They work great on NON-important parts, like hand wheels e.t.c. I would never use them to replace real ones in, for example, a steering mechanism for a car or truck.
Love the surface finish he got. I remember the first time I was shown a shaper and what sort of a finish could be achieved. It was when our class in mechanical engineering was sent to the workshops at the end of our first year for a 3 week course. We were all dumfounded by the thing. We even got to use it at one point to make grooved jaws for a small bench vise. They are one of those machines I hope we don't ever lose because there are some odd tasks they just do better than a mill like internal keyways.
G'day, Rusti, you made me smile when I realised what you were making at the beginning of the video. 🙂 And I agree with your comment about making things to get to know your new machine,
Tool care... I wish there were methods to fix bad tapers, dinks, burr on women... The first one was scrapped after 12 years... and the second after 3.... Thanks for showing that "the ugly plug" has a protective rim! The old 2 pin mains plugs didn't have it but the newer ones, phased out now days, scrapped, got it too. Once a tin made christmas tree decoration had fallen on the pins to the plug for the light. Father didn't see it and pushed the plug in. Poff and smoke, but not a baby finger there. Time 08:00. I can just agree Michel! "The ugly plug" has its advantages. Nice vise work.
I watched all yours videos and I love them and specially your sense of humor. You can reverse direction on milling machine spindle direction by reversing 2 phase on 3 phase motor. Because of watching your channel I bought small shaper that I restoring now And I will put restoration video on TH-cam when is done.
Hey Michel, re your spindle not turning backwards: Just place a left/right switch which flips two phases right in the cable feeding the motor and you are done:-)
That's a nice mill. If the motor on the mill is 3 phase, you can probably wire up a simple drum switch to swap any of the two legs and it'll run the opposite direction. Maybe that's already in the electrical box?
Excellent quality machine vice, unusual with a "Vee angle Tenon", Excellent job on the analog coordinates, can be quite tricky 😳. Good to see you are not neglecting the old dog, can't let the young puppy get all the attention 😀. Belgian 5 pin plug looks okay to me. Thanks for sharing
Hi Michel ☺ that was a novel way to make a roll pin, ingenious, and the vice jaws turned out good. Little by little you'll work out what this new machine can do, it's going to be fun, thanks for the video, stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Another excellent video. I had to laugh, because it looked just like me. I am always searching through hardware drawers no matter how many times I organize them.
These vises are very different from the kurt type that we usually see in north america. I just found one and I’m cleaning it up to use so this was useful.
Any method to get the desired result is fair game - A thought just made my head hurt . . . but not too badly ;) , when you mentioned that you DON'T NEED a 'surface grinder' , I thought it would be possible to mount a grinding attachment to the shaper's RAM ! * No doubt, the idea has been done by 'someone' at some time ! It may not be the most practical method , but I think it could be a useable possibility ! ( YES , yes . . . keep the grinding grit & dust OFF the shaper ! ! ! ) Great to see you getting to know the Deckel's possibilities , there are many many more to 'get acquainted with' ! ! ! HAVING FUN & getting results . . . that makes the WORK much more like playing ;) Thanks for sharing your FUN with US !
The angle grinder idea has been done by "Haxby_Shed" and "EYUP TONY", with great results. I thought maybe installing a cup wheel on the shaper, but as you mentioned, the grinding dust is a problem.
gday michel thinking out side the box again i love it the last time i seen a roll pin made like that was when i was 8 years old my dad made one for a part that he fixed on a car that we had back in 1965 i learnt lot from him and i still use a lot of those lessons today cheers
Hi Michel. I adore your new milling machine. However what joy when your shaper was pressed into action. Wow, that surface finish 👌 I live in hope that moving forward you continue to use both. Fabulous result with the vice restoration. Well done. Andrew 👏👏👍😀
Nice work, Rusti. You are on a steep learning curve (so am I). That's the beauty of machine tools. You can use them to make tooling to improve the machine. I like the wide table and the 5 T slots. Very handy. Mart.
