Just throwing this information out there: Researchers found a low-frequency hum of a cat purring at 25-50 Hertz could stimulate muscles and even promote bone healing.
Some of the great female jazz singers were amazing at low notes. Would recommend: Sarah Vaughan, ‘My Funny Valentine’(live); Carmen McRae, ‘The Man I Love’ (Can’t Hide Love); Carmen Lundy, ‘Dindi’.
Thank you for explaining it like this. I have been hitting lower notes than I have ever done before. I spent a time learning to do metal growls and learned how to control my false folds. I employ them to hit these low notes….now I know why it works. A+ Elizabeth.
Just an fyi, that while the subharmonics you describe exist, only jonathan young and beatboxer uses them (that i know of, but not geoff) Geoff uses pure true fold subharmonics (as far as we know)
the subharmonics you hear Geoff sing are absolutely made with the ventricular vocal folds. he is activating his ventricular folds using an open vocal fry so they’ll resonate with the fundamental tone he’s singing and produce a sound one octave lower. i sing with sub-harmonics too, its just pretty uncommon for someone to use their false folds to sing lower than the fundamental
Take a sub harmonic from Geoff, use Spectroid as Liz does, just look at the relevant frequencies, and you'll see that there's nothing vibrating at half frequency. It's just composite tone that sounds like it's an octave lower. While Liz is quite accurate with most she is saying, here she is simply wrong.
Actually, you are. The ‘crackle voice’ early am is your throat being so relaxed that that the false folds vibrate. As you wake up more your musculature tightens, and the tone of the false folds firms to ‘day awake mode’ so they no longer vibrate
I can make bass as low as 30hz with my throat. I used to do it in highschool class to mess with my teachers. They would always stop the class to look around for someone playing loud music, to try to justify the bass in the room. Another time, I was at church on saturday with the worship team while they practiced. Even with all the speakers going in the sanctuary, they could hear the bass from me humming clearly. Never had any professional training, but I bet with a little practice I could hit some solid low notes.
For clarification, I'm a sound nerd and use a frequency generator daily. I have used it in the past to match the bass note from my throat, it's at or near 30hz, but it's JUST bass.. not vocals
There's no way to prove this without sticking a microscope into his mouth, but his false vocal folds do NOT vibrate at an octave down from the real vocal folds. Something actually has to vibrate a fifth ABOVE something else. It's quite a mathy explanation as to how this works. So... get ready. The way we produce pitch is to vibrate two things against each other (in the simplest terms). In normal singing, those two things vibrate at the same frequency, so that each vibration of the two sides makes contact, and a consistent frequency is created. What vocal subharmonics is doing is desyncing the two sides, by having the one side vibrate against the other side vibrating at 1.5x the rate. (1.5x the frequency is always a fifth above in pitch; frequency vs pitch is annoying to calculate) To make the math easier, let's imagine a bass monster alien that sings at 1hz. In order for the alien to perform a vocal subharmonic, they'd additionally start vibrating the other side at 1.5hz. If one side vibrates at 1hz, and the other at 1.5hz, then the resulting pitch is 0.5hz. 1hz equates to one vibration per second (or two vibrations per two seconds). 1.5hz equates to three vibrations per two seconds. These two frequencies, when put together, only collide once every two seconds, which is 0.5hz. Half of the 1hz vibrations don't connect with the other side, and two thirds of the 1.5hz side vibrations don't connect. There are actually an infinite number of subharmonic ranges that go down theoretically infinitely. To get the first subharmonic, you need 1.5x, which creates the 0.5x frequency, or an octave down. The second subharmonic goes down another fifth, and the third subharmonic goes down another fourth, for a total of exactly two octaves. Watch David Larson's videos for more information.
Edit: everything written below is BS. I am the one, who accidentally gave missinformation here. Not deleting this comment only for this discusion having enough context, if anyone ends up reading it. Sorry for the misinfo which follows below... Subharmonics can be produced in that way, but not by a human being, because false vocal chords and true vocal chords are not two different things. In fact, false vocal folds are just the musculus membrane of the "true vocal folds". So, they are not two separate sets of vocal folds and they cant vibrate on different frequencies. The way subharmonics are produced is not singing two separate notes with your vocal folds, one per fold. It is by adding "creaky voice" to a steady note (which is produced normally, by both of your true vocal folds) This is why head voice subs and fry subs are possible.
