There is truth to the fact that blitzø “started” the relationship, but we have to remember that Stolas was talking about the agreement terms while BLITZØ WAS BEING SHOT AT. It’s not even that Stolas didn’t know - he was watching him in the magic bubble. He was asking a person under duress to agree to transactional sex. Not to mention, if Stolas stops the relationship, he’s fine. If Blitzø does it, he’s in *poverty.* He’s jobless. And from what we see of his apartment, he and loona aren’t in a great place monetarily, and they don’t have much to lose, but if they lose it, they’ve lost EVERYTHING.
I wish the poverty thing got brought up too. While the transactional relationship was a thing, it wasn't just Blitz's job on the line, but Millie, Moxie and Loona's too. Yeah, Stolas would have been lonely and miserable in a loveless marriage, but he was still going to be MUCH better off than IMP. Blitz saw it as selling his body to keep his business (though he's developed feelings for him later that he *refuses* to address because of his self-loathing) and Stolas fell in love with his "little impish plaything." Thank goodness Stolas cared though to give Blitz the crystal so IMP can keep running, at least. That's definitely a point in Stolas' favour.
but its not like Stolas is responsible for their lives though. let's be honest, being in poverty isn't Stolas issue, and its not like Blitz wasn't before in poverty and found a way to get money, so why can't he just earn money without Stolas book. plus he did stole the book but Stolas who was so lonely look the other way and allow him to use it anyway.
@@mayarimarjorie5624 I wonder sometimes if they are even making enough bank lol. Don't m&m complain all the time that they are just getting by or smth? I might be misremembering things tho
But Blitz stole it. Stolas has no obligation to let him keep the STOLEN powerful demon book that could and DID ruin lives lol Barb got her hands on the crystal so? Blitz could have as well bc of his connections with succubi. He just went the easy way of using Stolas bc he knew him from his past. And what did he even expect? That a royalty wont follow up on this? Insane thinking which i could never understand.
He explained that he already understood the situation, just not what life takes seriously in what to take as a joke. Also, who can care about the complexity in a situation when you have the difference between a horrible person and a not horrible person.
@@cablefeed3738 because both of them are horrible first off and second one of those characters writing literally did a 180 halfway through the show and had way more devolpment so we'd clearly take that side as aposed to the other side where we forget that they don't have as much insight as we do
@celestiag.thomas-johnson7067 In what ways is stolas, actually a bad person. Because i'm sorry if I had to hang out with anyone from hell, it would be Charlie, Vaggi, Moxie, or Stolas. Everyone else just kind of sucks. I would have added millie to, but she seems to like killing people.
@@cablefeed3738 him and blitzo are literally the same amount of bad being racist and using people for sex isn't a good thing if you think it is I would invest in new morals he had a clear power dynamic over someone who's whole lively hood along with moxie millie and loona's. Blitzø was literally bought for him as a child I highly doubt that means you have a healthy childhood If you can get sold for a nickle and a condom
I was in no way expecting a serious discussion about the complexity of power imbalances in sexual assault in a video about who’s a worse asshole in a transactional relationship over a portal book in a show about horny murder demons but i am in no way disappointed. Excellently spoken Danny, bravo.
I think to Stolas, "My little Imp" is a pet name. It hasnt occured to him how that comes across to Blitzo. That doesnt make it right, it's just more evidence to how out of touch Stolas is because he grew up rich and with power. Edit: guys im not forgetting about blitzos actions lol. My comment is focused on analyzing stolas and why he acts the way he does.
I think Stolas genuinely means he doesn’t look down on blitz and see him as less than him. But he isn’t trying to understand why Blitz feels that way, the things he says like that pet name
Exactly! I love Stolas, but I will always agree that he hardly ever takes into account other people's feelings. He's self-centered. Not ill intentioned, but he's just not even trying to actually take into account the other person, whether that's Octavia or Blitzø. He doesn't think about how Octavia feels when he takes her to Looloo land, and he doesn't take into account Blitzø's stance in the social hierarchy nor his self worth issues and how Stolas's actions are interpreted by Blitzø. Again, I love Stolas, but this is the first one of his flaws I will point out.
the problem is that blitz does the same thing , calling him bird ,rich bird dude and continuously undermines him... which is in character but stolas never says anything out of love for blitz(it's a sex thing fine til some level but some other time someone should take time for romance and genuine cuddle of one's feeling blitz is completely a stranger to) while blitz instead of ever trying to understand that they have a serious relationship he continues to act like a douche even when stolas spelt it out for him. not his fault but also yes his fault.
Isn't it? Especially any thought of "Well, they ended up enjoying it." Nerves are nerves, they don't care if the stimulation is wanted or not. That exact thing is one of the many, MANY reasons SA messes you up so badly
Stolas in a bath, in luxury, Blitz running away injured fighting for his life while he had his book. I think it sets the tone of the relationship rather perfectly. Blitz wants to be seen as more as an imp- having his own business is something not many imps have i suppose, so him loosing this would be fatal for his self esteem and lifelyhood. just look at how Striker acts towards Stolas, it paints a good picture how looked down on imps are and how much hate it creates against the higher class- rightfully so in my eyes. stolas could not only take away the book but kill Blitz if he wanted to and no one would care. I agree that Blitz is terrible in relationships and shouldnt be in one until he sorted his issues out but he is definitely not the one in control in this transaction.
yeah, i mean, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure imps are currently the only demon race we know of in the show to have a dedicated slur. that combined with Stryker's comment about it being rare to see an imp running their own business indicates that there is definitelysome kind of societal bias against imps
@@DiaBolicalDeathly People don't hate him, but some felt he wasn't being fair to Blitzø/that he was being too hard on Blitzø. His commentary on Blitzø's behaviour and responses when it comes to Stolas have been critical of Blitzø in general been to the tune of "it's so obvious that Stolas wants genuine connection with Blitzø and at this point he's gotta be willfully ignorant not to see it". I haven't watched this particular video yet so I'm not sure how much has changed but from the title it seems he's taken a closer look at what fuels Blitzø's actions/reactions
@@DiaBolicalDeathly people don't hate him, it's just that when he has an opinion about a piece of media, especially on a divisive topic, people's response to it tends to be disproportionate and agressive, so he was surprised that people were willing to have a civil discussion about it this time
@@DiaBolicalDeathly no he’s just a silly goofy guy and as a silly goofy guy myself I can say we’re often the target of the joke. Only take that joke and make it the mercy or lack thereof of the internet. Danny has a pretty loyal fanbase but some chunk of it are sadists for sure
“HB is unclear on what we are supposed to take seriously and what is played for laughs” is honestly a pretty fair criticism. All here for the respectful nuanced discussion, keep up the great content! 🔥💫
If there's just one take someone might want to take out of this vid, it's this one. It's the root cause of why so many people have such vastly different opinions on characters here.
Honestly love Helluva boss more than Hazbin Hotel. The entire show seems a bit “corny” if you get what I’m saying. In Hazbin Hotel they sing to fix their problems (“It starts with sorry” is an example) where as in Helluva boss they sing about their problems or just have random kick ass music in the background as blood is getting shed.
It’s a good criticism in some cases, but I also think the show uses that confusion on comedy vs serious to set up future conflicts. The way Stella is throwing things and screaming at Stolas in s1e2 is easily read as a joke or a minor thing, but it’s used to set up Stella being abusive to the point she tried to have Stolas killed. The diminutive pet names and casual flippancy with which Stolas treats Moxxie, Millie, and the imp servants is used to set up Stolas’ classist attitude being a point of contention between them in later episodes. Things like hell’s sexual harassment power hierarchy (as Danny mentioned) and a lot of physical violence are played for jokes though, and I don’t know if that’ll ever get treated seriously. I suppose it only becomes a problem when it affects interpersonal relationships, which is a bit annoying from a writing standpoint.
Was genuinely flabbergasted listening to the back half of this stream, hearing chat fight Danny on whether that scene of SA was or was not SA (it was, definitely). Like guys, he's 100% correct in saying that this is basic sex ed consent talk shit here, please.
Your insistence on the sexual assault restored some of my faith in humanity, genuinely ESPECIALLY the "-even tho he said no he ended up liking it so that's okay- that's dangerous!" and "if they change their mind midway"
Yeah really proud of how adamant he was about the consent problem. He really wanted to give it the respect it deserved, and points out how fucked it is that everyone is ok with it.
this!!! i’ve dealt with s/a related trauma for years and seeing danny take the scene apart and talking about how stolas was acting absolutely reminded me of myself. my body language is fcking everything. i will continue to talk, act, maybe even think if i’m lucky, but my body will *move as far away as possible*
Not gonna lie. The fact that it was a debate in chat at all kinda scared me to witness. Wow. Still also good the time was taken to be adamant about how necessary it is. Jeez...
No, i understand and agree with the commenter who said that “Blitz shows he cares with how he prepared for the night in Full Moon” which is an observation I made in the episode. If he didn’t care he wouldn’t know nor care to know what Stolas enjoys and what he’s uncomfortable with and it showed in how he selected the “toys” for the night. Its a small thing but its a small thing that matters a lot.
I agree. Blitz spent a lot of time and effort (also money I assume) getting ready for that night to make it special for Stolas. It all went to waste because Stolas didn't let Blitz know ahead of time that that full moon was going to be different.
He went about it in a very avoidant manner, but yeah it was absolutely meant to show he cared, in the way he allowed himself to. You don't get that excited and go to that much effort if there aren't feelings involved. He just refuses to allow himself to actually acknowledge the feelings because it's terrifying and avoidance is his coping mechanism
I love how this love stream went from a discussion on how flawed is one character compared to another into a lesson on SA and what is and what isn't consent. Weird turn but LOVE that Danny was so mature on the entire conversation
I’ll make this simple. Helluva boss is about people born in a bad place developing bad habits due to being around actually bad people. The premise is that they can be better, but risk falling back into their old bad habits.
He's neither tho. Or some mix of both. Because she clearly can read to some extent, and can write single words. But I doubt he can do much more. He even used speech to text to make an add he put on billboard. And we've never seen him text anyone more than two or three words together at max. He also have a complex about being seen as dumb or stupid, so he most likely wasn't taught to write or read too well. He also prefers to call instead of messaging. What kind of person capable of writing would be like that?
@nihili4196 You... just explained the fact that he's illiterate. Illiteracy isn't always completely being unable to read and write. Sometimes, it's one or the other and there's a joke in episode 1 with the sign in the background showing most texts are done through speech-to-text anyway
Back to that episode one phone call, when Stolas used a more complicated word and Blitzø thought it was an insult. As someone who had to navigate a relationship with someone who thought I was talking down to him when I used big words, it's not fun. I had to stop talking like I swallowed a dictionary and he started reading more. This is definitely one of the hurdles they need to overcome.
He may or may not be illiterate, but by god is he technologically illiterate. Guy cannot type more than two words in a row without 3 mistakes, or even use text-to-speech properly. However, when writing he doesn't have nearly as much trouble.
27:29 "I don't want take away any potential viewship" Giving Sarcastic Chorus's video the credit it deserves is an instant like & comment for this vid Also the rant about the perfect Loo Loo Land edit voiced my EXACT thoughts when I watched Sarcastic Chorus' vid
The only thing I'll add to the discussion is this, Intoxicated is Intoxicated, period. If you are Drunk you are Intoxicated, even if you are just "Buzzed" you are still Intoxicated and may be persuaded to do things you would not do if you were not under the influence of Alcohol.
that is fair i dont drink much but even a buzz can help with nerves and anxiety in the moment mind you it can make it worse afterwards but while you feel good you might not think everything through as much because your usual thoughts are more quiet so i could see it being easier for someone to manipulate you
I think the biggest thing that people miss when criticizing Stolas over the transactional relationship is that Stolas doesn't think they're in a transactional relationship. Their relationship starts with Blitzo sneaking in, tying him up, stealing the book, and sleeping with him. We understand that Blitzo emotionally manipulated him, but Stolas does not. Stolas wakes up the next morning absolutely thrilled, and set on divorcing Stella so he can be with Blitzo. That is not how someone responds to knowing their feelings have been manipulated. Then, when he calls Blitzo to make the deal around the book, he frames it as a "fun little thing" they can do. Stolas believes that their relationship is real, and is rationalizing Blitzo stealing the book as the prelude to a roleplay, so Stolas doesn't have to accept the fact that Blitzo used him and stole from him. If it's all a game, Stolas doesn't have to be hurt, so he's prepared to ignore all the red flags to make sure it stays a game. It's only in the Ozzy episode that Blitzo first makes clear to Stolas that Blitzo doesn't see their relationship as real. From that point onward, Stolas doubts his earlier assumption. Soon after, he starts giving Blitzo outs to all their meetings, because he doesn't want to have a transactional relationship, and begins looking for an Asmodian Crystal so Blitzo doesn't need him anymore. Yes, it is a transactional relationship, and yes that is fucked up, but that is not Stolas' fault. Stolas has tried to prevent it from being a transactional relationship and when, in Full Moon, he found out that he had failed, he ended the relationship for both of their wellbeing, and tried to walk away. Blitzo, on the other hand, got angry that the transactional relationship was coming to an end, even though he was still getting what he wanted, and tried to start a fight with Stolas. It being a transactional relationship reflects poorly on Blitzo, not Stolas, because Blitzo was the one who understood it was transactional and continued to engage in it anyways.
Thank you! I’m glad someone else mentioned this! Stolas didn’t know that Blitzo didn’t actively want to have sex with him. The first time he meets Blitzo again after all those years, Blitzo is immediately coming onto him strongly. Of course he thinks Blitzo wants a sexual relationship with him
While I agree that blitzo is the one who assumed it was transactional, it's not exactly like he knew it definitely wasn't and one is that stolas could have taken the book back if he wanted to and if he did his business would have been over so he had to do this to keep it regardless of whether he wants it or not And two is that if he doesn't assume it's transactional ( even though that makes no sense cuz stolas framed the it like a transactional thing) what if that assumption is wrong and then he gets hurt and we all know that blitzø runs from things that could hurt him
Really appreciate this kind of introspection and interaction with the community. I'm still in the middle of it all, so you might address this, but RE: "They're in Hell, they're being hypocrites." I think both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel lean heavily into "everyone's fucked up in different ways." With Blitzo and Stolas, the idea really isn't that "transactional sex is wrong" but more that Blitzo puts up a wall because he's been used for transactions since he was a child. Stolas has trouble believing he's worth enough without offering payment, because no one in his life worries about what he wants unless he's buying it. The HB team isn't trying to make a broad statement on how relationships should be, except to say that these two characters have distinct and powerful feelings and hangups that they have to address if they're going to be together. Because everyone is fucked up in different ways, there's no one right way to be.
The scene at ozzies is very subtile. And it is further masked by a killer musical number. Fizz calls blitz a total disgrace, then verossica calls him a "selfish, heartbreaking fiend" aka calls blitz unlovable. Then asmodeus goes for stohlas calling him out for "getting it on with an imp" and ruining his family, stohlas hides his face behind the menu, blitz sees that moments after being called unlovable and sees the one person, who was excited to be around him being ashamed being seen with him.
It's pretty clear that's how he interpreted it too due to his facial expressions and body language after Stolas buries his head in his menu. Blitz was genuinely hurt by the gesture.
Especially because he was there to watch Moxxie and Milly and see what love meant. They continuously supported each other and were shamelessly themselves. Blitzø stood up for Moxxie, I think that proves he really does value him. Then Stolas didn't stand up for Blitzø, which proved to him that the relationship was emotionless and any love that was shown was just for entertainment or kink or something
I'm glad someone brought this up. Cause like this came off super clear end of season 2 when Blitz0 is still trying to not be 'thrown away' when Stolas gives him an Asmodeon crystal.
I mean didn't HE bring stolas to this random party and give him some hope for a date just because he wanted to stalk his employees? Isn't stolas more justified in having less self esteem when the man he likes is just using him and not even paying an iota of attention to him despite asking him out? He does have low self esteem but that doesn't give him the right to treat anyone else like shit.
