Bricky, you missed the best Angron quote: "Childish? The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilisation to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy of others. You know nothing of honour."
I have long come to the conclusion these writer have no idea how to write compelling social or diplomatic interaction, that why the emperor and eldar are so trashy.
Actually.... The World Eaters got their name after Angron was introduced to the War Hounds officers when Kharne calmed him down. When Kharne went introduced Angron to the World Eater officers, he did so so with the phrase: Salute those whose soldiers were named the Eaters of Cities One of the officers, Captain Dreagher, said the following: *Primarch! General! Your warriors were eaters of cities, lord, but with you to command us the War Hounds will be eaters of worlds!* Angron then responded: *World Eaters... World Eaters...So shall you be, then, little brothers. Come with me, then, World Eaters.*
Well, anger and compassion are emotional responses, so if you have a strong sense of one you'll have a strong sense of the other. Sensitivity goes both ways.
@@unitedstatesofamerica4987 theres a really interesting alternative universe where all of the primarchs live and rule over the Imperium together. *FUCK EREBUS*
My favorite description of Angron : "It had often said that the Space Marine knows no fear. Such statement was not literally true, a space marine could know fear, but he had the training and discipline to deal with it and not let it affect him in battle. Captain Saul Tarvitz was no exception, he had faced storms of gunfire and monstrous aliens and even glimpsed the insane predators of the warp, but when Angron charged, he ran."
Yeah but the thing is - wasn't there like Khornates who basically feared the ever living shit for their lives when the Black Rage took over the BA? Wasn't Sanguinius' Legion the one Khorne originally wanted?
The way big E treated Angron lends credence to the theory that he made a deal with the chaos gods in order to make the Primarchs and part of that deal is that half of them will fall to chaos but didn't know who. He probably took one look at Angron and thought, thanks for volunteering.
The only thing that makes sense. Cause emps coulda stopped this shit from happening easily by making smart decisions. Given how he can 99.99999% read into the future through the warp very very^99 quickly, he’d have known what would happen if he was an asshole. I’m even pretty sure he and Sangunius knew that the hawk boy was gonna die to Horus’ power
I personally don’t believe he made a direct deal with chaos, as he planned to betray them and keep his sons to himself. Both out of love (because he did have that) and to keep humanity from dealing with chaos primarchs. However the gods throwing them onto planets and corrupting them I see as big E realizing he was going to be unable to save all of them and thus if someone was beyond saving he treated them like shit.
The Big E: “Ah yes, I must remove the elements of faith from the human psyche to not fall to the whims of chaos so we can finally take hold of our destiny.” Also the Big E: “Half of my children are either going to die by my hand and/or are going to fall to chaos and that is their destiny.” I mean, seriously, in the grim darkness of the future, apparently there is only chaos.
Bricky seems to be slipping, he forgot the most tragic part about angron, angron could sooth rage and turmoil in others before the nails. So in the best boy timeline angron would probably been like a ghandi character, first mastering his own rage and then teaching others to do the same.
@@mr.potato2223 "Here little World Eater have some tea I got from Fulgrim." "What seems to be troubling you, my son?" World Eaters: You know life's gotten so much better thanks to our primarch
You didn't mention the fact that pre-nail Angron was the most empathic of all primarchs, and a kind of spirit healer. Wich makes his fall into nail Angron much more tragic. That's also why he raged for 3 days straight when he realized he killer his surrogate father.
@@AnimeFan9833 While Sanguinius is pretty empathetic, I think he more just appreciates humanity and all it has to offer than the other primarch’s. He isn’t necessarily the most empathetic but he does value like the art culture etc. that normal ass humans provide the galaxy with
Angron shoulderpressed a warhound titan after digging himself out of 200 meters of rockrete. beating a custodes to death probably didn't even make Angron break a sweat.
@@n.henzler50 i mean, even in that case the biggest diference would be that angron might end up with bloodied knuckles by the time the custodian is compressed scrap
"‘Such pretty lies! We fight for the same reasons men have always fought: for land, for resources, for wealth and for bodies to feed into the grinders of industry. We fight to silence anyone that dares draw breath and whisper a different opinion from ours. We fight because the Emperor wants every world in his hands. All he knows is slavery, painted in the inoffensive cloak of compliance. The very notion of freedom is a horror to him.’ ‘Do we give choices to those we slaughter? A true choice? Or do we broadcast that they must throw their weapons into the fires of peace and bow down, faces pushed into the mud like beggars, thanking us for the culture we force upon them? We offer them compliance or we offer them death. How am I a traitor, wolfling? I fight as you fight, as loyal as you are. I do the tyrant’s bidding.’ "
My favorite Angron quote by far: "What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?" [...] " The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave... Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives!? Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, Courage and Honour, COURAGE AND HONOUR!!! Do you even know the meaning of those words!? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage... Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour!" - Angron addressing Roboute Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade
This leaves me beyond impressed, it is so wonderful how 40k can make you laugh at a angry charecter and then make you feel like shit once you understand it, and it hits like a fucking train
@@PodreyJenkin138 There'sa theory as to why the Emporer put lots of effort into earning some Primarchs trust and absolutely not at all with others, I think it goes that the Big E and Malcador calculated the rebellion as once the war was over, they would have a large standing army with noyhing to do, like the thunder warriors and would cause mass destruction, I think Gulliaman hinted to this as well, though his planned rebellion never went as planned as Fulgrim, magnus and maybe Horus weren't meant to rebel
@@boogiewoch9507 It's very much a thing, but it hinged on the webway project being completed. Once that was done, the purging of elements that'd be less useful for humans in the future, like the Mechanicus and Navigators, and then the more unhinged space marine chapters would probably be culled after that. There'd no doubt have been a heresy but it was nothing like the one expected, especially with Horus becoming the main man.
@@Voltamatum "you won't abandon them? fine, but you're not going back empty handed. these are the Warhounds, made from your DNA. they will follow you without question to whatever end.... go handle your bidness" is all it would have taken.
the Roboutian Heresy version of Angron is something else, he's cool. he and his sons are considered *the* most honorable legion there is, even the Inquisition is hesitant to try and mess with them.
“I have traded one master for another, one slaver for the next. My captivity did not end upon the jump into that gilded craft, nor did my rage subside when greeted by my father. The Emperor of mankind has done naught to ingratiate himself into my good will, nor to placate my seething rage. I have no father, and the Emperor will have no son in me. I slew the only man I deemed worthy of that title on the field of battle many years ago, and since then I have felt nothing but anger so hot, it would burn lesser men to ash. I watched as all I cared for was destroyed, trampled into the blood soaked mud of a savage world. You blamed the nails Malcador, but it was His inaction, His deeming of all that I held dear as less that worthless, that has made me into the man you see now. The nails are gone Malcador, and I thank you for that, because now I know this hate is my own, and with a clear head, I can finally take my revenge.” A sane Angron, who’s butcher’s nails were safely removed.
It's pretty understated just how well spoken literally all the peimarchs are, even Angron at his angroniest speaks like he's a character in a classical parable
Pretty sure the Index Astartes says Angron was probably attacked by Eldar to stop him being what he is. Ironically they weakened him enough for the slavers who later found him to capture him. He was found amidst the bodies of his would-be assassins. Eldar are the reason most things are wrong with the galaxy. This continues that trend.
I've always held the opinion that those eldar were either drukhari raiders or craftworld eldar that coincidentally stumbled upon angron then had a vision while investigating. It seems dumb that a band of eldar wouldn't come with heavy ordinance and several wraithlords to kill something on par with a demon prince
@@woaddragon That is such stupid ass logic. >Strongest man in the world fights 10 of the best assassins in the galaxy >kills them all but is exhausted afterwards >Is declared weak
@@woaddragon u guys really gotta pirate the 41 gig Horus Heresy audiobook collection. (obviously u can tool it down to half that size so u can listen to it whenever, wherever). then u too can secretly "NAIL RAGE" at all the amazing quotes and super important events they always miss and could easily fit in with an small extra 15 mins. Also, THERE SO FUCKING GOOD. except vol. 8, BURN THAT WITH WHITE FIRE! umm, anyway, no pronouns, gender politics, romance, just deep ANGRY tragedy and face melting gore and actual grimdark.
@ Heavy Stalin angron to guillaman: with one of us had a loving family with one us had a legion of loway Söns tô lead with one of us has a butcher knewals buzzing in your head with one of us had seen their loved ones dying because of a hypothesis of their new slave master so tell me guilliman with one of us had a choice?
