Do You Need E-Bike Specific Components On Your E-MTB?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Are E-Bike specific products really a necessary upgrade or specification on an electric mountain bike? We decided to find out with the help of Fox Suspension ⚡️
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Do you run any E-specific components on your E-MTB?
I don’t use an ebike, but i would if it was full sus
I’ve been riding Elevate FS eMTB a year+ and believe in ebike specific components. Rider and machine weight & torque keeps you out of the shop less often and when in, makes them easier to maintain. The right tool for the job.
I just bought a Zeb fork. Non e bike. And it has written on the side of it by the air recommendation e bikes add 10 more psi.
The 2.8 Eddie Currants are our favourite Ebike specific tires , that we’ve experienced so far. The side walls seem to mange the weight , and the tread pattern is fantastic.
Good sound advice thanks
Great vid as always. A while back Steve mentioned something about how tyres can affect the range and how much power the battery draws. I commute on my stock 27.5x2.6 tyres and it really slows down once I hit the limiter. How much difference would a smoother commuting tyre make to the range and also how hard it is to pedal once the motor cuts out? A video idea maybe?
I agree 100% with Steve here, as I experienced myself the heavier wear on the cassette in less than one year of ownership, actually I believe that the drivetrains for e-bikes needs to be improved further.
most of these can be replaced with gravity oriented products (downhill and enduro forks, tires, brakes) But I 100% agree in that you and your bike will perform better with ebike specific components, after all, ebikes are different and should have slightly different components. I have survived with downhill tires and components but I am starting to realise I need ebike specific ones if I want my components to last a long time. Great video!
On what way will your ebike perform better with ebike specific components? What does it mean at all? Will 'ebike specific' SRAM Guide RE brakes perform better than 'non-ebike specific' Shimano Zee or Saints? My Commencal Meta came with Guide RE and they were absolute garbage compared to my two-year-old Saints. I'm running the cheapest SRAM PC1110 chains and I can get 1500km out of them for 11€. Will a 3-4x more expensive 'ebike specific' chain last 3-4 times longer?
Ok Steve, the only thing to consider is Where are your ( E-bike specific?🤔) Welly's?
Steve, do you have ebike specific Welly's?
Steve is like Gandalf with his trail stick.......😁😊 Less talky more ridey
Pretty good advice,drivechain needs beefing up a bit tho I reckon.
I think that they had that right. Not really sure about saddles unless you wanted that rear lip. Although I think I like being able to slip off the back of mine smoothly. The lip would hinder it.
I currently have a 2x11 drive train on my mountain bike.No E!... yet. I am thinking about getting an Ebike but I have some question of whether it will be worth it for me, and here's why. I tow my 12 foot 23 kilo/50 lbs Town and Country Dirigo kayak behind my Mountain Bike (with gear - up to 65 lbs/29 kilos. I am able to do long hill climbs with it and go long distances also. I can do it with my granny gears barely but that is with 2x11. Are there any ebikes that can be converted or modified to a 2x10/11/12 to still allow my to ride up hills on distance trails with this extra weight. Will a emtb allow my to pull this weight in super ? Or do I stick to my regular mountain bike and just convert it to a 2x11? It would be a lot of money to find out that it just won't be able to do it. Will a 1x11 with the extra power from the EMTB do it for me?
I think the current technology of chains and derailleurs is the weak link and will be replaced with either internally geared hubs or internal gears in the mid mount motors, and an unbreakable belt drive... so much less maintenance, and should be cheaper in the manufacturing and on-going maintenance. The torque of the motors will increase, and you don't need 12 gears like on an analogue bike... 6 or 8 will be more than enough, perhaps an overdrive gear for the commutes (and a derestricted mode) to save battery power and reduce rider cadence.
I also would love to see dual front disk brakes, it will be a thing in a few years, just like higher powered motorcycles have dual disc's on the front, and single disc on back. All that needs is the double sided hubs, and the caliper mounting lugs on both fork legs...
Heavier duty spokes and hubs, and bigger forks are the most obvious things I would want to upgrade as a tall and heavy rider... I like the 2020 Kenevo (even though I can't afford one) but still think the Boxxer dual crown fork stanchions are a bit flimsy / skinny... would rather have 40mm Fox or Ohlins units, or develop a heftier Boxxer model...
