“The Nick Saban Backlash Is Outrageous” Tom Luginbill
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Betting has ruined College Sports....point blank.
Coaching breaking their contracts and recruiting kids when they know they’re leaving didn’t ruin college sports?
100%. Betting has ruined all major sports.
I agree. The only reason NFL teams have to release rosters and injured players is for the betting.
haurbagh gets it..thats why he won in collage and in NFL
Also, cheated in the process.
Make a buyout clause for players like coaches have...so if a player stays 2 yrs and transfers for a better NIL deal...then make the player payback 2 yrs of the scholarship...if they graduate and still have eligibility left then they owe nothing if they want to transfer
Why would they have to pay back money for 2 years when they worked for those 2 years?
@@leroninge1758 they player doesn't necessarily have to pay it back...the booster at the school can pay it back for him...if he/she chooses to do so...why do coaches have to pay a buyout clause if they leave a school before the contract is up...if players are "working" while on scholarship...then make the scholarship a.contract
That fact of the matter is these coaches didn't want the players to get anything at 1st. Jim Harbaugh was the only advocate for them. Once, the coaches couldn't stop NIL that's when they all jumped on board. So don't make it seem like they were, when they weren't Saban included
Lies the NCAA told Saban the players could earn money off their Name Image and likeness. They didn’t say now teams who can recruit get to just buy the player other teams successfully recruited. Saban built his program around developing players to be able to create value for themselves which coincideds with what NIL was supposed be. Saban said 3 years ago that this is what it would become. Pay for play. No education, no personal development.
@@darnellrtr252 Saban built his program by cheating. You thought Jimbo Fisher was just talking cus he had lips. The coaches know 7-6 year 1 & 14-0 & a national championship in year 2. IMPOSSIBLE without breaking the rules
@@davidsimmons3391 I’m prior military my guy I was on an interrogation team. Jimbos comments for the untrained eyes sounded like he knew what he was talking about right? For the trained eyes like me I saw and admission of guilt because saban called him out. See Saban said jimbo bought every player because that’s what actually happened. Jimbo brought forth allegations with no facts because it wasn’t true. If what jimbo was hinting at was true he would’ve said so because they asked him to state facts off the record and he declined. I went to camp twice at LSU back when jimbo and saban was there I didn’t see any fraudulent activity. But I did at other places. Texas tech camp a guy offered Vince young a boat load of money. Not at lsu and Vince young was at that camp too.
@@darnellrtr252 Jimbo did know what he was talking about. Your prior military right? 1st off thank you for your service. However, I coached college football so when I say the coaches in college football know they know. What he did was over recruited after his 1st season kept all the best players and grey shirted all the players from his 7-6 team & shipped them off to other schools. They didn't have to sat out because of the grey shirt which made them eligible immediately. So he was using the transfer portal before the transfer portal & we all know it.
@@davidsimmons3391 well look bro every coach has their ways of bending the rules. Like I said I got recruited, I went about 11 visits to different schools. I seen minor things. Like I visited West Virginia back when they had pat white and Steve slayton. Both guys drive Toyota sequoias. They had a duplex and never went to class. So players definitely got different perks and each college. At bama there’s a ton of eyes and enemies out there trying to find dirt or create dirt. Saban had to run a clean program because of that. Yeah the players got perks within the minor infraction guidelines of course. Like the cars athletes drive the NCAA cant report it if it’s leased there’s little loopholes like that. Or players working summer jobs like at the university of Kentucky the football players worked at the golf courses and auto companies. Getting 500 a week no matter if they came to work or not. So yeah it’s out there.
If you want to blame somebody for this mess blame the NCAA 😂
Well, the NCAA does not. They get paid regardless!!! They get billions, so they couldn’t care less about NIL, it does not matter to them!
@@spc1689 that's why they should have had NIL from the beginning of N.I.L was already established with rules and regulations we would have never been in the mess with coaches retiring and freshman transferring upper classmen I understand transferring but Freshman 🤦🏾♂️ that barely know the campus
Saban is just talking about the fact that EDUCATION was once the primary catalyst for college athletics. Now its all about how much are you gonna pay me, when they have never played a down in college football. In the majority of cases the kid is never gonna play in college yet the NIL is on the hook for the money promised that kid. Then they are demanding money without any contractual commitment whatsoever. No where in the world does that ever happen. Every professional athlete signs a contract and has to fulfill that contract.
