This junior doctor left the NHS for Australia, here’s why…
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- As BMA research suggests two thirds of junior doctors have “actively researched” leaving the NHS, we speak to a junior doctor who moved to Australia with more than 15 of her NHS colleagues and friends #uk #politics #ukpolitics #doctorsoftiktok #nhs
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Doctors, Pharmacist, Nurses should be paid 80K. MPs should be paid 24K. Let’s see what happens then.
Then you'd have the expenses corruption among your goons , for example, you'd have Socialists flying business class on planes rather than sit with their voter in standard class.
My cousin works for NHS. he is a specialist and he get €34k a year. Nurse with 20 years of experience get €24 a year. He said he feels guilty and everydays is like sinning against the poor and dying brits. They have to wait months to get appointment and only 10 minutes per patients is allowed. Plus, they can only take care of one problem per visit. If you have cancer and BP. You'll have to choose which one should treat first and wait for months to get appointment again for the other. He explained not to believe the internet. UK has the worst health care amongst the poor countries and there is no way NHS can compete against rich and developing countries.
Liverpool is full of poverty. Only thriving business are cheap Chinese food (brits bearly affords them) and endless pawn shops. He plans on moving to rich country like the US in 2024.
@@FellaHAILIRAwhat specialist? He sound like band 5 mid grade because bottom of band 6 is 35k
If you put MPs on these salaries. Corruption in government will be rampant
@@MrsSneaker - Corruption has existed in conservatives since the dawn of British politics.
Imagine being the smartest people in your peer group. You study to become a doctor and your starting salary is 23k. Why would you remain lol
Thank you
It’s a disgrace
Leave its not about salary
@@MM2009 course it is. You can't live in the UK on 26k a year lol. I don't expect nurses and doctors to work for free. That's Communstist ideology.
@@kincaidwolf5184Plenty do.
Somebody correct me if I am mistaken. Junior doctors get paid roughly 14£/hour and they have: 1. Debt from uni 2. Unbelievable high fees for mandatory courses and exams. Basic salary in the UK is 10.42£/h, isn't it? That's really a disgrace!
Taxpayers paying for her training? Medical courses are not free in the UK and these students have to get £100,000+ student loans that they have to pay back. These are A+ students dedicating a decade of their lives to train in medicine then start a salary of £24,000 to work in a very stressful profession dealing with life and death with thousands of vacancies. People who comment like these do not know a thing about working in the NHS.
Also they forget, who provides the training? Other doctors. We actually have to work longer hours when we have students to take the time to train them (which is unpaid) plus students see patients and summarise their cases to speed up the processes in some respects aka unpaid labour. Students should be paid in their later clinical years for sure as they are actually working (whilst learning). The idea that the taxpayer loses out by having medical students at hospitals is quite ridiculous.
@@lightweightben is the “lightweight” in your name a reference to your intelligence or your education?
@@ascgazz you’re an incredibly rude person
Yeah, you're right. The whole "we pay for their training" is a total lie.
@@lightweightbenspot on! I’ve seen too many medical students on the ward taking bloods, one took bloods from 7 patients in a single morning. If they hired a phlebotomist they would have paid a half day’s salary just for that!
Today we had the obscene situation when a BBC interviewer earning over £250,000 a year tell Dr Sharma, head of BMA, that the NHS should have lots of underpaid consultants (£90-120k, but less if we had more if them) instead of paying them properly. The oberpaid BBC interviewer also told a lie, that BMA had blocked attempts to recruit more doctors, which was not retracted by him. And they are paid over £250,000!
Well done, you made the right decision❤
Also do your research about Australia, Australia is not everything as it seems
Doctors deserve £100 an hour when u pay enough to your employees to survive, they become loyal 💯 to you simple facts.
LOLZ. At a certain point money doesn't do a thing for you. Ya think people dying is any easier if you drive a posh car? I hate it when people say 'facts'.
Doctor can make those house calls quicker in their Bugatti....tax deductible.
My dad gets £250 an hour now he used to even work for free when he was a junior doctor just to gain experience and climb up the pay ladder, some of these doctors need to just try gain more experience and higher wages… but I can’t blame them for wanting to move abroad cause there are much higher wages for doctors abroad esp junior docs
Meanwhile the nhs is draining places like Thailand of their nurses etc, to the detriment of Thailand as they have a huge shortage, but as nurses can earn 6 times the salary in the uk theyre obvioudly keen to come
Thailand???