Let’s be honest Angron is the botched clone of Tyler1. In all seriousness it’s pretty sad what happened to him. If he didn’t grow up on the planet he did I could totally see him becoming one of the best Primarchs. Probably another Sanguinius or Vulkan.
I thought Curze's book would be the most depressing, and while it wasn't lite; Angron's story is just god awful tragic. Curze was likely batshit insane from the start from his long trip thru the warp; a genuine lost cause. Angron was a healer, he was a caring inspiring leader and they did such terrible things to him on Nuceria :(
At first Curze was actually a somewhat inspiring primarch, still not as much as the other ones ofc, but the books about the night lords do say that he inspired them.
Am I the only one here wished that Bricky told DK the quote of Angron to Girly-man saying to him "What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son?" bet he would love that quote.
Surprisingly enough, there's an old filipino mythological hero epic where a 9 month old "infant" slaughtered an entire tribe of elite warriors or Demi-Gods. So hearing Angron slaughtering Eldars doesn't seem surprising for me.
Actually angron never hated sanguinius. I don't think he liked being compared to him because he was given the nickname "the red angel" after becoming a deamon prince. That's about as far as it went. Even though we have barely seen any interactions between the two prior to the siege of terra there was one conversation where lorgar brought up sanguinius and explained why he wouldn't betray the emperor. Thoughts of the angel actually calmed the butcher's nails in angrons head.
He got that name well before becoming a daemon. I'm not sure when he got it, but for example in False Gods: "ANGRON, THE BLOODY One: the Red Angel. Loken had heard all these names and more for Angron" This is just prior to the fight against the technocracy, prior to the commencement of the heresy
@@henrypaleveda7760 angron had alot going on compared to most of the primarchs. He was enslaved and mutilated at an early age, he killed the closest person he had to a father, when his actual father showed up he didn't lift a finger to help him save his friends and had to watch from orbit as they were butchered by the people who enslaved him, and if that wasn't enough he had to work for his father who he hated leading a legion he never wanted with brothers who far the most part looked down on him for being savage and not conquering his world. Sanguinius was probably one of the very few things that gave brought some happiness to his life. But it was nowhere near enough to quell the ocean of rage he had for everyone and everything around him.
@@ryanwilliams1207 I figured he could be angry without as much pain if he focused on Sanguinius he might be able to sleep or to be anything other than constant pain, still angry, but able to think rationally.
Lorgar to angron when they're talking about the fight with Russ "It’s almost poetic in its elegance and emotional resonance. He proves his sons’ loyalty, while yours leave you to die. He proves the damage the Nails are doing to your Legion. He proves the tactical strength of taking an objective rather than fighting purely to kill. He spares your life in the hope you’ll see all of this, in a lesson it cost him heavily to teach you, and your reaction is to grin and claim yourself the victor."
So, on the battle between Angron and Russ, the reason why they both say they won is because Angron beat the absolute crap out of Russ and almost killed him in the 1v1, but in the army battle the Wolves surrounded and defeated the World Eaters. So while Angron won the duel, the Wolves won the battle. Also, I'm disappointed that they didn't talk about Angron's original psychic ability either.
Also from what I remember that was pretty much Russ's plan. Not excatly getting beat up, but he didn't think he could defeat Angorn easily or he didn't want to. He wanted to show him that his blind anger makes him loose sight of bigger picture. So Russ succeded in his plan, but failed to sway Angorn and change his ways. This is a thing about the Wolves. They sound and look like run of the mill all about CQC idiots. Which they are not excatly. Probably biggest CQC monsters on Loyalist side are Blood Angels. Wolves are more about hunting you down.
@@Blazo_Djurovic I dunno,, sounds like Wolf-cope to me. I mean Leman lost his fight against Angron. He lost against Lion and got his skull caved in. He even lost his 1v1 against Magnus and had to be bailed out with backup after he got one of his hearts punched out. And even then after Magnus swatted away the interloper he only got lucky because his flailing just happened to get blood in Magnus's one eye and blinded him long enough to get grappled. Leman is that one guy who talks big about how tough he is and all that good stuff, but the moment he has to put up he gets folded like an omlette. Meanwhile his marines are such knuckledraggers that even people like Jaghatai refused to associate with them due to being a bunch of unrefined savages. Plus there's the fact that between the nonsense that are the Wulfen, The Gate of Morkai, and their "totally not sorcerers" Wolf Priests (and no, the garbage fanboy pandering retcon about "The world Spirit of Fenris" doesn't change things), they kinda come across as either a writer's pet like the Ward-Era Smurfs and G-Knights, or as absolute douchebags and hypocrites that only escape scrutiny/heresy out of nepotism and corruption like some two-bit planetary governor or radical inquisitor
@@pathfindersavant3988 buuuut, confirmed killed one the two "missing" Primarchs in book, making it official. also, lets not forget, he 1v1'd FULL POWER, AFTER HIS SECOND TRIP TO THE WARP, HORUS... AND PUT HIM IN A GD COMA ON HIS OWN SHIP! and survived due to the so called 'wolf cope.' (altho I am stealing that phrase, bc its funny). but yea, badass book. only warp fuckery pulled his soul back together, in another book. damn, i cant even remember the book numbers, there's so damn many, lol. but that backs up he can fucking scrap and murder Primarchs.
@@briankeys5941 He failed to kill Horus despite having a Magic Spear given to him by a Warp God (I hate the Fenris want) designed with the sole purpose of killing him. That's honestly kinda sad. He had every set up to be able to defeat Horus, everything in his favour, and still cocked it up.
@@pathfindersavant3988 I honestly think it’s moreso that Russ is by far one of the best combative Primarchs, he typically doesn’t actually like to kill his fellow primarch however, like he could have killed Angron by being defensive in his fighting style but he wanted to teach Angron a lesson, which he did but it wasn’t taken to heart. Same thing with Magnus, also even with a Magic Spear this is the Horus that almost killed Big E and he damn near killed him(although I believe the Sanguinius theory more) that can’t be taken with a grain of salt because he ALMOST killed that Horus
Angron was nothing like those urine-clad wastes of equipment and geneseed. Angron was strict but respectful, savage but honour-bound, furious but righteous in thought and hateful of the enemy but deeply compassionate to his comerades. He had all these qualities until the Emperor ruined it all. Butcher's Nails or not.
"Everytime one of his marines tried to talk to him, Angron would beat them to death." "Why would he put butcher's nails in their heads? He doesn't hate his marines!"
Ultramar is the good side of Rome, Nuceria only has the Gladiatoriall Arenas, that weren't realy rome exclusive, many cultures had similar things, but rome made it popular.
Ehh... does that really count though..? Perturabo was only able to beat him up and deliver that absolute nuke of a roast when he engineered a "thing" specifically designed to subdue Angron in. Like sure, Forge Breaker bonk and all, but that was when Angron was completely battered, bored, dispassionated and just wanted to get it over with. In a true 1v.1 between the two of them, I have a hard time seeing Perturabo beeing stripped of all of his preparations having any chance of winning.
If we check out the Dornian heresy (Reversed version of the Horus heresy), you'll see angron as an honouable disciplinarian compared to an insane berserker.
The Horus Heresy series has really fucked with the lore in general. The reason why the Emperor is just a idiotic asshole is largely in part due to "Masters of Mankind'. I somewhat like ADB, but he needs to get his shit together. I'm starting to become convinced that his Night Lords trilogy was a fluke.
His best quote: What would you know of struggle, perfect son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything other than tally compliance's and polish your armor? The people of your world named you "Great One". The people of mine called me slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian High Riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue clad wretches yelling courage and honor, courage and honor, courage and honor! Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage! Honor is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honor!
The nails were put in after the legion fail to take a planet over three times. The reason for failure was cause they had to take it over in 36 hours. The nails where both a desire to know him better and a punishment for being too weak.
I like the subversion of the skulls adorning Angron's armor not being victims of his senseless slaughter, but the only battle brothers he loved, and would die by
Angron: Im not leaving my gladiators. Big E: Ok, i will fight by your side, maybe i can bring some of your sons to fight by your side. Done, Angron is now super loyal and the slaves will die shortly after from the brain nails, Big E really wanted the heresy
Funny enough yes he wanted he believed by killing everyone he would finally destroy chaos of course he did not expect horus to fall he tough sanguineos would have fallen not horus
Here's your Alpha Legion script, Bricky. "No one knows who the Alpha Legion are working for nor what their goals or motivation might be. If the Alpha Legion themselves ever knew, they have long since completely fucking forgotten."
