I can see the US military having trouble with 28 Days Later style infected/zombies, but there’s NO way the military fails against TWD zombies that can’t keep up with a senior citizen using a walker.
Now I'm trying to picture my grandma taunting zombies while running with her walker. 😂 Truth be told tho, even than TWD zombie are faster than her rn, but she just had knee surgery a month ago so
There's soo many zombies that there's no end to it. The military could fire a bullet every second of every day for an entire year, and if every one of those bullets killed a zombie, you will have only killed 31 million zombies. But you're not going to kill zombies that fast at a regular rate. Not even close. I'd imagine there are pockets of military alive though, even if they are just doing nothing but sitting at their bases. Aircraft carriers would definitely be the most self sustaining places, able to have power, fresh water, all the amenities, aircraft to scavenge. But infections could spread there too.
The problem with twd is that no matter how you die you make more of them. Natural causes, wars, suicide, etc would just make millions or thousands of walkers worldwide. The military can't prevent that.
@@peoplez129 you seem to be ignoring the prospect of bombs, miniguns, helicopters, jets, and tanks. The military could kill walkers one at a time, if they were stupid. Though since they travel in herds, and get clumped up very easily, wouldn't be too hard to bomb them, throw grenades at them, shoot mortars, light them on fire... The military really just has so many options when it comes to this, I dont see the walkers standing a chance in the long run. The military would only get better at dealing with them as time went on. Also fun fact: There actually is a defense plan in case of a zombie apocalypse, wild but look it up.
@@what.6099 The point is, it's a numbers game. Even if a tank wipes out 100 zombies in one blast....if more than 100 seconds passes before they get to kill another zombie, then they are behind that 1 a second figure, which I already pointed out that after, would only equal 30 million zombies. Of course, it won't happen that on the clock, BUT the point is, if the entire military can't kill at least 1 zombie a second on average, perpetually, day and night, for several years straight, then it's going to take even longer than that. That's the problem. Those sheer numbers of zombies to kill in a full blown zombie apocalypse, takes a very long time.
How to create a zombie movie: -make the military fail a long range shooting situation against some slow zombies that just need to get close -make some characters be able to survive a Horde of zombies that the military could not -police and swat get easily killed by very slow zombies
Thats par for the course when I was in. Probably no ammo because someone forgot to sign for it. Bayonets were still in the arms room because pointy things are dangerous as well.
It really depends on the zombie types. Resident Evil bio weapons? We are screwed. Some of them can survive about anything but a direct nuke to the face. Dying Light? We are screwed once volatiles evolve to ignore UV light. Walking Dead? It will be a mess, since every dead person becomes a zombie, but it will be bearable. Etc. It is a balance of how tough/contagious/fast/intelligent zombies are. You get at least 2-3 of these at once and we are nothing but doomed
Ironically, likely Dawn of The Dead too since everyone is chilling outside the mall and I think I remember a bonus footage said “few months later, the infection finally stop and the army find some tape”
yeah i was thinking of shaun of the dead when i saw walking dead theres also another movie with slow zombie and they succeed to contain them at the end The only scary part of it is just how the virus works in walking dead but hey we survive covid and even though covid is real, we could adapt to it. Like in walking dead they could just let community know if someone is dying and stuff. Heck in shaun, zombies were made to be entertain materials in TV
MRGamers CJX most pilots could be dead also aircraft need a lot of care so that means ground crew for refuelling repairing etc in an apocalyptic world there’s deffo not gonna be a lot of available ground crew meaning no air support
I remember that the military in World War Z was initially overrun, but not to the point where they disbanded and the country fell apart. They retreated back across the Rocky Mountains, since mountains and other natural barriers are very effective at containing zombies (for instance, zombies can't cross mountains, because being dead means they have no body heat and will therefore freeze completely solid when trying to cross through the colder parts.) They eventually regrouped and started moving east to reclaim territory, and after training and equipping to fight zombies, the hardest things they found to deal with were survivor strongholds, which they would demand rejoin them and the government or else be considered secessionists whom they would take by force, and what they called "LaMOEs", of Lame-o's, which stood for "Last Man On Earth." Basically survivalists who had figured the world was over and the United States didn't exist as an entity anymore, and who were almost universally hostile to armed humans by that point. They had soldiers equipped and trained for "classic" human vs human combat to deal with those groups.
That's the problem with this. Sure, people die all the time. That, paired with bites, chaos, riots, looting, violence, etc would have had an initial oh crap. Like the only way this could happen were every SOP, General Order, Special Order, and plan were suspended in the DoD. Our government might be idiots, but the military operates on a whole different level. Hell, today, we literally have plans on how to deal with like six different kinds of zombies. lol
@@thatkidfromsubway3702 Answer: if the government and system was corrupt and rotten even before the outbreak that's even more of a reason to survive. I imagine some form of revolutions will happen during a zombie outbreak, including social and cultural ones. I'm looking forward to that.
If Rick and the gang can survive so long on so little food, i'm sure an army would be fine, especially considering that the only threat in the walking dead is other people, you can simply push past zombies, and a heard is not even a threat to a Tank, the most basic of equipment.
Those guys didn't go all out war with the zombies. Most of the time they avoided any contact with them. The armies early on treated the zombies like how they treat riots. And you MIGHT think tanks are the answer, but when you're facing thousands of living corpses mixed in with thousands of confused and angry citizens, in an URBAN AREA, you don't just bomb the place to oblivion. That's where operation cobalt came in.
You've said it yourself, it was somewhat ease for Rick and the gang to salvage resources and rations because that this is what they are a small gang...compare Rick's group needs with the needs of a military in the hundreds of thousands
as somebody in the military, he has some points. Military in the US, is about 1% of the population. Not understanding whats going on and wasting resources would happen in the first 2 maybe 3. Worry for family is bound to happen. However, one thing the Military dose is communicate very well, and hurry up and waits. While the police would get over run, a fully equipped task force could take out a zombie horde. It wouldn't take long at all to figure out to aim for the head. Hell, the military today shoots differently then spaying and praying. We'd find out rather quickly where to shoot. Heavy munitions would only be used at first against attacking hoards on bases. Till we fully understood what was going on. After that, things would be mop up. It wouldn't take a ton of time to figure out noise drew them in. People trapped behind infested lines, and we'd listen to civilian encounters leaning everything possible about this threat as quickly as possible. I'd like to mention that the Government has already thought of how to handle this. Government loves control. I'm sure that if a zombie outbreak happened, the Government would be fine.
But you're assuming that the military is unaffected, which it wouldn't be. The military would, initially, be in something of a state of chaos as people on the bases all over the country would fall sick, die, and turn so then the military would spend time trying get the bases back under control. Then, they're going to be busy accessing how bad things are, how many people they've lost, who they've lost and trying to reorganize the chain of command to fill in the gaps left by dead COs. After that, they're going not just going to rush out and start taking on walkers, not without at least an outline of a plan and taking time to gather all the resources they need. Lastly, if the outbreak occured on a weekend or a holiday then there's going to be even more time lost as units, once they get the word, scramble to try round up all of their troops, many of whom might be in town and caught in the madness there and unable to get back to base. It's not like all military personnel are on duty 24/7 or all live on base, ready to go at a moment's notice.
@@Riceball01 You're correct, but the problem always comes back to 'how did we end up here'? That is where all zombie stories fall apart. It would be impossible for an anomaly, such as the zombie virus, to go undetected long enough to reach the critical mass needed to create a horde. All levels of government and health research would be all over it like a fat kid on a candy bar. They'd know everything they'd need to know, i.e. how to kill them, before the zeds ever reached unmanageable numbers. On the other hand, if the virus would happen to achieve critical mass and creating vast hordes that could over run the military, the military would simply withdraw from the area and consolidate its resources. At no point would the military be put into a situation where they would be caught out and surrounded. That almost never happens in war, against human militaries, so it sure as hell isn't going to happen against mindless drones.
If the forces know what they're dealing with they could stand a chance. But would anyone even believe there's a zombie apocalypse? And by the time they did they'd just nuke the cities infected if it wasn't in numerous places at once. But they'd sooner nuke a city than waste infantry. It's be realistic to expect a nuke occurring if it meant containment.
Some military planners actually wrote a counter zombie plan. It's all in fun but reads just like a real-world US military plan Called CONPLAN 8888. This fictitious plan was created by junior military officers undergoing training related to the Department of Defense’s Joint Operational Planning and Execution System (JOPES), the formalized process by which the Department conducts all contingency planning and execution. In an effort to learn the JOPES process, and to do so in a more interesting way, the students were assigned this completely fictitious scenario and directed to use JOPES to develop a written contingency plan. Using this fictitious scenario avoided concerns over the use of classified information, it resolved sensitivity to using real-world nations or scenarios, and it better engaged the students. www.dmt-nexus.me/users/cosmicspore/Zombie.pdf
Joku Äijä the virus isn’t what kills them because every person is infected with it . death triggers it . as it showed in a flashback of shane in the hospital they had to kill a lot of people for people to turn into walkers
Would of been nice to hear about a “1 first wave” of virus that caused the flu (like in season 2) and was a super killer and then the 2nd wave is the wave that “activated” the virus in anyone who died.
This is why I appreciate Shawn of The Dead’s ending The military literally stopped the entire outbreak in just a day LOL and that movie was meant to be a comedy
You can be both smart and comedy. You can try to be serious as death but if you are dumb you'll end up with slow zombies eating soldiers with ARs, machine guns, artillery, etc.
True, I love fiction with the premise of crack taken seriously, meaning they have a absurd premise but treat it with thought and seriousness, it tends to be funny and smart. Slow zombies also do not seem that scary to me, a threat that my grandmom can outrun is kind of overwhelming. Than again slow is relative and slow zombies tend to have a burst of speed, but none the less something that relays on numbers to be a threat needs to answer why they had numbers in the first place. @@ImperativeGames
We can’t forget that the walkers were way stronger in season one. You can see Rick and Glenn running from walkers and you can see walkers climbing and sprinting to them
You also see them picking up teddy bears,opening doors, and coming back to familiar spots. They climbed fences used tools and were selective eaters. Some even moved with ninja like stealthness. In the end the walkers temperment had the most inconsistencies. That's why they overcame the military.
Except thats not the California Guard in FTWD, its 10th Mountain Infantry Division. 10th Mountain is a light infantry brigade out of New York. Did you know that you can google arm patches on soldiers and see their units?
Which is understandable in TWD universe, IRL the National Guard would've wiped them out, in TWD the military was more offensive than survivors which are defensive, causing them to break apart easily.
The military was well trained. Well trained to deal with combat. Not killing their friends. Well trained to be in a war zone. Not have their family in iheadsets. Very well trained to hit center mass. Trained to not go for headshots.
I always just assumed the main reason was the "everyone is infected" thing. Because with looting, rioting, etc. All it takes for one town to be lost is a breakdown in supply lines due to humans. If the trucks with food, water & ammo stop coming, good luck convincing soldiers to stay on their posts when they are unsure of their families' safety.
Do they have a better shot at saving/protecting their families alone or with their team? You wouldn't have large numbers of AWOL soldiers for this reason alone. The same logic applies to when countries attack countries. Soldiers in poland still showed up and fought Hitler even when their families were in danger. Why? The army was their best chance to save the people they loved. The army would be setting up safe zones. AWOL soldiers would likely be barred from entry. Their families too.
The thing that made the zombie apocalypse worse in the world of TWD was that everybody who died was turning. Not just who was bitten. That’s why it went so bad so fast. Just think about how many thousands of people worldwide die every day from normal means.
Even if that’s so it’d take at the absolute most a few days for people to realized that bodies need to be burned after death like they do in game of thrones. There’s simply no realistic reason that it should’ve gotten that bad in TWD universe
It’s something like 150000 a day globally, likely much more if the disease itself causes death in a certain portion of the population. And then MUCH more when the deaths cause healthcare centers to fall, and healthcare to be abandoned when we realize that death results in this process. People would isolate when ill, for fear of being killed by a terrified populace. People don’t get how fast death rates would spike in that scenario, and create an ever ramping increase in walkers. And ALL in civilian population centers.
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Military: has guns,choppers,tanks, ect... so what? Military would fail anyways. Becuase of man major problem. I hope you smart and can figure it out. I will give a hint "civilian economy".
But it’s harder for a zombie/horde to find you when you’re alone or in a small group, rather than a loud big squad of military personnel. (Although I still think the military would have a good chance of survival)
I was active duty in the Marines for 4 years. I can 100% see how the military could get overwhelmed. First off, we're not machines. If something like this happened, half the military would go take care of their families first, especially if the city is collapsing. Also, without command structure, the military would splinter into groups of rogue individuals just trying to survive. I don't think the zombies would win that easily, though. Even the military who went home would still be killing them. Also, we're taught to shoot 2 to the chest one to the head, so seeing the 2 to the chest not work over and over again would make everyone automatically go for just head shots.
I agree with you and i think TLOU makes a better depiction of what would actually happen. The Military wouldnt loose on the battlefield, but the collapse of goverment and society would also force the military to collapse into many different groups. And without a clear structure of command and logistics the military is just a bunch of dudes with guns (no offense).
The big problem with WD zombies is that their primary strength is in their numbers. Their big weakness is that they're slow and look dead, which means they can't blend in with regular people. We'd get wise to them pretty quickly and quarantine and mass burn any corpses to stop the spread.
@@derek96720Well I think just getting an old Hilux and putting a spike plow on it would decimate them you know what they say the day you kill a Hilux is the day you become god and I know these fleshbags will never even come close to being god
Considering that most high population counties in metro areas have around 100k-300k individuals even a 10% walker population in every county could quickly overwelm neighborhoods and local police. Crashes would block highways, causing chaos, chocking the entire interstate system very quickly. By the time the military came around they wouldve been dealing with atleast 100k walkers in every major city at minimum, with many more coming in with random people panicking, looting, shootings from paranoia, people commiting suicide at the sight of zombies eating someone or dumb people approaching a walker not understanding they were zombies not some cracked out person. I think its so interesting to imagine how it went down but the creators always fail to show just how bad the panic wouldve been aside from riots & random police interactions w walkers.