India, Africa , south-east asia...
Some of them wanna go back tho.
I've seen doctors who left Egypt for the NHS, go back shortly after arriving and seeing what the NHS is like
that money wont do you any good if you factor in the cost of living, and whatever the uk is doing to its health System.
6 times the salary before tax not so after uks huge tax and bills ..Living in the UK is a trap
This is why we need to get the taxes we're owed from corporations, and strip the mega rich of wealth they won't even use in a thousand lifetimes. Get the money and power back from the 1%.
The poltical class is stealing your wealth, add all taxes in Australia middle class pay it 50% - 70%
. Depends what you buy like a luxury car
Doesn’t work like that
That's a pity, but the UK will just get another from some other poorer country. That's how it works.
but still immigrants would choose to leave anyway especially if they learn that the pay is better on the other country.
She is beautiful.
And level minded.
Definitely Australia’s gain.
How’s she affording that at 23 on a nurses wane though?
@@ascgazz
She is a doctor, not a nurse
@@lv3609 still, her pay would be the same as a barista…
Drs aren’t striking for fun..
@@ascgazz
ok.
Are you talking UK junior Dr wages, or Australia’s junior Dr wages?
If Australian baristas’ wage is high enough to have a decent living, I would go. For the adventure, for the better climate, for the lifestyle, great beaches, different living conditions than current UK presents, …
However, she is going to have my baby. She is taken and please stay away from her.
Meanwhile rishi gives himself 6% bump along with doctors
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Other countries basically pay better so you move away. My sister is an eye specialist surgeon she stayed put as she loves the work and helping people. Also that she loves home too much. But I know of many friends who have gone to Australia and even the middle east
Also train tickets so much expensive. Fr Kent to London Victoria. Almost 6 k a year. Who's gonna afford. 1 months. This country so expensive to live
Shes more successful then the people in the comments abd it shows lol
I can see a lot of gammons that will descend on these threads soon displaying all their vitriol and ignorance, proving why little england it screwed.
I'm also stressed because she is the future baby mama of my baby, please don't give her any more stress. I want to have a healthy baby mama.
Bang on - lots of jealous, football and magaluf loving chavs in these comments
If staff keeps quitting NHS then, NHS will be doomed.
You mean it's not doomed already?
More IMGs will be inducted
Nope, because we end up with docs from bangladesh and india
@@AG-so4gl
UK need to fix the education system. Doctors grow and get older then needs to be replaced, NHS can't get new ones if education system spends more money educating and campaigning about LGBTQ which is immaterial, instead the Education system should spend money to campain about future, becoming educated for the nation infact this help solve the immigration problem, because then UK won't need immigrants if UK has enough domestic skilled workers.
The British politicians are really out of their senses, by allowing investment bankers making an inordinate amount of money a lot of times in the expense of ill informed investors. Most of us would weigh the contributions thst foctors make to the society in doctors favour.
If you are ill informed don’t become an investor 🤯
@@hmwh4t Not me
It is either:
* "Theres too much work to do we are stressed"
* or "it's a stressful job because we are constantly around death".
Workload-
How does giving them more money help with the workload?
If there's too much work to do, you need more hands to help you reduce it.
Too get more hands you either pump more money into the NHS by removing it from somewhere else, or you cut consultants and top management pay and use the money to hire more hands.
Death-
By giving these doctors more money these doctors will all of a sudden become immune to death? Or telling people they are going to die? How does that work?
If they want their payrise match it with whatever the mps got. They'll probably get that.
(And See all our taxes go up in this cost of living crisis)
Just one thing anyone heading to warmer climates should think about. Other very well educated people are telling these very well educated people and us other less educated people that the world is on fire and getting worse. So now this leads me to think that there is something wrong with all this. Doctors be careful where you go it could literally back FIRE.
Why is it she doesn't get called an immigrant but when an African come to the UK for the same thing we say they are immigrants ?
Westerners prefer to be called expats
Because she doesn't do it illegally
It is racism.
I don't think you understand English. Your legal status does not change whether you are immigrant or not. You should consider learning the language so people do not confuse you for a racist bigot.