Imagine the GW partner skin selection. Space Marine (Ultramarines Power Armor) Space Marine (Blood Angels Power Armor) Space Marine (Space Wolves Power Armor) Space Marine (Ultramarines Scout Armor) Space Marine (Ultramarines Travel Robes) Primaris Space Marine (Ultramarines Travel Robes) Chaos Space Marine Imperial Guard (Cadian) Imperial Guard (Catachan) Imperial Guard (Commissar) Traitor Guard Sister of Battle Eldar (Craftworld) Eldar (Dancer) Eldar (Cultist) Ork Necron Fire Warrior
One of the main reasons why I love this channel is that they drop all the "praise the holy God Emperor of mankind" roleplay (which really gets old after the 20th time you hear it) and straight up call out the Emperor for being a huge douchebag
Oh this is going to be fun to iisten while at work tomorrow. Angron, Daemon Primarch of the World Eaters, changed by the Love of his brother Lorgar. His most loyal brother.
@@dominicvucic8654 Angron have Lorgar his permission to save him. In fact told Lorgar that he owed him that after their fight together on ….Armature(?). And he is no slave. We see the Neverborn time and time and time again going against the wills of the Gods for their own selfish desires and purposes.
Gentlemen! I love your work! I've been a World Eaters player for 15 years and I'm not gonna lie, I was worried you guys would stick to the "super angry/only angry" Angron. You guys did our Primarch justice, this video was excellent! Funny as hell and well researched. You guys are an absolute blast! Shy, love the selection of images and little jabs here and then. I love these podcasts and wish I had found them sooner! I am genuinely considering supporting. Looking forward to the full World Eaters episode!
I'm just casually watching these and very, very swiftly coming to the conclusion that the legions that turned to chaos really didn't do as much wrong as I first thought
Turns out, the story of the Primarchs being the Emperor's sons is just that. A story, told to soothe the masses, like so many other stories told by the Imperium's propagandists. The Emperor on the Golden Throne is little more than the rotting corpse of a dictator, and like all dictators throughout history, he used his position and power to abuse all around him and further his own ends. He twisted the very genetics of humanity into the super-human Primarchs and their Space Marines, manipulated them into leading his armies of conquest, and his concealment of the true nature of reality and Chaos left _so_ many of the Primarchs _undefended_ against its temptations. The Emperor is no god. He was but a man. And like all men, he made _so_ many mistakes during his life. Unlike all other men, however, the Emperor's power and reach gave his mistakes much graver consequences for all of humanity. _The Ordo Hereticus would like to know your location._ _The Ordo Redactus would like to know your location._
@@LexYeen The emperor is a literal actual amalgamation of humanities will to survive. Without him humanity would have been harvested by gross ass space elves as slaves or eaten by daemons. He was fighting an enemy that grows more powerful and has more influence the more aware people are of it. If no one knows about chaos and no one prays to chaos related entities then chaos pacifies and goes back to being a reflection of the collective psyche of life, an endless dreamscape of kaleidoscope perception. The chaos gods would cease having names, and go back to just being representative forces. But its 40k, and were all going to die. There is no good end, so regardless of whatever complicated overarching plan the emperor had that involves all these little maniplations and large scale atrocities, the end is all things cease. But that's the point, we're all gonna die, its all over before it began, a forgone conclusion. So die fighting, because there is nothing else to do.
As much as I appreciate the Kirk v. Gorn reference, there was literally an episode of TOS called "Bread and Circuses", with Kirk and Spock fighting in Roman Gladiatorial Arenas.
I heard a good theory that the Emperor intentionally treated some of his sons horribly because he planned for the Heresy to happen in order to quell the number of Space Marines like why he did to the Thunder Warriors. He just never expected Horus to turn on him, much less lead the Heresy.
One of the best looney toons moments in Warhammer, just yeeting a daemon primarch out a airlock mid temper tantrum onto terra just to stop him from singlehandedly killing the crew of his own flagship cause his brother didn't let him lead the assault on his own dad
You have to understand that when the Emperor found Angron it was a very difficult situation for him. He had just finished railing his 68th line of warp dust, to win a bet with Malcador, so he was high out of his mind when they finally reached the planet.
So for some additional context, when Angron was in that acid fighting pit he had a psychic power that made him feel the people around him suffer and die. He was supposed to be the Big E’s compassion
It's also worth noting that Angron had a psychic ability that allowed him to take on others pain and suffering, making him naturally empathetic to others. Meaning Angron was most likely meant for a kind of support role in the crusade, but the nails took that future away from him by turning into a DPS berserker.
All the more entertaining to watch/listen to this as I'm currently World Eaters army. Now got a Daemon Prince, Kitbashed Exalted Champ, and 2 squads of Berzerkers.
I love how I was recommended this channel by one of the employees at the lgs, little did I know my favorite old Warframe youtubers I watched years ago were doing Warhammer. Makes me love it that much more.
Things I’m expecting for alpha legion: 1.Horus wasn’t the first primarch found 2. The alpha legion has “one” primarch” 3. Spoils from the new alpharius book 4. John and his fuckery 5. Alpharius’ “death” during the Horus Heresy 6. And finally, an explanation of the alpharius meme
The saddest part about angron that I feel might be good to bring up his is power he got then lost. Angron before the nails had the power to share the emotions of people and take away the pain of those he was in contact with. He was the ultimate empath, but he lost all of that when they implanted the nails in him. For reference see his primarch novel which is only a 5 hour audio book and it is actually great.
"Ultramarines are like THE Rome people" I think Ultramarines are THE Greek people Also Games Workshop and their total original ideas, didn't Rome have a gladiator revolt, Spartarcus? Angron is basically Spartarcus
Yeah, it's pretty clear that Angron is inspired by Spartacus. Angron's father figure, Oenomaus, is directly named after one of Spartacus's co-generals in the rebellion. I think that the Ultramarines are more Roman, while the Iron Warriors are more Greek (warring city states, planet called Olympia, Perturabo's father is the Tyrant of Lochos). May depend on the historical period that you're looking at for Greece.
Ultramarines have a successor chapter called Iron Snakes that's much more Greek-inspired. The main Ultramarine founding chapter itself is Roman-inspired, with Guilliman being partially based on Caesar Augustus
Angron didn't order the butcher nails in. It was Kharns idea. He was the first to do it. Because he wanted to be able to connect more to his primarch. It was a way to relate and understand him. So you was nearly correct
My assumption is that Big E saw Angron's damage and he did his best to make sure he'd rebel--if he knew half would rebel then it'd be a smart move to make sure the least stable legion is saddled with his enemies.
But I guess the suffering really isn't feeding Slaanesh when there's literally nothing really sentient left for it to feed on. The suffering, sure Slaanesh loves that *_ALOT_* , but with the original creators of the Nails _deleted_ the suffering now is kinda no different from just normal combat pain: ceaseless, all-consuming and meaningless other than for the glory of battle, the kind of pain that Khorne likes. And given how the Nails are archeotech, the kind that gave *Malcador* _a hard time_ understanding, I'm confident that the Nails ensured that the pain and suffering is one that's only similar to war, battle, murder and bloodshed.
The Emperor is kind of a dick really is what I'm learning from all these Father Son reunions. This channel is easily the best thing TH-cam has ever recommended to me this year.
There's actually a theory that Angron died on the planet, and the Emperor had to recover his body and forcibly return his soul to the cadaver. Much like in the Talon of Horus book, where the Tson Sorcerer couldn't reveal that his Dark Eldar suffered a similar procedure, for fear that her body would reject the spirit and she'd die a second time, the Emperor could never tell Angron that he died on the surface of the planet, so Angron spent the rest of his life thinking that the Emperor stole him from gladiators, when in reality they all died together and the Emperor only recovered his son
Baldemort did an exelent explonation of the Tragedy of Angron and that Emps had to keep him angry, as the Nails would hinder him from feeling anything else.