I think it’s important to notice that in the full moon ep. Everyone who’s a friend of blitz thought that stolas was getting bored of him because they’re the bottom of the food chain in hell. And blitz was panicking because he thought that was true. Only Fiz was the one who thought he was genuine and that’s only because he was in loving relationship with a higher being so he understood that nobles can care about them(but even then that took years of trust)
Fizz interacting with Oliver is one of favourites because it links back to when he lost his hearing after the explosion. AND showing Fizz becoming a role model/inspiring to someone just like how Mammon was for him at that age.
There is an in world explaination to Blitzo's misspellings only over text. Back when there was the Helluva Boss instagram accounts, it was confirmed that his fingers are too big for the buttons and he constantly misspelt on his account.
Somebody tried to tell me once that he was illiterate because his father never taught him how to read and write. And I was like… no… it’s text speech. He writes perfectly fine on his calendar. 😂
Okay, I loved how you called one team "team they both need therapy" because that would help. Couples Therapy where someone just said "and now how did that make you feel." and they talk would help so much.
As someone with family members that has been SA'd I'm very grateful that you have spoken up about it My mother and multiple of her siblings are the result of SA and so I a lot of the time take a stronger stance then most because of it so hearing you speak up about it has made me like you and your content even more You already make me forget about all of constant issues that keep popping up in my life and so I'm extremely grateful and proud to be your fan.
The thing about the power imbalance is that you have to look at it from Blitz' persepective aswell. Stolas CAN, if he feels like it, turn Blitz inside out and nobody could do anything about it. Since Blitz doesn't truly know that Stolas actually loves him (to him the cutetsy Stolas moments are just long term sex RP), so in his mind if he loses Stolas' attention, he could either just lose his job or full on be murdered on the spot if Stolas wanted to preserve his image atleast a little. Literally its just like royalty in the medieval ages but the nobles can literally bend the world to their will.
@@cablefeed3738 I never said anything about not dating. From Blitz's persepective, again it might aswell be longterm RP, the power imbalance exists. It doesn't matter if Stolas uses it or not. And unlike with spoderman, this isn't a romantic relationship, this is a transactual relationship in which the dominant party (Stolas) can just decided if Blitz gets to keep his livelyhood and, again, he is definetly powerfull enough to just kill Blitz on the spot if he so wished too. The reason I added the 'From Blitz's persepective" part was so this type of argument can't be used since it just doesn't fit the reasoning for why Blitz somewhat rightfuly believes an imbalance exists (Even thought Stolas, just like Peter P., would never do such a thing in reality)
Understandable doesn't mean justifiable. He assumed what Stolas would actually do and what Stolas' personality would be outside of this "long-term roleplay" simply because of his position in power (and his belief that no one could really love or care about him like that, due to his own self-loathing), rather than as his own- like... Idk, being. Soul. Person. He doesn't look outside of him being royalty. And while people would try to say the same about Stolas towards Blitzø as an imp, he has TRIED to get to know him as his own being, the impish play thing happened early season 1, BEFORE Stolas seems to start actively looking for a deeper relationship AND starts to realize the unhealthy aspects of their relationship. Now, that's not to excuse his obviousness and, to quote Danny, "Main character syndrome" he seems to exude around his butler imps, and perhaps other imps in general. Which, hopefully he recognizes that later on. Some people are just sick of others defending Blitzø, explaining, and trying to _justify_ his actions. Not saying there aren't Stolas fans who do that too for Stolas, it's just been OVERWHELMINGLY Blitzø defense I've seen (and Stolas slander, which has had points, I just don't see much Stolas defense without there being comments that push back on even the slightest defense he DOES have [FROM WHAT I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN, I COULD BE OBJECTIVELY WRONG]), when Blitzø is- arguably- more in the wrong. But his reasoning and his trauma makes it FAR easier to forgive IF he puts the effort into changing (which if the ending and the trailer is of any indication, he DOES want to change, and it's why I'm 99% not mad at him, and am even rooting for him, I just think that this fight was a good thing for Blitzø's unhealthy mindset).
That's the point ! How does Danny not get that ? The Impa are literally on the bottom of the social hierarchy of hell ! It's constantly pointed out. Blitz's business is something unique amongst his species. Stolas constantly is condescending and classist to Imps even if he doesn't mean it. Though that doesn't change the fact that he is. But try telling that to Stolas' number one fanboy
@@cablefeed3738...Homeboy, Spiderman shouldn't date Mary Jane for a ton of reasons but at least they're both human more or less. The guy is a superhero with ridiculous strength, speed, and stamina who fights supervillains who could easily kill him or his loved ones if they learn his identity. Which again the whole "having to reveal his identity to the masses" thing was a dumbest thing ever (who's was bright idea what's that ?). Stolas is a prince of hell. He has money, he has status, he has power... He demonstrated he could turn an Imp to stone when not bound by blessed rope. Even if he doesn't mean it, he is very condescending to the imps who's names aren't Blitz. And even with Blitz, he is condescending and classist. Plus, from the start when he was watching Blitz fight off that cannibal woman, he knew his life was on the line, but still made a deal where's the Blitz for the book for sex. He knew it and everyone else knew it. Just because he caught feelings, doesn't mean that doesn't make what he did any better. The real irritating factors that everyone in the fandom wants to babies Stolas like he is just some defenceless walking baby... He is not dammit The bilateral thinking in the fandom is enough to make me want to vomit
Moxxie references a mob family in the first episode so I’d believe they had his backstory planned out. If not it’s possible they built his backstory based on him not wanting to kill a mother.
From what brandon Rogers said on a podcast (the lightweights podcast) the writers know how they want the story to end and where they want the characters to end up
I think the best example of Viv's shows being wishy-washy with their standing in morals is in Hazbin Hotel. It has an episode dedicated to how bad victims of SA trapped in their situation have it with Angel Dust...and then they did bigger SA joke sir Pentious. And it is fair to say that Helluva Boss has this issue too. Which is why it is hard to judge at times what is to be taken into consideration as a build-up to things like Stolas and Blitz breaking up. Like whole social class difference thing. It is there, but I feel like the writing of the show itself didn't took it that much into consideration in Stoliz relationship's issues. Just like it down-played Blitz not coming to see Stolas for months. It kinda is like with Blitz twin sister. We are told in campers ep that Blitz was trying to reach out to her at rehab man-many times...but outside this episode you would have issues to point evidence that Blitz cared this much about his sister. With maybe exception of one poster on the wall and old photo in his phone that he could as well have fully just 'cos his mother is there too.
As a victim of SA, all I can really say to you is an emphatic *Thank You*. Thank you for sticking to your guns and making consent very clear to (almost) everyone. I don’t know your main demographic, but regardless, it’s so encouraging to see someone with the reach and platform you have take a steadfast stance on something so important. You may not change every mind, but even just one is enough.
21:31 this sounds like the similar dilemma with Hazbin Hotel where people talk about how this show does comedic and serious sexual harassment moments and it makes only the villain characters be the bad people for doing the sexual harassment while the protagonists doing it is comedic
@@aitanacruz9882 yeah I didn’t like how they have Pentious being dragged against his will into a sex room but in that same episode we have Angel confronting his abuser
@@aitanacruz9882Also the moment Pentious kissed Cherry without her consent... She even rejected a drink from him, I'm sure if he had asked she would have said no
Hey Danny, love your content but I really appreciate you taking the time to take a firm stance to go over the seriousness of sexual assault. I'm a therapist who works basically exclusively with sexual offenders, and education on what constitutes consent/assault/etc. is a huge part of my job. That you vocalized it so firmly with your platform is genuinely amazing to see.
Also I think in Truthseekers it's worth noting that while yes, Blitz was literally a clown, I think this shows he still views himself as a clown. As the butt of jokes. As something to be mocked and laughed at, and not even because he's funny (because he was a comparatively bad clown) but because he's a failure. It doesn't matter that Blitz isn't stupid, he /thinks/ he's stupid.
I can’t imagine how hard it must be to deal with the monsters of the world. My deepest thanks to therapists like you, putting your existence in danger to try to talk to a demon.
@@cherribomb5422 While I appreciate the appreciation, the vast majority of my clients are not, in fact, monstrous. All I do is educate and help develop skills on things like empathy, problem-solving, communication, and finding ways to cope with difficult circumstances and emotions. It's amazing what simple things could keep most of them from having ever offended, if someone had bothered to do so early on.
@@cherribomb5422 Kinda fucked how much you dehumanize them. You realize people who sexual assault are still people, right? Not an excuse for their awful actions, but people can change, that's the whole point of therapy. The commenter literally said he teaches them about what consent is, implying that a lot of them aren't that knowledgeable on it. You talk about them as if they are inhuman vermin that need to be repelled like rats.
this video is genuinely so good, i love how unashamed and open you are about the writers,loopholes and the blitz and stolas sexual assault scene. not to deep it but as someone who has been in a similar situation as stolas in that scene it was refreshing so hear you unapologetically say its wrong rather than just dismiss it due to it being more complicated than the “usual” shown sexual assault shown in media. (sorry if this is just waffle and doesn’t make sense, bottom line: good video!!) ❤ also off topic i think you should play YTTD (Your Turn To Die) I’m not gonna go into detail about it but personally i love the writing behind it and everything is quite realistic which i think you’ll appreciate.
I loved this nuanced discussion about this topic, but just wanted to throw out a reminder on the Blitz's self loathing or feeling unworthy of love topic there isn't just some president for it there is A LOT some of the most damning evidence being that in the end of the Ozzie's episode you see all the photos in his house where he has scratched his own face out as if to say everyone would be better off without him, and that episodes ends with him looking at a picture of his happy family of himself, his sister, and his mother who his own actions literally killed. I cannot even begin to imagine how much his botched confession to Fizz leading to the horrible maiming of one of his friends (possibly the only one at this point?) and the ruining of the only happy parts of his family has haunted him. Also yeah the first night is very much SA regardless of the fact that Stolas made a joke about Blitz being there for that and being into it after the bite he said no and that means no. I also really hate that scene comes after Stolas' wife admitting that "Stolas just lies there and that she does all the work" I really don't like the implications that has especially when we see young Stolas cry at the idea of being forced to have a wife and how enamored he was with a young Blitz. This comment is extremely long and all to say there are a lot of little things that get glossed over in watching the episodes and honestly I just want them both to end up in much healthier relationship.
1:37:04 so glad my comment about the moxxie bit in truth-seekers got seen before the end of the stream! It’s such a small bit, especially since typically the only part of the hallucination brought up is the part with stolas at the very end, but I’m super glad you were able to see it! I definitely agree, it’s small but it says a lot about blitz, especially his frustration with his “why are you talking like that” line and the way he’s squinting while moxxie mocks him and tells him that everybody talks like that. It always stuck out to me, and I’m pretty sure that’s where most people got the idea that he was less educated/ somewhat illiterate. He grew up in the circus and then basically was out on the streets until he was able to create IMP, so he never really learned to talk in the flowery way that the royals and even a majority of the “lower-class” imps and demons speak. It adds onto that feeling of being lesser and blitz’s separation from everyone in his life. I’m pretty sure that there’s even a running bit that he makes moxxie do all his paperwork that can tie in here! Super engaging stream, it was really interesting and rewarding to get to be part of it!
I never gave that bit of the episode a second thought, but I really enjoyed having it pointed out, thank you for bringing our attention to it! Its so interesting to dig into Blitzø's character, theres a lot that isnt stated outright, you have to pay attention and look into the details. Thats something I really love about this show.
Reading this comment also puts another moment into perspective, that being in the Spring Broken episode when Moxxie suggests being the one to talk to Verosika because he doesn't care about "pop genre" and Blitz's reaction to Moxxie talking cumulating into "Moxxie, shut the fuck up." I used to just think it was Blitz being annoyed at the situation in general (which he certainly is), and the only overarching significance is being an early sign of Moxxie being pretentiously up his own ass that gets further explored in Unhappy Campers. But it does add a lot in context of the ongoing character struggle with Stolas and Blitz's hallucination with Moxxie.
That makes sense specially for Moxxie as well, where Mox is a theatre-goer and a lil more of a "nerd" for lack of a better term. So of course he's using more ..."academic" terms. But probably with zero thought into how Blitz potentially interprets that use? Interesting point!
For the literacy part: There is also the bit of the billboard being speech-to-text, rather than him actually writing it, despite that being not that long of a sentence. (And him apparently not double checking that) He most likely does have difficulty reading and writing properly.
I think I care less about the killing of humans in this show since I know they get an immortal life in heaven or hell. But the deaths of people like Moxies mom hurts since as far as we know imp souls simply die
Just got out of a job interview, and was like "ugh tired, let me find a rant/essay", opened TH-cam and this was the first result that appeared. Amazing experience, 10/10 would like for this to happen again
Say it with me everybody Unconscious 👏 people 👏 don't 👏 want 👏 tea Besides the british person doxxing, i think the situation being complicated is really nuanced. I think it's absolutely SA, even if unintentional. The reason I say unintentional is that Blitzø doesn't know that Stolas can even be harmed at that point, and so is completely unaware that he's pressuring Stolas with the fact that he kills people. He then takes Stolas' reaction as flirty, and sees that as an opportunity to distract him while he steals the book. You can actually see the moment that he flips the switch from 'steal it and run away' to 'distract him with flirting and steal the book'. With SA, the conversation is always sensitive and nuanced, and even though it was completely unintentional, Blitzø still did it. This may be because he didn't think that Stolas could get hurt, and wasn't nervous but in fact flirting the whole time. It's easy to see that he could mistake nervousness for flirting because of the divide between viewers thinking that he was or wasn't flirting, with that and Stolas' implications beforehand about Blitzø being there with ulterior motives, it's easier to understand why he did what he did. After he stole the book and Stolas went on his speech about having a crush on Blitzø for a while (or something idk how to phrase it) from Blitzø's perspective, he is and was always into it, and feeling bad for Stolas, decided to stay and do the nasty with him out of pity. Although pity s*x and SA are on COMPLETELY different levels of sh*tty, I think people are judging Blitzø too harshly for the SA, considering he probably didn't know it even was SA. (I can't justify Blitzø's disregard of Stolas' uncomfortable, very negative body language. That was sh*tty of him, I don't love Blitzø enough to try and justify that)
One important thing to note with season 1 episode 6 truth seekers, you see Blitz being put on a chain that Stolas is pulling, and since it's happening when he is drugged on the truth serum it's safe to assume that Blitz thinks of himself as a sort of prisoner, and the fact that it's a fancy collar made out of gold that Stolas is pulling on like how a owner would pull their dog one could argue that Blitz thinks Stolas see him as a sort pet, plus it's brought up several times in hallucination the idea that Blitz is scared to love people which could explain why he is shown to be callous around Stolas.
Exactly. Until being given that Crystal, Blitz how to make sure to satisfy the owlman or his killing business would go under. And even if Blitz "got another job" and probably wouldn't be anywhere near as lucrative send Imps are very low on the totem pole. It's a fact he keeps ignoring that just Burns me
Stolas also refers to Blitz as his "Impish plaything" at one point which is a pretty objectifying thing to call someone, and repeatedly ignores Blitz openly expressing his discomfort towards being referred to as "Blitzy" which he could also possibly see as being treated like a pet, as well as his boundaries not being taken seriously.
@@sardonicus1739 yeah exactly no matter stolas' intentions he still does things that put blitz down and further cements the difference between their classes. Blitz keeps stolas at a distance and is callous or mean to him on purpose while stolas tries to act all lovey or flirtatious and tries to keep him close but in doing so leads blitz to pull away more because to blitz he is making fun of him for being a lower class. Neither of them know how to love, so neither are wrong, yet at the same time they both are.
Blitz was sold, branded, and made to perform like an animal, the fact that he was a "lesser species" was something that it seems the people around him wouldn't let him forget so every nickname that seems like it would be nothing obviously reminded him of the fact that he is just a lower life form.
@@sardonicus1739 I have problem with that point, seeing that everyone apparently objectifies everyone and calls them names all the time. It's another problem with show's approach to everything really. Because yes, Stolas calls Blitzo many names, but so does Blitzo. And it's really hard to figure out which comment would or wouldn't hurt a character unless you know everything about that character.