@@jrr3613 Not really. The UK and Australia have a shared history, monarchy, language, and culture. They're very similar countries. If anything, she's an expat
I don't blame her one bit
How many earn enough before they pay back t he loan. You know the profession you choose to work in very sad today especially for the iill it hass been said many lack empathy colleagues talking amongst themselves or doing much of anything eating on the job scruffy dirty uniform cover ups the NHS needs a huge clean up very sad today no doubt some truly great nurses out there
You are the Dr and you have to face every state in your medical field with the patient if someone is facing pain the you have to morally and that every thing will be fine we Dr will cure you and keep moving with your field..
Some doctors I see in Australia seem like they have no training at all. Too many times I come across doctors that should not be doctors.
Considering how the U.K. has poached doctors and nurses, it’s interesting to have the shoe on the other foot.
How does it feel to lose those we desperately need, stop the brain drain and at the very least, wipe the student debt clean.
You know the Euro health system isn't good but the ( All private american) system isn't good either...
What system are you referring to when you say “Euro system”? Every European country has very different health care systems
Surely she knew that people died?
How did junior doctors make it work financially 50 years prior to this?
They were paid more in real terms before, accommodation was free, meals were free, parking was free, becoming a Consultant/GP was faster, there was no student debt and other fees were no where near as high as they are now (exam fees, royal college fees, GMC registration fees etc.).
@@TheMaster47x I consider my question answered. Its so much work, dedication and responsibility to earn less an hour than somone at pret would get. I fully support them and the nurses.
@@user-oy3yo7qe6o pret pays £14.10 an hour junior doctors get £14.09. That sounds like they earn more at pret. But I mean you know. 😏
Don't move here unless you want to be here.
Aren’t you both lovely individuals
@@Gaz19878 so untrue can confirm its 10000x better our here im not returning ahahah
Get a grip, Sheila 🤡
We miss you!
if i were she i would leave. that money is not for medical pros.
Day to day for one decade or two or three makes many say its not worth it...Especially when they all figure out what really happened to the good ones...
That's what happens when u disrespect *YOUR CUSTOMER*
NHS is finished
Can't wait to leave
Come here to BC, Canada - we have a chronic shortage! Canadian authorities appear to making immigration fairly easy. I did it and I'm not a doctor.
How long do you drive the trucks for Jim?
@@chachu.whiskey As long as it takes.
Canada limits the number of foreign doctors quite strictly, it can be done but it’s FAR easier to go New Zealand or Australia (source: a junior doctor who’s looked into my options)
Thank you for the invite mate. As well as immigration there are issues specific to the profession itself as well. In CAN there are more hurdles, for example a GP/family physician has to do all CAN GP exams and other specialties have to go through the whole training/residency again but in AUS/NZ you don't have to as UK training is recognised. This has nothing to do with competency of doctor but a political choice to limit doctors for a variety of reasons. Having said this some doctors do come to CAN, I suppose they have strong pull factor, but not nearly as much as AUS/NZ.
@@johnlock1605 Interesting, thank you. Canada needs to be more like Australia. Can't understand why a qualified doctor in the UK can't just walk in without the need for more exams etc. It makes no sense.
She's so pretty 😍
Part of yr jobs same as me. DRs on strike disgusting
You are HIGHLY intellegent... why not come to SouthAfrica.
Rape, murder,robbery and she's just starting
UK government is too money orientated.
Generally v.envious of extremely wealthy foreigners.
I respect doctors, I need them I want them to be the highest paid. Stop the bullst pay them. Stop financing unproductive people.
Well, we can only do what we can.
Yr choice, few others following. Times said, after the cost of living oz nz drs r no better off
Ffs, ditch the vocal fry
Try being a soldier on half the pay at 18
Soldiers dont have debts from greedy academic institutions to pay. Doctors have to pay the highest out of any degree. Alot of doctors have to pay for private tutoring sessions as it is the hardest degree you can study and in most countries requires the highest achievements in school studies to even be able to study the degree.
@moviesynopsis001 Ah boo hoo what a shame poor bairns . So your saying all student doctors are dirt poor .Can you proove this .Because when I see the hospital staff car park in the morning .The only cars over one year old are vintage or classics ????
She was a poor student with no money at 18.