Emps being such an absolute bastard for absolutely no reason is so beyond stupid it almost entirely ruins this story, even more than Angron being such a miserable failure of a Primarch and being the only one of his brothers to fail to conquer his homeworld (Primarchs are bulletproof, no mortal army should have sufficed). This is still a tragic tale of misery, pointless cruelty, and failure, but the nonsensical bullshit that had to happen to make it come together kinda sours it. Angron very easily could have been my favorite traitor Primarch, if I could believe the circumstances that lead up to the creation of his fate. There are just too many issues; why is Angron so weak that an army of mortals armed with tech the Imperium didn't consider worthy of note could defeat him? How did he get captured in the first place when infant Primarchs are capable of killing squads of armed men and shattering steel? Why was the Emperor so pointlessly cruel to Angron when he could have easily helped him and cemented his loyalty for it? So many writing failures that snuff out his potential before he ever had a chance, turning him from easily the best to easily the most pathetic Primarch.
primarchs arnt bulletproof else the metal bar would have never gone trough horus when the plague ship tipped over they are bullet resistant and regenerate very fast, and are usually wearing the best armor and its just who the emperor is, its a consistent trait throughout every story of him
@@ashardalondragnipurake The durability of Primarchs is highly fluctuating, but they are supposed to be superior to Custodes who do, in fact, have bulletproof skin. Inconsistent writing is a serious problem in 40k, unfortunately (not to mention melee is always superior in 40k lol). And no, the Emperor is not a colossal doushnozzel in every single story he's in nor even to every one of his sons. The way he treated Angron was a serious and unexplained outlier, going way above and beyond his previous displays of being a bit of a dick.
@@notsae66 the info about custodes is even less reliable then the info about primarchs and full of hyperbole to fellate the imperial fans and the emperor was a dick, not only to his sons but to everyone even his favorite, horus got treated like a tool more often then a human its the most consistent character trait he has, across all lore except for being manipulative sure he will be nice, if it makes you easier to use, but a tool is how he sees you
@@ashardalondragnipurake "Sure he will be nice if it makes you easier to use." And it absolutely would have made Angron easier to use, so why didn't the Emperor? He did it with most of them, at least attempting to manipulate them and appeal to them, but for Angron he just went "Shut up slave, do as you're told," for no reason? The only mildly reasonable idea I can see is that he was just so dissatisfied with Angron's miserable showing that he didn't think he was worth the effort.
@@notsae66 because angron didnt bow just like with mortarion, he didnt want free spirit he wanted them broken and drones to do his bidding dogs like russ that would was his tale at the merest mention are easy, but he didnt like any who had will
Bricky, you missed the best Angron quote: "Childish? The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilisation to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong cultured kingdom?
And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives?
Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom that enslaves you, no matter that their armies overshadow yours by ten thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy of others. You know nothing of honour."
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooof
Absolute boss moment, I didn't know angrons stories was so heartbreaking but I do appreciate it much more
@@isaiahtomoana1101 tbh pretty much every one of the primarchs’ falls is a tragedy, which is what is so interesting
Based
‘You’re still a slave, Angron. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Too hateful to learn. Too spiteful to prosper.’
“Get the boys...I’ll deal with these guys myself.”
“Uh are ya sure??? There’s a lot of th...”
“THEY HIT ME WITH A TRUCK”
That video made Patrick walburten my head canon Angron voice.
@Wetzel link please?
@@FioraVorela th-cam.com/video/rKPVNaKvODw/w-d-xo.html
@@FioraVorela th-cam.com/video/sdgD8OP04RE/w-d-xo.html original scene
@@FioraVorela th-cam.com/video/rKPVNaKvODw/w-d-xo.html
“Father have you ever heard the expression you are what you eat, because right now you sound like a bunch whiny physic children” -rogal dorn
Stop Rogal
Rogal Dorn was holding that in for over 10 millenia.
I have long come to the conclusion these writer have no idea how to write compelling social or diplomatic interaction, that why the emperor and eldar are so trashy.
@@noirto2 I'm pretty sure the Emperor isn't actually supposed to be a perfect being.
@@tropenholzharald465 I have received a vox message from Lord Dorn.
"No."
Actually....
The World Eaters got their name after Angron was introduced to the War Hounds officers when Kharne calmed him down. When Kharne went introduced Angron to the World Eater officers, he did so so with the phrase: Salute those whose soldiers were named the Eaters of Cities
One of the officers, Captain Dreagher, said the following:
*Primarch! General! Your warriors were eaters of cities, lord, but with you to command us the War Hounds will be eaters of worlds!*
Angron then responded:
*World Eaters... World Eaters...So shall you be, then, little brothers. Come with me, then, World Eaters.*
That’s so metal
yea... i know these guys are just fucking around, but u GOTTA get the juicy grimdark in there
Little brothers???? Holy shit thats cute
*Snorts*
YEEEEAAAAH THATS THE FREAKIN STUFF!
🤓
Primarchs were supposed to reflect all the sides of the Emperor, Angron was meant to be his compassion that ended well XD
And for that reason he was named angron
As it turns out the Emperor has no compassion
Well, anger and compassion are emotional responses, so if you have a strong sense of one you'll have a strong sense of the other. Sensitivity goes both ways.
Angron without the nails would have been a second Vulkan,thank You Nuceria,burn to the ground.
@@unitedstatesofamerica4987 theres a really interesting alternative universe where all of the primarchs live and rule over the Imperium together.
*FUCK EREBUS*
My favorite description of Angron :
"It had often said that the Space Marine knows no fear. Such statement was not literally true, a space marine could know fear, but he had the training and discipline to deal with it and not let it affect him in battle. Captain Saul Tarvitz was no exception, he had faced storms of gunfire and monstrous aliens and even glimpsed the insane predators of the warp, but when Angron charged, he ran."
and Saul Tarvitz was one of the space marines to warn the loyalists at the dropsite massacre right?
@@henrypaleveda7760 yup. He’s a large reason the defense of terra held
Yeah but the thing is - wasn't there like Khornates who basically feared the ever living shit for their lives when the Black Rage took over the BA? Wasn't Sanguinius' Legion the one Khorne originally wanted?
@@stankobarabata2406 That's a popular theory, yes, and yep when the BA fell into the Black Rage the traitor legions ran away fearing for their lives
One of my favorite moments of the Heresy
The way big E treated Angron lends credence to the theory that he made a deal with the chaos gods in order to make the Primarchs and part of that deal is that half of them will fall to chaos but didn't know who. He probably took one look at Angron and thought, thanks for volunteering.
The only thing that makes sense. Cause emps coulda stopped this shit from happening easily by making smart decisions. Given how he can 99.99999% read into the future through the warp very very^99 quickly, he’d have known what would happen if he was an asshole. I’m even pretty sure he and Sangunius knew that the hawk boy was gonna die to Horus’ power
I personally don’t believe he made a direct deal with chaos, as he planned to betray them and keep his sons to himself. Both out of love (because he did have that) and to keep humanity from dealing with chaos primarchs. However the gods throwing them onto planets and corrupting them I see as big E realizing he was going to be unable to save all of them and thus if someone was beyond saving he treated them like shit.
The Big E: “Ah yes, I must remove the elements of faith from the human psyche to not fall to the whims of chaos so we can finally take hold of our destiny.”
Also the Big E: “Half of my children are either going to die by my hand and/or are going to fall to chaos and that is their destiny.”
I mean, seriously, in the grim darkness of the future, apparently there is only chaos.
@@lonewanderer1328
Or the Emperor plays 45D chess and planned everything so that the Chaos gods would be destroyed by the psychic bomb.
Don't forget that Chegorach swapped Fulgrim and the Khan. X)
Bricky seems to be slipping, he forgot the most tragic part about angron, angron could sooth rage and turmoil in others before the nails.
So in the best boy timeline angron would probably been like a ghandi character, first mastering his own rage and then teaching others to do the same.
This is giving me extra-heretical ideas for an unknown-founding chapter.
Not Ghandi. He was a Bushido-Guy, but a Warrior is a Warrior
Literally the best part of the angron character
UNCLE IROH ANGRON
@@mr.potato2223 "Here little World Eater have some tea I got from Fulgrim."
"What seems to be troubling you, my son?"
World Eaters: You know life's gotten so much better thanks to our primarch
You didn't mention the fact that pre-nail Angron was the most empathic of all primarchs, and a kind of spirit healer. Wich makes his fall into nail Angron much more tragic.
That's also why he raged for 3 days straight when he realized he killer his surrogate father.
Wasn't Sanguinius supposed to be the most empathetic Primarch?
@@AnimeFan9833 nah, sanguinius was more noble than empathetic
@@AnimeFan9833 While Sanguinius is pretty empathetic, I think he more just appreciates humanity and all it has to offer than the other primarch’s. He isn’t necessarily the most empathetic but he does value like the art culture etc. that normal ass humans provide the galaxy with
Angron shoulderpressed a warhound titan after digging himself out of 200 meters of rockrete. beating a custodes to death probably didn't even make Angron break a sweat.
Bear in mind that this would have been a fully armed and armored custodian, and Angron would have had leather and a pointy stick at best.
@@n.henzler50 like the other guy said, Angron didn't break a sweat.
