unfortunately the video is dark again! but i know whats causing it now! i wish i could express myself better than i did in this video, so i'll probably take it down later, but like i said i wanted to speak on it bc i was someone who praised and enjoyed her work. its very upsetting that she abused her power as creative director and the things she's done is disgusting. if you can find sources for things that i asked for plz comment them under this comment.
you expressed your thoughts well imo and i appreciate you talking about this situation. if you want to take it down, you can, but i think this vid is important and should stay up or be remade.
you expressed urself really well and you made your position rly clear as well as clarifying shit that I’m very glad u did clarify cause as bad as the situation is we really don’t need the misinformation flying around. you don’t have to keep the video up ofc but I think It was really helpful especially bc I couldn’t really process all the information abt it that I was receiving in other ways ,, thanks again for the video
they’re forgetting how many hardships wonyoung had to juggle because she debuted at such a young age and was still going to school and staying up late because she had to study hard for tests.
my heart sank when 16 year old yeojin talked about her favorite flavor of dieting jellies on one of her mylives. like obviously the dieting that all kpop idols are forced to go through is not okay but its just so horrible knowing she was so young and already had such an unhealthy relationship with food. that was kind of the moment that really opened my eyes to how horrible blockberry was as a company (as well as the idol industry in general)
God and Yeojin weighs SO LITTLE now like it's concerning. It broke my heart when the girls talked about the extreme diets and forced running they had to do before debut and they laughed through it now like "Haha manager thanks for those days, we had fun!" Like that shit is traumatic.
@@calling.moon.twelve i understand your concern but has yeojin’s weight been confirmed? if her weight was released by the company and not her herself it is likely fake. most companies lie about idols heights and weights. it’s messed up
@@skylerk126 yes a while ago on Vlive Yeojin fact checked an online profile of hers and revealed she weighs less than 36 kg. That's concerning even for someone as short as Yeojin. For reference I'm also very small 155 cm and 48 kg and my doctor told me it could be dangerous for my health if I lost any weight. Of course every body is different but it is concerning when you consider the kind of terrible dieting Yeojin was forced to undergo when she was very young. Those kinds of diets can have lasting negative impacts on your metabolism
it annoys me so much when kpop stans flip the table and say “you’re weird for looking at it from that perspective” when it’s obviously another case of the industry profiting off of exploiting minors.
yes!!! I see that so much... but like, it's not "our minds in the gutter", it's that we KNOW the staffs did this on purpose because they know there's a market for this....
why are companies so scared of debuting 19-20 year olds :DD and why do younger fans think the moment you turn 20 your time is up and you’re not good enough anymore????
why? because if you’re young you’re easier to manipulate. Like that’s the whole thing. Young minds are impressionable and because if they get them to train while they’re young these kids won’t have any other option in their career line instead to hope to become an idol. I think Lucas said this, like you’re so invested in being a trainee for years, instead of going to high school so if you don’t become a successful idol you have to catch up on your studies or either become a cashier. Why companies make them go to Idol schools like SOPA instead of a real school, so they won’t have a choice. (FYI SOPA isn’t a typical school, it’s mostly just for certification and show to say they graduated. Most of them still train and learn in their company facilities)
The fact that min heejin called the sherlock photoshoot a "gift for noonas" grosses me out so bad, it makes the issue with the photos of taemin, the photoshopping of jonghyun's abs, etc etc even worse
I always think about it like this- would they let a 14 year old go work at a bank just because they are naturally ‘good at maths’ or are passionate for banking… No! Everyone would still recognize that they are a child and that it is frankly ridiculous! Your brain is still developing and changing so people who say ‘they can decide for themselves’ need to stfu. Adults need to take care of kids and teens as they don’t know what’s best for themselves all the time. How many child actors have come out and said how traumatizing their childhood was. How many taemins and boas and wonyoungs need to say how much they regret giving up their childhoods for y’all to listen!! Why not let them live their lives and do more training and let them debut as adults who actually know what they are getting themselves into! As for min heejin, god will judge her accordingly but we seriously need to shame her and boycott her so she cannot work with anymore minors.
Humans are both not completely mentally and emotionally developed until 25, like there's science behind that. That's the point though, like to be a banker you need a degree which you usually get at towards your 20s, which makes much more sense in overall fulltime work. No child should be working full time ESPECIALLY so scrutinised like that
But theres passion and dream,. They can be still be guided by their parents now that theyre active on the industry.. . I mean, parents usually let children go to school to study by themselves right?? What they need to do with the minor though is to give them appropriate clothes,song, and right care as they're still minors... for surr there are private lessons for them. Parents must not leave their children unguided though because the industry is scary.
Undeniably, she has great taste, and the projects she was/is in charge of are amazing...for 20+ year olds. Thank you, ajanaevis, for this. Kpop is fun but shit like this is so common it’s crazy, especially in 2022. There are too many examples of minors undergoing plastic surgery, being dressed sexily and overall being s*xualized by fans and industry seniors. Will it be different for this girls? I doubt it. Will this continue the trend of debuting kids? Totally.
Topics like this always remind me of a thought that I vocalized to my mom a little while ago. Being a kpop stan is such a moral dilemma because on one side of things you want to support your idols because you know how much they worked to be where they are at and the ammount they've had to endure to get there. However, on the flip side you also know that Kpop Companies are exploiting these idols, selling them as products, and not treating them like humans. I might make a video about it sometime in the future, but yeah this whole situation is just dissapointing and honestly stomach-churning.
i really need people to realize that kpop at its core is an exploitative and it’s “good to support the girls” but the heads of the companies do not care about that at the end of the day. sure you can argue the market is for teens and tweens, but there’s constant trends of more grown adults stanning children and that is the problem of making the debut of minors a norm i also need people the understand that the girls cannot do anything about this and sending any type of hate towards them makes no sense, they are quite literally victims of a very sick system. i hope they have as safe of a career as possible
theyre signing up for this and adults supporting a group isnt weird or wrong we're not stanning for sexual reasons sure bad people exist but the majority of us like im 23 i support certain groups with younger members because i look at them like a proud older brother not like damn girl u fine and thats the problem ur taking a small minority of problematic people and making it seem like all adults are weirdos or pedos and thats just not the case and if these kids parents allow them to do this and they voluntarily do it like they are then why cant they if theyre talented enough once puberty is done their voices are fully devoloped where its safe to debut they should be allowed to but 14 should be the loungest possible age becuase i believe youre old enough and mature enough there to make that decision
@@chady1229 no this is still weird. parasocially making yourself an older sibling does not stop the exploitation and why debut minors and open them up to even be in the situation where they get sexualized? let them have an actual childhood, time and time again idols that debuted young say it’s a terrible decision. and that doesn’t really change the fact that the CEO of the company in question literally has a deeply strange fascination with children while taking inspiration from media that is ABOUT exploiting children.
@@moarika7378 its weird to be a 23 year old and STILL not recognise how unsafe it is to debut literal 14 year olds. the youngest age to debut SHOULD be 17-18. 14 is nowhere CLOSE to being mature, 14 is most teenager's transition phase to teen life and adulthood. heck, some girls didnt even have their PERIODS at 14, they have not even finished puberty yet. rethink what you said please.
THANK YOU! I wish I could explain it this well but you nailed it!! Especially the problem that is debuting minors and grown adults stanning *literal children* 🙃
About the pictures in her house, including the picture with the paper with the writing at the bottom, she was only 15 and was forced to do an inappropriate “devils tango” scene. She wasn’t aware of that part but she had to do it. Min HeeJin also has the cd for that movie (French version) and it has underaged (15 y/o’s) “devils tango” scenes. Her homescreen on her phone is also a child wearing *no* clothes. Honestly I’m not sure why she isn’t in jail yet, someone needs to inform authorities cause it’s illegal to have child “tango” videos etc.