If you're saying that then you're just stupid or smth, as a Brazilian we have a much inferior army, still even here we would be capable of not fucking things over because soldiers would be deployed everywhere, there are about 6000 municipalities here in Brazil, we have 200k active soldiers and 80 million reserves, now if you do the math there would basically be an average of 100k soldiers in each city, now imagine if we're living in the USA and each person had an easily available weapon, there wouldn't be such crisis
Most of the walkers were melted into the asphalt as seen in Season 5, or were probably to burnt for their muscles to function. A good amount of the walkers probably are immobile from damages.
@@dinosaurspy7096 well they did bomb the entire city. Perhaps some walkers escaped relatively unharmed? Possibly. But for the most part it really just seems a major majority have been immobilized or are trapped probably in buildings. Which they most likely wouldn’t be able to escape from unless something alerted them.
They used Napalm which would just melt your entire body, even your bones. There is also no effective way to put out Napalm, only taking away the fuel (so let it burn) or to take away the oxygen which is pretty much impossible in the open air.
I like the way World War Z by Max Brooks handled it by explaining things like riots, panic, misinformation, separate events around the globe that happened that at first seemed unrelated and the general hubris governments and their military had thinking an abundance of technology would save them. Also, having an enemy that doesn’t need to eat, drink, sleep would absolutely change everything.
if you think that the military being stupid is anything other then "this has to happen for the story to make sense", the you are grossly misinformed upon the capabilities a modern military has. you know tanks really work, right? and apachies? and ac130s? against teeth and nails, high explosive munitions kind of win that fight every time.
@@darklord7479you gotta listen to the audiobook. The one with all the different voice actors. It adds a ton to the feel of it. The book showed most governments losing, most engagements were planned sacrifices so others could make safe zones. A main plot point was Nelson Mandela and Paul Reddick working together to come up with a plan to save South Africa. They come up with a plan to sacrifice most of the population so a few select survivors could get to easily defendable zones and start establishing self sufficient safe zones. If the military won in WWZ, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best. The Russian decimation, Ukrainians gassing their own, American forces overrun by overcompensating with technology and waste. Building a Fox hole and defensive ditches in full combat gear against zombies….German military trying to hold out but being forced to pull back to the safe zones. Leaving the people to be slaughtered.
First I would like to say I have over 30 years 20+ in the army and 10+ as a contractor. Some the biggest fails that need to be addressed is the large scale of events. If this was happening say over a few states or a region, but its happening world wide. The military would be spread thin and it would also take time to deploy. With the lack of knowledge and understanding of how or really what is happening it wouldn't take long for communications and supply lines to break down.
@@JarodFarrant It would really depend on how long the supply chain was down. As the food supply starts to go you would have to look for alternate sources.
But do you think they would fail? I don't because even with the delay in communications they'd still figure out how to actually bring the zombies down. These aren't Romeo "fast" zombies. They're slow, stupid and shambling.
The military failed for the same reason the entire population failed. Not understanding what was happening at the beginning. One soldier dies in a barracks translates into thousands of soldiers bitten. And I would imagine that was the least of the militaries problem. Once it was discovered exactly what was happening, I would imagine 80 percent of the military deserted to protect their own families. Especially with the complete breakdown of the chain of command and Government. With no one giving orders and no clear enemy to fight, why stay?
@Duke Johnson At the begining the sickness was not understood. People who were infected or bitten were put into the hospital population like any other sick person. Let's say 30 of them die in their sleep and turn over night. They in turn bite hundreds within the hospital walls which then in turn translates into a thousand people getting infected easily.
@Duke Johnson Who/how does any doctor get a chance to spread the information. When the situation has gotten to Army shooting waves of "sick" citizens, the world IS in bad way.
@@gianttacogod Young man...whatever this disease is, it attacks the brain stem the same way meningitis does. There is no operation on the planet that can cure a fungal, bacterial, or parasitic disease from entering the brain.
I see a couple of reasons. 1. Separation: if the army is too spread out, it could get overrun in small pockets at the time. And if the orders stop comming, units will cease to operate normally. 2. Supplies: if no one is making bullets and machine parts, you will eventually run out. 3. Morale: soldiers would eventally collapse due to low morale, or due to the urge to see their family (presumably causing a lot of desertion and lack of cohesion) 4. Other groups of humans want their supplies and attack them 5. Etc (many other reasons) 6. Conflicting orders: what ever is left of the chain of commands might fight over what step they should take/ struggle of who's in charge, crippeling the army's effectiveness.
They explain most of this stuff in wwz (the book) because of how military weapons are meant for similarly armed combatants, not ones unaffected by demoralization tactics, concussive damage, fire, and non-headshot wounds.
Not to mention winter in areas where temps drop below freezing. Zombies would freeze solid. Then you go around smashing in their heads. A couple of years later, zombies all gone.
I feel as if the Extinction Cycle books are better and slightly more realistic than TWD, there's 7 books, and a prequel planned, you should check them out, good read, good story, interesting Zombies, almost every moment is a cliff hanger making it so you don't want to put it down, the first book is named Extinction Horizon, it follows Captain Reed Beckham of Delta Force squad 'Ghost' and CDC Scientist Kate Lavato as they fight for survival, the military is mostly gone in the first two weeks with only around 4-6 bases left, half of the Navy, and One Fortress built in preparation named Plum Island, honestly it's better in my opinion than TWD, and I won't spoil anything else, enjoy your read.
Reklaw ___ he’s talking about the actual walking dead universe though like how did it fail in that universe, got nothing to do with the making of the show, it’s do with the actual show
I remember one forum talking about how zombie plagues spread so fast putting it as “you see your grandpa collapse, and eventually come too seemingly so out of it and confused he bites the person giving him CPR. NO ONE in real life is gonna stab grampa in the brain and isolate the bite victim. Not until its all far too late to stop”
Yeah, but Kirkman’s zombies, the infection was discovered months before it became a global pandemic. Surely it would be public knowledge after 4 months that unless you destroy the brain, the dead will rise. So for me it’s weird that in like 2 days as shown in Fear society became overrun and collapsed
In the book World War Z the military confronting the zombies was one of the most interesting chapters. Basically they wanted to put on this huge PR stunt, to show off how well they are handling the outbreak. They make this plan of bottlenecking the horde and while the media films them , they proceed to make the soldier do useless things such as dig ditches and make sandbag fortifications all while wearing the most expensive looking gear that made them half dead from the heat by the time zombies showed up. The soldier being interviewed for the story says that they made them bring all this expensive gear but severly underestimated the hordes size, so they had all these fansy suits , weapons and machinery but not enough ammo or fuel. Disaster creeps in real slow , kinda like how a frog won't know it's being cooked alive if temperature is being increaced gradually. First zombies show up and they get absolutely shreded , more come same thing happens, everyone seems in high spirits and this repeats for a while , with the military blasting them away with expensive explosives, rockets and so on . Next thing you know those fansy explosives run out and it's up to the soldiers and tanks. They fight for a while and realize that not only is the income of zombies not stopping , it's getting bigger and bigger. After more time they start running out of bullets and panic sets in, all the soldiers are conected with a modern combat system that let's them know where they are and talk freely, so panic spreads like a wild fire. All order breaks down and the fortifications gets overun , the end. The second time the military confronts the zombies in the book is long after the outbreak . They pretty much had to reform their whole way of fighting , returning to formation combat like in the civil war times. Each army had a token song they would atract the zombies with. They would form up and blast the speakers to atract every zombie for miles. The army from that particular chapter were using Iron Maiden The trooper as their song. Imagine what a cool scene that would make. The book is honestly so awsome i don't know how they managed to butcher the movie.
@@darklord7479 to be fair the chances of shrapnel actually destroying the brain outright is pretty rare. I believe that in WWZ a graze or anything like that wouldn't get a kill. Also explosives didn't really effect wwz zombies due to their blood being viscous almost like jelly and pressure didn't affect them at all. So sure explosives would kill the zombies caught in the dead middle but the others would be completely fine.
The best tactic I’ve ever seen was in a JL Bourne novel where the military dropped a giant armored speaker into a field that emitted a massive sound and drew tons of zombies to it making it easier to pick them off en masse.
I remember reading that exact thing in a book too but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. I think in the same book there was mention of maritime operations to make sure zombies wouldn't walk over the sea floor
Here's a plot hole; it's called radio. > Unit A goes out and kills walkers > "You can only kill them if you shoot them in the head" >Unit B goes out >"They can't swim." >Unit C "They can't climb and act like animals." >Unit D "Over here in Iraq the same thing is happening." Bamb, the prosperous government with the largest military in history can probably figure a plan and communicate with other countries out with that information. I can't imagine the pentagon and every army baser was over run.
If the military was defeated, it would be defeated through attrition and desertion, essentially the slow collapse of the logistics system that keeps soldiers fed, watered, and supplied with war material. I could see official resistance collapsing, but after a couple years, as the power grids in the last few safe zones built around ammunition supply points failed.
Let's not forget how stupid governments and military leaders can be. A lot of people would get arrogant, and wouldn't give the threat the caution it needs. They'd get complacent, redirect more military to their own private security, spend more money on trying to convince people it isn't a problem, then use the walkers as bioweapons against their enemies, thus creating even more of a problem.
Look that’s a good point but there was that communication the government only lasted a few days I till they broke into smaller groups so the first day they didn’t do much the next the soldiers roles in they spent the next day trying to rebuild hospital and other bits day 3 they were debating leaving day 4 told to pack up and leave day 4 night by day 4 all high ups were dead the military relies on someone telling someone what to do once the top were gone no one knew who to contact or what to do so they just gave up and looked for loved ones mostly
Im gonna be honest here, instead of a group of everyday survivors, Id much rather have a show based around a military unit thats going through the same thing. Actually no, an even better idea would be to bring one of two (I wish it was both) book series. DJ Moles The Remaining and Day by Day Armageddon by someone i dont know. Whichever one, it would be just amazing to see it. I had more interest in the one episode (when they kill all the guardsmen) about the national guards story than the Governers and his men. Hopefully im not alone on that.
Agreed. I've thought of this and think The walking Dead: stronghold would be a good title. There are several places where this can happen. I think the prime place would be VA hospital in salt lake City Utah. Combined with Mormons influence in the state, including their disaster preparedness standards, Utah would stand a chance better than any other state. Given the layout of VA hospital in salt lake it could easily be made into a stronghold as it is surrounded by iron fences. Several main factors that make me think salt lake City could successfully create a stronghold is. 1. It is the state capital in a red state and there are in a large amount of gun owners and veterans. Here we have and a large number of storehouses a food and supplies that the Mormons keep, not to mention every woman household is supposed to have a stockpile of food and other supplies. There are several military bases in this area including camp Williams which house has the 19th special forces group. The salt lake VA is one of the three finest in the country; and most bite victims would be going to the University hospital, salt lake regional hospital and the Mormon hospital as opposed to VA hospital, which does not have a full ER like regular hospitals. Yes this would make one hellacious TV series showing how veterans and the military along with the general population deal with this issue and eventually provide a provisional government. Something like this would explain what happened to Rick. Hate to admit that not all groups would adhere to their oath of service. But I think for this series we would have a group that does.
@@HongFeiBai Those are not zombies then. Infected and zombies are different things. In Walking Dead zombies are UNDEAD. This is different from other media, where zombies are just rabid humans on adrenaline with limits.
Miscommunication is probably a huge factor, they tried to keep it under the rug as much as possible, they were shooting walkers in the streets in front of civilians who thought they were sick and didn't tell them shit when they were in the safe zones
I would really hope so, I do not doubt the type of training soldiers receive in the military. Unfortunately there are some, not all, idiots that are high in command within the military 🙂✌🏼
Sentinel Randy the government already has and actual protocol set up for a zombie apocalypse if I remember correctly. But even then, it’s so main stream that it’ll probably be contained without the military. Lol
@@MrRager-mh5gf yes I did here about that, good to know something is in place at least. And I would hope so, but some people would act completely stupid and do stupid shit in moments like this 👍🏼👏🏼✌🏼
The western military hasn’t been able to contain and defeat insurgent fighters in Afghanistan so don’t be so sure. All it takes is a few soldiers or pilots to turn and it would escalate
Yeah Ik this is a joke but the military's had other places to be or to protect because the army isn't as big to protect a whole city/town by themselves
The thing is, zombie fiction does not exist in the TWD universe, so people would have no idea what to do, like, not all diseases cause people to start eating others. Plus, only headshots kill them, and we see there were a lot of people who didn't figure it out even later in that series. Plus, people who died without getting bit still turned, which would further spread the disease.
_"Only headshots kill them."_ Wrong. Anything that causes the destruction of the brain can kill them. Aircraft bombs and any form of high explosive with a sufficient yield will literally crush the brain inside the skull due to blast overpressure. This whole idea of cannons, mortars, bombs, tanks, etc being useless because "it's not designed to fight zombies" is just writers convenience.
They failed because someone replaced all the military's ammunition with blanks. I've only watched bits and pieces of this show and it's always annoyed me how you can see one of these soldiers spraying and m249 into a crowd of zombies and only see like... 1 zombie fall over every 5 seconds. Where are the bullets going? Each one would shred like 7 of those rotting corpses a piece... The military failed because of plot armor. Realistically the slow walking undead wouldn't stand a chance against the military.
