It should also be noted that in both Interstellar and The Martian, Matt Damon's character is left by himself on a planet for a long time and is in an airlock that violently depressurizes. I guess airlocks hate Matt Damon.
@@nine-vi7rw I'm sure anyone can think about it and realize that astronauts must have eclectic skill sets, but that's not my point here. My point is that the audience does not know what their roles are because the movie hardly mentions them. The fact that the German dude was an expert on calculating astrophysical trajectories was a pretty important plot point in the book. In the movie it's barely a mention.
@@JaredLentz Because its pretty hard to have that exposition without sounding too boring or cliché. The average movie watcher wouldn't really know what to do with that knowledge, and people who are more invest would've already read the book
By the way: when you were saying that he is a botanist and shouldn't have so much technological knowledge, he also serves as the crew's mechanical engineer.
Not exactly true. He has a degree in both botany and mechanical engineering (explained in the book). Most of the crew had more than one speciality. He can't do what Johanssen does in terms of IT, and so on.
Anyone sent into space by NASA would be required to have serious training in ship's operations, endless simulations where shit breaks down and needs to be fixed or jerry-rigged, and general technical know-how of all of their equipment, regardless of their primary specialty. Otherwise this endangers the entire crew. There's not much room for mistakes in space, and they can't afford to have the whole mission and crew ruined if the one mechanic dies or otherwise becomes incapacitated. Additionally, there are always beaucoup technical manuals sent with them. This is one of the reasons the plot for the movie Gravity was so ridiculous - they sent a scientist into space who had very little training for space missions - this would never happen in real life.
Simen Indal jeez, so every little thing must be laid out for the audience to understand huh. Just use your brain and some common sense for a bit, does it even make sense for NASA to send a man to mars who only knows botany? Hell no
A lot of the ‘sins’ are things they happen in the book and are thoroughly explained. Although even the author admitted the sandstorm was just there to create a situation for Watney to survive as mars atmospheric pressure doesn’t even create storms that bad
About the back wounds ( 8:37 ), I think they are sores due to malnutrition. He has been living on mostly potatoes for a while at that point. Also, I know the book doesn't count, but many of the issues are actually explained there. What I'm basically saying is, read the book, it's amazing.
also explains he was the mechanic on board so he definitely knew how to fix 90% of the stuff and almost certainly would have known quite a bit about the rovers and stuff.
Biggest problem with the movie: it was filmed on earth instead of being filmed on Mars, which would have made it much more realistic and authentic. A movie that takes place on Mars should also be made on Mars. Should have added 100 sins for that.
Antti Järvinen A phd that clearly doesn't help his knowledge of philosophy. Tyson is a hater and should stick to his science instead of trying to be clever about things outside his wheelhouse. That guy is the reason I thumbed the video down.
@@funkyflames7430 Look, it's a movie.. No one said it was deGrasse accurate even though his self-serving observations are so damn clever how anyone not think as much of him as he does himself...
Bill I was talking about how unreliable and inconsistent the videos are. Hopping between all sorts of philosophies to say they did it wrong. I say, choose a philosophy and analyze it from that philosophical point of view, then the next, or do it simultaneously, but you have to differentiate between the many different philosophies, otherwise you sound two-faced.
i just was reading a book about giraffe's. Did you know they are real? I thought they were fake until I read this article. Never saw one at the Bronx Zoo or in Sicially so I'm on the fence of their validity. There like unicorns or Hawks i always thought.
The "rocket with a tent" would work on Mars because the Martian atmosphere is so thin, it basically doesn't exist. Atmospheric pressure at the Martian surface is 600 Pa, which is nearly nothing compared to 101300 Pa atmosphere on Earth. Thus the single most scientifically inaccurate part of the movie is what began the entire plot, as the sandstorm would only have felt like a light breeze due to the thinness of the atmosphere.
Yeah, I have my own head canon about that windstorm--an asteroid impacted nearby (a few hundred km away) and created an extra-special big disturbance. No evidence or science to back that up, just wanting to give Andy Weir the benefit of the doubt for a very compelling story.
Yep, Andy Weir already admitted at the beginning that the "sand storm" depicted would not be possible. A main engine failure on the MAV was another possible, more realistic way they could have gotten stranded on Mars. But obviously that's not as sexy.
Actually their storms can get quite rough, although a rare occurrence (as said in the book, it would take months or years for his body to be covered by the sand) there are a few rough storms on the planet. "It is unlikely that even these dust storms could strand an astronaut on Mars, however. Even the wind in the largest dust storms likely could not tip or rip apart major mechanical equipment. The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, less than half the speed of some hurricane-force winds on Earth." www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/the-fact-and-fiction-of-martian-dust-storms
This is why I despise Tyson. What kind of stupid remark is that to make regarding a movie that is all about NASA? I suppose Gene Kranz, who was NASA's second Chief Flight Director (after the legendary Chris Kraft, who practically built NASA) throughout the Gemini and Apollo programs, and who directed both the first moon landing of Apollo 11 and the Apollo 13 incident, never made an important decision during all their time at NASA? What important life-and-death decisions has Tyson ever made? To continue sucking up to actual scientist Carl Sagan was no doubt his best personal decision, otherwise he'd be doing voice-over work for syndicated planetarium shows. He might be the go-to guy is Disney needs a new Darth Vader voice. I give him the benefit of the doubt that he know the pickup of Watney was impossible, given his comment about "fantasizing the remaining science." As ripping a yarn as is "The Martian," I could never have written that ending with such a huge plot hole. The author should have figured out a way to get Hermes enough fuel to get into an orbit that the MAV could have matched, at least to the extent shown in the movie.
@@bryanchen8672 You need to be a professional chef to tell another professional chef if he's doing something wrong. If you're just a basic home cook and you try to tell off a professional chef, you a dumb bch
Because he is both a botanist AND an Engineer, just as the Doctor also covered EVA runs. All astronauts have dual specialty, so they can get the effect of two astronauts with the mass, oxygen and dietary requirements of only one.
I’m definitely no scientist but I think Ive seen someone explain that as the vehicle had made it through without crumpling from the pressure, but that breaking out of that point had caused it to vibrate and flip sideways, which then caused it to ‘splode 😊
@@57thorns In the movie, it was explained not as a failure of the rockets structure, but of the supply load. They state that the weight of the supplies shifted, resulting in the rocket spinning from imbalance. So they actually covered that in the film.
@@KatieAlexandraXO It was explained a bit more in the book. The food is basically compressed nutrients with oil, and normally they wouldn't send blocks of food that big into space, so when a block of food that big got sent into space, the oil gets sloshed around and threw the balance off enough to spin the rocket.
Actually, I have suffered from scurvy, due to a stretch when I was young and somehow independent , avoiding nutrition feverishly, it led to sores all over my body, but didn't suffer any dental damage.
Love that Dr. Tyson keeps stepping in to point out how great this movie is. And I will always have a soft spot in my heart for his movie after watching it with my father, and reading parts of the book to him.
In the book, they don’t do the “Ironman” flying thing. The ship blowing the hatch works just enough to make grabbing him possible. The book was also way more funny.
I really wish they would have spent more time on the journey to the MAV. The dust storm and flipping the rover. And how could they not mention "pirate Ninjas" !
scott S I think you mean “Space Pirate” and didn’t they cover it? I remember he explained the “international waters” and how he is “pirate, a space pirate”. Yeah, about 1/3rd of the book was the journey to the MAV. All the witty nerd jokes didn’t make the movie cut either... like the “Pythagorus was a dick” joke...
@@stateeva yeah they did do the space pirate. But the pirate ninja is the name he gave to how much energy the solar panels would make in a Martian Sol I think. It was a unit of energy I remember that
@@spongeboy1985 Actually after I read the book I kinda disliked movie... Yeah, I know that they had timespan to cover the whole book, but some things were too simplified. For example - whole trip was just too easy for him, no sand storm, he had connection all the way, while in the book he lost it while transforming his rover to travell so they had no idea what is he going to do exactly. And the rendezvous on orbit? Too Hollywoody, They catch him normally... I guess for sake of fun they had to "improve" the scene, but those parts really made mi dislike a movie a bit...
When you stop and realize how many cast members did a MCU/Marvel role: Jessica Chastain - Vox, X-Men Michael Pena - Luis, Ant-Man Kate Mara - Sue Storm, Fan4stic Sebastian Stan - Bucky Barnes, Winter Soldier Chiwetel Ejiofor - Mordo, Doctor Strange Benedict Wong - Wong, Doctor Strange (what, you wanted more?) Donald Glover - Aaron Davis, Spiderman and finally.... Matt Daeeemon - Iron Man :D
"Clear pandering to Chinese audiences to be one of the movies that goes to China is clear pandering." The Martian was based on a book. That plot point was also in the book. The author put the book up for free on a blog and then sold it for 99 cents through Amazon self-publishing. I...don't think he was pandering.
@Anonymous Anonymous, you don't pay attention. The script is based on a book by Andy Weir. The exact same thing happened in the book. The book was never intended to become a movie. I get that the CCP are a bunch of malevolent, nefarious evildoers. I hate them too. Andy Weir is not a malevolent, nefarious evildoer. Anyway, the Chinese space program didn't lend their rocket for humanitarian reasons. They did it for political and prestige reasons, to put one of their astronauts in on the Ares 5 crew.
Combined with just seeing a deleted scene from this movie in which he mentions the cost of his rescue, I think CinemaSins should do a special "What's The Damage" episode on the total amount of money spent rescuing Matt Damon across all the movies that involve him being rescued (basically every movie he's in).
@@peterkiviat9969 I've not seen all his movies. In that case, I could see a tally made of how much spent saving him and a tally of how much spent trying to kill him, and compare how much has been spent on each objective. Given the cost of space missions, The Martian will probably out-cost a whole bunch of movies trying to kill him.
The part where he says, "...secret meeting.." is a clear call-back to The Fellowship of the Ring, in which Merry and Pippin (two of the hobbits) are scolded for showing up uninvited to the secret Council of Elrond meeting.
@@timothywhite8130 Tangible proof? How did they get there maneuvering through a vacuum and leaving a pressurized environment into a vacuum? Tangible proof please. Cheers.
