Why Everything Fell So Quickly Theory? CRM Early Influence? How Did They Form? The Walking Dead
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- Why Everything Fell So Quickly Theory? CRM Early Influence? How Did They Form? The Walking Dead
Discussing a Reddit post and my thoughts on a theory many fans have and that has been discussed here and there before here at the channel.
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Being in the Marines and seeing people think that any shred of the military would stay at their posts is wild. Most guys, including myself would leave for our families as soon as word got out that flesh eating dead people were everywhere.
This is what happened in WB.... How would you react to orders to shoot everyone on sight.... Huck shot her commander and crew.
Don’t they live on base with you guys?
@@method2madness1 most of the military doesn't live on base at all.
@@method2madness1 spouse and children on base.... But most think of Mom etc also... and most are not close to home, you get moved away.
It's wild that you think that most would
The original walker variants seen in season 1/2 would have wreaked total havoc, being able to climb, move quickly use primitive tools, open doors, remember where they lived combined with operation cobalt and sunset protocols the average person would struggle to survive. The rapid fall makes sense
this is the best retcon / explanation i've heard for the frank D era zombies.
But that was a different directors vision. You have to base it on the current director vision and they probably don't have a good excuse as to why because they screwd it up with all the changes.
Watching the show again, man those Atlanta zombies in 1x02 were scary. The way they moved, carried weapons and ran? Holy shit.
Good points. Add in the facts that many of the people were seriously ill with the virus and would be dying (from it) and quickly turning. Plus most of the population not knowing how to put down a walker. Most of the population would have been quickly overwhelmed
During my military career, I participated in several government-wide Continuity of Operations (COOP) exercises in Bluemont VA and mear Martinsburg WV. There are several other COOP facilities throughout the county. The Fed Govt & military wouldn’t fall very quickly, based on my experience from 26 years in the military (retired Intel Officer).
I dont think the Gov or Military prepares for a zombie situation. And what is all the top Leadership is infected and all chain of command breaks down. After Katrina , I have no doubt the Gov would break down very quickly.
The military also has a plan against zombies as "dumb" as that sounds. At least I heard that I have zero experience with anything like that lol. But the military would end the outbreak here very fast. That's why the last of us is better, they have competent militaries and zombies. Besides the secend game of course.
I’ve talked about this(& other zombie based apocalypses like world war z) with some of my buddies that have military backgrounds & their biggest grief is firing on civilians. For example if they had a wall of civilians interspersed with infected it would be hard for them to fire on civilians if they were ordered. Even knowing the bigger picture, that would be the one thing that would cause them to break ranks. (Beyond the desire to be with loved ones in a catastrophe)
@@eobardthawn6903the second games military sucked because most of the WLF soldiers were ex FEDRA that joined due to the actions of FEDRA at the Thursday Market Massacre. Once most of the military evacuated, the WLF launchef a surprise attack, killing and pushing out any remaining forces. The military probably fell back to some Army base east of Seattle. But yeah, The Last of Us goes over nice revolution acts
The CRM seems to take a lot of inspiration from the Enclave in Fallout and the Enclave planned for the apocalypse well in advance so I think the theory has merit
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the CRM looks alot like the Coopertive from AHS Apocalypse
With the vast resources and the large population, It definitely feels the CRM may have been a branch of the government or perhaps a contingency plan within Directive 51 before the outbreak.
Wasn't the wildfire virus known like 100 days before the global outbreak?
@@icrywhenisleep2130 It was known about. However, they initially had the virus confined. When the virus escaped confinement it likely mutated into a more dangerous variant.
@@icrywhenisleep2130wildfire only became a global threat in August or september 2011 whilst it was discovered in the beginning of 2011.
I love this idea and it's totally plausible. It makes sense that a small part of the govt/militarily would carve out a small safe zone from the start. If so I'd love to see why they've become so mysterious and how they became the Civic Republic. I've never seen an American flag so it seems they've become their own new entity? ( if it did in fact form from the US Military)
Yeah it seems they wanted to "start fresh" as the new light of the world.
The flag behind Beele is the Commonwealth flag of Pa. I'm from Philly and I remember seeing a broken down worship blocking the water off. Well Philly in real life has 25 plus retired warships in the marina from when the Naval Base closed. The base is closed put still there and I think its secretly operational because the military guards it still despite no families living there anymore.
