It was NOT a reunion..............the Supremes were known to the world as Diane, Mary, and Fio/Cindy............Sherrie and Lynda were replacements during the last, desperate for breath, days of THE SUPREMES.
I love the Supremes, I would have went to see this show even though Mary and Cindy were not there. I love Diana Ross, Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong equally! I really like Sherrie Payne, not a big fan of Lynda for some reason but she is beautiful.
Oh what could have been... if only the various egos, greed and festering resentments had been set to one side. This could've been an incredible reunion instead it was a golden opportunity squandered.
It would have been much more interesting to see Jean Terrell with Diana in this event, but that was likely never going to happen, as these were the two major identifiable "Supremes Voices" -and often compared. Indeed, there were only two official lead singers of the Supremes: Diana Ross and Jean Terrell, both appointed by Berry Gordy. Jean remained as lead for nearly four years, fronting several hits and more than eight lps. When Jean left, the group suffered a major blow and record production ceased for almost two years. Mary worked hard to restaff and redesign the group as an ensemble act with herself and two or three singers very, very evenly sharing leads on all lps and performances. Mary highlights this fact in her book. Scherrie Payne was not a third lead and neither was anyone else. With Jean's departure the "unique Supremes voice" projected by her and Diana was gone, and the group sounded much more commonplace.
There were 9 Supremes not 8. Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard, Barbara Martin, Cindy Birdsong, Jean Terrell, Lynda Laurence, Scherrie Payne, Susaye Green.
Diana Ross, as usual, looks gorgeous, elegant and graceful here. IMO, her biggest mistake was not rebuking ALL of Mary Wilson's LIES spread during the negotiations. Doing so would have cleared up a lot of the drama still perpetuated by her envious haters.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 TheReturnofStephan1 Wow! You just educated me. I did not know a lot of what you said in your comment. Now...if Diana would have went all the way in with that info...that would have been the Diana Ross interview of all Diana interviews. I wish she would have stated some of those elements you mentioned. I'm a little tight now knowing she didn't mention it. She stayed too far above the fray in this instance for sure. She was way too kind in her interview. After Mary's death, I watched a tribute to her on TH-cam. There were some of Mary and Diana intimates speaking about them. One of the men said Diana asked Berry for suggestions on how to deal with Mary when the issues came up with the RTL tour. Berry told her at that point to give Mary what she wanted because things would work out great in the end. That's exactly what Diana did and Mary still wasn't happy. I guess it's Oh well at this point. You definitely taught my ass a lot I didn't know about the RTL situation between Mary and Diana. I am a huge fan of Ross and love any and all information about her especially... behind the scenes info. I appreciate you for all the info you shared. Please keep sharing any info you get or have. It's very welcomed. This new info is now part of my Diana Ross mental encyclopedia. LOL! Thanks. 👍
Amazing, people will complain, even though, this is rare footage. Thanks for the vid. I remember this era. Diana shaded the OG Supremes, Mary and Cindy, the one who actually sang with Diana. Hmmm strange.
Punkanelly Lovejoy look Baby Doll Mary was too busy husband stealing to work on craft. She was fucking married Tom Jones Steve McQueen Flip Wilson so both Diane and Mary got dirty laundry Gladys Knight had problems with Aretha Franklin so what? and how about Gladys Knight drug addict son that used her name on a failed chicken joints and tried to say she had Dementia! At least Diana's children made her proud and a name for themselves Tracey Rhonda Evan. None of Mary's kids amounted to nothing neither Gladys Knight's. I suppose that too was Gordy and Diane's fault. Take several seats MS Thang.
@Punkanelly Lovejoy LOL Give it a rest, already. Your ENVY of Diana Ross is just too painfully obvious. The O'Jays also tried to do to Gladys Knight what she says Diana Ross did, but, you're not complaining about that, because you don't envy The O'Jays If only you worked as hard as you hated, you might have a valuable life, instead of complaining about someone who does.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 please be quiet you are always saying the same old thing ain't nobody envious of her or hate her you just can't accept some truth about her I bet you are one of those people who don't know the wicked side of the music industry . You obsessive Diana Ross Stan."