Well true but false, because if anyone randomly dies they can turn so that makes most of the hospitals dangerous and the poor areas of a big city, a place like New York might get over run easily. And getting the military there quickly will take time
@@nono-cz8ki but then you have the problem of zombies getting caught in the treads and clogging things up. World War Z (the book) outlines how things could realistically spiral out of control. Mismanagement, poor, bordering on negligent thinking. Countless problems caused by higher ups and just overall people being people. You can have all the things in place to handle a problem, it just comes down to actually doing it. And then there's training, the military is trained to shoot center mass, not for the head, yeah sure, you could shred them with a saw or a .50, but that doesn't matter if you don't destroy the brain. We can all say that there's no way that the military would fail, but there's multiple problems that come with zombies
@@nono-cz8ki false still some countries will use money till the end paper money would be replaced with resources like food water building materials people someone poorly managing those kind of resources would eventually Doom military and survivors
Having anyone who dies from a non brain injury reanimate, adds a whole new level of complexity. I would be nervous sleeping around a bunch of seniors knowing one of them could have a heart attack in their sleep.
thats the thing and imo the only reason the military lost. they were probably taking in survivors too and all it takes is 1 person to lie about a scratch
@@lukasdoofus2592 still does not make sense its plot armor end of story, they would figure it out and they have time for that, it is just a mess of logic failures for plot convinience, if you can not see it like this then your extraverted intuition for why things would work in real life are not up there buddy
@@masticloxpoker1006 we still have two continents in the throes of an 18 month old cold virus pandemic, largely because we can’t agree on the basic facts of the virus, especially not in relation to wealth and civil rights. This TWD virus would have so undermined the worlds basic opinions on healthcare, personal rights, and morality, that no technology could have prevailed.
@@masticloxpoker1006 the US president will have to go Stalin on all US citizens If all agencies like police and hospitals fails and dies, Army will have to be evacuating millions of people, moving safe zones during zombie horde cause for some reason military can't build or modify their fortifications for the horde. That's a lot of manpower and logistics..they will hope central command will never go down What if they can't recall all soldiers overseas cause they fought and died there too... Or the crew in a ship/planes turned zombie while they're going home
I had always assumed that when the virus first hit that it was much stronger, air born , so a mass of the population turned (w/o even being bitten) too quickly for large scale organization to hold and counter attack. That's why everyone alive has the virus. Everyone that didn't just get a fever and die and turn immediately are the ones we follow in the show dealing with the aftermath.
I think the episode in Season 7 where Rick and Michonne find the abandoned carnival as well as what the Governor did tell us mostly what else caused the Military to fall. People needed guns and supplies, and the Military was a good source for that. I'm pretty sure in the episode with Rick and Michonne there were both dead soldiers and dead civilians/survivors, implying they were either fighting each other or fighting someone else.
Another reason is possibly the military had reasons for securing zones, but when faced with dozens of families with children desperate for help, knowing that they are not just their fellow man, but fellow Americans, if they had orders to reject survivors entering, it only takes a few sympathetic soldiers refusing those orders as unethical to cause a breakdown of orders or system. If they didn’t then they become bogged down with protecting civilians who are possibly at risk or bitten and next thing you know, the walkers appear from the inside or having to stand their ground against a horde to protect slow civilians from escaping.
I think the speed at which the outbreak spread combined with the complete chaos that unfolded from not knowing what they were dealing with overwhelmed almost every element of the state. The dead in military hospitals rising up and attacking probably caused massive casualties in secure areas. Soldiers who died in the field would have gotten back up in full gear making them harder to shoot. I think this would likely happen in real life too. The dead don't rise, it isn't something anyone is actually prepared for. Doesn't matter how good the army is, in those first days cops, paramedics, doctors, the national guard and firefighters will almost certainly be the big casualties as they try to contain an unbelievable and overwhelming event
I think they didn’t fail but achieved their mission to get everyone of value out of harms way and now they are in a secure place. They didn’t want to stop the outbreak bc they know everyone has it but to rebuild some where and then over time deal with it
Interesting but I still think this was just the creater knowing nothing about the army an AC-130 gunship would level anything highrise building infested with zombies fire an AC130 shot and level the building if the army was losing that many people in the city they would send the AC 130 in to level it
hmmm, this is really interesting but I am gonna say this with my dad working the tank regiment that the soldiers who are working in tanks would not turn or die for a few weeks. Yes, they will need fuel and supplies but a tank is an armoured box which is practical and hard to destroy without the right equipment. the only reason tank crews could need to come out is for fuel supplies and food/water and then they can move to a safe location to join up with other survivors. It also makes no sense why the tank crew have turned in the first series as they would be isolated and are strictly told to never exit the tank in combat situations unless the tank is hit and tanking heavy fire
The tank crew in season 1 could have died in the tank from thirst or anything else, surrounded by zombies and unable to get out.. If you die you become a zombie. They didnt need to get bitten or anything.
As Robert Kirkman said, there is no pop-culture idea of a zombie in TWD universe. So essentially, they had the element of surprise. “Going for the head” is something we’d all do, but in their world, they only learn that through experience. So police officers who are trained to go for the chest, will fail, and then be shocked and surprised and overrun.
1. No matter how you die, Suicide, Bombings, shootings, etc. You’ll still turn. 2. In TWD, at this point, it isn’t really the Walkers you got to worry about, it’s the people, because people lost their minds, Humanity is a danger to Humanity
In operation cobalt the military was ordered to evac so i think their is a large group of government and military somewhere and i would to like to see a spinoff about military side of the apocalypse
I think it would be a good idea to do a spinoff of how the outbreak happened in a different country like Brazil, or Israel, or Ukraine or something like that... also being on an island like Guam or hawaii,or go somewhere in Oceania, I think that's a good idea
I believe that the military in some way shape or form is still alive, but not helping anyone and holing up in a fort knowing how the walkers work and are really powerful just not forgiving or helpful and large as the used to be. Maybe the military is the CRM?
I liked the submarine spin off they did, that helped show the break down of communication. One person died, three people bit, then they bite others, before you figure out a head shot puts them down and they’re not the person they were most everyone is dead or bitten
They failed because lore,one well placed GPM (general propose machine gun)Could destroy extreme sized hordes, imagine a Striker apc with a MK19 belt fed granade launcher
It’s Stryker and no one calls anything a general purpose machine gun. Also you are some obsessed kid that thinks using unnecessary false nomenclature will make you seem cool
I served in the irish Defense force i fell it depends on the nation Ireland has less soldiers than the US but is more focus on defense we even trained for warfare with zombies every halloween we chose a virus from one movie, and trained to respond to each type of zombies
The only acceptable explanation as to why walker-type zombies took over is the "we pretended it wasn't happening and sold placebos because the economy 😢" from WWZ (the book ofc)
Setting up perimeter defenses is a common mindset. These guys had what, two lookouts in an exposed tower platform? We would place them on buildings, binoculars and silenced rifles for picking off and scouting enemy movements and positions. Our guns rarely hit the fences like that, and we select our targets. Spraying is a waste of bullets unless you are far enough away yet near enough to shoot many enemies in their backsides without fear of bullet deflection or them turning around on you. A standard soldier has many rounds of ammunition carried for their rifle and sidearm. Two grenades a soldier, a short-range receiver and squad based tactics would have won the day. Police forces needed to deploy armored police in armored vehicles while staying in cover, not advancing on civilians with a simple club/baton and riot shield. These batons need at least a blade on the end for slicing and stabbing. Flamethrowers and napalm should be allowed in these circumstances as an exception to the war accords for crowd control of infected and dead areas. Steel gateways with bard wire and machinegun posts as well as a few heavily armed guards in front to secure any uninfected citizens seeking shelter. Lights are to be shined at least for a half mile ahead of the pathway, with a patrol of at least two squads always rounding the perimeters, both outside and inside. Many tactics could be used here for this type of situation. Parks and stadiums, small residential divisions with stone or brick walls and villages could be used very effectively for a limited amount of time before moving towards a new locale.
@@alreadyblack3341 Well, when you're trying to go for a headshot, full-auto guns aren't effective. Snipers and/or semi-auto rifles work best, so you can control your shots.
Let’s be real here, If they were actually trained specialist with great accuracy and precision, Well equipped with more grenades and explosives, Actually shooting zombies in the head and not a fence, More well equipped vehicles, better defenses then a guard tower with a weak fence. Actually you know what, the military has been nerfed 9 times in zombie movies. Writers treat them as NPC, not a side character. And you all know npc in video game, they do 1 damage. and wait for you to do the rest.
Most of the military action we saw in the TWD was either splinter groups or temporary outposts. There was never a scene in TWD that involves a "proper" military base.
Every zombie movie has "Please stay in your homes" requests everywhere....if everyone did that, there would be a small manageable few groups of zombies to take care of instead of hoards of cities.
The problem is, in a situation like that most people think it's local. Your city / country is being attacked or whatever. The basic instinct is to get the fuck out of there as soon as possible. There might be a small chance that it was local. But if not, it's nothing worse and now you have to deal with it.
Well, if the Covid pandemic taught us anything it is that people do not comply. Even though it is in their best interest. The spread of social media platforms and self entitlement has made things far worse.
@@derekmensch3601 First off, I am sure a double tap does not mean one to the heart and one to the head -- double taps are meant to maximize trauma in the chest cavities of living human targets. I'm sure it has changed. I am also a US Marine. In 2007 we were told the preference for the third shot goes to the head, but in the fleet they lightened up and said we could also try the pelvis. You also have to remember that M855 green tips are only so effective against thin, emaciated, suicidal targets. I think training emphasizes fighting conventional forces again now.
@@enzlem408 ah right, such a shame because the way he shot episodes, it would have been amazing! I still hope that 1 day his Shane opening scene from s2 e1 will come out one day!
Yeah he wanted to follow the story of the soldier-Zombie Rick met in the tank to tell the story of how the military fell through his eyes. A real Shame.
I remember one strat on a Korean show, they equiped drone with speakers, the drones make groups of zombies and they used ballistic missiles. After what the other surviving zombies on buildings and houses goes on the explosion sites, and the korean army restart the process with more materiel, to the point that the city have been cleared, but because it's a zombie show it start in other cities nearby
I almost took it out because I knew viewers would say this because I said it as I made it haha - but it just means they can go almost forever without eating......unlike a soldier.....Thanks for watching!
I was in the army/ng for a hot minute and my experience is that there’s a looooot of incompetent leaders in high ranks of the military and government. There’s a decent chance that in this specific scenario the walkers could get the upper hand, that all said I also think that once people started making the connection that the head or full corporal destruction was the way to go, things would turn around pretty fast or at least stablise the situation in hold outs. The military also knew in FTWD that reanimating happens regardless of cause of death so in these holdouts and field hospitals strict protocols would be put in place either on a military wide scale or by individual units commanders on the advice of the chief doctors. I imagine the seriously sick and injured may well be seen as liabilities as opposed to people to save, sadly. So while I have poor confidence in the leadership of our military (particularly in the combat mainline elements of the marines and army), I do think they would’ve adapted fairly quickly and with some high degree of effectiveness because at least the zombies are incapable of strategising and organising. The leadership would’ve been purged by means of natural selection and those who were capable of dealing with the crisis would have eventually risen to positions of command by default. I think there’d still be a lot of casualties that could be avoided but because we have officers and NCOs that care more about police calling parking lots, hazing new recruits, and being politically correct in the press (I’m relatively socially liberal don’t @ me) but eventually those people would die bc of their stupidity, run away, or be removed by their betters or by troops and civilians who are sick of being lead to destruction.
That's why you dont trust the Army to do the Marines job lol jokes Where were the Marines anyway... the government had to have planned it all along to trim the populace, and took all the Marines to be their security force. Lmao
Not to mention that the CDC said it was airborne and everyone has it... even if the military had been able to kill all the zombies survivors still would have turned after dying anyway 🥺
@@youtubernob8238 you would have had to have known to wear a gas mask before the missles or whatever carried it had gone off. And fpr who knpws how long after
Your base has 1 million rounds the city next to it has 3 million people you might make it if none of you comrades get nicked or die ruining your formations and moral wake up in the night to Bob eating Dave's face and so on.
@@Barskor1 the US military has thousands of tanks, hellis and attack planes ... it would be pretty easy to maintain resources coming considering the zombies are complete trash. Give me a break, a single army of marines would stop the outbreak.
@@afonsosantos7486 Bob the supply guy has a bad heart but he stays on the job because his nation needs him but he has a heart attack and dies now the warehouse fuel depot and what not is a swarm of zombies and what are you going to do shoot tank shells and missiles in? By by supplies in a big ol fireball.
@@afonsosantos7486 Imagine if your governments enemy had mind control and anyone of the most loyal dedicated members could be turned at any time and you might get a clue.
@@Barskor1 The problem with this is that. You wouldn't even need much but a loud speaker and a formation of tanks. They would easily be able to just drive over thousands of zombies. And people with serve health issues would more then likely be put on a watch list. Also...must military bases aren't in gated areas. They tend to be very spread out and not clustered. Only bases in hostile countries are walled up.
The same reason France fell last, because they were unprepared for a threat that most people would see as ridiculous before the apocalypse. As soon as it was airborne the military had lost.
@@501ststormtrooper9 Think stormtrooper think! Why would the virus else collapse the governments of the world. It was all planned by emperor Cyber Hitler.
Btw, every base is going to have every asset it needs. There’s no bases filled with just mechanics. There’s no bases with just medics. Every base has everything it needs. Sure some may be more focused on aircraft. Some may be more focused on drones, but they’ll all have enough of everything to support the base.
Guess you haven't done any time in uniform saying such. Ft Sam Houston for instance is the Army's chief medical post, responsible for training of medical personnel. It's not a post w/much in the way of combat arms troops actually assigned and little reason to have much beyond some small arms/limited ammo for weapons quals for some of the cadre/MPs/admin people. Not sure if Ft Sam supports any Guard units which would change ammunition/supply asset amounts so there is THAT factor which could change things Most AF bases have similar setups, Navy maybe depends on if they have many Marines or say Seebees (construction units)...
