Just one of the many inaccuracies in this video. This should serve as a warning to never look to the internet to get accurate information on any topic. Unfortunately, the need to appear authoritative is quite often manifested among people who have no authoritative knowledge on a subject.
@@1MRBASSMAN She's literally a qualified teacher who has passed the exams needed to be one. If anything, this is a good example of the small bits of misinformation you'd probably get from one-on-one lessons with an average teacher, because teachers aren't perfect. Many of the teachers you see on youtube are teachers in real life. They aren't some how 'fake' because they make youtube videos. In a private lesson, you don't have 1000s of people watching your teacher and looking for mistakes they're making, so how do you even know if what you're learning is correct? You'd have no idea because you're the student. Same as with a book. Unless you deliberately look up any errors the book has, you'll just absorb the mis-information and not even know it. And there's the added negative of being easier to mis-interpret since it's only text. This isn't a problem with 'the internet'. This is a problem with humans, and it will probably never go away. Humans forget things, humans mis-interpret things. Not excusing it, it's just true. I don't think abandoning every single internet resource because there's some misinformation is a good idea.
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Nicely explained. Whenever I am learning a new piece, which for me generally means Baroque-era, I first drill in the basework with no ornamentation, then progressively add decoration almost like seasoning. One bad habit of mine is that when I hit a long trill, I seem to be fairly heavy-handed rather than light-and-bright. By breaking down my learning into these two phases - basic piece first, then decoration, it helps me to pick out and (hopefully) correct over-emphasis of ornamentation. One interesting feature of this is that I play on a YDP121 digital piano that has customisable touch response; when playing inventions, preludes & fugues and so forth, I often set the instrument up with a harpsichord voice and disable all touch sensitivity. This makes the piece feel more authentic and gives ornamentation more significance, because the sustain on a held note is much shorter, but I then fall back into my trap of heavy handedness. Flicking back over to touch-sensitive piano mode quickly shows that behaviour up quite emphatically.
Hello Allysia! This lesson on ornaments is truly outstanding! I have been playing now for about 9 months and I take all my lessons from multiple beginner books and classical music books, as well as from internet piano teachers (like you). I have been very happy with my progress but I never knew what those funny squiggly lines were all about, and certainly no idea on how to play or oven pronounce their names correctly. Mystery now solved! Thank you very much for making such informative videos that are geared for beginners and intermediate piano players. You are an excellent teacher!
I was looking for the like button and comment. I was a vocalist and did a thesis paper on this a few years ago. I like the way you made it accessible. My paper was a lot longer. Lol.
When the turn is written above (immediate turn) it's not necessary to keep all the 4 notes equal. In slower tempi or longer note durations, it's more like a quick turn but the last note (that lands on the written note) gets held until whatever duration fits the rhythm. Of course it's upto interpretation, if very slow turns are played with equal notes, it sometimes might not even sound like an ornamentation, rather just 4 short legato notes.
WOW! This is so amazing piano TV!!! Helped me a lot. I was really confused with these ornaments and I decided to do a self study using online materials. It's so good that I referred to this video.
Acciaccatura: think it’s pronounced something like “uh-chock-uh-tura”. I’ve heard that they and appoggiaturas are 2 kinds of grace notes, one starting before the beat and the latter on the beat. Also diatonic trills I’ve heard go up to the next scale note, so sometimes it might be a semitone apart like B to C in the key of C. Otherwise, great video!
Your lessson is very cool!:) Trying to figure out how to play Rick Wakeman's compositions - Stairway to heaven, Jerusalem, The sailor's lament, can you help?:)
I often think of turns as like quintuplets(5 notes in a single beat). The hardest thing about ornaments is when you have a trill going for like 10 bars or so. I have come across a few pieces with extremely long trills. When my right hand has to do trills and the melody at the same time, it gets all that much harder to keep my trill even, especially if I'm using my fourth and fifth fingers for the trill
I love this video, as well as this channel, but I have been looking into some of the two part inventions by Bach and have been very confused, could you perhaps give some tips on reading Bach and his different types of ornamentation and complex mordants and trills and how to play them?
For a beginner like me, this is great! But I think it would be helpful to add that Baroque trills are played differently than the Classic trills that you described, especially since you had at least one Baroque piece (Minuet in G) in your examples.
Anyone else heard Chopin's "Minute Waltz" in the background starting around 10:38? Anyway, thanks a lot for this video! Very well explained and useful. Happy Holidays!