@@aespaqueens2244 yeah i think people just listing random things now. the only thing that’s actually noticeable is the two pictures in her home and then ofc the one reference she did with danielle in that one concept photo
People have been calling her out for years, if you go back to earlier instagram posts international fans have been calling her a p*do for a while now. So this isn’t new, it’s crazy this lady still has a job when she’s so outward about being obsessed with this. Even if there’s no way for them to kick her out for allegations I just don’t get why companies still work with her when she’s at the very least a huge creep!
@@Chellz801 Because She's not the biggest creep, she's just one of that visible crees, there are more creeps and p3dos that are older and with more power than her, they are the ones who aproobe and also consume that content from idols. They see it like a win- win situation that also gives them lots of money. The creeps and p3dos are the ones on the peaks of power in kpop industry.
I think another problem we face is the people online (twitter) who keep preaching to debut older idols but then they debut people like around the ages of 21-25 and call them old and make stupid comments about their age. Like please get over yourselves...
and newjeans stans on twt who don't understand the issue are just downplaying it as "4th gen stans who are scared of newjeans' success" - just because you haven't seen people bringing up this issue doesn't mean they haven't done it. plz be serious and stop defending child exploitation over music (which wasn't even that groundbreaking)
Knowing how companies deal with controversies and how they always shut up, they will do nothing about this even if we complain. There's just too many people involved, it's too much for the girls, being around them and also having to deal with bad comments. I hope they realize this and speak out loud about it so other people will be able to help, just like natalie portman did...
OMG thank you for bringing up the Yuna situation at MAMA! I mentioned this in a comment once and was told I was weird for thinking it’s strange that they’re pole dancing in latex, leather collars and masks as a man watches them, only a few days after she turned 18. When the week before people were complaining her black dress was too sexy for a minor. The beginning of the performance was clearly meant to look like a… show. And we all know what the lyrics of LOCO are about. 👀 Yeji isn’t talking about a cat 🐱. And every week on the lead up to her 18th birthday people were saying “stop sexualising Yuna” but as soon as she turned 18 it stopped. That’s so weird, she’s still a kid. Why do people think that 18 magically made it okay to sexualise her… But anyway I definitely feel like the whole point of that MAMA performance was the liberation from being controlled. That’s why Ryujin took off the collar from Yeji and killed the guy that was watching. The creative director said it’s all about women having freedom. But I find it so ironic that in Kpop, they’re constantly acting out stuff that they can’t actually do in their own lives. They can’t get rid of the creepy men controlling or watching them. But they pretend to do it for our entertainment. Like with New Jeans “being teenagers” going to parties falling in love, but now because they debuted they won’t ever actually experience those things like everyone else. Hopefully things change in 4th/5th generation and idols are allowed creative and personal freedom but as they are debuting so young, i doubt it. Young idols are easier to control so I think companies try and capitalise off that.
right!?!??! i was thinking yesterday how people cant fucking be normal about kids. like its either i hate children theyre the spawn of the devil or shit like this 🤢🤢🤢
I don’t like the people calling people who call out the weirdness “p3dos”… like no they are just calling it out we ain’t dumb or weird noticing it either.
I've seen some people argue that the ages of the girls, concept, and styling are okay because "it's for teens" but Kpop as a whole is largely being marketed towards people in their 20s-30s. Yes, teenagers are absolutely driving forces behind fandoms, but lots of adults buy albums and concert tickets. Who is more likely to have more disposable income? A teenager who may get allowance/have a part time job or a 20 something with a full time job? Just something to think about
"Bathing in her refreshing energy". I wish I could understand korean to know if this sounds AS WEIRD as it does in English '-'. The context makes this sounds so yikes considering the age difference and ALSO- why would you let your kid alone with a grown adult without supervision. The most upsetting and concerning thing for me will always be "where are their parents". I think it's so irresponsible to let these kids debut underage, their legal guardians should be blamed JUST as much, if not more.
this is kinda a breaking point for me … i’ll admit tho i’ve had a lot of complaints about kpop groups i’ve never committed to boycotting. but kids debuting is not only immoral but dangerous. i don’t think i can live with myself if i keep supporting this in any way. so i’ll begin w boycotting this group and then all groups w minors. idk how far i should take it tho, i’ll post some questions i have in the replies so anyone who’s also doing could maybe answer. thanks for clearing up some of the misinformation btw!
Okay jokes aside.. love you for talking about this, as someone who has been preyed on this is a serious issue for me and the way that Heejin is targeting Newjeans is genuinely sick
min heejin has ruined every sm project she has ever worked on for me. now i can't watch back my faves music videos without thinking her nasty ass worked on them. She needs to be investigated. The fact that some people don't see the real issue and only think people are attacking their faves is concerning.
THANK YOUUUU for pointing out how people are so quick to defend outwardly nasty concepts/dances/stages or whatever by saying they're "owning their sexuality" (when they're barely legal or not even legal at all) or accusing the person calling it out of being a creep... like, i'm not a creep for thinking it's weird to have a minor wearing revealing outfits and dancing suggestively. i've been a young girl myself and have experienced firsthand how some adults don't know how to act. i want these idols to be protected and, ideally, i want there to be a minimum age of 18 at the youngest for idols to debut or even be taken on as a trainee (cuz let's be real, trainees have it harder than debuted idols)
the only way this can change, not only for newjeans, but the industry to get a wake up call is for EVERYONE to boycott this group, which sadly won't happen. just taking a look at their album preorders is enough to tell me a lot of people do not give a fuck! surprising... i know a lot of people argue the girls have no blame and i agree, but it's just not right to stan them or even listen to their music casually because at the end it's still support that the company will see directly through numbers and they'll continue thinking "oh well no one had a problem with us debuting young teens so i won't stop" which will also be seen by other companies who'll recreate it after seeing the success.
Fans don't give a SHIT. If it's literally not affecting their own fantasies and weird specifics expectations, they don't genuinely care about idols, they won't be bothered. :|
kpop stans dont give a fawk , you give them some y2k aesthetic and R&B sounds and they're SOLD ! this cycle will keep on continuing , kpop stans will keep on supporting underaged groups much younger than them , companies will keep on profiting , they'll keep on debuting these underaged kids , so many idols have spoken up about how debuting so early fucked up their mental health badly yet no one cares, there will be fake outrage over this issue for a while & then after a week everyone will go back to using those kids as their pfps , kpop stans have no shame
I remember an article that say in 2008 lee sooman said “people in their 30s and 40s are emerging as main cultural consumers, and Girls’ Generation specifically targets the men in that age group" it's creepy that the ceo of the agency think like that
what i hate the most about this issue is that people are not so serious and not giving a fuck about the topic. like they're comparing who's least problematic company something or suddenly bringing up disturbing shit things just to satisfy their ego and ofcourse to hate on idols. "when you are devoted on something/someone you won't care if they're right or wrong, as long as things are in line with what you want, it's the one you'll always choose to believe to." they are like that! they are sick! they don't really care about those children being mistreated they're weird ass shits! i hope everyone knows how serious this topic is. protect new jeans girlies at all cost.
I am a minor myself and i knew all these things, it's nothing new unfortunately, just like you said if we want this to change we're going to need a big cultural shift which is crazy. The history of adults exploding children never ends, it's in Hollywood, in the kpop industry, everywhere. I'm still a big fan of newjeans, I think the girls are very talented and no one denies that, it's the path that them and their family chose, they will suffer for sure because being known by so many people is not easy at all, but they will learn and I hope nothing really bad happens to them, you know, with so many weirdos spread here and there. The same with ive, le sserafim, and many others.
HYBE's girl groups are cursed, like how is every single one of your newest girl groups always in controversy and they JUST DEBUTED. They need to do better background checks on EVERYBODY. I personally think the highest age these idols should debute should be 18-21. And these grown adults stanning these groups is creepy, let's not normalize this weirdo mess.
Yeah, the fact is that ACTUALLY it's the grown adults the ones with actual money AND time to spend. People say they're marketed to young teens/kids but how many of these kids will: Buy merch, album, songs, go to showcases, concerts, attend fansigns..... I can't even imagine what their in person fansigns will look like in terms of age range.....