Almost every fault listed in the movie is explained in the book. Or in the case of him going all iron man is a joke in the book they added for effect. This is the problem with having science accurate movies. It's to complex and people don't understand it all
*inhales* Sin 8: they waited to see if the storm was too rough to wait out until they decided to scrub Sin 9: it was already tipping at that point Sin 11: it was the oxygen alarm that DID wake him up. He didn't happen to just wake up right then Sin 12: how is he supposed to remove his suit when the antenna goes through it and into him? Sin 14: blood from his wound sealed the breach in his suit as the water in it evaporated, leaving behind a gunky residue Sin 20: there's clearly a visible scar Sin 21: each crew member got to bring their own entertainment and Commander Lewis brought happy days episodes. It's not like NASA decided for them. Sin 23: i'm being way to picky, but a sol is 24 hours and 37 minutes, not 40 Sin 28: everyone secretly likes to listen to disco. Either you do or you're lying Sin 28(the second one): can't argue that Sin 30: because everyone secretly likes disco Sin 36: plenty of companies use bikes and golf carts to get around locally Sin 37: there even is a sandstorm a little later in the movie and Acidalia Planitia isn't that big of a place so every sandstorm on the planet doesn't have to hit the hab and the surrounding areas Also sin 37: on a planet with an atmosphere density of less than 1% of earths' you get alot of san diego weather Sin 38: he's a mechanical engineer and pathfinder didn't have advanced tech. He explains what he did to make it work in the book and it's about as complicated as connecting an xbox to the internet Sin 42: why would Beth need a password on her computer when she's on a planet with only 5 other people? Sin 46: if you look at the details of all the incidents, it is quite likely that he would survive Sin 47: Mark was reading what he was writing to himself, and Martinez was reading to the crew since they weren't watching the screen Sin 48: Mars' gravity is almost 2/3 of earths'. Of course things are gonna fall to the ground slower you fucktard Sin 49: he had a beard later in the movie. Some people have slow growing facial hair or shave often Sin 51: of course they couldn't have finished it in 2 weeks. Finishing something like that in 4 weeks would be abnormally fast Sin 57: they clearly needed it to resupply Hermes before it went back to mars Sin 61: he's basically a nobody so it makes sense for him to leave when they're gonna make a temporarily very secret decision Sin 63: what? The ARES 4 mav was made to bring humans to low mars orbit. It could never bring him back to earth on its own. It also didn't have any supplies other than rocket fuel. The other presupplies hadn't arrived yet Sin 65: if a launch fails it's usually at the very beginning so it makes sense to celebrate early Sin 67: Beck was there to assist if some part of the docking failed, which it didn't Sin 68 i clearly remember you complaining about the movie being long. You think showing 7 months of living on mars would have made it shorter? Sin 69: malnutrition and hundreds of hours in an eva suit could have given him those wounds on his back Sin 70: it's quite normal for men to want to grow a beard at some point in their life Sin 71: what the fuck? The hermes could make the trip that Rich calculated. The problem was the mav Sin 73: you said several things here so i'm just saying this: weight, time, money Sin 78: yes it is, in an atmosphere as dense as Trumps' brain cells Sin 79: it wouldn't be live anyway, the transmission times between mars and earth range from 5-ish to 22-ish minutes. Also, why would they need a delay if someone dies? They're not showing a video of him dying or anything. It would basically consist of them missing the intercept and Mark floating away to die hours later Sin 80: he had previously said that he MIGHT miss if it was moving that fast. He never said he couldn't do it Sin 82: that wasn't a part of the original plan, they had no other choice since things hadn't gone as smooth as they were supposed to Sin 84: everyone secretly likes disco *exhales*
Thank you for pointing out how dismally wrong this video was on a huge number of points. Having said that, having read the book first, I was essentially unable to enjoy this movie. The book was seriously funny, and this movie was just...not. Like, at ALL. If I'd seen the movie first, I feel like I could've enjoyed it. But only until I read the book, at which point I'd have to concede that, relatively speaking, the movie is a steaming pile.
71, I don't understand why they didn't adjust their loop's altitude from mars' surface before they approached biggest problem, the mav was designed with a certain weight to reach low orbit where the aris would be slowly orbiting, removing the 600+lbs of other passengers, and obviously a couple of TONS of other stuff, it should have been easily EASILY able to reach the new orbit path AND speed... they shouldn't have had to blow up the bow door (how convenient that it was directly in line with the ship's center of mass or it would have been spinning and tore itself to pieces since a large part in the middle was a spinning gyroscope of a living quarters... that had FAR too big "windows" facing forward??? wtf? where's the armoring in case it saw gravel on its path between earth and mars? and when they did blow the bow hatch and slow down... that would have majorly screwed up their flight path around mars, slight deviations would make it really hard for them to hit earth after slingshot around mars... and him using the thrusters to get closer to mars to meet mav? he was asked how much fuel he could spare? how did he know the amount in his head without checking on the computer? UGG, so many details just piss me off...also, why was that nuclear "heater" buried? giving off heat it would have overheated quickly... and he's digging it up to live with it without protection? why bury it in the first place? stick it next to a hill with a tarp over it to keep the dust off... UGGGGGGGG
this movie could have been a lot better if the editing was better. Earth got way too much screen time. Matt gets stranded and movie immediately cuts to the nasa director. could have kept earth out of the picture until matt figures out how to establish connection with earth. i never once felt matt's loneliness or that he's ever in any danger.
DJ Žanis because I don't know actually. It's pretty standard way to depict solitude on screen. You see that in Cast Away, Wall-E, and Gravity. Also, the NASA director was a pretty cliché redtape obstacle. One line of dialogue about how NASA needs good PR and his screen time could have been cut in half.
One of the things that happens in the book (spoilers sorry) is that Mark accidentally destroys his ability to contact Earth a while after establishing contact so he has to go ahead with the barest bones of a plan and the knowledge that a whole lot of people with way more information than him are watching him try to work out what the hell to do next. That was really the point in the story that the loneliness came to the forefront, at least for me, and I can't imagine why they cut it other than so they could have more interactions between characters playing off each other. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the story but oh well.
Andy Rockwell Well the only other explanation would be he got the wounds when his habitat exploded. If you look at the wounds it appears his skin is flaking off and blistering, they do not match any sort of physical damage he experienced during the film, unless they are implying he got them off camera.
I assumed they were bed sores, if he's trying to conserve as much energy as possible while rationing I can only assume he'd spend a lot of his time sleeping or otherwise lying down
About the Chinese Space Agency intervention: In the book was the dialogue the 2 Chinese people had and it wasn't adapted when it went into the movie. The old man was saying to his female assistant something like: "So we've got the ability to present ourselves as equals to the US but if we don't intervene there is no downside?" He smiled wryly as he said: "The party leadership would sell their own mothers for that."
It wasn't merely by offering to help that they would present as equals. their price for helping was having a Chinese crew member on the next Mars mission. *That* would make them look like America's equal.
@@odysseusrex5908 Neat little detail, in the credits scene showing the Ares 5 lift off, there's a Chinese astronaut aboard. Cool that they included that despite despite it only being mentioned in the book.
If you're paying 12+ dollars to see a movie in a theatre, why wouldn't you want to get your money's worth and have the movie be at least 2 hours rather than only an hour and a half?
+Thomas Kirkwood If you read the book, you already knew, what a duststorm on Mars looks like, like a gigantic cloud. Mark encounters one at his drive to the Ares IV site. Even Weir admitted, that the storm at the start isn't correct, but needed to start the story.
+UnCommentator Andy Weir (the author of the book) actually admitted that one up front, but said he needed a catastrophic event to start the story with his desired parameters (enough food left, mission duration...) for it all to work out with real mars and earth orbits and transfer windows.
Not everything... * Why is a movie set at least 15 years in the future using last years GoPro cameras, PCs and Cellphones. *Misses the Hermes performing a braking burn when it was supposed to be accelerating towards Earth for the flyby. *The MAV launch at the start of the film doesn't account for launch window limitations to rendezvous with the Hermes in orbit, if you just launch at a random time it won't have the fuel to get everyone home.
Should’ve removed a sin for the ‘Warner hears humans again’ scene. That was super touching and an incredibly accurate showing of human emotion as a whole.
Probably has to move the writers of CinemaSins than us. They've become too jaded by tropes and screenwriting contrivances for just any heartwarming moment to slip through
+Alex Miron Why? Because he states facts? Contrary to what you may believe, scientific inaccuracies in popular culture actually hurt us as a society due to the rampant ignorance going around. I'd much rather be told I'm wrong than go on being wrong and not knowing it.
yeah my bad i wrote that at like 3 am after waking up at 12 am the day before after falling asleep like 2 hours earlier. so i basically got 2 hours of sleep and then woke up and then stayed up till 3 am. i was tired as fuck and still am i only got 1 hour of sleep last night
It's not scurvy. In the book (but not mentioned in the film) he has an almost unlimited supply of multi-vitamins because so many take up such a small space they could bring a lot. There was enough to last the whole crew 3 times longer then their mission. Those marks (also in the book) are from all the physical labor he's been doing.
You missed the biggest one: during the penultimate rescue sequence, the people on Earth are getting real time updates on the events happening above Mars, which is several light-minutes away. This was even addressed earlier in the film.
The taking stuff out of the probe part has nothing to do with the Hermes circling around earth. It's the probe Matt is going to use to get into orbit. Please pay attention before you criticize something.
I mean, yes but also... ehhh. It has no bearing on the plot whatsoever, it was really just a matter of mutual respect between the authors of the respective works.
There is a ship mentioned in the 6th book of the expanse called the Mark Watney (some cargo ship that got pirated for a good cause) so the authors were okay with taking each other's stuff it seems
"Good thing Mark's unconsciousness had a time limit" This was actually explained with better detail in the book, but when enough pressure is lost in the suit it back fills with oxygen. As his suit didn't have an oxygenator to separate CO2 back into oxygen, CO2 is absorbed into a filter and oxygen and nitrogen are pulled in to replace it. But a ton of nitrogen was lost keeping the pressure in the suit so eventually the CO2 and Nitrogen was replaced by the back fill of oxygen. And humans can't breathe pure oxygen for very long (though concentrated amounts of it will wake a person the hell up) so the "oxygen level critical alarm would wake him as would the concentrate of oxygen itself
At normal pressure (900 - 1100 hPa) The time limit for pure Oxygen to breathe is something around 10 hours(!). At lower pressure (600 hPa) it is unlimited. The Apollo program used that trick to keep the mechanical stress on the spacecraft hull low. When using NITROX for recreational diving, you breathe Oxygen with up to 1400 hPa for more than an hour.
Ok i have a slight issue with the sin at 7:55 the MAV is meant to be sent long before the Aries 4 arrives, this is because the MAV makes its own rocket fuel on the planet to save weight. the other issue about the MAV is that there is no supplies except rocket fuel. no food, no water, nothing. those come in supply probes sent a few months before the Aries 4 arrives, these will have the food, but other than that nothing. Another issue at 6:25 the reason why they were cheering was because the takeoff was the part where they anticipated the rocket to fail as they didnt do any form of tests to ensure it was secure, it is also the most risky part of the rockets trip. they were not anticipating the rocket to explode, the only reason why it did was because the food supplies inside were food cubes in order to minimize the weight of the rocket while maximizing the amount of food inside, they did not know that these food cubes would almost liquify under the massive pressure and vibration and shift the weight of the rocket to the side with the weaker bolts that they also did not notice as they did not do any testing. issue 3 1:15 at this point the sin shouldnt be that he only just woke up at the perfect time but that there werent any other alarms going off, such as suit seal malfunction, nitrogen level critical, CO2 filters saturated, suit bio monitor malfunction etc, but only the oxygen level critical alarm was going off. the reason why he woke up was because while all of the other alarms were going off, the oxygen level critical one is the loudest and in this scene it had just started blaring in his ears, resulting in him waking up. another one 8:35 he has the back injuries because 1 malnutrition and starvation, and 2 because those space suits are no longer custom fit due to his weight loss and because of the constant trauma of the activity in those suits, the injuries appear. at 8:40 he was well groomed for the first portion of the movie because he actually cared about his looks at the start, as time went on, being alone and with noone else to judge, he just decided not to cut it anymore. i would stop cutting my hair too, especially with the malnutrition and starvation going on... my hair is the least of my problems. more issues at 9:00 the reason why the hermes could pick Mark up was because the ship is a gigantic thing which cannot be landed. and cannot be slowed down without loosing too much fuel and being unable to make it back, also they cannot go farther into orbit because then they will get stuck, thus Mark needs to modify the MAV. the calculations the other guy was talking about wasnt the ability to get Mark onto the hermes but to get the hermes to Mark in time before he starves to death. OMG 9:25 the chinese probe doesnt have fuel in it because the hermes is run on ion engines and the fuel will never get to Mark anyways because the hermes is only doing a flyby, not stopping and dropping off supplies. the fuel Mark has is all the fuel hes gona get. sigh... 10:00 the reason for the tarps is to reduce the massive air resistance. the tarps were not supposed to fall off, but due to the massive G forces they did. they had to remove all of the windows and the roof in order to make the ship barely light enough to be able to have just enough fuel to get close enough to the hermes and for Mark to be saved. they were very much against it, but they had to otherwise he would die. 10:35 gosh there are so many things wrong with this video the reason why he said he can make that work is because he didnt have any other choice. the intercept velocity was already as low as they could make it, its still insanely fast but he can still grab it. 10:50 the reason why they blew up part of the ship is to force some of the air at high speeds into space in order to allow for them to be close enough to Mark to grab him. read the book im tired of explaining these most of these you will only understand when you read the book. the whole movie makes a million times more sense when you read the book. the book is a trillion times better than the movie. the book is actually a completely plausible scenario, there are so many things that he could have done to make his life easier but he didnt do until he found out later. its more likely to happen this way in real life. the book was written by an engineer who thought through the whole thing step by step to make sure everything was scientifically accurate before publishing. id suggest just reading the book.