The biggest problem is that anybody who dies for whatever reason becomes a zombie. It only takes one mistake and the whole settlement will be taken over from within
4:40 “she’s so drunk”, remember in Shawn of the Dead - when they first met a zombie they thought she was drunk.No one would think the zombies were anything but sick, at least at first. For the first few weeks I’d have to think soldiers would still have a hard time mowing down crowds of unarmed people even if they were violent
An m1 Abraham’s tank is literally immune to zombies. It’s air tight covered in armor. Because of the sheer amount of grip and horse power it could easily run over a hoard of zombies before having to refuel, not to mention the gun.
Unless someone dies in the tank? And when everyone goes into hiding with nana, and she wakes up and starts biting the kids, does the tank just blow up the whole house? How long does that work? What if someone in the military gets a staph infection? Do you treat him, or kill him on the spot? What’s the average age and health of a General?
@@lovejoy1311 nobody is just gonna spontaneously die in a tank, and I’m not saying that it would prevent the virus I’m saying that I would significantly reduce the amount of zombies
@@XShrimpGodx maybe? But more troops have died by accident, suicide, substance abuse on US soil than in any modern war. It’s worth noting that as you push tanks thru residential neighborhoods, every friendly fire death results in new zombies. That sounds like a nightmare for some kid with a helmet.
The military knew to shoot the infected in the head because when Shane was at the hospital you saw a soldier pull his pistol and go around shooting the people they already shot in the head. So they knew to shoot the head and they also could have known that when you die you come back.
One of the theories of the disease is it was developed to deal with battle field trauma or a longevity booster that had horrible consequences that keeps the subject alive to be surgically repaired and or regenerated IF they get treatment and IV administered high levels of nourishment. So they are being maintained by the disease and slowly rotting depending on how much they eat.
Years. Within 3-5 years, unless they are being sustained by a third party/substance, will be dead and shape the rebuilding of society (if that even starts) I don’t watch this show but using fairly basic science/biology and common sense you can determine what is and isn’t possible, what should and shouldn’t do, etc.
Well based on how long they lasted and the fact they have no issues if missing their innards magic pixie dust makes more sense as to how they remain moving as long as they do
Its some kind of thing with the virus... keep in mind, its a corpse... a reanimated corpse... but still a corpse... you see animal corpses disintegrating on the highway all the time... exposed to the elements non-stop definitely causes tissue to disintegrate. Skin, muscle, tendons, etc.. the point im getting at is the zombies are shambling because their bodies(the muscle, tissue, etc) their deteriorating. Which should also be applying to jaw bones and the muscles needed for biting...but i digress A corpse, exposed to the elements, without means of restoring itself would still decay to nothingness within a months time(3-4 weeks). HOWEVER. The zombie lore has some general unwritten protection against exposure to the elements. Zombie apocalypse wouldnt be dramatic if it all can blow over in about a month though, eh?
Mass panic, rapid outbreaks, outbreaks from within, lack of knowledge, ego, the fact that they didn’t know how many survivors were still in areas before they torched places (which may not stop orders even). We still don’t know a lot about how this happened and how rapid and widespread it was.
I was in the military for 10 yrs, based on that and what I’ve seen in the show (stopped around S5) there is no way in hell the entire military collapses. I’d honestly be surprised if more than 20% would have been killed, and the majority of that would be in the initial confusion of Zombies being a thing (assuming zombies had never been in pop culture)
**they got guns, grenade, tanks, rocket launcher, helicopter with mini-gun** How weak, and slow are those military when zombies got enough time to take them down?
You have to consider logistics for that...a soldier can only carry a few ammunitions.. Many ex army youtuber keeps reminding people of that when they react to fps games But they did nerf the vehicles.. Whether be tank or humvees and so on... Can't say bombing will be an option to every state...especially in every city ..they would be destroying the a lot more than just buildings
They fail cuz of plot. I mean if you look at the walkers in TWD, it would look like the "apocalypse" would end itself in a month or 2 due to the walkers rotting.
What I've gathered is that fresh walkers are more aggressive and more nimble than the rotten walkers that seem to make up the majority of what the various crews of the show have to face later on. On top of that, the military didn't initially understand that they had to shoot them in the head and they used loud weapons. Also, gathering massive numbers of people in hopes of curing them or just to control their movements in the initial phases helped form massive herds that have been an endless source of fear throughout the show. Also, they didn't know that everyone was infected, meaning that they could easily get jumped by the walkers after losing someone. Between that and the fact that civilization just collapses if the wrong people die in a short period of time, that would've broken the army's morale.
Fun little fact about military conduct to consider: headshots are frowned upon, due to many reasons such as it being difficult to ID a body with no head/disfigured face, low likelihood of a successful hit etc. Even snipers are told to avoid it where possible. Standard training teaches to aim for center mass. Now consider zombie biology and what is required to fully kill one... Im inclined to think that this indoctrinated training and mantality betrayed them.
Well at that point screw the foot solders send in the heavy artillery to where no matter where you hit them they are in pieces after all the old Hilux has overthrown whole governments it will massacre a hoard an AC-130 hey wait these used to be zombies tank unless it breaks down you are fine and if it does tanks usually travel 4 at a time so you have 3 more killing the zombies
I can see the US military having trouble with 28 Days Later style infected/zombies, but there’s NO way the military fails against TWD zombies that can’t keep up with a senior citizen using a walker.
Now I'm trying to picture my grandma taunting zombies while running with her walker. 😂
Truth be told tho, even than TWD zombie are faster than her rn, but she just had knee surgery a month ago so
There's soo many zombies that there's no end to it. The military could fire a bullet every second of every day for an entire year, and if every one of those bullets killed a zombie, you will have only killed 31 million zombies. But you're not going to kill zombies that fast at a regular rate. Not even close. I'd imagine there are pockets of military alive though, even if they are just doing nothing but sitting at their bases. Aircraft carriers would definitely be the most self sustaining places, able to have power, fresh water, all the amenities, aircraft to scavenge. But infections could spread there too.
The problem with twd is that no matter how you die you make more of them. Natural causes, wars, suicide, etc would just make millions or thousands of walkers worldwide. The military can't prevent that.
@@peoplez129 you seem to be ignoring the prospect of bombs, miniguns, helicopters, jets, and tanks. The military could kill walkers one at a time, if they were stupid. Though since they travel in herds, and get clumped up very easily, wouldn't be too hard to bomb them, throw grenades at them, shoot mortars, light them on fire... The military really just has so many options when it comes to this, I dont see the walkers standing a chance in the long run. The military would only get better at dealing with them as time went on. Also fun fact: There actually is a defense plan in case of a zombie apocalypse, wild but look it up.
@@what.6099 The point is, it's a numbers game. Even if a tank wipes out 100 zombies in one blast....if more than 100 seconds passes before they get to kill another zombie, then they are behind that 1 a second figure, which I already pointed out that after, would only equal 30 million zombies. Of course, it won't happen that on the clock, BUT the point is, if the entire military can't kill at least 1 zombie a second on average, perpetually, day and night, for several years straight, then it's going to take even longer than that. That's the problem. Those sheer numbers of zombies to kill in a full blown zombie apocalypse, takes a very long time.
The military failed because if they didn’t, then there wouldn’t be a show
Lol
Good point
How to create a zombie movie:
-make the military fail a long range shooting situation against some slow zombies that just need to get close
-make some characters be able to survive a Horde of zombies that the military could not
-police and swat get easily killed by very slow zombies
Yes
I mean they had no idea what to do in a universe with no zombie lore
You can clearly see why it failed at 1:45. They didn't have magazines in their carbines.
Lol
Thats par for the course when I was in. Probably no ammo because someone forgot to sign for it. Bayonets were still in the arms room because pointy things are dangerous as well.
Lmao
Magazines nerf nerd
Decent answer..
I like how the most comedic zombie movie "shaun of the dead" is the one with the most realistic outcome: the military contains the outbreak at the end
It really depends on the zombie types.
Resident Evil bio weapons? We are screwed. Some of them can survive about anything but a direct nuke to the face.
Dying Light? We are screwed once volatiles evolve to ignore UV light.
Walking Dead? It will be a mess, since every dead person becomes a zombie, but it will be bearable.
Etc.
It is a balance of how tough/contagious/fast/intelligent zombies are. You get at least 2-3 of these at once and we are nothing but doomed
Ironically, likely Dawn of The Dead too since everyone is chilling outside the mall and I think I remember a bonus footage said “few months later, the infection finally stop and the army find some tape”
World war z book is still the best description of a zombie apocalypse I’ve ever seen. Makes it all feel very realistic.
yeah i was thinking of shaun of the dead when i saw walking dead
theres also another movie with slow zombie and they succeed to contain them at the end
The only scary part of it is just how the virus works in walking dead but hey we survive covid and even though covid is real, we could adapt to it. Like in walking dead they could just let community know if someone is dying and stuff. Heck in shaun, zombies were made to be entertain materials in TV
@kingol4801 Yeah with Resident Evil. Zombies are only the tip of the iceberg lol
The military failed because walkers have the best armor, plot armor.
MRGamers CJX most pilots could be dead also aircraft need a lot of care so that means ground crew for refuelling repairing etc in an apocalyptic world there’s deffo not gonna be a lot of available ground crew meaning no air support
because plot armor duh
@@damarriley3806 Again bad writing so every placed was over whelmed at once. All at a same time no. Just no. Stop defending.
Michael Garcia I’m not writing I’m just looking at it realistically ik it’s bad writting
Michael Garcia defending*
They failed because they went to the Stormtrooper Academy Of Aiming.
Also they are basically shooting blanks. Look at that footage from FTWD where bullets are stopped by a fence, for goodness sake.
"Okay so i want you to completely miss the target, dont try to hit it"
They did shoot like Stormtroopers
Cinema sins
Yup
And then what was left of the United States military formed the Brotherhood of Steel- wait wrong story
Ha... fallout lore, it is great
Almost makes ya wish for a nuclear winter
And the government formed the enclave the most badass guys you'll ever find
Pretty sure what was left of the US military was the enclave. The Brotherhood of Steel was formed in one base
@@Shadow-bs1bg they both come from the military
I remember that the military in World War Z was initially overrun, but not to the point where they disbanded and the country fell apart. They retreated back across the Rocky Mountains, since mountains and other natural barriers are very effective at containing zombies (for instance, zombies can't cross mountains, because being dead means they have no body heat and will therefore freeze completely solid when trying to cross through the colder parts.) They eventually regrouped and started moving east to reclaim territory, and after training and equipping to fight zombies, the hardest things they found to deal with were survivor strongholds, which they would demand rejoin them and the government or else be considered secessionists whom they would take by force, and what they called "LaMOEs", of Lame-o's, which stood for "Last Man On Earth." Basically survivalists who had figured the world was over and the United States didn't exist as an entity anymore, and who were almost universally hostile to armed humans by that point. They had soldiers equipped and trained for "classic" human vs human combat to deal with those groups.
Honestly, I would be a secessionist if a zombie apocalypse would happen
That's the problem with this. Sure, people die all the time. That, paired with bites, chaos, riots, looting, violence, etc would have had an initial oh crap. Like the only way this could happen were every SOP, General Order, Special Order, and plan were suspended in the DoD. Our government might be idiots, but the military operates on a whole different level. Hell, today, we literally have plans on how to deal with like six different kinds of zombies. lol
@@ProlMLGJoeI mean initially I get it, but if the government came back and was winning why would you remain one?
@@thatkidfromsubway3702 Answer: if the government and system was corrupt and rotten even before the outbreak that's even more of a reason to survive.
I imagine some form of revolutions will happen during a zombie outbreak, including social and cultural ones. I'm looking forward to that.
@ProlMLGJoe until you need an essential service you can't get or a stronger group/person comes and rolls you.
If Rick and the gang can survive so long on so little food, i'm sure an army would be fine, especially considering that the only threat in the walking dead is other people, you can simply push past zombies, and a heard is not even a threat to a Tank, the most basic of equipment.
Those guys didn't go all out war with the zombies. Most of the time they avoided any contact with them.
The armies early on treated the zombies like how they treat riots.
And you MIGHT think tanks are the answer, but when you're facing thousands of living corpses mixed in with thousands of confused and angry citizens, in an URBAN AREA, you don't just bomb the place to oblivion. That's where operation cobalt came in.
@@zebimicio5204 but the whole world military failed
You've said it yourself, it was somewhat ease for Rick and the gang to salvage resources and rations because that this is what they are a small gang...compare Rick's group needs with the needs of a military in the hundreds of thousands
Not even a threat? Have u nort seen that one tank with the undead operator inside it? (Where Glenn helps rick)
@@phantomviper8297 randomly dead inside a tank
as somebody in the military, he has some points. Military in the US, is about 1% of the population. Not understanding whats going on and wasting resources would happen in the first 2 maybe 3. Worry for family is bound to happen. However, one thing the Military dose is communicate very well, and hurry up and waits. While the police would get over run, a fully equipped task force could take out a zombie horde. It wouldn't take long at all to figure out to aim for the head. Hell, the military today shoots differently then spaying and praying. We'd find out rather quickly where to shoot. Heavy munitions would only be used at first against attacking hoards on bases. Till we fully understood what was going on. After that, things would be mop up. It wouldn't take a ton of time to figure out noise drew them in. People trapped behind infested lines, and we'd listen to civilian encounters leaning everything possible about this threat as quickly as possible.
I'd like to mention that the Government has already thought of how to handle this. Government loves control. I'm sure that if a zombie outbreak happened, the Government would be fine.
But you're assuming that the military is unaffected, which it wouldn't be. The military would, initially, be in something of a state of chaos as people on the bases all over the country would fall sick, die, and turn so then the military would spend time trying get the bases back under control. Then, they're going to be busy accessing how bad things are, how many people they've lost, who they've lost and trying to reorganize the chain of command to fill in the gaps left by dead COs. After that, they're going not just going to rush out and start taking on walkers, not without at least an outline of a plan and taking time to gather all the resources they need. Lastly, if the outbreak occured on a weekend or a holiday then there's going to be even more time lost as units, once they get the word, scramble to try round up all of their troops, many of whom might be in town and caught in the madness there and unable to get back to base. It's not like all military personnel are on duty 24/7 or all live on base, ready to go at a moment's notice.