I'm just shocked she has those pictures on her wall, it's weird enough that you put it up on your walls (and imagine a guest coming into that room) and even weirder that you post it on insta with no shame...
people truly do not take this shit seriously n thats what gets me. these girls are in genuine danger but stans are more concerned about possible stan wars like.. its so frustrating
I really like how u explained the styling issue in kpop. When I 1st saw the articles of clothing you were talking about I was like “normal teenagers wear that stuff” but when u explained the difference between personal choice and grown adults choosing things for u I truly understood.
their predebut fans worshipping min heejin and saying stuff like "don't worry min heejin is with us🥰" was always weird to me.. like how well do u know this woman to the point of worshipping her ??
I don’t see an issue with 14-18 y/olds debuting in general, provided the concepts of the group are age appropriate along with their outfits and diets. This is, in kpop, unfortunately not a reality. I just hope the girls’ mental health is not affected 😔
Researching this made me think a lot... because what I realized is that there are probably many more people like Min Heejin who have more power than her working with minors in this industry. We may never even know about them. The only reason why we are able to speak on her like this because she has a public image. Many managers, producers, and directors do not. South Korea needs better legislature to protect these minors if companies insist on debuting them.
I was actually VERY uncomfortable with new jean’s “Attention” mv. Sure, the mv’s story line is for the attention of a boy the same age… but ultimately, the REALITY is that they are singing about “give me attention” when their fans will include GROWN MEN SINGLING ALONG TO THIS
im so disappointed with the news cause i rly enjoyed the concept and whatnot but now....the situation is so weird and i was even thinking of getting the album but i dont think i will now after all of this :/
Same I feel bad because for sure not a fan of she who must not be named yet I do like the songs newjeans put out and do think the gals are talented and now I am like, can we be a fan still? I always said you can be a fan music wise only and it's OK to like 4th gen groups even if you are from 3rd gen era or something and that's ok but I also don't know when that line is like crossed ya know what I mean? Like I wanna go all mama bear on newjeans and protect them also like I do hope the are OK and the concept is normal but at the same time, considering what the lovely video creator pointed out, how shall we know? It's weird indeed OP because I don't want to fully say fudge newjeans because if we do go against buying their music then this does I believe sadly effect their careers and I don't want the artist to get it when it's the penguins as I call them, that should be the ones effected ya know what I mean? Very weird and tricky thing =/ Also I hope no one is being mean to the girls like they aren't the ones to point fingers! The artists aren't the ones to be mad at loves!
@@annadziekonska7366 i completely understand its just a very weird situation all i can hope is that mhj will distance herself from the girls otherwise i will be really worried about them ://
i was so confused by how young they are, and with the very minimal make up/virgin hair and i thought it was refreshing and cool, but after learning about all of this i am quiet disturbed. it’s so scary to think she actually believes that them being so young will make better profit. but what’s wrong with 20+ year old? they still look extremely young but at least their brains are more developed!
If you are getting your inspiration from these types of inappropriate photos, movies and concepts, that is simply not ok. Like, why would you have this type of stuff in your house, studio, work area, etc. Get where I am going?
She's not in jail because she's not the biggest creep, she's just one of that visible creeps, one that produces and works for them, there are more creeps and p3dos that are older and with more power than her, they are the ones who aproove and also consume that content from idols. They see it like a win- win situation that also gives them lots of money. The creeps and p3dos are the ones on the peaks of power in kpop industry.
some kpop stans have been saying "you guys are only bringing this up bc nwjns are gonna outsell/outdo your favs" , but not everything is about fanwars? this is a real concerning issue here..?
Thanks for speaking up about this....I was very uncomfortable seeing the maknae wearing those cloths in Attention MV but ppl told me that there is something wrong with me for seeing her like that. Anyway people pls pray for my insomnia I haven't slept properly for past 6 months...It almost 1 AM here.
@@zarrieforever4159 She wears really short crop tops and at times they're definitely way to short. And I know that many teens wear stuff like that (I do too), but we're not doing it infront of the world
@@lacienagalacey9454 Yeah, I am wearing crop tops but I don't have old men watch me dance in them. I also don't have a whole company focusing on my image and telling me what to wear. There's a difference between 15 year old me choosing to wear something shorter and between a bunch of adults choosing a crop top for me to wear
@@zarrieforever4159 3:49 the girl in the short black crop top in the image on the left is hyein, the freshly-14 maknae. you really don’t see anything wrong with her being dressed like that by a team of adults?
I think you're right on the money. people tend to get very tripped up when it comes to things like this and seem to not want to think through the things they say even when an issue is complicated. thank you for providing a nuanced perspective. either way I feel bad for the girls in newjeans and all the minors that were subjected to things they either weren't comfortable with or just didn't have enough perspective to see how they were bad at the time. whether people like to think about it or not, "innocence" is profitable. both aesthetically and business wise. a young teen isn't going to know jack about contracts, litigation or how to take care of themselves in an industry like this. so long as the company gets its money, the regrets of the people they used to get it are not their problem.
I always thought a situation like this in kpop was bound to happen, so many western artists have been open about their mistreatment and sexualization in the ent industry for us to think kpop would be any different. People below 18 shouldn’t set a foot near the entertainment industry, it’s too unsafe
Thank you for talking about this, it's so important! And for reiterating that yes, this is not just about Heejin but how the whole industry normalizes child exploitation. Something else that gets sweeped away in the converstation is also the child Labor. Are Child labor laws being followed and regulated, how are these laws actually being enforced? It worries me.
I feel like there’s nothing that can be done. She’s not going to be fired because the people above her don’t care. If she does, who knows what type of person is going to manage them and they can end up back in the same position. If they’re boycotted, it will show their company that they’re not worth continuing their career and leave them to the side or disband them.
I don’t need to know much about her, if I hear that her inspiration for a photo shoot or a concept is Lolita I cancel her immediately no need to tell me more
I will always side eye people supporting this group. The girls haven't done anything wrong at all, but the profits and the support is all going to min heejin in the end. The members are young. They have a lot more of their life left, and can very easily go into other, safer industries, or even debut later when they're a little older. So, yeah. If you can't even boycott a group that is very clearly built around exploiting children, then that says a lot about you..... I don't even care how good the music is lmaooooo have a backbone pls and go click on another song 😭 Everyone's always like "what about OTHER GROUPS" 🤷♂️ that's weird too. But why are you diverting the conversation....... This is about nwjns and how most of their current 'popularity' comes from people coming to know how creepy and manipulative the people around them are. There is no excuse here lol
Sure there is. If you say A you also have to say B in regard to other groups/companies given that the whole k-pop idol industry is pretty much built up around the very concept of exploiting minors/ young adults and have all kinds of questionable and creepy tactics/practices thereof. Always have been the case, always will be. Quite frankly, I like that the lady in question is so high profile, frank and open about what she does for a living. She appears to be one of the best in her field of work and that the New Jeans girls are well selected, trained, supported and marketed. Being the entertainment products they are, that's all that really matters for most of us consumers at the end of the day.
I absolutely believe that precaution should be used when dealing with her from now on tbh. Everything I saw with peoples accusation against her was too weird to shake off. I know that teenage girls should be given autonomy regarding their future but I just cannot get with literal children being set up in a girl group that will indefinitely be dealing so much damaging attention good or bad, especially finding out that a large chunk of their album sales came from 20-30+ year old people………I truly wish any young kid debuting in the kpop industry nothing but the best.