@@n.henzler50 i mean, even in that case the biggest diference would be that angron might end up with bloodied knuckles by the time the custodian is compressed scrap
@@n.henzler50a pointy stick can do wonders
"Even the dog is angry."
Dogron.
what the dog doin
@@Flanponos dying
"‘Such pretty lies! We fight for the same reasons men have always fought: for land, for resources, for wealth and for bodies to feed into the grinders of industry. We fight to silence anyone that dares draw breath and whisper a different opinion from ours. We fight because the Emperor wants every world in his hands. All he knows is slavery, painted in the inoffensive cloak of compliance. The very notion of freedom is a horror to him.’ ‘Do we give choices to those we slaughter? A true choice? Or do we broadcast that they must throw their weapons into the fires of peace and bow down, faces pushed into the mud like beggars, thanking us for the culture we force upon them? We offer them compliance or we offer them death. How am I a traitor, wolfling? I fight as you fight, as loyal as you are. I do the tyrant’s bidding.’ "
My favorite Angron quote by far:
"What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son?
When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind?
When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?" [...] "
The people of your world named you Great One.
The people of mine called me Slave...
Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute?
Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders?
Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom?
And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves?
Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives!?
Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, Courage and Honour, COURAGE AND HONOUR!!!
Do you even know the meaning of those words!?
Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one.
You know nothing of courage...
Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour!"
- Angron addressing Roboute Guilliman during the Shadow Crusade
This leaves me beyond impressed, it is so wonderful how 40k can make you laugh at a angry charecter and then make you feel like shit once you understand it, and it hits like a fucking train
@@Luizguilherme-iz9yl ironic, cause chad Angron squated a warhound titan on the same crusade.
@@Marc-hm6bz damn
All Primarchs these days do is polish armor, tally compliances, and lie
One of the most tragic characters in Warhammer yet the most memeable at the same time. The duality of man.
Tragic = memeable after all
"same thing makes us laugh make us cry" big smoke
Tragedy plus time
its really funny how easily the emperor could have earned Angron's favour but chose not to
“ If I were to offer you my aid in your rebellion against the planet’s rulers, then will you come back home “
@@PodreyJenkin138 There'sa theory as to why the Emporer put lots of effort into earning some Primarchs trust and absolutely not at all with others, I think it goes that the Big E and Malcador calculated the rebellion as once the war was over, they would have a large standing army with noyhing to do, like the thunder warriors and would cause mass destruction, I think Gulliaman hinted to this as well, though his planned rebellion never went as planned as Fulgrim, magnus and maybe Horus weren't meant to rebel
@@boogiewoch9507 It's very much a thing, but it hinged on the webway project being completed. Once that was done, the purging of elements that'd be less useful for humans in the future, like the Mechanicus and Navigators, and then the more unhinged space marine chapters would probably be culled after that. There'd no doubt have been a heresy but it was nothing like the one expected, especially with Horus becoming the main man.
@@Voltamatum "you won't abandon them? fine, but you're not going back empty handed. these are the Warhounds, made from your DNA. they will follow you without question to whatever end.... go handle your bidness" is all it would have taken.
@@bladestormviking just those few words could have made ANGRON one of the most loyal Primarch ever!
just think about it!
the Roboutian Heresy version of Angron is something else, he's cool. he and his sons are considered *the* most honorable legion there is, even the Inquisition is hesitant to try and mess with them.
Wait there’s a roboutian heresy au? Where do I find this?!
@@SuperRegic Google Dornian Heresy, and Roboutian Heresy
@@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745 wait are the Dornian and Roboutian Heresies the same?
@@madmanvarietyshow9605 40K theories did a really good series called the Theoreticus Heresy, but I’m not sure if it’s the same thing referenced above.
what on earth happens to cause a roboutian heresy
“I have traded one master for another, one slaver for the next. My captivity did not end upon the jump into that gilded craft, nor did my rage subside when greeted by my father. The Emperor of mankind has done naught to ingratiate himself into my good will, nor to placate my seething rage. I have no father, and the Emperor will have no son in me. I slew the only man I deemed worthy of that title on the field of battle many years ago, and since then I have felt nothing but anger so hot, it would burn lesser men to ash. I watched as all I cared for was destroyed, trampled into the blood soaked mud of a savage world. You blamed the nails Malcador, but it was His inaction, His deeming of all that I held dear as less that worthless, that has made me into the man you see now. The nails are gone Malcador, and I thank you for that, because now I know this hate is my own, and with a clear head, I can finally take my revenge.”
A sane Angron, who’s butcher’s nails were safely removed.
Did this ever actually happen or is this your own take on what you think would happen? Regardless, its super cool
@@colonelcorn5386 it did not happen.
Canonically the Butcher's nails are still in Angron even as a Daemon Prince.
@@colonelcorn5386, like GIGACHAD said, this isn’t canon. It is my own interpretation of what Angron might have said had the nails been removed.
It's pretty understated just how well spoken literally all the peimarchs are, even Angron at his angroniest speaks like he's a character in a classical parable
Well written enough I thought this was real
“Hmmm… this War Hound’s name is ‘Kharn’… ‘KHARN’… Could he turn to worship…? Nah, to obvious”
-Emps
Deathguard: drops psychic barriers
Captain Saren: "standby for Titanfall"
when ronnin gets warpfall
"Don't let all your son's friends get murdered in front of his eyes."
Damn, Shy missed a wonderful opportunity to meme Omniman in the background.
Pretty sure the Index Astartes says Angron was probably attacked by Eldar to stop him being what he is.
Ironically they weakened him enough for the slavers who later found him to capture him. He was found amidst the bodies of his would-be assassins.
Eldar are the reason most things are wrong with the galaxy. This continues that trend.
I dont know about that. One if the problems with Argon was that he was weak enough to be enslave, but that he was a slave in the first place.
Eldar, fucking everything up thanks to their visions and yet continue to trust them.
I've always held the opinion that those eldar were either drukhari raiders or craftworld eldar that coincidentally stumbled upon angron then had a vision while investigating. It seems dumb that a band of eldar wouldn't come with heavy ordinance and several wraithlords to kill something on par with a demon prince
@@woaddragon That is such stupid ass logic.
>Strongest man in the world fights 10 of the best assassins in the galaxy
>kills them all but is exhausted afterwards
>Is declared weak
@@woaddragon u guys really gotta pirate the 41 gig Horus Heresy audiobook collection. (obviously u can tool it down to half that size so u can listen to it whenever, wherever). then u too can secretly "NAIL RAGE" at all the amazing quotes and super important events they always miss and could easily fit in with an small extra 15 mins. Also, THERE SO FUCKING GOOD. except vol. 8, BURN THAT WITH WHITE FIRE! umm, anyway, no pronouns, gender politics, romance, just deep ANGRY tragedy and face melting gore and actual grimdark.
Next episode should be named "THE WORLD EATERS OF ANGRON"
Please!
*WELCOME TO SCARUS!*
@ Heavy Stalin angron to guillaman: with one of us had a loving family with one us had a legion of loway Söns tô lead with one of us has a butcher knewals buzzing in your head with one of us had seen their loved ones dying because of a hypothesis of their new slave master so tell me guilliman with one of us had a choice?
Every paragraph of Angron's biography ends with the words, "this made Angron very angry."
Physical incarnation of "Existence Is Pain" = Angron.
These comments curse me now I'm thinking of angron quotes in Mr meeseeks voice...
@@NameIsDoc I'm Angron look at me.
" " _LIFE IS PAIN, I HATE MYSELF_ " -Jerma " -Angron
Let’s be honest Angron is the botched clone of Tyler1.
In all seriousness it’s pretty sad what happened to him. If he didn’t grow up on the planet he did I could totally see him becoming one of the best Primarchs. Probably another Sanguinius or Vulkan.
All he needs is League of Legends to become Tyler1
Other way around.
"Botched"
Lmao, mental image of Tyler in power armor.... standing at 6ft tall instead of 5'6
@@cynicaldoomer4509 As a Primarch he is 6’5.
I thought Curze's book would be the most depressing, and while it wasn't lite; Angron's story is just god awful tragic.
Curze was likely batshit insane from the start from his long trip thru the warp; a genuine lost cause.
Angron was a healer, he was a caring inspiring leader and they did such terrible things to him on Nuceria :(
At first Curze was actually a somewhat inspiring primarch, still not as much as the other ones ofc, but the books about the night lords do say that he inspired them.
I just noticed that name sounds like the word nurse
Infant murdering many Eldar?