I like the tapping trick with the drawbar wrench, my mill came with a T-shaped wrench that can reach the drawbar even when the quill is down. Very useful for the little m3 and m4 taps, i'm too scared to drive them in with the motor on
Good day sir: I always enjoy your ingenious fixes for small problems like the roll pin. Since you are one not afraid to make your own tooling where needed, I might suggest making a fly cutter for milling larger surfaces. The cutting edge can be re-sharpened as needed and even the diameter adjusted to fit the job. It will help save your end mills for more specific jobs. Another fantastic video in the books!
So pleased to see you using the shaper. The finish you get with it is tremendous I must watch your tool sharpening videos again. Considering you are new to the mill you look more at ease with it already. Regards Stuart from NN England.
Dit kan geen toeval zijn; Ik heb juist vorige week een Deckel FP1 uit 1980 gekocht via een veiling. Deze zijn we gaan ophalen helemaal in ULM (Duitsland) bij een universiteit. Heb zelf nog nooit met een freesmachine gewerkt maar hoop nu heel veel van U te kunnen gaan leren. Ik wens U in ieder geval heel veel plezier van uw nieuwe aanwinst. Groeten, Gerard van der Meeren (Helmond - Nederland)
Wow your bench vice is bigger than your bandsaw Rustinox. Brilliant solution to fix the moving jaw for machining. Spray some silicone spray or WD40 on your plastic electric plug and socket, that's what I do. I had the same problem a long time ago. Great to see your milling machine working. Tony
Nice vice! For screwing out the taps, maybe it is possible to hammer a small round tube square on one end, if there is room around the drawbar down the spindle hole. Or maybe shape out a square hole in a small piece of round stock and weld it on a rod. Best regards
I worked on newer deckel and one of the switches on the "fridge" was F/R. When cutting with left oriented tools feed also works in reverse and mehanical limit switches do not work, if feed hits end shear pin for feed will brake to save feed gearbox. If your machine has feed reverser than it must be engadged when using left cutting tools. Little bit of WD40 on 3 phase plug pins does wonders.
Great video Michel, I enjoyed it very much. I like the vibe jaws you made, they are perfect if you want to adapt them to the job. Easy to add a fee groove or even cut a small step as needed. Cheers and happy machining!
Another fabulous video Michel. Absolutely loved the intro. That Deckel machine has a few surprises in store I think. Syringes, bolts, soft jaws. Sounds like a horror movie in the making Mr Frankenstein LOL. Another job well done Sir. Its week 2 of building mystery Rustinox tool over here in Halifax. Having tons of fun. Gilles 🇨🇦
Yet again excellent video, your tiny problem is that your brain is in Shaper mode, you must think in milling mode now as well, re damage to your new jaws, this will happen because of the operator not the machine, take care 🤣🤣
Gday Rustinox, well I’ve never seen a roll pin made like this before, brilliant idea, great to see the shaper being used still and not left in the corner, you really can’t bet a shear tool finish, way better then a endmill finish, have you thought about using a TouchDRO system for the mill?, great job as always mate, Cheers
Hi Michel , I noticed that you now have a milling vice on your shaper and a shaper type vise ( fixed jaw on the handle end) on your mill. Ever thought of swapping em? Great video as usual.
Well you got there in the end. Shame you did not have a large facecutter or a Flycutter. Your sticker is on my wall board. It shrank a bit, sorry for that. I am going to run out of room soon. I need a bigger wall. Regards from the UK. Steve.
G'day Rusti. I haven't seen a home made roll pin before, well now I have, that would make a nice video on it's own. I was thinking surely the shaper is faster than the mill, did you have it on a very slow feed rate? Cheers Peter
Very good job. I've never been happy with the finish from an endmill either, all those horrid little circles. I much prefer the finish from a horizontal milling cutter... and I seem to remember you have the arbor and support :-)
Me too. You're quicker with the shaper (not that speed is a requirement for we amateurs) than I am. I prefer horizontal milling, I sharpen cutters I pick up cheaply, but I use the shaper for those things the mill cant do, like cutting internal keyways.