@davidc4408 What from a middle class family lol .The bank of mummy and daddy .Poor students .Try student night on Wednesday in the pubs
@@TEMPLAR969 You think everything is free? Parents provide home to live and eat. Still need get part time jobs to buy car for sixth form or university . Pay other expenses. Your 18 not 23 to late 20`s like most doctors
In 5 years salary doubles and then some. Restoration?. What about every other industry. Your not special. Think bigger picture
...never planned on coming to Australia.
Millions of venemous animals in Australia b like: oi what's wrong with Australia m8! Sure its hot sometimes...
what about the spiders?
Stressful but not short of finances 😂
Its all going as planned if you cant see it your blind
But educations free in the UK, what do you mean you have to pay for exams?
After University, Doctors have to pay for their training college every year, courses, exams, conferences, annual indemnity, annual professional registration, most pay for union, your work equipment (stethoscope etc), a few journal subscription every year so you keep up to date. You need to attend enough courses/conferences to get you enough evidence of development for you annual appraisals. You’ll usually need to also pay for exam related courses and exam preparation material like question banks.
All the socialists in the United States who support Universal Healthcare should see this 😂😂😂 This is what happens when government runs anything
The UK is not a good example. Look elsewhere
@@Gypsum179 The UK is a perfect example. The only reason you are denying it is because you know it proves socialism wrong.
Hopefully she likes spiders
Spiders > chavs
Uk prioritises people that comes on boats instead of high education, high importance medical people, who worked their whole life to make a country better.
The people coming on boas get frick all and the junior doctors get an insultinglt small amount but the competition between these two is manufactured by media - you wanna look at the super rich, that's who we're *all* competing with.
Britain has people dying on the streets as homelessness is rising and has people dying in hospitals and a lot of those who seek treatment in British hospitals cannot afford to pay for the Medicaid bills.
Yet the british government shelves out millions of pounds every single year to house migrants in 4 and 5 star hotels while their citizens are suffering.
Very strange country.
I also hear that they are given caviar as starter before each meal, which is washed down with champagne. After this holiday of staying in 5 star hotels they are given deeds to mansions of their choosing to live. I am thinking of leaving UK and purchase a dingy boat in France and make the trip myself to UK and fake an asylum claim surely it would be worth it. Do you want to come with?
@@jrr3613 Good lad, spread the word we need more people to join to make this dingy so overcrowded so that a breeze could capsize it. We got to be convincing enough. You don't get those juicy benefits without some risk.
Is she really a Dr??? Doesn't look it... And did she qualify a year early 😅
We qualify at 23, Rahul...
I'm definitely sure she is my baby mama.
@@colephelps7816 do "we"?? I'm British and everyone i know who did medicine had a six year degree from 18-24
@@rahuldahoob it’s 5-6 years depending on if you intercalate or not
Very poor perception you have.
Take the money from the senior dr’s pay who are filthy rich neglecting their patients
doctors, nurses and dentists have been doing this for DECADES.
In the wider context of things, this is 25% exodus of UK medics in one year. All in one go. A snub to UK government and its people. A middle finger also.
@@mikesmith8313 if you see other people’s desire to thrive as a finger held up to you, you’re a sad cnut.
I see it as a glowing neon sign that the tories have UTTERLY and MISERABLY failed to run the country in a way people want to live.
What say you?
Hahahaha good luck to all of the junior doctors thinking they can easily move to Australia! You can’t as a junior doc! Further more, even as a registrar, the amount of money it costs to move fully its tens of thousands of pounds! Haha!
but the one in this video literally just did.
I had 3 out of the 9 doctors on my rota go to Australia and new Zealand last rotation (so within 4 months of each other), the rotation before my hospital had 6 friends all go to Australia together.
So did she pay the taxpayer back for all her training?
we pay at least £80/month payin back our 95k debt
You want to do your jobs
23 is a good starting point for stage 1 but stage 3 and 4 are on 90 grand but they are striking aswel shame on you
It’s called being a responsible adult … welcome to the real world!
Lol… if you bought your own house and didn’t have to get a mortgage for 10x your annual salary then I invite you respectfully withdraw from commenting on issues that don’t affect you. Thank you.