+Robert McKnight He's wearing his pressurized Space Suit, the MAV doesn't hold any atmosphere, plus the atmosphere of Mars is so light that wind resistance is no real issue.
9:05 They are not talking about Hermes, the fly path was calculated correctly. They are talking about the MAV that is sitting in Mars, which is supposed to go up only up to orbit, not further up in space. But yeah confusing unless one reads the book :)
Actually they explain that the issue was the Hermes didn't have enough fuel to go into low orbit to catch the MAV and the MAV was only designed to go into low orbit where the Hermes would be
Yes, because multi-mission earth-mars orbits with a long design life, less than half, would never need, use or plan faster transfer orbits. Especially using gravitational assists worked out by JPL in the 1970 and 1980s. Because, that option would never have occurred to anyone, they would never pre-deliver martian re-entry vehicles with reserve capacity to reach, catch or move extra supplies back to a fast moving mars to earth craft like Hermes -- except that earth-mars-earth-mars-earth transfers is what crafts like the Hermes were built to do. Unless going from earth-mars-sitting in orbit-rotting-to-earth is what the Hermes was supposed to do -- and just have half its design life wasted by leaving mars a bit too soon. Maybe that unused design life was not about fuel -- but about the number of micro-meteor perforations in the air filled compartments of Hermes. Maybe that had nothing to do with spare fuel, spare orbital maneuvering jets needed to catch low atmosphere assent vehicles in greater atmospheric friction conditions, but just food and water. (Did the Hermes just not have enough places to use potting soil to grow potatoes itself.)
Ok 1.) Congratulations on writing that much. 2.) Sorry, but not many people are going to read all of that. 2.) You earned a cookie. 3.) I put 2.) twice. 5.) You just looked to see if I did. 6.) 3.) should been 4.). 7.) You just checked that too. 8.) Nobody is reading this :(.
@@CACGaming-uc7sl The Oxygen warning was actually because his air was oversaturated with oxygen, due to his CO2 absorbers being full and his suit just doing the last possible thing and just pumping pure O2 in.
@@CACGaming-uc7sl Oxygen warnings typically happen before the oxygen levels are far enough off to be lethal. Wouldn't be much of a "warning" if it only went off when you were already screwed.
@@JrPlays True, but I was disappointed by the lack of knowledge or appreciation for the actual science and thought that went into this movie and a great deal of its effects and plot points. The Martian holds up very well under most scrutiny although the eating the potato with oil, salt and pepper on his plate but none on his potato did make me laugh.
The only thing I'd like to say is that some of the sins about the entertainment he partakes in (ie listening to Disco, watching Happy Days) is that these sins only exist because they didn't offer the weird throwaway line that the book gives us: in that everyone was only allowed to bring one form of personal entertainment with them or something (so like Happy Days was brought by one of his peers, and Disco was brought by the Captain) so he's only watching/listening because it's literally the only entertainment he had, but again, movie never gave us that throwaway line
Mars atmosphere pressure is 0.1% of that on earth. Can such a thin atmosphere even cause a storm with wind pressure strong enough to blow away anything larger than a dust particle?
R. Hoider I don't know how, but I did look it up and storms do happen on Mars. Although not to the speed they say caused the evacuation in the film - 160kph. They get to around 60kph I think, which is still fairly fast.
I would think they can get rather fast but with so much fewer molecules per m^3 the pressure such a storm generates should be very low (essentially 0.1% of the pressure generated by a storm of the same speed on earth).
Nice to see that confirmed by the author himself ;) I find several parts very unbelievable. For instance, Matt Damon seals the Station with tape and a big plastic bag. I hardly doubt that would be possible. Also, growing enough food just from your own poop seems impossible in particular given that the sun light is much weaker on Mars and the only source of CO2 would be your Lungs.
Mars gets crazy dust storms that can last for weeks at a time. But you're right, the wind speeds are relatively weak and aren't able to blast big objects around like a hurricane. Otherwise all the little toys (the small rovers) we've sent to Mars would have been destroyed fairly quickly. According to NASA, you could barely get a kite to fly on Mars during a storm.
Of course. Metric is much easier to work with. I think you should sin america for throwing out the poms, but not their measuring system, when your allies the french (remember them? You make lots of poor taste joke about them now) had metric.
4:09. He says not to say bring him home alive bc he doesn't want to make a promise to the people he can't for sure keep. The possibility of saving him is little and you don't want to get the citizen's hope's up.
Interesting take, i read it opposite. By saying "...alive" focuses on the nihilistic "omg, is he gonna die?!" train of thought. Whereas by not saying it keeps the public focused on the optimistic "we're gonna bring him home."
Thank You Dr Tyson. You are an incredible human and I’m so grateful for your thoughts and opinions on everything wished I could of been there the night you met Carl Sagan
The back wounds are from scurvy, which makes it much easier for a person to bruise. After living on almost entirely potatoes for many months, it makes sense that Mark would have a vitamin C deficiency.
I honestly wish Damon had scurvy in real life. Or something to prevent other movies with his fugly mug! Anyway, interesting explanation, Breanne. But those looked more like old scars
no single food has every single nutrient you need. it's kinda hard to get enough protein in vegetables, and potatoes. most of them don't have more than 15g of protein, which would explain why he had gotten quite skinny.
6:10 "Evidence that The Martian movie is fantasy: All who make important decisions are scientifically literate". There could not have been any truer statement. Lol
The shuttle doesn't need to be sealed. This is why Watney had his suit on. As explained in the movie, the lighter atmosphere negates the wind resistance as there is a greater drag coefficient but a much less dense atmosphere.
And that's where the story is inconsistent. Mars' atmosphere at the surface is only 6 mbar -- about 0.6% of Earth's surface pressure at sea level. This is equivalent of being at 5x the height of Mount Everest. This makes the inciting incident storm pretty much impossible; they're in what by terrestrial standards would be considered a vacuum. There's just not enough air to have that kind of storm. Mars has global dust storms, but the dust is finer than talc; its more like smoke really. And the top speeds are on the order 60 mph. You could stand up in one of them and hardly feel it.
This is admitted by the author as the one major scientific flaw in the book. But he wanted it in there because "The Martian" is, at heart, a man vs. nature story, and he wanted nature to get in the first blow.
Sin 21 is irrelevant. Happy days flash drive was among the personal possessions of the crew members that left without them since it was emergency escape. Same with Disco.
Can’t believe this missed the scene when Commender Lewis turned off the com so people on earth can’t hear their planning on blowing up to decelerate, while earlier it was stated clearly that there are 12 mins delay in com, people on earth couldn’t hear it in real time. And she announced their plan eventually.
They're not pandering to China. A book was written before the movie, and the author didn't care about China. The movie was just being similar to the book.
BAST7373 it being the only thing that makes sense doesn’t matter? In your mind any movie where murica doesn’t save the world is morally corrupt? Does it matter than nasa doesn’t exist anymore? Is the moral of the story being that human compassion and cooperation can overcome any problem and do it successfully not good enough for you?
NDGT at 6:14 says that the movie is fantasy because all who make important decisions are scientifically literate! As a former Boeing engineer I can relate! My description of the difficulty we engineers have in communicating seemingly simple and obvious concepts is "Like explaining to a Boeing supervisor that there are 254 Angstroms in a microinch".
8:41 if you actually watched the movie you would know he wanted to grow his beard out and called himself a space pirate, so why is there a sin, its a perfect explanation. 😂
The movie actually addressed the "tent on the nose" thing you sinned. There was this whole big scene about how wind resistance isn't a problem there because of the thin atmosphere. The bigger sin was actually that a windstorm posed a mortal danger to the mission, given the same thin atmosphere. But you didn't sin that.
I made a HUGE deal about watching this movie and my husband refused so I watched it alone and hated it, but since I made such a big deal about it I had to pretend that I loved it. :(
A lot of these sins could be removed if you read the book (amazing read, by the way), but then again, it IS the movie's fault for not including some exposition on those topics.
You can't remove a movie sin by reading the book. A movie has to stand on its own without the aid of the source material to tell its story. You judge it on its own merits.
Movies suck as a general rule when it comes to reality. For example Apollo 13 has the astronauts getting all upset and arguing but the truth is they remained calm. No one would get to be an astronaut unless they have demonstrated coolness under stressful situations.
+Shawn Lucas Diferent types of movies.. both sci-fi but Moon was more on ethics and personal level.. the Martian was more science and teamworking and ingenious to make stuff work together.. both are great but i find hard to directly compare them... the closest i saw to the Martian was Apollo XIII wich as you all know was real...
Need a sin for Watney being able to lift that nose cap when they said it's 400 kg. That's 880 lbs on Earth and even 333 lbs on Mars, when he was that skinny and frail.
In real life the Mars atmosphere would not be dense enough to knock over the first rocket from Mars but on the flip side air resistance would not cause a problem for the launch either. Also in real life the science behind the Martian rocket launches would work but it would require the rocket to sit on the surface of Mars for years collecting gas and converting it to the fuel. Mark launched way earlier than the mission intended which is why the rocket for the next mission was already there but did not have enough thrust to carry its full weight. Andy Weir is a meticulous genius and got almost all the science and NASA culture dead on.
Indeed. For all his attempts to be accurate, Weir gets the absolute most obvious part wrong, and it invalidates the entire premise of the movie. In the movie, the air pressure is shown in the hud, but never directly mentioned. 2hrs in, it's alluded to "by the time you're going fast enough to matter, there won't be any air." In fact, the atmosphere on Mars is so thin, it would take a 3000mph wind to have the energy of a gust on Earth. No known storm on Mars has ever had the energy to knock over the multi-TON MAV. If there were such a storm, there's NO WAY you'd be able to launch the MAV; as soon as it left the ground supports, it'd be tossed and flipped across the face of the planet like a paper plate at a picnic. (the RCS thrusters could barely right the ship; they would not cope with a high wind during launch.) Also, it would take a massive wind to pick up a grain of sand, so there would be none of the obviously large bits pelting their visors and windows. The difference in pressure inside the HAB is _enormous._ (Just under 13psi vs. just over 0.1psi) The plastic tarp, tape, and tow straps he used to close off the missing airlock would have somewhere over 85,000 pounds on it. Thus the plastic, tape, AND straps would NOT hold. And if it did, the wind wouldn't so much as make it ripple. (in fact, the rover at full speed wouldn't dent it -- tear the plastic, for sure.) It would never flap in the breeze as it does in the movie. Also, when you want to slow down the ship on your pass around Mars, you should turn off the main engine! The "blow the nose off to vent the air" braking maneuver is complete hollywood BS. The mass of the ship is several millions times that of the atmosphere inside it (which is part of that mass), so the air would have to accelerated to impossible speeds to get the throw-them-into-their-harness force shown. His IronMan Thrust Maneuver(tm) would also not work AT ALL. The instant his suit was breached it would put him into a 3-dimensional spin that would be totally uncorrectable. (once outside the cabin where there's nothing to grab to stop.) It would be impossible to control the thrust angle vs. center of mass to push you in the direction you want to go and not put you in a spin. (Ask Adam Savage how hard that is to do in Earth's gravity and atmosphere, with safety lines.) It's remotely possible to do what Wall-E did with a fire extinguisher.