And you think Saban cared bout their education 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jamie-gy6bd He 100% did and does, you’re exactly the ignorant fool that they are talking about in the video. Take the Saban hater glasses off.
@@jamie-gy6bd He did as evidenced by the graduation rates of his players which were always in the top 4 of the SEC and usually No. 2 right behind Vandy.
Where in the world does a so called first world country steal over 60 years of labor? Not only should current athletes get paid. Past athletes should receive financial restitution.
@@AldiAldiFPen Haha! NEVER going to happen. If we go in that direction universities should just shut their sport's programs down and then no one will have those opportunities. You place ZERO value on an education while the rest of us had to pay for our education and the athletes received it FREE. If they didn't take advantage of it that is on them.
I think if you are going to pay the players they need to pay for their education they need to pay their college there's a lot of people out there starving to death trying to go to college and these clowns are talking about how they need to be Paid
The players have nothing to do with anyone starving. If it wasn't for the players the colleges wouldn't have made millions of dollars
I wish i could afforded college.. Do you know the students whos parents saved up money 6 digits worth & their kids working part time. The fan base will be very critical and hostile now and thats nasty towards players.
I believe this NIL / Pay for Play, which is what it actually is, will eventually take care of itself, when those individuals, who are apart of these collectives, take a look at the 1st sample size over the course of the next 2 to 3 years and see if the millions they invested in the athletes gave them the return on their investment they were expecting. No one will keep on spending good money after bad.
Structure is understandable, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. If they want to put a cap on NIL then put a cap on these coaches salaries. If they want players to have to sign a contract that prevents them to leave a university then the coaches have to sign the same thing too. Also they push this narrative of how a degree is worth so much, which is a lie. All degrees aren't created equal and plus there are so many people in America with degrees who aren't earning much and are in student loan debt. Saban has always did what was best for him and didn't care how if effected his former players at Michigan St and LSU. Well it's the players turn now. Free enterprise!
Coaches do have rules for leaving, its called a buyout. Players, who are not under a contract need that. They also should have the same thing. I also think you should reconsider the value of the education. While not all are created equal, we all have to agree that it is a value given to a player. How they come up with totals is beyond me. I imagine its got a lot more in it than just the cost of education for an athlete. This is the problem with saying they never got paid, technically what they did was transactional. That being said nobody should ever be told you cant make money off their likeness. I think the rule that needs to change to fix this is the transfer rule. Make it sit out a year like it was and that should slow things down a bit. I also imagine tampering is running rampant right now. Thats another problem.
I Love how they say “All of these coaches don’t like this”, but you notice only ONE COACH was on Capital Hill crying about the system, and he’s retired. Don’t fall into this “Outrage” trap, coaches know what the playing field is, so much so that blue chip players will literally “BOLT” from their program if they said something as stupid as Nick said……🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Where is the structure for coaches salaries & leaving jobs?
Professonial. resume, Body of work,character, expirence,giving ORG confidence you will invest funds well (on gen x)🤥
They are EMPLOYEES, not intercollegiate student athletes. The same rules do not...and should not apply. High school football players do not get get paid the same as the coach. this is such a stupid, ignorant argument.
The market dictates coaches salaries and buyouts.
@@someguy6212
Lol, where in the market have u seen a coach couldn't leave a job? Name one coach. Smdh
@@theknowitall4090
You are upset because black players can no longer be controlled by old racist white coaches to make billions off of black players.
Good to hear real talk, bottom line talk. The backlash is just people that hate Saban, hate Alabama and are against ANYTHING that Saban says. In reality, and I've talked to people that criticized Saban, that told me they actually agreed with everything that he laid out. When folks personal feelings get into the way of what's right that's when problems show themselves. When your hatred blinds you from listening to reason, that's what causes problems. In a broader spectrum, that is what's wrong with America. People's hatred of a party or a person blinds them from listening and following what's right. There should have been thousands upon thousands that said yes Coach Saban, we are behind you, we agree. Instead, their blind hatred of all things Alabama got in the way of fixing this issue. Saban was saying the things that made college football great have gone away. He is not wrong and even the Bama haters out there will....secretly...admit he is right.
it actually blows my mind how much hate saban has gotten since retirement. I always thought that people at least respected what he did but all it has been is non stop cope and excuses as to why he owned cfb for 20 years. its actually disgusting and cringe inducing
He’s a cry baby who knew he couldn’t win without getting all the talent. Alabama is not the only ones who can pay anymore. No more cheating under the table anymore.