I remember when Itzy debuted and JYPE had them performed ‘good girl bad girl’ knowing full well the only adults were Yeji and Lia. The other 3 couldn’t even sing any part of the song except “you don’t know me, so shut up boy” and I’m like why did we need this performance? To say they performed their sister groups song…and I love chae but that lil sexy drop they had her do at the beginning wasn’t needed and Yuna was 15 at the time, the whole thing was just unnecessary and I’m shocked they haven’t made nmixx perform it (yet).
as someone who is a minor/teenager i’m glad to see this being talked about and brought to light these days. it’s simply never okay to sexualize anyone if they’re not comfortable but it is WAY worse when it is involving a minor in any aspects that may feel weird or unusual for them. i find it so so weird how min heejin is already using these girls for her disturbing profit although idk if she’s the one putting them in uncomfortable outfits like that or anything but if she is, it just gives me the absolute icks. and like you said most teenagers do dress like that but the huge difference is we’re the ones choosing our clothes, not grown adults. and even tube tops i would say are more suitable for 18 or older too, but still it’s so odd even with that. it really reminds me a bit of the britney spears situation where i think when she was like in the hit me baby one more time mv she was seen being exploited in a schoolgirl outfit which was sorta revealing and even that raised a few eyebrows from people at the time tbf. but we need to start doing something about companies debuting kids SO young! now i don’t have hope that this will ever stop being a thing in this generation as we’ve seen with certain groups debuting at similar ages but let’s hope it can end soon becuz i’m tired of hearing another poor child being taken advantage of by adults in general. 🤦🏽♀️
I feel bad now because when i first saw the album's she previously worked on at SM i was supporting her and thought she was an okay person but now i just want her 100 miles away from any idol, JAIL
Literally everything you said in this video is what I have been saying when it comes to minor kpop idols. I’m a long time kpop fan so I’m so glad Min Heejin’s creepy tendency to exploit these young idols with sexualising imagery is now being more widely called out. Also I’ve always pointed out questionable choices JYP made in managing Yuna’s image but I’ve been blasted by stans saying that I’m the weird one for viewing her that way so when I knew Aespa was going to consist of all adult members (at least by average international standard) I was relieved. *Sidenote:* SM just introduced 26 yo Shohei as an SM Rookie. I’m not putting SM on a pedestal but knowing that they were willing to take him as a trainee in the first place is so damn refreshing. I better not see weirdos calling him a hag like he’s some sort of senior citizen cause that guy is a way more well adjusted than they’ll ever be.
I prefer to watch 20 years old acting cute that 14 yo acting weird,,, seriosly why people defends her? Just for the music? remember that she doesn´t make that .-.
I rlly hope the girls will stay safe and be okay but unfortunately we have seen this before especially if you’re an orbit. The pr about how much their taken care of mentally, and treated as “family” buts not that case and unfortunately it’s going to take systemic changes to stop these young idols from debuting and also weirdos like min heejin from being a creep. It just scares me a when children are supposed to viewed as objects for mass consumption especially when the K-pop industry thrives on the parasocial relationship between idol and fan.
I have been expecting NewJeans' debut since the Plus Girl Audition announcement in 2019 and was super excited but I never imagined they would chose literal children to debut, I feel so umconfortable knowing the oldest member is a few months older than me, and their maknae is literally a 2008's liner, specially with the suggestive lyrics Cookie has, I feel bad for the girls:/
it’s so funny how others trying to bring Ningning here and say: “they announced nn days after she turned 18, she debut one month afters she turned 18” yo weirdos r just confirmed that nn debut at legal age being the maknae. Stay away nn from this
shes genuinely such a creepy woman… with everything from what she said about nct dream, krystal and taemin and the concept and treatment of her new group… its kinda terrifying
Honestly I feel the entire kpop industry is weird. The artists are getting younger on average and Honestly, given the sexlessness in South Korea, it's alarming who these young artists are being promoted to.
the girls are getting way too young to debut and they’re still growing and maturing. the idol industry is very dangerous for young people because it’s so sexualised and they’re gonna be heavily affected by dieting (forced or by choice). and the amount of HATE groups get sometimes so they should - at the youngest - be debuting at like 16/17
idk if this might sound crazy and i might get called delusional for this but honestly people aren't focusing on the fact that the guardians of these CHILDREN even allowed them to audition in the first place?? this messed up culture is rooted so deep so far as families that none of the people who are supposed to care for their well-being even stop to think about how messed up the industry is.
aya if im being honest i used to really dislike ur channel because i thought you had questionable takes, but i'm glad ur one of the few ktubers that can put kpop aside to discuss a much broader topic thts too nuanced for twt. u did well and its def needed as newjeans stans have loose screws in their head and think bringing this topic up is just to hate on the girls/fanwars. ty for this video bb
Lots of people are saying that newjeans should not be supported by fans anymore as MHJ said how hyein haerin and hanni reached out to her plus how hyein cried and how haerin wanted to hear her voice and hanni was worried about her, the thing Is MHJ already brainwashed them, I mean she is an evil woman and do not even deserve 20% of newjeans, she produced classic music which made NJ shine so much, but what we never knew was this extreme evil side of her, newjeans already is brainwashed, I feel so bad for them, I already went in depression cuz of gfriend and now my new happiness is about to fade, please hybe save them istg, I will never listen to kpop if newjeans is gone, they are my everything.
unfortunately the video is dark again! but i know whats causing it now!
i wish i could express myself better than i did in this video, so i'll probably take it down later, but like i said i wanted to speak on it bc i was someone who praised and enjoyed her work. its very upsetting that she abused her power as creative director and the things she's done is disgusting.
if you can find sources for things that i asked for plz comment them under this comment.
you expressed your thoughts well imo and i appreciate you talking about this situation. if you want to take it down, you can, but i think this vid is important and should stay up or be remade.
i think you spoke very eloquently and your message was clear but it’s your choice if you take it down or not!
It’s your choice yes, but needed.
you expressed urself really well and you made your position rly clear as well as clarifying shit that I’m very glad u did clarify cause as bad as the situation is we really don’t need the misinformation flying around. you don’t have to keep the video up ofc but I think It was really helpful especially bc I couldn’t really process all the information abt it that I was receiving in other ways ,, thanks again for the video
Great feel to this video though, nice and chill. The tone is different without your usual intro!
they’re forgetting how many hardships wonyoung had to juggle because she debuted at such a young age and was still going to school and staying up late because she had to study hard for tests.
And people still give her hate 😭
Wonyoung also said how it makes her sad seeing young idols debut at her age and wishes they could stay in school for a bit
I just wish idols could focus on their education first and debut once they're GROWN
@@phag4eva Me too it must be super hard for them I hope they have a good life tho
Im happy wonyoung is great student in school, she is still amazing idol for me.
She trying her best
my heart sank when 16 year old yeojin talked about her favorite flavor of dieting jellies on one of her mylives. like obviously the dieting that all kpop idols are forced to go through is not okay but its just so horrible knowing she was so young and already had such an unhealthy relationship with food. that was kind of the moment that really opened my eyes to how horrible blockberry was as a company (as well as the idol industry in general)
God and Yeojin weighs SO LITTLE now like it's concerning. It broke my heart when the girls talked about the extreme diets and forced running they had to do before debut and they laughed through it now like "Haha manager thanks for those days, we had fun!" Like that shit is traumatic.
@@calling.moon.twelve i understand your concern but has yeojin’s weight been confirmed? if her weight was released by the company and not her herself it is likely fake. most companies lie about idols heights and weights. it’s messed up
@@skylerk126 yes a while ago on Vlive Yeojin fact checked an online profile of hers and revealed she weighs less than 36 kg. That's concerning even for someone as short as Yeojin. For reference I'm also very small 155 cm and 48 kg and my doctor told me it could be dangerous for my health if I lost any weight. Of course every body is different but it is concerning when you consider the kind of terrible dieting Yeojin was forced to undergo when she was very young. Those kinds of diets can have lasting negative impacts on your metabolism
@@calling.moon.twelve okay thank you for the information
I didn’t know about that omg
it annoys me so much when kpop stans flip the table and say “you’re weird for looking at it from that perspective” when it’s obviously another case of the industry profiting off of exploiting minors.
yes!!! I see that so much... but like, it's not "our minds in the gutter", it's that we KNOW the staffs did this on purpose because they know there's a market for this....
she’s absolutely a weirdo and should get some backlash for this… god bless my girls in newjeans GET BEHIND ME GIRLS! I’LL PROTECT YOU!