@@jfbeam First, the storm was far more subdued in the book, and second, even before the movie and during the publication of the book, he maks it clear he wanted a man vs nature scene the get the movie going, and to emphasize the danger of mars, it was that or a mars quake.
Can we take a moment to point out that due to its thin atmosphere, there is no way for a storm of such magnitude as to rip apart a radio antenna and impale an astronaut
Also, and I know you don't care, by 1. China did the same thing in the book and 2. That they had planned the Elrond bit before realizing Sean bean was in lord of the rings
That's a detail in the book. The funding they were using they already had, they were just making modifications to the next Ares mission they were already working on. The only major shift came after the Hab breached and it became a rush to get supplies to Watney in time.
MooshroomGaming The fact your name is MooshroomGaming and you have a pfp of a fucking Mushroom Cow from Minecraft in 2017 I know you only got that from Film Theory
I really enjoyed this movie. I felt like it actually should have been longer. The only thing I didn’t like was how they got the pacing almost perfect until the last 20 minutes, then it felt rushed.
Actually, the astronauts repeating information that you point out during the beginning of the movie will very likely be standard procedure, especially for long missions like what they were showing. Not only does it help keep things fresh in their minds, but it also is an excellent barometer of how a person is doing, oxygen wise. The speech centers of the brain start to fuzz out before even electronic monitors can catch some dangerous situations.
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It should also be noted that in both Interstellar and The Martian, Matt Damon's character is left by himself on a planet for a long time and is in an airlock that violently depressurizes. I guess airlocks hate Matt Damon.
Hey General kidd
It should be said that everyone in cinema knows this and u r not unique pointing this out 😂😂😂😂😂
@@passiveagressive4983 I guess your name lives up.
@@passiveagressive4983 wow that was really... Passive aggressive huh?
Maybe Matt Damon hates airlocks....
He is actually a botanist and mechanical engineer, everyone on the team had multiple roles
yeah i read the book, they say it clearly.. everyone has different roles
I don't see why they didn't take 20 seconds and make those roles clear in the movie
@@JaredLentz Maybe because it's pretty obvious to most of us that anyone who goes to space has multiple roles of job in the first place, duh.
@@nine-vi7rw I'm sure anyone can think about it and realize that astronauts must have eclectic skill sets, but that's not my point here. My point is that the audience does not know what their roles are because the movie hardly mentions them. The fact that the German dude was an expert on calculating astrophysical trajectories was a pretty important plot point in the book. In the movie it's barely a mention.
@@JaredLentz Because its pretty hard to have that exposition without sounding too boring or cliché. The average movie watcher wouldn't really know what to do with that knowledge, and people who are more invest would've already read the book
By the way: when you were saying that he is a botanist and shouldn't have so much technological knowledge, he also serves as the crew's mechanical engineer.
Theodore Brosevelt exactly. He specializes in Botany, but he has to know everything. Hence, he can complete all the tasks.
Not exactly true. He has a degree in both botany and mechanical engineering (explained in the book). Most of the crew had more than one speciality. He can't do what Johanssen does in terms of IT, and so on.
If it's not explained in the movie, it never happened. The movie should stand on it's own legs.
Anyone sent into space by NASA would be required to have serious training in ship's operations, endless simulations where shit breaks down and needs to be fixed or jerry-rigged, and general technical know-how of all of their equipment, regardless of their primary specialty. Otherwise this endangers the entire crew. There's not much room for mistakes in space, and they can't afford to have the whole mission and crew ruined if the one mechanic dies or otherwise becomes incapacitated. Additionally, there are always beaucoup technical manuals sent with them.
This is one of the reasons the plot for the movie Gravity was so ridiculous - they sent a scientist into space who had very little training for space missions - this would never happen in real life.
Simen Indal jeez, so every little thing must be laid out for the audience to understand huh. Just use your brain and some common sense for a bit, does it even make sense for NASA to send a man to mars who only knows botany? Hell no
"The only space blockbuster where no one dies."
Wall-E would like to have a word with you.
That’s facts
Some robots were harmed in the making of that film...
I would argue the while of humanity on earth died off screen lol
@@captainteeko4579 then the only movies where no people die are when humans do not exist yet 😁
@@janluus9590 before the movie starts. During the movie itself there is no hint of anyone dying.
Not back wounds, thats rashes from malnutrition... that was one of the more accurate things in the movie I'm pretty sure. Super subtle.
***** Oh I assume thats what was in the book... I figure malnutrition would also explain it- but whats canon is canon.
the RTG
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator
It's not malnutrition since in the book it said it wouldn't be a problem with all those vitamin tablets and pills
pills can support you only for so long...
sooner or later you need the real deal, a real vegetable.
lol it IS true though. Being a Vegan isn't a bad thing either =D
15:30 NASA actually DOES use universal power cords for that EXACT purpose.It also makes repairs easier.
That's what I thought too
A lot of the ‘sins’ are things they happen in the book and are thoroughly explained. Although even the author admitted the sandstorm was just there to create a situation for Watney to survive as mars atmospheric pressure doesn’t even create storms that bad
You mean Wattney? not Wagner.
Kickback Woodwork Hence, CinemaSins and not BookSins
NinjaPro807 Touché lol
About the back wounds ( 8:37 ), I think they are sores due to malnutrition.
He has been living on mostly potatoes for a while at that point.
Also, I know the book doesn't count, but many of the issues are actually explained there.
What I'm basically saying is, read the book, it's amazing.
also explains he was the mechanic on board so he definitely knew how to fix 90% of the stuff and almost certainly would have known quite a bit about the rovers and stuff.
TheSouffleGirl 13 4 months late but the book was amazing.
Yeah I was going to comment this same thing but then saw this comment lol
And they skipped so many good parts and details :(
Truly. I got the book thinking 'how long can they make this a story'. I was utterly riveted. Terrific book.
See, I feel like for every sin, there's a perfectly legitimate counterpoint.
Definitely. This video sucks.
@@lessalazar9068 I like cinema sins but yea this video had a lot of issues with this good movie
The sins aren't meant to be taken seriously, this is the same with the rest of the vids, a lot of the sins are jokes so it's not very accurate
@@talha1349 ...this comment is literally just poking fun at that. That's what we do here. Poke fun.
@@nyphron3109 I was talking to TheFloodDude cus I was saying the sins don't meant he had loads of issues with the movie
Biggest problem with the movie: it was filmed on earth instead of being filmed on Mars, which would have made it much more realistic and authentic. A movie that takes place on Mars should also be made on Mars.
Should have added 100 sins for that.
Someone Else yeah cause that’s so fucking easy to do.
Kat Marie r/woosh
Derek Keenan zoooooomT
Someone Else are you being sarcastic?
Stop misspelling the subreddit
CinemaSins: Tries to say anything
Tyson: The Martian...
Aida Teferi making a joke lad no need to be so bent about it.
LuaEU Thanks for changing it. I was obviously in a bad mood that day. I’ll delete my previous comment.
Well he does have a PhD (among other merits) so...
@@daerdevvyl4314 I’m late but awesome honesty don’t get that much
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A phd that clearly doesn't help his knowledge of philosophy. Tyson is a hater and should stick to his science instead of trying to be clever about things outside his wheelhouse. That guy is the reason I thumbed the video down.
Also NASA really has universal sockets for everything after the Apollo 13 disaster
Was looking for this comment. I was like, come on. The book and movie were so well researched yet you couldn't google one thing?
Yup, intelligent comment
Shows how entertainment based his videos are. Most of his replies rely on being to progressive, traditional, or or literally anything smart.
@@funkyflames7430 Look, it's a movie.. No one said it was deGrasse accurate even though his self-serving observations are so damn clever how anyone not think as much of him as he does himself...
Bill I was talking about how unreliable and inconsistent the videos are. Hopping between all sorts of philosophies to say they did it wrong. I say, choose a philosophy and analyze it from that philosophical point of view, then the next, or do it simultaneously, but you have to differentiate between the many different philosophies, otherwise you sound two-faced.
I REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT THIS MOVIE HAS ANY SINS ITS AMAZING
10:52 is a sin cuz his centre of mass isnt directly above the centre of force
But interstellar was so much better.
@@jandro8370 doesnt mean that this movie is a bad movie
@@masayuki2454 from a scientific standpoint its alright
i just was reading a book about giraffe's. Did you know they are real? I thought they were fake until I read this article. Never saw one at the Bronx Zoo or in Sicially so I'm on the fence of their validity. There like unicorns or Hawks i always thought.
You can't kill this guy. He's fucking Jason Bourne.
Did he at least take him on a date first? ;)
+Kemp Plays haha
Unless if you're Dignam
+Nick Barrie damn right
Jason Bourne...Astronaut. Don't forget ;)
The "rocket with a tent" would work on Mars because the Martian atmosphere is so thin, it basically doesn't exist. Atmospheric pressure at the Martian surface is 600 Pa, which is nearly nothing compared to 101300 Pa atmosphere on Earth. Thus the single most scientifically inaccurate part of the movie is what began the entire plot, as the sandstorm would only have felt like a light breeze due to the thinness of the atmosphere.
Yeah, I have my own head canon about that windstorm--an asteroid impacted nearby (a few hundred km away) and created an extra-special big disturbance. No evidence or science to back that up, just wanting to give Andy Weir the benefit of the doubt for a very compelling story.
Well it's a movie perhaps their mars is different than ours.
ayyy ace combat pic
Yep, Andy Weir already admitted at the beginning that the "sand storm" depicted would not be possible. A main engine failure on the MAV was another possible, more realistic way they could have gotten stranded on Mars. But obviously that's not as sexy.
Actually their storms can get quite rough, although a rare occurrence (as said in the book, it would take months or years for his body to be covered by the sand) there are a few rough storms on the planet.
"It is unlikely that even these dust storms could strand an astronaut on Mars, however. Even the wind in the largest dust storms likely could not tip or rip apart major mechanical equipment. The winds in the strongest Martian storms top out at about 60 miles per hour, less than half the speed of some hurricane-force winds on Earth."
www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/the-fact-and-fiction-of-martian-dust-storms
6:12 "Evidence that the Martian movie is fantasy: All who make important decisions are scientifically literate." LMAO
This is why I despise Tyson. What kind of stupid remark is that to make regarding a movie that is all about NASA? I suppose Gene Kranz, who was NASA's second Chief Flight Director (after the legendary Chris Kraft, who practically built NASA) throughout the Gemini and Apollo programs, and who directed both the first moon landing of Apollo 11 and the Apollo 13 incident, never made an important decision during all their time at NASA?