That's hardly the worst disservice that GW has done to us in recent lore 😭
But it is definitely believable
When You think about Primarchs,It's possible,VERY possible
How's Khaine doing these days? Still the passaround bussy-boy of the Immaterium?
What about the naked World Eater that killed a Custodes by punching him and that his punches managed to penetrate the Custodes Armor?
@@Merengue-db8lx loved that book
Am I the only one here wished that Bricky told DK the quote of Angron to Girly-man saying to him "What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son?" bet he would love that quote.
Surprisingly enough, there's an old filipino mythological hero epic where a 9 month old "infant" slaughtered an entire tribe of elite warriors or Demi-Gods. So hearing Angron slaughtering Eldars doesn't seem surprising for me.
Lam-Ang is Angron confirmed
@yossarian The Epic of Mwindo is such a cool story
Actually angron never hated sanguinius. I don't think he liked being compared to him because he was given the nickname "the red angel" after becoming a deamon prince. That's about as far as it went. Even though we have barely seen any interactions between the two prior to the siege of terra there was one conversation where lorgar brought up sanguinius and explained why he wouldn't betray the emperor. Thoughts of the angel actually calmed the butcher's nails in angrons head.
He got that name well before becoming a daemon. I'm not sure when he got it, but for example in False Gods:
"ANGRON, THE BLOODY One: the Red Angel. Loken had heard all these names and more for Angron"
This is just prior to the fight against the technocracy, prior to the commencement of the heresy
then wouldn't it have been good for angron to think about sanguinius often? wouldn't that have incentivized him to be hawk boy's friend?
@@henrypaleveda7760 angron had alot going on compared to most of the primarchs. He was enslaved and mutilated at an early age, he killed the closest person he had to a father, when his actual father showed up he didn't lift a finger to help him save his friends and had to watch from orbit as they were butchered by the people who enslaved him, and if that wasn't enough he had to work for his father who he hated leading a legion he never wanted with brothers who far the most part looked down on him for being savage and not conquering his world. Sanguinius was probably one of the very few things that gave brought some happiness to his life. But it was nowhere near enough to quell the ocean of rage he had for everyone and everything around him.
@@ryanwilliams1207 I figured he could be angry without as much pain if he focused on Sanguinius he might be able to sleep or to be anything other than constant pain, still angry, but able to think rationally.
@@henrypaleveda7760 the problem is angron was already a deamon primarch when this happened. So it was to late for him
Angron is so angry that doom slayer told him to knock this shit out
Doom Slayer is focused anger
Angron just hates everything because he literally can’t not
@@XtreemAlan shh brother it's for the memes
@@garrettroskelly1386 not sure if daisy is still cannon with doom eternal and its dlc being out.
Angron is the Slayer with No Self Control or target for his Rage
@@rayvg7709 daisy is a Easter egg in some of the art
Lorgar to angron when they're talking about the fight with Russ
"It’s almost poetic in its elegance and emotional resonance. He proves his sons’ loyalty, while yours leave you to die. He proves the damage the Nails are doing to your Legion. He proves the tactical strength of taking an objective rather than fighting purely to kill.
He spares your life in the hope you’ll see all of this, in a lesson it cost him heavily to teach you, and your reaction is to grin and claim yourself the victor."
So, on the battle between Angron and Russ, the reason why they both say they won is because Angron beat the absolute crap out of Russ and almost killed him in the 1v1, but in the army battle the Wolves surrounded and defeated the World Eaters. So while Angron won the duel, the Wolves won the battle.
Also, I'm disappointed that they didn't talk about Angron's original psychic ability either.
Also from what I remember that was pretty much Russ's plan. Not excatly getting beat up, but he didn't think he could defeat Angorn easily or he didn't want to. He wanted to show him that his blind anger makes him loose sight of bigger picture. So Russ succeded in his plan, but failed to sway Angorn and change his ways.
This is a thing about the Wolves. They sound and look like run of the mill all about CQC idiots. Which they are not excatly. Probably biggest CQC monsters on Loyalist side are Blood Angels. Wolves are more about hunting you down.
@@Blazo_Djurovic I dunno,, sounds like Wolf-cope to me.
I mean Leman lost his fight against Angron.
He lost against Lion and got his skull caved in.
He even lost his 1v1 against Magnus and had to be bailed out with backup after he got one of his hearts punched out. And even then after Magnus swatted away the interloper he only got lucky because his flailing just happened to get blood in Magnus's one eye and blinded him long enough to get grappled.
Leman is that one guy who talks big about how tough he is and all that good stuff, but the moment he has to put up he gets folded like an omlette. Meanwhile his marines are such knuckledraggers that even people like Jaghatai refused to associate with them due to being a bunch of unrefined savages.
Plus there's the fact that between the nonsense that are the Wulfen, The Gate of Morkai, and their "totally not sorcerers" Wolf Priests (and no, the garbage fanboy pandering retcon about "The world Spirit of Fenris" doesn't change things), they kinda come across as either a writer's pet like the Ward-Era Smurfs and G-Knights, or as absolute douchebags and hypocrites that only escape scrutiny/heresy out of nepotism and corruption like some two-bit planetary governor or radical inquisitor
@@pathfindersavant3988 buuuut, confirmed killed one the two "missing" Primarchs in book, making it official. also, lets not forget, he 1v1'd FULL POWER, AFTER HIS SECOND TRIP TO THE WARP, HORUS... AND PUT HIM IN A GD COMA ON HIS OWN SHIP! and survived due to the so called 'wolf cope.' (altho I am stealing that phrase, bc its funny). but yea, badass book. only warp fuckery pulled his soul back together, in another book. damn, i cant even remember the book numbers, there's so damn many, lol. but that backs up he can fucking scrap and murder Primarchs.
@@briankeys5941 He failed to kill Horus despite having a Magic Spear given to him by a Warp God (I hate the Fenris want) designed with the sole purpose of killing him. That's honestly kinda sad. He had every set up to be able to defeat Horus, everything in his favour, and still cocked it up.
@@pathfindersavant3988 I honestly think it’s moreso that Russ is by far one of the best combative Primarchs, he typically doesn’t actually like to kill his fellow primarch however, like he could have killed Angron by being defensive in his fighting style but he wanted to teach Angron a lesson, which he did but it wasn’t taken to heart. Same thing with Magnus, also even with a Magic Spear this is the Horus that almost killed Big E and he damn near killed him(although I believe the Sanguinius theory more) that can’t be taken with a grain of salt because he ALMOST killed that Horus
"Man, maybe if Angron didn't have the Butcher's nail, maybe he would have turn out better"
* Look at Malevolent Marine *
"Maybe not"
Angron was nothing like those urine-clad wastes of equipment and geneseed. Angron was strict but respectful, savage but honour-bound, furious but righteous in thought and hateful of the enemy but deeply compassionate to his comerades.
He had all these qualities until the Emperor ruined it all. Butcher's Nails or not.
"Everytime one of his marines tried to talk to him, Angron would beat them to death."
"Why would he put butcher's nails in their heads? He doesn't hate his marines!"
"Ultramarines are THE Rome people..."
Nuceria is in Ultramar so. Or I guess... was lmao.
Ultramar is the good side of Rome, Nuceria only has the Gladiatoriall Arenas, that weren't realy rome exclusive, many cultures had similar things, but rome made it popular.
Daemon primarch Angron: Big scary and near unstoppable
Perturabo: puts the “nearly” in that statement. And I don’t mean the maze
*Bonks him with the forge breaker*
@@takebacktheholyland9306 Bonk, go to angry jail.
Ehh... does that really count though..? Perturabo was only able to beat him up and deliver that absolute nuke of a roast when he engineered a "thing" specifically designed to subdue Angron in. Like sure, Forge Breaker bonk and all, but that was when Angron was completely battered, bored, dispassionated and just wanted to get it over with. In a true 1v.1 between the two of them, I have a hard time seeing Perturabo beeing stripped of all of his preparations having any chance of winning.
I hope that the Emperor's Children and my favorite pretty boy Fulgrim are coming soon! ALSO ANCIENT RYLANOR DEDICATED EPISODE OR I RIOT!!
I'm a huge fan of the Emperor's Children and even I have to admit that Fulgrim is like the least interesting named character in that Legion.
@@randombencounter263 he's my second favorite Primarch :p still important to the story of the EC though!
RYLANOR DESERVES BETTER THAN YOU, OH PRIMARCH. RYLANOR DESERVES BETTER THAN ALL OF US!
With but a single shot, the Raptorae is relieved of duty and released of his task.