On a future industry-wide development front, if I was in a design position in a bike manufacturer, I would be developing a modular wiring / plug system to be able to plug in accessories such as lights, charge points for computers, phones, cameras, GPS tracking etc without having to have loose wiring and jury-rigging up bodgey homemade stuff... standards and integration should be developed, instead of different versions from different manufacturers - the consumers win on choice and costs, and bike builders win on cost and market acceptance...
That all sounds like really durable stuff, but the bike could go to 70lbs with everything beefed up more and more.
I agree on not needing 12 speeds, mt biking you gotta shift before the climb if your doing it right, 12 gears is a lot of gears to row thru all the time. With a motor its not needed.
My E bike that’s coming from Commencal has Rockshox Lyrik
Do you feel that fork will hold up
Hi Steve could I ask your advice please on my fox 38s I run on my levo. I'm 90kg with kit I'm a bit confused what settings to run as a starting point. I've been riding them for a few months now and just not sure I'm getting the best from them. Many thanks stay safe Callum currently 130 psi. 4 from closed hsc 5 from Closed lsc . hsr 4 from closed lsr 5 from Closed .
Only marketing, there are also no different products for 110kg biker or 70kg biker.
And difference between e-bike and regular bike is probably less than 10 kg
Haha... absolutely. The total weight is 7-8kg heavier but marketing people want you to believe that you need ebike specific components.
Spot on
the fox forks have thicker internal walls of the tubes, they will be stiffer. my fox 36 ebike fork uses fox 34 spacers, you can't use a 36 spacer in there just won't fit in the tiny hole.
@@eichkay This is correct. there are EU regulations regarding total system weights, which is why FOX makes e-MTB specific forks. The damper tune is also different to accomodate for some of the subtle but important ways we ride e-bikes differently than we do "regular" bikes. this is not marketing, it is education. This video helps riders decided if they might want or need an e-bike fork or if a "regular" fork will be okay for them.
They arent E-bike specific, but Im currently using the Catalyst flat pedal on my Canyon Spectral ON, its a big pedal that supports much more of the foot.
And yet its not as wide as the typical flat pedal, so less rock strikes from some angles.
I tried it yesterday and after a while I ended up really liking it...............I need to be standing up more in all the rocks around here and this pedal suits that style really well.
hm i dont see the weight of the bike when choosing a fork. what are 8kg more with the ebike when rider weight may be between 50 and 150kg.....
I'm running the same seat and the EMTB 38 Factory Fork trying to decide between Fox X2 or Fox Float X. Would love to run a Cane Creek Kitsuma but doens't come in my size. I run Onyx hubs and RaceFace ARC35 Rims. GX cassette with XO Shifter and Derailleur. Never ever had a chain snap or any issues over 1000miles on that drivetrain and wheels running a 1250watt 130nm motor. Bike was 54lbs now weighs 58 with added heavier suspension.
E13 cassette that you can change the higher gears that wear out more?
I disagree with a lot of this. I think it's BS. I weigh 160 lb and I don't put out much power (
with all the talk about the xtra weight of ebikes etc why isn't there more talk about rider and pack weight surely its the gross weight that actually matters, arent alot of downhill bikes as heavy as ebikes?
Hey, yes some downhill bikes are as heavy as some E-Bikes but the E-Bike will always weigh more than it's traditional MTB equivalent. A Downhill bike weighs as much as it does because it needs to be strong enough to cope with aggressive downhill riding.
its like all things in life, some make sense and some not so much ;)
This is more like an advert for Fox forks.
This channel exists to attract industry access and advertising. Hence all the sponsored videos
In this video we are talking about a range of E-Bike specific components. We feature the Fox forks and declare this is paid promotion in the thumbnail, the start of the video and the video description. We're never told what to say and always have control over what goes into a video as well as the final result. Paid promo isn't a bad thing. It allows us to bring you the info on new products and means we can continue to produce a range of content for you every day, right here on TH-cam, for free!
@@embn Its all OK to say its a paid promotion, but you should have a more balanced presentation with other manufactures input, such as brakes, gear suppliers as well, it was too biased towards FOX products.