@@Riceball01 You're correct, but the problem always comes back to 'how did we end up here'? That is where all zombie stories fall apart. It would be impossible for an anomaly, such as the zombie virus, to go undetected long enough to reach the critical mass needed to create a horde. All levels of government and health research would be all over it like a fat kid on a candy bar. They'd know everything they'd need to know, i.e. how to kill them, before the zeds ever reached unmanageable numbers.
On the other hand, if the virus would happen to achieve critical mass and creating vast hordes that could over run the military, the military would simply withdraw from the area and consolidate its resources. At no point would the military be put into a situation where they would be caught out and surrounded. That almost never happens in war, against human militaries, so it sure as hell isn't going to happen against mindless drones.
If the forces know what they're dealing with they could stand a chance. But would anyone even believe there's a zombie apocalypse? And by the time they did they'd just nuke the cities infected if it wasn't in numerous places at once. But they'd sooner nuke a city than waste infantry. It's be realistic to expect a nuke occurring if it meant containment.
Cool, where were you deployed
Some military planners actually wrote a counter zombie plan. It's all in fun but reads just like a real-world US military plan Called CONPLAN 8888. This fictitious plan was created by junior military officers undergoing training related to the Department of Defense’s Joint Operational Planning and Execution System (JOPES), the formalized process by which the Department conducts all contingency planning and execution. In an effort to learn the JOPES process, and to do so in a more interesting way, the students were assigned this completely fictitious scenario and directed to use JOPES to develop a written contingency plan. Using this fictitious scenario avoided concerns over the use of classified information, it resolved sensitivity to using real-world nations or scenarios, and it better engaged the students. www.dmt-nexus.me/users/cosmicspore/Zombie.pdf
I think the biggest reason is the fact that any death makes a zombie, not just bites
Joku Äijä the virus isn’t what kills them because every person is infected with it . death triggers it . as it showed in a flashback of shane in the hospital they had to kill a lot of people for people to turn into walkers
@@milkghost4 Yes, but in the beginning people died because they were to weak to fight against the virus.
Isn’t that just in the telltale walking dead?
Would of been nice to hear about a “1 first wave” of virus that caused the flu (like in season 2) and was a super killer and then the 2nd wave is the wave that “activated” the virus in anyone who died.
is a fiction series
This is why I appreciate Shawn of The Dead’s ending
The military literally stopped the entire outbreak in just a day LOL
and that movie was meant to be a comedy
Yeah lmao I loved Shawn Of The Dead
You can be both smart and comedy.
You can try to be serious as death but if you are dumb you'll end up with slow zombies eating soldiers with ARs, machine guns, artillery, etc.
@ImperativeGames soldier wouldn't have an AR lol but I get your meaning. M16 or M4 is what they usually carry
True, I love fiction with the premise of crack taken seriously, meaning they have a absurd premise but treat it with thought and seriousness, it tends to be funny and smart.
Slow zombies also do not seem that scary to me, a threat that my grandmom can outrun is kind of overwhelming. Than again slow is relative and slow zombies tend to have a burst of speed, but none the less something that relays on numbers to be a threat needs to answer why they had numbers in the first place.
@@ImperativeGames
@@BloodyKnives66 By ARs I mean Automatic Rifles. In fact, any rifle will do. Poorest African nation with WWI era rifles can deal with slow zombies.
We can’t forget that the walkers were way stronger in season one. You can see Rick and Glenn running from walkers and you can see walkers climbing and sprinting to them
Probably because they were still "fresh", compared to most zombies at the later seasons.
Well it does happen in fear the walking dead
That was because one of the directors wanted intelligent zombies but he got fired after season 1
You also see them picking up teddy bears,opening doors, and coming back to familiar spots. They climbed fences used tools and were selective eaters. Some even moved with ninja like stealthness. In the end the walkers temperment had the most inconsistencies. That's why they overcame the military.
Thats not doin shit to a tank tho
The National Guard in Fear the Walking Dead shoots walkers like Storm Troopers. Second, the director doesn't know shit about real military tactics.
Matthew Lo Lol no.. the guard were rookies. Support personnel and whatnot
@@ruskru5318 don't matter
But It does.
Except thats not the California Guard in FTWD, its 10th Mountain Infantry Division. 10th Mountain is a light infantry brigade out of New York. Did you know that you can google arm patches on soldiers and see their units?
Yeah zombies would never stand a chance
Military weld trained,high experience and best weapons: taken out
Survivers: half experience, low weapons but yet they managed to survive
Bad writing lol
Conplan 8888
Which is understandable in TWD universe, IRL the National Guard would've wiped them out, in TWD the military was more offensive than survivors which are defensive, causing them to break apart easily.
Military got infected and most of soldiers died to the virus, easy solution.
The military was well trained. Well trained to deal with combat. Not killing their friends. Well trained to be in a war zone. Not have their family in iheadsets. Very well trained to hit center mass. Trained to not go for headshots.
I always just assumed the main reason was the "everyone is infected" thing. Because with looting, rioting, etc. All it takes for one town to be lost is a breakdown in supply lines due to humans. If the trucks with food, water & ammo stop coming, good luck convincing soldiers to stay on their posts when they are unsure of their families' safety.
Do they have a better shot at saving/protecting their families alone or with their team? You wouldn't have large numbers of AWOL soldiers for this reason alone. The same logic applies to when countries attack countries. Soldiers in poland still showed up and fought Hitler even when their families were in danger. Why? The army was their best chance to save the people they loved. The army would be setting up safe zones. AWOL soldiers would likely be barred from entry. Their families too.
The thing that made the zombie apocalypse worse in the world of TWD was that everybody who died was turning. Not just who was bitten. That’s why it went so bad so fast. Just think about how many thousands of people worldwide die every day from normal means.
That’s why you burn the body into ashes instead of just bury the whole body in one piece, stupid culture
Crazy how that wasn’t even mentioned in the video. That’s really the one and only reason shit went south like it did.
Even if that’s so it’d take at the absolute most a few days for people to realized that bodies need to be burned after death like they do in game of thrones. There’s simply no realistic reason that it should’ve gotten that bad in TWD universe
It’s something like 150000 a day globally, likely much more if the disease itself causes death in a certain portion of the population. And then MUCH more when the deaths cause healthcare centers to fall, and healthcare to be abandoned when we realize that death results in this process. People would isolate when ill, for fear of being killed by a terrified populace. People don’t get how fast death rates would spike in that scenario, and create an ever ramping increase in walkers. And ALL in civilian population centers.
according to znation people die every 20 seconds from doing nothing or getting shot in the hand
They failed because nobody in the show can detect a slow growling zombie walking towards them that’s why
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Goddamn Carl, lol.
Those mother fuckers can fast travel, I'm sure of it lol
@@LeCesne-kd9kn Skyrim/Fallout/any large open-world game, ftw
Military: has guns,choppers,tanks, etc... But fails...
Trained survivors: only needs homemade bow, crossbow, knife, and sword. Successfully survived in the Apocalypse...
Me: *WuT??*
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ROYAL NAVY
Guns choppers tanks=loud+more walkers
Bow crossbow knife sword=silent+less walkers
Military: has guns,choppers,tanks, ect... so what? Military would fail anyways. Becuase of man major problem. I hope you smart and can figure it out. I will give a hint "civilian economy".
Not to mention the Soldiers are way better trained than those survivers
But it’s harder for a zombie/horde to find you when you’re alone or in a small group, rather than a loud big squad of military personnel. (Although I still think the military would have a good chance of survival)
ROYAL NAVY Well if they Get more smarter I FUCKING WILL TELL THEM WHEN IT CAME IRL
I was active duty in the Marines for 4 years. I can 100% see how the military could get overwhelmed. First off, we're not machines. If something like this happened, half the military would go take care of their families first, especially if the city is collapsing. Also, without command structure, the military would splinter into groups of rogue individuals just trying to survive. I don't think the zombies would win that easily, though. Even the military who went home would still be killing them. Also, we're taught to shoot 2 to the chest one to the head, so seeing the 2 to the chest not work over and over again would make everyone automatically go for just head shots.
I agree with you and i think TLOU makes a better depiction of what would actually happen. The Military wouldnt loose on the battlefield, but the collapse of goverment and society would also force the military to collapse into many different groups. And without a clear structure of command and logistics the military is just a bunch of dudes with guns (no offense).
The big problem with WD zombies is that their primary strength is in their numbers. Their big weakness is that they're slow and look dead, which means they can't blend in with regular people. We'd get wise to them pretty quickly and quarantine and mass burn any corpses to stop the spread.
@@derek96720Well I think just getting an old Hilux and putting a spike plow on it would decimate them you know what they say the day you kill a Hilux is the day you become god and I know these fleshbags will never even come close to being god
Considering that most high population counties in metro areas have around 100k-300k individuals even a 10% walker population in every county could quickly overwelm neighborhoods and local police. Crashes would block highways, causing chaos, chocking the entire interstate system very quickly. By the time the military came around they wouldve been dealing with atleast 100k walkers in every major city at minimum, with many more coming in with random people panicking, looting, shootings from paranoia, people commiting suicide at the sight of zombies eating someone or dumb people approaching a walker not understanding they were zombies not some cracked out person. I think its so interesting to imagine how it went down but the creators always fail to show just how bad the panic wouldve been aside from riots & random police interactions w walkers.
If you're saying that then you're just stupid or smth, as a Brazilian we have a much inferior army, still even here we would be capable of not fucking things over because soldiers would be deployed everywhere, there are about 6000 municipalities here in Brazil, we have 200k active soldiers and 80 million reserves, now if you do the math there would basically be an average of 100k soldiers in each city, now imagine if we're living in the USA and each person had an easily available weapon, there wouldn't be such crisis
How to kill Walkers
Step 1:Get a minigun
Step 2:Spin and shoot
Step 3:Enjoy the victory
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Guys just think. When the military bombed Atlanta they doomed every state near them because they turned whole Atlanta into walkers.
Most of the walkers were melted into the asphalt as seen in Season 5, or were probably to burnt for their muscles to function. A good amount of the walkers probably are immobile from damages.
@@doctorfuckmen Half of Millions?
@@dinosaurspy7096 well they did bomb the entire city. Perhaps some walkers escaped relatively unharmed? Possibly. But for the most part it really just seems a major majority have been immobilized or are trapped probably in buildings. Which they most likely wouldn’t be able to escape from unless something alerted them.
They used Napalm which would just melt your entire body, even your bones. There is also no effective way to put out Napalm, only taking away the fuel (so let it burn) or to take away the oxygen which is pretty much impossible in the open air.
Atlanta needs to be Napalmed right now in real life.
I like the way World War Z by Max Brooks handled it by explaining things like riots, panic, misinformation, separate events around the globe that happened that at first seemed unrelated and the general hubris governments and their military had thinking an abundance of technology would save them. Also, having an enemy that doesn’t need to eat, drink, sleep would absolutely change everything.
I like that It showed the military winning but the book has a ton of BS
@@darklord7479 yeah it's no where near the great book it's portrayed to be but it has some decent parts (not the military part tho)
if you think that the military being stupid is anything other then "this has to happen for the story to make sense", the you are grossly misinformed upon the capabilities a modern military has. you know tanks really work, right? and apachies? and ac130s? against teeth and nails, high explosive munitions kind of win that fight every time.
Non military kills them military would be able to
@@darklord7479you gotta listen to the audiobook. The one with all the different voice actors. It adds a ton to the feel of it. The book showed most governments losing, most engagements were planned sacrifices so others could make safe zones. A main plot point was Nelson Mandela and Paul Reddick working together to come up with a plan to save South Africa. They come up with a plan to sacrifice most of the population so a few select survivors could get to easily defendable zones and start establishing self sufficient safe zones.
If the military won in WWZ, it was a Pyrrhic victory at best. The Russian decimation, Ukrainians gassing their own, American forces overrun by overcompensating with technology and waste. Building a Fox hole and defensive ditches in full combat gear against zombies….German military trying to hold out but being forced to pull back to the safe zones. Leaving the people to be slaughtered.
First I would like to say I have over 30 years 20+ in the army and 10+ as a contractor. Some the biggest fails that need to be addressed is the large scale of events. If this was happening say over a few states or a region, but its happening world wide. The military would be spread thin and it would also take time to deploy. With the lack of knowledge and understanding of how or really what is happening it wouldn't take long for communications and supply lines to break down.
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Would the military be able to hold certain valleys and isolated areas? For example Hawaii? Mount Cheyanne? Air Force bases?
@@JarodFarrant It would really depend on how long the supply chain was down. As the food supply starts to go you would have to look for alternate sources.
But do you think they would fail? I don't because even with the delay in communications they'd still figure out how to actually bring the zombies down. These aren't Romeo "fast" zombies. They're slow, stupid and shambling.
@@eightball6219did you mean Romero? Because these are Romero zombies, slow shambling. They were only slightly fast in the beginning
nobody:
Zombies: *Exists*
TWD Military: Oh no we dead
Military in Reality: NOW YOU CAN EAT SUNLIGHT~
The sun is a deadly laser?
Yeah in real life the zombie apocalypse would probably be figured out quick
@@clonechoopa31 Not anymore there's a blanket ;)
You can make a religion out of this.
SG 2626-34 I think he means eat a nuke bc nukes are hotter and brighter than the sun
The military failed for the same reason the entire population failed. Not understanding what was happening at the beginning. One soldier dies in a barracks translates into thousands of soldiers bitten. And I would imagine that was the least of the militaries problem. Once it was discovered exactly what was happening, I would imagine 80 percent of the military deserted to protect their own families. Especially with the complete breakdown of the chain of command and Government. With no one giving orders and no clear enemy to fight, why stay?