Adeptus Ridiculous: Horny on Main
If we check out the Dornian heresy (Reversed version of the Horus heresy), you'll see angron as an honouable disciplinarian compared to an insane berserker.
You should name the war hounds cigarettes considering Angron smokes a pack of them a day.
The more I learn about Warhammer, the more I feel like the Horus-herresy is the emperors fault. He gave all of them so much motivation.
He knew the heresy was coming, but he didn't know with certainty who would be on what side.
With a *few* exceptions.
The Horus Heresy series has really fucked with the lore in general. The reason why the Emperor is just a idiotic asshole is largely in part due to "Masters of Mankind'. I somewhat like ADB, but he needs to get his shit together. I'm starting to become convinced that his Night Lords trilogy was a fluke.
That is because it was his fault
Not gonna mention Erda was the one that sent Angron there, even though she brought a fate much worse on the primarchs?
His best quote:
What would you know of struggle, perfect son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything other than tally compliance's and polish your armor? The people of your world named you "Great One". The people of mine called me slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilization to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian High Riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue clad wretches yelling courage and honor, courage and honor, courage and honor! Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage! Honor is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honor!
The nails were put in after the legion fail to take a planet over three times.
The reason for failure was cause they had to take it over in 36 hours. The nails where both a desire to know him better and a punishment for being too weak.
and that is a dumb rule
"Why would angron put the nails in his astartes' heads?"
I dunno but in my experience anger is a great motivator to do dumb things
Going to look forward to this, Angron surprisingly sad for what happens in the beginning for him.
I feel like the matto for poor Angrons life is "The beatings will continue until moral improves"
I like the subversion of the skulls adorning Angron's armor not being victims of his senseless slaughter, but the only battle brothers he loved, and would die by
Reminds me of Dhalsim from Street Fighter, he wears a skull necklace of children that he failed to save
Angron: Im not leaving my gladiators.
Big E: Ok, i will fight by your side, maybe i can bring some of your sons to fight by your side.
Done, Angron is now super loyal and the slaves will die shortly after from the brain nails, Big E really wanted the heresy
Funny enough yes he wanted he believed by killing everyone he would finally destroy chaos of course he did not expect horus to fall he tough sanguineos would have fallen not horus
@@chosenofkhorne2951 he wanted the heresy to happen and had a plan about it but that plan didnt involve Chaos so his plan didnt work
It's not that he howled continuously for days, it's that the sound wave lasted/ resonated for days. That's my take at least.
So that “1/10 gets beaten to death by the other 9 for failure” thing was directly ripped from the romans. That’s where we get the term decimation.
Khorne unit roster got revealed today for TWW3, this is such a great coincidence!
Came here to say this!
Here's your Alpha Legion script, Bricky.
"No one knows who the Alpha Legion are working for nor what their goals or motivation might be. If the Alpha Legion themselves ever knew, they have long since completely fucking forgotten."
When you realize the alpha legion actually worships chaos in the the dornian heresy :(
@@alphariusalpharius3921 BUT DID THEY REALLY?
@@derekburge5294 I mean they tricked fulgrim into thinking girlyman was tricking him but in reality he merely wished to help the imperium
@@alphariusalpharius3921 BUT DID THEY REALLY?
"Emperor guide my hand I am cranking 90's on these heretical scum!"
*runs up and default dances on the heretics for the emperor*
This is the worst timeline
That would be fucking amazing
Imagine the GW partner skin selection.
Space Marine (Ultramarines Power Armor)
Space Marine (Blood Angels Power Armor)
Space Marine (Space Wolves Power Armor)
Space Marine (Ultramarines Scout Armor)
Space Marine (Ultramarines Travel Robes)
Primaris Space Marine (Ultramarines Travel Robes)
Chaos Space Marine
Imperial Guard (Cadian)
Imperial Guard (Catachan)
Imperial Guard (Commissar)
Traitor Guard
Sister of Battle
Eldar (Craftworld)
Eldar (Dancer)
Eldar (Cultist)
Ork
Necron
Fire Warrior
Wtf?!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of the main reasons why I love this channel is that they drop all the "praise the holy God Emperor of mankind" roleplay (which really gets old after the 20th time you hear it) and straight up call out the Emperor for being a huge douchebag
Oh this is going to be fun to iisten while at work tomorrow.
Angron, Daemon Primarch of the World Eaters, changed by the Love of his brother Lorgar. His most loyal brother.
Most loyal he enslaved angry to Korner when he was finally about to achieve happiness an dlrave his tortured existence
@@dominicvucic8654 Angron have Lorgar his permission to save him. In fact told Lorgar that he owed him that after their fight together on ….Armature(?).
And he is no slave. We see the Neverborn time and time and time again going against the wills of the Gods for their own selfish desires and purposes.
Gentlemen! I love your work! I've been a World Eaters player for 15 years and I'm not gonna lie, I was worried you guys would stick to the "super angry/only angry" Angron. You guys did our Primarch justice, this video was excellent! Funny as hell and well researched. You guys are an absolute blast! Shy, love the selection of images and little jabs here and then. I love these podcasts and wish I had found them sooner! I am genuinely considering supporting.
Looking forward to the full World Eaters episode!
Ngl the concept Lorgar saying "I'll promise we will figure the Butchers nails out and then burn the planet to the ground." Seems surprisingly nice.
I'm just casually watching these and very, very swiftly coming to the conclusion that the legions that turned to chaos really didn't do as much wrong as I first thought
Turns out, the story of the Primarchs being the Emperor's sons is just that. A story, told to soothe the masses, like so many other stories told by the Imperium's propagandists.
The Emperor on the Golden Throne is little more than the rotting corpse of a dictator, and like all dictators throughout history, he used his position and power to abuse all around him and further his own ends. He twisted the very genetics of humanity into the super-human Primarchs and their Space Marines, manipulated them into leading his armies of conquest, and his concealment of the true nature of reality and Chaos left _so_ many of the Primarchs _undefended_ against its temptations.
The Emperor is no god. He was but a man. And like all men, he made _so_ many mistakes during his life. Unlike all other men, however, the Emperor's power and reach gave his mistakes much graver consequences for all of humanity.
_The Ordo Hereticus would like to know your location._
_The Ordo Redactus would like to know your location._
@@LexYeen The emperor is a literal actual amalgamation of humanities will to survive. Without him humanity would have been harvested by gross ass space elves as slaves or eaten by daemons. He was fighting an enemy that grows more powerful and has more influence the more aware people are of it. If no one knows about chaos and no one prays to chaos related entities then chaos pacifies and goes back to being a reflection of the collective psyche of life, an endless dreamscape of kaleidoscope perception. The chaos gods would cease having names, and go back to just being representative forces.
But its 40k, and were all going to die. There is no good end, so regardless of whatever complicated overarching plan the emperor had that involves all these little maniplations and large scale atrocities, the end is all things cease. But that's the point, we're all gonna die, its all over before it began, a forgone conclusion. So die fighting, because there is nothing else to do.
I still feel a sense of euphoria
God shy does such a good job with the photos adding both memes and context
Please tell me Lotara is in this.
EDIT: Happy to see she was mentioned, and I'm glad to hear she'll be talked about next week.
Hope springs eternal for an Emperor’s Children episode!
You can hear the Guts theme during the sad parts of Angron's story
As much as I appreciate the Kirk v. Gorn reference, there was literally an episode of TOS called "Bread and Circuses", with Kirk and Spock fighting in Roman Gladiatorial Arenas.
The number of times bricky said "and so he just murdered everyone in the room" really helps get the point across how much Angron loved killing
If loved means not feeling constant pain, than yes.
My emperor, watch me crank these 90's while hitting the griddy
*a space marine after epic and gw collab together*
I heard a good theory that the Emperor intentionally treated some of his sons horribly because he planned for the Heresy to happen in order to quell the number of Space Marines like why he did to the Thunder Warriors. He just never expected Horus to turn on him, much less lead the Heresy.
What a shitty theory.
One of the best looney toons moments in Warhammer, just yeeting a daemon primarch out a airlock mid temper tantrum onto terra just to stop him from singlehandedly killing the crew of his own flagship cause his brother didn't let him lead the assault on his own dad
You have to understand that when the Emperor found Angron it was a very difficult situation for him. He had just finished railing his 68th line of warp dust, to win a bet with Malcador, so he was high out of his mind when they finally reached the planet.