It’s free content on the internet... I’ve learnt a lot over the years and looking to purchase my first E-Bike this year which has Fox suspension (currently I’m with Rockshox on my trail bike). I’ve managed to find the right answers through EMBN & GMBN quite easily so totally disagree with the paid promotion negative feedback. Thanks. Appreciate all you do (especially during the pandemic)
I like the idea of upgrading the front fork on my MTB to an eMTB reinforced fork. I've tanked a few front forks in my day and it would be at least a good mental thing to ahve that added durability if nothing else.
Single Gear Shifting - LOL - back in the day there were no shifters that skipped through gears - I still forget all the time that my MTB can downshift through multiple gear in one press - kind of miss the odl school / e-bike single shifting.
Forks consider...but what about rear shocks? Can it be used on a regular bike?
Chain and cassette make sense for extra torque maybe but some riders can put out a lot of power without assist anyway ....
The rest is gonna be ok with normal parts I think but if you must have the very best of everything buy the ebike parts when you need to replace the normal parts maybe.
Hi there! interesting video. It ties in with a question that I have had buzzing in my head for a while. How much weight can be put upon an e-mtb and is there a standard between manufacturers to help the consumers compare? I ask because my Haibike hardtail has a max allowed weight of 120 kg in it´s specification. The retailer told me that it means that I could bring my backpack, and mount a front and rear rack for bags if I want to go camping and trekking with it. Then, another retailer told me that was false. He said that the stated weight is with the bike included! That sounds ridiculous, if the bike itself clocks in at about 23 kilos, the rider with backpack must not weigh above 97 kg in order to not void the warranty. With the new Flyon bikes coming in at about 27-29 Kilos, I wonder what is the correct weight the bikes can handle. The focus Jam 2 had a stated tolerance of 99 kilos, surely that can not be including the bike!?!? Maybe something for your channel to investigate? Surely, with more sturdy e-mtb components, the bikes should be able to carry more load?
That is for the combined weight... the tyres still have to carry the bike weight and rider weight, the frame is still subject to the forces of the combined weights... as a tall guy, I am a bit of an outlier on the weight thing and a lot of bike manufacturers think that people don't weigh more than 70 or 80 kilos... so me at 100 or so, an ebike at 25, and bike packing gear at 10 or 15 minimum means 140 kg combined... heavy components, metal frames etc are my safe go-to points...
EU regulations are for system weight, which means the rider + the bike + anything else the riders is wearing or is mounted to the bike. This is the reason for e-MTB specific forks, to increase the overall system weight capabilities.
I'll call it marketing BS...no 'ebike specific' components on my Commencal Meta Power - apart from the motor and battery - and after two seasons and 5000km everything is perfect. I'm even running the cheapest 11€ SRAM chains and get out 1500km from one. Tires are Maxxis EXO (front)/Double Down (rear) or Schwalbe Apex (front) /SG (rear). I know marketing people would like you to buy 'ebike specific' everything but I found it absolutely pointless. The total weight is ~7-8 kg heavier than running a regular bike and no different components for the 70kg and the 90kg riders. So yes, it's BS.
Do you run a standard fork? And what fork is it?
I'm thinking of using my backup standards fork on my ebike when the current emtb fork is off being serviced, but not sure how safe that would be as my ebike is close to 60 lbs.
What about wheelset?
❤️Great mtb video! When will you be uploading your next video?
Just started my channel as well 😃
Hey Lulu, best of luck with the new channel. We upload every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday! 😀
I don't understand what's SPECIAL here for EMTB saddle .... all of these options should be available to normal bikes as well.
I do steep climbs on my normal bike, and in fact I sit MORE ON A NORMAL BIKE (coz it takes way more time to finish climbs ! and you don't do standing climbs on 150-160mm bikes).