I think this whole thing is definitely likely can or could really happen to us for real 👾👾👾👾
But if I'm right,Dave said they left the city by taking I95 which would lead straight to Atlanta.Jadis was a undercover and so was Huck. Dave could have been. He knew about Nebraska,he knew about boats taking survivors to the islands(Padre,Virgils island)mitch took the tank from fort benning. Dave knew that and Washington was also over ran. I'm Intrigued by this really for the longest time. I just hope they show a flashback of this. Rick has to remember everything that guy said. Rick said you are long way from Philadelphia and said I heard Nebraskas nice.
@TheGovernor2003 yes Thank God. I thought I was the only one. Maybe at the time they made it. But come on the guy practically said everything that followed ten years later. That's definitely were this entire narrative was created from. I hope Rick has call back to it. It also is the first time he killed a human. And I know he's killed many but having a conversation like that prior only to wake up one day and be in the city the guy mentioned and also followed by learning all the other safe havens are places this random guy mentioned a mere 3 or 4 months into all of this. It couldn't be a coincidence.
That's before the garbage writing and CRM was even a thing.
@@Italkmadshitlol yea your probably right. But being It’s the first time Rick killed a human and everything that has happened after that moment was such a impactful moment.
Probably several small groups that combined.. With some having government background. Deanna said they tried to evacuate to a safe zone but only got as far as Alexandria... Everything was in chaos... But they had to start from the beginning to have so many resources. Their were supposed to be government groups at PADRE, and the bunker with the senator. They began with the protocol but then became something else because of Beals psychosis...
We have a better reason why it fell in the first season but they made so many changes. Its really up to the current director what poor excuse will be used. Rick is the only redeming factor here and maybe its a good thing if they dont try to answer that at this point with all the changes.
Do you think Rick will remember the guy from Randalls group telling him about Philadelphia and Nebraska?
Those early days of the fall videos of yours are the ones I enjoy the most!!!
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Here is the biggest problem with the entire concept of the zombie apocalypse. Lets use some math here. If 90% of the world population died and became 'the walking dead'. Then for every living man, woman, and child, you would need to 'put down' just 10 zombies each, and you'd solve the problem. Aside from the periodic death from illness, or accident, if everyone was responsible to put down just 10 deaders, there wouldn't be a threat. Between Rick's group, The Saviors, the Governor, the remnants of the military, the wolves, terminus group, the claimers, the vatos, the hospital police, and just about every other group we've seen in the show, there is no way that they haven't cleared 100,000 in just the first year.
By the end of year 10, that's around a million, and that's just assuming the groups that we see in the show... Not counting the ones that get eaten by dogs, fall off of buildings, or end themselves by getting swept into a river, or whatever situation. We have to presume that there are 'Ricks' and 'Negans' and 'Governors' in just about every county and/or state. If the ones we see in the show can take out 100,000, then the apocalypse would only last about a year... if that long. More like a few months.
Just 10 each... If the world population is 8.1 Billion, the 90% would be about 7.29 Billion zombies, to 810 million living.
Just 10... just sayin'. Now, sure, you might have to go 'hunting' for that last million, (trapped in buildings, wells, vehicles), but the survivors of all groups could focus on rebuilding society, in about a year, without a thought about zombies at all.
We talked about this before. Season 2 the guy in the bar was from Philadelphia (were I am) I remember him saying the city fell quickly. Now the city is set up from the skyline to the south of the city which is south Philly and below that is the old navy base which closed in 95 but it was like small town within itself with about 25 retired warships in the marina. The airport is south of the city. Ricks chopper from Virginia would have flown to the south first. The upper parts of the city sadly has the biggest drug open market. Thousands die a month from the bad fentyal epidemic. If this were to happen Philly would fall fast but they easily could seal the south off. Beale's picture has the state flag behind him. And outside the city I believe they truly do have a underground safezone. But regardless do you think Rick will remember everything Dave said in the bar? Especially after waking up in Philadelphia.
@TheGovernor2003 me too. I'll be so disappointed if its completely forgotten.
I know what you said, to me, before. Consider, though, that there is a time jump and that the commonwealth, along with other nearby communities gained strength in numbers - that strength in numbers would also be very strong, physically, because of those from the main show, who would take over key positions and know the many obstacles they could face. That would be seen as a challenge to crm. A challenge Morgan and/through Al may find out about.
Major general is not the highest rank in the military. I wonder who Beal's superiors are because Major General is a 2 star general and in the US military the highest rank is a 4 star general.
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in reality portland would be bombed not because of zombies but just because....
it was then reclaimed
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Really great topic, love talking about this
I think the theory that they were already a small part of the US military is where I would put my money. We see the helicopter in episode 1. Not sure if it was ever 100% confirmed that it was CRM because they hadn’t thought that far ahead yet but I like to think it is because of how it made sense to take Rick away at the end of his run on the main show. He sees it in his first episode and his last. Other than the final scene in the series finale
Probably the group the gov took out
Or padre/madre base?