@Bang me Chan your profile pic is WILD lmao
@@jacobsyoutubeaccount7931 /$;$;&/@-“ omg i just noticed 😭😭
@@kdg6924 like the thirst level on that comment was on a slight simmer then I read the profile name and saw the pic and it all checks out now 💀
@Bang me Chan your profile pic ajsjdjdjsmsmskssks
It’s more than Heejin… it’s the whole damn industry and y’all STILL support it
why are companies so scared of debuting 19-20 year olds :DD and why do younger fans think the moment you turn 20 your time is up and you’re not good enough anymore????
Im saying! Sadly that is what they think! What's wrong with us 00s people are we too old?
@@pastelhotmess9299 in my 30s. been told I am too old to listen to kpop..... since when has ageism been so rampant in kpop??
@@dancingbella23 I felt that to my core.
tbh… i think it’s just because tweens and teens are malleable and more likely to do the companies bidding than (young) adults
why? because if you’re young you’re easier to manipulate. Like that’s the whole thing. Young minds are impressionable and because if they get them to train while they’re young these kids won’t have any other option in their career line instead to hope to become an idol. I think Lucas said this, like you’re so invested in being a trainee for years, instead of going to high school so if you don’t become a successful idol you have to catch up on your studies or either become a cashier. Why companies make them go to Idol schools like SOPA instead of a real school, so they won’t have a choice.
(FYI SOPA isn’t a typical school, it’s mostly just for certification and show to say they graduated. Most of them still train and learn in their company facilities)
The fact that min heejin called the sherlock photoshoot a "gift for noonas" grosses me out so bad, it makes the issue with the photos of taemin, the photoshopping of jonghyun's abs, etc etc even worse
She did what….
I always think about it like this- would they let a 14 year old go work at a bank just because they are naturally ‘good at maths’ or are passionate for banking… No! Everyone would still recognize that they are a child and that it is frankly ridiculous! Your brain is still developing and changing so people who say ‘they can decide for themselves’ need to stfu. Adults need to take care of kids and teens as they don’t know what’s best for themselves all the time. How many child actors have come out and said how traumatizing their childhood was. How many taemins and boas and wonyoungs need to say how much they regret giving up their childhoods for y’all to listen!! Why not let them live their lives and do more training and let them debut as adults who actually know what they are getting themselves into! As for min heejin, god will judge her accordingly but we seriously need to shame her and boycott her so she cannot work with anymore minors.
If this doesn’t change peoples minds, I don’t know what will.
Humans are both not completely mentally and emotionally developed until 25, like there's science behind that.
That's the point though, like to be a banker you need a degree which you usually get at towards your 20s, which makes much more sense in overall fulltime work. No child should be working full time ESPECIALLY so scrutinised like that
@@bkzl thats actually pesudoscience, your brain doesnt finish developing at 25
Ok
But theres passion and dream,. They can be still be guided by their parents now that theyre active on the industry.. . I mean, parents usually let children go to school to study by themselves right??
What they need to do with the minor though is to give them appropriate clothes,song, and right care as they're still minors... for surr there are private lessons for them. Parents must not leave their children unguided though because the industry is scary.
Undeniably, she has great taste, and the projects she was/is in charge of are amazing...for 20+ year olds. Thank you, ajanaevis, for this. Kpop is fun but shit like this is so common it’s crazy, especially in 2022. There are too many examples of minors undergoing plastic surgery, being dressed sexily and overall being s*xualized by fans and industry seniors. Will it be different for this girls? I doubt it. Will this continue the trend of debuting kids? Totally.
Topics like this always remind me of a thought that I vocalized to my mom a little while ago. Being a kpop stan is such a moral dilemma because on one side of things you want to support your idols because you know how much they worked to be where they are at and the ammount they've had to endure to get there. However, on the flip side you also know that Kpop Companies are exploiting these idols, selling them as products, and not treating them like humans. I might make a video about it sometime in the future, but yeah this whole situation is just dissapointing and honestly stomach-churning.
we would love to see it bestie
exactly???
i really need people to realize that kpop at its core is an exploitative and it’s “good to support the girls” but the heads of the companies do not care about that at the end of the day. sure you can argue the market is for teens and tweens, but there’s constant trends of more grown adults stanning children and that is the problem of making the debut of minors a norm
i also need people the understand that the girls cannot do anything about this and sending any type of hate towards them makes no sense, they are quite literally victims of a very sick system. i hope they have as safe of a career as possible
theyre signing up for this and adults supporting a group isnt weird or wrong we're not stanning for sexual reasons sure bad people exist but the majority of us like im 23 i support certain groups with younger members because i look at them like a proud older brother not like damn girl u fine and thats the problem ur taking a small minority of problematic people and making it seem like all adults are weirdos or pedos and thats just not the case and if these kids parents allow them to do this and they voluntarily do it like they are then why cant they if theyre talented enough once puberty is done their voices are fully devoloped where its safe to debut they should be allowed to but 14 should be the loungest possible age becuase i believe youre old enough and mature enough there to make that decision
@@chady1229 no this is still weird. parasocially making yourself an older sibling does not stop the exploitation and why debut minors and open them up to even be in the situation where they get sexualized? let them have an actual childhood, time and time again idols that debuted young say it’s a terrible decision. and that doesn’t really change the fact that the CEO of the company in question literally has a deeply strange fascination with children while taking inspiration from media that is ABOUT exploiting children.
@@moarika7378 its weird to be a 23 year old and STILL not recognise how unsafe it is to debut literal 14 year olds. the youngest age to debut SHOULD be 17-18. 14 is nowhere CLOSE to being mature, 14 is most teenager's transition phase to teen life and adulthood. heck, some girls didnt even have their PERIODS at 14, they have not even finished puberty yet. rethink what you said please.
@@moarika7378 oops i replied to the wrong person oh god sorry
THANK YOU! I wish I could explain it this well but you nailed it!!
Especially the problem that is debuting minors and grown adults stanning *literal children* 🙃
About the pictures in her house, including the picture with the paper with the writing at the bottom, she was only 15 and was forced to do an inappropriate “devils tango” scene. She wasn’t aware of that part but she had to do it. Min HeeJin also has the cd for that movie (French version) and it has underaged (15 y/o’s) “devils tango” scenes. Her homescreen on her phone is also a child wearing *no* clothes. Honestly I’m not sure why she isn’t in jail yet, someone needs to inform authorities cause it’s illegal to have child “tango” videos etc.
My heart *ACHES* for those girls…
Wow rich people really can just get away with anything
how did you see her home screen? or find out about her having the movie? do you have a link
i too would like to know your source
@@aespaqueens2244 yeah i think people just listing random things now. the only thing that’s actually noticeable is the two pictures in her home and then ofc the one reference she did with danielle in that one concept photo
and the fact shes so open with her preference is crazy for me😭
People have been calling her out for years, if you go back to earlier instagram posts international fans have been calling her a p*do for a while now. So this isn’t new, it’s crazy this lady still has a job when she’s so outward about being obsessed with this. Even if there’s no way for them to kick her out for allegations I just don’t get why companies still work with her when she’s at the very least a huge creep!
@@Chellz801 Because She's not the biggest creep, she's just one of that visible crees, there are more creeps and p3dos that are older and with more power than her, they are the ones who aproobe and also consume that content from idols. They see it like a win- win situation that also gives them lots of money.
The creeps and p3dos are the ones on the peaks of power in kpop industry.
I hope the girls will be safe and hopefully the situation will be dealt with in the correct way.
Hybe: (girl group having a problem)
everyone: ah sh!t here go again
She will be dealt with accordingly
she will be burning under the pits of hell i fear
jail
@@ajanugu she better
@@pinkvixenz worse! prison!
i really really hope so
I think another problem we face is the people online (twitter) who keep preaching to debut older idols but then they debut people like around the ages of 21-25 and call them old and make stupid comments about their age. Like please get over yourselves...
jesus christ hybe really cant avoid a scandal nowadays
and newjeans stans on twt who don't understand the issue are just downplaying it as "4th gen stans who are scared of newjeans' success" - just because you haven't seen people bringing up this issue doesn't mean they haven't done it. plz be serious and stop defending child exploitation over music (which wasn't even that groundbreaking)
Knowing how companies deal with controversies and how they always shut up, they will do nothing about this even if we complain. There's just too many people involved, it's too much for the girls, being around them and also having to deal with bad comments. I hope they realize this and speak out loud about it so other people will be able to help, just like natalie portman did...
