. In one round the Warhammer suffered an ungodly amount of damage, an engine hit, a gyro hit, and a cockpit hit. He fell over and the pilot went to sleep. They both turned to face the Crusader. He had a choice...face an untouched Marauder, a Thunderbolt that had just punched a Warhammer to death, and a pretty beat up SH...by himself...or he could leave. He threw up his arms and yelled "nope...hard nope...I'm out". If B had not focused all of their energy on one mech, they would never have allowed a Tbolt (and its three torso mounted lasers) to get that close. It made the kill, but the Wolverine won the battle. This was a tabble-top experience for the ages. THIS is why I play Battletech :)
Hell yeah dude
Best medium mech: Vindicator. Good armor, good firepower, versatile. It can alpha strike with no heat issue standing still, it can do that for 4 turns walking, 2 running, 1 jumping full range.
Sole problem : the "no torso twist quirk" if yoy play with quirks. It's quite invalidating. I still fancy the vindicator though, specialy in lance or company sized teams where it's versatility is much appreciated
Question; what is an alpha strike?
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All weapons fired at once.
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@@julienseitz1350 Well that quirknhas been deleted from basically every mecb since you made that post.
No love for the Crab? For about the same BV as a Wolverine, it has two Large Lasers and a backup Medium. It's also hard as nails with no ammo explosions to worry about. It's a little slow, but basically the perfect bodyguard mech or "pocket assault".
Loss of the jumpjets hurts its maneuverability.
At 86kph I wouldn't say it's that slow.
My son loves the dervish! He always seems to do good damage with it and it’s fun to play. With 2 Lrm10, 2 med laser, 2 srm 2. It is a good damage dealer at any range.
Phoenix Hawk has always been my favorite, not saying it is the strongest or even the best but I just love it and have learned to use it rather well(especially once in the invasion era). The Cicada is probably one of the worst pre invasion, though I believe with the upgrades of XL engine and such it becomes a beast post invasion able to be a very mobile sniper platform if the PPC version or skirmisher with the other versions post invasion. A pack of four zipping around can really prove fatal to even assaults.
PHX is my pick too, for the best all-around medium. A lance of the classic 55-tonners is never wrong, though!
The Phoenix Hawk is solid as hell. 6/9/6 movement, a Large Laser and two Mediums is great armament. It's got good enough armor to slug it out for a bit, it's just a good all-around striker.
With all these best and worst videos Fritz is making me wanna make a F tier lance just for the fun of it.
Is the F for Fritz? Or for battletech “Fine” XD.
All seriusnes ited be interesting to watch, the bad batch lance go at it.
Love the channel, love the game, love your tactica, humor and the BATTLETECH community is lucky to have you!
That being said- WOLVERINE! my favorite favorite favorite mech ever.
since my early teen years when I started playing TT, there was something about the Wolverine that grabbed me. In ever game, in every campaign, in every skirmish even just for 1 game outings with friends, WOLVERINE always leads my charge and serves generally as my personal mech to play in, command from.
Love your channel, the stories from you and our community. Love you all
Long live WOLVERINE
Like the vid, but showing pics of these mechs miniatures as you talk about them would be nice.
The Centurion is the final word in 3025 medium mechs. And my god the Clint is a miserable machine.
I love that in their background lore they were special and idolized XD supoibky turning tides of major conflicts.
If the Clint had a PPC and the rest of the weight put into armor, people would be singing its praises as the best light medium level 1 mech. Yes it's poorly designed but I ran one for over a year in a MechWarrior campaign and somehow survived.
@@psychkosys Yeah, the Clint falls victim to the general "Has an AC-5" syndrome that infests 3025 medium mechs. AC-5s are just miserably bad.
@@perigrin2115 I'd be a lot more keen to get into TT BattleTech if there was a streamlined reboot (a la DnD5e) that rebalanced the weapons and reduced the amount of modifiers you need to remember / tables you need to consult.
I really enjoy the lore and aesthetics of BT but the complexity and jank are a barrier to entry for me.