Sir I too have a Deckel FP1. The controller unit does not work. I'm wanting to use a phase converter. Do you know the horse power of the motor and if it should be wired delta or wye?
My machine has a 1,0 / 1,5 KW motor. It's connected in triangle configuration on 3x220 Volt and no neutre. An easy solution for you could be a VFD from 1x220 to 3x220, like I use on my shaper.
Reversing your machine is not that difficult, I assume you have 380/400 volt, then you have earth (green/yellow) 1 neutral N on plug, and 3 live (or phase) L1, L2 and L3. You just turn 2 of the 3 phases, does not matter which. You can get a white/red EU plug that have that feature built into it, I know, then you have to take out the plug, but then, your machine does NOT run while you put it in reverse 😁
Thanks for the shout out Rusti, much appreciated. First roll pin I have seen made like that, well done! Good work on the vice. Cheers, Jon
I agree with the pin.... like my dad would say... its not about what you need, its about who it does! 😉
They work great on NON-important parts, like hand wheels e.t.c.
I would never use them to replace real ones in, for example, a steering mechanism for a car or truck.
The adaptation master strikes again. Great work Rusti.
Use what you have and be happy with it :)
Love your subtle comedic routines Michel. Your videos are unique and enjoyable to watch my friend..
Thank you very much, David. It's just the way I am, that's all.
Over here, we've got a saying that there's nothing more permanent than a temporary fix xD
Great job on the vise - it's looking mighty fine!
I think the "temporary fixes" are a global phenomenon :-)
great update Michel
Nice to see the Mill coming in to life, even nicer to see the shaper has not been retired!!😉
see you next time
Kev
Shaper retired? No way...
Love the surface finish he got.
I remember the first time I was shown a shaper and what sort of a finish could be achieved. It was when our class in mechanical engineering was sent to the workshops at the end of our first year for a 3 week course. We were all dumfounded by the thing. We even got to use it at one point to make grooved jaws for a small bench vise. They are one of those machines I hope we don't ever lose because there are some odd tasks they just do better than a mill like internal keyways.
@@tonywilson4713 100 % behind you there Tony, i love my little Adept Shaper, it punches bigger than it's weight
regards
Kev ( Mr F's W)
Nothing like some shop time with a new machine.
Indeed, it is. But it's very time consuming.
Just a joy to see you with that machine. Thanks for sharing Michel!
My Pleasure.
G'day, Rusti, you made me smile when I realised what you were making at the beginning of the video. 🙂 And I agree with your comment about making things to get to know your new machine,
It's a learning curve. And really interesting to do.
Tool care... I wish there were methods to fix bad tapers, dinks, burr on women... The first one was scrapped after 12 years... and the second after 3....
Thanks for showing that "the ugly plug" has a protective rim! The old 2 pin mains plugs didn't have it but the newer ones, phased out now days, scrapped, got it too.
Once a tin made christmas tree decoration had fallen on the pins to the plug for the light. Father didn't see it and pushed the plug in. Poff and smoke, but not a baby finger there.
Time 08:00. I can just agree Michel! "The ugly plug" has its advantages.
Nice vise work.
The ugly plug saves me from "ripped of skin" on my hands :)
Michel, happy Valentines and get out that ole guitar and enjoy,,,,,,Lov from Tx,,,Bear and sammie.
If I do that, I bet it will start raining again :)
The shaper to the rescue 🙂 Great video, thank you
What should I become without the shaper...?
Yes, you two are soulmates ;-)
Nice work Michel. I think your shaper is working extra hard because its jealous you have a mill. Well done.
I think the shaper and the mill are team mates :)
Hello Michel,
Great work... I was shouting put the jaws on your shaper.
Take care.
Paul,,
And I did :)
I watched all yours videos and I love them and specially your sense of humor. You can reverse direction on milling machine spindle direction by reversing 2 phase on 3 phase motor. Because of watching your channel I bought small shaper that I restoring now And I will put restoration video on TH-cam when is done.