Great tutorial - clearly explains the different ornaments. I have found extended trills very difficult. Could you do a tutorial on learning to execute extended trills well (such as the ones found in the first movements of the Clementine Sonatina # 5 and Mozart Sonata in C - K 545). Thank you so
I like trying to figure out how to play stuff on my own, and I accidentally discovered the jazz grace notes some time ago I'm now at the stage of axcitedly overusing them
Hello, i really enjoy your videos. I've been learning by myself for a few months and i think ive improved so much. Sadly, im not much into classical music but more into pop/rock/ballads and singing. Any advice you can give?, thank you again, love your channel.
Learn chords as well as the back of your hand! And don't neglect sight reading. There are lots of great pop books out there for all levels, though I will say that learning a bit of classical has the benefit of making your technique better, so I'd try not to entirely avoid it!
Amazing video, thank you. Chopin Op. 28, No 4. measure 17 brought me here. One question I got left: how do I know if I need to play diatonic or chromatic turns?
In Bach's time the inverted mordent, or "upper mordent" as you call it, was not a thing: it was simply a trill, the shortest version of which would be like your "upper mordent" except it would start above (on the upper auxiliary of) the principal note and as a result have at least four notes as a whole to land again on the principal note. This is a common misconception, even found in many later printed editions of Bach's music. It's not a huge problem, since Bach himself probably varied the ornamentation of his pieces a lot, but if you want to play "more correct" - if that matters to you - it should always be a trill starting on the upper auxiliary...
Great video, but I think that appoggiaturas are not always played as you showed. In pieces like the Alla Turca in the very beginning there is that G-A-B appoggiatura which is not played on the beat, but before it.
I have recently encountered acciaccatura placed after a long note, like a half or whole note, connected with a ‘slur’ line. The same score also has several acciaccatura notated in the typical way so these stand out. Any thoughts on how these should be played or why they are notated this way?
There is no such thing as an "upper mordent". It has become very common to interpret it that way (probably because it's easier to play), but it's incorrect. Bach gives clear examples of how to execute his ornaments. What you're calling an "upper mordent" is a short trill, starting on the auxiliary note. See the graphic in Bach's handwriting on this page: practisingthepiano.com/the-trouble-with-ornaments-part-one/ What you're describing as an "upper mordent" is called (according to C. P. E. Bach) a "Schneller" and it's always written out. This page explains the difference: books.google.com/books?id=7lHaf1qNrEgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=C.P.E.+Bach+schneller&source=bl&ots=no67KnV-uC&sig=QnPdmnRD_Th9la-znOR1AwKOwao&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHmOOW7PjeAhWni60KHXNvD78Q6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=C.P.E.%20Bach%20schneller&f=false
To be fair, our interpretation of mordents and trills have changed since the baroque era. Even how Mozart treated ornaments is different than many of the Bachs. A modern pianist seeing a short "trill" notation above a certain note will almost always process whether or not that is meant to be played as a Schneller-type ornament. I think it's also splitting hairs to criticize naming it an "upper mordent" since it has the same essential makeup as a mordent.
But how to approach trills? I can't get my trills up to speed. Any tips? Furthermore, once I've brought my trills up to speed, I want to play the Waldstein sonata. How should I practice playing a trill and the melody at the same time with the same hand? (the Hammerklavier sonata requires this on a much higher level, but I doubt I'll be trying that one anytime soon)
Include trills in your warm up and practice sessions. In your warm go as fast as you can with trills but they have to be accurate! Going fast without accuracy is useless. So go as fast you can doing them correctly.. then do slow trills.. then experiment with them in your playing. Overtime it will become a part of you where you’d be doing trills where appropriate without even thinking about it
I am not a fan of baroque nor the classical era music. I like romantic era music but the ornaments just discourages me. I'm a self taught pianist and while I know what these ornaments are, I have no idea how I can practice it. I'm trying to learn chopin's nocturne 55 no.1. I am stuck at these trills. I'm almost giving up.
Nagging again: Grace notes are first of all smaller printed notes. It can be acciaccaturas or appoggiaturas or whatever. A slash may indicate acciaccaturas, but to quote Shawn Spencer: I've heard it both ways. :-)
There's a bit of discrepancy between how you've notated the way a mordent should be played and how you actually play it. In the places where you show the actual notes that would be played, you are notating it as being played on the beat, but when you go to play it you are playing it before the beat.