The AC/2 and AC/5 are just so bad I wonder what the hell the design intent was ("let's make a weapon so bad that we can use it to intentionally make Mechs/vehicles harmless with minimal effort?")
@@rdrrr Alpha Strike. Literally just play Alpha Strike. Its a modern, streamlined remake of the game. just got a new starter box too, which is an incredible starter.
Ever try the Ceppelin varient of the Cicada? Ppc and 2machienguns can be scary.
The weak point of the cicada is its inability to torso twist. If playing in that way quirked, its detramental, without junpjets added on by The Free Worlds League remarket if the Cicada, with an XL engine.
The Cicada C3 was my batttletech intro mech on tabbletop. So it has a place in my heart, fast and powerfull, abble to snipe at a distance and give hell-
But of corse old cappelin mechs always had a thing, for using trying to punch above a mechs weight class. As the CCAF had to utalizes thier recorcess were they had then as they got spread thin.
Meta wise yes, all speed freaks, kinda crumple, and should ytalize jumpjets to stay prevalent. As often the plotting neaded to keep a light to light medium mech safe, takes some carfull planning and stratagy.
The Cicada and clint are my 2 low tier ones (the clint simply because it is very lacking in backup after the ammo is gone)
The best is kinda a mix.. Shadowhawk is the swiss army option, Centurion is the trooper (very good damage spread, just lacks JJs and extra speed). The Vindicator is a nice one as well.
That is the problem with mediums and most heavies, there is a ton of good mechs in the weight class that can fill what I call the trooper role.
Decent across the board, good for multiple engagement ranges, etc. I know a lot prefer their specialized ones, but for me the best is one that works well at multiple roles.
Agreed hear I generally feel lights almost have to specialize but meds and heavys actually do better when versatile worst would be cicada though Clint is not as bad though it is bad and for best hhmm so hard but I generally agree with fritz gear wolverine is the king of the pile so many good ones I just feel that the wolverine edges them out
Hard class to judge. I like a lot of mids, but looking back on my experiences, one mid that I've never had a problem with is the Whitworth. It doesn't get a lot of love, and even less glory, but it always finds a way to justify itself in my lances. Twenty LRMs out of two launchers, three medium lasers, and jump capability for less than 1000 BV is hard to argue with. It can fill in a bunch of roles for me as the game progresses, and it's that versatility that I find makes for a good medium mech.
The worst mid, for me, is the Vulcan, for the opposite reason: it's too specialized. I can find roles for the Cicada to perform, like as a scout or as a light mech mugger, but the Vulcan is a very specialized infantry hunter, like the Firestarter. The thing is, a lot of mechs can do that role (even the Locust or the Stinger), and outside of that role, I don't find many uses for the Vulcan in a game plan.
The -5T is the only Vulcan worth a damn in 3025.
I would nominate the Crab as best Medium Mech. Good speed, looks like an Assault Mech, and is an Energy Boat completely independent of ammunition concerns. Lack of Jump Jets is a drawback. Agreed the Cicada is pretty terrible pound for pound, which is undoubtedly why the DCMS uses them in swarms.
There are a lot of good Medium Mechs like the Phoenix Hawk, the Vindicator, the Hunchback or the Griffin but
my absolut favorite is the Wolverine WVR-6M! It has better firepower, armor and endurance than the stock Wolverine.
The Large Laser is a huge improvement over the AC/5 and it has a much better chance to penetrate the rear armor of many medium and heavy Mechs.
On the other side I agree that the Cicada is not a good Mech but I would like to add the Assassin - very agile but terrible armor and firepower.
Best - Phoenix Hawk. I like the Enforcer. Close thirds are Centurion and Bushwhacker. I can not find a worst, they all do good at what they are.
Succession era, I prefer the Centurion. Yes, it doesn't have the mobility of the Wolverine or the Phoenix Hawk, but the LRMs and autocannon give it a ranged punch that you don't find in a lot of medium 'Mechs. Now, if we can toss in designs created after the Helm Memory Core arrived on the scene, then my allegiance goes to the SHD-5D. Before that design the Shadow Hawk, while not a bad design, tries to do too much to be an objectively good 'Mech on it's own. The -5D, however, gets enough extra oomph with its upgrades that it starts to shine much more.