@@musitecture.vienna my comment stands then …
@@ulazygit fair enough. Household budgeting should certainly be taught in schools, it’s scandalous how many people rely on debt to maintain their monthly outgoings. Still, it’s a fact that a disproportionate amount of the UK‘s wealth is locked into the property market, and by denying younger generations access to home ownership will come back and bite the UK economy hard during a downturn.
@@musitecture.vienna when you’ve cut everything debt becomes a necessity.
I just admit as a junior doctor I’m in my overdraft this month and I have debt in the form of a car loan (because I HAD to have a car to get to work and I don’t earn enough to buy one outright). Don’t really see how it can be helped if I’m honest. Registration fees were due to month, rent is expensive, bills are expensive, I did a row of nights which really messes up food intake so slipped up and bought a takeaway.
Incoming comments from the labour class...
She doesn't mention once she's completed her training & apprenticeship, she's guaranteed an £80,000-£100,000+ salary for the next 40 years... Stop whinging & whining....
You didn't mention that the "training and apprenticeship" (being a registrar is not an apprenticeship - apprentices do not make life and death decisions independently) is ~15 years long and costs over £100,000 to complete.
Also, our consultants are underpaid - £100k for a neurosurgeon? Does that seem reasonable? Other countries don't think so and that's why our doctors are leaving.
Bullshit!! "Junior doctors" have a minimum debt of 55K for their 6 yr degree. Not all are middle-class, living off Bank of Mum & Dad so they also have the 35K Student loan on top of the tuition fees... As middle-income earners for the first decade that Graduate Tax immediately gets taken straight back by the government. So, many of them drop out of training in full-time NHS work, in order to pick up locum work. Alternatively the lower middle-class students & working class ones just quit UK a.s.a.p. unless they already have children. Only the elite full-time (i.e. 44 hrs/week) Senior doctors earn 100K per annum. Most female senior doctors do not work full time for fairly obvious reasons! 🤔 Those who train part time whilst having children don't reach senior grade until 36-38 yrs at earliest. Almost none of these women work full time.
Ben, you are at room temperature IQ levels.
Stop whinging
She's 23, what else does she know?
Shes a psychopath and doesn't care about the patients. Full of it. Absolutely full of her own selfishness.
U stop wingeing. U should pay her enough so she can treat ur brain cancer
@@Roof_Pizzawhen did Dr's in the UK start qualifying at 23??
@@means_of_production7807 maybe she could pay back tax payer money in the U.K. that helped her to become a doctor
Good luck! Do we want flakey young female doctors in the NHS? Of course we don’t, and they’ll have a far easier time in Australia, and won’t have to work that hard. Then of course, there are all those Barbie parties, and the possibility of marrying an Aussie, and spending a fortune travelling back and forth to the homeland, all that sun and developing an Aussie accent………
What isn’t there to like!
Not as if you didn't know what the job entails.
But hey go make your fortune in Australia...hope you pay the NHS back the money us taxpayers have paid for you to be trained first.
All doctors, surgeons have to pay the huge amount of money taken to train you, if not you should be sued.
You definitely sound like a Tory and the type of person she's escaping. Good luck to her. I trust Australia will welcome her with open arms, unlike little england.
Tax payers paid for her medical training and now she is in Australia being a doctor there. Striking for 4 days is irresponsible
Underpaying and overworking medical staff if more irresponsible. I do hope you visit an NHS hospital soon to better understand what it is you’re saying. Looking at your comments on this video and others it appears you’re trying to spread a lot of misinformation.
Uh, she's the one paying....
Missing the point.
So we trained her from our taxes and she fks off to nowhere land? Ffs
That’s what you do to other countries, see how it feels?
@@Robertsmith001 we have the right to do so though! We civilised all those peoples over the years, if it wasn’t for us most of the world would still be in freakin caves! Therefore THEY owe us. FACT
@@user-lz8ci6ec3t that most of you never pay back eh. I suggest you stop striking and pack your bags and go sign up to the Australian health system, you’re not any use to us here if you’re not working. We will get by without you. FACT
@@Klown84 The UK robbed and stole for hundereds of years. If it was so great, why are these countries suffering with major amounts of poverty in their populations during and after british occupation?
Being an M.D myself, if your smart you must know when your a slave with invisible chains!good for them
Why become a doctor then? All this women wants is more money. If you care to treat patients then become a doctor. If its hard to pay bills, then everyone is in the same boat. Doctors are not special in this case.