Is it good saddle at the end? or full of gimmicks?
why you don't use the same features for normal bike ?
or is it a saddle for MAMILs ?
interesting stuff! I create Moutain bike videos on my channel too
Coming up to 3 months on my 19 model Levo having had too many years on road mtb TT (never managed a unicycle) the weak point as David King points out above is the transmission wife blew her first chain @400km and mine was worn by 700km
Torque is the killer
Belts - I’ve had belts on American motorcycles - they work until they don’t - I’ve both snapped and lost teeth from them in the past - I’m not convinced they are capable of shedding some of the mud and crud unless you can shield the drivetrain from it which leads to shaft
Shaft - aside from the ceramic speed effort you need to look way back in history or to china for universal joint systems - heavy!! But they could be slimmed up (or down) basically scale down a motorcycle such as BMW’s with integrated bevel box/disc and its single swing arm
Gear box - as soon as you are on e-assist the drag of a gear box vanishes - my wife and i both have 10 year old Nicolai g-box’s’ a good idea but heavy and a bit draggy even with a run in rollhoff gear set
Their new e-box version looks the part but I’m not a fan of the Bosch motors and although my heart likes the belt my head says no unless I could test one on my home bike ranges
Forks shocks frames - i come from a time of 25kg steel frame yuck monster downhillers when mullet was a haircut but you could ride a 26/24 wheel bike with 3” tyres NOKIAN!! And air suspension was a dream- in some ways its coming full circle - meet the new boss same as the old boss although with new geometry and materials and graphics/marketing budget - downhill tech for me is pretty much the same as ebike for the weight capacity at speeds and i am keeping eyes and ears open for combined transmission/motor options before i opt for my next emtb - that said i love my Levo - its’s a nice day here in the Pennines - we’re off for a ride
David Pinnington Maybe less Turbo mode and more switching through gears and riding with higher cadence would help. I don’t have premature wear on the cheapest non-ebike specific chains I can make 1500km easily with them. I ride mostly in Eco and Trail mode and my ‘pedaling style’ is the same as with my non-ebike.
Tamas Varga - good point and something I am already doing but my wife continues to NOT follow advice - nextchain break soon I think - However my thoughts on derailers chains etc not being up to the power and Torque of mtb’s still stands - take a look at a bmx or track bike chain - more metal \oo/
how often are you lubing the chain ? I've got 930kms on my emtb's chain so far. The chain is still well within spec when measured. I lube my chain every 30kms of riding generally.
eichkay - gets a lube pretty much every ride - using kmc e11 so far so good - my gear changing technique I’d better than wife plus i run a higher cadence when climbing - she can’t as she has a arthritic hip
What really kills the chain, and cassette, is shifting under load. That snapping and popping the chain makes when shifting is destroying it. Gotta shift before the climbs and not under hard load.
Really. mt bikes have always been that way. Get it spinning in a low gear before a steeper climb.
More durable cassette and chain 💯 heavy duty 💯
Wow what a load of marketing spin apart from the gears of course. Does this mean a rider whom owns an acoustic bike and is 5-8 plus kgs heavier than the average acoustic bike owner, needs ebike specific forks and wheels to compensate his extra average riders weight, or does he has to go on a diet!? I can only justify the drive train being beefier. BTW your vids are excellent.
Errrrrmmmm! My 2016 Scott E-Spark 710 with the Bosch CX Motor came with the Fox 32 as standard. Here's the exact bike and specs www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/Scott-E-Spark-710-2016
Bigger suspension for beaver riders that are fit!
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Did we get a count on how many times he bragged about Mont Blanc?
Just say it antique. Not acoustic!
Complete fad parts you can buy for a normal bike should work on an ebike. It's just pure marketing to get the most out of people I bet an "ebike specific" part has a 10% mark up or more yet is no different.
Normal parts you can buy for a normal bike do work on an eBike. Some of the E-bike specific parts are built to take more abuse. These Fox eBike forks are stronger as they have added material to strengthen critical areas.
I still fail to see how these parts would be any better an ebike isn't that much heavier so the extra strength isn't really needed at all if you am worried about weight and what not then loose a few pounds and you'll save your self x amount in the process
The reason why e-bike's have "e-bike specific" parts is becasue they are motor-cycles !! Just because the motor is powered by electricity instead of gasoline does not make these things bicycles !! Lipstick on a pig is still a pig.
ebike saddle what a load of bollox
No gloves, no knee pads... why? :)) totally unprofessional
There are e-bike specific knee pads now, so gotta get those... www.alpinestars.com/products/cycling/protection/e-ride-knee-protector