Favorite Medium is the Phoenix Hawk. I really enjoy the 6/9/6 mobility and the Large Laser range and firepower. The machine guns are only good for close backstabbing and anti-infantry, but the PHX-1D variant ditches them for a much needed heat sink. The mech itself is a blast furnace but so much fun to play. Close seconds would be the Vindicator or the Boackjack for their snioing ability and their jump movement.
On medium mech I hate to play is the Clint. It is basically a light mech with medium mech cost. You would be better off with a wasp or two for the BV.
This reminded me. Fritz mentioned that the Stinger was his pick for worst light.
In a way, the Phoenix Hawk is a grown up Stinger with more armor and strapping on a Large Laser and second medium laser. Now it becomes so much more effective in this era and is in the lore one of the favorite Command Mechs for light 'Mech lances. Lovely backstabbing 'Mech too, just watch out for 10-point damage blasts to the head as that will kill your 'Mechwarrior.
PHX could definitely use more head armor. Maybe use a half ton of MG ammo since the magazines are kind of explody anyhow.
Best is so hard to decide because there is a lot of bias to pick favorite mechs. My pick for best I want to choose the Centurion or Crab but the Hunchback has a certain 'oh shit' gut reaction when it shows up that makes me give it the spot. When a mechs biggest flaw is that it is so dangerous that it is automatically the primary target of every enemy mech it deserves some recognition.
For worst the Cicada probably wins but the Vulcan gets a dishonorable mention.
It's hard for me to lay down my favorite Medium, but my current go-to is the Wolverine (but that's probably because I don't have a Centurion, and I'm partial to playing the model). My least favorite is probably the Hoplite. I don't like it's looks, it doesn't have energy weapons, and the weapons it does have are basically a weak Centurion. The Assassin (possibly my second least favorite) at least has speed to compensate for its weakness, as does the Cicada.
3:24 you almost place that order, it sounds like you are on the fence, you should have been shopping at Discount Dan's, he would have pushed you off that fence 😀.
Best medium mech, either the Griffin or the Phoenix Hawk LAM (cus it was so good, getting it ended Crescent Hawks Inception). Best by Aesthetics: Shadow Hawk, but it didn't really see its true value unless it was the SLDF Royal or the 5M and later. Case helps the Shadow Hawk so much. Worst medium mech: CDA-2A Cicada.
What do you think of the Shadow Hawk compared to the Wolverine? Myself I've always liked having that lrm 5 for bit more long-range, versus the super heavy close-range srm.
I am a big fan of the Shadowhawk. But you have to keep that mech moving. It is not as tough as the Wolverine and doesn’t have the bite that the WVR has.
The armor on the SHD is close, but WVR beats it out by a few points.
Finally WVR has a longer jump range (5 Hexes), SHD has only a 3. Dispute those differences I love the Shadow Hawk and would be happy to run one of those.
Much as the WVR-6R is a solid trooper, I'll take the Large Laser and added armor of the -6K or -6M any day. I hate that the -6K loses its jump jets, but it mounts more arnor than some heavies, and the lack of jump jets means it manages its heat more effectively for prolonged engagements.
When it comes to the top-tier stuff, I'd say that it really depends. But I'd say that the upper echelon is, more or less (in no particular order):
Shadow Hawk, Centurion, Vindicator, Hunchback (4P, not an AC variant), and Wolverine.
Definitely agreed with you on an AC20 Hunchback having too many eggs in one basket. But a 4P with 8 mediums and a small, makes for a very interesting presence on the field.
My vote for best has to be the HBK-4P. It has enough heat sinks that once you get in medium laser range you can keep blasting away with 6 Medium lasers and still have the battlefists available. If only 4 of those lasers hit you are forcing a PSR. Great armor, the only drawback is the speed.
Finished the build of a "Super Locust", built around a Cicada chassis. Light engine, more armor, more weapons. Can't wait to test it on the old hexmap.
I have to go with my Shadow Hawk. No matter what I try, I cannot get that sucker to overheat.