As long as she's paid back for any training she may have received. Then she's free to go wherever she likes.
But like others have said, it's our loss.
I don't understand why everyone is hung up on this myth of training costs for doctors that are highly inflated. Do people realise that a great deal of things used in society is subsidised for public good for example all university students are subsidised to a degree. What about services an individual does not use or hasn't used but gets taxed on, say schools/public transport/social care etc. So why do doctors have to "pay back". What about doctors whom UK pinches from poor countries that could ill afford it?
Asking for 35% pay rise around 20k and striking for 4 days when salary will rise year on year to nearly 60bk after 5 years. There are many professions with student debts and stressful job such as teaching , nursing but they are not striking for 4 days. Totally irresponsible. Get back to work
Do you know how much debt she may have to pay back as student loans?
@@dremmanuelnwogu she knew that before she decided to become a doctors. Many professionals are paying of student debts. Maximum tuition fee is around 9k a year . It cost a lot more then that to train people as doctors so it is funded partially by tax payers and bursery . Let’s stop making excuses and trying to justify there 4 day strike . They need to get back to work to save lives and stop asking for 35% pay rise and negotiate with the government. Downing your tools and asking for 35% is not how you go about trying to resolve the dispute. They are losing public support fast
@@equalitypeace1695 do you know how many immigrant doctors work for the NHS?
How many of them were asked by their home countries to payback for their training before travelling to the UK?
What you and many others are doing is simply emotional blackmail, and it’s very common to blackmail health professionals
Bullship. Once your qualified you earn more. Especially if you do nights and weekends.
Government troll..
Thought so..
@@propagandaisnottrue2121 You're proper thick mate. Tell me what's not true in my comment. You can't. Because I fact check before I speak.
@@grahambiggs2017 your a troll..
Get a life kid..
I’m an NHS consultant surgeon. I get paid an extra 5% over my base salary for all the weekday overnights and 72hr Friday-Sunday on call weekends. I’d happily give up that 5% and not be on call ever. You have no idea what nonsense you’re saying.
@jerome_morrow Did someone force you into this position. NO. You decided to become a doctor. WHY? Because its good money and easy work. The fact you'd give up 5% says you got too much money. The fact you don't like being on call shows you don't care about sick people. It's just about ££££. You lot got it cushy. Once a year you lot should spend a week in winter doing outdoor manual labour and forced to live on £10 an hour.
Go, this job is for higher reasons not for salary. Also you are not yet a doctor, you are a trainee. Act like one. Everyone worked for shitty salary after uni, stressed and long hours you are not the only one. Go and good luck.
We literally train for 6 years plus to enter the role, during that time we work for free, we’ve ALREADY been trainees. We need to be paid adequately don’t be so dense.
@Chloe-hx1pz you like it or not you are a trainee, medic in specialisation training and when you manage your PhD you will be able to call yourself a Doctor.
Dense? No, you are dense thinking that after reading a few books and passing a few exams you are capable anything and to earn 100k ! Back in my time they were calling us " a lot to learn and a lot to proof " before we were allowed to use any titles, your generation is greedy and brazen. The worst, in 99.9999% cases, patients' opinion about "doctors" in training is " complete waste of time, what was the point I came here? This person was completely clueless and knew less than me about medicine... " all you do is shake your sleeve to see what diagnosis comes out, the rest is confidence face or Indian social status way of talking (convince them you know better because you are a doctor, they can't know any better..) You are paid adequately for what you are. You don't like it? leave. Plenty of opportunities out there, and a lot higher ladders to step on compared with UK. Go to Russia they pay very well on there.
no we already have Dr in our name thanks x
@@TamaEnergy Really? how come you cant work elsewhere with that "Dr" in your name? apart from the NHS? ahh yes, because you are not a doctor without specialisation and PhD! Wake up you only have MD so I wouldnt pay you any more than a graduate with Masters degree 24k-27k thats what UK offers. Title doesn't make you a Doctor, believe me most in the NHS clueless as fck compared with European Doctors which in most cases have Phd Habilitation and at least 2-3 specialisations.
@@ByFaithCOGto enter the role in foundation year 1&2 training after you graduate hence you are still a junior so OP is right more or less bar any technicalities.