I'm so glad you mentioned Sarcastic Chorus because he's very good at analyzing ships and the nuances of every ship and their fandom. He made a 3 hour video in the Total Drama shipping drama and I loved it
I love all his videos, but at the same time, I wish he didn't make that 1 because it's just being used as a hammer to smack anyone who doesn't like blitz. Most of the people who uses this video as proof Don't even understand what they're talking about.
I agree with sarcastic chorus for the most part but I feel like he comes down a bit too hard on Stolas (not saying Stolas isn't in the wrong too btw, I just disagree that one is more in the wrong than the other. I feel they are both a bit wrong and a bit right/valid given context )
Blitzø IS dyslexic. 1. He misspells his handwritten add in Spring Broken (6.45) [The R in "spring" is added later] 2. He misspells his text messages to Millie in Seeing Stars (19.03) 3. He misspells the note in Murder Family (2.07) 4. He uses speech-to-text in a billboard and it is still misspelled in Murder Family (5.06) 5. He misspells his text to Stolas even when he is really worried in Western Energy (17.26) 6. He is not sure what a grimoire is in Murder Family (8.14) 7. He asks Stolas not to use "fancy-ass rich people talk" in Murder Family (8.49) [Here I think he doesn't understand the following words: permitting, access?, realm, exchange, enticing] 8. His hallucination of rude and mean Moxxie has a bad sound quality and uses more complex language and long proverbs in Truth Seekers (9.25) 9. Moxxie's speech tunes out, as if he cannot follow it, in Spring Broken (3.34) 10. Again, Moxxie's speech tunes out, as if he cannot follow it, in Truth Seekers (9.49) Yes, sometimes he spells stuff correctly, like in his notes about his pony OCs in Exes and Oohs (0.08), but these are things he is passionate about AND he has all the time in the world, so he can be interested and careful about his spelling. His dyslexia might be because he is not well-educated or because of ADHD or brain injury or anything else, but that man is dyslexic. (Yes, I have dyslexia. Yes, I used AI to check my own spelling and pacing in this comment, because I'm passionate about this show. Yes, this took me almost an hour to reseach and write.)
You are completely right about the writers being wishy-washy about what the show takes seriously and what is supposed to be a funny joke. That’s why when I see REALLY in-depth debates about Stolitz I can’t help but mourn the loss of the comedy the show once had. Still, the new direction they’re taking it is interesting in a different way, and I do still want to see more! I panicked a bit when chat almost didn’t pass the vibe check when you brought up consent though 😅 I’m glad the general consensus came around to “if it’s not an overt yes it’s a NO”. I get the scene treats the subject matter pretty lightly so it’s easy to be like “no that wasn’t sexual assault/harassment”, but like, it absolutely is, and it plays HEAVILY into the way the show switches between portraying abhorrent behavior as “bad” or “funny”. But yeah, I’m glad you talked about it and stood your ground on it, not for the purpose of making Blitz an objective villain but because you wanted to make sure people KNEW that no means no (and also to highlight the power dynamic is very nuanced).
35:00 imma be honest before he’s pointed it out I never noticed the lisp. His voice is so much more satisfying to hear than most other reaction TH-camrs
So true! It's also because Danny uses a lot of intonation in how he speaks. Nobody wants to listen to monotone droning. I'll say he'd be a great VA. Some people just have a natural pleasant voice you want to listen to.
I do want to point out that the comment about Fizz knowing sign language is the show being “woke and progressive” is wildly off, it was supposed to be in reference to Fizz also being deaf, or at least somewhat hearing impaired to the point where he knows sign language It was supposed to show that he has young fans who relate to him and look up to him, like he did with Mammon. And it partially helps him be brave enough to stand to Mammon, along with Ozzie and Blitz’s encouragement I found it to be a really good foil for Mammon and Fizz’s relationship. Fizz actually relates firsthand and cares about this fan, while Mammon obviously doesn’t care and doesn’t relate to Fizz; Mammon forces Fizz into jobs that he doesn’t want or like, while Fizz tells the kid he can be whatever he wants and sets his heart to; Mammon uses Fizz to further his own career and income, while Fizz uses the kid as inspiration and encouragement to finally quit his abusive job I do agree that the show doesn’t know what to take seriously but that’s not the show just being “progressive” for the sake of it
That final conversation was also pretty wild in the presentation, like in what Universe does it seem like a good idea to ask for the book back and tell him it's permanent with no context as to why until you pull out the Crystal and he's already been living in panic for a good 60 seconds or so I don't even think the crystal plan was a bad idea, but dear God the execution was abysmal and he abandons the whole thing at the very first sign of anything going differently than he planned talk about not giving someone time to work through things, just took the first words out of his mouth as the totality of his answer when clearly he didn't fully grasp how real the situation was
To talk a little about the putting stolas on a pedestal thing, I think the show's framing of the characters leans into it. Blitz as a character is very much one of comic relief. He makes a majority of the jokes throughout the show and a lot of those jokes are made through the framing of him as an asshole. He regularly makes other people the butt of a joke. The only episode we really see examining this is moxize and blitz bad trip. And yes using jokes as a deflection is very real but so often the regular delivery of blitz making jokes at the expense of other characters are indeed meant to be taken as jokes. Then you have stolas who I never personally saw as a comedic character. So many of the scenes and episodes around him are emotional ones. He is a very sad and hurt character (like everyone else) but very rarely are his scenes meant to be lighthearted and funny. Unlike other characters who have a bit of a balance between being comedic v. emotional, stolas characterization is very heavily meant to be emotionally resonant. So what ends up happening is you have this person who constantly makes other people the butt of jokes direct their attention to a character who we very often see hurt and treated badly. It makes there interactions feel like blitz is making jokes at stolas expense while stolas himself attempts to pay attention to blitz and if he is upset (the texts). It just feels like the show is constantly trying to use the same train tracks to get to different destinations and it causes so many moral contradictions
A little thing about Stolas affecting Blitz’s livelihood is that Blitz kinda needs the book to fulfill his contracts.. regardless if he has clients, it wouldn’t matter if he even can complete those contracts in the first place To add to the whole S2E1 debate, Stolas asks if Blitz is still a clown, to which Blitz answers that he isn’t, and then says his new position (albeit poorly) in order to preemptively answer Stolas’ next question which would’ve been “what do you do now?”. Listening to the tone that Blitz mentions that he kills people, it’s a more casual tone. He only sees the opening to get the book and takes advantage of that previously mentioned opportunity to do what was necessary to obtain his means of his job..although, some of his advances were excessive, I will admit that.
I don't think Blitzø meant for it to sound threatening but he did like the power it gave him when it got interpreted as threatening and liked the power of forcing himself onto Stolas' while Stolas' was saying no. I don't know if Blitzø was taking it as Stolas' roleplaying being scared or not but assuming someone is 'playing hard-to-get' isn't a good thing to do. Also, someone can't properly consent to sex under false pretenses.
I honestly think that Blitz was TRYING to make Stolas uncomfortable. Not necessarily to assault him, but to chase him away so he can just steal the book
i highly reccomend you watch "therapist reacts to Helluva Boss Full moon" (that's not the title but if you look that up, it's the first video). she dives deep into Blitz and Stolas's trauma and how they reacted durring the episode. plus, she's actually a fan of the show, and has videos on several other episodes, so she's not just a random person coming into this ep with no prior knowledge.
Oh, I saw the video in my feed but thought it was just a therapist taking a look at the episodes without fully knowing the story (like when they sometimes do “doctor react to … show injuries” or stuff like that), so i never clicked on it. Definitely going to watch it now, thanks for the information.
@@aaazzz8324 yes, highly recc her vids!! she cosplays as the characters in every video she does and they're always so good, plus her analysis's of the eps are so spot on and well articulated. her voice is also extremely calming lol.
Blitz and Stolas have differing communication styles however both are caused by trauma. Blitz reacts to triggering things by either lashing out or avoiding and on the opposite side of the trauma spectrum you have Stolas who responds to triggering things with people pleasing. Which are pretty much the exact opposite of the other and that’s why they can never seem to communicate properly
This is so accurate! As a perpetual people pleaser myself, I’ve reacted just like Stolas did with those text messages as a trauma response when I felt threatened. Overall, the whole situation is full of trauma from both sides with walls that need to be brought down to properly communicate and come to an understanding.
The people trying to point out that Stolas 'changed his mind' after getting bitten remind me why the whole 'you can't consent during a scene' thing has to be repeated so often. -Once the "action" starts, any consent that's received isn't valid, not only because of potential coercion, but also because there's tons of hormones, endorphins, and all sorts of chemicals running through that person's body at that point, it's like trying to argue that if someone says no sober, but says yes while they're drunk it's okay. Hell, the fact that his mind changes after getting bitten just nails the point home - during S&M scenes a ton of endorphins, adrenaline, and emotions start pumping through a person's body, and a good portion of that is from the pain aspect. By that point, the people involved aren't in the right state of mind to consent.
Something I noticed about their characters are the way the show affection to each other is in a way the other can’t necessarily comprehend as a way to show affection. Stolas’s love language is words of admiration. He kind of confessed his love to Blitz by telling him that he cares and wants to be in his presence, but Blitz doesn’t see that as a way to show affection bc he most likely barely got that kind of affection as a kid, and the moment he tried to show that kind of affection, he caused the fire that devastated his ride-or-die best friend and killed his mother. So, he’s kind of blocked out that as a way to show affection. On the other hand, Blitz’s way to show affection is through acts of kindness. He spent his whole afternoon trying to find things that he thought Stolas would enjoy. When Moxxie was on his anniversary date and getting called out on singing a love song in a lust club-despite knowing who he was talking to- Blitz made the conscious decision to stand up for his employee and fellow friend, knowing the hot water he was dropping himself in. Anytime someone treated Stolas to an act of kindness as a kid, it was their job to do so. Tl;dr: Stolas and Blitz both have their way of showing affection, but because of past trauma or experiences, they don’t see the others way as a way of showing care.
I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. Likewise I'm super grateful he did such a clear explanation of consent and SA so perhaps more folks can recognize it and prepare themselves I hope that you are okay
Danny was 100% correct about the assault Blitz did. That activity can trigger lovey dovey feelings that confuse your memory about. There is a reason “we’ll, they ended up liking it” is a shut down of the discussion
@@dream6562I wouldn't say worse, but I do agree that because it is not an instantaneous action, it does feel more intentional and impactful to have it ongoing. Like...if the initial action was a 10, and the power imbalance is a 2, it ends up being 2+2+2+2+2...as it goes on.
I also think there's something to br said about "fawn" being a possible response to fear, so Stolas trying to be polite about it etc. doesn't invalidate that he's clearly uncomfortable
chiming in about the lisp, I was put through speech therapy to get rid of mine, and it's really heartening to hear yours and know that someone can be successful with one!
I had to get into both Hazbin and Helluva. I usually avoid things that get popular or mainstream but it just intrigued me. Then I realized they sort of both started like three years ago and somehow just blew up and you and other TH-camrs I watch were talking about it and I just had to see it and omgosh I am so happy I did. They're both just awesome.
I’d say that Blitzø behaviour is weird even in hell. Other imps give him looks like what he says and does is inappropriate. There’s also a big difference between being a sinner and a hell born. Sinners revive, there are zero consequences for their actions in hell, but hell borns don’t seem to come back and there are laws but how well they’re enforced it likely up to the ring or crime
only 30 minutes in and this is amazing. Love how receptive you are to everyone's opinions and rebuttals, and how respectful you are when voicing your own. 10/10
As someone who LOVES Stolas, this is still missing some important details. Why did Blitz need to break into Stolas palace for the book? It's the same reason he freaks out in Full Moon. We see Blitz have multiple careers that all end up as duds, and we see how much Blitz is praised for his business because imps don't normally get those opportunites. Access to Stolas and his Grimoire are the only reason he has his livelihood. He definitely oversteps in 2:1, but if Stolas hadn't wanted sex after he ties him up, he would have just left. If blitz didn't like Stolas, he would have had psex and left like he did with Chaz. He stays all night/until the next morning, and the show makes that painfully obvious with the next day card when normally so much of the context is very subtle (like Stolas in the fridge with his imp next to it). I don't see many fans just giving Blitz a free pass. Yeah they're out there, but I think most fans, even Blitz Stan, want him to improve and not be shitty for his own sake. This show rewards a lot of rewatch for all these subtle characterizations and moments, just like real people can't be fully understood without getting to know them. It's also hard to remember and keep track of what we the audience see vs.what Blitz & Stolas have seen from each other. Someone pointed out the other day that Blitz (to our knowledge) has never even seen Stolas sing. We have so much more show left to see based on what Vivzie and Brandon have said, and I think we have to be careful not to make assumptions about these characters with really unfair assumptions on either part. Stolas is not manipulative, Blitz isn't heartless and we'll all be better off if we stop pretending they're not end game. 🤭
Blitz isn't heartless, but he is a terrible person and while I would like him to improve. I would like people to stop acting like stolas Is evil when if any one in this relationship is a bad person, it's blitz. Not because of the relationship, but outside of it, he is just straight up awful.
@@cablefeed3738 I'm not sure if the "acting like Stolas is evil" is directed at me or some of the fans who have been saying much more malicious things, but just wanted to comment and say I agree! I love Stolas, I think his intentions are pure, but his impact isn't (ala fridge scene). I want them both to improve! Blitz has a lot more runway to do that then Stolas, and he has to catch up emotionally. I would love to see Stolas grapple with the class inequality and learning to be more realistic romantically, and Blitz to reckon with his past and be less cruel to people around him like he did with Moxxie in Truth Seekers.
I feel that a lot of people dislike Blitz mainly because he's an asshole to everyone. He oversteps boundaries constantly, tries to fuck everyone, and lives for attention. And here is the problem, we don't know why he stayed with Stolas. And I believe he doesn't know either. I don't think he thinks about stuff like that. He craves connections and wants to have a family, but he doesn't want to put in work, because he wants it now. And I believe that he grew comfortable knowing that he has Stolas, that he's enough for Stolas as is, that once Loona accidentally made him doubt himself, he went into panic mode. A lot of people criticise Stolas for failing to communicate with Blitzo at that moment, but I feel like it was too late to communicate at that moment from the start, and it wasn't Stolas's fault. A lot of disfunctional things in this relationship happened because both sides failed to communicate, but communication failure came about not due to either of them. One of rare times when you can even blame someone is Blitzo taking Stolas on a date, and even that thing spiraled out of control beyond what could be reasonably assumed. If they weren't spotted, this would be just very boring date for both of them. But it also shows just how thoughtless Blitzo can be, as he would toy with Stolas so blatantly without even realising. He even mocked him for looking so dapper on a date. Blitzo doesn't think, he does because he wants results now. I'm not trying to defend him, that's rather a statement of his character. He's not heartless, he's emotionally stupid.
I don't think Blitzø necessarily needed to steal the book. Stolas was very fond of Blitzø even as a friend. I think there's a strong possibility that Stolas would have agreed to helping Blitzø with his business as a friend. Blitzø didn't actually believe that Stolas saw him as a real friend (and had plenty of trauma to cause him to feel that way) so he definitely felt like he needed to steal the book though. Stolas was starved for any sort of genuine connection, so he put a lot more value in his friendship with Blitzø than made any sense.
@@cablefeed3738 stolas is not evil he is very flawed but that makes him more likable imo he might not be the best dad though although he cares just bad at showing it but to be fair stolas is leagues better than his father
Thanks for the strong stance on the SA Danny! Really enjoyed watching this, I don't usually like livestreams but this is one I wish I could have been apart of. Keep up the awesome work! ❤
It's shocking how many people don't understand that just because someone flirted with you doesn't mean you have permission to force yourself on them. Yes, Blitz sexually assaulted Stolas.
I have read alot of comments and just from the chats while live, it really seems like people do not understand consent and sexual assault. It is frighteningly worrisome. This goes to show just how little people are being taught about sex ed or anything of the sort nowadays.
Danny even makes fun of that mindset with "14 no's means no, but 1 through 13 is a clear yes" line. Yes, Stolas flirted first, but he said he was just teasing, he didn't meant it, and he was visibly uncomfortable and was trying to back away multiple times. Some people are saying that Blitzo was fearing for his life, and maybe that's true. But Stolas was actively trying to leave the room.