@Duke Johnson At the begining the sickness was not understood. People who were infected or bitten were put into the hospital population like any other sick person. Let's say 30 of them die in their sleep and turn over night. They in turn bite hundreds within the hospital walls which then in turn translates into a thousand people getting infected easily.
@Duke Johnson Who/how does any doctor get a chance to spread the information.
When the situation has gotten to Army shooting waves of "sick" citizens, the world IS in bad way.
@@mrtrek64 also how did no one find the dormant disease on the brain? IT IS ON THE BRAIN PEOPLE LITERALLY HAVE SURGERY ON THAT.
@@gianttacogod Young man...whatever this disease is, it attacks the brain stem the same way meningitis does. There is no operation on the planet that can cure a fungal, bacterial, or parasitic disease from entering the brain.
@@mrtrek64 it was a space spore apparently.
Why not just get a kill streak and call in an ac-130
Or A-10
Get that 25 kill streak and call in that nuke
@@dunkandino321 man the zombies are running cold-blooded
Even just calling in the choppy should clear an area
ENEMY ac-130 ABOVE!!!!!!!!!!
I see a couple of reasons.
1. Separation: if the army is too spread out, it could get overrun in small pockets at the time. And if the orders stop comming, units will cease to operate normally.
2. Supplies: if no one is making bullets and machine parts, you will eventually run out.
3. Morale: soldiers would eventally collapse due to low morale, or due to the urge to see their family (presumably causing a lot of desertion and lack of cohesion)
4. Other groups of humans want their supplies and attack them
5. Etc (many other reasons)
6. Conflicting orders: what ever is left of the chain of commands might fight over what step they should take/ struggle of who's in charge, crippeling the army's effectiveness.
This is my biggest pet peev when it comes to zombie movies/tv. Just makes absolutely 0 sense.
Not really supposed to lol zombies dont make sense
Unless they are like Dawn of the Dead I would agree with you
They explain most of this stuff in wwz (the book) because of how military weapons are meant for similarly armed combatants, not ones unaffected by demoralization tactics, concussive damage, fire, and non-headshot wounds.
@@richardb7315 Zombies like that don't make much sense either IMO, but in that case the military failing is a bit more acceptable.
Not to mention winter in areas where temps drop below freezing. Zombies would freeze solid. Then you go around smashing in their heads. A couple of years later, zombies all gone.
The military failed so we could have the show. It's just a TV programme.
Yes
@@easystreet7713 no, I'm saying there would be no show if the military didn't fail. It doesn't matter why.
I feel as if the Extinction Cycle books are better and slightly more realistic than TWD, there's 7 books, and a prequel planned, you should check them out, good read, good story, interesting Zombies, almost every moment is a cliff hanger making it so you don't want to put it down, the first book is named Extinction Horizon, it follows Captain Reed Beckham of Delta Force squad 'Ghost' and CDC Scientist Kate Lavato as they fight for survival, the military is mostly gone in the first two weeks with only around 4-6 bases left, half of the Navy, and One Fortress built in preparation named Plum Island, honestly it's better in my opinion than TWD, and I won't spoil anything else, enjoy your read.
Reklaw ___ he’s talking about the actual walking dead universe though like how did it fail in that universe, got nothing to do with the making of the show, it’s do with the actual show
Hurrrr durrrr
Top reasons why the Military fail:
- “WHERE ARE THE EXPLOSIVES PRIVATE!”
- “I DON’T KNOW, SIR, WE GAVE THEM TO THE AIRFORCE!”
- Plot Amour
Where's the lamb saaaauce
@@felonymelody4773 Garet had a little lamb
As an AF veteran... 🤣
I remember one forum talking about how zombie plagues spread so fast putting it as “you see your grandpa collapse, and eventually come too seemingly so out of it and confused he bites the person giving him CPR. NO ONE in real life is gonna stab grampa in the brain and isolate the bite victim. Not until its all far too late to stop”
Yeah, but Kirkman’s zombies, the infection was discovered months before it became a global pandemic. Surely it would be public knowledge after 4 months that unless you destroy the brain, the dead will rise. So for me it’s weird that in like 2 days as shown in Fear society became overrun and collapsed
In the book World War Z the military confronting the zombies was one of the most interesting chapters. Basically they wanted to put on this huge PR stunt, to show off how well they are handling the outbreak. They make this plan of bottlenecking the horde and while the media films them , they proceed to make the soldier do useless things such as dig ditches and make sandbag fortifications all while wearing the most expensive looking gear that made them half dead from the heat by the time zombies showed up. The soldier being interviewed for the story says that they made them bring all this expensive gear but severly underestimated the hordes size, so they had all these fansy suits , weapons and machinery but not enough ammo or fuel. Disaster creeps in real slow , kinda like how a frog won't know it's being cooked alive if temperature is being increaced gradually. First zombies show up and they get absolutely shreded , more come same thing happens, everyone seems in high spirits and this repeats for a while , with the military blasting them away with expensive explosives, rockets and so on . Next thing you know those fansy explosives run out and it's up to the soldiers and tanks. They fight for a while and realize that not only is the income of zombies not stopping , it's getting bigger and bigger. After more time they start running out of bullets and panic sets in, all the soldiers are conected with a modern combat system that let's them know where they are and talk freely, so panic spreads like a wild fire. All order breaks down and the fortifications gets overun , the end.
The second time the military confronts the zombies in the book is long after the outbreak . They pretty much had to reform their whole way of fighting , returning to formation combat like in the civil war times. Each army had a token song they would atract the zombies with. They would form up and blast the speakers to atract every zombie for miles. The army from that particular chapter were using Iron Maiden The trooper as their song. Imagine what a cool scene that would make. The book is honestly so awsome i don't know how they managed to butcher the movie.
Yep - great book. Totally different movie. Thanks for the comment!
Such a good book
Man Those first battles were bull did the author forget about shrapnel from bombs and everything besides tanks and small arms.
That is the worst writing of the military ever.
@@darklord7479 to be fair the chances of shrapnel actually destroying the brain outright is pretty rare. I believe that in WWZ a graze or anything like that wouldn't get a kill. Also explosives didn't really effect wwz zombies due to their blood being viscous almost like jelly and pressure didn't affect them at all. So sure explosives would kill the zombies caught in the dead middle but the others would be completely fine.
The best tactic I’ve ever seen was in a JL Bourne novel where the military dropped a giant armored speaker into a field that emitted a massive sound and drew tons of zombies to it making it easier to pick them off en masse.
I remember reading that exact thing in a book too but I can't for the life of me remember what it was called. I think in the same book there was mention of maritime operations to make sure zombies wouldn't walk over the sea floor
@@Goofygooberston wouldn’t they be crushed from the pressure
@@darklord7479 Realistically, yes
@@Goofygooberston also if they could withstand the deep sea then they would explode on land
@@darklord7479 How about that beer you owe me?
Here's a plot hole; it's called radio.
> Unit A goes out and kills walkers
> "You can only kill them if you shoot them in the head"
>Unit B goes out
>"They can't swim."
>Unit C
"They can't climb and act like animals."
>Unit D
"Over here in Iraq the same thing is happening."
Bamb, the prosperous government with the largest military in history can probably figure a plan and communicate with other countries out with that information. I can't imagine the pentagon and every army baser was over run.
If the military was defeated, it would be defeated through attrition and desertion, essentially the slow collapse of the logistics system that keeps soldiers fed, watered, and supplied with war material.
I could see official resistance collapsing, but after a couple years, as the power grids in the last few safe zones built around ammunition supply points failed.
It seems like unit d is talking about Iraqi locals lol
Let's not forget how stupid governments and military leaders can be.
A lot of people would get arrogant, and wouldn't give the threat the caution it needs. They'd get complacent, redirect more military to their own private security, spend more money on trying to convince people it isn't a problem, then use the walkers as bioweapons against their enemies, thus creating even more of a problem.
Look that’s a good point but there was that communication the government only lasted a few days I till they broke into smaller groups so the first day they didn’t do much the next the soldiers roles in they spent the next day trying to rebuild hospital and other bits day 3 they were debating leaving day 4 told to pack up and leave day 4 night by day 4 all high ups were dead the military relies on someone telling someone what to do once the top were gone no one knew who to contact or what to do so they just gave up and looked for loved ones mostly
Look at corona... They can't even convince people to wear a damn mask. Human stupidity, panic amd chaos can take down absolutely anything.
Horror movie logic.
Police officer with gun: *dies to monster*
School boy with nothing: *escapes, potentially even killing the slasher*
wtf r u talking about slashers don’t even remotely don’t have a correlation to TWD you smooth brain 😂😂😂
@@undercoverglock What?
@@undercoverglockmf is onto nothing
Cars: time to not work!
@@Man_Aslume fr, engine goes on vacation if it's too close to the scary man
“when you see the zombies, you might just think they are sick” bruh HELL no when you see a guy running at you in a horde moaning and yelling you fire.
haha yep
Walking
@@urvakshbagwadia9758 ok
@@Mangonanmang makes it worse for the military to lose because they are legit walking.
The IRL military has a literal gameplan specifically for a zombie apocalypse. It includes dealing with evil magic zombies.
I did a video on it - CONPLAN 8888
I remember this conplan8888
what kind of weird clown ass country has a gameplan for a zombie apocalypse damnit?
@@ericvirgo the USA
Nerds are everywhere.
Im gonna be honest here, instead of a group of everyday survivors, Id much rather have a show based around a military unit thats going through the same thing. Actually no, an even better idea would be to bring one of two (I wish it was both) book series. DJ Moles The Remaining and Day by Day Armageddon by someone i dont know. Whichever one, it would be just amazing to see it.
I had more interest in the one episode (when they kill all the guardsmen) about the national guards story than the Governers and his men. Hopefully im not alone on that.
I agree with you love see AMC show showing usa military trying to cope with the starts of the outbreak and back story of tank soldier season 1
Agreed. I've thought of this and think The walking Dead: stronghold would be a good title.
There are several places where this can happen. I think the prime place would be VA hospital in salt lake City Utah. Combined with Mormons influence in the state, including their disaster preparedness standards, Utah would stand a chance better than any other state. Given the layout of VA hospital in salt lake it could easily be made into a stronghold as it is surrounded by iron fences.
Several main factors that make me think salt lake City could successfully create a stronghold is.
1. It is the state capital in a red state and there are in a large amount of gun owners and veterans.
Here we have and a large number of storehouses a food and supplies that the Mormons keep, not to mention every woman household is supposed to have a stockpile of food and other supplies.
There are several military bases in this area including camp Williams which house has the 19th special forces group.
The salt lake VA is one of the three finest in the country; and most bite victims would be going to the University hospital, salt lake regional hospital and the Mormon hospital as opposed to VA hospital, which does not have a full ER like regular hospitals.
Yes this would make one hellacious TV series showing how veterans and the military along with the general population deal with this issue and eventually provide a provisional government.
Something like this would explain what happened to Rick. Hate to admit that not all groups would adhere to their oath of service. But I think for this series we would have a group that does.
And zombies who bleed out, get frozen, decompose in heat, etc.
@@HongFeiBai Those are not zombies then.
Infected and zombies are different things.
In Walking Dead zombies are UNDEAD. This is different from other media, where zombies are just rabid humans on adrenaline with limits.
Miscommunication is probably a huge factor, they tried to keep it under the rug as much as possible, they were shooting walkers in the streets in front of civilians who thought they were sick and didn't tell them shit when they were in the safe zones
If this really happened irl the military (U.S and other strong military) would easily succeed and contain the outbreak.
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I would really hope so, I do not doubt the type of training soldiers receive in the military. Unfortunately there are some, not all, idiots that are high in command within the military 🙂✌🏼
Sentinel Randy the government already has and actual protocol set up for a zombie apocalypse if I remember correctly. But even then, it’s so main stream that it’ll probably be contained without the military. Lol
@@MrRager-mh5gf yes I did here about that, good to know something is in place at least. And I would hope so, but some people would act completely stupid and do stupid shit in moments like this 👍🏼👏🏼✌🏼
The western military hasn’t been able to contain and defeat insurgent fighters in Afghanistan so don’t be so sure. All it takes is a few soldiers or pilots to turn and it would escalate
@@GraemeCampbellMusic The Insurgents are alive and fighting back, that's War not this....
How to find your son
By Rick Grimes:
1. Get a Colt Python
2. Suit up
3. Shout Coral!
Coral???
My son isn't named coral tho
And you need to burn down every where you stay
@@ninoninombre5666 Carl, search for Coral TWD you'll see memes
Lmao
Plot twist they didn't fail they left and let the walkers kill everyone
Viceversa this would probably happen though.
Omg that is a next level of being a dick
Then they come back and what they wanted was more zombies for higher difficulty
Yeah Ik this is a joke but the military's had other places to be or to protect because the army isn't as big to protect a whole city/town by themselves
And then they came back to take back the waist started by clearing out the vaults.....wait wrong story
The thing is, zombie fiction does not exist in the TWD universe, so people would have no idea what to do, like, not all diseases cause people to start eating others. Plus, only headshots kill them, and we see there were a lot of people who didn't figure it out even later in that series. Plus, people who died without getting bit still turned, which would further spread the disease.
_"Only headshots kill them."_
Wrong. Anything that causes the destruction of the brain can kill them. Aircraft bombs and any form of high explosive with a sufficient yield will literally crush the brain inside the skull due to blast overpressure. This whole idea of cannons, mortars, bombs, tanks, etc being useless because "it's not designed to fight zombies" is just writers convenience.
Zombies dont spread the infection by bite in twd cuz when they bite its a powerfull bacteria that kills you so that the virus everyone has Takes over
They failed because someone replaced all the military's ammunition with blanks. I've only watched bits and pieces of this show and it's always annoyed me how you can see one of these soldiers spraying and m249 into a crowd of zombies and only see like... 1 zombie fall over every 5 seconds. Where are the bullets going? Each one would shred like 7 of those rotting corpses a piece...
The military failed because of plot armor. Realistically the slow walking undead wouldn't stand a chance against the military.