Reality is Aus doesn’t pay their junior doctors much more - by the time you factor in tax/cost of living/currency conversion barely anything in it. Supply and demand also applies - how many junior doctors do you think Aus needs - they employ a third of the doctors the Uk has. Off you go - doesn’t justify the NHS paying out 35% pay rises.
So tax payers paid for her education and expensive medical training in the U.K. and then she goes off to Australia to be a doctor there so they benefit . That’s completely wrong . This needs to be addressed and put a stop to . If you want to go abroad and be a doctors then you need to pay for your own medical degree and training . Striking for 4 days is irresponsible and putting peoples lives in danger and they will lose public support very fast. The police are not allowed to strike so why are doctors allowed . Strike for one day and make your point but 4 days is just being aggressive. You took an oath to save lives when you became a doctor and yo need to honour that rather then us seeing doctors singing outside hospitals
Exactly, makes no sense. If we’re paying to train them we should at least pay them enough to keep them, so they don’t want to leave
Paying medical staff less than minimum wage as they’re technically students or apprentices is the real crime. Direct your anger towards those that manufactured this situation and not those on the receiving end.
why should doctors have low pay to subsidise your demand for cheap healthcare? doctors are leaving because of your demands that they act like martyrs, what a muppet you are
@@thomasbradford6434 junior doctors are getting paid 30k a year after graduating and rising to 60k after 5 years . They knew what they were getting into when they decided to become doctors and now they are singing outside hospitals striking for 4 days whilst patients are suffering inside the hospital
@@suzannasteward1067 police officers are not allowed to strike in this country so why are doctors allowed to strike . They took a oath to save peoples lives when they decided to become a doctor now they are putting peoples lives at risk . It’s time this useless government sorted this mess out . Any new student going into medicine should sign a contract that says they will not be able strike . If they don’t then they can find themselves another career where they can strike.
That also happens in Australia. Everywhere. Death and dying is a part of life. So if they had any respect or regards for the NHS then they wouldn't leave.
Why?
Because she had the money to do it
It’s literally free - the Australian government pays for flights and the visa too. So no your argument is invalid
There are companies poaching British doctors- they help with EVERYTHING.
Great stuff. I hope the UK government wastes £200k on every doctor's training just for them to pack up with their skills and move abroad for higher wages 🤣
It's a loan not a gift bro. My baby mama in this video will have to pay it back after she delivers our healthy baby and goes back to work.
@@chachu.whiskey What a creep and sexist.
@@chachu.whiskey you need a fucking restraining order, not a kid.
We pay back FAR more then we borrow for student loans because of the ridiculous amount of interest.
The ‘training’ consists of PAYING to work for the NHS. It’s hardly training anymore, the last 3 years have been especially bad.
boo hoo
Junior Doctors earn more than 80 % of the country. How do you think anyone is surviving right now?
These rats have spent more money on signs than I have food this year.
your American lol move
yes because they work 70 hour weeks including night shifts and on calls :)
@@chidozietoplis9960 no way hahahaha classic
😂😂😂 Junior docs work harder than 99 percent of the country
@@f9oeks965 hahaha
Nope.
At the end of the day they get payed better than most and brag so much about how they care about they’re patients I’m starting to see somewhat a double standard they are saying how they aren’t giving us people the proper care because they’re wage isn’t good enough well I’m sorry that’s not taking any level of care for the patient that’s you being greedy and wanting more why should we as a public sector pay higher taxes to pay you beggars more money if you don’t want to properly take care of us when we need it people need to wake up and fast the public are being mugged right off and we ain’t doing a single thing also not a single person forced these people to do what they are doing it’s a choice you made a choice and that’s you’re fault plenty of other career paths these so called beautiful care giving money grabbers could’ve chosen that would’ve payed them the money they think they deserve instead they’re threatening to move to Australia cool goodbye
It was quite amusing reading what you have written. If say a large number of doctors and other health workers take your advice and leave NHS and say there is no NHS because they all took your advice. Can you tell me what you will do when you have a heart attack, stroke, serious infection like sepsis or need a surgery? Right now some people who can see a NHS dentist and can't afford private dentist have used pliers and pulled their own teeth out. Would you consider this as an option?
Have you ever thought about it that the person who is really robbing you is the rich, through successive corrupt governments, this one being a good example, by selling things at high mark up or stuff that does not work like PPE. Are you aware of billions that pharmaceutical companies make from NHS and that their R&D is heavily subsidised by taxpayers through universities and research centers?