@@BeastManGamer1 It feels like the issue is less that people don't learn about consent and SA, but more that people lack media literacy and refuse to believe that their fav characters can do anything wrong. Like "if you like Valentino from HH, that also means you support his character's actions" sorta mindset, so they try to justify their character's actions and are just deluding themselves or ignoring the flaws
It really doesn't help when the person says no means yes and gets offended when you stop. Oh don't get me wrong here, no is no 200% of the time. I'm not going to risk jail time on the off chance the person was just playing hard to get. Though there is that subset and it confuses the situation.
This is my option on this so if you want you can of course reply but I will add I'm a sa victim so this is my view i don't think bilzø saed stoales(sorry I dont know how to spell his name so i'll just call him st) but it starts off with st teasing bilz bilz is shocked as he was most likely thinking holy fuck im going to die because he just got caught breaking in to a prince's house with powers that can kill him in a instant after a bit bilz starts to flirt back which makes st also flirt with him after that they start talking when bliz flirts again with st with "well how afraid to you want to be" which makes st move his hand and and stumble his words which let me remind you this man has been stuck in a abused broken marriage as a gay man so when a man flirts with him which is his crush as well I would think he would be nervous at one point he does back up and say "is it hot in here im starting to feel very hot" which is a sign of nervousness or maybe lust as bilz pushes him back into the book shelf and doesn't even try to push him or anything just waiting for bilzs next move if he didnt want this why didnt he use his powers? Not only that but when bliz pushes him on the bed he even moves a bit for him to get on as well he even asked "well bliz what are gonna do to me?" And bliz response with "well what do you want me to do?" Waiting for a response just as he was gonna answer st notices that the book is gone which makes him off guard where bliz bites his neck which is where sts loses control and give him very excited consent while giving him intense dirty talk but lustful thoughts and such can happen while sa is taking place which can make them confuse and well let the abuse happen but sts body language can show that he wants it as I explained but st could have just killed him right there with one look not only that but in full moon you can see st gets up from the bed after saying no bliz doesn't force him but leaving the topic behind and just begging for the book thats all I think and just thought about if you want to add or disagree i dont mind.
Really appreciate this deep dive of the situation with the blitz and stolas and your takes on it. Was definitely able to get a larger view on the whole thing. I really like this type of stream as well, and I would love to see more of it.
I was watching this stream live, and the amount of people who genuinely believed that flirting with someone was an okay to get sexual regardless of any "no"'s was absolutely insane.
34:15 actually they did!! in an interview brandon rogers who voices blitzø and is a writer on the show said that before they made the show EVERYTHING had been planned out including moxxies backstory and the direction they wanna go to,, theyve got an exact ending and all the big things already planned out and now its mostly "and how do we properly meet those milestones" we can see this when moxxie wakes up from blitzø watching him "i WAS dreaming my family was being murdered by the mafia, but now id like to go back to that" already hinting at his mafia dad killing his mom
true!! its actually v impressive how they had an ending in mind before starting for every character and the way they are still sticking with it no matter what genre the show tries to be >>>
Yeah Danny's right about the characters being in hell and how us seeing everything under "earth values" doesn't make much sense if we're trying to put everything on a scale to figure out who's the worse. And he's right about the change of direction in writing after s2 and the show kinda figuring itself out, I mean Stolas was thought to be an antagonist for the most part of s1 and then they started to change it once the fandom started to like him and ship Stolitz. Also I'm glad he watched the Sarcastic Chorus video, truly an amazing character analisys on their part.
OMG I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!! It’s not just that I like helluva boss and analysis videos (bc I’m a nerd) but also they make me productive. I know these can be really hard for creators and editors to push out so thank you so much for this and all of your content!!!!
1:17:18 at this part of the debate about the first encounter with Blitz and Stolas about who has the power is complicated but the thing would be that Stolas HAS THE POWER in the situation BUT HE DOESN’T USE IT, so because of that Blitz has the power and control in the situation. Stolas could clearly call the guards again or use his powers, he’s in his territory so it’s an advantage for him, unlike Blitz who’s in stranger territory, but I think because of Blitz being his first ever friend and the bad experience he just had with humiliation, he’s scared he’ll be rude to Blitz accidentally by trying to protect himself and get rejected of it. So, in order to avoid rejection, try’s to be polite and ignore his uncomfortableness about certain actions Blitz does
Exactly, Blitz doesn't even manage to sneak in, he's caught and carried by bodyguards, and only on Stolas's orders are they let alone in the room. Blitz also mentions killing as his current job to answer his question of "are you still a clown?" like he is NOT trying to scare Stolas until he reads Stolas's teasing as flirtation.
@@ryuko4478 EXACTLY! How would he try to scare an powerful demon who is fifty times stronger than him, even after he got caught in his attempt to steal?
@@K1rx_________9 As we know Imps can kill Demon Royalty if they have the right weaponry (but they never have access to them unless they were hired by another royalty), so Blitz *can* threaten Stolas, he just wasn't in that context because he was obviously flirting. NOW I think the way Blitz continued after that by pushing Stolas's boundaries even as he tried to back away is bad. I just don't think Blitz was threatening him.
Just because he doesn't use his power doesn't mean he doesn't have it in the situation come on now. 😂 ESPECIALLY to blitz who hasn't seen him in x amount of years and knows fuck all about him, Stolas is VERY MUCH still a threat to him. Stolas giving himself up to Blitz certainly lessons it but the threat is still VERY much there. Even when he leaves his domain via his possession of the grimoire (this ones on blitz tho).
@@PK-cg5ej in Blitz perspective it would be a threat, because he wouldn’t know about Stolas not wanting to use his power due to his fear of rejection, but other than that, in the situation itself, it’s Blitz who has more control, all because Stolas doesn’t want to use his power (it wouldn’t be the same if he decided to use it). Although it is a favor to Stolas the fear he can cause to Blitz because of his powerful self. I’m not saying Stolas is not a threat to Blitz because HE IS but I’m saying that Blitz has more control on the situation, especially because he sees later that Stolas isn’t planning to use his power against him. That’s probably why he also started teasing Stolas, he wouldn’t have done that if he was still a BIG threat to him, he saw the opportunity when Stolas backed off in uncomfortableness
37:25 Stolas is a rank below the sins. Even if Blitz didn't screw him the first time, he could've found Blitz in a matter of days AT MOST. I mean- 1) Stolas spied on Blitz from his bath in episode one, planning to call Blitz while he was fighting for his life to set his terms and conditions so he would agree to anything. 2) He summoned himself to the human world with dead bodies, in a show of rage, in the matter of HOURS that Blitz and Mox were kidnapped. 3) As soon as he heard Octavia was missing, he ripped a portal into the human world without his book and for some reason couldn't immediately find her, but I bet in hell it would be a lot easier to find out where Blitz lives and his business (before the deal, it was shown that Blitz had billboards advertising I.M.P in episode 1)
My only rebuttal to that would be assuming that Blitzo doesn't know what Stolas is capable of, especially without the book. He was surprised to see Stolas summon himself, just like everyone else.
@@nihili4196 Idk, on one hand Blitz would def overlook what Stolas could do, on the other Goetia's have world's of power that Blitz was scared of as a child, but being that he is now a jaded 30 something year old, he prob was better at hiding it, masking it with confidence
I love episode 6 because it perfectly shows the power imbalance. Even if there isnt one in real life blitz placeing Stolas on this golden throne while he's chained to a leash shows that blitz BELIEVES there is. The worst part is that while its completely understandable that stolas was hurt and couldnt handle anymore so he shut down, he proved to that part of Blitz's brain that blitz IS disposable. That stolas can and will throw him away when he see's fit and blitz wont have a say in the matter. It could even lead to Blitz believing that he HAS to give Stolas exactly what he wants, how he wants it, when he wants it or else he could just kick him to the curb again. Now that he knows sex isn't enough anymore, even if they do get in a relationship he'll be terrified of losing him at the slightest disagreement.
25:51 funny they say that, what happened to Moxxie's mom is the reason Moxxie was so against k**ling the mother in the first place. He even says "Maybe if it was a shi**y dad, or mob family, (mobster voice) that's undah-standable"
On the note of Blitz's literacy topic, most of the main helluva boss characters have Instagram accounts that haven't been updated in years. All of blitz's posts are nigh incomprehensible messes as far as spelling goes.
3:50 currently 4 minutes into the video, not sure if I'll finish it, but I gotta say I wholeheartedly agree, I've felt very honored being a part of this debate on your channel. I don't think I saw any comments that said that only one was in the right, and I was still sure the poll was gonna be heavily favoring one character, so I was super happy to see that most people picked 'situation is too complicated'! I'm also glad the characters were both pretty well written, I think vivziepop is another one of those creators that started with a comedy show but fell in love with the characters and decided to add some ✨️spice✨️. I always love that, it's one of the reasons why I loved brooklyn 99 so much. Love that you're discussing this!
Dear Danny Motta(please dont skip over this), Danny as someone who went till age 12 with a lisp until years of being forced to go to speech therapy and being mocked of it until i look in a mirror and practice my speaking i still have a small lisp i tend to be mocked for i love that you have a lisp and your voice gives me such smooth brain, otakus anonymous is my favorite thing ever because i get to hear you, i also love your videos so much and am excited for you to watch owl house. I'm genuinely so glad to be able to see you have other people acknowledge what a positive influence you are. I hope you continue to make this content and i am so glad that you can enjoy yourself. I have really bad anxiety and when i have anxiety attacks and panic attacks i watch your video to calm down. You have literally saved my life on multiple occasions, I dont think you know what a positive influence you've had. i have gone through some tough times mentally and i don't know if i would still be here today if it wasnt for you. I dont know/think that you will even see this but if i have a chance to tell you how great you are i am taking it. Thank you for being here and being such a supportive and i'm such a big fan. I wanted to know if there was any way other than comments and dm's to reach you because id love to ackowledge you and stuff and make some comments to you that disclose some more touchy thinghs in my life such as like sa past stuff and i'd like to tell you how much how you handle it makes me happy in more depth but dont wanna talk about that stuff in the comments? Anyways ive talked for too long and wanted you to know you make an impact and wanted to ask about that email thing. Have a great day and i hope you know i appreciate you and your content
Hey sorry but as someone who has also struggled with a lisp my whole life and spent all of elementary, middle, and high school in speech therapy it makes me happy to see someone else who can relate to it. I’m glad you find him comforting as do I and I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with bullying due to your lisp I used to experience that a lot but I found that with time it slows down and I hope it does for you. I hope you’re doing well.
A huge part of the Solitz dynamic as well is that Stolas's life affords him time for introspection which allows him to come across as more thoughtful. Its a privilege of the rich and powerful. Blitzø is always in survival mode, he has done very little to process any of his trauma. Granted i wouldn't doubt Blitzø picked a high octane lifestyle to keep himself occupied and unable to process
I’m glad that you made this video. As someone who adores both Blitz and Stolas, but also really enjoys your content and opinions, I had been finding it quite distressing for one of my favourite characters to be so consistently insulted. Even though I don’t necessarily agree with all of your points, I really appreciate the nuanced discussion, and think I understand your perspective better now. I also greatly appreciated your discussion on SA, and firm stance that anyone can be SAed, I agree 100%.
1:04:13 Would absolutely love seeing you react to Dungeon Meshi, it's my favourite things right now - if you find it hype halfway through just know it gets better 👏👏
It’s funny how you talked about the morals of Helluva Boss that no one knows about. It also feels like the characters also don’t know if or how to keep a moral code. All they know is when shit gets real then it’s real. I think that’s why Stoliz’s trauma is more in the limelight as fucked because the characters are really feeling a lot of emotions and stress, whereas in other situations it’s kind of “whelp we’re in hell what were we expecting?”
Waking up to this in the morning is wild. 100% agreeing with Danny, the morals are so not clear in the show. I felt the absolutely same about the whole Stolitz thing before watching analysis about it to get a better understanding of Blitzø.
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Who's in the wrong? Their goddamn fathers
The correct answer😭🤌
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The true villains of the show.
Lmao, your not wrong though
REAL LMAO
A helluva boss deep dive was not on my Danny Motta bingo card
Neither was the Cash Cab short honestly
SAMMEEE
True @@Hyperfixations_here
You have a Danny Motta bingo card?
But I bet him hating on Alex brightman definitely was 😂😂
Danny, thank you for having a strong and consensual take on sexual assault.
Huh
@@Stick_and_stone Why huh
There is truth to the fact that blitzø “started” the relationship, but we have to remember that Stolas was talking about the agreement terms while BLITZØ WAS BEING SHOT AT. It’s not even that Stolas didn’t know - he was watching him in the magic bubble. He was asking a person under duress to agree to transactional sex.
Not to mention, if Stolas stops the relationship, he’s fine. If Blitzø does it, he’s in *poverty.* He’s jobless. And from what we see of his apartment, he and loona aren’t in a great place monetarily, and they don’t have much to lose, but if they lose it, they’ve lost EVERYTHING.
I wish the poverty thing got brought up too. While the transactional relationship was a thing, it wasn't just Blitz's job on the line, but Millie, Moxie and Loona's too. Yeah, Stolas would have been lonely and miserable in a loveless marriage, but he was still going to be MUCH better off than IMP. Blitz saw it as selling his body to keep his business (though he's developed feelings for him later that he *refuses* to address because of his self-loathing) and Stolas fell in love with his "little impish plaything." Thank goodness Stolas cared though to give Blitz the crystal so IMP can keep running, at least. That's definitely a point in Stolas' favour.
Yeah, unfortunately consent is a big issue in both sides of this relationship and it’s the least fun part of all this
but its not like Stolas is responsible for their lives though. let's be honest, being in poverty isn't Stolas issue, and its not like Blitz wasn't before in poverty and found a way to get money, so why can't he just earn money without Stolas book. plus he did stole the book but Stolas who was so lonely look the other way and allow him to use it anyway.
@@mayarimarjorie5624 I wonder sometimes if they are even making enough bank lol. Don't m&m complain all the time that they are just getting by or smth? I might be misremembering things tho
But Blitz stole it. Stolas has no obligation to let him keep the STOLEN powerful demon book that could and DID ruin lives lol Barb got her hands on the crystal so? Blitz could have as well bc of his connections with succubi. He just went the easy way of using Stolas bc he knew him from his past. And what did he even expect? That a royalty wont follow up on this? Insane thinking which i could never understand.
Danny casually dropping a movie length video.
It started as a live lol
You missed the live lmao
Not upset about it
Yes but for the best reason
@@sarahbelk1936omg it did?!? Damnit I was literally rewatching his old videos all day
YEAH HE FINALLY REALIZED THE COMPLEXITY OF THE SITUATION‼️
He did on stream 3 hours ago lol
He explained that he already understood the situation, just not what life takes seriously in what to take as a joke. Also, who can care about the complexity in a situation when you have the difference between a horrible person and a not horrible person.
@@cablefeed3738 because both of them are horrible first off and second one of those characters writing literally did a 180 halfway through the show and had way more devolpment so we'd clearly take that side as aposed to the other side where we forget that they don't have as much insight as we do
@celestiag.thomas-johnson7067 In what ways is stolas, actually a bad person. Because i'm sorry if I had to hang out with anyone from hell, it would be Charlie, Vaggi, Moxie, or Stolas. Everyone else just kind of sucks. I would have added millie to, but she seems to like killing people.
@@cablefeed3738 him and blitzo are literally the same amount of bad being racist and using people for sex isn't a good thing if you think it is I would invest in new morals he had a clear power dynamic over someone who's whole lively hood along with moxie millie and loona's. Blitzø was literally bought for him as a child I highly doubt that means you have a healthy childhood If you can get sold for a nickle and a condom
I was in no way expecting a serious discussion about the complexity of power imbalances in sexual assault in a video about who’s a worse asshole in a transactional relationship over a portal book in a show about horny murder demons but i am in no way disappointed. Excellently spoken Danny, bravo.