That helicopter in season 1 was the same helicopter that got blown off by the governor. The CRM only formed right where the outbreak started. They only got possession of helicopters in the middle of the walking dead timeline
CRM did not exist season 1. The United States military and government was actually still a thing after the outbreak all the way till season 6-7. What we saw was a military helicopter what was left of the government. If you take for example the governor in season 3 he visited a squad of active duty soldiers and fooling them and killing them which means the US military still was strong and out there. Then season 6 or 7 Michone and Rick go finding weapons for Negan and they get attacked by a Walker with an Army uniform and a military issued rifle strapped onto him. Same season as well where Abraham found the RPG off that Army soldier. The CRM probably started forming around season 6-7 exactly the time the United States military officially stopped existing even as small units
I love this out of the box thinking. I think it would be great to get some back story. We really don't know that much about CRM. I was hoping we will get to learn some more about them in these spin offs. Fingers Crossed...
A walking dead movie with all new characters showing the cities falling and bombing and then ends with a bit of a flashback scene. Soldiers inside a hospital committing a massacre and somewhere in there is Shane trying to rescue then barricade Rick into his room and then have to fight his way out of the hospital, killing many soldiers in the process
I may be out in left field on this and I know they did kind of touch on this with fear The Walking Dead but the thing about that show that I like so much was that we actually get to see the fall and it didn't even bother me when it was slow because I knew what they were building to I would love an entire series that's nothing but the fall and then a little bit of the look and feel that we got out of season 1 and 2 with people trying to adjust to this world that's my favorite time in this show was the first two or three seasons the more human beings that they brought into the show the less and less I liked it but I'm definitely down if they want to do a series that just shows the entire fall from start to finish
I dont understand how these sorts of establishments have these fancy uniforms and flags and stuff when there are no factories operating to make their stuff and theres no supply of materials to make those things either
the supply of materials is a question - but with 200k people in a large protected community - they can make just about anything with the right supplies.
Seeing this video made me happy I have a feeling my comment in the previous video has a part in it
My theory had always been a pure mathematical one.
Keep in mind these are modern numbers but it still gets my idea across
In a country like the US less than 8,000 die a day with each of them getting back up and increasing the numbers, then theres countries like the republic of china who less than 30,000 people a day die, again getting back up and killing, India with just over 25,000 people a day, so my idea is that unless these countries can put these walkers down as soon as they arrive, they will start to overtake and people didn’t know early on that you already have the virus and it doesn’t matter how you die so long as your head is intact.
So cause of this lack of knowledge they would try stopping travel, but all that would do would delay arrival of essential medicines treatments that again adds to the numbers, imagine all the people on life support once the power goes out, a hoard of zombies made in a instant, so put simply because the number of humans was too numerous we couldn’t stop it, its only now we have these small localised governments like Civic Republic and commonwealth and settlements like Alexandria and hilltop that a monitorable population is possible, less people leading to less conflict and also you can keep an eye on the weak and infirm, take them to specialised care homes where they can live out the rest of their life in peace before getting a blade to the skull, like we saw in world beyond.
What if during operation cobalt, Beale was in the hospital while Rick was there in the beginning…?
I noticed right away the helicopter was Seventh Cavalry, Custers Regiment.
I was thinking about a spin off that was about Pamela and her family I think it would be really interesting considering her father was the president
DUDE IT ALL MAKES SINCE NOW CRM IS LITERALLY BEHIND THE WHOLE APOCALYPSE!!!!! They were probably involved in the meeting in toledo but I swear robert Kirk an better not end the show with a umbrella cooperation type ending where a group of people wanted to take over the world by killing off everyone,however it would be worst is it was like a 28 weeks later type deal where a group comes in and shoots up everything causing it lms 😅thanks for the vid tho @TWDEXPLAINED
Well cities would snowball within hours beyond saving. I mean imagine 1 case hitting a crowded hospital or office building or subway station.
I think the opposite. These zombies are not a threat at all to a trained army. It would be contained in less than a week.
Could you maybe make a clip of what we know so far about the CRM and Civic Republic?
I will try to do so! Thanks!
It would make sense that Philadelphia would have the site for some sort of contingency, especially with naval base there it would have been easy to secure in the beginning, and since for a time it was the capital of the US it would be a good as place as ever for a new government to form after the fall of DC, especially if they would have been able to rally the remnants of the military, though if they were an part of the contingency they spent a very long time hiding even from other safe zones that still exist like Alexandra, like a year or two i could understand but over a decade? Really i mean think about it, we know during that time countless groups and settlements had both risen and fallen, yet the civic Republic or at least the crm seemed willing to not only watch everything burned to the ground, but they watched as them ember died out as well.