Well true but false, because if anyone randomly dies they can turn so that makes most of the hospitals dangerous and the poor areas of a big city, a place like New York might get over run easily. And getting the military there quickly will take time
So the military has CoD hit detection.
@@nono-cz8ki but then you have the problem of zombies getting caught in the treads and clogging things up. World War Z (the book) outlines how things could realistically spiral out of control. Mismanagement, poor, bordering on negligent thinking. Countless problems caused by higher ups and just overall people being people. You can have all the things in place to handle a problem, it just comes down to actually doing it. And then there's training, the military is trained to shoot center mass, not for the head, yeah sure, you could shred them with a saw or a .50, but that doesn't matter if you don't destroy the brain. We can all say that there's no way that the military would fail, but there's multiple problems that come with zombies
@@nono-cz8ki false unless you get a headshot most of the zombies will keep walking even with a lot of bullets hitting them in their chest
@@nono-cz8ki false still some countries will use money till the end paper money would be replaced with resources like food water building materials people someone poorly managing those kind of resources would eventually Doom military and survivors
Having anyone who dies from a non brain injury reanimate, adds a whole new level of complexity. I would be nervous sleeping around a bunch of seniors knowing one of them could have a heart attack in their sleep.
thats the thing and imo the only reason the military lost. they were probably taking in survivors too and all it takes is 1 person to lie about a scratch
@@lukasdoofus2592 still does not make sense its plot armor end of story, they would figure it out and they have time for that, it is just a mess of logic failures for plot convinience, if you can not see it like this then your extraverted intuition for why things would work in real life are not up there buddy
@@masticloxpoker1006 we still have two continents in the throes of an 18 month old cold virus pandemic, largely because we can’t agree on the basic facts of the virus, especially not in relation to wealth and civil rights. This TWD virus would have so undermined the worlds basic opinions on healthcare, personal rights, and morality, that no technology could have prevailed.
@@masticloxpoker1006 the US president will have to go Stalin on all US citizens
If all agencies like police and hospitals fails and dies,
Army will have to be evacuating millions of people, moving safe zones during zombie horde cause for some reason military can't build or modify their fortifications for the horde.
That's a lot of manpower and logistics..they will hope central command will never go down
What if they can't recall all soldiers overseas cause they fought and died there too... Or the crew in a ship/planes turned zombie while they're going home
I mean if you can overpower an elderly person to began with. Granted I havent tried...but I know I can.
Good thing that they didn't use shotguns because they would only have done 7 damage
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Wow a fortnite joke very funny haha, nice👍
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I had always assumed that when the virus first hit that it was much stronger, air born , so a mass of the population turned (w/o even being bitten) too quickly for large scale organization to hold and counter attack. That's why everyone alive has the virus. Everyone that didn't just get a fever and die and turn immediately are the ones we follow in the show dealing with the aftermath.
yup everyone is expecting a bite. but what if you already breathed it in?
The military failed cause they did their training on zoom meetings 😞😭
LMFAO
both relatable and a funny
LOOOL
Also too much diversity training
I think the episode in Season 7 where Rick and Michonne find the abandoned carnival as well as what the Governor did tell us mostly what else caused the Military to fall. People needed guns and supplies, and the Military was a good source for that. I'm pretty sure in the episode with Rick and Michonne there were both dead soldiers and dead civilians/survivors, implying they were either fighting each other or fighting someone else.
Wouldn’t they have just shot the people who attacked them
The deer from that episode though
Another reason is possibly the military had reasons for securing zones, but when faced with dozens of families with children desperate for help, knowing that they are not just their fellow man, but fellow Americans, if they had orders to reject survivors entering, it only takes a few sympathetic soldiers refusing those orders as unethical to cause a breakdown of orders or system. If they didn’t then they become bogged down with protecting civilians who are possibly at risk or bitten and next thing you know, the walkers appear from the inside or having to stand their ground against a horde to protect slow civilians from escaping.
Imagine if the military existed throughout the whole walking dead
They did!
They would stand a much better chance irl than in TWD cuz Conplan 8888
@@imnotusingthisaccountnowne5936 ikr that all I was thinking off complain 8888
I'd love a military point of view
It would be cool if a Guy in the military had joined Rick and his gang temporarily.
I think the speed at which the outbreak spread combined with the complete chaos that unfolded from not knowing what they were dealing with overwhelmed almost every element of the state. The dead in military hospitals rising up and attacking probably caused massive casualties in secure areas. Soldiers who died in the field would have gotten back up in full gear making them harder to shoot. I think this would likely happen in real life too. The dead don't rise, it isn't something anyone is actually prepared for. Doesn't matter how good the army is, in those first days cops, paramedics, doctors, the national guard and firefighters will almost certainly be the big casualties as they try to contain an unbelievable and overwhelming event
would any one mind a military group Spinoff of the walking dead?
christian Silva sounds badass
Sounds expensive... They would simply say "people are not going to watch It" in order not to film it
sounds better than that other spinoff xD
It would just end up whiny and full of emmos crying about everything.
lastwolflord Exactly just like the real walking dead
Just kidding ..maybe
THE ZOMBIES HAD AIMBOT
Exactly and they used teleportation
I smell a whoosh
No! They had headshots on only on
Plus every gun in Hollywood only fires on full auto
simp5212 because Hollywood doesn’t understand guns.
Or they just like to intentionally mislead people
simp5212 Hello Mr.Hollywood should the sniper be full auto
Mr.Hollywood:what do you think idiot we want a minigun sniper
@@germanball9584 that fires grenades
I think they didn’t fail but achieved their mission to get everyone of value out of harms way and now they are in a secure place. They didn’t want to stop the outbreak bc they know everyone has it but to rebuild some where and then over time deal with it
There are only 1.4m survivors out of 7 billion
and its called CRM now.
Good theory :)
Not true at all
Interesting but I still think this was just the creater knowing nothing about the army an AC-130 gunship would level anything highrise building infested with zombies fire an AC130 shot and level the building if the army was losing that many people in the city they would send the AC 130 in to level it
hmmm, this is really interesting but I am gonna say this with my dad working the tank regiment that the soldiers who are working in tanks would not turn or die for a few weeks. Yes, they will need fuel and supplies but a tank is an armoured box which is practical and hard to destroy without the right equipment. the only reason tank crews could need to come out is for fuel supplies and food/water and then they can move to a safe location to join up with other survivors. It also makes no sense why the tank crew have turned in the first series as they would be isolated and are strictly told to never exit the tank in combat situations unless the tank is hit and tanking heavy fire
The tank crew in season 1 could have died in the tank from thirst or anything else, surrounded by zombies and unable to get out.. If you die you become a zombie. They didnt need to get bitten or anything.
@@thumperpaul155 pretty sure there are supplies in tanks to last
@@Le-eu4bf To last??? Forever or what?
@@Le-eu4bf to last the 26 or so weeks rick grimes was in hospital for?
seeing how covid is being handled, i can tell why they failed 😂
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I mean that’s different because of different specs
Bruh all they need is pack 3 ray gun
Thw government is doing good with covid its the population fucking up and not following social distancing rules
As Robert Kirkman said, there is no pop-culture idea of a zombie in TWD universe. So essentially, they had the element of surprise. “Going for the head” is something we’d all do, but in their world, they only learn that through experience. So police officers who are trained to go for the chest, will fail, and then be shocked and surprised and overrun.
Just finished the vid, cool. I was right.
Sure, but the research.
@@evilclown019still the TWD zombies arent really impressive aside from the early ones which could sorta run and interact with their environment
@@Tribrid-zv3nqI think the trickiest part is the fact that in tdw everybody is infected and comes back after they die
Humans known since a million years that they need to go for the head when fighting humans
1. No matter how you die, Suicide, Bombings, shootings, etc. You’ll still turn.
2. In TWD, at this point, it isn’t really the Walkers you got to worry about, it’s the people, because people lost their minds, Humanity is a danger to Humanity
That's the entire central theme of the story, yes.
In operation cobalt the military was ordered to evac so i think their is a large group of government and military somewhere and i would to like to see a spinoff about military side of the apocalypse
I think it would be a good idea to do a spinoff of how the outbreak happened in a different country like Brazil, or Israel, or Ukraine or something like that... also being on an island like Guam or hawaii,or go somewhere in Oceania, I think that's a good idea
bachcottage yeah that would be cool i would like to see one in china
@Jake's - There is a TWD novel coming soon set in China.
Could be Rick's mysterious "helicopter people". The possibilities are endless.
Robert Blakemore yeah your right maybe in the rick movie we will find out were the vorus came from
greenland was probably perfectly fine during all of this lmao
Laughs in greenland and canada
Laughs in green land and Iceland
Iceland!
Laughs in antártica
Fish: Bubbles go blub blub
I believe that the military in some way shape or form is still alive, but not helping anyone and holing up in a fort knowing how the walkers work and are really powerful just not forgiving or helpful and large as the used to be. Maybe the military is the CRM?
Like in Texas, Alaska.. or Maybe on a Island in Hawaii..
Coppertop V If I remember they said the military in Texas failed because Abraham came from Austin and the military failed there.
@@toby1061 I was more Referring to the desert, or less populated areas of Texas.
@@coppertopv365 yeah like nellis
Kinda like NERO in Days Gone, except slower...
I liked the submarine spin off they did, that helped show the break down of communication. One person died, three people bit, then they bite others, before you figure out a head shot puts them down and they’re not the person they were most everyone is dead or bitten
I liked that little short as well
They failed because lore,one well placed GPM (general propose machine gun)Could destroy extreme sized hordes, imagine a Striker apc with a MK19 belt fed granade launcher
yeah totally just assume we know what that shit is
@@Mario2Master yep
@@Mario2Master en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_19_grenade_launcher
It’s Stryker and no one calls anything a general purpose machine gun. Also you are some obsessed kid that thinks using unnecessary false nomenclature will make you seem cool
@@BrettReynolds55 He is obviously British like me his lingo is how I know.
1:41 Something really important seems to be missing from the gun
No ammo no wonder they failed they where to thic in the head to know how to put a clip in
@@hypocritical4195 *Mag
I served in the irish Defense force i fell it depends on the nation Ireland has less soldiers than the US but is more focus on defense we even trained for warfare with zombies every halloween we chose a virus from one movie, and trained to respond to each type of zombies
Wow....now that is pretty cool. IF the sh*t goes down I may be going to Ireland. Thanks for watching!
TheWalking DeadExplained np laddie if u can make it to ireland tho
Weird flex but ok
Edward Elric the cdc and pentagon ( basically the military command center) they have a plan for ever zombie scenario
Now that sounds like a fun day
The only acceptable explanation as to why walker-type zombies took over is the "we pretended it wasn't happening and sold placebos because the economy 😢" from WWZ (the book ofc)
The plot overrun the military, not the zombies XD
That's why they failed
Setting up perimeter defenses is a common mindset. These guys had what, two lookouts in an exposed tower platform? We would place them on buildings, binoculars and silenced rifles for picking off and scouting enemy movements and positions. Our guns rarely hit the fences like that, and we select our targets. Spraying is a waste of bullets unless you are far enough away yet near enough to shoot many enemies in their backsides without fear of bullet deflection or them turning around on you. A standard soldier has many rounds of ammunition carried for their rifle and sidearm. Two grenades a soldier, a short-range receiver and squad based tactics would have won the day. Police forces needed to deploy armored police in armored vehicles while staying in cover, not advancing on civilians with a simple club/baton and riot shield. These batons need at least a blade on the end for slicing and stabbing. Flamethrowers and napalm should be allowed in these circumstances as an exception to the war accords for crowd control of infected and dead areas. Steel gateways with bard wire and machinegun posts as well as a few heavily armed guards in front to secure any uninfected citizens seeking shelter. Lights are to be shined at least for a half mile ahead of the pathway, with a patrol of at least two squads always rounding the perimeters, both outside and inside. Many tactics could be used here for this type of situation. Parks and stadiums, small residential divisions with stone or brick walls and villages could be used very effectively for a limited amount of time before moving towards a new locale.
Sounds good to me.......Thanks for watching!
Why wouldn't the military in the show go with snipers more? Or one shot rifles? A full on automatic gun is not effective in that situation.
@@obiwaankenobi4460 In what situation? In reference to being in a secured higher vantage point such as the roof tops of buildings, etc?
Don't forget the barrett 50 cal.
It's a delete cannon for zombies
@@alreadyblack3341 Well, when you're trying to go for a headshot, full-auto guns aren't effective. Snipers and/or semi-auto rifles work best, so you can control your shots.
Let’s be real here,
If they were actually trained specialist with great accuracy and precision, Well equipped with more grenades and explosives,
Actually shooting zombies in the head and not a fence, More well equipped vehicles,
better defenses then a guard tower with a weak fence.
Actually you know what, the military has been nerfed 9 times in zombie movies.
Writers treat them as NPC, not a side character.
And you all know npc in video game, they do 1 damage. and wait for you to do the rest.
Most of the military action we saw in the TWD was either splinter groups or temporary outposts. There was never a scene in TWD that involves a "proper" military base.
@@zebimicio5204 but millitary soldiers would know how to make kill zones and stuff
The military is extremely nerfed in alien movies
Every zombie movie has "Please stay in your homes" requests everywhere....if everyone did that, there would be a small manageable few groups of zombies to take care of instead of hoards of cities.
The problem is, in a situation like that most people think it's local. Your city / country is being attacked or whatever. The basic instinct is to get the fuck out of there as soon as possible.
There might be a small chance that it was local. But if not, it's nothing worse and now you have to deal with it.
Well, if the Covid pandemic taught us anything it is that people do not comply. Even though it is in their best interest. The spread of social media platforms and self entitlement has made things far worse.
Everyone needs to go out and get food. When there's no more food deliveries to local super markets. People will leave their homes to find food.
We do a drill called, "Failure to stop" which is 2 to the chest one to the head.