@@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799 I doubt it's missinformation. David Larson for example can very clearly demonstrate 1st, 2nd, and 3rd subharmonic registers, which equate to an octave, an octave plus a fifth, and two octaves down. It wouldn't make sense that he specifically hits those notes in those intervals by executing slightly more precise techniques on top of a single fundamental sung note, unless this is how he does it. I highly recommend you watch his videos, although his FIRST tutorial video, from before he knew how he was doing it, does contain some missinformation. th-cam.com/video/7PddsnKsUEg/w-d-xo.html - 2nd Sub example I'll edit my original comment just in case, though.
@@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799 What you just said shows a lack of understanding of the anatomy of the larynx i encourage you to watch this video from CVI in the particular timestamp i'll left attached. (btw if you keep watching past the first endoscopy you get another one in slow motion where you can appreciate the effect with more clarity). th-cam.com/video/vvIEpmgC4SU/w-d-xo.html as you can observe, the distortion generated can be seen take place when the false vocal folds engage. they are indeed a separate agent of the larynx, they are not part of the vocal folds.
Wow, in my youth I used to be in the autosound competitions, in particular the SQ (Sound Quality) section where ye not only get loud and low, but yer also must stay clean too. I used to collect sound clips that is used for testing my sound system, like The Whisper's "Rock Steady" which has a loud and staccato beat that can stress test a sub's ability to play that cleanly. This guy's voice would be perfect for lower vocal reproduction tests on 12" drivers!
Btw everybody Eliz probably knows this, but that is how the Tibetan Monk’s chanting vocal sound is produced. Octave undertones. I happen to have started developing this sound about a month ago after hearing some amazing trippy chanting In the Tibetan style, the Low overtone actually becomes louder, more resonant, and completely overtakes the original note. It sounds the voice on magic mushrooms or something. Wild & haunting! It takes some practice but the result is massive epic otherworldly sound.
Have you ever considered analyzing J.D. Sumner?? He was a backup singer for Elvis, and also performed with The Stamps, and other gospel quartets. He had held a guineas world record for the lowest vocal note ever recorded. I think you would enjoy a dive into his work. Please and thank you ma'am
He had low notes, but they were from smoking. He also could not sing without effort in anything below A1. And it was quiet as hell. Check out russian oktavists if you want true first and 0th octave notes
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The difference frequency between two higher frequencies can make a lower frequency. Eg. 100 Hz, 140 Hz gives 40Hz. Can do this with electronic frequency generators. Not sure if it’s what’s happening here, or if it’s possible with voice.
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Hello! Im a "self taught" in a way, but it's more of just spending time experimenting with my voice and doing trial and error by feel. I wondered why sometimes some really low notes sounded like there was a lot going on. I guess i can do this? Lol, although i can go pretty low, I haven't worked too much on my lower registry.
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Go see Geoff Castilchi (not sure on the spelling but you get who he is) on his newest release and do a 1st time reaction. i watched your 16 tons reaction and thought you might enjoy his newest one as well!
I have a question. My normal lowest note is D2, but when I'm sick I can slide down continuously sometimes to a D1. It feels like chest voice. My question is, is it all some sort of growl because I'm sick and no "chest" voice at all?
Innacurate- this is how false folds subs occur. Think Jonathan Young's subs The subs he does involve only the true folds. Each side vibrates at a different rate (a 2:3 polyrhythm), which causes them to collide only every other oscillation of the "main" note, thus resulting in the octave
If you love Geoff you MUST listen to the Bobby Bass and the bass singers of Tim Tom sing Hoist the Colors! The bass harmonies will blow your mind with bass! Solo by Eric the bass voice of God!
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Nothing against you at all I like ,but I hope that you can take some constructive criticism. When you were doing Heart crazy on you as soon as you started the video back on you instantly turn it right back off over and over and over again you did it on Led zeppelin also and i've only watched two of your videos so far
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This is incorrect. This is true for FALSE FOLD subharmonics. However for true fold subs, it's actually half fry and half chest voice/ headvoice. One fold fries and the other fold vibrates normally. This creates a 2/3 ratio, creating a subharmonic.