Also still curious about Hawaii and the navy
You have to remember that these characters haven't been trained for decades on how to handle zombies. IF they knew what we know, the outbreak gets contained. But not knowing how to kill these things and that we all have the virus, the military was crippled.
When people die and turn, and then bite others who die and turn, it took a bit to figure out what was happening.
That twitter post @3:30 makes a lot of sense.
It’s weird if you go back and watch Nadia talking to huck prior to killing her. They talk about Rick in past tense, so does that mean he’s dead at that point? Or are we past that?
I think they were saying the event of her trading him was in the past
The CRM basically became independent in 2020. As soon as the outbreak started it took a while for power to be transferred from the us government towards the citizens and the remaining military. Eventually the CRM started having control over the whole country as soon as the US government fell.
Well yeah it makes sense that the helicopter that Rick found at the hospital could had CRM origin. It kind of makes you think maybe the CRM wanted the apocalypse to happen; maybe they really do know what started it how the virus was created and they just did not want to stop it. It's basically the GRM from dying light
We learn on The Ones Who Live how it played out - CRM formed right after (it was not a thing before)
People didn't believe it until it was too late
How hard is it to survive a zombie apocalypse that can be elluded by moving at a trot?
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The military personnel that did stay at their bases or survival camps would be overrun pretty quickly. Not only because of the zombies but because when you get huge cities full of people scrambling to try and get to refugee camps they would attempt to keep it under control but eventually, people would stop standing in line and getting checked for wounds, they’d push their way in and as the military had to shoot the crowds of people they would turn, then they’d be fucked. The fall would happen pretty quickly and it makes perfect sense. Tens of thousands of people forcing their way into whatever camps are “safe” coupled with the walking dead would be the downfall of the military.
The crm has akways been my theory. Or at least the early version of it. Tyey talked tge government into cobalt, then attacked and betrayed the leaders.
I look at the lockdowns, cops and government were doing 1 week on 3 weeks off and basically hiding. I went months without seeing any cops on the highway. Then again crime went down, and there were less problems in that it largely didn't become a free for all either. Except for major american cities i drove through.
Some of them were almost war zones, you would watch catastrophic accidents and people just drive or walk away, or people drinking hard liquor with the bottles right in their console cup holder.
I don't know. Im pretty sure bad places would just get worse no matter what.
So what exactly is the civic republic doing? What shady things have they done?
The CR is not doing anything (except staying hidden maybe?) - the Civic Republic Military's leader - Major General Beale is trying to stay in power so he has done many bad things including murdering over 100,000 people.
I like to think it's because there wasn't much social media😂😂😂😂 the good old days
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i have a question do you think Morgan was the first to see the wispers in season 3 when rick found morgan he stated people wearing dead faces
I personally do not. The show can retcon that and I will be ok with it - but do I think the writers of the episode had that in mind? I do not. I'd have to look up if Kirkman even had the idea for the comic Whisperers at that point - the episode was in 2013 and Whisperers in comic came in 2014.
Knowing that Season 8 in the timeline took place only about 1/2 - 2 years into the apocalypse makes it crazy how quick the CRM came along.
We first seen The Civic Republic I believe in season 8.
Rick sees a helicopter, and it’s a sign.
I believe we will definitely get our answers in The Ones Who Live.
The CRM and its origins is just the Enclave from Fallout, change my mind.
I know The Walking Dead and the last of us are two different store lines with similarities, but I’m honestly curious I mean, how did the last of us still have a military presence that kept society of float through QZ‘s? Did the walkers all of a sudden take down the entire military, especially if these things were practically slower than normal humans I mean, how did these things become so powerful than all of government and civilization was lost that only survivor made settlements were able to last for an extent
Zombie stories have a need to "quash the military" for plot and story - it's just the nature of the genre. But, I think the TWD story also tries to imply - it was the living, turning on the living, that eliminated options.
Now that you mentioned it, I think it’s kind of the point for both stories. I’m just saying that because in the both worlds human beings tend to turn on each other for the sake of survival it also displays different personality types. Those were adapted survival those were not.
I don’t believe for 1 second the military would have fallen.
It wouldn't of but, plot.
Whoever made that Reddit comment, has 100% more executive writing skills and imagination than the current showrunners
Most of the time they do!! On other shows as well 😮 What has happened to the world?
Plot is easy.... Dialogue makes the show. That's the hard part of writing, we all have ideas, but do days of dialogue.