The consent part means so much to me thank you Danny for taking a strong stance on it in front of chat
A nearly 2 hour long vod completely dedicated to Stolitz? Alright. 🍿
It was a live
@@Sandwhich_where.- a vod is a video that was a stream
I got my popcorn lets go
Stolas*
@@delilahstartin1960 They said stolitz because thats the ship name between stolas and blitzo
I think to Stolas, "My little Imp" is a pet name.
It hasnt occured to him how that comes across to Blitzo.
That doesnt make it right, it's just more evidence to how out of touch Stolas is because he grew up rich and with power.
Edit: guys im not forgetting about blitzos actions lol. My comment is focused on analyzing stolas and why he acts the way he does.
Agreed. They really should have talked about shit before making such a proposition. Especially if Stolas had feelings for him for as long as he had.
I think Stolas genuinely means he doesn’t look down on blitz and see him as less than him. But he isn’t trying to understand why Blitz feels that way, the things he says like that pet name
Yes! Thank you!
Exactly! I love Stolas, but I will always agree that he hardly ever takes into account other people's feelings. He's self-centered. Not ill intentioned, but he's just not even trying to actually take into account the other person, whether that's Octavia or Blitzø. He doesn't think about how Octavia feels when he takes her to Looloo land, and he doesn't take into account Blitzø's stance in the social hierarchy nor his self worth issues and how Stolas's actions are interpreted by Blitzø. Again, I love Stolas, but this is the first one of his flaws I will point out.
the problem is that blitz does the same thing , calling him bird ,rich bird dude and continuously undermines him... which is in character but stolas never says anything out of love for blitz(it's a sex thing fine til some level but some other time someone should take time for romance and genuine cuddle of one's feeling blitz is completely a stranger to) while blitz instead of ever trying to understand that they have a serious relationship he continues to act like a douche even when stolas spelt it out for him. not his fault but also yes his fault.
*Absolutely terrifying* the amount of people who see a fear response and "No, I don't want this" as "Yes."
Chilling.
Isn't it? Especially any thought of "Well, they ended up enjoying it." Nerves are nerves, they don't care if the stimulation is wanted or not. That exact thing is one of the many, MANY reasons SA messes you up so badly
Stolas in a bath, in luxury, Blitz running away injured fighting for his life while he had his book. I think it sets the tone of the relationship rather perfectly. Blitz wants to be seen as more as an imp- having his own business is something not many imps have i suppose, so him loosing this would be fatal for his self esteem and lifelyhood. just look at how Striker acts towards Stolas, it paints a good picture how looked down on imps are and how much hate it creates against the higher class- rightfully so in my eyes. stolas could not only take away the book but kill Blitz if he wanted to and no one would care. I agree that Blitz is terrible in relationships and shouldnt be in one until he sorted his issues out but he is definitely not the one in control in this transaction.
yeah, i mean, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure imps are currently the only demon race we know of in the show to have a dedicated slur. that combined with Stryker's comment about it being rare to see an imp running their own business indicates that there is definitelysome kind of societal bias against imps
@@Ari_C yes, I believe you're right thanks for adding that to my comment!
Danny doesn’t receive internet abuse one time and he goes on a free live stream
Ikr ballsy move bro this could have been so bad
@@user-wb9ft8hc5edo people hate him or something? I’m kinda new to his channel.
@@DiaBolicalDeathly People don't hate him, but some felt he wasn't being fair to Blitzø/that he was being too hard on Blitzø. His commentary on Blitzø's behaviour and responses when it comes to Stolas have been critical of Blitzø in general been to the tune of "it's so obvious that Stolas wants genuine connection with Blitzø and at this point he's gotta be willfully ignorant not to see it".
I haven't watched this particular video yet so I'm not sure how much has changed but from the title it seems he's taken a closer look at what fuels Blitzø's actions/reactions
@@DiaBolicalDeathly people don't hate him, it's just that when he has an opinion about a piece of media, especially on a divisive topic, people's response to it tends to be disproportionate and agressive, so he was surprised that people were willing to have a civil discussion about it this time
@@DiaBolicalDeathly no he’s just a silly goofy guy and as a silly goofy guy myself I can say we’re often the target of the joke. Only take that joke and make it the mercy or lack thereof of the internet. Danny has a pretty loyal fanbase but some chunk of it are sadists for sure
“HB is unclear on what we are supposed to take seriously and what is played for laughs” is honestly a pretty fair criticism. All here for the respectful nuanced discussion, keep up the great content! 🔥💫
If there's just one take someone might want to take out of this vid, it's this one. It's the root cause of why so many people have such vastly different opinions on characters here.
Honestly love Helluva boss more than Hazbin Hotel. The entire show seems a bit “corny” if you get what I’m saying. In Hazbin Hotel they sing to fix their problems (“It starts with sorry” is an example) where as in Helluva boss they sing about their problems or just have random kick ass music in the background as blood is getting shed.
Yuh
It’s a good criticism in some cases, but I also think the show uses that confusion on comedy vs serious to set up future conflicts. The way Stella is throwing things and screaming at Stolas in s1e2 is easily read as a joke or a minor thing, but it’s used to set up Stella being abusive to the point she tried to have Stolas killed. The diminutive pet names and casual flippancy with which Stolas treats Moxxie, Millie, and the imp servants is used to set up Stolas’ classist attitude being a point of contention between them in later episodes. Things like hell’s sexual harassment power hierarchy (as Danny mentioned) and a lot of physical violence are played for jokes though, and I don’t know if that’ll ever get treated seriously. I suppose it only becomes a problem when it affects interpersonal relationships, which is a bit annoying from a writing standpoint.
Was genuinely flabbergasted listening to the back half of this stream, hearing chat fight Danny on whether that scene of SA was or was not SA (it was, definitely).
Like guys, he's 100% correct in saying that this is basic sex ed consent talk shit here, please.
Your insistence on the sexual assault restored some of my faith in humanity, genuinely
ESPECIALLY the "-even tho he said no he ended up liking it so that's okay- that's dangerous!" and "if they change their mind midway"
This turning into an impromptu lesson about consent was not where I was expecting to go.
Apparently it was necessary, because a lot of people in his chat seemed to not be able to identify SA, which is honestly concerning.
Yeah really proud of how adamant he was about the consent problem. He really wanted to give it the respect it deserved, and points out how fucked it is that everyone is ok with it.
@@withxoutxlife
This is why I can't get behind Team Blitz
Stolas absolutely has his faults.
But he said NO and then had Blitz STILL push it on him.
this!!! i’ve dealt with s/a related trauma for years and seeing danny take the scene apart and talking about how stolas was acting absolutely reminded me of myself. my body language is fcking everything. i will continue to talk, act, maybe even think if i’m lucky, but my body will *move as far away as possible*
Not gonna lie. The fact that it was a debate in chat at all kinda scared me to witness. Wow. Still also good the time was taken to be adamant about how necessary it is. Jeez...
ah yes, the back and forth of danny motta and chat on stolitz for 2 hours
Magnificent ♥️
No, i understand and agree with the commenter who said that “Blitz shows he cares with how he prepared for the night in Full Moon” which is an observation I made in the episode. If he didn’t care he wouldn’t know nor care to know what Stolas enjoys and what he’s uncomfortable with and it showed in how he selected the “toys” for the night. Its a small thing but its a small thing that matters a lot.
I agree. Blitz spent a lot of time and effort (also money I assume) getting ready for that night to make it special for Stolas. It all went to waste because Stolas didn't let Blitz know ahead of time that that full moon was going to be different.
He went about it in a very avoidant manner, but yeah it was absolutely meant to show he cared, in the way he allowed himself to. You don't get that excited and go to that much effort if there aren't feelings involved. He just refuses to allow himself to actually acknowledge the feelings because it's terrifying and avoidance is his coping mechanism
I love how this love stream went from a discussion on how flawed is one character compared to another into a lesson on SA and what is and what isn't consent. Weird turn but LOVE that Danny was so mature on the entire conversation
I’ll make this simple.
Helluva boss is about people born in a bad place developing bad habits due to being around actually bad people. The premise is that they can be better, but risk falling back into their old bad habits.
this is literally so well explained thank you so much.
This is the best summation for the show's messaging that I've ever heard so far!
sounds..... like hazbin
@MC-in8ogalso Hazbin is about sinners who've come from earth whereas helluva boss is about hell-born people who aren't inherently good or bad
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
I was wondering, thanks!
People confusing illiterate and dyslexic when refering to Blitzø is wild to me
He's neither tho. Or some mix of both.
Because she clearly can read to some extent, and can write single words.
But I doubt he can do much more. He even used speech to text to make an add he put on billboard. And we've never seen him text anyone more than two or three words together at max.
He also have a complex about being seen as dumb or stupid, so he most likely wasn't taught to write or read too well.
He also prefers to call instead of messaging. What kind of person capable of writing would be like that?
@nihili4196 You... just explained the fact that he's illiterate. Illiteracy isn't always completely being unable to read and write. Sometimes, it's one or the other and there's a joke in episode 1 with the sign in the background showing most texts are done through speech-to-text anyway
Back to that episode one phone call, when Stolas used a more complicated word and Blitzø thought it was an insult. As someone who had to navigate a relationship with someone who thought I was talking down to him when I used big words, it's not fun. I had to stop talking like I swallowed a dictionary and he started reading more. This is definitely one of the hurdles they need to overcome.
@@michellewest4796 THIS. Which is honestly very nuanced!
He may or may not be illiterate, but by god is he technologically illiterate. Guy cannot type more than two words in a row without 3 mistakes, or even use text-to-speech properly. However, when writing he doesn't have nearly as much trouble.
27:29 "I don't want take away any potential viewship"
Giving Sarcastic Chorus's video the credit it deserves is an instant like & comment for this vid
Also the rant about the perfect Loo Loo Land edit voiced my EXACT thoughts when I watched Sarcastic Chorus' vid
Heck yeah, responsible reaction content! We love to see it.
The only thing I'll add to the discussion is this, Intoxicated is Intoxicated, period. If you are Drunk you are Intoxicated, even if you are just "Buzzed" you are still Intoxicated and may be persuaded to do things you would not do if you were not under the influence of Alcohol.
that is fair i dont drink much but even a buzz can help with nerves and anxiety in the moment mind you it can make it worse afterwards but while you feel good you might not think everything through as much because your usual thoughts are more quiet so i could see it being easier for someone to manipulate you
Danny really put his mind into this. He doesn’t like Blitzo really but I love how he cares so much about Stolas😊.
... Seriously, dude's a massive fanboy of Stolas.
@@seeleunit2000I can’t even imagine there are people who don’t like Stolas
@@LecintelFr. He's my fav character rn. Apart from moxie.
“My editors gonna turn this into a video, you can cut all this out”
I have bad news
And then the cold cut of “I don’t even know what would get cut out.” 🙃
I think the biggest thing that people miss when criticizing Stolas over the transactional relationship is that Stolas doesn't think they're in a transactional relationship.
Their relationship starts with Blitzo sneaking in, tying him up, stealing the book, and sleeping with him. We understand that Blitzo emotionally manipulated him, but Stolas does not. Stolas wakes up the next morning absolutely thrilled, and set on divorcing Stella so he can be with Blitzo. That is not how someone responds to knowing their feelings have been manipulated.
Then, when he calls Blitzo to make the deal around the book, he frames it as a "fun little thing" they can do. Stolas believes that their relationship is real, and is rationalizing Blitzo stealing the book as the prelude to a roleplay, so Stolas doesn't have to accept the fact that Blitzo used him and stole from him. If it's all a game, Stolas doesn't have to be hurt, so he's prepared to ignore all the red flags to make sure it stays a game.
It's only in the Ozzy episode that Blitzo first makes clear to Stolas that Blitzo doesn't see their relationship as real. From that point onward, Stolas doubts his earlier assumption. Soon after, he starts giving Blitzo outs to all their meetings, because he doesn't want to have a transactional relationship, and begins looking for an Asmodian Crystal so Blitzo doesn't need him anymore.
Yes, it is a transactional relationship, and yes that is fucked up, but that is not Stolas' fault. Stolas has tried to prevent it from being a transactional relationship and when, in Full Moon, he found out that he had failed, he ended the relationship for both of their wellbeing, and tried to walk away. Blitzo, on the other hand, got angry that the transactional relationship was coming to an end, even though he was still getting what he wanted, and tried to start a fight with Stolas.
It being a transactional relationship reflects poorly on Blitzo, not Stolas, because Blitzo was the one who understood it was transactional and continued to engage in it anyways.
Thank you! I’m glad someone else mentioned this! Stolas didn’t know that Blitzo didn’t actively want to have sex with him. The first time he meets Blitzo again after all those years, Blitzo is immediately coming onto him strongly. Of course he thinks Blitzo wants a sexual relationship with him
While I agree that blitzo is the one who assumed it was transactional, it's not exactly like he knew it definitely wasn't and one is that stolas could have taken the book back if he wanted to and if he did his business would have been over so he had to do this to keep it regardless of whether he wants it or not
And two is that if he doesn't assume it's transactional ( even though that makes no sense cuz stolas framed the it like a transactional thing) what if that assumption is wrong and then he gets hurt and we all know that blitzø runs from things that could hurt him
Really appreciate this kind of introspection and interaction with the community. I'm still in the middle of it all, so you might address this, but RE: "They're in Hell, they're being hypocrites." I think both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel lean heavily into "everyone's fucked up in different ways."
With Blitzo and Stolas, the idea really isn't that "transactional sex is wrong" but more that Blitzo puts up a wall because he's been used for transactions since he was a child. Stolas has trouble believing he's worth enough without offering payment, because no one in his life worries about what he wants unless he's buying it. The HB team isn't trying to make a broad statement on how relationships should be, except to say that these two characters have distinct and powerful feelings and hangups that they have to address if they're going to be together. Because everyone is fucked up in different ways, there's no one right way to be.
Oh hell yeah, Danny talking Helluva Boss without even needing a new episode.
Right? When I was this pop up I was like omg did a new episode of helluva boss drop?
and then even better 2hrs or so later the next episode comes out and the next day he reacts to it this is an amazing weekend!!
The scene at ozzies is very subtile. And it is further masked by a killer musical number.
Fizz calls blitz a total disgrace, then verossica calls him a "selfish, heartbreaking fiend" aka calls blitz unlovable. Then asmodeus goes for stohlas calling him out for "getting it on with an imp" and ruining his family, stohlas hides his face behind the menu, blitz sees that moments after being called unlovable and sees the one person, who was excited to be around him being ashamed being seen with him.
It's pretty clear that's how he interpreted it too due to his facial expressions and body language after Stolas buries his head in his menu. Blitz was genuinely hurt by the gesture.
Especially because he was there to watch Moxxie and Milly and see what love meant. They continuously supported each other and were shamelessly themselves. Blitzø stood up for Moxxie, I think that proves he really does value him. Then Stolas didn't stand up for Blitzø, which proved to him that the relationship was emotionless and any love that was shown was just for entertainment or kink or something
I'm glad someone brought this up. Cause like this came off super clear end of season 2 when Blitz0 is still trying to not be 'thrown away' when Stolas gives him an Asmodeon crystal.
I was hoping so much that danny would react to this scene!!!
I mean didn't HE bring stolas to this random party and give him some hope for a date just because he wanted to stalk his employees? Isn't stolas more justified in having less self esteem when the man he likes is just using him and not even paying an iota of attention to him despite asking him out? He does have low self esteem but that doesn't give him the right to treat anyone else like shit.
I think it’s important to notice that in the full moon ep. Everyone who’s a friend of blitz thought that stolas was getting bored of him because they’re the bottom of the food chain in hell. And blitz was panicking because he thought that was true. Only Fiz was the one who thought he was genuine and that’s only because he was in loving relationship with a higher being so he understood that nobles can care about them(but even then that took years of trust)
Fizz interacting with Oliver is one of favourites because it links back to when he lost his hearing after the explosion. AND showing Fizz becoming a role model/inspiring to someone just like how Mammon was for him at that age.
Danny passing the vibe check with his SA takes
FR bro it’s actually INSANE how many people were like “Stolas wanted it” like uhm no? He moved away and said that he DIDNT want it 💀
@@Socialy-Awkward yea, his body language was a firm no. Like that one chat commenter said, if it's not an enthusiastic yes, it's a no.