Diana Ross tried her best. Unfortunately...Mary didn't want to do the tour. Too much bitterness on Mary's part. What a lost opportunity. Well....I got to see this tour at Madison Square Garden in July 2000. My sister and brother in law brought me tickets as a B-day gift. It was a great show!!!!
no be fair..Diana approached the situation like she was the boss. Already, they had to survive without the "star" of the group. Diana wanted most of the money, and shaded both Mary and Cindy. Diana's ugliness made this tour a failure and flop. I know most people will take Diana Ross side because she is the star, but the other girls Mary and Cindy worked 30 years singing those songs as well. And, Diana should've showed them respect for their hard work as well, and not only her superstardom. Respect is respect.
That is not true. Mary Wilson was the main person that wanted a reunion. Sbe just wanted fair pay and say in how it was put together being that she is an Original Supreme. Diana Ross is just a fuckin asshole that got what she deserved for being such a nasty fuckin bitch about everything!
DetroitLives313 it was more about the staging of the show Diana made it more than clear that it was going to be the Diana Ross show with guests!! Mary no doubt wanted a segment to sing her cabaret style act miss Ross wasn't Having it
The truth is no one knew what Ms Ross was being paid, I think unfortunately ppl get into the ear of some women and intentionally want to create havoc just read all the negativity here from people who weren't even born believing somehow they have access to information no one else does, the truth is those that don't like Ms Ross will find any reason not to , Ms Ross Ms Wilson and The late Ms Ballard created something special and everything can't remain as it began all the time, sometimes you have to leave what's familiar to find yourself
You say I'm crazy how so is diana ross voice on those recordings or not ,then if so & they are isn't it also Diana Ross's on lead and that is also true . Isn't it also true it is diana ross name printed on each of the songs as well not all of them have her individual name on the songs but the fact thst it is absolutely true it is Diana Ross who is leading the supremes and that being the case mskes it Diana's songs because it is her voice in the lead position. It is a well established excepted rule that it's the lead singer's song so Diana did not mispeak as she said it's her voice on lead because it certainly isn't let's say for example it's not Martha of Martha and the Vandellas not it's nor but it is diana Ross's voice so that makes it her song, but don't mistake it for it not being the other girls for the same reasons it's not again for example not the Vandellas , it's the supremes that is on those records.But here's something to think about .because I have heard that same interview when dians diana said that, and my thoughts came to me did she buy or buy into or somhow became part owner of the supremes songs.? We may never know. And if so she was definitely correct. One thing that has always been prominent this woman , and that is she does not speak loosely about herself or matters of importance , and what I've seen is if diana doesn't want to answer a question she simply pauses just enough to let you know she's not interested in answering that question or she has said i think that's not a fsir question to ask .but she has never shown herself to mis speak. Bottom line is this do we really know the intricacies of minute details we don't know i side with her because i just don't believe she would make such a statement unless she knows something we don't and if you think about it throughout all that mess No One disputed diana for saying they are her songs .
They are her songs in that she sang lead. People bought the record because they liked it. People recognize her voice. She is one of the top singers of all time. She says she made the initial call. She even offered to double the other Supremes offer out of her money. Talk about Mary's ego. Play Mary's solo effort "Red Hot". Ross should have went solo after the first week. Mary has made a career out of ripping Ross apart. Every interview goes that way. It's how she keeps herself relevant. Without Diana Ross there would have been no Mary . She can't sing.
THE SO CALLED SUPREME "REUNION TOUR" BOMBED !! THEY COULDN'T GIVE THOSE TICKETS AWAY! PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE THE "REAL SUPREMES" NOT SOME KNOCK OFFS ! SO THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT TO SEE DIANE ! IT BOMBED ! (OR MAYBE THEY ALL WERE VOMITING)
How can she be so brazen to say on the air, "these are MY songs" when the songs were sung by the group? She didn't write them, instead they were written for the Supremes. Mary did the right thing, she was no longer Diana's second banana and refused to continue to act the part. How many cities did they do before the rest of the tour was called off?
@@Sc0rpion She was the voice because she was the only one given that opportunity. So nothing there. The others were not even allowed to speak. Take a look at the Ed Sullivan's videos. it was not the talent of one singer, it was blind loyalty from the top.
