For me, this is the most amazing welding video on the whole damn internet. There's lots of welding not very thin, thin steel. There's lots of scary looking weld beads, but stick beads that look like TIG? You see, like King Arthur in Monty Python, ' I seek.......the.. Grail.' For thirty years I've been hearing old-school stick welders talk about how they welded (thin) sheet metal mufflers, auto-bodys, etc., etc., etc., all the time, with only stick welders or even oxy-acetylene torches. I think 6011 was mentioned a few times, by name. Here in the US, 6011 has been very common since, I believe, WWII. The mud stick or farmer's friend, it was known for field repairs involving poor fit-up (gaps), and rusty, or greasy metal. It is now well known along with 6010, for burning in root passes, for pipeline or structural welding (big/industrial). But it is a fast- freeze electrode, like 6013, and apparently the very aggressive arc will (sometimes) allow welding at unreasonably low current (for the size of the electrode). The 3/32" is very widely available and affordable here, although any smaller sizes are very pricey and hard to find. I'm going to try this 6011 with AC and DC. I will report back by the end of welding season. Thanks so much, and also for the earlier link to Rapucuf.
I watched a guy score the sheet metal with a angle grinder with a cut off wheel then bend it to square with just a vice, a lot less welding. Thanks for the upload
that works great. the one reliable use I've found for 6013 is reinforcing outside corner bent that way, with score on outside. super smooth, good lookin' radius. on thinner matl I just use rivets ;)
Wow great! I want to use my stick welder for autobody eork because i dont want to have to buy a mig. Your video is very encouraging. I'm impressed by your steady hand!
Awesome, thanks for this video. I finally got home, and am trying out 6010 for the first time! :) Not doing any super thin stuff, just running beads on 2mm stuff, but wow, it is so easy to see the puddle! Its a little tricky to run at 40A though so far, but at around 70 or so, its really quite fun :)
@@Octopusbeak So I has been trying magmaweld 2.5mm 6010 and also cigweld 3.2mm 6010. I am using an inverter, and after a few more hours playing around, have been noticing it does not quite run it quite right. Some times it decides to go ok for a while, like 3 or 4 seconds, and then it might just stop or stick. I did find though, that running it just as if it were 7018 or 7016, though ie, no whipping but just keeping a constant close arc, it worked well on thin stuff, better than 6013 ( which seemed to want to suddenly blow holes ). I have bought an old school arc welder which I have not collected yet, a transformer one, which I plan to use as an inductor (see th-cam.com/video/ZGvPhJZCMvY/w-d-xo.html ), and I hope that will help :)
Oh and for reference, I have an inverter, which has an OCV of around 100V as measured by a multi meter . It does not appear to run 6010 as it should. The arc seems to randomly cut out, or the rod randomly sticks.
@@pkplexing using 2nd welder as inductor is clever! Seems 6010, esp visually apparent at low amperage, will readily short the arc gap with a molten blob. I can see how having a big flywheel in the system it'd keep the current high even if the inverter didn't respond fast enough. Good luck-
@@Octopusbeak Well I picked up my el cheapo transformer welder today, and tried it out in series with the earth lead. VERY VERY COOL! :) 6010 now runs very nicely, and I can now run rods (not just 6010) at a lot lower amperage without them cutting out.. you should try it out if you have a spare transformer welder kicking around, its a big difference
Thank you so much for this video. It has, for me, re-written the 'rules' on what can be achieved with skilled, careful arc welding. I have a very rusty Morris Oxford MO to restore..and had determined to do so using arc welding. I can now go forth with increased confidence and inspiration. Thank you again! Please do more videos of arc welding thin metal.
awesome! maybe goes without saying, but get all the rust off weld area. even light oiliness messes it up at this thickness. I will probably make more welding vids when I have the time- I found a good application for 6013 and want to try thin sheet metal with heat sink backing bar.
frustrating for me too, esp. when fit-up is bad. Sort of like painting or anything, if you do all the not-fun part well (clean, fit up, test piece, get comfortable, etc) it's way more forgiving :)
A trick to prevent blow holes. Weld till the last little bit and when you get a blow hole, just stop. Hose down the unit (carefully so it doesn't warp). Either air or water. Water is best as it will also chill the inside air better. Then the inside air will be chilled and you can then weld over the blow hole before the inside air has a chance to get hot enough to pressurize. In your case it doesn't matter as the top is separate from the bottom
Did you say 35 amps? How are you getting a 3/32 rod to burn at such a low amperage? I have trouble getting 1/16 6013 to burn on my little 70 amp harbor freight stick welder.
As a welding instructor you really do have a lot to learn young man about welding 6010 is known as a root rod it digs into the metal 6013 is a filler it binds the surface of the metals together
As a welding instructor you really ought to be posting a video on how to stick weld 20ga mild steel. At that point you can talk down to me about electrode selection 😉
@@luckyhowe431 Sounds like you suffered from removing all doubt, instead of keeping everyone guessing. He wasn't discussing what the rods are refered to colloquially. He was discussing thier behavior on the thin mild steel. So don't get so dramatic about being called out for trying to impress by virtue of being an instructor, without adding any true value to the discussion.
