its been a PrimaryArms 1-6 sfp. 430 yards is the farthest shot ive taken at a "DMR" themed match 😁 ive gotten a 1-6 Trijicon Credo since then but i have only shot out to 200 yards with it so far.
really loving the identification of target and movements in these videos. at matches you already know where targets are, what they look like and they also Dont Move so i don't notice the drawbacks that much. these videos really highlight the drawbacks of lower quality glass in practical use 🙌
Clarity and resolution is also paramount to having an LPVO that is usable at 1x. You can barely run cheaper glass with both eyes open without some serious eye strain. It’s night and day is often why I suspect some people don’t have good experiences with LPVOs. You really get what you pay for.
@@compulsivegunbuyer it really is. I used to cope and say just as good but after saving for just an upgrade to a viper that's still not even technically good tier it's insane the amount of difference there is. Having a reticle with a bdc that ranges out to 500+ is cool but if your image at 150 is blurry then it's meaningless and just a marketing gimmick.
Hi Dimitri, thanks for jumping into the comments. I generally see diopter as a "set it and forget it" kind of thing. It certainly should not need to be focused to different distances like a parallax knob. Perhaps at the extreme ends of the magnification range (which, admittedly 600 yards at 6x would fall into this category) you could benefit from adjusting the diopter; but I did not make any adjustments for the vcog, so I think the comparison holds up. The diopter had been set to my (corrected) eye, same as all the other scopes I used. It is possible it got bumped out of focus, but looking at it after the fact, it seems properly set. Camera has been a constant as well. Possibly I got a bad one?
Hello, I just bought a used Trijicon 1-6X VCOG & I really like it. I was considering an PA PLX Compact 1-8 X24 LPVO.. I'm still contemplating the purchase but I really like my VCOG. Keep up the good work! Doug out
I'm very curious about the new 1-6x with acss nova reticle using fiber optics to brighten the center. I wish they'd have that tech in a glx optic because I have heard that glx really is rarely red dot bright on a warm summer day.
I'll see what I can do. I've been pretty impressed with it all around, but I would like to get a video comparing it to the razor 1-6. I might have some footage of this already actually.
@@compulsivegunbuyer Oh great. That's exactly it. I've been wondering if the old VCOG with its narrow field of view (at least on paper) makes it difficult to use or is it a non issue?
Would you say also that the more you pay, the better eye relief youll get? I want to try a lpvo but as a dynamic shooter, i keep hearing that eye relief is weird
No, there is not a direct relation between price and eye relief. How eye relief is balanced with the rest of the feature set will ultimately be a design decision. With LPVOs it's all about balancing features, even when money is no object.
I wish that LPVO manufactures would make an AUX power cable/connector and have a rechargeable battery that can snap onto 1913 rail or make a mount that you could attached the battery to (between the scope and mount) and get battery life in the 100's if not low 1000's hours. (a quick detached recharge cable would be cool so it could charge in a safe or patrol car)
That is kind why I asked the question. One I know which is very easy to get on picture in CQC scenario. LVPOs are new and I am looking to drop $2k on one if I can train to use it in CQC and use it to 600+ yards then that is worth it if not then $2k on that scope is wasted.
@Hades16899 it's a training thing, but most people will tell you that lpvos are not as fast as red dots. But a more precise comparison will depend on the lpvo.
I'm waiting to see the new PA Odyssey stuff. It's supposed to have better glass. I have the gen 2 Razor. A gen 2 viper pst. And two Credo hx 1-6's. They all have great glass. I also have the Glx 1-6. It's good, just not as good as the others. I like the reticle though. So much so I'll probably get two of the PLx Compact 1-8's.
For budget 1-6x optics, I prefer SFP (I own several PA LPVOs and enjoy them for the $$$) as the reticle works better up close with better illumination. Glass tends to be better too. You have to be at max mag to use the BDC but it’s totally doable. Budget $300-$400 FFP (like the PA raptor) scopes just leave A LOT to be desired.
@@compulsivegunbuyer primary Arms SLX 1-8x SFP with ACSS reticle. Punches way above its weight. I got a vortex razor gen2 e 1-6x and no doubt it’s a top tier scope… but that PA really works good for 1/3 the cost (I purchased it on sale for $290)
Glass clarity was obvious, but it's a bit of a redundant test when we're not watching the same interaction. It's clear he was waiving his hand on the right, no where in the left recording did i see the same movement, and it was clear we were watching two different recordings. But the glass was clearer. Also the price difference is astounding, so, weigh your worth as well. Nice try, bad test.
If you’re going to compare two scopes you have to do it at the same time with the same conditions, lighting, focus, etc. i can’t take this video serious at all.
Thanks for watching! What's your favorite 1-6x scope and how far have you shot it?
Vortex viper 1-6. With the trees by me I only can only get maybe out to 250 at best
its been a PrimaryArms 1-6 sfp. 430 yards is the farthest shot ive taken at a "DMR" themed match 😁 ive gotten a 1-6 Trijicon Credo since then but i have only shot out to 200 yards with it so far.
really loving the identification of target and movements in these videos. at matches you already know where targets are, what they look like and they also Dont Move so i don't notice the drawbacks that much. these videos really highlight the drawbacks of lower quality glass in practical use 🙌
These optics videos are probably the best on the internet
Clarity and resolution is also paramount to having an LPVO that is usable at 1x.
You can barely run cheaper glass with both eyes open without some serious eye strain.