@@johnlock1605 listen you muppet if I was to catch anything life threatening I would simply die like I would with the shoddy health care we supposedly get I payed the nhs 30,000 pounds to replace my entire jaw line right as Covid hit and am still waiting for the work I paid for to be done so you my friend have just amused me with you very limited outlook on the scum that are the nhs I have private health care package with the company I work for and intend on sticking with them the nhs are useless
@@johnlock1605 so yes I have pulled my own teeth out with pliers and if I was to have a heart attack I’d probably die so in a nutshell I’d do nothing fair play for trying to make me look silly but I’m afraid it won’t happen
@@mikehazell1448 you made yourself look silly. I only showed you what your thoughts mean if it becomes reality. NHS dentistry is dead except for a few places and look the havoc it is making for average people. I wish they had striked and won so people don't do what they do now. It amazes me that some, although a minority would think that the problem is that health and care staff demanding better pay and working conditions but not the government that has gutted these services. A government of the rich for the rich. If your solution is to hope that you won't have a heart attack then I pity you. Maybe you also hope your gran doesn't fall and breaks a hip or your son/daughter/neice/nephew doesn't develop meningitis or your parents/uncles/aunts doesn't develop cancer. I suggest you have a serious think how you view the world around and realise that working people's fight is our fight and not be divided and ruled by the rich.
@@johnlock1605 don’t look silly what so ever I’m just not going to sit here worrying about what could happen because then I’d be like you SCARED and that’s one thing I’m not I’m blessed enough to not have to rely on the nhs system as like I stated I have private health care should me my partner or son need it it’s there I’m sure there will always be private health care in this country so I’m really not bothered seems like this is a you problem not me it amazes me why I should pay into something that does not work when I need it to pointless effort
The longest someone can be a junior doctor is eight years. Many of the striking junior doctors only took on the job in the last few years. They’re basically wanting a 35% pay increase for the fact they just chose the wrong job. They knew the conditions and thr salary when they recently entered this career. It’s their mistake. I am seriously worried about the common sense, if they think requesting a 35% pay increase is it all reasonable for a job they only recently started
No the longest is 10 years for surgeons who sub specialise, but it can take longer
I’ve met people that have been junior doctors for 20 years? Not sure why you think the ‘longest’ someone can be a junior doctor is 8 years.
The salary when they applied to medical school would have been 35% higher, that’s the point.
They dont want a pay increase, they want a pay RESTORATION you buffoon
If the NHS can’t afford to pay doctors what they are worth there shouldn’t be an NHS
Completely wrong headed approach.
I am totally up for bringing all doctors from abroad only on £23,999 per anum and without any possibility of settling here, same as they do it in the Middle east.
All problems sorted.
@@chachu.whiskey if only they did that to the Asian community. With all that inbreeding it’s no wonder the hospital’s are full. Full of disabled inbreeding disability claiming underage grooming gang members.
So you're saying Doctors shouldn't be in the NHS??? Cant expect those comments from the blue collar class.
@@sidrashirazi7847 what I’m saying is that doctors that spent 10 plus years in school and work harder than most every other profession shouldn’t have to sacrifice themselves for the good of the state
Imagine being so blinded that the UK would take care of you, when its cheaper to offshore. Shoudlnt have lapped up the tory kool aid.
Stress isn't alleviated by more money, or is it?
Yes it is- with pay, more people stay, the relative workload of each person goes down and number of doctors: patients go up, outcomes improve. If instead you want to start rules lawyering rather than listen you're just adding to their sense of frustration that things are going the wrong way and there are no signs that things will get better - if that's the case why stay? People can doctor elsewhere
BOO HOO HOO
She should pay all the money back that the tax payer has wasted on the deserter.
Australia doctors move to usa where the paid better and tax less
Thats everyone 😂, we even have a work visa set-up for Australian workers in the u.s of they fall under one of the wanted professions
@@randomdude4669 south of usa doesn't have Taxes like income tax and sales tax . 600000 people moved from California to Texas this yr
@@randomdude4669 in uk there 10% import duty " custom duty " 20% vat " 54% fuel excise
@@randomdude4669 some moved to Mexico