I tried to find your welding channel to see how you weld thin weld metal but I could not find it, what is the link to it. Just trying to learn from people that can do it.
You are obviously very talented and really enjoyed your video and have subscribed. With 6011, do you use the whip and pause technique? Hope you post more 😃
I definitely do whip and pause the 6011. events unfold very quickly on the 16ga steel, so the oscillations are faster than on thicker steel. What kind of vids do you want to see?
You use the 6011 on regular DCEP or do you swap the polarity for less penetration on thin walled material? In the video it wasn't clear, but you stated in the comments to whip and pause the electrode, so that's another question i had. Thank you for sharing
@Octopusbeak thanks for the response. Allow me to suggest a video on how to weld fillet or 90 degrees on thin tubing. My 90 degrees on thin tubing always look like shit and you can't really grind it neat because disc can't fit in there...
www.originalpancakebrandweldinghood.com/#home I don't want to reveal all my secrets, but I'll tell you it involved an ordinary debit card and a bending brake.
@@Octopusbeak Nice weld.. its almost impossible to find 6011 in my country, we only have 6010, 6013 and 7018 electrode.. im using yawata s13 6013 for thin steel, it work great for thin steel, its really different than normal 6013 i ever use, harder to burn hole.
This was fantastic, I've recently started teaching myself and was struggling with thin plates, definitely learning its 80% prep 20% welding
Best stick welding video for the home fabricator.
For me, this is the most amazing welding video on the whole damn internet. There's lots of welding not very thin, thin steel. There's lots of scary looking weld beads, but stick beads that look like TIG? You see, like King Arthur in Monty Python, ' I seek.......the.. Grail.'
For thirty years I've been hearing old-school stick welders talk about how they welded (thin) sheet metal mufflers, auto-bodys, etc., etc., etc., all the time, with only stick welders or even oxy-acetylene torches. I think 6011 was mentioned a few times, by name.
Here in the US, 6011 has been very common since, I believe, WWII. The mud stick or farmer's friend, it was known for field repairs involving poor fit-up (gaps), and rusty, or greasy metal. It is now well known along with 6010, for burning in root passes, for pipeline or structural welding (big/industrial). But it is a fast- freeze electrode, like 6013, and apparently the very aggressive arc will (sometimes) allow welding at unreasonably low current (for the size of the electrode).
The 3/32" is very widely available and affordable here, although any smaller sizes are very pricey and hard to find.
I'm going to try this 6011 with AC and DC. I will report back by the end of welding season.
Thanks so much, and also for the earlier link to Rapucuf.
Thanks! Keep us posted about your own experiments. Stick welding is great; TIG is usually plan C here.
I watched a guy score the sheet metal with a angle grinder with a cut off wheel then bend it to square with just a vice, a lot less welding. Thanks for the upload
that works great. the one reliable use I've found for 6013 is reinforcing outside corner bent that way, with score on outside. super smooth, good lookin' radius. on thinner matl I just use rivets ;)
❤ Just remember young one that the thinner the metal, the smaller the rod. The red 5p+-6010 is a digger. Keep going, it will all fall into place.👍
Wow great! I want to use my stick welder for autobody eork because i dont want to have to buy a mig. Your video is very encouraging. I'm impressed by your steady hand!
Awesome, thanks for this video. I finally got home, and am trying out 6010 for the first time! :) Not doing any super thin stuff, just running beads on 2mm stuff, but wow, it is so easy to see the puddle! Its a little tricky to run at 40A though so far, but at around 70 or so, its really quite fun :)
What diameter 6010? different machines treat 6010 v. differently as you are probably aware :)
@@Octopusbeak So I has been trying magmaweld 2.5mm 6010 and also cigweld 3.2mm 6010. I am using an inverter, and after a few more hours playing around, have been noticing it does not quite run it quite right. Some times it decides to go ok for a while, like 3 or 4 seconds, and then it might just stop or stick. I did find though, that running it just as if it were 7018 or 7016, though ie, no whipping but just keeping a constant close arc, it worked well on thin stuff, better than 6013 ( which seemed to want to suddenly blow holes ).
I have bought an old school arc welder which I have not collected yet, a transformer one, which I plan to use as an inductor (see th-cam.com/video/ZGvPhJZCMvY/w-d-xo.html ), and I hope that will help :)
Oh and for reference, I have an inverter, which has an OCV of around 100V as measured by a multi meter . It does not appear to run 6010 as it should. The arc seems to randomly cut out, or the rod randomly sticks.