@@Sc0rpion I agree. Someday we'll be together proves your point! I can't imagine Mary or Flo making HDH songs #1 pop hits but it wasn't very considerate of Diana to say so.
@Sc0rpion She was not one of the voices of the Supremes. Why try to diminish her? She was the main voice, the central voice. She was called "Diana Ross and the Supremes."
🤔 Each one should've gotten paid the same,Period! Shame (the originals) couldn't get together. I heard/read this tour was not a success. $$$ It was because of the money. Diana was being paid millions more than M.Wilson & C.Birdsong.
I don’t think they should’ve all gotten paid the same, but Mary Wilson should’ve been paid much more than she was offered, since she was an original founding member, and the only Supreme that was there from day one until the final performance in 1977.
It should never have happened without Mary! End of. The original line up was amazing . Mary Flo Diana. Flo sadly died in tragic circumstances. But Diva Diana can't rise above her ego and patch things up. She's too stubborn. I don't believe for a second the problem was Mary - I think it was Diana who was a pain in the rear. End of.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 sorry i find this very hard to believe. diana ross is notoriously hard work and difficult and demanding. mary wilson was down to earth and friendly - which can be supported by all her friends. i have yet to hear one friend of diana's saying she is a fantastic friend . i rest my case.
Ya'll are so foolish when you're doing a big show money has to be fronted up while other producers were involved Diana was also a producer,Mary and Cindy had no money to put upfront. Grow up
❤Ross but this was a bad move on her part to get two replacement singers she never sang with and label it a Supremes tour when she knew it was Mary & (Flo) Cindy we wanted to see.
These were Supremes just as much as Mary and Cindy and Jean were. There originally were 4 Primettes. One girl left the group, just before being signed by Motown. Then Berry wanted the Group's name change. However; throughout the history of the Supremes there were 8 women. All this other crazy crap about who was a Supremes and who wasn't a Supremes, is just crazy crap. This issue is old and tiresome...get over it! Some of you are suggesting that there were 9 Supremes. When actually when the group was called the Primettes there were 4 women. I left before being signed by Motown. Then the name was changed to the Supremes. Diana Ross is correct, there were 8 Supremes.
@@strausd02 I am more than aware of the history of The Supremes, Diana Ross and The Supremes and Diana Ross herself. Of course, Diana would try and legitimize the replacements of the replacements as Supremes because she wanted to sell tickets without Mary and Cindy. It is also rather obvious that Flo could not be on the "Return To Love" tour seeing she died 24 years earlier. My point is people would want to see Mary, Flo & Diana again if it were possible but Cindy would've been an acceptable replacement because she performed with Diana as a Supreme which cemented her position as a valid member... all other were just a tribute act up and including Jean Terrell AFAIAC!
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I enjoyed this interview and I like how Diana allowed them to have a voice in the group interview segment.
Ms. Ross deserved credit for trying in this instance. She pushed ahead to try to give the fans what they wanted regardless as to who shared the stage
It was an amazing concert, I saw them in Toronto
Yeah, well, I have some swampland for sale in Florida.........want to buy it?
It was heart warming 2 see Scherrie Payne and Lynda Laurence unite with Diana Ross.
It was NOT a reunion..............the Supremes were known to the world as Diane, Mary, and Fio/Cindy............Sherrie and Lynda were replacements during the last, desperate for breath, days of THE SUPREMES.
T H E S U P R E M E S
Love All The Supremes
Miss Ross looks beauty
I love the Supremes, I would have went to see this show even though Mary and Cindy were not there. I love Diana Ross, Florence Ballard, Mary Wilson and Cindy Birdsong equally! I really like Sherrie Payne, not a big fan of Lynda for some reason but she is beautiful.
Love this woman! Loved this tour!!
Boy, you don't have very high standards, do you?
Oh what could have been... if only the various egos, greed and festering resentments had been set to one side. This could've been an incredible reunion instead it was a golden opportunity squandered.