@@Elethia1213 well said. All people do is hear the moans and stuff and just think he want it based off that
@@Elethia1213a hundred nos and a yes means yes
@@dream6562Even if on that hundred and first time happens to be when a weapon gets pulled on the person being asked?
There is an in world explaination to Blitzo's misspellings only over text. Back when there was the Helluva Boss instagram accounts, it was confirmed that his fingers are too big for the buttons and he constantly misspelt on his account.
Somebody tried to tell me once that he was illiterate because his father never taught him how to read and write. And I was like… no… it’s text speech. He writes perfectly fine on his calendar. 😂
This
oh - I feel dumb now being one of the ones like "idk the answer, but his instagram"
Okay, I loved how you called one team "team they both need therapy" because that would help. Couples Therapy where someone just said "and now how did that make you feel." and they talk would help so much.
As someone with family members that has been SA'd I'm very grateful that you have spoken up about it My mother and multiple of her siblings are the result of SA and so I a lot of the time take a stronger stance then most because of it so hearing you speak up about it has made me like you and your content even more You already make me forget about all of constant issues that keep popping up in my life and so I'm extremely grateful and proud to be your fan.
The thing about the power imbalance is that you have to look at it from Blitz' persepective aswell.
Stolas CAN, if he feels like it, turn Blitz inside out and nobody could do anything about it. Since Blitz doesn't truly know that Stolas actually loves him (to him the cutetsy Stolas moments are just long term sex RP), so in his mind if he loses Stolas' attention, he could either just lose his job or full on be murdered on the spot if Stolas wanted to preserve his image atleast a little.
Literally its just like royalty in the medieval ages but the nobles can literally bend the world to their will.
I disagree with you on the part about could kill them. Because if that's the case, spider man can't date marry jane because there's a power imbalance
@@cablefeed3738 I never said anything about not dating. From Blitz's persepective, again it might aswell be longterm RP, the power imbalance exists. It doesn't matter if Stolas uses it or not. And unlike with spoderman, this isn't a romantic relationship, this is a transactual relationship in which the dominant party (Stolas) can just decided if Blitz gets to keep his livelyhood and, again, he is definetly powerfull enough to just kill Blitz on the spot if he so wished too.
The reason I added the 'From Blitz's persepective" part was so this type of argument can't be used since it just doesn't fit the reasoning for why Blitz somewhat rightfuly believes an imbalance exists (Even thought Stolas, just like Peter P., would never do such a thing in reality)
Understandable doesn't mean justifiable. He assumed what Stolas would actually do and what Stolas' personality would be outside of this "long-term roleplay" simply because of his position in power (and his belief that no one could really love or care about him like that, due to his own self-loathing), rather than as his own- like... Idk, being. Soul. Person. He doesn't look outside of him being royalty.
And while people would try to say the same about Stolas towards Blitzø as an imp, he has TRIED to get to know him as his own being, the impish play thing happened early season 1, BEFORE Stolas seems to start actively looking for a deeper relationship AND starts to realize the unhealthy aspects of their relationship.
Now, that's not to excuse his obviousness and, to quote Danny, "Main character syndrome" he seems to exude around his butler imps, and perhaps other imps in general. Which, hopefully he recognizes that later on.
Some people are just sick of others defending Blitzø, explaining, and trying to _justify_ his actions. Not saying there aren't Stolas fans who do that too for Stolas, it's just been OVERWHELMINGLY Blitzø defense I've seen (and Stolas slander, which has had points, I just don't see much Stolas defense without there being comments that push back on even the slightest defense he DOES have [FROM WHAT I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN, I COULD BE OBJECTIVELY WRONG]), when Blitzø is- arguably- more in the wrong. But his reasoning and his trauma makes it FAR easier to forgive IF he puts the effort into changing (which if the ending and the trailer is of any indication, he DOES want to change, and it's why I'm 99% not mad at him, and am even rooting for him, I just think that this fight was a good thing for Blitzø's unhealthy mindset).
That's the point ! How does Danny not get that ? The Impa are literally on the bottom of the social hierarchy of hell ! It's constantly pointed out. Blitz's business is something unique amongst his species. Stolas constantly is condescending and classist to Imps even if he doesn't mean it. Though that doesn't change the fact that he is.
But try telling that to Stolas' number one fanboy
@@cablefeed3738...Homeboy, Spiderman shouldn't date Mary Jane for a ton of reasons but at least they're both human more or less.
The guy is a superhero with ridiculous strength, speed, and stamina who fights supervillains who could easily kill him or his loved ones if they learn his identity.
Which again the whole "having to reveal his identity to the masses" thing was a dumbest thing ever (who's was bright idea what's that ?).
Stolas is a prince of hell. He has money, he has status, he has power... He demonstrated he could turn an Imp to stone when not bound by blessed rope. Even if he doesn't mean it, he is very condescending to the imps who's names aren't Blitz. And even with Blitz, he is condescending and classist. Plus, from the start when he was watching Blitz fight off that cannibal woman, he knew his life was on the line, but still made a deal where's the Blitz for the book for sex. He knew it and everyone else knew it.
Just because he caught feelings, doesn't mean that doesn't make what he did any better.
The real irritating factors that everyone in the fandom wants to babies Stolas like he is just some defenceless walking baby... He is not dammit
The bilateral thinking in the fandom is enough to make me want to vomit
Moxxie references a mob family in the first episode so I’d believe they had his backstory planned out. If not it’s possible they built his backstory based on him not wanting to kill a mother.
That's what we call foreshadowing.
It could easily be either/or honestly.
From what brandon Rogers said on a podcast (the lightweights podcast) the writers know how they want the story to end and where they want the characters to end up
I think the best example of Viv's shows being wishy-washy with their standing in morals is in Hazbin Hotel. It has an episode dedicated to how bad victims of SA trapped in their situation have it with Angel Dust...and then they did bigger SA joke sir Pentious. And it is fair to say that Helluva Boss has this issue too. Which is why it is hard to judge at times what is to be taken into consideration as a build-up to things like Stolas and Blitz breaking up. Like whole social class difference thing. It is there, but I feel like the writing of the show itself didn't took it that much into consideration in Stoliz relationship's issues. Just like it down-played Blitz not coming to see Stolas for months. It kinda is like with Blitz twin sister. We are told in campers ep that Blitz was trying to reach out to her at rehab man-many times...but outside this episode you would have issues to point evidence that Blitz cared this much about his sister. With maybe exception of one poster on the wall and old photo in his phone that he could as well have fully just 'cos his mother is there too.
As a victim of SA, all I can really say to you is an emphatic *Thank You*. Thank you for sticking to your guns and making consent very clear to (almost) everyone. I don’t know your main demographic, but regardless, it’s so encouraging to see someone with the reach and platform you have take a steadfast stance on something so important. You may not change every mind, but even just one is enough.
21:31 this sounds like the similar dilemma with Hazbin Hotel where people talk about how this show does comedic and serious sexual harassment moments and it makes only the villain characters be the bad people for doing the sexual harassment while the protagonists doing it is comedic
Or the joke with Sir Pentious being dragged away into the sex room. :(
@@aitanacruz9882 yeah I didn’t like how they have Pentious being dragged against his will into a sex room but in that same episode we have Angel confronting his abuser
@@aitanacruz9882Also the moment Pentious kissed Cherry without her consent... She even rejected a drink from him, I'm sure if he had asked she would have said no
@@chihuhasIt’s a very common troupe, are you from twitter or something? It’s really not serious at all, it’s a classic in romance media.
@@_ShiAngel That doesn't make it right
Hey Danny, love your content but I really appreciate you taking the time to take a firm stance to go over the seriousness of sexual assault. I'm a therapist who works basically exclusively with sexual offenders, and education on what constitutes consent/assault/etc. is a huge part of my job. That you vocalized it so firmly with your platform is genuinely amazing to see.
Also I think in Truthseekers it's worth noting that while yes, Blitz was literally a clown, I think this shows he still views himself as a clown. As the butt of jokes. As something to be mocked and laughed at, and not even because he's funny (because he was a comparatively bad clown) but because he's a failure. It doesn't matter that Blitz isn't stupid, he /thinks/ he's stupid.
I can’t imagine how hard it must be to deal with the monsters of the world. My deepest thanks to therapists like you, putting your existence in danger to try to talk to a demon.
@@cherribomb5422 While I appreciate the appreciation, the vast majority of my clients are not, in fact, monstrous. All I do is educate and help develop skills on things like empathy, problem-solving, communication, and finding ways to cope with difficult circumstances and emotions. It's amazing what simple things could keep most of them from having ever offended, if someone had bothered to do so early on.
Agree, the section in this when he discusses their first interaction is great!
@@cherribomb5422 Kinda fucked how much you dehumanize them. You realize people who sexual assault are still people, right? Not an excuse for their awful actions, but people can change, that's the whole point of therapy. The commenter literally said he teaches them about what consent is, implying that a lot of them aren't that knowledgeable on it. You talk about them as if they are inhuman vermin that need to be repelled like rats.
this video is genuinely so good, i love how unashamed and open you are about the writers,loopholes and the blitz and stolas sexual assault scene. not to deep it but as someone who has been in a similar situation as stolas in that scene it was refreshing so hear you unapologetically say its wrong rather than just dismiss it due to it being more complicated than the “usual” shown sexual assault shown in media.
(sorry if this is just waffle and doesn’t make sense, bottom line: good video!!) ❤
also off topic i think you should play YTTD (Your Turn To Die) I’m not gonna go into detail about it but personally i love the writing behind it and everything is quite realistic which i think you’ll appreciate.
I loved this nuanced discussion about this topic, but just wanted to throw out a reminder on the Blitz's self loathing or feeling unworthy of love topic there isn't just some president for it there is A LOT some of the most damning evidence being that in the end of the Ozzie's episode you see all the photos in his house where he has scratched his own face out as if to say everyone would be better off without him, and that episodes ends with him looking at a picture of his happy family of himself, his sister, and his mother who his own actions literally killed. I cannot even begin to imagine how much his botched confession to Fizz leading to the horrible maiming of one of his friends (possibly the only one at this point?) and the ruining of the only happy parts of his family has haunted him. Also yeah the first night is very much SA regardless of the fact that Stolas made a joke about Blitz being there for that and being into it after the bite he said no and that means no. I also really hate that scene comes after Stolas' wife admitting that "Stolas just lies there and that she does all the work" I really don't like the implications that has especially when we see young Stolas cry at the idea of being forced to have a wife and how enamored he was with a young Blitz. This comment is extremely long and all to say there are a lot of little things that get glossed over in watching the episodes and honestly I just want them both to end up in much healthier relationship.
1:37:04 so glad my comment about the moxxie bit in truth-seekers got seen before the end of the stream! It’s such a small bit, especially since typically the only part of the hallucination brought up is the part with stolas at the very end, but I’m super glad you were able to see it!
I definitely agree, it’s small but it says a lot about blitz, especially his frustration with his “why are you talking like that” line and the way he’s squinting while moxxie mocks him and tells him that everybody talks like that. It always stuck out to me, and I’m pretty sure that’s where most people got the idea that he was less educated/ somewhat illiterate.
He grew up in the circus and then basically was out on the streets until he was able to create IMP, so he never really learned to talk in the flowery way that the royals and even a majority of the “lower-class” imps and demons speak. It adds onto that feeling of being lesser and blitz’s separation from everyone in his life. I’m pretty sure that there’s even a running bit that he makes moxxie do all his paperwork that can tie in here!
Super engaging stream, it was really interesting and rewarding to get to be part of it!
I never gave that bit of the episode a second thought, but I really enjoyed having it pointed out, thank you for bringing our attention to it! Its so interesting to dig into Blitzø's character, theres a lot that isnt stated outright, you have to pay attention and look into the details. Thats something I really love about this show.
Reading this comment also puts another moment into perspective, that being in the Spring Broken episode when Moxxie suggests being the one to talk to Verosika because he doesn't care about "pop genre" and Blitz's reaction to Moxxie talking cumulating into "Moxxie, shut the fuck up." I used to just think it was Blitz being annoyed at the situation in general (which he certainly is), and the only overarching significance is being an early sign of Moxxie being pretentiously up his own ass that gets further explored in Unhappy Campers. But it does add a lot in context of the ongoing character struggle with Stolas and Blitz's hallucination with Moxxie.
That makes sense specially for Moxxie as well, where Mox is a theatre-goer and a lil more of a "nerd" for lack of a better term. So of course he's using more ..."academic" terms. But probably with zero thought into how Blitz potentially interprets that use? Interesting point!
For the literacy part: There is also the bit of the billboard being speech-to-text, rather than him actually writing it, despite that being not that long of a sentence. (And him apparently not double checking that) He most likely does have difficulty reading and writing properly.
@@Kaymazo Yes, this! I was waiting for someone to bring that up.
I think I care less about the killing of humans in this show since I know they get an immortal life in heaven or hell. But the deaths of people like Moxies mom hurts since as far as we know imp souls simply die
Though it would be funny if when an imp dies they become an human on earth. Like depending on how they were in their hell life.
Sure, but they have had multiple episodes featuring child murder as a bit. Its fucked up, so I can see Danny's perspective here completely.
@@withxoutxlife so? I really don’t understand what’s so confusing. I think a lot of you are just over thinking it.
Just got out of a job interview, and was like "ugh tired, let me find a rant/essay", opened TH-cam and this was the first result that appeared. Amazing experience, 10/10 would like for this to happen again
Say it with me everybody
Unconscious 👏 people 👏 don't 👏 want 👏 tea
Besides the british person doxxing, i think the situation being complicated is really nuanced. I think it's absolutely SA, even if unintentional. The reason I say unintentional is that Blitzø doesn't know that Stolas can even be harmed at that point, and so is completely unaware that he's pressuring Stolas with the fact that he kills people. He then takes Stolas' reaction as flirty, and sees that as an opportunity to distract him while he steals the book. You can actually see the moment that he flips the switch from 'steal it and run away' to 'distract him with flirting and steal the book'.
With SA, the conversation is always sensitive and nuanced, and even though it was completely unintentional, Blitzø still did it. This may be because he didn't think that Stolas could get hurt, and wasn't nervous but in fact flirting the whole time. It's easy to see that he could mistake nervousness for flirting because of the divide between viewers thinking that he was or wasn't flirting, with that and Stolas' implications beforehand about Blitzø being there with ulterior motives, it's easier to understand why he did what he did.
After he stole the book and Stolas went on his speech about having a crush on Blitzø for a while (or something idk how to phrase it) from Blitzø's perspective, he is and was always into it, and feeling bad for Stolas, decided to stay and do the nasty with him out of pity. Although pity s*x and SA are on COMPLETELY different levels of sh*tty, I think people are judging Blitzø too harshly for the SA, considering he probably didn't know it even was SA.
(I can't justify Blitzø's disregard of Stolas' uncomfortable, very negative body language. That was sh*tty of him, I don't love Blitzø enough to try and justify that)
One important thing to note with season 1 episode 6 truth seekers, you see Blitz being put on a chain that Stolas is pulling, and since it's happening when he is drugged on the truth serum it's safe to assume that Blitz thinks of himself as a sort of prisoner, and the fact that it's a fancy collar made out of gold that Stolas is pulling on like how a owner would pull their dog one could argue that Blitz thinks Stolas see him as a sort pet, plus it's brought up several times in hallucination the idea that Blitz is scared to love people which could explain why he is shown to be callous around Stolas.
Exactly. Until being given that Crystal, Blitz how to make sure to satisfy the owlman or his killing business would go under. And even if Blitz "got another job" and probably wouldn't be anywhere near as lucrative send Imps are very low on the totem pole.
It's a fact he keeps ignoring that just Burns me
Stolas also refers to Blitz as his "Impish plaything" at one point which is a pretty objectifying thing to call someone, and repeatedly ignores Blitz openly expressing his discomfort towards being referred to as "Blitzy" which he could also possibly see as being treated like a pet, as well as his boundaries not being taken seriously.