@@gamingdreams2142get the hell outta here he’s the goat and coaches are poaching
@@gamingdreams2142 The level of ignorance among the casuals is astounding. You don’t deserve to watch this sport.
LOL at being surprised at how many people don't believe the, cough, greatest coach in history.
1 legit NC, 2015.
@@mas5867one legit NC 😂😂 dude...
The "scholar athlete" never thought they were getting paid the 160K per year before NIL...that's the problem.
I think player contracts would serve two purposes. One, it would make the players work for their money and two, it would slow down the portal.
You can forget about that. The players will boycott and use Canada as their minor league. Bottom line, the days of free labor and coach intimidation are over. They days of two-faced lowlifes like Urban Meyer and Bobby Knight abusing players is over. The emperor has never had clothes.
@@AldiAldiFPen A, they cant boycott. They arent unionized and I think unionizing would still give the power to the schools as there are far more players that do not make much and are not known for them to go that route. Secondly What does Urban Meyer and Bobby knight have to do with contracts and making a player work for money vs what is happening right now
Most people do not understand NIL. This is supposed to be amateur sports. DI major college sports program are subsidizing professional leagues like the NFL, NBA, and WNBA (a league that has never made a profit). I agree. Professional athletes should be paid, but not through a phony "student-athlete" program. The NFL and NBA can fund their own minor league programs, just like baseball. Hocky can do the same.
There are current female athletes selling themselves on Only Fans. There is already issues with that. The LSU gymnast is not selling her athletic ability. If you believe that, you are naive.
Why should Iowa's Clark be given an athletic scholarship while making over $4 million? She has teammates that are walk-ons getting nothing from NIL or the school.
D3 is the way college sports are supposed to be. The problem with D3 is the schools are very expensive. The good news is D3 athletes have more academic talent than D1 athletes and become productive members of society after college. That's what we need out of colleges.
The system is broken and there is really no rehabilitation. College is now semi-pro for football and basketball. The question the universities have to ask themselves and find an answer to is this. Do universities want to 'hire' a semi-pro athletic program (similar in concept to sponsoring/funding a minor league baseball team) or do they want to limit their involvement in the major sports and return to education only? First of all, student athletes can chase the highest pay as it stands now. Second, 75% of athletes who are earning $75,000, or more, are unlikely to take classes seriously. Actual learning will disappear. 3) Scholarships are not taxable. NIL money is taxed which means accurate record keeping is a must, IRS filing every year, and payments. Agents are going to be required or very desirable to keep the finances straight and acquire more revenue. The agents are going to be another source of corruption and complication to an already confused system. Then there is gambling. Going to be almost impossible to prevent cheating scandals, WHICH IS CRIMINAL.
The players are not receiving a share of football revenue as they should. NIL is a separate revenue stream for players. The universities and administrators are making millions from TV contracts. The players are the product and retain all physical risk. Saban is upset NIL allows for a distribution of talent. He probably prefers the days without the 85 scholarship limits as well. Bama can't stockpile 4 and 5 star recruits anymore.
Share of the revenue insinuates that they are unionized and can negitiate for that. As they are not they are employees and employees do not get that. They should take care of that but that also means the NCAA can and will put rules in place they dont like.
Nick Saban warned about this 3 years ago. SABAN warned everyone that this was going to happen when Brice Young got NIL money. He saw it for what it was.
No, he lied to say Bryce got a million as a recruiting tactic to get other athletes to come.
I wish the haters would make up their minds. Apparently Saban is mad that he can't "...keep his players poor" anymore because while he coached them he was paying them lavishly. How do you "keep your players poor" if you're secretly paying them tons of cash under the table?!
The fact is that they have no well reasoned argument. They just have hate they emotionally spray in all directions to briefly feel better about their miserable lives
Truth hurts sometimes.
I love when the "patriots" and "lovers of freedom" complain about capitalism and a free market when its not benefiting them 😂
They only have a problem when young black men are the majority of the beneficiaries 🤔🤔🤔
@@wayneblack4085Its all about fairness and equality for all. Thats what America is about. Real Americans support players receiving the maximum they can earn. Its called free market and capitalism. A lot of so called "Americans" complaining about this are actually secret socialists. Its so hilarious how hypocritical they are 😂
Make it an emphasis of higher learning - after all, these are college institutions. They are STUDENT-athletes. if being paid as an employee, make it performance based (both athletic & scholar). While you're at it, make coaches contracts/salaries performance based too. I think the astronomical always climbing coaches salaries is what has brought on much of the want/desire of players to be paid too & get a "piece of the pie" from the tv revenue. Instead of saying we will pay a QB $1.5m to come play for our school....say we will pay "up to" $1.5mil and if your performance (athletic & scholar) rises, you will get the full 1.5mil. If not, it will be a % of it, based on "performance". This will cause everyone to play better and do better in school. That is how you "develop" them into productive adults post college.