Helljumper Bravo-16 I was taught 2 to the chest 1 to the hip in MCT
That's suppose to be what double tap is. One to the heart, one to the head. To make sure a person is dead.
@@timlim7550 In ITB we were taught one to the head if a pelvic shot doesnt work.
@@lastwolflordit is a failure to stop I am a U.S Marine. That is what we were taught when shooting brother. Double tap isnt how you do it.
@@derekmensch3601 First off, I am sure a double tap does not mean one to the heart and one to the head -- double taps are meant to maximize trauma in the chest cavities of living human targets. I'm sure it has changed. I am also a US Marine. In 2007 we were told the preference for the third shot goes to the head, but in the fleet they lightened up and said we could also try the pelvis. You also have to remember that M855 green tips are only so effective against thin, emaciated, suicidal targets. I think training emphasizes fighting conventional forces again now.
Wish Frank darabont (bad spelling) didn't get sacked because he wanted to show how the army failed in Atlanta in a few eps in season 2!
Got sacked for budget cut everyone was fine bout the millatary
@@enzlem408 ah right, such a shame because the way he shot episodes, it would have been amazing! I still hope that 1 day his Shane opening scene from s2 e1 will come out one day!
Yeah he wanted to follow the story of the soldier-Zombie Rick met in the tank to tell the story of how the military fell through his eyes. A real Shame.
wish he didn't also but for different reasons. Show has many plotholes because he was fired
Should have done it
I think the biggest factor in a world without zombie lore is the reluctance to shoot civilians
Which would go away after like a week and a half
@@darklord7479 if that
Never underestimate how willing many soldiers are to kill
@@josue.ortegaespecially marines
@@josue.ortegayea some of them join because they just want to shoot people 😂
I remember one strat on a Korean show, they equiped drone with speakers, the drones make groups of zombies and they used ballistic missiles.
After what the other surviving zombies on buildings and houses goes on the explosion sites, and the korean army restart the process with more materiel, to the point that the city have been cleared, but because it's a zombie show it start in other cities nearby
technically zombies do need food/ humans cuz without it they would eventually die it's jus really slowed
An apple a day keeps walkers away
How could they die if they are dead? They would certainly just rot to nothing
Bogunovich LoL 😂
Bogunovich they would eventually deteriorate, or rot so much they would jus fall apart and would literally just be a head well barely a head
technically zombie bodies would fall apart in a couple of months not years.
What do you mean they don't need food?
They eat people.
I almost took it out because I knew viewers would say this because I said it as I made it haha - but it just means they can go almost forever without eating......unlike a soldier.....Thanks for watching!
Honestly just a nitpick. You have very entertaining videos and I'm glad you make them.
That just made me go "huh"
Thanks for watching and commenting Rob....appreciate any and all feedback and conversations...
We are their foods.
Noooo
Well there’s a difference between needing and wanting
I was in the army/ng for a hot minute and my experience is that there’s a looooot of incompetent leaders in high ranks of the military and government. There’s a decent chance that in this specific scenario the walkers could get the upper hand, that all said I also think that once people started making the connection that the head or full corporal destruction was the way to go, things would turn around pretty fast or at least stablise the situation in hold outs. The military also knew in FTWD that reanimating happens regardless of cause of death so in these holdouts and field hospitals strict protocols would be put in place either on a military wide scale or by individual units commanders on the advice of the chief doctors. I imagine the seriously sick and injured may well be seen as liabilities as opposed to people to save, sadly.
So while I have poor confidence in the leadership of our military (particularly in the combat mainline elements of the marines and army), I do think they would’ve adapted fairly quickly and with some high degree of effectiveness because at least the zombies are incapable of strategising and organising.
The leadership would’ve been purged by means of natural selection and those who were capable of dealing with the crisis would have eventually risen to positions of command by default. I think there’d still be a lot of casualties that could be avoided but because we have officers and NCOs that care more about police calling parking lots, hazing new recruits, and being politically correct in the press (I’m relatively socially liberal don’t @ me) but eventually those people would die bc of their stupidity, run away, or be removed by their betters or by troops and civilians who are sick of being lead to destruction.
Thanks for watching!
I still think the military would've spent more time trying to make the infection a bioweapon than they would spend trying to fight it.
That's why you dont trust the Army to do the Marines job lol jokes
Where were the Marines anyway... the government had to have planned it all along to trim the populace, and took all the Marines to be their security force. Lmao
U.S army 71-74 . You're right a bunch of clowns.
@@edgarross4373 There are only 180,000 active duty US Marines allowed by law anyway.
Retired military here. from my experience a lot of folks would abandon their post and go protect their families. sad but true!
Don't they have to take some kind of oath?
Fuck that shit @@willshad
Not to mention that the CDC said it was airborne and everyone has it... even if the military had been able to kill all the zombies survivors still would have turned after dying anyway 🥺
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So it must’ve been bc they needed gas masks
So the military wins and implements a body burning order cremating each body of someone who died
@@youtubernob8238 you would have had to have known to wear a gas mask before the missles or whatever carried it had gone off. And fpr who knpws how long after
@@youtubernob8238you would have to have known prior, and also wear them 24/7 lol
In the marines, I was taught two to the chest, one to head. Constantly...
Your base has 1 million rounds the city next to it has 3 million people you might make it if none of you comrades get nicked or die ruining your formations and moral wake up in the night to Bob eating Dave's face and so on.
@@Barskor1 the US military has thousands of tanks, hellis and attack planes ... it would be pretty easy to maintain resources coming considering the zombies are complete trash. Give me a break, a single army of marines would stop the outbreak.
@@afonsosantos7486 Bob the supply guy has a bad heart but he stays on the job because his nation needs him but he has a heart attack and dies now the warehouse fuel depot and what not is a swarm of zombies and what are you going to do shoot tank shells and missiles in? By by supplies in a big ol fireball.
@@afonsosantos7486 Imagine if your governments enemy had mind control and anyone of the most loyal dedicated members could be turned at any time and you might get a clue.
@@Barskor1 The problem with this is that. You wouldn't even need much but a loud speaker and a formation of tanks. They would easily be able to just drive over thousands of zombies. And people with serve health issues would more then likely be put on a watch list. Also...must military bases aren't in gated areas. They tend to be very spread out and not clustered. Only bases in hostile countries are walled up.
“Mission failed we’ll get em next time”
Hi mark
There won't be a next time or a do-over this is reality
r/woosh @@galethestardustangel4477
We all make happy accidents
The same reason France fell last, because they were unprepared for a threat that most people would see as ridiculous before the apocalypse. As soon as it was airborne the military had lost.
I'm standing out on my front porch, smoking a cig in the dark...why did this video making me start looking around for walkers 😑
Lol
Thanks for watching!
You shouldn't smoke it's bad for u
Hard to run away. :-)
“False.” -Navy
“This guy is joking, Ja?” -Space Nazis on the Moon
@@501ststormtrooper9
Plot twist. TWD apocalypse was planned by the space nazis, so that they could return to earth safely
@@alanjassybayev2428 Very Invervesving.
@@501ststormtrooper9
Think stormtrooper think! Why would the virus else collapse the governments of the world. It was all planned by emperor Cyber Hitler.
@@alanjassybayev2428 Ja.. Perhavps..
Btw, every base is going to have every asset it needs. There’s no bases filled with just mechanics. There’s no bases with just medics. Every base has everything it needs. Sure some may be more focused on aircraft. Some may be more focused on drones, but they’ll all have enough of everything to support the base.
Especially against slow moving targets.
I think within the first day of being infected they could sprint before rigor mortis.
Guess you haven't done any time in uniform saying such. Ft Sam Houston for instance is the Army's chief medical post, responsible for training of medical personnel. It's not a post w/much in the way of combat arms troops actually assigned and little reason to have much beyond some small arms/limited ammo for weapons quals for some of the cadre/MPs/admin people. Not sure if Ft Sam supports any Guard units which would change ammunition/supply asset amounts so there is THAT factor which could change things
Most AF bases have similar setups, Navy maybe depends on if they have many Marines or say Seebees (construction units)...
The biggest problem is that anybody who dies for whatever reason becomes a zombie. It only takes one mistake and the whole settlement will be taken over from within
The thing is - industrial capacity, infrastructure, and supply lines can be disrupted by zombies so expect some long-ass delays.
4:40 “she’s so drunk”, remember in Shawn of the Dead - when they first met a zombie they thought she was drunk.No one would think the zombies were anything but sick, at least at first. For the first few weeks I’d have to think soldiers would still have a hard time mowing down crowds of unarmed people even if they were violent
An m1 Abraham’s tank is literally immune to zombies. It’s air tight covered in armor. Because of the sheer amount of grip and horse power it could easily run over a hoard of zombies before having to refuel, not to mention the gun.
Unless someone dies in the tank? And when everyone goes into hiding with nana, and she wakes up and starts biting the kids, does the tank just blow up the whole house? How long does that work? What if someone in the military gets a staph infection? Do you treat him, or kill him on the spot? What’s the average age and health of a General?
@@lovejoy1311 nobody is just gonna spontaneously die in a tank, and I’m not saying that it would prevent the virus I’m saying that I would significantly reduce the amount of zombies
@@XShrimpGodx maybe? But more troops have died by accident, suicide, substance abuse on US soil than in any modern war. It’s worth noting that as you push tanks thru residential neighborhoods, every friendly fire death results in new zombies. That sounds like a nightmare for some kid with a helmet.
Spin turret, play golf with walker head, call it a day
Tanks need fuel and ammo, if you run out if either your kinda screwed
The military knew to shoot the infected in the head because when Shane was at the hospital you saw a soldier pull his pistol and go around shooting the people they already shot in the head. So they knew to shoot the head and they also could have known that when you die you come back.
It was too late though.
That’s just an execution style, they did this because it allows there victim to die without as much pain
Just wait 3 weeks and they'll all decompose xd
One of the theories of the disease is it was developed to deal with battle field trauma or a longevity booster that had horrible consequences that keeps the subject alive to be surgically repaired and or regenerated IF they get treatment and IV administered high levels of nourishment. So they are being maintained by the disease and slowly rotting depending on how much they eat.
Years. Within 3-5 years, unless they are being sustained by a third party/substance, will be dead and shape the rebuilding of society (if that even starts)
I don’t watch this show but using fairly basic science/biology and common sense you can determine what is and isn’t possible, what should and shouldn’t do, etc.
Well based on how long they lasted and the fact they have no issues if missing their innards magic pixie dust makes more sense as to how they remain moving as long as they do
Its some kind of thing with the virus...
keep in mind, its a corpse... a reanimated corpse... but still a corpse...
you see animal corpses disintegrating on the highway all the time... exposed to the elements non-stop definitely causes tissue to disintegrate. Skin, muscle, tendons, etc.. the point im getting at is the zombies are shambling because their bodies(the muscle, tissue, etc) their deteriorating. Which should also be applying to jaw bones and the muscles needed for biting...but i digress
A corpse, exposed to the elements, without means of restoring itself would still decay to nothingness within a months time(3-4 weeks). HOWEVER. The zombie lore has some general unwritten protection against exposure to the elements. Zombie apocalypse wouldnt be dramatic if it all can blow over in about a month though, eh?
There is analasys of this topic regarding the walkink dead tv show on the film theory channel.
A good example of a military not failing in a zombie apocalypse would be the Scouts guide to the Zombie Apocalypse and Shaun of the Dead.
Mostly likely because they don't know what they are up Against.
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World War Z almost paralleled "I Am Legend" where the "zombies" were almost super human versus walking corpses.
The game of thrones did war world z baddle
WWZ film was a fanboi’d version.
Mass panic, rapid outbreaks, outbreaks from within, lack of knowledge, ego, the fact that they didn’t know how many survivors were still in areas before they torched places (which may not stop orders even).
We still don’t know a lot about how this happened and how rapid and widespread it was.
I was in the military for 10 yrs, based on that and what I’ve seen in the show (stopped around S5) there is no way in hell the entire military collapses. I’d honestly be surprised if more than 20% would have been killed, and the majority of that would be in the initial confusion of Zombies being a thing (assuming zombies had never been in pop culture)
**they got guns, grenade, tanks, rocket launcher, helicopter with mini-gun**
How weak, and slow are those military when zombies got enough time to take them down?
Oh god walk for your lives it's a zombie horde
You have to consider logistics for that...a soldier can only carry a few ammunitions.. Many ex army youtuber keeps reminding people of that when they react to fps games
But they did nerf the vehicles.. Whether be tank or humvees and so on...
Can't say bombing will be an option to every state...especially in every city ..they would be destroying the a lot more than just buildings
They fail cuz of plot. I mean if you look at the walkers in TWD, it would look like the "apocalypse" would end itself in a month or 2 due to the walkers rotting.
What I've gathered is that fresh walkers are more aggressive and more nimble than the rotten walkers that seem to make up the majority of what the various crews of the show have to face later on. On top of that, the military didn't initially understand that they had to shoot them in the head and they used loud weapons. Also, gathering massive numbers of people in hopes of curing them or just to control their movements in the initial phases helped form massive herds that have been an endless source of fear throughout the show. Also, they didn't know that everyone was infected, meaning that they could easily get jumped by the walkers after losing someone.
Between that and the fact that civilization just collapses if the wrong people die in a short period of time, that would've broken the army's morale.
Fun little fact about military conduct to consider: headshots are frowned upon, due to many reasons such as it being difficult to ID a body with no head/disfigured face, low likelihood of a successful hit etc. Even snipers are told to avoid it where possible. Standard training teaches to aim for center mass. Now consider zombie biology and what is required to fully kill one... Im inclined to think that this indoctrinated training and mantality betrayed them.
Well at that point screw the foot solders send in the heavy artillery to where no matter where you hit them they are in pieces after all the old Hilux has overthrown whole governments it will massacre a hoard an AC-130 hey wait these used to be zombies tank unless it breaks down you are fine and if it does tanks usually travel 4 at a time so you have 3 more killing the zombies