Hi: Diana Ross, the Boss.⭐
It would have been much more interesting to see Jean Terrell with Diana in this event, but that was likely never going to happen, as these were the two major identifiable "Supremes Voices" -and often compared. Indeed, there were only two official lead singers of the Supremes: Diana Ross and Jean Terrell, both appointed by Berry Gordy. Jean remained as lead for nearly four years, fronting several hits and more than eight lps. When Jean left, the group suffered a major blow and record production ceased for almost two years. Mary worked hard to restaff and redesign the group as an ensemble act with herself and two or three singers very, very evenly sharing leads on all lps and performances. Mary highlights this fact in her book. Scherrie Payne was not a third lead and neither was anyone else. With Jean's departure the "unique Supremes voice" projected by her and Diana was gone, and the group sounded much more commonplace.
Lesser Known Supremes.. Wow
wayyyyyyyyyyyy lesser known!
There were 9 Supremes not 8. Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard, Barbara Martin, Cindy Birdsong, Jean Terrell, Lynda Laurence, Scherrie Payne, Susaye Green.
10
Supremes dont forget BETTY MCGOWAN
@@mjc5509 Betty was there at the beginning but she wasn't a Supreme
@@mjc5509 Betty was a Primette not a Supreme
@@mjc5509 Her last name was McGlown … and as others have stated, she was in the group prior to them being called the Supremes
Diana Ross, as usual, looks gorgeous, elegant and graceful here.
IMO, her biggest mistake was not rebuking ALL of Mary Wilson's LIES spread during the negotiations.
Doing so would have cleared up a lot of the drama still perpetuated by her envious haters.
She did rebuke the lies that Mary was spreading. She did the 20/20 interview with Barbara Walters. Look it up on TH-cam
Mary was telling the truth.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 TheReturnofStephan1 Wow! You just educated me. I did not know a lot of what you said in your comment.
Now...if Diana would have went all the way in with that info...that would have been the Diana Ross interview of all Diana interviews. I wish she would have stated some of those elements you mentioned. I'm a little tight now knowing she didn't mention it. She stayed too far above the fray in this instance for sure. She was way too kind in her interview.
After Mary's death, I watched a tribute to her on TH-cam. There were some of Mary and Diana intimates speaking about them. One of the men said Diana asked Berry for suggestions on how to deal with Mary when the issues came up with the RTL tour. Berry told her at that point to give Mary what she wanted because things would work out great in the end. That's exactly what Diana did and Mary still wasn't happy. I guess it's Oh well at this point.
You definitely taught my ass a lot I didn't know about the RTL situation between Mary and Diana. I am a huge fan of Ross and love any and all information about her especially... behind the scenes info.
I appreciate you for all the info you shared. Please keep sharing any info you get or have. It's very welcomed. This new info is now part of my Diana Ross mental encyclopedia. LOL! Thanks. 👍
@@danielrobinson9270 hi!
I think she did, however, The BW Interview was heavily edited.
@@TheDiamondLife90 Hey!...Got you! I wish talk shows wouldn't do such heavy editing. So much is taken out. Thank you TheDiamondLife90.
This footage looks like it was filmed in the 1980s
She just looks that great. This was the year 2000. Diana is gorgeous.
not talking about Diana. Talking about the quality of the video
Lol, I'm sorry. Yeah you have a point. ..it does look like a 8o's video. Not a clear picture.
Amazing, people will complain, even though, this is rare footage.
Thanks for the vid. I remember this era. Diana shaded the OG Supremes, Mary and Cindy, the one who actually sang with Diana.
Hmmm strange.
D.J. yes i agree. It looks older than it should look
why is the sound not synchronized?
Because she is lying through her teeth!
Punkanelly Lovejoy look Baby Doll Mary was too busy husband stealing to work on craft. She was fucking married Tom Jones Steve McQueen Flip Wilson so both Diane and Mary got dirty laundry
Gladys Knight had problems with Aretha Franklin so what? and how about Gladys Knight drug addict son that used her name on a failed chicken joints and tried to say she had Dementia! At least Diana's children made her proud and a name for themselves Tracey Rhonda Evan. None of Mary's kids amounted to nothing neither Gladys Knight's. I suppose that too was Gordy and Diane's fault. Take several seats MS Thang.
@Punkanelly Lovejoy
LOL
Give it a rest, already.
Your ENVY of Diana Ross is just too painfully obvious.