Restoring a shaper? Interesting! Let me know when you post it on TH-cam.
Hey Michel, re your spindle not turning backwards: Just place a left/right switch which flips two phases right in the cable feeding the motor and you are done:-)
I will contact a local specialist i know. He will help me out with this.
That's a nice mill. If the motor on the mill is 3 phase, you can probably wire up a simple drum switch to swap any of the two legs and it'll run the opposite direction. Maybe that's already in the electrical box?
It isn't... yet. But I will install a reverse switch one of these days.
Good one . The 3 phase plugs without a switch scare the crap out of me , when i was young i saw one blow up when someone plugged something in . 👍
Exploding plugs? Sounds scary...
@@Rustinox It was !
Lots of work today Michel. Good results.
Always lots of things to do :)
Excellent quality machine vice, unusual with a "Vee angle Tenon", Excellent job on the analog coordinates, can be quite tricky 😳.
Good to see you are not neglecting the old dog, can't let the young puppy get all the attention 😀.
Belgian 5 pin plug looks okay to me.
Thanks for sharing
Neglecting the shaper? No way!
Very nice job.
All the best
Dan
Thanks Dan.
Hi Michel ☺ that was a novel way to make a roll pin, ingenious, and the vice jaws turned out good. Little by little you'll work out what this new machine can do, it's going to be fun, thanks for the video, stay safe my friend, best wishe's to you and your's, Stuart UK.
Indeed. We're in the process of learning to work together.
I really like the way you are moving in the selection of your machines . Thanks for the look.
Thanks. My pleasure.
Another excellent video.
I had to laugh, because it looked just like me. I am always searching through hardware drawers no matter how many times I organize them.
Maybe if you stop reorganize things...
These vises are very different from the kurt type that we usually see in north america. I just found one and I’m cleaning it up to use so this was useful.
I never used this type of vise before. I suppose it's a good one.
Any method to get the desired result is fair game - A thought just made my head hurt . . . but not too badly ;) , when you mentioned that you DON'T NEED a 'surface grinder' , I thought it would be possible to mount a grinding attachment to the shaper's RAM ! * No doubt, the idea has been done by 'someone' at some time ! It may not be the most practical method , but I think it could be a useable possibility ! ( YES , yes . . . keep the grinding grit & dust OFF the shaper ! ! ! )
Great to see you getting to know the Deckel's possibilities , there are many many more to 'get acquainted with' ! ! !
HAVING FUN & getting results . . . that makes the WORK much more like playing ;) Thanks for sharing your FUN with US !
The angle grinder idea has been done by "Haxby_Shed" and "EYUP TONY", with great results. I thought maybe installing a cup wheel on the shaper, but as you mentioned, the grinding dust is a problem.
gday michel thinking out side the box again i love it the last time i seen a roll pin made like that was when i was 8 years old my dad made one for a part that he fixed on a car that we had back in 1965 i learnt lot from him and i still use a lot of those lessons today cheers
Nice. Always handy to know some tricks.
Hi Michel. I adore your new milling machine. However what joy when your shaper was pressed into action. Wow, that surface finish 👌 I live in hope that moving forward you continue to use both. Fabulous result with the vice restoration. Well done. Andrew 👏👏👍😀
I will continue use both. for sure.
good video rustinox..thanks for your time
Thanks. My pleasure.
I was wondering when the shaper would come to the rescue!
Always nice when you can count on your old friends.
Top work Rusty..... as always!
Finaly found the time to send you a Mail.... sorry for beeing that late....
Stay healthy...
Chris...
No problem Chris. I've got it.
Nice work, Rusti. You are on a steep learning curve (so am I). That's the beauty of machine tools. You can use them to make tooling to improve the machine. I like the wide table and the 5 T slots. Very handy. Mart.
It's really interesting to extend some machining skills. I like experimenting and learning new stuff.
always enjoy your work.
Thanks. Glad you like it.
well done and forward thinking
Thanks Patrick.
Very Nice Michael !!!
Thanks.