What important life-and-death decisions has Tyson ever made? To continue sucking up to actual scientist Carl Sagan was no doubt his best personal decision, otherwise he'd be doing voice-over work for syndicated planetarium shows. He might be the go-to guy is Disney needs a new Darth Vader voice.
I give him the benefit of the doubt that he know the pickup of Watney was impossible, given his comment about "fantasizing the remaining science." As ripping a yarn as is "The Martian," I could never have written that ending with such a huge plot hole. The author should have figured out a way to get Hermes enough fuel to get into an orbit that the MAV could have matched, at least to the extent shown in the movie.
@@ShroomKeppie I find it funny how people like you bash on Tyson even though he's easily 1000 times the man you'll ever be XD
@@shykorustotora you don't need a professional chef to say that something doesn't taste good
That's why it's called "Science FICTION."
ding.
@@bryanchen8672 You need to be a professional chef to tell another professional chef if he's doing something wrong. If you're just a basic home cook and you try to tell off a professional chef, you a dumb bch
2:52 I love that scene. The "premature celebration" was very intentional and done better than in other movies. Give some credit dang it!
Because he is both a botanist AND an Engineer, just as the Doctor also covered EVA runs. All astronauts have dual specialty, so they can get the effect of two astronauts with the mass, oxygen and dietary requirements of only one.
6:26 They where clapping because the rocket had just made it past max-Q, the highest point of aerodynamic pressure on the vehicle during launch.
Which is typically where the danger is over. A failure would have happened before or at that point. so the sin stands.
I’m definitely no scientist but I think Ive seen someone explain that as the vehicle had made it through without crumpling from the pressure, but that breaking out of that point had caused it to vibrate and flip sideways, which then caused it to ‘splode 😊
@@57thorns In the movie, it was explained not as a failure of the rockets structure, but of the supply load. They state that the weight of the supplies shifted, resulting in the rocket spinning from imbalance. So they actually covered that in the film.
You know it is a joke right?
@@KatieAlexandraXO It was explained a bit more in the book. The food is basically compressed nutrients with oil, and normally they wouldn't send blocks of food that big into space, so when a block of food that big got sent into space, the oil gets sloshed around and threw the balance off enough to spin the rocket.
The rash and cuts on his back is caused by scurvey which you get by not eating fruits and all he has been eating is potatoes.
oh I was wondering when I watched the movie what happened
Rowon's Flow Yea lol
Shouldn't his teeth have fallen out and/or become hideous? Wonder why they didn't show those effects of the disease.
cory stereo We never got a good shot of his teeth and if its not caused by that it could because he was launched 30 feet into the air. xD
Actually, I have suffered from scurvy, due to a stretch when I was young and somehow independent , avoiding nutrition feverishly, it led to sores all over my body, but didn't suffer any dental damage.
Love that Dr. Tyson keeps stepping in to point out how great this movie is. And I will always have a soft spot in my heart for his movie after watching it with my father, and reading parts of the book to him.
In the book, they don’t do the “Ironman” flying thing. The ship blowing the hatch works just enough to make grabbing him possible. The book was also way more funny.
I really wish they would have spent more time on the journey to the MAV. The dust storm and flipping the rover. And how could they not mention "pirate Ninjas" !
scott S I think you mean “Space Pirate” and didn’t they cover it? I remember he explained the “international waters” and how he is “pirate, a space pirate”. Yeah, about 1/3rd of the book was the journey to the MAV. All the witty nerd jokes didn’t make the movie cut either... like the “Pythagorus was a dick” joke...
@@stateeva yeah they did do the space pirate. But the pirate ninja is the name he gave to how much energy the solar panels would make in a Martian Sol I think. It was a unit of energy I remember that
scott S Ohh yeah, your right, they skipped that.
I’m pretty sure he makes reference to flying like Ironman in the books
This was a hard movie to do cinema sins on huh?, SO many of these sins are barely sin's XD.
Love it!
Andy Weir did a lot of research when writing the book so the movie reflects that. He deliberately took artistic license with some stuff though.
I sin your apostrophe in the word sins
@@spongeboy1985 Actually after I read the book I kinda disliked movie... Yeah, I know that they had timespan to cover the whole book, but some things were too simplified. For example - whole trip was just too easy for him, no sand storm, he had connection all the way, while in the book he lost it while transforming his rover to travell so they had no idea what is he going to do exactly. And the rendezvous on orbit? Too Hollywoody, They catch him normally... I guess for sake of fun they had to "improve" the scene, but those parts really made mi dislike a movie a bit...
When you stop and realize how many cast members did a MCU/Marvel role:
Jessica Chastain - Vox, X-Men
Michael Pena - Luis, Ant-Man
Kate Mara - Sue Storm, Fan4stic
Sebastian Stan - Bucky Barnes, Winter Soldier
Chiwetel Ejiofor - Mordo, Doctor Strange
Benedict Wong - Wong, Doctor Strange (what, you wanted more?)
Donald Glover - Aaron Davis, Spiderman
and finally....
Matt Daeeemon - Iron Man :D
And it's almost short as half the length of the Interstellar video.
"Clear pandering to Chinese audiences to be one of the movies that goes to China is clear pandering."
The Martian was based on a book. That plot point was also in the book. The author put the book up for free on a blog and then sold it for 99 cents through Amazon self-publishing. I...don't think he was pandering.
I know, this is just dumb. I feel like this movie didn’t do the book justice, I WOULD KNOW BECAUSE I READ IT.
This is CinemaSins remember? You think Jeremy actually *thinks* when making these videos or watching these movies? XD LOL
@Anonymous Anonymous, you don't pay attention. The script is based on a book by Andy Weir. The exact same thing happened in the book. The book was never intended to become a movie.
I get that the CCP are a bunch of malevolent, nefarious evildoers. I hate them too. Andy Weir is not a malevolent, nefarious evildoer.
Anyway, the Chinese space program didn't lend their rocket for humanitarian reasons. They did it for political and prestige reasons, to put one of their astronauts in on the Ares 5 crew.
Too bad he didnt read the book. One of my favorites.
@@hollow505 fr. Still the only book ive read 4 times
Combined with just seeing a deleted scene from this movie in which he mentions the cost of his rescue, I think CinemaSins should do a special "What's The Damage" episode on the total amount of money spent rescuing Matt Damon across all the movies that involve him being rescued (basically every movie he's in).
Nope. In movies that are not trying to save Matt Damon, they are trying to kill him
@@peterkiviat9969 I've not seen all his movies. In that case, I could see a tally made of how much spent saving him and a tally of how much spent trying to kill him, and compare how much has been spent on each objective. Given the cost of space missions, The Martian will probably out-cost a whole bunch of movies trying to kill him.
I can imagine you going to a theater with a bell, and doing the sins in real life.
lol
lmao It's a helluva picture you're making
I know, old comment, but I'd actually pay for this.
@@ichmeiner4531 same bro
7:19 The meeting is called "Project Elrond' in the book. So the entire inclusion of Sean Bean in the film was an in-joke?
I mean... Probably at least partially
The part where he says, "...secret meeting.." is a clear call-back to The Fellowship of the Ring, in which Merry and Pippin (two of the hobbits) are scolded for showing up uninvited to the secret Council of Elrond meeting.
Wait, did he just sin the "slow-motion"? It's called low-gravity. Ding.
I thought gravity was the same as earth on mars
@@polak.7144 it's actually slightly less but ok
@@timothywhite8130 And how do you know this as fact?
@@timothywhite8130 Tangible proof? How did they get there maneuvering through a vacuum and leaving a pressurized environment into a vacuum? Tangible proof please. Cheers.
@@Scottish-Greg we have not made it to Mars yet. What evidence do you want. They did the math to find this answer?
Of course, in the book, Mark's also an engineer, which explains why he's so good with tech. And of course, the movie doesn't include that part.
Almost every fault listed in the movie is explained in the book. Or in the case of him going all iron man is a joke in the book they added for effect. This is the problem with having science accurate movies. It's to complex and people don't understand it all
*inhales*
Sin 8: they waited to see if the storm was too rough to wait out until they decided to scrub
Sin 9: it was already tipping at that point
Sin 11: it was the oxygen alarm that DID wake him up. He didn't happen to just wake up right then
Sin 12: how is he supposed to remove his suit when the antenna goes through it and into him?
Sin 14: blood from his wound sealed the breach in his suit as the water in it evaporated, leaving behind a gunky residue
Sin 20: there's clearly a visible scar
Sin 21: each crew member got to bring their own entertainment and Commander Lewis brought happy days episodes. It's not like NASA decided for them.
Sin 23: i'm being way to picky, but a sol is 24 hours and 37 minutes, not 40
Sin 28: everyone secretly likes to listen to disco. Either you do or you're lying
Sin 28(the second one): can't argue that
Sin 30: because everyone secretly likes disco
Sin 36: plenty of companies use bikes and golf carts to get around locally
Sin 37: there even is a sandstorm a little later in the movie and Acidalia Planitia isn't that big of a place so every sandstorm on the planet doesn't have to hit the hab and the surrounding areas
Also sin 37: on a planet with an atmosphere density of less than 1% of earths' you get alot of san diego weather
Sin 38: he's a mechanical engineer and pathfinder didn't have advanced tech. He explains what he did to make it work in the book and it's about as complicated as connecting an xbox to the internet
Sin 42: why would Beth need a password on her computer when she's on a planet with only 5 other people?
Sin 46: if you look at the details of all the incidents, it is quite likely that he would survive
Sin 47: Mark was reading what he was writing to himself, and Martinez was reading to the crew since they weren't watching the screen
Sin 48: Mars' gravity is almost 2/3 of earths'. Of course things are gonna fall to the ground slower you fucktard
Sin 49: he had a beard later in the movie. Some people have slow growing facial hair or shave often
Sin 51: of course they couldn't have finished it in 2 weeks. Finishing something like that in 4 weeks would be abnormally fast
Sin 57: they clearly needed it to resupply Hermes before it went back to mars
Sin 61: he's basically a nobody so it makes sense for him to leave when they're gonna make a temporarily very secret decision
Sin 63: what? The ARES 4 mav was made to bring humans to low mars orbit. It could never bring him back to earth on its own. It also didn't have any supplies other than rocket fuel. The other presupplies hadn't arrived yet
Sin 65: if a launch fails it's usually at the very beginning so it makes sense to celebrate early
Sin 67: Beck was there to assist if some part of the docking failed, which it didn't
Sin 68 i clearly remember you complaining about the movie being long. You think showing 7 months of living on mars would have made it shorter?
Sin 69: malnutrition and hundreds of hours in an eva suit could have given him those wounds on his back
Sin 70: it's quite normal for men to want to grow a beard at some point in their life
Sin 71: what the fuck? The hermes could make the trip that Rich calculated. The problem was the mav
Sin 73: you said several things here so i'm just saying this: weight, time, money
Sin 78: yes it is, in an atmosphere as dense as Trumps' brain cells
Sin 79: it wouldn't be live anyway, the transmission times between mars and earth range from 5-ish to 22-ish minutes. Also, why would they need a delay if someone dies? They're not showing a video of him dying or anything. It would basically consist of them missing the intercept and Mark floating away to die hours later
Sin 80: he had previously said that he MIGHT miss if it was moving that fast. He never said he couldn't do it
Sin 82: that wasn't a part of the original plan, they had no other choice since things hadn't gone as smooth as they were supposed to
Sin 84: everyone secretly likes disco
*exhales*
Thank you for pointing out how dismally wrong this video was on a huge number of points. Having said that, having read the book first, I was essentially unable to enjoy this movie.