The O'Jays also tried to do to Gladys Knight what she says Diana Ross did, but, you're not complaining about that, because you don't envy The O'Jays
If only you worked as hard as you hated, you might have a valuable life, instead of complaining about someone who does.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 please be quiet you are always saying the same old thing ain't nobody envious of her or hate her you just can't accept some truth about her I bet you are one of those people who don't know the wicked side of the music industry . You obsessive Diana Ross Stan."
Does anyone know the exact date that this episode aired in 2000? Thank you in advance!
Diana Ross tried her best. Unfortunately...Mary didn't want to do the tour. Too much bitterness on Mary's part. What a lost opportunity. Well....I got to see this tour at Madison Square Garden in July 2000. My sister and brother in law brought me tickets as a B-day gift. It was a great show!!!!
no be fair..Diana approached the situation like she was the boss. Already, they had to survive without the "star" of the group.
Diana wanted most of the money, and shaded both Mary and Cindy. Diana's ugliness made this tour a failure and flop.
I know most people will take Diana Ross side because she is the star, but the other girls Mary and Cindy worked 30 years singing those songs as well. And, Diana should've showed them respect for their hard work as well, and not only her superstardom.
Respect is respect.
That is not true. Mary Wilson was the main person that wanted a reunion. Sbe just wanted fair pay and say in how it was put together being that she is an Original Supreme. Diana Ross is just a fuckin asshole that got what she deserved for being such a nasty fuckin bitch about everything!
DetroitLives313 it was more about the staging of the show Diana made it more than clear that it was going to be the Diana Ross show with guests!! Mary no doubt wanted a segment to sing her cabaret style act miss Ross wasn't Having it
All three still got paid.
The truth is no one knew what Ms Ross was being paid, I think unfortunately ppl get into the ear of some women and intentionally want to create havoc just read all the negativity here from people who weren't even born believing somehow they have access to information no one else does, the truth is those that don't like Ms Ross will find any reason not to , Ms Ross Ms Wilson and The late Ms Ballard created something special and everything can't remain as it began all the time, sometimes you have to leave what's familiar to find yourself
You say I'm crazy how so is diana ross voice on those recordings or not ,then if so & they are isn't it also Diana Ross's on lead and that is also true . Isn't it also true it is diana ross name printed on each of the songs as well not all of them have her individual name on the songs but the fact thst it is absolutely true it is Diana Ross who is leading the supremes and that being the case mskes it Diana's songs because it is her voice in the lead position. It is a well established excepted rule that it's the lead singer's song so Diana did not mispeak as she said it's her voice on lead because it certainly isn't let's say for example it's not Martha of Martha and the Vandellas not it's nor but it is diana Ross's voice so that makes it her song, but don't mistake it for it not being the other girls for the same reasons it's not again for example not the Vandellas , it's the supremes that is on those records.But here's something to think about .because I have heard that same interview when dians diana said that, and my thoughts came to me did she buy or buy into or somhow became part owner of the supremes songs.? We may never know. And if so she was definitely correct. One thing that has always been prominent this woman , and that is she does not speak loosely about herself or matters of importance , and what I've seen is if diana doesn't want to answer a question she simply pauses just enough to let you know she's not interested in answering that question or she has said i think that's not a fsir question to ask .but she has never shown herself to mis speak. Bottom line is this do we really know the intricacies of minute details we don't know i side with her because i just don't believe she would make such a statement unless she knows something we don't and if you think about it throughout all that mess No One disputed diana for saying they are her songs .
They are her songs in that she sang lead. People bought the record because they liked it. People recognize her voice. She is one of the top singers of all time. She says she made the initial call. She even offered to double the other Supremes offer out of her money. Talk about Mary's ego. Play Mary's solo effort "Red Hot". Ross should have went solo after the first week. Mary has made a career out of ripping Ross apart. Every interview goes that way. It's how she keeps herself relevant. Without Diana Ross there would have been no Mary . She can't sing.