Emperor: Hey Leeman beat up Angron
Leeman: Angron take the nails out or else
Angron: "It's hip to be square"
"Oh yeah? Prove it"
In response to every single thing Bricky will say about the Alpha Legion
So for some additional context, when Angron was in that acid fighting pit he had a psychic power that made him feel the people around him suffer and die. He was supposed to be the Big E’s compassion
32:00 ''dad please put it in me''
-Some world eater probably
It's also worth noting that Angron had a psychic ability that allowed him to take on others pain and suffering, making him naturally empathetic to others. Meaning Angron was most likely meant for a kind of support role in the crusade, but the nails took that future away from him by turning into a DPS berserker.
Has a brazilian fan, although we dont like much of others talking about our problens, 5:32 this is actually right about our major cities
All the more entertaining to watch/listen to this as I'm currently World Eaters army. Now got a Daemon Prince, Kitbashed Exalted Champ, and 2 squads of Berzerkers.
I was watching hoping to hear about Lotara and the Conquerer and now I get to wait for the pop off next time. “No one escapes the Conquerer”
I love how I was recommended this channel by one of the employees at the lgs, little did I know my favorite old Warframe youtubers I watched years ago were doing Warhammer. Makes me love it that much more.
please let Lotara Sarrin get brought up at some point
edit: 51:08 YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH cannot WAIT for next week's episode
36:07 I love how they're so surprised by this, but that's honestly a low casualty rate when It comes to imperials killing their own people
Kind of hoping that Bricky takes up Majorkill's offer on helping out on the alpha legion episode
Majorkill for 10 mins is fine but for 1 hour? I’d rather implant the butcher’s nails in my skull.
that's the thing I want most
Moar Majorkillz.
I can't stand listening to Majorville for even one minute, his voice is somehow even worse than Arch's.
Angron is 40k Spartacus basically the same story at least as his slave life
Things I’m expecting for alpha legion:
1.Horus wasn’t the first primarch found
2. The alpha legion has “one” primarch”
3. Spoils from the new alpharius book
4. John and his fuckery
5. Alpharius’ “death” during the Horus Heresy
6. And finally, an explanation of the alpharius meme
Sarine's interaction with the Conqueror's honor guard after the ultramarine boarding better be in the next episode.
The saddest part about angron that I feel might be good to bring up his is power he got then lost.
Angron before the nails had the power to share the emotions of people and take away the pain of those he was in contact with. He was the ultimate empath, but he lost all of that when they implanted the nails in him.
For reference see his primarch novel which is only a 5 hour audio book and it is actually great.
“Why are you such a bad dad?!”
Emperor: Just. As. Planned.
"Ultramarines are like THE Rome people" I think Ultramarines are THE Greek people
Also Games Workshop and their total original ideas, didn't Rome have a gladiator revolt, Spartarcus? Angron is basically Spartarcus
Yeah, it's pretty clear that Angron is inspired by Spartacus. Angron's father figure, Oenomaus, is directly named after one of Spartacus's co-generals in the rebellion.
I think that the Ultramarines are more Roman, while the Iron Warriors are more Greek (warring city states, planet called Olympia, Perturabo's father is the Tyrant of Lochos). May depend on the historical period that you're looking at for Greece.
Ultramarines have a much stronger Roman aesthetic than a Greek one
Ultramarines are clearly inspired by Replublican Rome, while Skitarii are more like imperial rome
Ultramarines have a successor chapter called Iron Snakes that's much more Greek-inspired. The main Ultramarine founding chapter itself is Roman-inspired, with Guilliman being partially based on Caesar Augustus
Angron didn't order the butcher nails in. It was Kharns idea. He was the first to do it. Because he wanted to be able to connect more to his primarch. It was a way to relate and understand him. So you was nearly correct
Was it just me, or did DK yelling "turned to chaos" sound suspiciously close to TTS Magnus?
I just love that delivery of on the "Maybe he wouldn't, you know... TURN TO CHAOS!?"
PLEASE MAKE ANGRON’S DOG A T SHIRT !!!! I want it so bad now 😂
Brother lol
Angron was the Greatest and most honorable and Courageous Primarch of all. He is that, no more.
My assumption is that Big E saw Angron's damage and he did his best to make sure he'd rebel--if he knew half would rebel then it'd be a smart move to make sure the least stable legion is saddled with his enemies.
The zoom-in after each Douche, 27/10 Shy. You're the best
Wait a minute... If Angron is in infinite suffering all the time, wouldn't that just feed Slaanesh and not Khorne?
Khorne called dibs.
He experiences suffering but yearns for slaughter.
I guess the desire for combat outweighs the suffering.
But I guess the suffering really isn't feeding Slaanesh when there's literally nothing really sentient left for it to feed on. The suffering, sure Slaanesh loves that *_ALOT_* , but with the original creators of the Nails _deleted_ the suffering now is kinda no different from just normal combat pain: ceaseless, all-consuming and meaningless other than for the glory of battle, the kind of pain that Khorne likes. And given how the Nails are archeotech, the kind that gave *Malcador* _a hard time_ understanding, I'm confident that the Nails ensured that the pain and suffering is one that's only similar to war, battle, murder and bloodshed.
The Emperor is kind of a dick really is what I'm learning from all these Father Son reunions.
This channel is easily the best thing TH-cam has ever recommended to me this year.
You forgot to mention that Angron had the innate ability to absorb the mental and physical pain of others.
There's actually a theory that Angron died on the planet, and the Emperor had to recover his body and forcibly return his soul to the cadaver. Much like in the Talon of Horus book, where the Tson Sorcerer couldn't reveal that his Dark Eldar suffered a similar procedure, for fear that her body would reject the spirit and she'd die a second time, the Emperor could never tell Angron that he died on the surface of the planet, so Angron spent the rest of his life thinking that the Emperor stole him from gladiators, when in reality they all died together and the Emperor only recovered his son
I never understand why the emperor didn't just teleport all of his gladiators
Baldemort did an exelent explonation of the Tragedy of Angron and that Emps had to keep him angry, as the Nails would hinder him from feeling anything else.
I absolutely love this podcast and 40k and I want to thank you so much for making lore enjoyable!!
Emps being such an absolute bastard for absolutely no reason is so beyond stupid it almost entirely ruins this story, even more than Angron being such a miserable failure of a Primarch and being the only one of his brothers to fail to conquer his homeworld (Primarchs are bulletproof, no mortal army should have sufficed). This is still a tragic tale of misery, pointless cruelty, and failure, but the nonsensical bullshit that had to happen to make it come together kinda sours it.
Angron very easily could have been my favorite traitor Primarch, if I could believe the circumstances that lead up to the creation of his fate. There are just too many issues; why is Angron so weak that an army of mortals armed with tech the Imperium didn't consider worthy of note could defeat him? How did he get captured in the first place when infant Primarchs are capable of killing squads of armed men and shattering steel? Why was the Emperor so pointlessly cruel to Angron when he could have easily helped him and cemented his loyalty for it? So many writing failures that snuff out his potential before he ever had a chance, turning him from easily the best to easily the most pathetic Primarch.
primarchs arnt bulletproof
else the metal bar would have never gone trough horus when the plague ship tipped over
they are bullet resistant and regenerate very fast, and are usually wearing the best armor
and its just who the emperor is, its a consistent trait throughout every story of him
@@ashardalondragnipurake
The durability of Primarchs is highly fluctuating, but they are supposed to be superior to Custodes who do, in fact, have bulletproof skin. Inconsistent writing is a serious problem in 40k, unfortunately (not to mention melee is always superior in 40k lol).
And no, the Emperor is not a colossal doushnozzel in every single story he's in nor even to every one of his sons. The way he treated Angron was a serious and unexplained outlier, going way above and beyond his previous displays of being a bit of a dick.
@@notsae66 the info about custodes is even less reliable then the info about primarchs
and full of hyperbole to fellate the imperial fans
and the emperor was a dick, not only to his sons but to everyone
even his favorite, horus got treated like a tool more often then a human
its the most consistent character trait he has, across all lore except for being manipulative
sure he will be nice, if it makes you easier to use, but a tool is how he sees you
@@ashardalondragnipurake "Sure he will be nice if it makes you easier to use." And it absolutely would have made Angron easier to use, so why didn't the Emperor? He did it with most of them, at least attempting to manipulate them and appeal to them, but for Angron he just went "Shut up slave, do as you're told," for no reason? The only mildly reasonable idea I can see is that he was just so dissatisfied with Angron's miserable showing that he didn't think he was worth the effort.
@@notsae66 because angron didnt bow
just like with mortarion, he didnt want free spirit
he wanted them broken and drones to do his bidding
dogs like russ that would was his tale at the merest mention are easy, but he didnt like any who had will