The book was seriously funny, and this movie was just...not. Like, at ALL. If I'd seen the movie first, I feel like I could've enjoyed it. But only until I read the book, at which point I'd have to concede that, relatively speaking, the movie is a steaming pile.
71, I don't understand why they didn't adjust their loop's altitude from mars' surface before they approached
biggest problem, the mav was designed with a certain weight to reach low orbit where the aris would be slowly orbiting, removing the 600+lbs of other passengers, and obviously a couple of TONS of other stuff, it should have been easily EASILY able to reach the new orbit path AND speed... they shouldn't have had to blow up the bow door (how convenient that it was directly in line with the ship's center of mass or it would have been spinning and tore itself to pieces since a large part in the middle was a spinning gyroscope of a living quarters... that had FAR too big "windows" facing forward??? wtf? where's the armoring in case it saw gravel on its path between earth and mars?
and when they did blow the bow hatch and slow down... that would have majorly screwed up their flight path around mars, slight deviations would make it really hard for them to hit earth after slingshot around mars...
and him using the thrusters to get closer to mars to meet mav? he was asked how much fuel he could spare? how did he know the amount in his head without checking on the computer?
UGG, so many details just piss me off...also, why was that nuclear "heater" buried? giving off heat it would have overheated quickly... and he's digging it up to live with it without protection? why bury it in the first place? stick it next to a hill with a tarp over it to keep the dust off... UGGGGGGGG
*clap clap clap....clap*
this movie could have been a lot better if the editing was better.
Earth got way too much screen time. Matt gets stranded and movie immediately cuts to the nasa director.
could have kept earth out of the picture until matt figures out how to establish connection with earth.
i never once felt matt's loneliness or that he's ever in any danger.
wow i never thought of that...that would be cool.
why don't you start making movies
good idea tho
DJ Žanis
because I don't know actually.
It's pretty standard way to depict solitude on screen.
You see that in Cast Away, Wall-E, and Gravity.
Also, the NASA director was a pretty cliché redtape obstacle. One line of dialogue about how NASA needs good PR and his screen time could have been cut in half.
bananian true. I think hollywood doesn't pay enough attention to being original and clever with their character/ plot development.
One of the things that happens in the book (spoilers sorry) is that Mark accidentally destroys his ability to contact Earth a while after establishing contact so he has to go ahead with the barest bones of a plan and the knowledge that a whole lot of people with way more information than him are watching him try to work out what the hell to do next. That was really the point in the story that the loneliness came to the forefront, at least for me, and I can't imagine why they cut it other than so they could have more interactions between characters playing off each other. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the story but oh well.
"Matt Damon"
-Matt Damon, Team America
What?
+Tommo Matt Damon
+Tommo Matt Damon
+Tommo if you haven't seen team america clearly the joke isn't intended for you
Matt Damon.
I think hearing Neil say "sciencing the shit out of everything" is the greatest thing ever
The wounds on his back are the effects of radiation on his body, and the lack of nutrients is making it difficult for his body to repair the damage.
Incorrect.
Andy Rockwell Well the only other explanation would be he got the wounds when his habitat exploded. If you look at the wounds it appears his skin is flaking off and blistering, they do not match any sort of physical damage he experienced during the film, unless they are implying he got them off camera.
I assumed they were bed sores, if he's trying to conserve as much energy as possible while rationing I can only assume he'd spend a lot of his time sleeping or otherwise lying down
+Casual Alien I assume the sores are evidence of Scurvy. His supply of vitamin C was no limitless.
+Ryan Miller Same, I figured it was malnutrition and that was his body slowly decaying.
About the Chinese Space Agency intervention:
In the book was the dialogue the 2 Chinese people had and it wasn't adapted when it went into the movie. The old man was saying to his female assistant something like:
"So we've got the ability to present ourselves as equals to the US but if we don't intervene there is no downside?"
He smiled wryly as he said: "The party leadership would sell their own mothers for that."
It wasn't merely by offering to help that they would present as equals. their price for helping was having a Chinese crew member on the next Mars mission. *That* would make them look like America's equal.
@@odysseusrex5908 Neat little detail, in the credits scene showing the Ares 5 lift off, there's a Chinese astronaut aboard. Cool that they included that despite despite it only being mentioned in the book.
Why is a long movie a problem for people these days.
Qas Perr Takes away from instagram time.
Evija3000 what's an instagram?
Are you serious?
idk
If you're paying 12+ dollars to see a movie in a theatre, why wouldn't you want to get your money's worth and have the movie be at least 2 hours rather than only an hour and a half?
I love how Neil kept interrupting him pointing out how this movie/book was a masterpiece
Yea NASA in real life is exactly like it is in the movie 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
+1 because the strongest wind storms on Mars are a light breeze.
+UnCommentator And even a light breeze can blow over objects with large cross-sectional areas.
I think that was discovered after the book...
+Thomas Kirkwood but not after the movie, so another sin for not fixing that flaw *ding*
+Thomas Kirkwood If you read the book, you already knew, what a duststorm on Mars looks like, like a gigantic cloud. Mark encounters one at his drive to the Ares IV site. Even Weir admitted, that the storm at the start isn't correct, but needed to start the story.
+UnCommentator Andy Weir (the author of the book) actually admitted that one up front, but said he needed a catastrophic event to start the story with his desired parameters (enough food left, mission duration...) for it all to work out with real mars and earth orbits and transfer windows.
But Dr. Ty-*"The Martian..."*
Hello Dr. Tys- *"The Martian..."*
Wait what are y- *"The Martian..."*
Okay we get i- *"The Martian..."*
tyson is not a scientist, he is an actor
Antonio Wakardo Yes he is
you must be one of those...special fellas
what th-*"The Martian..."*
... ... ..-*"The Martian..."*
Not everything...
* Why is a movie set at least 15 years in the future using last years GoPro cameras, PCs and Cellphones.
*Misses the Hermes performing a braking burn when it was supposed to be accelerating towards Earth for the flyby.
*The MAV launch at the start of the film doesn't account for launch window limitations to rendezvous with the Hermes in orbit, if you just launch at a random time it won't have the fuel to get everyone home.
+Scott Manley Hullooo
+Scott Manley hullo
+Scott Manley, replicate this movie in KSP 😜
+Scott Manley Oh, hullo! Yep, you got everything i was going to comment about, then more.
Scott Manley to the rescue!
boromir explaining the elrond code name absolutely made my day -1 sin on that
Should’ve removed a sin for the ‘Warner hears humans again’ scene. That was super touching and an incredibly accurate showing of human emotion as a whole.
Agreed , wholeheartedly
Time?
Probably has to move the writers of CinemaSins than us. They've become too jaded by tropes and screenwriting contrivances for just any heartwarming moment to slip through
Oh god, Neil deGrasse Tyson? This video won't be annoying 😑
Wat?
+Alex Miron Sorry to be a downer, but he just used a sound board, it isn't actually him, lol!
+Alex Miron Why? Because he states facts? Contrary to what you may believe, scientific inaccuracies in popular culture actually hurt us as a society due to the rampant ignorance going around. I'd much rather be told I'm wrong than go on being wrong and not knowing it.
lol clutch them pearls
Tom Guy i understand, but a scientist pointing out every mistake In a fictional movie? Fuck that.
the back wounds was from scurvy he's suffering from malnutrition
AKA science fact
I always thought it may be radiation sickness from his decaying isotope.
False, vitamins have vitamin c and his diet was primarily potato
+I'm Waldo "Potatoes* have vitamin C", you mean?
yeah my bad i wrote that at like 3 am after waking up at 12 am the day before after falling asleep like 2 hours earlier. so i basically got 2 hours of sleep and then woke up and then stayed up till 3 am. i was tired as fuck and still am i only got 1 hour of sleep last night
It's not scurvy. In the book (but not mentioned in the film) he has an almost unlimited supply of multi-vitamins because so many take up such a small space they could bring a lot. There was enough to last the whole crew 3 times longer then their mission. Those marks (also in the book) are from all the physical labor he's been doing.
You missed the biggest one: during the penultimate rescue sequence, the people on Earth are getting real time updates on the events happening above Mars, which is several light-minutes away. This was even addressed earlier in the film.
The taking stuff out of the probe part has nothing to do with the Hermes circling around earth. It's the probe Matt is going to use to get into orbit. Please pay attention before you criticize something.
NEEEEEERD
*ding*
+xbob Driesestig bless!
+Jan Matti lol
Oh shit
+xbob Driesestig "Please pay attention before you criticize something" Someones salty
3:35, hearing Tyson say sciencing the s*it out of everything xD
i had that part downloaded boi
CHECK MATE ....i was going to say the same thing. Lol
He also was on a Hot Ones episode and went "SCIENCE BITCH" and threw up a gang sign lmao Tyson is a god
@@ImThe5thKing Let's not forget how he handled B.O.B. and Flat Earthers
Nicr
Turns out they left him on mars purposely as a social experiment
Gearshift Arc211138 Lmao
Really?
Its just a prank bro
Man was kept in Mars for YEARS: You'll never guess the effects!
Ethan bradberry
Canonically, The Martian is a prequel to The Expanse book series, just in case anyone was wondering. (the authors confirmed it)
I mean, yes but also... ehhh. It has no bearing on the plot whatsoever, it was really just a matter of mutual respect between the authors of the respective works.
You can’t have the Razorback it’s gone and gone and gone
There is a ship mentioned in the 6th book of the expanse called the Mark Watney (some cargo ship that got pirated for a good cause) so the authors were okay with taking each other's stuff it seems
Everything wrong with "teen baby sitter get pounded"
+Jams San That confuses me - is the babysitter a teen or is the baby a teen?
The baby is a teen
+fun1k you got it all wrong. he meant a teenager gets beaten up for sitting on a baby
No I want to see 'Everything wrong with "Busty step mom sucks and swallows teen son"
+Jams San With Dr. Niell deGras...... wait what ???
"Good thing Mark's unconsciousness had a time limit"
This was actually explained with better detail in the book, but when enough pressure is lost in the suit it back fills with oxygen. As his suit didn't have an oxygenator to separate CO2 back into oxygen, CO2 is absorbed into a filter and oxygen and nitrogen are pulled in to replace it. But a ton of nitrogen was lost keeping the pressure in the suit so eventually the CO2 and Nitrogen was replaced by the back fill of oxygen. And humans can't breathe pure oxygen for very long (though concentrated amounts of it will wake a person the hell up) so the "oxygen level critical alarm would wake him as would the concentrate of oxygen itself
At normal pressure (900 - 1100 hPa) The time limit for pure Oxygen to breathe is something around 10 hours(!). At lower pressure (600 hPa) it is unlimited. The Apollo program used that trick to keep the mechanical stress on the spacecraft hull low.
When using NITROX for recreational diving, you breathe Oxygen with up to 1400 hPa for more than an hour.
*Because Science!
Ok i have a slight issue with the sin at 7:55
the MAV is meant to be sent long before the Aries 4 arrives, this is because the MAV makes its own rocket fuel on the planet to save weight. the other issue about the MAV is that there is no supplies except rocket fuel. no food, no water, nothing. those come in supply probes sent a few months before the Aries 4 arrives, these will have the food, but other than that nothing.