@@sardonicus1739 yeah exactly no matter stolas' intentions he still does things that put blitz down and further cements the difference between their classes. Blitz keeps stolas at a distance and is callous or mean to him on purpose while stolas tries to act all lovey or flirtatious and tries to keep him close but in doing so leads blitz to pull away more because to blitz he is making fun of him for being a lower class. Neither of them know how to love, so neither are wrong, yet at the same time they both are.
Blitz was sold, branded, and made to perform like an animal, the fact that he was a "lesser species" was something that it seems the people around him wouldn't let him forget so every nickname that seems like it would be nothing obviously reminded him of the fact that he is just a lower life form.
@@sardonicus1739 I have problem with that point, seeing that everyone apparently objectifies everyone and calls them names all the time. It's another problem with show's approach to everything really.
Because yes, Stolas calls Blitzo many names, but so does Blitzo.
And it's really hard to figure out which comment would or wouldn't hurt a character unless you know everything about that character.
I'm so glad you mentioned Sarcastic Chorus because he's very good at analyzing ships and the nuances of every ship and their fandom. He made a 3 hour video in the Total Drama shipping drama and I loved it
I love all his videos, but at the same time, I wish he didn't make that 1 because it's just being used as a hammer to smack anyone who doesn't like blitz. Most of the people who uses this video as proof Don't even understand what they're talking about.
I watched that whole total drama video In one sitting , worth it, but yea sarcastic chorus is great
he's the goat
Danny barely watched that video. If he watched the whole thing it would have been different with full context.
I agree with sarcastic chorus for the most part but I feel like he comes down a bit too hard on Stolas (not saying Stolas isn't in the wrong too btw, I just disagree that one is more in the wrong than the other. I feel they are both a bit wrong and a bit right/valid given context )
Blitzø IS dyslexic.
1. He misspells his handwritten add in Spring Broken (6.45) [The R in "spring" is added later]
2. He misspells his text messages to Millie in Seeing Stars (19.03)
3. He misspells the note in Murder Family (2.07)
4. He uses speech-to-text in a billboard and it is still misspelled in Murder Family (5.06)
5. He misspells his text to Stolas even when he is really worried in Western Energy (17.26)
6. He is not sure what a grimoire is in Murder Family (8.14)
7. He asks Stolas not to use "fancy-ass rich people talk" in Murder Family (8.49) [Here I think he doesn't understand the following words: permitting, access?, realm, exchange, enticing]
8. His hallucination of rude and mean Moxxie has a bad sound quality and uses more complex language and long proverbs in Truth Seekers (9.25)
9. Moxxie's speech tunes out, as if he cannot follow it, in Spring Broken (3.34)
10. Again, Moxxie's speech tunes out, as if he cannot follow it, in Truth Seekers (9.49)
Yes, sometimes he spells stuff correctly, like in his notes about his pony OCs in Exes and Oohs (0.08), but these are things he is passionate about AND he has all the time in the world, so he can be interested and careful about his spelling.
His dyslexia might be because he is not well-educated or because of ADHD or brain injury or anything else, but that man is dyslexic.
(Yes, I have dyslexia. Yes, I used AI to check my own spelling and pacing in this comment, because I'm passionate about this show. Yes, this took me almost an hour to reseach and write.)
Note: I actually went back to that horse OC board and even it has typos!!
You are completely right about the writers being wishy-washy about what the show takes seriously and what is supposed to be a funny joke. That’s why when I see REALLY in-depth debates about Stolitz I can’t help but mourn the loss of the comedy the show once had. Still, the new direction they’re taking it is interesting in a different way, and I do still want to see more!
I panicked a bit when chat almost didn’t pass the vibe check when you brought up consent though 😅 I’m glad the general consensus came around to “if it’s not an overt yes it’s a NO”. I get the scene treats the subject matter pretty lightly so it’s easy to be like “no that wasn’t sexual assault/harassment”, but like, it absolutely is, and it plays HEAVILY into the way the show switches between portraying abhorrent behavior as “bad” or “funny”. But yeah, I’m glad you talked about it and stood your ground on it, not for the purpose of making Blitz an objective villain but because you wanted to make sure people KNEW that no means no (and also to highlight the power dynamic is very nuanced).
Yup! It's one of my biggest critics with the hella verse shows
specifically with ángel dust being assaulted taken seriously and pentious being assaulted in a club being just a 'joke'
DANNY WATCHED SARCASTIC CHORUS?!! LETS GO
WOOOOOOOOOOO
35:00 imma be honest before he’s pointed it out I never noticed the lisp. His voice is so much more satisfying to hear than most other reaction TH-camrs
Me neither! I never noticed it
Danny is the only youtuber I genuinely watch. Like his voice doesn't annoy me lol it's just super satisfying and nice
@@DollopHead_35 I completely agree and same
So true! It's also because Danny uses a lot of intonation in how he speaks. Nobody wants to listen to monotone droning. I'll say he'd be a great VA. Some people just have a natural pleasant voice you want to listen to.
I do want to point out that the comment about Fizz knowing sign language is the show being “woke and progressive” is wildly off, it was supposed to be in reference to Fizz also being deaf, or at least somewhat hearing impaired to the point where he knows sign language
It was supposed to show that he has young fans who relate to him and look up to him, like he did with Mammon. And it partially helps him be brave enough to stand to Mammon, along with Ozzie and Blitz’s encouragement
I found it to be a really good foil for Mammon and Fizz’s relationship. Fizz actually relates firsthand and cares about this fan, while Mammon obviously doesn’t care and doesn’t relate to Fizz; Mammon forces Fizz into jobs that he doesn’t want or like, while Fizz tells the kid he can be whatever he wants and sets his heart to; Mammon uses Fizz to further his own career and income, while Fizz uses the kid as inspiration and encouragement to finally quit his abusive job
I do agree that the show doesn’t know what to take seriously but that’s not the show just being “progressive” for the sake of it
That final conversation was also pretty wild in the presentation, like in what Universe does it seem like a good idea to ask for the book back and tell him it's permanent with no context as to why until you pull out the Crystal and he's already been living in panic for a good 60 seconds or so
I don't even think the crystal plan was a bad idea, but dear God the execution was abysmal and he abandons the whole thing at the very first sign of anything going differently than he planned talk about not giving someone time to work through things, just took the first words out of his mouth as the totality of his answer when clearly he didn't fully grasp how real the situation was
Danny is Stolas' #1 fan and protector... respect
Why is there a translate to English on this comment?
@@user-kc6qp7cq3c Magic
@@user-kc6qp7cq3cidk lol
I love how translation doesn't change anything at all
I feel him in that regard 🫡
To talk a little about the putting stolas on a pedestal thing, I think the show's framing of the characters leans into it. Blitz as a character is very much one of comic relief. He makes a majority of the jokes throughout the show and a lot of those jokes are made through the framing of him as an asshole. He regularly makes other people the butt of a joke. The only episode we really see examining this is moxize and blitz bad trip. And yes using jokes as a deflection is very real but so often the regular delivery of blitz making jokes at the expense of other characters are indeed meant to be taken as jokes.
Then you have stolas who I never personally saw as a comedic character. So many of the scenes and episodes around him are emotional ones. He is a very sad and hurt character (like everyone else) but very rarely are his scenes meant to be lighthearted and funny. Unlike other characters who have a bit of a balance between being comedic v. emotional, stolas characterization is very heavily meant to be emotionally resonant.
So what ends up happening is you have this person who constantly makes other people the butt of jokes direct their attention to a character who we very often see hurt and treated badly. It makes there interactions feel like blitz is making jokes at stolas expense while stolas himself attempts to pay attention to blitz and if he is upset (the texts).
It just feels like the show is constantly trying to use the same train tracks to get to different destinations and it causes so many moral contradictions
This is such a good point!
A little thing about Stolas affecting Blitz’s livelihood is that Blitz kinda needs the book to fulfill his contracts.. regardless if he has clients, it wouldn’t matter if he even can complete those contracts in the first place
To add to the whole S2E1 debate, Stolas asks if Blitz is still a clown, to which Blitz answers that he isn’t, and then says his new position (albeit poorly) in order to preemptively answer Stolas’ next question which would’ve been “what do you do now?”. Listening to the tone that Blitz mentions that he kills people, it’s a more casual tone. He only sees the opening to get the book and takes advantage of that previously mentioned opportunity to do what was necessary to obtain his means of his job..although, some of his advances were excessive, I will admit that.
I don't think Blitzø meant for it to sound threatening but he did like the power it gave him when it got interpreted as threatening and liked the power of forcing himself onto Stolas' while Stolas' was saying no. I don't know if Blitzø was taking it as Stolas' roleplaying being scared or not but assuming someone is 'playing hard-to-get' isn't a good thing to do. Also, someone can't properly consent to sex under false pretenses.
@@amandap7599 understandable
I honestly think that Blitz was TRYING to make Stolas uncomfortable. Not necessarily to assault him, but to chase him away so he can just steal the book
Which doesn't excuse it because it's still SA ! ^^
Wanting to make someone uncomfortable using sex it's still sexual assault buddy...
i highly reccomend you watch "therapist reacts to Helluva Boss Full moon" (that's not the title but if you look that up, it's the first video). she dives deep into Blitz and Stolas's trauma and how they reacted durring the episode. plus, she's actually a fan of the show, and has videos on several other episodes, so she's not just a random person coming into this ep with no prior knowledge.
I love her channel lmao
I love Georgia Dow! She's helped me understand so much about the characters I love!
Oh, I saw the video in my feed but thought it was just a therapist taking a look at the episodes without fully knowing the story (like when they sometimes do “doctor react to … show injuries” or stuff like that), so i never clicked on it. Definitely going to watch it now, thanks for the information.
@@aaazzz8324 yes, highly recc her vids!! she cosplays as the characters in every video she does and they're always so good, plus her analysis's of the eps are so spot on and well articulated. her voice is also extremely calming lol.
i love her videos she has a cute personality and a calming voice also love how she tries to see all sides
Blitz and Stolas have differing communication styles however both are caused by trauma. Blitz reacts to triggering things by either lashing out or avoiding and on the opposite side of the trauma spectrum you have Stolas who responds to triggering things with people pleasing. Which are pretty much the exact opposite of the other and that’s why they can never seem to communicate properly
This is so accurate! As a perpetual people pleaser myself, I’ve reacted just like Stolas did with those text messages as a trauma response when I felt threatened. Overall, the whole situation is full of trauma from both sides with walls that need to be brought down to properly communicate and come to an understanding.
The people trying to point out that Stolas 'changed his mind' after getting bitten remind me why the whole 'you can't consent during a scene' thing has to be repeated so often. -Once the "action" starts, any consent that's received isn't valid, not only because of potential coercion, but also because there's tons of hormones, endorphins, and all sorts of chemicals running through that person's body at that point, it's like trying to argue that if someone says no sober, but says yes while they're drunk it's okay.
Hell, the fact that his mind changes after getting bitten just nails the point home - during S&M scenes a ton of endorphins, adrenaline, and emotions start pumping through a person's body, and a good portion of that is from the pain aspect. By that point, the people involved aren't in the right state of mind to consent.
THIS. Someone "consenting" during doesn't count because they are not in a situation where they CAN give full consent at that point.
Something I noticed about their characters are the way the show affection to each other is in a way the other can’t necessarily comprehend as a way to show affection. Stolas’s love language is words of admiration. He kind of confessed his love to Blitz by telling him that he cares and wants to be in his presence, but Blitz doesn’t see that as a way to show affection bc he most likely barely got that kind of affection as a kid, and the moment he tried to show that kind of affection, he caused the fire that devastated his ride-or-die best friend and killed his mother. So, he’s kind of blocked out that as a way to show affection. On the other hand, Blitz’s way to show affection is through acts of kindness. He spent his whole afternoon trying to find things that he thought Stolas would enjoy. When Moxxie was on his anniversary date and getting called out on singing a love song in a lust club-despite knowing who he was talking to- Blitz made the conscious decision to stand up for his employee and fellow friend, knowing the hot water he was dropping himself in. Anytime someone treated Stolas to an act of kindness as a kid, it was their job to do so.
Tl;dr: Stolas and Blitz both have their way of showing affection, but because of past trauma or experiences, they don’t see the others way as a way of showing care.
This video just made me realize I was sexually assaulted earlier tonight, because I said no multiple times and he didnt stop and then I caved.
Welp 💔
I'm so sorry to hear this happened to you. Likewise I'm super grateful he did such a clear explanation of consent and SA so perhaps more folks can recognize it and prepare themselves
I hope that you are okay
Hope ur doing okay now
I'm so sorry to hear that happened to you, I hope that you are able to get away from that person and talk to someone about this! ❤
Sorry that happened to you. I hope you're in a safe space now and you know where you can reach out for help if you need it. Take care.
I'm sorry to hear that.
Danny was 100% correct about the assault Blitz did. That activity can trigger lovey dovey feelings that confuse your memory about. There is a reason “we’ll, they ended up liking it” is a shut down of the discussion
The power dynamic is worse
@@dream6562I wouldn't say worse, but I do agree that because it is not an instantaneous action, it does feel more intentional and impactful to have it ongoing.
Like...if the initial action was a 10, and the power imbalance is a 2, it ends up being 2+2+2+2+2...as it goes on.
@@dream6562That doesn't give anyone the right to assault someone.
@@dream6562ah so it’s ok to SA someone as long as they have more social status and power than I do. Get real. 🙄
I also think there's something to br said about "fawn" being a possible response to fear, so Stolas trying to be polite about it etc. doesn't invalidate that he's clearly uncomfortable
chiming in about the lisp, I was put through speech therapy to get rid of mine, and it's really heartening to hear yours and know that someone can be successful with one!
I had to get into both Hazbin and Helluva. I usually avoid things that get popular or mainstream but it just intrigued me. Then I realized they sort of both started like three years ago and somehow just blew up and you and other TH-camrs I watch were talking about it and I just had to see it and omgosh I am so happy I did. They're both just awesome.
I’d say that Blitzø behaviour is weird even in hell. Other imps give him looks like what he says and does is inappropriate. There’s also a big difference between being a sinner and a hell born. Sinners revive, there are zero consequences for their actions in hell, but hell borns don’t seem to come back and there are laws but how well they’re enforced it likely up to the ring or crime
So glad you mentioned sarcastic chorus there really great and I love all there analysis on this duo. Thank you Danny for making this live stream ❤
only 30 minutes in and this is amazing. Love how receptive you are to everyone's opinions and rebuttals, and how respectful you are when voicing your own. 10/10
As someone who LOVES Stolas, this is still missing some important details.
Why did Blitz need to break into Stolas palace for the book? It's the same reason he freaks out in Full Moon. We see Blitz have multiple careers that all end up as duds, and we see how much Blitz is praised for his business because imps don't normally get those opportunites. Access to Stolas and his Grimoire are the only reason he has his livelihood. He definitely oversteps in 2:1, but if Stolas hadn't wanted sex after he ties him up, he would have just left. If blitz didn't like Stolas, he would have had psex and left like he did with Chaz. He stays all night/until the next morning, and the show makes that painfully obvious with the next day card when normally so much of the context is very subtle (like Stolas in the fridge with his imp next to it).
I don't see many fans just giving Blitz a free pass. Yeah they're out there, but I think most fans, even Blitz Stan, want him to improve and not be shitty for his own sake.
This show rewards a lot of rewatch for all these subtle characterizations and moments, just like real people can't be fully understood without getting to know them.
It's also hard to remember and keep track of what we the audience see vs.what Blitz & Stolas have seen from each other. Someone pointed out the other day that Blitz (to our knowledge) has never even seen Stolas sing. We have so much more show left to see based on what Vivzie and Brandon have said, and I think we have to be careful not to make assumptions about these characters with really unfair assumptions on either part. Stolas is not manipulative, Blitz isn't heartless and we'll all be better off if we stop pretending they're not end game. 🤭
Blitz isn't heartless, but he is a terrible person and while I would like him to improve. I would like people to stop acting like stolas Is evil when if any one in this relationship is a bad person, it's blitz. Not because of the relationship, but outside of it, he is just straight up awful.