Medium 'Mechs the work horses of the BattleTech Universe. 3025: Best 'Mech is the Phoenix Hawk it moves 6/9/6 with excellent armor and good weapons selection. Worst 'Mech is Hoplite with it's pitiful speed and firepower, it has max armor and it needs it to survive. Though I must admit the Cicada is a very close second.
Cicada 3C ain't that bad, fastest non-vee PPC in game, with some MGs for anit-infantry. Course could be better off just dropping the MGs for an extra HS and or armor, or swapping over to a LL and Flamer.
As for the worst... Scorpion, because much like the Cicada 2 series it's too fast for it's own good.
As for the best... Hunchback, particularly the 4P, because nothing beats 8 MLs in a brawl, save for maybe 9.
Medium is very difficult because due to tonnage restrictions for me, but these are my picks:
Non-variants, but these are 3025R and not in the original 3025:
Best: CRB-20 Crab, Warhammer-lite with twin Large Lasers, no ammo explosions to worry about, good armor, good heat management, decent speed. Only downside is that it is not jump capable.
Worst: STL-3K Sentinel, Vulcan has a very specialized role, but this 'Mech ball not only mounts terrible weapons (AC/5,SRM2,SL), but also has no auxiliary backup role and has poor armor. Even the Hermes II has a Flamer...
Variants:
Best: WVR-6M Wolverine, this Marik Wolverine is my pick for best medium 'Mech for the Succession Wars. Excellent Cav 'Mech and worth upgrading to if you are in House Marik service as it effectively nearly doubles the regular Wolverine 6R damage output in all but 16-18 hexes. Check out the First Succession War Sourcebook for a writeup.
Worst: SHD-2D Shadow Hawk, absolute trash variant. Why on earth would you remove armor to put on just an SRM-2 and more ammo? This 55-ton 'Mech has the less armor than a 35-ton Valkyrie and shorter jump to boot.
You aren't right in saying Cicada is bad, it's just an over engined medium. The only exception is the PPC variant but that's very rare and has... machine gun knees. 😅
Have a look at the SHD-2N, a vast improvement. LL; LRM10; ML; SRM4, still has only 3 jump though.
Honestly I kinda like the Sentinel.
It's very cheap, but still does a fine(ish) job of holding something down.
It is not the first time I heavy Wolverine being cited among the best mediums.
It is a trooper kind of mech, much in the style of Centurion, or Shadow Hawk, or Enforcer.
Can do just about anything - and while it will lose to more specialised machines, it can do a bit of everything - and can plug any gaps you may have.
I would probably also consider Crab - fast, reasonably well protected, and packing a pair of LLs - that is decent enough firepower so that it can't be easily ignored. Good alternative for long campaigns, and if you feel paranoid about running out of ammo.
I'm a bit conflicted about Cicada being the worst, because this is kind of a mech that I want to like... But let's be real - it is a very fat light mech, really, beyong the PPC-carrying variant, it is just questionable.
You have vastly superior mediums for proper medium role. And if you want to hunt those annoying light mechs, you have stuff like... say Phoenix Hawk.
I mean, Cicada is not even a very good light mech hunter, due to abysmal armour.
The only mech I think could be similarly bad is Assassin.
Best medium mech. Shadow hawk-K variation. Kurita made them and they have the very best balance of long and short range firepower/mobility/heat curve/armor for the Battle value.
I'd have a hard time choosing the worst, since most of the 40-tonners are solid contenders. That weight level just seems to be really difficult to balance.
Best... hm. I have a real fondness for the Vindicator, but most Wolverine variants make solid all-rounders (aside from a typical lack of LRMs). So I pretty much agree with you for both categories.
Assassin is a really good 40-tonner. Can’t take a hit and not much damaged per individual weapon, but with that jump7 you can get into the rear arc and just open up.
There is a really awesome video of an assassin doing just that on Ouchie’s Batreps.
Worst Sentinel tries to do to much. Clint takes second place as it may jump. Best. I would agree with the Walvy as its does the job of medium battlemech best. But if you need recon the Phawk. Vindicator as a sniper to contest areas. I have to go for the role they play. Three is what I must give as you did not ask for what they must be best at.