Another issue at 6:25
the reason why they were cheering was because the takeoff was the part where they anticipated the rocket to fail as they didnt do any form of tests to ensure it was secure, it is also the most risky part of the rockets trip. they were not anticipating the rocket to explode, the only reason why it did was because the food supplies inside were food cubes in order to minimize the weight of the rocket while maximizing the amount of food inside, they did not know that these food cubes would almost liquify under the massive pressure and vibration and shift the weight of the rocket to the side with the weaker bolts that they also did not notice as they did not do any testing.
issue 3 1:15
at this point the sin shouldnt be that he only just woke up at the perfect time but that there werent any other alarms going off, such as suit seal malfunction, nitrogen level critical, CO2 filters saturated, suit bio monitor malfunction etc, but only the oxygen level critical alarm was going off. the reason why he woke up was because while all of the other alarms were going off, the oxygen level critical one is the loudest and in this scene it had just started blaring in his ears, resulting in him waking up.
another one 8:35
he has the back injuries because 1 malnutrition and starvation, and 2 because those space suits are no longer custom fit due to his weight loss and because of the constant trauma of the activity in those suits, the injuries appear.
at 8:40
he was well groomed for the first portion of the movie because he actually cared about his looks at the start, as time went on, being alone and with noone else to judge, he just decided not to cut it anymore. i would stop cutting my hair too, especially with the malnutrition and starvation going on... my hair is the least of my problems.
more issues at 9:00
the reason why the hermes could pick Mark up was because the ship is a gigantic thing which cannot be landed. and cannot be slowed down without loosing too much fuel and being unable to make it back, also they cannot go farther into orbit because then they will get stuck, thus Mark needs to modify the MAV. the calculations the other guy was talking about wasnt the ability to get Mark onto the hermes but to get the hermes to Mark in time before he starves to death.
OMG 9:25
the chinese probe doesnt have fuel in it because the hermes is run on ion engines and the fuel will never get to Mark anyways because the hermes is only doing a flyby, not stopping and dropping off supplies. the fuel Mark has is all the fuel hes gona get.
sigh... 10:00
the reason for the tarps is to reduce the massive air resistance. the tarps were not supposed to fall off, but due to the massive G forces they did. they had to remove all of the windows and the roof in order to make the ship barely light enough to be able to have just enough fuel to get close enough to the hermes and for Mark to be saved. they were very much against it, but they had to otherwise he would die.
10:35 gosh there are so many things wrong with this video
the reason why he said he can make that work is because he didnt have any other choice. the intercept velocity was already as low as they could make it, its still insanely fast but he can still grab it.
10:50
the reason why they blew up part of the ship is to force some of the air at high speeds into space in order to allow for them to be close enough to Mark to grab him. read the book im tired of explaining these
most of these you will only understand when you read the book. the whole movie makes a million times more sense when you read the book. the book is a trillion times better than the movie. the book is actually a completely plausible scenario, there are so many things that he could have done to make his life easier but he didnt do until he found out later. its more likely to happen this way in real life. the book was written by an engineer who thought through the whole thing step by step to make sure everything was scientifically accurate before publishing. id suggest just reading the book.
Too long, no one cares
Thank you! Seriously people, read this!
@@navalidon581 i do!
Even without reading the book, everything you explained was covered in the movie
Cinema sins isn't a real critique channel. It's all jokes.
“First get your facts straight, then distort them at your leisure” - Mark Twain
11:15 What? No! Mark becoming the famous and beloved instructor is an awesome ending. Keep that in, movie.
I agree!
EVERYTHING WRONG WITH MAZE RUNNER; SCORCH TRIALS
That's just everything no point
+TheTwinkleStar the whole movie
It existing
Lol guys the movie wasn't that bad calm tf down before people start playing spot the butt hurt book fan
It was that bad. Also "spot the butt hurt book fan"? Why is everyone "butt hurt" now? Someone can't just be upset?
1:50 That storm is the only incorrect science in this movie. The worst storms on Mars are light breezes
Ikr
+Robert McKnight He's wearing his pressurized Space Suit, the MAV doesn't hold any atmosphere, plus the atmosphere of Mars is so light that wind resistance is no real issue.
Someone here watches film theory! I'm glad you commented this.
+Robert McKnight The tarp wasn't meant to hold in pressurized atmosphere, it was meant to decrease drag, which is mentioned in the film.
+Robert McKnight There was no pressurized atmosphere in the ship. It was depressurized. He was in his EVA suit.
Kinda miffed they didn’t show the gluing his hand to his faceplate part from the book.
Or the rover tipping over
9:05 They are not talking about Hermes, the fly path was calculated correctly. They are talking about the MAV that is sitting in Mars, which is supposed to go up only up to orbit, not further up in space. But yeah confusing unless one reads the book :)
book was _worlds_ better than the movie
Unfortunately "The books don't matter".
Actually they explain that the issue was the Hermes didn't have enough fuel to go into low orbit to catch the MAV and the MAV was only designed to go into low orbit where the Hermes would be
Yes, because multi-mission earth-mars orbits with a long design life, less than half, would never need, use or plan faster transfer orbits. Especially using gravitational assists worked out by JPL in the 1970 and 1980s. Because, that option would never have occurred to anyone, they would never pre-deliver martian re-entry vehicles with reserve capacity to reach, catch or move extra supplies back to a fast moving mars to earth craft like Hermes -- except that earth-mars-earth-mars-earth transfers is what crafts like the Hermes were built to do. Unless going from earth-mars-sitting in orbit-rotting-to-earth is what the Hermes was supposed to do -- and just have half its design life wasted by leaving mars a bit too soon.
Maybe that unused design life was not about fuel -- but about the number of micro-meteor perforations in the air filled compartments of Hermes. Maybe that had nothing to do with spare fuel, spare orbital maneuvering jets needed to catch low atmosphere assent vehicles in greater atmospheric friction conditions, but just food and water. (Did the Hermes just not have enough places to use potting soil to grow potatoes itself.)
Ok 1.) Congratulations on writing that much. 2.) Sorry, but not many people are going to read all of that. 2.) You earned a cookie. 3.) I put 2.) twice. 5.) You just looked to see if I did. 6.) 3.) should been 4.). 7.) You just checked that too. 8.) Nobody is reading this :(.
Mark Watney regained consciousness after being impaled because of the oxygen warning.
Jadon Xia I call bullshite, I feel the lack of oxygen would keep him sleeping, and I fail to believe that shitty warning could’ve done it
@@CACGaming-uc7sl The Oxygen warning was actually because his air was oversaturated with oxygen, due to his CO2 absorbers being full and his suit just doing the last possible thing and just pumping pure O2 in.
@@Miss_Phoenix_56 yeah, i read it over again, thanks for the reminder.
@@CACGaming-uc7sl Oxygen warnings typically happen before the oxygen levels are far enough off to be lethal. Wouldn't be much of a "warning" if it only went off when you were already screwed.
well in the book...
Fuck the book, this is the movie.
+Cellkist I know it was just a prank
Your pic looks way to much like th nazi symbol.
wimo cartew Good.
+Mr.Fuzyhat Cornelius
Nah, its a social experiment gone sexual.
So i remembered why i dont watch CinemaSins anymore, went from sins to just dumb judgement and little understand of the plot
That's the point of the channel.
@@omarvi280 it wasn't long ago he used to point out actual contradictions
@@JrPlays True, but I was disappointed by the lack of knowledge or appreciation for the actual science and thought that went into this movie and a great deal of its effects and plot points. The Martian holds up very well under most scrutiny although the eating the potato with oil, salt and pepper on his plate but none on his potato did make me laugh.
Uh, the video is 4 years old, chief.
@@liamm7031 they haven't really changed though
2:05 That is an incredibly inefficient way to make ruts. He makes the rut, then walks all the way back?! Just make it on your trip back Watney!
Looking back that is incredibly time and labour inefficient lol.
He might be a botanist, but he's not a farmer :D
you are 100% right but to be fair if I had 400+ sols to waste I'd take the casual walk back as well. He would not want to overwork himself lol
Ragingdonut I would walk back just to waste time though
Matt Damon deserved to be stoned for that reason imo
Sean Bean didn't die?! I want my money that I didn't spend back.
Lol
+Frisbee you pirated it too. Feuh I thought I was the only one.
+John Alexander Torrent is your friend!
"This isn't what I I didn't pay for"
+Frisbee To be fair, his career certainly died.
*I still like the movie.*
same
It was a great movie
He did too
Sadly, I read the book and therefor hated the movie :(
Have not seen movie
The only thing I'd like to say is that some of the sins about the entertainment he partakes in (ie listening to Disco, watching Happy Days) is that these sins only exist because they didn't offer the weird throwaway line that the book gives us: in that everyone was only allowed to bring one form of personal entertainment with them or something (so like Happy Days was brought by one of his peers, and Disco was brought by the Captain) so he's only watching/listening because it's literally the only entertainment he had, but again, movie never gave us that throwaway line
Mars atmosphere pressure is 0.1% of that on earth. Can such a thin atmosphere even cause a storm with wind pressure strong enough to blow away anything larger than a dust particle?
R. Hoider I don't know how, but I did look it up and storms do happen on Mars. Although not to the speed they say caused the evacuation in the film - 160kph. They get to around 60kph I think, which is still fairly fast.
I would think they can get rather fast but with so much fewer molecules per m^3 the pressure such a storm generates should be very low (essentially 0.1% of the pressure generated by a storm of the same speed on earth).
That is true. The author of the book admits that this is the part of the book/movie that is furthest from the truth.
Nice to see that confirmed by the author himself ;)
I find several parts very unbelievable. For instance, Matt Damon seals the Station with tape and a big plastic bag. I hardly doubt that would be possible.
Also, growing enough food just from your own poop seems impossible in particular given that the sun light is much weaker on Mars and the only source of CO2 would be your Lungs.
Mars gets crazy dust storms that can last for weeks at a time. But you're right, the wind speeds are relatively weak and aren't able to blast big objects around like a hurricane. Otherwise all the little toys (the small rovers) we've sent to Mars would have been destroyed fairly quickly. According to NASA, you could barely get a kite to fly on Mars during a storm.
Can we sin the fact that they used lbs?
No
+Dr. Alan Grant The space programs all use metric, so yes.
why would they sin that?
Isaac Sanchez Like Jake said, the fact that the Space program uses metric and in general most science majors use metric units not imperial.
Of course. Metric is much easier to work with.
I think you should sin america for throwing out the poms, but not their measuring system, when your allies the french (remember them? You make lots of poor taste joke about them now) had metric.
4:09. He says not to say bring him home alive bc he doesn't want to make a promise to the people he can't for sure keep. The possibility of saving him is little and you don't want to get the citizen's hope's up.
Interesting take, i read it opposite. By saying "...alive" focuses on the nihilistic "omg, is he gonna die?!" train of thought. Whereas by not saying it keeps the public focused on the optimistic "we're gonna bring him home."
Thank You Dr Tyson. You are an incredible human and I’m so grateful for your thoughts and opinions on everything wished I could of been there the night you met Carl Sagan
The back wounds are from scurvy, which makes it much easier for a person to bruise. After living on almost entirely potatoes for many months, it makes sense that Mark would have a vitamin C deficiency.
I honestly wish Damon had scurvy in real life. Or something to prevent other movies with his fugly mug!
Anyway, interesting explanation, Breanne. But those looked more like old scars
+Winter Storm Breanne here wasn't coming up with a theory, it's fact, from the actual story.
Actually you can live on a potato diet. It contains every amino acid you need. Check out Dr. John McDougall and SpudFit.