@@amelienotpoulain can i ask about the natalie portman thing. Cause all i know is that she acted in that Leon film
OMG thank you for bringing up the Yuna situation at MAMA! I mentioned this in a comment once and was told I was weird for thinking it’s strange that they’re pole dancing in latex, leather collars and masks as a man watches them, only a few days after she turned 18. When the week before people were complaining her black dress was too sexy for a minor. The beginning of the performance was clearly meant to look like a… show. And we all know what the lyrics of LOCO are about. 👀 Yeji isn’t talking about a cat 🐱. And every week on the lead up to her 18th birthday people were saying “stop sexualising Yuna” but as soon as she turned 18 it stopped. That’s so weird, she’s still a kid. Why do people think that 18 magically made it okay to sexualise her…
But anyway I definitely feel like the whole point of that MAMA performance was the liberation from being controlled. That’s why Ryujin took off the collar from Yeji and killed the guy that was watching. The creative director said it’s all about women having freedom. But I find it so ironic that in Kpop, they’re constantly acting out stuff that they can’t actually do in their own lives. They can’t get rid of the creepy men controlling or watching them. But they pretend to do it for our entertainment. Like with New Jeans “being teenagers” going to parties falling in love, but now because they debuted they won’t ever actually experience those things like everyone else. Hopefully things change in 4th/5th generation and idols are allowed creative and personal freedom but as they are debuting so young, i doubt it. Young idols are easier to control so I think companies try and capitalise off that.
Damn i didn't realize it was *that* horrible
lt's all just for sale and consumption where they don't follow what they preach, everything boils down to an aesthetic to get indulged into
People seem to have forgotten this
Straight to jail with her, why is it so hard for people to be normal and not FREAKS 🫠
right!?!??! i was thinking yesterday how people cant fucking be normal about kids. like its either i hate children theyre the spawn of the devil or shit like this 🤢🤢🤢
I don’t like the people calling people who call out the weirdness “p3dos”… like no they are just calling it out we ain’t dumb or weird noticing it either.
I've seen some people argue that the ages of the girls, concept, and styling are okay because "it's for teens" but Kpop as a whole is largely being marketed towards people in their 20s-30s. Yes, teenagers are absolutely driving forces behind fandoms, but lots of adults buy albums and concert tickets. Who is more likely to have more disposable income? A teenager who may get allowance/have a part time job or a 20 something with a full time job? Just something to think about
"Bathing in her refreshing energy". I wish I could understand korean to know if this sounds AS WEIRD as it does in English '-'. The context makes this sounds so yikes considering the age difference and ALSO- why would you let your kid alone with a grown adult without supervision.
The most upsetting and concerning thing for me will always be "where are their parents". I think it's so irresponsible to let these kids debut underage, their legal guardians should be blamed JUST as much, if not more.
@@felixfors9340 ok
applaud you on commenting about this issue
this is kinda a breaking point for me … i’ll admit tho i’ve had a lot of complaints about kpop groups i’ve never committed to boycotting. but kids debuting is not only immoral but dangerous. i don’t think i can live with myself if i keep supporting this in any way. so i’ll begin w boycotting this group and then all groups w minors. idk how far i should take it tho, i’ll post some questions i have in the replies so anyone who’s also doing could maybe answer. thanks for clearing up some of the misinformation btw!
alright so all my questions basically boil down to: is it okay to stop boycotting groups once they all turn 18?
how do you plan on boycotting them?
@@koa3871 well i’ll start w no buying albums, downloading their music unlegally, not streaming their content and not posting about them online
@@melonramune i’m doing this too
off topic yall know the horrible poorly made movie named cuties...yeah..this is what kpop is slowly turning into
Parents should Always be hyper-vigilant when handing their kids over to strangers. ALWAYS.
Okay jokes aside.. love you for talking about this, as someone who has been preyed on this is a serious issue for me and the way that Heejin is targeting Newjeans is genuinely sick
min heejin has ruined every sm project she has ever worked on for me. now i can't watch back my faves music videos without thinking her nasty ass worked on them. She needs to be investigated. The fact that some people don't see the real issue and only think people are attacking their faves is concerning.
Same..
Min heejin also prevent taemin from working out so his chest would look like a young boy wtf
THANK YOUUUU for pointing out how people are so quick to defend outwardly nasty concepts/dances/stages or whatever by saying they're "owning their sexuality" (when they're barely legal or not even legal at all) or accusing the person calling it out of being a creep... like, i'm not a creep for thinking it's weird to have a minor wearing revealing outfits and dancing suggestively. i've been a young girl myself and have experienced firsthand how some adults don't know how to act. i want these idols to be protected and, ideally, i want there to be a minimum age of 18 at the youngest for idols to debut or even be taken on as a trainee (cuz let's be real, trainees have it harder than debuted idols)
Let's just hope this doesn't become an R. Kelly situation and have it take more then three decades before they're brought to justice.
the only way this can change, not only for newjeans, but the industry to get a wake up call is for EVERYONE to boycott this group, which sadly won't happen. just taking a look at their album preorders is enough to tell me a lot of people do not give a fuck! surprising... i know a lot of people argue the girls have no blame and i agree, but it's just not right to stan them or even listen to their music casually because at the end it's still support that the company will see directly through numbers and they'll continue thinking "oh well no one had a problem with us debuting young teens so i won't stop" which will also be seen by other companies who'll recreate it after seeing the success.
exactly! boycotting is the only way to show our disgut
I don't think people are boycotting the group because they almost have half a million pre-orders
@@precillapop5812 yup that's what i said, which sucks bc i feel like a real change won't happen unless ppl boycott
Fans don't give a SHIT. If it's literally not affecting their own fantasies and weird specifics expectations, they don't genuinely care about idols, they won't be bothered. :|
kpop stans dont give a fawk , you give them some y2k aesthetic and R&B sounds and they're SOLD ! this cycle will keep on continuing , kpop stans will keep on supporting underaged groups much younger than them , companies will keep on profiting , they'll keep on debuting these underaged kids , so many idols have spoken up about how debuting so early fucked up their mental health badly yet no one cares, there will be fake outrage over this issue for a while & then after a week everyone will go back to using those kids as their pfps , kpop stans have no shame
idk anything about this situation but I just wanna say Jeon Heejin>>>>
why... why is she like this. the obsession with innocence is honestly REALLY freaky, like calm it girlie...
I remember an article that say in 2008 lee sooman said “people in their 30s and 40s are emerging as main cultural consumers, and Girls’ Generation specifically targets the men in that age group" it's creepy that the ceo of the agency think like that
what i hate the most about this issue is that people are not so serious and not giving a fuck about the topic. like they're comparing who's least problematic company something or suddenly bringing up disturbing shit things just to satisfy their ego and ofcourse to hate on idols.
"when you are devoted on something/someone you won't care if they're right or wrong, as long as things are in line with what you want, it's the one you'll always choose to believe to." they are like that! they are sick! they don't really care about those children being mistreated they're weird ass shits! i hope everyone knows how serious this topic is.
protect new jeans girlies at all cost.
even if she didn’t exactly say that brooke shields is her “muse” or whatever those pics of her just lying around her home sounds really creepy to me
I am a minor myself and i knew all these things, it's nothing new unfortunately, just like you said if we want this to change we're going to need a big cultural shift which is crazy. The history of adults exploding children never ends, it's in Hollywood, in the kpop industry, everywhere. I'm still a big fan of newjeans, I think the girls are very talented and no one denies that, it's the path that them and their family chose, they will suffer for sure because being known by so many people is not easy at all, but they will learn and I hope nothing really bad happens to them, you know, with so many weirdos spread here and there. The same with ive, le sserafim, and many others.