![How to master trills on piano? [TUTORIAL] - Greg Niemczuk.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/PEP7WbtEVwM/mqdefault.jpg)
A diatonic trill isn't necessarily a whole step, it just goes to the next note in the relevant diatonic scale.
When she said it ... I thought the same thing as well ...
Just one of the many inaccuracies in this video. This should serve as a warning to never look to the internet to get accurate information on any topic. Unfortunately, the need to appear authoritative is quite often manifested among people who have no authoritative knowledge on a subject.
@@1MRBASSMAN She's literally a qualified teacher who has passed the exams needed to be one. If anything, this is a good example of the small bits of misinformation you'd probably get from one-on-one lessons with an average teacher, because teachers aren't perfect. Many of the teachers you see on youtube are teachers in real life. They aren't some how 'fake' because they make youtube videos. In a private lesson, you don't have 1000s of people watching your teacher and looking for mistakes they're making, so how do you even know if what you're learning is correct? You'd have no idea because you're the student. Same as with a book. Unless you deliberately look up any errors the book has, you'll just absorb the mis-information and not even know it. And there's the added negative of being easier to mis-interpret since it's only text. This isn't a problem with 'the internet'. This is a problem with humans, and it will probably never go away. Humans forget things, humans mis-interpret things. Not excusing it, it's just true. I don't think abandoning every single internet resource because there's some misinformation is a good idea.
@@BlazertronGames my guy you are speaking absolute FACTSSSSSSSSSSSS the guy youre responding to sounds absolutely miserable
Very well explained.
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Ignore me if you want but I've seen this kind of comment so much and I hate my life
Ur mum
i hate myself too, we're in this together
:3
Oh heck he's back
Thank you so much for this. I finally know how to play grace notes. It's a great method to almost play them simultaneously
Nicely explained. Whenever I am learning a new piece, which for me generally means Baroque-era, I first drill in the basework with no ornamentation, then progressively add decoration almost like seasoning. One bad habit of mine is that when I hit a long trill, I seem to be fairly heavy-handed rather than light-and-bright. By breaking down my learning into these two phases - basic piece first, then decoration, it helps me to pick out and (hopefully) correct over-emphasis of ornamentation.
One interesting feature of this is that I play on a YDP121 digital piano that has customisable touch response; when playing inventions, preludes & fugues and so forth, I often set the instrument up with a harpsichord voice and disable all touch sensitivity. This makes the piece feel more authentic and gives ornamentation more significance, because the sustain on a held note is much shorter, but I then fall back into my trap of heavy handedness. Flicking back over to touch-sensitive piano mode quickly shows that behaviour up quite emphatically.
Can you make a video on how to practice ornaments?
Hello Allysia! This lesson on ornaments is truly outstanding! I have been playing now for about 9 months and I take all my lessons from multiple beginner books and classical music books, as well as from internet piano teachers (like you). I have been very happy with my progress but I never knew what those funny squiggly lines were all about, and certainly no idea on how to play or oven pronounce their names correctly. Mystery now solved! Thank you very much for making such informative videos that are geared for beginners and intermediate piano players. You are an excellent teacher!
I'm so glad you found it helpful! :)
I agree with u too
I like the way you explain... and your playing clarifies... cheers from Vancouver!
Well done
Thank you
Thanks, teacher! Love your sense of humor!
I was looking for the like button and comment. I was a vocalist and did a thesis paper on this a few years ago. I like the way you made it accessible. My paper was a lot longer. Lol.
Great i enjoyed it a lot.
When the turn is written above (immediate turn) it's not necessary to keep all the 4 notes equal. In slower tempi or longer note durations, it's more like a quick turn but the last note (that lands on the written note) gets held until whatever duration fits the rhythm. Of course it's upto interpretation, if very slow turns are played with equal notes, it sometimes might not even sound like an ornamentation, rather just 4 short legato notes.
Nice lesson,Thanks madam.
You're awesome
This was SUPER helpful. I've been playing grave notes this whole time. Your video helped so much!
Thank god for you!
WOW! This is so amazing piano TV!!! Helped me a lot. I was really confused with these ornaments and I decided to do a self study using online materials. It's so good that I referred to this video.
I love your explanation. thank you made me smile.
Some valuable information here, thank you for sharing!
Thanks for your tips. Very helpful!
Very well done. Thanks for the clarity.
I love this video. I've taken music as a subject in high school and I'm using this video for studying. 😂it's helping a lot🇿🇦
Great explanation thank you!
Went through a couple videos and I liked yours best. Well explained.