Actually, the so-called "true" subharmonic register doesn't involve the false folds at all! It's the same principle as any other way that subharmonics are created in nature, being that when two frequencies are exactly a fifth apart, they create this "undertone" (which is why when we hear perfect fifths they sound thicker). This undertone is the note that we produce when we're talking about vocal subharmonics. What we're doing (although there's a bit of debate, but this is the general conclusion so far) is vibrating our vocal folds at different speeds (specifically, a 2:3 ratio; take, for instance, an E2 and a B2) which then creates that lower note (in this case, an E1). The false folds aren't involved in this process, although it's easy to get slightly misled. False fold subharmonics are actually a lot more common than your "true" subharmonics, it's just another term for throat singing, which sounds a lot harsher and, inherently, a bit louder. It's used a lot in beatboxing, known as "throat bass"! Of course, this isn't just a single note occurrence. The subharmonic series is the exact same sequence of intervals as the overtone series, but mirrored down. Which means that by changing the ratio at which our vocal folds vibrate, we can slip into lower "levels" in this series, which takes a lot of control. In fact, beatboxers use this very often, known as "vibration bass", which is the SECOND subharmonic involving the false folds, meaning it's an octave and a fifth below the fundamental note being sung.
Unfortunately this is incorrect. You wouldn't be able to see the fundamental note decrease which is clearly shown on the spectrum. What you're describing is the missing fundamental psycho acoustic effect. What's probably happening is that you only partially adduct the vocal folds every other time, still phonating at 100 hz a cycle, but half the frequency being produced as a much stronger tone. We're ofc still not hearing the fundamental much at all in that rang due to our ears just not being particularly sensitive to low frequency sound, but rather the overtones to the sound. That is, it makes very little difference sound wise wheter we're talking about a true subharmonic interval, vs a actual pitch decrease which we can see in subharmonic singing
@@sum41foreverownvocal fry is air bubbles passing through the vocal folds. When we sync the bubbles with the true pitch every other flap they prevent the flaps from happening creating a note an octave down
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No, its the vocal folds vibrating at a 2/3 rate, resulting in them only hitting once per cycle, resulting in a note both perfect fifth above and octave below
No, that's not what's happening, the false vocal folds don't engage here, if they did we'd hear a thick loud rumbling. The subharmonic register is the result of one vocal fold vibrating at a perfect fifth from the other, which our brains perceive as a tone an octave lower.
@@masterleon40 Are you able to send me the research? Because i never found any of it except for the research Johan Sundberg did together with a few other people. He was the one who told me about it and showed me the research that he did.
Sorry, but You are DEAD WRONG about this. Geoff switches to the fundamental an octave lower (which you describe as a "subharmonic") and the "rumble" is vocal fry at true vocal folds also. There is no supraglottal activity at all here and the sound has NOTHING to do with the false folds. False folds do not oscillate with periodicity! And a subharmonic is not "lower" than a fundamental. The confidence in which you deliver these lies is truly baffling.
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You know I always thought I didn't know what subharmonics were, but then I just tried to match Geoff's tone, and it was clear I had somehow learned them without noticing.
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This is why I pop in every so often to shame you into doing an episode on Warrell Dane. Not gonna take away from this guy, but Warrell Dane he is not. 6+ octave range, starting much lower than Geoff Tate and this guy. Most guys will blow out their throat trying to hit The notes you'll find on Warrell Dane's first solo album, Praises To the Way Machine. The man's dead, give him some justice!
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Actually not really impressive when you’re a male who can sing. It’s actually quite easy to hit but the difficulty is to actually be consistent all the way through which he really isn’t. He’s being inconsistent and wobbly
![Bass singers subharmonic compilation [Bb1-B0]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-XTQJbKdfyY/mqdefault.jpg)
Don't miss his performance of "Way Down" if you want some sheer low goodness!
Or when he sings TRUST IN ME...OMGoodness...that song has been on repeat for me since yesterday. ❤
Just throwing this information out there: Researchers found a low-frequency hum of a cat purring at 25-50 Hertz could stimulate muscles and even promote bone healing.
So, Geoff's voice is scientifically proven to be healing.
@@rhov-anionthat's also what I took away from this 😂
Clarification: it stimulates the nervous system which then theoretically stimulates muscles.
Geoff's voice could solve world peace if he sang at the UN. Everyone would be so intimidated they would forget what they were fighting about
Now I wanna know what Eric Holloway’s voice looks like
THAT would be amazing!!!!
Lol he has tons of examples, just download a sample and throw it into the spectrum analyzer, it's not like we're building a rocket ship.