For Classic Battletech my favourite medium is still the Shadow Hawk 2H. For Alpha Strike the Trebuchet has been crazy bang for the buck in the games I've fielded it in.
I'm a big fan of the mediums; need a pocket heavy? Hunchback, 4/6 with the armor of a Warhammer, and firepower comparable to a Marader. What about an LRM boat? Trebuchets. Fast response mechs? Wolverine, Griffin, Shadow Hawk. Scout that can take more than one hit? Phoenix Hawk.
I like the Trebuchet, with great speed for a fire-support machine and meaty LRM 15 launchers. When ammo runs dry, it’s not too tough to either flee or run up and use those those medium lasers.
And I agree with Cicada for worst medium.
Stock cicada’s aren’t really all that good except for the ppc variant, or rather, there’s typically better options for less tonnage. Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, or Centurion for best.
The Crab has never let me down, but I’ll always love the Phoenix Hawk. It looks great, and means you can always put something your opponent doesn’t want somewhere he doesn’t want it.
Worst? The Sentinel. An AC5 does not a sniper make, especially when paired with an oversized engine, weak armour, an utterly pathetic selection of close-in weapons (which break) and so much ammo on board it’ll explode for four-score and eighty days if you do much as look at it funny.
my favorite has to be enforcer. Solid damage at medium range with same brackets, and you can jumpjet and have almost maximum armor. Hard to go wrong with that
Best : Dervish, plenty of firepower, good mobility, works really nice as a budget Archer (If you wanna go all in on long range then Trebuchet)
Worst: Hermes II no useful firepower (basically has 1 thing to fire for each rangeband, but no quantity or redundancy), meh mobility, terrible armor. Cicada is still worse, but at least it has 2 medium lasers in the same rangeband.
(Sorry to necro your comment, but...)
Lock 'n load some flak ammo into that Hermes II's autocannon, and it makes a good "ghetto-AA gun" that can also cook infantry. You lose the ability to make called shots with the AC5, but gain anti-air that's fast enough to keep up with your recon lance yet cheap enough to squeeze into a heavy lance for those problems that "just aren't worth sending a Warhammer." Plus it does the same damage to (non-immobile) 'mechs either way.
Love the Dervish too, btw.
Best Medium?
Phoenix Hawk
You can fight me on that.
Worst?
Shadow Hawk.
Not as fast as I'd like, and the weapons are just too weak.
Mediums are another hard one to call. Need fire support? Vindicator, Hunchback 4J, and Blackjack 1 are good mechs. No better bodyguard mech then the Hunchback 4G at this era. Scouts? Phoenix Hawks, Cicada's, Assassins, and Vulcan.
But for the Succession wars I'd have to say the Wolverine 6M. Its got a large to close and medium lasers and SRM 6's do work at closed ranges.
Other era's only make Mediums better. Even comparing newer variants of, say, the phoenix hawk to something like the Komodo and you still get good value.
However there was one mech ever banned from tournaments, the Wraith TR-1. Make of that as you will. Good mech, best medium? Not sure, after all the WoB did put out a Gyro-less medium mech capable of putting 20 damage to a mech from 18 hexes away.
The worst medium mech. Oh boy, I'm torn. I absolutely HATE the Griffin 1N. That thing farts too hard and overheats real bad. Get in its face and all it has is harsh language (I don't count melee because EVERY mech can melee).
But no, I think the worst medium mech is the Dervish 6M. Why you ask? It has long range, couple medium range weapons, and is a 5/8/5. Two issues with this mech. #1 it has low armor. Only 120 out of 185. All the other 55 ton mechs (minus the scorpion 1N) have more armor. #2 and this is the HUGE problem for me. It has TWO tons of SRM 2 ammo for only two launchers. People don't like machine guns because most early mechs bring a 400 point bomb with it. Why is it okay for the Dervish to have TWO 400 point bombs. Oh you crit my arm? Guess I'll just die now.