@@pkplexing using 2nd welder as inductor is clever! Seems 6010, esp visually apparent at low amperage, will readily short the arc gap with a molten blob. I can see how having a big flywheel in the system it'd keep the current high even if the inverter didn't respond fast enough. Good luck-
@@Octopusbeak Well I picked up my el cheapo transformer welder today, and tried it out in series with the earth lead. VERY VERY COOL! :) 6010 now runs very nicely, and I can now run rods (not just 6010) at a lot lower amperage without them cutting out.. you should try it out if you have a spare transformer welder kicking around, its a big difference
Thank you so much for this video. It has, for me, re-written the 'rules' on what can be achieved with skilled, careful arc welding. I have a very rusty Morris Oxford MO to restore..and had determined to do so using arc welding. I can now go forth with increased confidence and inspiration. Thank you again! Please do more videos of arc welding thin metal.
awesome! maybe goes without saying, but get all the rust off weld area. even light oiliness messes it up at this thickness. I will probably make more welding vids when I have the time- I found a good application for 6013 and want to try thin sheet metal with heat sink backing bar.
You are 99% better than me. I'm just a beginner at stick welding and it's quite frustrating as well as fun.
frustrating for me too, esp. when fit-up is bad. Sort of like painting or anything, if you do all the not-fun part well (clean, fit up, test piece, get comfortable, etc) it's way more forgiving :)
Thank you man I was failing and failing until I saw your video and I used the settings that you used in this video and it worked.
A trick to prevent blow holes.
Weld till the last little bit and when you get a blow hole, just stop. Hose down the unit (carefully so it doesn't warp). Either air or water. Water is best as it will also chill the inside air better.
Then the inside air will be chilled and you can then weld over the blow hole before the inside air has a chance to get hot enough to pressurize.
In your case it doesn't matter as the top is separate from the bottom
that makes aluminum super soft. it weakens steel too but not so dramatically.
I had no idea you could do a aolid bead and not burn through 18 gauge 😯. Maybe wire, but definitely did not expect with stick
My expectation; because I didn't hear him state it, but it's because he was using REALLY low voltage/amperage to get by with this. E.G. @6:35.
Small 6011 on DC- is the best for thin or poor fit joints.
That's some skillful welding & thanks for the informative video.
I'm enjoying diy methods.
Live n learn.
Did you say 35 amps? How are you getting a 3/32 rod to burn at such a low amperage? I have trouble getting 1/16 6013 to burn on my little 70 amp harbor freight stick welder.
different welders act differently at the same settings. the mains supply can also make a difference. here I was using a Maxstar 161s
Solid info, thanks for the detailed explanation!
I like 6013 DCEN for thinner stuff. Havent tried 6011 though.
6013 has its place for sure. unlike any other rod
As a welding instructor you really do have a lot to learn young man about welding 6010 is known as a root rod it digs into the metal 6013 is a filler it binds the surface of the metals together
As a welding instructor you really ought to be posting a video on how to stick weld 20ga mild steel. At that point you can talk down to me about electrode selection 😉
What a drama queen, you go 😔
@@luckyhowe431 Sounds like you suffered from removing all doubt, instead of keeping everyone guessing. He wasn't discussing what the rods are refered to colloquially. He was discussing thier behavior on the thin mild steel. So don't get so dramatic about being called out for trying to impress by virtue of being an instructor, without adding any true value to the discussion.
I tried to find your welding channel to see how you weld thin weld metal but I could not find it, what is the link to it. Just trying to learn from people that can do it.
@@williamallen7836PREACH
You are obviously very talented and really enjoyed your video and have subscribed.
With 6011, do you use the whip and pause technique?
Hope you post more 😃
I definitely do whip and pause the 6011. events unfold very quickly on the 16ga steel, so the oscillations are faster than on thicker steel. What kind of vids do you want to see?
Seing you doing really well with a basic stick welder, a couple of besa-blocks and a hand-grinder opened my eyes to staying simple
Very well done in a non-professional opinion, remember safety hazards with galvanised steel!
Weldone my friend. . . Saluttttttttttt from WELDER MIG 🇮🇩❤️🔥🔥
This has to be about 16 gauge metal. Never seen stick on such light stuff before
18 ga
You use the 6011 on regular DCEP or do you swap the polarity for less penetration on thin walled material? In the video it wasn't clear, but you stated in the comments to whip and pause the electrode, so that's another question i had. Thank you for sharing
I run DCEP
@Octopusbeak thanks for the response. Allow me to suggest a video on how to weld fillet or 90 degrees on thin tubing. My 90 degrees on thin tubing always look like shit and you can't really grind it neat because disc can't fit in there...
Nice welding camshots . Can you tell me what camera you used?
samsung galaxy a13 😆
can you tell us how you made that welding "helmet" :D
www.originalpancakebrandweldinghood.com/#home
I don't want to reveal all my secrets, but I'll tell you it involved an ordinary debit card and a bending brake.
What welder brand and model are you using in that weld?
She was able to Hornswoggle a whole bunch of you folks y'all go now you hear. LMAO🤣
great work bro even i dont know how to do that.
is that a 2.6mm or 2.0mm rod you using in this video ?
2.4, prob. same as 2.6
@@Octopusbeak Nice weld.. its almost impossible to find 6011 in my country, we only have 6010, 6013 and 7018 electrode.. im using yawata s13 6013 for thin steel, it work great for thin steel, its really different than normal 6013 i ever use, harder to burn hole.
hi......vg.............what size rod ,,thanks
3/32. 2.4 mm