Every one got sick with the virus died became a walker
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Would be cool to see a different perspective maybe the walking dead set in japan or mexico maybe canada
Japan has godzilla
Their fine
Mexico is Mexico being Mexico
Also i heard Canada is fucking cold so would zombies freeze?
An interesting theory for discussion.
I do think there were a number of contingency plans. Many of the government officials and some of the military would have been evacuated to "safe" locations and the CRM base in Philadelphia could be one of those. However, my thoughts are that there would be several of these locations, not just one
The Civic Republic and the CRM likely grew from one (or more of these) safe zones.
I don't think the CR/CRM was directly responsible for initiaing Project Cobalt. The military was simply following protocol. Once the safe zones were getting over run, Project Cobalt was initiated and they bombed the cities, and then the military evacuated to specific bases.
They haven't really gotten into (enough) specifics, but it seems that some of the cities (like Portland, Omaha) were Civic Republic and some (Philly) were CRM. My own impression about the CRM wiping out Omaha and the Campus Colony wasn't about a shortage of supplies. Rather it was a way of trying to keep control instead of allowing the Civic Republic was going to take over the leadership
At this point I think the writers are definitely way to lazy to flesh any of that out the way it should be.
The US government would not go anywhere let’s be honest
The answer is: even with the CDC giving some form of untested zombie advice, no civilisation is set up to deal with such a fast spreading and aggressive virus, no human is set up to do what's needed in that situation on day one, why? You still think the undead is human and that stays your blade.
We just dont have the infrastructure to deal with a virus that can kill in seconds and reanimate in a shorter time, no hospital is set up to deal with this, why? They have no way of effectively dealing with the ressurected without allowing it to spread, the hospital in the pilot showed they locked the ressurected in a room and sealed it, proving what i just said.
The miltary would fold. There is no way people would believe any soldier in that situation would fight to the last man in a losing battle, they'd start leaving and would go AWOL, grab what equipment, ammunition, fuel and a vehicle to save their hides and their family. We all would do it, the difference is the top brass did that at least 24 hours before.
Police and emergency services would do the same, Rick did, tbf he wanted to maintain the law he vowed to uphold.
That's why everything fell, as the undead outbreak gets worse, you can't keep up with the effective disposal methods needed to maintain the low undead numbers needed to hold the line before delivering an effecive total eradication method.
If you can't keep on top of killing the brains of the fallen, you emd up adding to their numbers, not taking from it.
This is what all people go through, the refusal to kill their ressurected loved ones or refusing to kill those ressurected under medical care (see the hospital door), thus adding to the undead legion, too late do people harden their hearts and kill the brain of the dead.
It's probably not an answer people want to hear, but think about it. We have a choice in this situation, we either harden our hearts on day one or lose everything.
The Civic Republic seems to have outposts dotted all across America.
You'd have to. A walled off section of Philadelphia isn't gonna get you enough food. You need propper livestock pastures and big stretches of farm land to feed a quarter million people.
Their cutesy little raised bed gardens ain't gonna cut it, they need GRAIN. And it's unsanitary to have livestock too internixed with residentisl areas. There's a reason we have zoning laws.
Not to mention fuel or having a communications network. Radio can only broadcast so far.
Certain goods need to be manufactured, so they probably have some industrial facilities secured.
And Okafor was right in the Ones Who Live premiere: it's just not gonna be feasible to expand any farther with the level of paranoid secrecy and brutality they operate under.
They need to be having babies and growing their population, and educating children with the knowledge and skills to keep modern society going before the few who still know how to do it all get old and die.
They're insane to have newcomers piss away six childbearing years out doing the grunt work.
Okafor seemed to be looking for a millet variety that could grow in a certain climate?
I am a little curious to see what would happen if Negan did not lose power, and the CRM found The Saviors? Would they joinh forces, or would they go to war?
Mostly join Negan ain't stupid if he see there are much bigger group than his then he would likely become Officer in CRM
@gametvon98 they obviously knew of negan they have thier depots everywhere and most likely some secret safe houses also the crm was nearby while all out war was taking place so they knew of those communities fighting its not like the crm is blind and has no idea of other communities out there just look at the pioneers they are so big almost as big as the saviors
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I don’t think the CRM would want the USA to fall i don’t really understand what they would gain from that
It's more like there are a few at the top that want power and control and are using everyone beneath them to try and keep/get it.
Just like the real world 😮
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but why make Philadelphia their location, there's much better locations
Tbf the world is currently falling apart quickly
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Personally, I think the producers have decided to drop the Civic Republic BS seeing how utterly boring World Beyond was.
I don’t think so, we’ll see plenty of it in TOWL