There’s a lot of gaslighting in this video. The fact that college educated people cannot figure out a solution for this is laughable. But it’s also funny to see “fanatics” of a long failed and unfair system that is College Football make empty calorie arguments to save the system. The easy answer is stop forcing young men to waste their time going to schools to be exploited, when the NFL and NBA could have a minor league system where players can go and work full time as minor league players, and not have to worry about class, and all the pointless things that are a distraction from what they’re really in school for… to play sports and nothing else.
Plantation owners upset black free labor is being abolished.
Take your race baiting shit somewhere else.
Would most of these players even be in college if it weren't for football? What would they be doing instead?
I’m waiting for the answer on this one
So with your opinion, you’re implying Saban is the plantation owner not wanting to pay his labor
@@graciel2313
No, i dont think the white players would be in college.
So he is mad that players have options now that he is having a congressional hearing? You people are delusional who have never played football
When the playing field is even Saban went Bye Bye
What a JOKE
The joke is you believe NIL has and will even the playing fieĺd.
@@richardroberts4355 Saban only 1 Natty his last 6 years Coaching 🤣
@@jamie-gy6bd 1 title is more than 99% of coaches will win their entire career.
@@richardroberts4355 Don't cry bout it little guy🤣
@@jamie-gy6bd the only time I cry is when I eat your mom's nasty cornbread
I'll say this about NIL, it needs some adjustments and limitations but it's a great thing for every single person on each team. There will be a answer as to what is allowed & not sooner than later so it's all good for these young men & women. As for Nick Saban's complaints, he is right on some things he said but not all. He has been buying his players Dodge sports cars for many years and there is the issue why people are calling him a hypocrite. He sure is by the way. I thought he retired but obviously he hasn't. He needs to move on with his miserable retirement self. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!
NIL does not need any adjustments. We are a capitalist country. That would be un American as hell.
I think the fix is to the transfer portal and to tampering. Make the transfer portal as it was, if you move you dont get to play for at least one season unless you graduate or the coach moves. That way it slows the transfers. The second I am pretty sure tampering going on with the big names that are jumping ship left and right. I get making their money but there has to be rules for tampering and transfering
@@justincolvin6712 why should the kids be penalized for transferring? Don't they have the right to transfer from one school to another? Do we penalize non student athletes when they transfer? If the answer is no then student athletes need to have that same right. That's the whole point.
@@bherbo3943 That makes the assumption that they are still considered students first and not semi-pro athletes. Athletes have never had the same rules as normal students. And yes if they were transferring as a student then yes transfer immediately, but as a player no. This would curb the money race and tampering.
Tom Luginbill if not one single current coach is against the players getting paid, then why have they not been vocal about it the past 60 years? Coaches are for NIL now just to save face. To call the coaches greedy scum of the earth would be too kind.
Exactly 😂!!!!! Where were the coaches when players weren't getting paid. No one came to their defense. Now, all of sudden, there are senate hearings and committees
@@KD-nd6ed Where were the coach supported Senate hearings to get the athletes paid? When colleges were having camps outside of their home states, Nick Saban spoke out against it and got the NCAA to ban it in less than two years. But, when it comes to NIL these sleazy coaches will pretend like they are powerless.🤨
Asking for money before they've 'done anything', isn't the 'real world' - yes it is, in the real world, hyper rare skill sets are always paid a premium. Also NEED gets paid a premium- if the Job needs the Employee, more than the Employee needs the job, guess who has leverage. And which one of use wouldn't use that leverage. All collective bargaining does is put control back in the coaches hands, thats why they really crying...loss of control
This is a business and in business when you work in a field that has several competing like businesses you have to sign a non compete clause when you are hired. You can't just leave and go to work for the competitor next door immediately, there has to be some rules.
@@graciel2313 that alot of people do doesn't mean you have to. If you're skilled enough or what you do is rare enough you don't have to sign a non compete clause. Just look at actors, there are competing Studios but they can't force Tom Cruise to not make an action movie for each.
I can't believe Saban doesn't want the players to be paid. Shame on you, coach.