It’s night and day is often why I suspect some people don’t have good experiences with LPVOs. You really get what you pay for.
Pretty big difference. Thanks man… I wasn’t aware it was this big
You bet
Glass clarity and resolution are potentially some of the most underrated scope stats
And hard to appreciate without a side-by-side view.
@@compulsivegunbuyer it really is. I used to cope and say just as good but after saving for just an upgrade to a viper that's still not even technically good tier it's insane the amount of difference there is. Having a reticle with a bdc that ranges out to 500+ is cool but if your image at 150 is blurry then it's meaningless and just a marketing gimmick.
@@ozarkman291 totally agree
Please take off the caps and adjust the diopter ring in order to focus it for that range, I think it will clear up for you. -Dimitri
Hi Dimitri, thanks for jumping into the comments. I generally see diopter as a "set it and forget it" kind of thing. It certainly should not need to be focused to different distances like a parallax knob. Perhaps at the extreme ends of the magnification range (which, admittedly 600 yards at 6x would fall into this category) you could benefit from adjusting the diopter; but I did not make any adjustments for the vcog, so I think the comparison holds up.
The diopter had been set to my (corrected) eye, same as all the other scopes I used. It is possible it got bumped out of focus, but looking at it after the fact, it seems properly set.
Camera has been a constant as well. Possibly I got a bad one?
Hello, I just bought a used Trijicon 1-6X VCOG & I really like it. I was considering an PA PLX Compact 1-8 X24 LPVO.. I'm still contemplating the purchase but I really like my VCOG. Keep up the good work! Doug out
Nice! Hope it works out well for you. Thanks for the comment!
I love the Chevron!!! It’s the easiest reticle to acquire
I'm very curious about the new 1-6x with acss nova reticle using fiber optics to brighten the center. I wish they'd have that tech in a glx optic because I have heard that glx really is rarely red dot bright on a warm summer day.
For 3-4ish I'm sure it would be great and that's good for practically use
Great video. I'd love to hear you thoughts on the 1-6 VCOG compared to some other 1-6's in its class
I'll see what I can do. I've been pretty impressed with it all around, but I would like to get a video comparing it to the razor 1-6. I might have some footage of this already actually.
@@compulsivegunbuyer Oh great. That's exactly it. I've been wondering if the old VCOG with its narrow field of view (at least on paper) makes it difficult to use or is it a non issue?
Would you say also that the more you pay, the better eye relief youll get? I want to try a lpvo but as a dynamic shooter, i keep hearing that eye relief is weird
No, there is not a direct relation between price and eye relief. How eye relief is balanced with the rest of the feature set will ultimately be a design decision. With LPVOs it's all about balancing features, even when money is no object.
Thanks
I wish that LPVO manufactures would make an AUX power cable/connector and have a rechargeable battery that can snap onto 1913 rail or make a mount that you could attached the battery to (between the scope and mount) and get battery life in the 100's if not low 1000's hours. (a quick detached recharge cable would be cool so it could charge in a safe or patrol car)
Can someone tell me how the LPVO for eye box/ eye relief is compared to a red dot
The eye relief/eye box concept doesn't really apply to red dots, only to magnified optics.
That is kind why I asked the question. One I know which is very easy to get on picture in CQC scenario. LVPOs are new and I am looking to drop $2k on one if I can train to use it in CQC and use it to 600+ yards then that is worth it if not then $2k on that scope is wasted.
@Hades16899 it's a training thing, but most people will tell you that lpvos are not as fast as red dots. But a more precise comparison will depend on the lpvo.
Did u set the diopter ring on the PA? doesn’t look like it
Should have been adjusted to my eye same as the vcog (assuming it wasn't bumped out of place).
I'm waiting to see the new PA Odyssey stuff. It's supposed to have better glass. I have the gen 2 Razor. A gen 2 viper pst. And two Credo hx 1-6's. They all have great glass. I also have the Glx 1-6. It's good, just not as good as the others. I like the reticle though. So much so I'll probably get two of the PLx Compact 1-8's.
Interesting. I have yet to look through any plx glass.
@@compulsivegunbuyer I'm impressed with a guy I know. His 1-8 compact. It's nice!
For budget 1-6x optics, I prefer SFP (I own several PA LPVOs and enjoy them for the $$$) as the reticle works better up close with better illumination. Glass tends to be better too. You have to be at max mag to use the BDC but it’s totally doable. Budget $300-$400 FFP (like the PA raptor) scopes just leave A LOT to be desired.
What's your favorite budget SFP?
@@compulsivegunbuyer primary Arms SLX 1-8x SFP with ACSS reticle. Punches way above its weight. I got a vortex razor gen2 e 1-6x and no doubt it’s a top tier scope… but that PA really works good for 1/3 the cost (I purchased it on sale for $290)
@@joquin4618 Nice! It would be interesting to see a similar comparison with that.
Glass clarity was obvious, but it's a bit of a redundant test when we're not watching the same interaction. It's clear he was waiving his hand on the right, no where in the left recording did i see the same movement, and it was clear we were watching two different recordings.
But the glass was clearer. Also the price difference is astounding, so, weigh your worth as well.
Nice try, bad test.
If you’re going to compare two scopes you have to do it at the same time with the same conditions, lighting, focus, etc. i can’t take this video serious at all.
And what have I done? Same day, lighting, camera, and both scopes focused to my eye. Hardly scientific, but I think it shows something valuable.