So I wonder if Mary is Cindy did a reunion without Diana if it would work
THE SO CALLED SUPREME "REUNION TOUR" BOMBED !! THEY COULDN'T GIVE THOSE TICKETS AWAY! PEOPLE WANTED TO SEE THE "REAL SUPREMES" NOT SOME KNOCK OFFS ! SO THEY DIDN'T JUST WANT TO SEE DIANE ! IT BOMBED ! (OR MAYBE THEY ALL WERE VOMITING)
How can she be so brazen to say on the air, "these are MY songs" when the songs were sung by the group? She didn't write them, instead they were written for the Supremes. Mary did the right thing, she was no longer Diana's second banana and refused to continue to act the part. How many cities did they do before the rest of the tour was called off?
She was the voice of group...her voice took them to the top of the charts. Anyone could've sang ooh & aaah and we'd be none the wiser.
@@Sc0rpion She was the voice because she was the only one given that opportunity. So nothing there. The others were not even allowed to speak. Take a look at the Ed Sullivan's videos. it was not the talent of one singer, it was blind loyalty from the top.
@@Sc0rpion I agree. Someday we'll be together proves your point! I can't imagine Mary or Flo making HDH songs #1 pop hits but it wasn't very considerate of Diana to say so.
Please listen to what she said! Why leave out part of what she really said. "Her songs, her vocals, been singing them throughout her career. "
@Sc0rpion She was not one of the voices of the Supremes. Why try to diminish her? She was the main voice, the central voice. She was called "Diana Ross and the Supremes."
🤔 Each one should've gotten paid the same,Period! Shame (the originals) couldn't get together. I heard/read this tour was not a success. $$$ It was because of the money. Diana was being paid millions more than M.Wilson & C.Birdsong.
No
I don’t think they should’ve all gotten paid the same, but Mary Wilson should’ve been paid much more than she was offered, since she was an original founding member, and the only Supreme that was there from day one until the final performance in 1977.
You’re bananas .
It should never have happened without Mary! End of. The original line up was amazing . Mary Flo Diana. Flo sadly died in tragic circumstances. But Diva Diana can't rise above her ego and patch things up. She's too stubborn. I don't believe for a second the problem was Mary - I think it was Diana who was a pain in the rear. End of.
Get a life you cant have the supremes Florence is dead Sherrie and Lynda were supremes I have loads of vinyl and cd to prove it
@@jeffgarrett8482 bollocks.
@@TheReturnOfStephan1 sorry i find this very hard to believe. diana ross is notoriously hard work and difficult and demanding. mary wilson was down to earth and friendly - which can be supported by all her friends. i have yet to hear one friend of diana's saying she is a fantastic friend . i rest my case.
Ya'll are so foolish when you're doing a big show money has to be fronted up while other producers were involved Diana was also a producer,Mary and Cindy had no money to put upfront. Grow up
@@donaldmiller4643 and your point is, doofus?
❤Ross but this was a bad move on her part to get two replacement singers she never sang with and label it a Supremes tour when she knew it was Mary & (Flo) Cindy we wanted to see.
These were Supremes just as much as Mary and Cindy and Jean were. There originally were 4 Primettes. One girl left the group, just before being signed by Motown. Then Berry wanted the Group's name change. However; throughout the history of the Supremes there were 8 women. All this other crazy crap about who was a Supremes and who wasn't a Supremes, is just crazy crap. This issue is old and tiresome...get over it!
Some of you are suggesting that there were 9 Supremes. When actually when the group was called the Primettes there were 4 women. I left before being signed by Motown. Then the name was changed to the Supremes. Diana Ross is correct, there were 8 Supremes.
Flo, was dead. Flo died in 1976...almost a quarter century before this tour occurred. She simply would not have been able to be on this tour.
@@strausd02 I am more than aware of the history of The Supremes, Diana Ross and The Supremes and Diana Ross herself. Of course, Diana would try and legitimize the replacements of the replacements as Supremes because she wanted to sell tickets without Mary and Cindy. It is also rather obvious that Flo could not be on the "Return To Love" tour seeing she died 24 years earlier. My point is people would want to see Mary, Flo & Diana again if it were possible but Cindy would've been an acceptable replacement because she performed with Diana as a Supreme which cemented her position as a valid member... all other were just a tribute act up and including Jean Terrell AFAIAC!
@JAZZLlFE Your post now, belie or contradicts everything that you are saying, responding to what I have said! Have a good day!