Because most people are just really freaking stupid.
What is it like 2-3 yrs. into NIL and Saban walks away from coaching. Now he says we need structure and parity because he can't stockpile all the top 3, 4 and 5-star recruits. How about we cap the AD's and HC's in college football's contracts, are they down for that?
Facts
Saban was still signing top classes. Never slowed down at all. CFB clearly needs some structure around this, so you just want to hate.
@@briangwin1251 I never mentioned anything about hate, Saban IMO is the greatest college HC of all time. This has nothing to do with him as a coach but everything to do with the hypocrisy of the institutions, the NCAA and some of these HC's.
@@coreydon7097 signing top classes yes but those players transfer quick asf when it come to money and playing time the talent gap is no where near as large i dont think you understand saban use to have talent stacked up all the way to the 4th strings waiting on the bench and that changed when the portal and nil came along so he couldn’t hoard talent anymore no team will ever dominate again like alabama did for so long and you saw he couldn’t dominate anymore right after 2020 he was able to compete and win games but never blow teams out
I'm an Lsu fan kids go to Alabama because they win and they win because of Nick Saban and how much is a 4 year college education worth that should be motive enough
Incoming Bammer madness in the comments. Get ready for some 3 page Saban championship rants and history lessons.
GaF
SABAN IS THE G.O.A.T.🐐 AND HE SPEAKS REAL TRUTH‼️💯🎯
CFB FBS NEEDS TO BREAK AWAY FROM THE NCAA AND CREATE A CFB COMMISSIONER POSITION...THEN, HIRE NICK SABAN AS THE CFB COMMISH‼️ "MAKE COLLEGE FOOTBALL GREAT AGAIN"‼️
Hes whining .
MAGA Saban showing his true colors just like Tubberville, Phill Jackson and George Karl
For Sabear to say he just can't do it anymore because he can no longer run a clean program is hilarious! He's been doing ALL this shit for decades! JUst give em another McDonalds bag full of cash. It's like handing your toddler your phone to make her stop crying!
womp womp saban owned my team for 15 years and i have to say he cheated to cope with it
Dummy
Evidence?
got nothing to say now huh
nick is tripping....hypocracy at it finest collage football is more popular now than ever coached get paid players get paid everyone is winning..nick salty that playing field is even
Saban is just mad because his monopoly is over!!! Saban can go flip himself!!!! He was paying his players for years!!! He just did that and now it is all legal!!!!
Brain dead take
@@jasonbrown097 you must be one of the gumps! If you don’t think for a second that Saban was not paying his players for years you are nuts!!! Saban is whiny lil bitch who get the benefit of the doubt more than any other program. Name me another achool that did not win their conference or division twice, and still wins the natty. He is the only coach I can think of that got rewarded for losing!
@@tswerv Saban is just butt hurt!!! It does not take a genius to see that. All you Saban defenders are likely a bunch of fake Bama fans who will likely look for the next team to dominate. Let me guess, I bet all of you will be Georgia fans next year.
TRUTH!!!!
@spc1689: Or, you could go flip your mudder. Who is deeply ashamed of your existence, btw
gEn--Z i think i should get paid$ before i go to work🤡😭. Show me a resume-------if they s*** do they give the Benzo back?
Employment is based on performance. So when one extends their hand for payment the coach as a pay master for the company assets they must be held to account.
Saban is whining about paying players being legal when he was paying players under the table better than anyone. You think Nick Saban signed 6 straight #1 ranked recruiting classes because of his charming personality, or because Tuscaloosa is heaven on Earth. By the way, far more than .4% of players from a place like Bama or Georgia are successful in this NFL, depending on what your definition of success is.
Statement without proof. Have to be a barner
Evidence?
I’m a die hard Bama fan by birth, but even I think Saban complaining about “the system” is a joke.
These coaches can’t act as kings anymore.
He's definitely whining
Saban left Alabama to try and literally save College Football as a whole
You dudes talk in circles..this is simple and obvious..the transfer portal is the problem..not the n.i.l..plus saban is the man and all of the ones talking shit don't even deserve to be in a conversation with him.
I completey agree, fix the portal and it will shut down most of this. Make it like it was, sit out a year after transfer, except if you graduate or coach moves and this should stop or at least slow down
No, fix NIL, the portal isn't the problem! Players have been transferring for decades but now it's a problem, I don't think so, fix NIL!
@@bryandawkins4984 The portal became so much of a glaring problem when they removed the one year rule and when NIL became active.