Thanx for the enjoyable lesson!
this video is GOLD
Acciaccatura: think it’s pronounced something like “uh-chock-uh-tura”. I’ve heard that they and appoggiaturas are 2 kinds of grace notes, one starting before the beat and the latter on the beat. Also diatonic trills I’ve heard go up to the next scale note, so sometimes it might be a semitone apart like B to C in the key of C. Otherwise, great video!
This video was really useful! You rock!
This was extremely helpful!
Your lessson is very cool!:) Trying to figure out how to play Rick Wakeman's compositions - Stairway to heaven, Jerusalem, The sailor's lament, can you help?:)
Very nicely explained with good examples and good teaching . thanks it really helped me to do my test
This was very helpful thank you. .your wonderful
Thank you, I was struggling with them just today and so glad that you've made video about iit
I often think of turns as like quintuplets(5 notes in a single beat). The hardest thing about ornaments is when you have a trill going for like 10 bars or so. I have come across a few pieces with extremely long trills. When my right hand has to do trills and the melody at the same time, it gets all that much harder to keep my trill even, especially if I'm using my fourth and fifth fingers for the trill
Lovely video which I will be sharing with my students. Thanks for this.
Thank you so much!!! I am just now learning a piece by Beethoven using those. You’re truly a big help!!!
Excellent lesson! Thank you! Outtakes in the end are always entertaining.
awww shes playing minute waltz in the background how cute is shee!!!!!!!!
Tchaikovsky's 6th, 2nd mvt in the background 😍😍😍
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Great stuff! Easy to follow.
I love this video, as well as this channel, but I have been looking into some of the two part inventions by Bach and have been very confused, could you perhaps give some tips on reading Bach and his different types of ornamentation and complex mordants and trills and how to play them?
Thanks! Very useful!
For a beginner like me, this is great! But I think it would be helpful to add that Baroque trills are played differently than the Classic trills that you described, especially since you had at least one Baroque piece (Minuet in G) in your examples.
wow, upper mordent, lower mordents. I had no idea. Lol. Thank you!
Anyone else heard Chopin's "Minute Waltz" in the background starting around 10:38? Anyway, thanks a lot for this video! Very well explained and useful. Happy Holidays!
Ty
Fantastic!!!
Thank you! That was beautiful and helpful for my daughter!
Thank you for doing the video. It's very helpful
thank u for helping me with my Chopin nocturne op9 no2, and yeah i normally do the same with trills, hear to recordings hah
Funniest second of the video; 4:25 xD
Great explaining Alyssia, thank you :)
MarsLo
This is really helpfull to me, thankyou!
Thanks! You just helped a poor girl trying to study for music A level😋
Great tutorial - clearly explains the different ornaments. I have found extended trills very difficult. Could you do a tutorial on learning to execute extended trills well (such as the ones found in the first movements of the Clementine Sonatina # 5 and Mozart Sonata in C - K 545). Thank you so
Thanks a lot for this video
It really helpful to me
I like trying to figure out how to play stuff on my own, and I accidentally discovered the jazz grace notes some time ago
I'm now at the stage of axcitedly overusing them
Hi! Can you make a video on how to practice ornaments on the piano please? Thanks :)
Hello, i really enjoy your videos. I've been learning by myself for a few months and i think ive improved so much. Sadly, im not much into classical music but more into pop/rock/ballads and singing. Any advice you can give?, thank you again, love your channel.
Learn chords as well as the back of your hand! And don't neglect sight reading. There are lots of great pop books out there for all levels, though I will say that learning a bit of classical has the benefit of making your technique better, so I'd try not to entirely avoid it!
Thanks a lot for this video, really useful
Thanks for the video! It would be great if you could show the notation when you show you playing on the keyboard. 😊
im playing that haydn piece rn, so this video was needed!
best video on trills
Excellent 👌
Great explanation!
the correct pronunciation for acciaccatura is something like "accha-katoorah" ;)
Christian Prinoth wow... *speechless*
Christian Prinoth no it’s ‘aki-acka’tura’
*Accio wand*
Thank you :)
thank you so much...
This was such a great video!
Amazing video, thank you. Chopin Op. 28, No 4. measure 17 brought me here. One question I got left: how do I know if I need to play diatonic or chromatic turns?
Trill
Mordant 06:04
Turn 07:01
Acciactura 11:53
Appogiacura 10:23
Thank you very much love you
Thamk you for this!
the ending was funny. sounds like me trying to setup a recording.
this channel is awesome
I love this video
Very well explained! Thanks. On the side note, your blog post is not available.... 'Page not found'.