Issues with the Dervish use informo ammo. Cooks chick, infantry, buildings, Stalkers, and provides you with light at night. After you try this product you will be wishing for a second SRM or reloads.
@@Magermh Still doesn't solve the problem of having a 50 point bomb in both of your arms. Still doesn't solve the problem of needing an 8 on the cluster chart to hit with both missiles.
Rather flamers against infantry, never played a scenario where i need to destroy a building (and even if I did, punching it goes faster), that stalker may be a hot box but 2 extra heat a turn? woo, and playing with night rules is absolutely horrible unless its megamek. Night rules slow the game down sooo much and you have to make constant pilot checks just to walk.
But you know what, I'll meet you half way. Give me SRM 2 rules from Battledroids and they become a GREAT weapon. SRM2's made 0 heat in battledroids. Sure I'll take a 9 hex machine gun weapon.
@@durnaxe8708 We seem to like the same kind of cake. Just like another type of icing on it. :)
I love the locust with 2 small lasers and 2 medium lasers
fritz what do you think of the toro
Worst, Assassin: Yes very flexible in movement, but a very inconsistent damage profile.
Best, Wolverine: I agree it's a good little "trooper Mech", and I saw someone mention the Crab but though it has a all energy weapon benefit, that isn't as maneuverable as the Wolvie.
Best medium Mech for inner sphere, Phoenix hawk or Shadow Hawk. In my opinion.
I'd say those are my number 2 and 3 favorites! Great choices my dude!
Best medium has to be the KTO-19 Kintaro. One of the most powerful alpha strikes in battletech, good speed, reasonable armor. It runs hot but it outguns some assault mechs in close range, it can close in on slower targets and rip them apart. For the opposite/worst mech in medium tonnage, I'd pick the ASN-21 Assassin; always bothered me for being too undergunned to do the job of a hunter-killer.
Best: Trebuchet 5S. Worst: Shadowhawk 2D
The Whitworth [worthless]
Disagrees
Agree about the SHD-2D. What the hell were they thinking?
Standard Griffin. Just keep moving it into optimal support fire position and adding its long range damage into the other fights that evolve on the field.
Cicada is up there with the Charger and Assassin for worst design in the setting
I have to say, I have a grave dislike of the Hunchback. Sure, it's deadly enough, at relatively short ranges. But it's a one-trick pony, and really has very little to mitigate damage, as well as being a fire magnet - until that AC20 is dead, at which point it is ignorable.
My favourite is the Griffin. It still hits hard, has jump, and if you lose your primary weapon, you still have an LRM-10 pack to fall back on. Sure, it's optimized for long ranges, but it's an excellent and deadly mech when at long range.
I frequently forget that the cicada IS a medium mech.
I agree on the worst. I would say the shadow hawk is arguably the best, because its always able to engage and put preassure on the enemy regardless of range.
Best medium? I am in favour of hunchback 4P for that. A bit scattery but lots of hit rolls for those hard shots, odds are something will connect. Worst? Cicada, hate that useless hunk of junk, 10 tons to heavy, get a Hussar and you get a better mech everytime
Best would be Enforcer, worst is the Shadowhawk. Unable to the damage that the tonnage demands.
No surprises the original Cicada is your worst. It's one of the worst cases of Charger syndrome outside the Charger itself and I can't dispute its position as the worst medium mech.
Runner up for worst is the Hunchback. The combination of slow movement and an exclusively short ranged armament is just not acceptable in my eyes. But at least it's not outperformed by a mech half its weight.
For best I have to give the nod to the Phoenix Hawk just because it violates the nearly ironclad rule that any canonical mech near an optimum weight/speed combination has to have some other gratuitous flaw.
I mean... none of the vanilla configurations have free hands to allow two fists and maximum dakka.
That's pretty sad.
Best: Wolverine and Griffin.
Worst: Cicada. I'll still use it, but it's a bottom draft pic.
Not Best But Still Love: Phoenix Hawk LAM. Not practical or good, but fun.
I’ve always been a big Enforcer fan myself.
Shadow hawk really does nothing well. It is a mech that stripping it and starting over is how I start every game I field. Like the enforcer. Ac 10 large lazer make any range your sweet spot.