You can live on it, yes, but youd still have a vitamin C deficiency, which is what causes scurvy.
no single food has every single nutrient you need. it's kinda hard to get enough protein in vegetables, and potatoes. most of them don't have more than 15g of protein, which would explain why he had gotten quite skinny.
6:10 "Evidence that The Martian movie is fantasy:
All who make important decisions are scientifically literate".
There could not have been any truer statement. Lol
And what about now, holy Sh*T!!!! We are all going to die.
GJack Kraken
It's been over a year and I still haven't figured out how the MPAA gave two "Fucks" to this PG-13 movie.
Wasn't one of them inaudible though, when he sat in the rover? Maybe that didn't really count
Ignite the Morph the extended version of the movie is unrated
I dont get it. There are movies out there with MORE THAN TWO f-words.
"Invictus" and "Behind enemy lines" just to name a couple
A 2+ hour movie with only 90 sins. Thats impressive.
4:42
He's a botanist AND a mechanical engineer. Maybe they didn't mention that in the movie though.
The shuttle doesn't need to be sealed. This is why Watney had his suit on. As explained in the movie, the lighter atmosphere negates the wind resistance as there is a greater drag coefficient but a much less dense atmosphere.
And that's where the story is inconsistent. Mars' atmosphere at the surface is only 6 mbar -- about 0.6% of Earth's surface pressure at sea level. This is equivalent of being at 5x the height of Mount Everest. This makes the inciting incident storm pretty much impossible; they're in what by terrestrial standards would be considered a vacuum. There's just not enough air to have that kind of storm. Mars has global dust storms, but the dust is finer than talc; its more like smoke really. And the top speeds are on the order 60 mph. You could stand up in one of them and hardly feel it.
This is admitted by the author as the one major scientific flaw in the book. But he wanted it in there because "The Martian" is, at heart, a man vs. nature story, and he wanted nature to get in the first blow.
Sin 21 is irrelevant. Happy days flash drive was among the personal possessions of the crew members that left without them since it was emergency escape. Same with Disco.
Can’t believe this missed the scene when Commender Lewis turned off the com so people on earth can’t hear their planning on blowing up to decelerate, while earlier it was stated clearly that there are 12 mins delay in com, people on earth couldn’t hear it in real time. And she announced their plan eventually.
They're not pandering to China. A book was written before the movie, and the author didn't care about China. The movie was just being similar to the book.
Books. Don't. Matter.
BAST7373 it being the only thing that makes sense doesn’t matter? In your mind any movie where murica doesn’t save the world is morally corrupt? Does it matter than nasa doesn’t exist anymore? Is the moral of the story being that human compassion and cooperation can overcome any problem and do it successfully not good enough for you?
if america didn't do it....did it actually happen?
Also there are only two other nations you would believe had a rocket powerful enough to send anything to Mars - China and Russia.
Yes...they...do...
where the hell do you think lord of hte rings came from thin air?
sean bean isn't dead at the end but he is teaching youth golf, so maybe he's dead inside.
Sean also didn't die in Troy
I find it funny how the guy from dumb and dumber becomes the head of NASA or whatever
I found it sad that the incredible actor from The Newsroom got that exact same role. ;)
You are right I'm surprised teddy/harry done did not hit Jim Carey with a walking stick or pull out a penis tube thingy
Proves that you can be whatever you want, just if you apply yourself to it. xD
lol now this is the best comment on this video
G Ks No, yours is.
NDGT at 6:14 says that the movie is fantasy because all who make important decisions are scientifically literate! As a former Boeing engineer I can relate! My description of the difficulty we engineers have in communicating seemingly simple and obvious concepts is "Like explaining to a Boeing supervisor that there are 254 Angstroms in a microinch".
Thankfully NASA doesn’t operate anything like it does in this movie .. or like Boeing does 🤣🤣🤣
4:38 He's not only the botanist on the team, he's also the engineer. This was stated in the book by Beck when he was chatting with his sister.
8:41 if you actually watched the movie you would know he wanted to grow his beard out and called himself a space pirate, so why is there a sin, its a perfect explanation. 😂
I don't think they watched the movie everything is explained if you listen not just pay attention to the fast scenes
@@cocopublicnews6766 dang chill lmao.
gotta love the news that are coming into this channel still expecting "valid" criticism.
I think it's also a representation of his mental health.
"The sins are over but there's 3 minutes of video left. END ALREADY!"
Love you
There's this great technique called "stopping the video early".
The movie actually addressed the "tent on the nose" thing you sinned. There was this whole big scene about how wind resistance isn't a problem there because of the thin atmosphere. The bigger sin was actually that a windstorm posed a mortal danger to the mission, given the same thin atmosphere. But you didn't sin that.
I made a HUGE deal about watching this movie and my husband refused so I watched it alone and hated it, but since I made such a big deal about it I had to pretend that I loved it. :(
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+Sprinkles of Shelly Women in a nutshell.
+Sprinkles of Shelly That's crazy, this movie was amazing for me
Luka Arambašić yeah basically
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A lot of these sins could be removed if you read the book (amazing read, by the way), but then again, it IS the movie's fault for not including some exposition on those topics.
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but then it would be a sin to have exposition.
You can't remove a movie sin by reading the book. A movie has to stand on its own without the aid of the source material to tell its story. You judge it on its own merits.
Movies suck as a general rule when it comes to reality. For example Apollo 13 has the astronauts getting all upset and arguing but the truth is they remained calm. No one would get to be an astronaut unless they have demonstrated coolness under stressful situations.
I am going to steal there saying. "The books don't fucking matter."
Honestly dont care, this movie was badass and even made me tear up when he finally hears another human voice. Amazing film
The scenes were not shot on Thailand but in Budapest Hungary, I can recognise many of the buildings...
You can tell Neil was smiling like hell when he repeated "Sciencing the shit out of everything."
You can just feel it in his voice.
I liked it better when it was called "Moon."
Same.
Moon was fucking great. Hope they sin that one someday.
+Shawn Lucas "Moon" is a masterpiece, but the concepts and themes explored are very different from "The Martian". Why even compare them?
+Jordan Vanhoozer
because space
+Shawn Lucas Diferent types of movies.. both sci-fi but Moon was more on ethics and personal level.. the Martian was more science and teamworking and ingenious to make stuff work together.. both are great but i find hard to directly compare them... the closest i saw to the Martian was Apollo XIII wich as you all know was real...
i think the slow motion was meant to simulate mars' low gravity.
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Bruh it's about 40% of earth's. You can do the math yourself and then come back here to admit how dumb you are. Yes i am overreacting
+MrBarciMan lmao no its not its like 1/3 as much as earth's
+William Jakespeare I'm pretty sure mars' gravity isn't that much different than ours.
Need a sin for Watney being able to lift that nose cap when they said it's 400 kg. That's 880 lbs on Earth and even 333 lbs on Mars, when he was that skinny and frail.
In real life the Mars atmosphere would not be dense enough to knock over the first rocket from Mars but on the flip side air resistance would not cause a problem for the launch either. Also in real life the science behind the Martian rocket launches would work but it would require the rocket to sit on the surface of Mars for years collecting gas and converting it to the fuel. Mark launched way earlier than the mission intended which is why the rocket for the next mission was already there but did not have enough thrust to carry its full weight. Andy Weir is a meticulous genius and got almost all the science and NASA culture dead on.
Right, and storms like that just don't happen on Mars anyway.
Indeed. For all his attempts to be accurate, Weir gets the absolute most obvious part wrong, and it invalidates the entire premise of the movie. In the movie, the air pressure is shown in the hud, but never directly mentioned. 2hrs in, it's alluded to "by the time you're going fast enough to matter, there won't be any air."
In fact, the atmosphere on Mars is so thin, it would take a 3000mph wind to have the energy of a gust on Earth. No known storm on Mars has ever had the energy to knock over the multi-TON MAV. If there were such a storm, there's NO WAY you'd be able to launch the MAV; as soon as it left the ground supports, it'd be tossed and flipped across the face of the planet like a paper plate at a picnic. (the RCS thrusters could barely right the ship; they would not cope with a high wind during launch.) Also, it would take a massive wind to pick up a grain of sand, so there would be none of the obviously large bits pelting their visors and windows. The difference in pressure inside the HAB is _enormous._ (Just under 13psi vs. just over 0.1psi) The plastic tarp, tape, and tow straps he used to close off the missing airlock would have somewhere over 85,000 pounds on it. Thus the plastic, tape, AND straps would NOT hold. And if it did, the wind wouldn't so much as make it ripple. (in fact, the rover at full speed wouldn't dent it -- tear the plastic, for sure.) It would never flap in the breeze as it does in the movie.
Also, when you want to slow down the ship on your pass around Mars, you should turn off the main engine! The "blow the nose off to vent the air" braking maneuver is complete hollywood BS. The mass of the ship is several millions times that of the atmosphere inside it (which is part of that mass), so the air would have to accelerated to impossible speeds to get the throw-them-into-their-harness force shown.
His IronMan Thrust Maneuver(tm) would also not work AT ALL. The instant his suit was breached it would put him into a 3-dimensional spin that would be totally uncorrectable. (once outside the cabin where there's nothing to grab to stop.) It would be impossible to control the thrust angle vs. center of mass to push you in the direction you want to go and not put you in a spin. (Ask Adam Savage how hard that is to do in Earth's gravity and atmosphere, with safety lines.) It's remotely possible to do what Wall-E did with a fire extinguisher.
@@jfbeamAndy Weir had little to do with the movie's production, so it makes no sense to judge him based on it.
@@jfbeam First, the storm was far more subdued in the book, and second, even before the movie and during the publication of the book, he maks it clear he wanted a man vs nature scene the get the movie going, and to emphasize the danger of mars, it was that or a mars quake.
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It is already made
+Elias Schmidt What do you mean?
+Elias Schmidt Umm, no, someone else might have done it.
Can we take a moment to point out that due to its thin atmosphere, there is no way for a storm of such magnitude as to rip apart a radio antenna and impale an astronaut
Also I agree with Dr. Tyson in that I'm fairly certain that even with proof he was alive, congress would not have let them save Matt Damon
Also, and I know you don't care, by 1. China did the same thing in the book and 2. That they had planned the Elrond bit before realizing Sean bean was in lord of the rings
That's a detail in the book. The funding they were using they already had, they were just making modifications to the next Ares mission they were already working on. The only major shift came after the Hab breached and it became a rush to get supplies to Watney in time.
And the drag of the space craft would be irrelevant at such a high altitde
MooshroomGaming The fact your name is MooshroomGaming and you have a pfp of a fucking Mushroom Cow from Minecraft in 2017 I know you only got that from Film Theory
We watched this in science class once, great time.
At over 2 hours long, the Martian comes in with only 90 sins.
That's got to be a record of some sort.
+Dominic Lira it's a self-conscious work where one of the main attractions is the scientific accuracy and realism; it's not really surprising.
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I for one definitely enjoyed this movie. It's a shame it didn't get the official recognition it deserved.
I really enjoyed this movie. I felt like it actually should have been longer. The only thing I didn’t like was how they got the pacing almost perfect until the last 20 minutes, then it felt rushed.
Actually, the astronauts repeating information that you point out during the beginning of the movie will very likely be standard procedure, especially for long missions like what they were showing. Not only does it help keep things fresh in their minds, but it also is an excellent barometer of how a person is doing, oxygen wise. The speech centers of the brain start to fuzz out before even electronic monitors can catch some dangerous situations.
+PelenTan You sound like you know what you're talking about! here,have a like!
Sean Bean a) not dying, and b) explaining the secret project name ... Priceless!