All i need to say is.... Protect newjeans and get min heejin in jail
HYBE's girl groups are cursed, like how is every single one of your newest girl groups always in controversy and they JUST DEBUTED. They need to do better background checks on EVERYBODY. I personally think the highest age these idols should debute should be 18-21. And these grown adults stanning these groups is creepy, let's not normalize this weirdo mess.
Yeah, the fact is that ACTUALLY it's the grown adults the ones with actual money AND time to spend. People say they're marketed to young teens/kids but how many of these kids will: Buy merch, album, songs, go to showcases, concerts, attend fansigns..... I can't even imagine what their in person fansigns will look like in terms of age range.....
I call it the GLAM curse
@@faceyl FACTSSS
@stars forever Exactly, just stick to what you're good at aka boy groups.
@stars forever 😖🤢🤮
I'm just shocked she has those pictures on her wall, it's weird enough that you put it up on your walls (and imagine a guest coming into that room) and even weirder that you post it on insta with no shame...
Yikes, given her position this seems like a potential rabbit hole that could be industry wide.
the entertainment industry is full of creeps this is common knowledge.
Crazy how i just checked your channel to see if you posted about this
i talked about it in my livestream yesterday! and on instagram a bit when it first happened
people truly do not take this shit seriously n thats what gets me. these girls are in genuine danger but stans are more concerned about possible stan wars like.. its so frustrating
Seeing this I kind of understand why people stop being kpop fans
I really like how u explained the styling issue in kpop. When I 1st saw the articles of clothing you were talking about I was like “normal teenagers wear that stuff” but when u explained the difference between personal choice and grown adults choosing things for u I truly understood.
Being around in 2009/2010 for kpop I remember the backlash and questioning if Suzy when she debuted by some people in Miss A at like 15
their predebut fans worshipping min heejin and saying stuff like "don't worry min heejin is with us🥰" was always weird to me.. like how well do u know this woman to the point of worshipping her ??
I don’t see an issue with 14-18 y/olds debuting in general, provided the concepts of the group are age appropriate along with their outfits and diets. This is, in kpop, unfortunately not a reality. I just hope the girls’ mental health is not affected 😔
minors should not be in kpop period...
I 200 Billion percent agree!!! I hope many revisit this video during this Ador vs Hybe fiasco.
Researching this made me think a lot... because what I realized is that there are probably many more people like Min Heejin who have more power than her working with minors in this industry. We may never even know about them. The only reason why we are able to speak on her like this because she has a public image. Many managers, producers, and directors do not. South Korea needs better legislature to protect these minors if companies insist on debuting them.
off topic but your voice is so calming to listen to
I was actually VERY uncomfortable with new jean’s “Attention” mv. Sure, the mv’s story line is for the attention of a boy the same age… but ultimately, the REALITY is that they are singing about “give me attention” when their fans will include GROWN MEN SINGLING ALONG TO THIS
While doing body rolls in handkerchief tops and low rise jeans
im so disappointed with the news cause i rly enjoyed the concept and whatnot but now....the situation is so weird and i was even thinking of getting the album but i dont think i will now after all of this :/
i will be rooting for the girls though!!!
@@loonaaoty3957 same! but I won’t stan them until heejin is outttt
I just commented about getting the album right before seeing this :/
Same I feel bad because for sure not a fan of she who must not be named yet I do like the songs newjeans put out and do think the gals are talented and now I am like, can we be a fan still? I always said you can be a fan music wise only and it's OK to like 4th gen groups even if you are from 3rd gen era or something and that's ok but I also don't know when that line is like crossed ya know what I mean? Like I wanna go all mama bear on newjeans and protect them also like I do hope the are OK and the concept is normal but at the same time, considering what the lovely video creator pointed out, how shall we know? It's weird indeed OP because I don't want to fully say fudge newjeans because if we do go against buying their music then this does I believe sadly effect their careers and I don't want the artist to get it when it's the penguins as I call them, that should be the ones effected ya know what I mean? Very weird and tricky thing =/
Also I hope no one is being mean to the girls like they aren't the ones to point fingers! The artists aren't the ones to be mad at loves!
@@annadziekonska7366 i completely understand its just a very weird situation all i can hope is that mhj will distance herself from the girls otherwise i will be really worried about them ://
i was so confused by how young they are, and with the very minimal make up/virgin hair and i thought it was refreshing and cool, but after learning about all of this i am quiet disturbed. it’s so scary to think she actually believes that them being so young will make better profit. but what’s wrong with 20+ year old? they still look extremely young but at least their brains are more developed!
If you are getting your inspiration from these types of inappropriate photos, movies and concepts, that is simply not ok. Like, why would you have this type of stuff in your house, studio, work area, etc. Get where I am going?
She's not in jail because she's not the biggest creep, she's just one of that visible creeps, one that produces and works for them, there are more creeps and p3dos that are older and with more power than her, they are the ones who aproove and also consume that content from idols. They see it like a win- win situation that also gives them lots of money.
The creeps and p3dos are the ones on the peaks of power in kpop industry.
some kpop stans have been saying "you guys are only bringing this up bc nwjns are gonna outsell/outdo your favs" , but not everything is about fanwars? this is a real concerning issue here..?
Thank you so much for raising awareness on this
Thanks for speaking up about this....I was very uncomfortable seeing the maknae wearing those cloths in Attention MV but ppl told me that there is something wrong with me for seeing her like that.
Anyway people pls pray for my insomnia I haven't slept properly for past 6 months...It almost 1 AM here.
I don’t see any wrong clothing on the maknae tho
@@zarrieforever4159
She wears really short crop tops and at times they're definitely way to short.
And I know that many teens wear stuff like that (I do too), but we're not doing it infront of the world
@@Faeriiexx you’re… still doing it. Like what logic is that.
@@lacienagalacey9454
Yeah, I am wearing crop tops but I don't have old men watch me dance in them. I also don't have a whole company focusing on my image and telling me what to wear.
There's a difference between 15 year old me choosing to wear something shorter and between a bunch of adults choosing a crop top for me to wear
@@zarrieforever4159 3:49 the girl in the short black crop top in the image on the left is hyein, the freshly-14 maknae. you really don’t see anything wrong with her being dressed like that by a team of adults?
Tbh You cant argue w 13y old -16ylds on the internet They dont know any better , and just talk to talk , taking useless Space in serious conversations
I feel so bad for the girls I just hope they're safe and in a safe environment.
I think you're right on the money. people tend to get very tripped up when it comes to things like this and seem to not want to think through the things they say even when an issue is complicated. thank you for providing a nuanced perspective.
either way I feel bad for the girls in newjeans and all the minors that were subjected to things they either weren't comfortable with or just didn't have enough perspective to see how they were bad at the time. whether people like to think about it or not, "innocence" is profitable. both aesthetically and business wise. a young teen isn't going to know jack about contracts, litigation or how to take care of themselves in an industry like this. so long as the company gets its money, the regrets of the people they used to get it are not their problem.
I like min heejin creativity but this makes me worried 😭
I always thought a situation like this in kpop was bound to happen, so many western artists have been open about their mistreatment and sexualization in the ent industry for us to think kpop would be any different. People below 18 shouldn’t set a foot near the entertainment industry, it’s too unsafe
Thank you for talking about this, it's so important! And for reiterating that yes, this is not just about Heejin but how the whole industry normalizes child exploitation. Something else that gets sweeped away in the converstation is also the child Labor. Are Child labor laws being followed and regulated, how are these laws actually being enforced? It worries me.
and people are using this scandal to hate on the girls and sexualize them which kinda defeats the whole purpose of why they're mad.
Yeaaaa we’re gona need a part two
I feel like there’s nothing that can be done. She’s not going to be fired because the people above her don’t care. If she does, who knows what type of person is going to manage them and they can end up back in the same position. If they’re boycotted, it will show their company that they’re not worth continuing their career and leave them to the side or disband them.