In Bach's time the inverted mordent, or "upper mordent" as you call it, was not a thing: it was simply a trill, the shortest version of which would be like your "upper mordent" except it would start above (on the upper auxiliary of) the principal note and as a result have at least four notes as a whole to land again on the principal note.
This is a common misconception, even found in many later printed editions of Bach's music. It's not a huge problem, since Bach himself probably varied the ornamentation of his pieces a lot, but if you want to play "more correct" - if that matters to you - it should always be a trill starting on the upper auxiliary...
Great video, but I think that appoggiaturas are not always played as you showed. In pieces like the Alla Turca in the very beginning there is that G-A-B appoggiatura which is not played on the beat, but before it.
I think you're confusing appoggiaturas with acciccaturas in Turkish March. It's explained later in the video
thank you~ :D
You look gorgeous and your channel has evolved so much since I last visited! Congratulations on your good work!
Thanks, that's nice to hear! :)
This may be off topic but I noticed when you hummed you have quite a nice voice. Do you do any videos of you singing? Also,, we miss seeing your cat.
I don't have any singing videos! But my old band has an album from 2012 online somewhere... :)
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Are ornaments sometimes outside the key or scale you are playing in?
I have recently encountered acciaccatura placed after a long note, like a half or whole note, connected with a ‘slur’ line. The same score also has several acciaccatura notated in the typical way so these stand out. Any thoughts on how these should be played or why they are notated this way?
Great video, play more of the Haydn!
There is no such thing as an "upper mordent".
It has become very common to interpret it that way (probably because it's easier to play), but it's incorrect.
Bach gives clear examples of how to execute his ornaments. What you're calling an "upper mordent" is a short trill, starting on the auxiliary note. See the graphic in Bach's handwriting on this page: practisingthepiano.com/the-trouble-with-ornaments-part-one/
What you're describing as an "upper mordent" is called (according to C. P. E. Bach) a "Schneller" and it's always written out.
This page explains the difference: books.google.com/books?id=7lHaf1qNrEgC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=C.P.E.+Bach+schneller&source=bl&ots=no67KnV-uC&sig=QnPdmnRD_Th9la-znOR1AwKOwao&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjHmOOW7PjeAhWni60KHXNvD78Q6AEwAXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=C.P.E.%20Bach%20schneller&f=false
To be fair, our interpretation of mordents and trills have changed since the baroque era. Even how Mozart treated ornaments is different than many of the Bachs. A modern pianist seeing a short "trill" notation above a certain note will almost always process whether or not that is meant to be played as a Schneller-type ornament. I think it's also splitting hairs to criticize naming it an "upper mordent" since it has the same essential makeup as a mordent.
excelente
But how to approach trills? I can't get my trills up to speed. Any tips? Furthermore, once I've brought my trills up to speed, I want to play the Waldstein sonata. How should I practice playing a trill and the melody at the same time with the same hand? (the Hammerklavier sonata requires this on a much higher level, but I doubt I'll be trying that one anytime soon)
Include trills in your warm up and practice sessions. In your warm go as fast as you can with trills but they have to be accurate! Going fast without accuracy is useless. So go as fast you can doing them correctly.. then do slow trills.. then experiment with them in your playing. Overtime it will become a part of you where you’d be doing trills where appropriate without even thinking about it
Excellent vid!!! Thank you for all your work 🤗(even Chopin approves 😜)
Why do you have the music playing in the background ?
The last minute of the video though lol
I am not a fan of baroque nor the classical era music. I like romantic era music but the ornaments just discourages me. I'm a self taught pianist and while I know what these ornaments are, I have no idea how I can practice it. I'm trying to learn chopin's nocturne 55 no.1. I am stuck at these trills. I'm almost giving up.
'start slow then build up speed'... that's how I do it.
Nagging again: Grace notes are first of all smaller printed notes. It can be acciaccaturas or appoggiaturas or whatever. A slash may indicate acciaccaturas, but to quote Shawn Spencer: I've heard it both ways. :-)
Thank you, this will definitely help my sax plahing
There's a bit of discrepancy between how you've notated the way a mordent should be played and how you actually play it. In the places where you show the actual notes that would be played, you are notating it as being played on the beat, but when you go to play it you are playing it before the beat.
Hey Ally nice explaintion good.. SolomonY
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how to define Acciaccatura/grace note should play on/before the beats?