I like the tapping trick with the drawbar wrench, my mill came with a T-shaped wrench that can reach the drawbar even when the quill is down.
Very useful for the little m3 and m4 taps, i'm too scared to drive them in with the motor on
Good idea. I could make a wrench dedicated to just that. Thanks for the tip.
Good day sir: I always enjoy your ingenious fixes for small problems like the roll pin. Since you are one not afraid to make your own tooling where needed, I might suggest making a fly cutter for milling larger surfaces. The cutting edge can be re-sharpened as needed and even the diameter adjusted to fit the job. It will help save your end mills for more specific jobs. Another fantastic video in the books!
The fly cutter is on the "to do" list. That will be an upcoming video.
@@Rustinox Fly cutter will also leave better finish imo
So pleased to see you using the shaper. The finish you get with it is tremendous I must watch your tool sharpening videos again. Considering you are new to the mill you look more at ease with it already. Regards Stuart from NN England.
Well, its just a machine. Nothing special. I just have to get used to it.
Hard to believe such a nice machine doesn't have a reverse. Time for a Rustinox fix.
Indeed, I will fix something to make it work.
Dit kan geen toeval zijn; Ik heb juist vorige week een Deckel FP1 uit 1980 gekocht via een veiling. Deze zijn we gaan ophalen helemaal in ULM (Duitsland) bij een universiteit.
Heb zelf nog nooit met een freesmachine gewerkt maar hoop nu heel veel van U te kunnen gaan leren.
Ik wens U in ieder geval heel veel plezier van uw nieuwe aanwinst.
Groeten,
Gerard van der Meeren (Helmond - Nederland)
Da's mooi. Daar ga je zeker veel plezier aan beleven.
Mijn machine is van 1964
Wow your bench vice is bigger than your bandsaw Rustinox. Brilliant solution to fix the moving jaw for machining. Spray some silicone spray or
WD40 on your plastic electric plug and socket, that's what I do. I had the same problem a long time ago. Great to see your milling machine working. Tony
Indeed, the work bench vise is a beast :)
Hi Rusti, you should run your new mill from your VFD which has a reverse function for tapping.
I don't think my VFD has the reverse option. I have to check on that.
Nice vice! For screwing out the taps, maybe it is possible to hammer a small round tube square on one end, if there is room around the drawbar down the spindle hole. Or maybe shape out a square hole in a small piece of round stock and weld it on a rod. Best regards
That's an idea. I will think of that.
I worked on newer deckel and one of the switches on the "fridge" was F/R.
When cutting with left oriented tools feed also works in reverse and mehanical limit switches do not work, if feed hits end shear pin for feed will brake to save feed gearbox.
If your machine has feed reverser than it must be engadged when using left cutting tools.
Little bit of WD40 on 3 phase plug pins does wonders.
Thanks for the WD40 tip. I will give it a go.
You need to invest in a DRO Michel. Oh and a roller blind 😉😉
I do like how you made the jaws and finished them on the shaper .
ARO forever! Nargh! You'll never take me alive!
I think it' a nice example of "use what you have" :-)
gotta love that shaper!!
I do!
Nice job!
Thanks.
Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure.
The quill on that Deckel is so thick !
I don't know. I'm not a quill specialist :)
Nice old vise, and its ready to go.
well, that was the plan :
Hi, really enjoying your videos.
You could look out for a second hand tapping head, which will auto reverse your taps.
That's an idea, thanks.
Great video Michel, I enjoyed it very much. I like the vibe jaws you made, they are perfect if you want to adapt them to the job. Easy to add a fee groove or even cut a small step as needed. Cheers and happy machining!
Adaptable jaws? Good idea. I didn't think of that.
Another fabulous video Michel. Absolutely loved the intro. That Deckel machine has a few surprises in store I think. Syringes, bolts, soft jaws. Sounds like a horror movie in the making Mr Frankenstein LOL. Another job well done Sir. Its week 2 of building mystery Rustinox tool over here in Halifax. Having tons of fun. Gilles 🇨🇦
That's the most important, Gilles... having fun.