I'd say the number 1 medium is the centurion cuz its so beginner friendly! Most jack of all trades mech! Has decent armor decent speed and decent firepower at all ranges!
For me it’s a tossup between the -6M Wolverine and the Vindicator for best Mech. The worst though I’d probably lean to the Assassin. The Cicada is bad but in my opinion the Assassin is worse.
Ok, so i have two for best Medium mech
1. Hunch back, Give me that Baller any day, What a Mech, You see this guy, you have to take it down, AC20, and Fists Geting up in your FACE! its intimidating, it pouts a pressure on your opponent. and i hear you its an all or nothing mech, thats why if you want take the HBK-4P Variant, SO MANNY medium lasers. non Ammo Reliant, SO MUCH LAZOR!!!! VARRY WOW! in-fact it has even more potential damage then the standerd, just not an all or one,
2. Phoenix Hawk LAM. By far the best Lam, but it just give you Options, and in a campaign ( RPG) its a Mech with a not just tactical Flexibly, but also Strategic. Need a Fast redeploy to another battlefield? Phoenix Hawk LAM, Need a Mech that can swoop in and quickly steal the data core or objective? BAM! Phoenix Hawk Lam,
its a Flexible Mech and can be a long rang harasser, and an objective graber, and even its stander mech is still a good mech.
as for worst,
i hate to say the Shadow Hawk, but it just fells like it dosent do enough
Love ‘em or hate ‘em, when there’s a Hunchback on the field, it changes the battle.
HunchBack For Life :)
I’ve be personally allways been fond of the Uziel.
Best: Starslayer. No real weaknesses, effectice at all ranges even in the 3025 era.
Worst: Sentinel or Hoplite.
I’m gonna say Hunchback cuz I AM all
in on that boom gun.
Wvr 7k is probably the best medium fighter, 3pulse lasers and 2 srm6's
I am partial to the WVR-6M which swaps the AC/5 and ammo out with a Large Laser and a couple of heat sinks. But you can’t go wrong in a Wolverine.
I'm here for the Wolverine.
Hmmm...what if you put rockets on it?
I'd say my favorite medium mech is the Phoenix-Hawk, due to its balance of speed, maneuverability, armor, and firepower.
my least favorite would have to be the Blackjack. It's slow, and packs no decent long range punch, due to its main weapons being a pair of AC/2's.... goddamned AC/2's!
... whoever intentionally puts an AC/2 on a Battlemech should be dragged out into the street and shot, but not with an AC/2, with something more powerful, like a SMALL LASER!!!
I lean back and laugh, watching the small laser beam fizzle out six inches in front of my nose.
4 Machineguns in an array on rapid fire: Hoh? Are you approaching me?
Hoplite seems the worst to me: Limited in all ways. The one I like the best is the Vindicator for scouting and harassment.
Hatchetman! Just love cleaving skulls with this guy, and yeah the Cicada is not a good mech.
Crab and Lynx
Hunchback with 8 medium lasers and 1 small laser. Enough said
Agree on the cicada. It is just bad. Solution to a problem that does not exist.
The shadowhawk is one that has been hit and mostly miss for me, but for bad, the cicada floors it. I'd wager, that if not for the charger and executioner, the cicada would be worst mech in game.
Charger: Hoh? Are you approaching me?
Literally everyone: No
Charger: ...please?
1 medium > 2 small lasers
At least the Vulcan has damage output, the Cicada can't do shit
Vulcan as the worst, Hunchback as the best. Sure, Hunchy doesn't have range, but it has to be dealt with. If you have a Wolverine and a Hunchback charging you, you fire on that Hunchback as the bigger threat.
I mean... at its worst, a Vulcan is just the Firestarter at home, right?
That's not too bad.
3025 Scorpion.
The Assassin is pretty bad and so is the Clint. The Trebuchet is pretty good and so is the Centurion.
That's your opinion, there is no worst mech if you know how to play it..
Charger: Hoh? Are you approaching me?
Literally everyone: No
Charger: ...please come closer
the cicada is a pretty shit medium mech