I said it once ill say it again hybe really needs to either do a deep dive into everyone they work with and debut or stick to ruining their boy groups
I don’t need to know much about her, if I hear that her inspiration for a photo shoot or a concept is Lolita I cancel her immediately no need to tell me more
I will always side eye people supporting this group. The girls haven't done anything wrong at all, but the profits and the support is all going to min heejin in the end. The members are young. They have a lot more of their life left, and can very easily go into other, safer industries, or even debut later when they're a little older. So, yeah. If you can't even boycott a group that is very clearly built around exploiting children, then that says a lot about you..... I don't even care how good the music is lmaooooo have a backbone pls and go click on another song 😭 Everyone's always like "what about OTHER GROUPS" 🤷♂️ that's weird too. But why are you diverting the conversation....... This is about nwjns and how most of their current 'popularity' comes from people coming to know how creepy and manipulative the people around them are. There is no excuse here lol
Sure there is. If you say A you also have to say B in regard to other groups/companies given that the whole k-pop idol industry is pretty much built up around the very concept of exploiting minors/ young adults and have all kinds of questionable and creepy tactics/practices thereof. Always have been the case, always will be.
Quite frankly, I like that the lady in question is so high profile, frank and open about what she does for a living. She appears to be one of the best in her field of work and that the New Jeans girls are well selected, trained, supported and marketed. Being the entertainment products they are, that's all that really matters for most of us consumers at the end of the day.
I absolutely believe that precaution should be used when dealing with her from now on tbh. Everything I saw with peoples accusation against her was too weird to shake off. I know that teenage girls should be given autonomy regarding their future but I just cannot get with literal children being set up in a girl group that will indefinitely be dealing so much damaging attention good or bad, especially finding out that a large chunk of their album sales came from 20-30+ year old people………I truly wish any young kid debuting in the kpop industry nothing but the best.
I remember when Itzy debuted and JYPE had them performed ‘good girl bad girl’ knowing full well the only adults were Yeji and Lia. The other 3 couldn’t even sing any part of the song except “you don’t know me, so shut up boy” and I’m like why did we need this performance? To say they performed their sister groups song…and I love chae but that lil sexy drop they had her do at the beginning wasn’t needed and Yuna was 15 at the time, the whole thing was just unnecessary and I’m shocked they haven’t made nmixx perform it (yet).
as someone who is a minor/teenager i’m glad to see this being talked about and brought to light these days. it’s simply never okay to sexualize anyone if they’re not comfortable but it is WAY worse when it is involving a minor in any aspects that may feel weird or unusual for them. i find it so so weird how min heejin is already using these girls for her disturbing profit although idk if she’s the one putting them in uncomfortable outfits like that or anything but if she is, it just gives me the absolute icks. and like you said most teenagers do dress like that but the huge difference is we’re the ones choosing our clothes, not grown adults. and even tube tops i would say are more suitable for 18 or older too, but still it’s so odd even with that. it really reminds me a bit of the britney spears situation where i think when she was like in the hit me baby one more time mv she was seen being exploited in a schoolgirl outfit which was sorta revealing and even that raised a few eyebrows from people at the time tbf. but we need to start doing something about companies debuting kids SO young! now i don’t have hope that this will ever stop being a thing in this generation as we’ve seen with certain groups debuting at similar ages but let’s hope it can end soon becuz i’m tired of hearing another poor child being taken advantage of by adults in general. 🤦🏽♀️
she’s a predator and she needs to get tf away from the members, hopefully HYBE finds about this soon and it will be dealt with.
I remeber when Yeri first debuted and people were hating on her so much.
I agree with you. I swear if people defend this woman I'm gonna... disappointed
And y'all said I was weird for feeling uncomfortable with this group 🙄😔
Thank you sm for this video, it needs to be addressed ASAP
I feel bad now because when i first saw the album's she previously worked on at SM i was supporting her and thought she was an okay person but now i just want her 100 miles away from any idol, JAIL
Literally everything you said in this video is what I have been saying when it comes to minor kpop idols. I’m a long time kpop fan so I’m so glad Min Heejin’s creepy tendency to exploit these young idols with sexualising imagery is now being more widely called out. Also I’ve always pointed out questionable choices JYP made in managing Yuna’s image but I’ve been blasted by stans saying that I’m the weird one for viewing her that way so when I knew Aespa was going to consist of all adult members (at least by average international standard) I was relieved.
*Sidenote:* SM just introduced 26 yo Shohei as an SM Rookie. I’m not putting SM on a pedestal but knowing that they were willing to take him as a trainee in the first place is so damn refreshing. I better not see weirdos calling him a hag like he’s some sort of senior citizen cause that guy is a way more well adjusted than they’ll ever be.
I prefer to watch 20 years old acting cute that 14 yo acting weird,,, seriosly why people defends her? Just for the music? remember that she doesn´t make that .-.
It’s so upsetting that Min Heejin is giving predator because if we ignore the weird parts of her work, it’s honestly so good 😔😔
I rlly hope the girls will stay safe and be okay but unfortunately we have seen this before especially if you’re an orbit. The pr about how much their taken care of mentally, and treated as “family” buts not that case and unfortunately it’s going to take systemic changes to stop these young idols from debuting and also weirdos like min heejin from being a creep. It just scares me a when children are supposed to viewed as objects for mass consumption especially when the K-pop industry thrives on the parasocial relationship between idol and fan.
I have been expecting NewJeans' debut since the Plus Girl Audition announcement in 2019 and was super excited but I never imagined they would chose literal children to debut, I feel so umconfortable knowing the oldest member is a few months older than me, and their maknae is literally a 2008's liner, specially with the suggestive lyrics Cookie has, I feel bad for the girls:/
it’s so funny how others trying to bring Ningning here and say: “they announced nn days after she turned 18, she debut one month afters she turned 18” yo weirdos r just confirmed that nn debut at legal age being the maknae. Stay away nn from this
shes genuinely such a creepy woman… with everything from what she said about nct dream, krystal and taemin and the concept and treatment of her new group… its kinda terrifying
Ohh.... I've been thinking about you when I'm lurking on stan twt about this issue. Gonna listen to your opinions and thoughts now.
Honestly I feel the entire kpop industry is weird. The artists are getting younger on average and Honestly, given the sexlessness in South Korea, it's alarming who these young artists are being promoted to.
the girls are getting way too young to debut and they’re still growing and maturing. the idol industry is very dangerous for young people because it’s so sexualised and they’re gonna be heavily affected by dieting (forced or by choice). and the amount of HATE groups get sometimes so they should - at the youngest - be debuting at like 16/17
16/17 is still too young... minors should not be debuting at ALL.
you said all of this to still want minors to debut...
idk if this might sound crazy and i might get called delusional for this but honestly people aren't focusing on the fact that the guardians of these CHILDREN even allowed them to audition in the first place?? this messed up culture is rooted so deep so far as families that none of the people who are supposed to care for their well-being even stop to think about how messed up the industry is.
aya if im being honest i used to really dislike ur channel because i thought you had questionable takes, but i'm glad ur one of the few ktubers that can put kpop aside to discuss a much broader topic thts too nuanced for twt. u did well and its def needed as newjeans stans have loose screws in their head and think bringing this topic up is just to hate on the girls/fanwars. ty for this video bb
last time I see people talk about this issue when sulli do lolita photoshoot and I'm happy more people see the issue now
ive been waiting for your video about this situation
Lots of people are saying that newjeans should not be supported by fans anymore as MHJ said how hyein haerin and hanni reached out to her plus how hyein cried and how haerin wanted to hear her voice and hanni was worried about her, the thing Is MHJ already brainwashed them, I mean she is an evil woman and do not even deserve 20% of newjeans, she produced classic music which made NJ shine so much, but what we never knew was this extreme evil side of her, newjeans already is brainwashed, I feel so bad for them, I already went in depression cuz of gfriend and now my new happiness is about to fade, please hybe save them istg, I will never listen to kpop if newjeans is gone, they are my everything.
never trusting another creative director again istg 💀
Thank you for your very eloquent words, I'm just finding out about this situation and you summed it up very well.