@@Rustinox Michel, I sent you an email regarding the tool. Check it out please. Gilles
Yet again excellent video, your tiny problem is that your brain is in Shaper mode, you must think in milling mode now as well, re damage to your new jaws, this will happen because of the operator not the machine, take care 🤣🤣
Hell, I will need a second brain to be able to do that :)
Gday Rustinox, well I’ve never seen a roll pin made like this before, brilliant idea, great to see the shaper being used still and not left in the corner, you really can’t bet a shear tool finish, way better then a endmill finish, have you thought about using a TouchDRO system for the mill?, great job as always mate, Cheers
I was thinking of maybe installing a TouchDRO. Looks like a good system. I have to do some research on it.
That glance @29:37 makes me wonder just how "temporary" that oiling system will be 😉
Just like any other temporary fix I suppose :)
Try to make a fly cutter.
I made mine from Al bit of round stock and a ccmt insert holder.
It does absolute fine finishes .
Nearly mirror like.....
It's on my "to do" list, just like many other things.
thanks
You're welcome.
Hi Michel , I noticed that you now have a milling vice on your shaper and a shaper type vise ( fixed jaw on the handle end) on your mill. Ever thought of swapping em? Great video as usual.
You're absolutely right, David, but his vise is too big for the shaper.
Well you got there in the end. Shame you did not have a large facecutter or a Flycutter. Your sticker is on my wall board. It shrank a bit, sorry for that. I am going to run out of room soon. I need a bigger wall. Regards from the UK.
Steve.
No problem Steve.
The fly cutter is on my "to do" list.
G’day Rustinox. Nice repair on the milling vice mate. Hope you’re well? Cheers 🍻 Aaron
Thanks Aaron. I'm OK.
G'day Rusti. I haven't seen a home made roll pin before, well now I have, that would make a nice video on it's own. I was thinking surely the shaper is faster than the mill, did you have it on a very slow feed rate?
Cheers Peter
I used a feed rate that felt good while hand feeding. I copied aprox the same speed in automatic.
Well, it is almost a Don Johnson growth of stubble, so does that make this your Miami Vice? ;)
Don't think it's made in Miami :-)
Ha now I can see children with new toys mini Rusty lol
Toys? Good idea!
Very good job. I've never been happy with the finish from an endmill either, all those horrid little circles. I much prefer the finish from a horizontal milling cutter... and I seem to remember you have the arbor and support :-)
Indeed, I have the horizontal arbor support. But I also have a shaper :-)
Me too. You're quicker with the shaper (not that speed is a requirement for we amateurs) than I am. I prefer horizontal milling, I sharpen cutters I pick up cheaply, but I use the shaper for those things the mill cant do, like cutting internal keyways.
Can you clean up the vise bed with the shaper?
Absolutely. It will be faster and have a better finish. But I wanted to get used to the mill.
Can you not use the VFD to reverse your mill when tapping?
I don't think my VFD has the reverse option. I have to check on that.
Sir I too have a Deckel FP1. The controller unit does not work. I'm wanting to use a phase converter. Do you know the horse power of the motor and if it should be wired delta or wye?
My machine has a 1,0 / 1,5 KW motor. It's connected in triangle configuration on 3x220 Volt and no neutre.
An easy solution for you could be a VFD from 1x220 to 3x220, like I use on my shaper.
Reversing your machine is not that difficult, I assume you have 380/400 volt, then you have earth (green/yellow) 1 neutral N on plug, and 3 live (or phase) L1, L2 and L3. You just turn 2 of the 3 phases, does not matter which. You can get a white/red EU plug that have that feature built into it, I know, then you have to take out the plug, but then, your machine does NOT run while you put it in reverse 😁
I know a professional industrial electrician. He will help me out wit this.
@@Rustinox You're smarter than me, but then again I have the patience of a gnat, maybe that is why I am a scaffolder 😏
a bigger fraise make the job faster
You're right. But I didn't had one at the time I made this video.