@@cablefeed3738 I'm not sure if the "acting like Stolas is evil" is directed at me or some of the fans who have been saying much more malicious things, but just wanted to comment and say I agree! I love Stolas, I think his intentions are pure, but his impact isn't (ala fridge scene). I want them both to improve! Blitz has a lot more runway to do that then Stolas, and he has to catch up emotionally. I would love to see Stolas grapple with the class inequality and learning to be more realistic romantically, and Blitz to reckon with his past and be less cruel to people around him like he did with Moxxie in Truth Seekers.
I feel that a lot of people dislike Blitz mainly because he's an asshole to everyone. He oversteps boundaries constantly, tries to fuck everyone, and lives for attention.
And here is the problem, we don't know why he stayed with Stolas. And I believe he doesn't know either.
I don't think he thinks about stuff like that. He craves connections and wants to have a family, but he doesn't want to put in work, because he wants it now.
And I believe that he grew comfortable knowing that he has Stolas, that he's enough for Stolas as is, that once Loona accidentally made him doubt himself, he went into panic mode.
A lot of people criticise Stolas for failing to communicate with Blitzo at that moment, but I feel like it was too late to communicate at that moment from the start, and it wasn't Stolas's fault.
A lot of disfunctional things in this relationship happened because both sides failed to communicate, but communication failure came about not due to either of them. One of rare times when you can even blame someone is Blitzo taking Stolas on a date, and even that thing spiraled out of control beyond what could be reasonably assumed. If they weren't spotted, this would be just very boring date for both of them.
But it also shows just how thoughtless Blitzo can be, as he would toy with Stolas so blatantly without even realising. He even mocked him for looking so dapper on a date.
Blitzo doesn't think, he does because he wants results now.
I'm not trying to defend him, that's rather a statement of his character.
He's not heartless, he's emotionally stupid.
I don't think Blitzø necessarily needed to steal the book. Stolas was very fond of Blitzø even as a friend. I think there's a strong possibility that Stolas would have agreed to helping Blitzø with his business as a friend. Blitzø didn't actually believe that Stolas saw him as a real friend (and had plenty of trauma to cause him to feel that way) so he definitely felt like he needed to steal the book though. Stolas was starved for any sort of genuine connection, so he put a lot more value in his friendship with Blitzø than made any sense.
@@cablefeed3738 stolas is not evil he is very flawed but that makes him more likable imo he might not be the best dad though although he cares just bad at showing it but to be fair stolas is leagues better than his father
The real villain is all the daddy issues they have.
Never was so excited for a video of Danny, you're telling me I'm getting over 1 hour straight of this man? Couldn't be happier
Thanks for the strong stance on the SA Danny! Really enjoyed watching this, I don't usually like livestreams but this is one I wish I could have been apart of. Keep up the awesome work! ❤
It's shocking how many people don't understand that just because someone flirted with you doesn't mean you have permission to force yourself on them. Yes, Blitz sexually assaulted Stolas.
I have read alot of comments and just from the chats while live, it really seems like people do not understand consent and sexual assault. It is frighteningly worrisome. This goes to show just how little people are being taught about sex ed or anything of the sort nowadays.
Danny even makes fun of that mindset with "14 no's means no, but 1 through 13 is a clear yes" line.
Yes, Stolas flirted first, but he said he was just teasing, he didn't meant it, and he was visibly uncomfortable and was trying to back away multiple times.
Some people are saying that Blitzo was fearing for his life, and maybe that's true. But Stolas was actively trying to leave the room.
@@BeastManGamer1 It feels like the issue is less that people don't learn about consent and SA, but more that people lack media literacy and refuse to believe that their fav characters can do anything wrong. Like "if you like Valentino from HH, that also means you support his character's actions" sorta mindset, so they try to justify their character's actions and are just deluding themselves or ignoring the flaws
It really doesn't help when the person says no means yes and gets offended when you stop.
Oh don't get me wrong here, no is no 200% of the time. I'm not going to risk jail time on the off chance the person was just playing hard to get. Though there is that subset and it confuses the situation.
This is my option on this so if you want you can of course reply but I will add I'm a sa victim so this is my view i don't think bilzø saed stoales(sorry I dont know how to spell his name so i'll just call him st) but it starts off with st teasing bilz bilz is shocked as he was most likely thinking holy fuck im going to die because he just got caught breaking in to a prince's house with powers that can kill him in a instant after a bit bilz starts to flirt back which makes st also flirt with him after that they start talking when bliz flirts again with st with "well how afraid to you want to be" which makes st move his hand and and stumble his words which let me remind you this man has been stuck in a abused broken marriage as a gay man so when a man flirts with him which is his crush as well I would think he would be nervous at one point he does back up and say "is it hot in here im starting to feel very hot" which is a sign of nervousness or maybe lust as bilz pushes him back into the book shelf and doesn't even try to push him or anything just waiting for bilzs next move if he didnt want this why didnt he use his powers? Not only that but when bliz pushes him on the bed he even moves a bit for him to get on as well he even asked "well bliz what are gonna do to me?" And bliz response with "well what do you want me to do?" Waiting for a response just as he was gonna answer st notices that the book is gone which makes him off guard where bliz bites his neck which is where sts loses control and give him very excited consent while giving him intense dirty talk but lustful thoughts and such can happen while sa is taking place which can make them confuse and well let the abuse happen but sts body language can show that he wants it as I explained but st could have just killed him right there with one look not only that but in full moon you can see st gets up from the bed after saying no bliz doesn't force him but leaving the topic behind and just begging for the book thats all I think and just thought about if you want to add or disagree i dont mind.
The chat dono 10 minutes in saying "wrap it up" followed by another hour is so funny to me lol
Really appreciate this deep dive of the situation with the blitz and stolas and your takes on it. Was definitely able to get a larger view on the whole thing. I really like this type of stream as well, and I would love to see more of it.
I was watching this stream live, and the amount of people who genuinely believed that flirting with someone was an okay to get sexual regardless of any "no"'s was absolutely insane.
34:15 actually they did!! in an interview brandon rogers who voices blitzø and is a writer on the show said that before they made the show EVERYTHING had been planned out including moxxies backstory and the direction they wanna go to,, theyve got an exact ending and all the big things already planned out and now its mostly "and how do we properly meet those milestones" we can see this when moxxie wakes up from blitzø watching him "i WAS dreaming my family was being murdered by the mafia, but now id like to go back to that" already hinting at his mafia dad killing his mom
Omg i didn’t know this and i love this. This makes sense as to why they asked fans if they wanted season 2 to be more comedy or more drama focused
true!! its actually v impressive how they had an ending in mind before starting for every character and the way they are still sticking with it no matter what genre the show tries to be >>>
He didn't say anything about the mafia in that scene, you need to rewatch the episode.
@@FestorFreak oh oof i guess i misremembered that
Yeah Danny's right about the characters being in hell and how us seeing everything under "earth values" doesn't make much sense if we're trying to put everything on a scale to figure out who's the worse. And he's right about the change of direction in writing after s2 and the show kinda figuring itself out, I mean Stolas was thought to be an antagonist for the most part of s1 and then they started to change it once the fandom started to like him and ship Stolitz. Also I'm glad he watched the Sarcastic Chorus video, truly an amazing character analisys on their part.
This was a really good deep dive into things! I’m glad people are discussing both sides!
OMG I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!! It’s not just that I like helluva boss and analysis videos (bc I’m a nerd) but also they make me productive. I know these can be really hard for creators and editors to push out so thank you so much for this and all of your content!!!!
1:17:18 at this part of the debate about the first encounter with Blitz and Stolas about who has the power is complicated but the thing would be that Stolas HAS THE POWER in the situation BUT HE DOESN’T USE IT, so because of that Blitz has the power and control in the situation. Stolas could clearly call the guards again or use his powers, he’s in his territory so it’s an advantage for him, unlike Blitz who’s in stranger territory, but I think because of Blitz being his first ever friend and the bad experience he just had with humiliation, he’s scared he’ll be rude to Blitz accidentally by trying to protect himself and get rejected of it. So, in order to avoid rejection, try’s to be polite and ignore his uncomfortableness about certain actions Blitz does
Exactly, Blitz doesn't even manage to sneak in, he's caught and carried by bodyguards, and only on Stolas's orders are they let alone in the room. Blitz also mentions killing as his current job to answer his question of "are you still a clown?" like he is NOT trying to scare Stolas until he reads Stolas's teasing as flirtation.
@@ryuko4478 EXACTLY! How would he try to scare an powerful demon who is fifty times stronger than him, even after he got caught in his attempt to steal?
@@K1rx_________9 As we know Imps can kill Demon Royalty if they have the right weaponry (but they never have access to them unless they were hired by another royalty), so Blitz *can* threaten Stolas, he just wasn't in that context because he was obviously flirting.
NOW I think the way Blitz continued after that by pushing Stolas's boundaries even as he tried to back away is bad. I just don't think Blitz was threatening him.
Just because he doesn't use his power doesn't mean he doesn't have it in the situation come on now. 😂 ESPECIALLY to blitz who hasn't seen him in x amount of years and knows fuck all about him, Stolas is VERY MUCH still a threat to him. Stolas giving himself up to Blitz certainly lessons it but the threat is still VERY much there. Even when he leaves his domain via his possession of the grimoire (this ones on blitz tho).
@@PK-cg5ej in Blitz perspective it would be a threat, because he wouldn’t know about Stolas not wanting to use his power due to his fear of rejection, but other than that, in the situation itself, it’s Blitz who has more control, all because Stolas doesn’t want to use his power (it wouldn’t be the same if he decided to use it). Although it is a favor to Stolas the fear he can cause to Blitz because of his powerful self. I’m not saying Stolas is not a threat to Blitz because HE IS but I’m saying that Blitz has more control on the situation, especially because he sees later that Stolas isn’t planning to use his power against him. That’s probably why he also started teasing Stolas, he wouldn’t have done that if he was still a BIG threat to him, he saw the opportunity when Stolas backed off in uncomfortableness
37:25 Stolas is a rank below the sins. Even if Blitz didn't screw him the first time, he could've found Blitz in a matter of days AT MOST. I mean-
1) Stolas spied on Blitz from his bath in episode one, planning to call Blitz while he was fighting for his life to set his terms and conditions so he would agree to anything.
2) He summoned himself to the human world with dead bodies, in a show of rage, in the matter of HOURS that Blitz and Mox were kidnapped.
3) As soon as he heard Octavia was missing, he ripped a portal into the human world without his book and for some reason couldn't immediately find her, but I bet in hell it would be a lot easier to find out where Blitz lives and his business (before the deal, it was shown that Blitz had billboards advertising I.M.P in episode 1)
My only rebuttal to that would be assuming that Blitzo doesn't know what Stolas is capable of, especially without the book.
He was surprised to see Stolas summon himself, just like everyone else.
@@nihili4196 Idk, on one hand Blitz would def overlook what Stolas could do, on the other Goetia's have world's of power that Blitz was scared of as a child, but being that he is now a jaded 30 something year old, he prob was better at hiding it, masking it with confidence
Guess what Danny, the next Helluva Boss episode just drop 😙
he's seen it lol
I love episode 6 because it perfectly shows the power imbalance. Even if there isnt one in real life blitz placeing Stolas on this golden throne while he's chained to a leash shows that blitz BELIEVES there is. The worst part is that while its completely understandable that stolas was hurt and couldnt handle anymore so he shut down, he proved to that part of Blitz's brain that blitz IS disposable. That stolas can and will throw him away when he see's fit and blitz wont have a say in the matter. It could even lead to Blitz believing that he HAS to give Stolas exactly what he wants, how he wants it, when he wants it or else he could just kick him to the curb again. Now that he knows sex isn't enough anymore, even if they do get in a relationship he'll be terrified of losing him at the slightest disagreement.
25:51 funny they say that, what happened to Moxxie's mom is the reason Moxxie was so against k**ling the mother in the first place. He even says "Maybe if it was a shi**y dad, or mob family, (mobster voice) that's undah-standable"
On the note of Blitz's literacy topic, most of the main helluva boss characters have Instagram accounts that haven't been updated in years. All of blitz's posts are nigh incomprehensible messes as far as spelling goes.
3:50 currently 4 minutes into the video, not sure if I'll finish it, but I gotta say I wholeheartedly agree, I've felt very honored being a part of this debate on your channel. I don't think I saw any comments that said that only one was in the right, and I was still sure the poll was gonna be heavily favoring one character, so I was super happy to see that most people picked 'situation is too complicated'!
I'm also glad the characters were both pretty well written, I think vivziepop is another one of those creators that started with a comedy show but fell in love with the characters and decided to add some ✨️spice✨️. I always love that, it's one of the reasons why I loved brooklyn 99 so much.
Love that you're discussing this!
The Sarcastic Chorus video changed me. Not only from team Stolas to team Complicated, but as a person.
Dear Danny Motta(please dont skip over this),
Danny as someone who went till age 12 with a lisp until years of being forced to go to speech therapy and being mocked of it until i look in a mirror and practice my speaking i still have a small lisp i tend to be mocked for i love that you have a lisp and your voice gives me such smooth brain, otakus anonymous is my favorite thing ever because i get to hear you, i also love your videos so much and am excited for you to watch owl house. I'm genuinely so glad to be able to see you have other people acknowledge what a positive influence you are. I hope you continue to make this content and i am so glad that you can enjoy yourself. I have really bad anxiety and when i have anxiety attacks and panic attacks i watch your video to calm down. You have literally saved my life on multiple occasions, I dont think you know what a positive influence you've had. i have gone through some tough times mentally and i don't know if i would still be here today if it wasnt for you. I dont know/think that you will even see this but if i have a chance to tell you how great you are i am taking it. Thank you for being here and being such a supportive and i'm such a big fan. I wanted to know if there was any way other than comments and dm's to reach you because id love to ackowledge you and stuff and make some comments to you that disclose some more touchy thinghs in my life such as like sa past stuff and i'd like to tell you how much how you handle it makes me happy in more depth but dont wanna talk about that stuff in the comments? Anyways ive talked for too long and wanted you to know you make an impact and wanted to ask about that email thing. Have a great day and i hope you know i appreciate you and your content
Hey sorry but as someone who has also struggled with a lisp my whole life and spent all of elementary, middle, and high school in speech therapy it makes me happy to see someone else who can relate to it. I’m glad you find him comforting as do I and I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with bullying due to your lisp I used to experience that a lot but I found that with time it slows down and I hope it does for you. I hope you’re doing well.
Why is this so sweet we need to get Danny to see this
@@editsformysanity we definitely do this seems like a precious human being its so sweet ❤
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A huge part of the Solitz dynamic as well is that Stolas's life affords him time for introspection which allows him to come across as more thoughtful. Its a privilege of the rich and powerful. Blitzø is always in survival mode, he has done very little to process any of his trauma. Granted i wouldn't doubt Blitzø picked a high octane lifestyle to keep himself occupied and unable to process
Hearing you talk about your lisp surprised me, i genuinely didn't notice you had a lisp. And ive whatched so many of your videos
I’m glad that you made this video.
As someone who adores both Blitz and Stolas, but also really enjoys your content and opinions, I had been finding it quite distressing for one of my favourite characters to be so consistently insulted. Even though I don’t necessarily agree with all of your points, I really appreciate the nuanced discussion, and think I understand your perspective better now.
I also greatly appreciated your discussion on SA, and firm stance that anyone can be SAed, I agree 100%.
1:04:13 Would absolutely love seeing you react to Dungeon Meshi, it's my favourite things right now - if you find it hype halfway through just know it gets better 👏👏
It’s funny how you talked about the morals of Helluva Boss that no one knows about. It also feels like the characters also don’t know if or how to keep a moral code. All they know is when shit gets real then it’s real. I think that’s why Stoliz’s trauma is more in the limelight as fucked because the characters are really feeling a lot of emotions and stress, whereas in other situations it’s kind of “whelp we’re in hell what were we expecting?”
Waking up to this in the morning is wild.
100% agreeing with Danny, the morals are so not clear in the show. I felt the absolutely same about the whole Stolitz thing before watching analysis about it to get a better understanding of Blitzø.