Some of the great female jazz singers were amazing at low notes. Would recommend: Sarah Vaughan, ‘My Funny Valentine’(live); Carmen McRae, ‘The Man I Love’ (Can’t Hide Love); Carmen Lundy, ‘Dindi’.
These explanations are excellent. I have no idea what you are talking about, but still awesome.
Thank you for explaining it like this. I have been hitting lower notes than I have ever done before. I spent a time learning to do metal growls and learned how to control my false folds. I employ them to hit these low notes….now I know why it works.
A+ Elizabeth.
Just an fyi, that while the subharmonics you describe exist, only jonathan young and beatboxer uses them (that i know of, but not geoff)
Geoff uses pure true fold subharmonics (as far as we know)
Exactly - no false folds here
the subharmonics you hear Geoff sing are absolutely made with the ventricular vocal folds. he is activating his ventricular folds using an open vocal fry so they’ll resonate with the fundamental tone he’s singing and produce a sound one octave lower. i sing with sub-harmonics too, its just pretty uncommon for someone to use their false folds to sing lower than the fundamental
Take a sub harmonic from Geoff, use Spectroid as Liz does, just look at the relevant frequencies, and you'll see that there's nothing vibrating at half frequency. It's just composite tone that sounds like it's an octave lower. While Liz is quite accurate with most she is saying, here she is simply wrong.
Man I must be talking in subharmonics when I’m waking up in the morning
Actually, you are. The ‘crackle voice’ early am is your throat being so relaxed that that the false folds vibrate. As you wake up more your musculature tightens, and the tone of the false folds firms to ‘day awake mode’ so they no longer vibrate
This is high level nerdage. It’s so AWESOME!!
I can make bass as low as 30hz with my throat. I used to do it in highschool class to mess with my teachers. They would always stop the class to look around for someone playing loud music, to try to justify the bass in the room. Another time, I was at church on saturday with the worship team while they practiced. Even with all the speakers going in the sanctuary, they could hear the bass from me humming clearly. Never had any professional training, but I bet with a little practice I could hit some solid low notes.
For clarification, I'm a sound nerd and use a frequency generator daily. I have used it in the past to match the bass note from my throat, it's at or near 30hz, but it's JUST bass.. not vocals
B0 ish, nice! There is a video of Geoff doing that as a subharmonic, might be interesting to analyse if you haven't already.
This guy won me over with his voice
There's no way to prove this without sticking a microscope into his mouth, but his false vocal folds do NOT vibrate at an octave down from the real vocal folds. Something actually has to vibrate a fifth ABOVE something else. It's quite a mathy explanation as to how this works. So... get ready.
The way we produce pitch is to vibrate two things against each other (in the simplest terms). In normal singing, those two things vibrate at the same frequency, so that each vibration of the two sides makes contact, and a consistent frequency is created. What vocal subharmonics is doing is desyncing the two sides, by having the one side vibrate against the other side vibrating at 1.5x the rate. (1.5x the frequency is always a fifth above in pitch; frequency vs pitch is annoying to calculate)
To make the math easier, let's imagine a bass monster alien that sings at 1hz. In order for the alien to perform a vocal subharmonic, they'd additionally start vibrating the other side at 1.5hz. If one side vibrates at 1hz, and the other at 1.5hz, then the resulting pitch is 0.5hz.
1hz equates to one vibration per second (or two vibrations per two seconds). 1.5hz equates to three vibrations per two seconds. These two frequencies, when put together, only collide once every two seconds, which is 0.5hz. Half of the 1hz vibrations don't connect with the other side, and two thirds of the 1.5hz side vibrations don't connect.
There are actually an infinite number of subharmonic ranges that go down theoretically infinitely. To get the first subharmonic, you need 1.5x, which creates the 0.5x frequency, or an octave down. The second subharmonic goes down another fifth, and the third subharmonic goes down another fourth, for a total of exactly two octaves. Watch David Larson's videos for more information.
the false vocal folds are not involved in this.
Edit: everything written below is BS. I am the one, who accidentally gave missinformation here. Not deleting this comment only for this discusion having enough context, if anyone ends up reading it. Sorry for the misinfo which follows below...
Subharmonics can be produced in that way, but not by a human being, because false vocal chords and true vocal chords are not two different things. In fact, false vocal folds are just the musculus membrane of the "true vocal folds". So, they are not two separate sets of vocal folds and they cant vibrate on different frequencies. The way subharmonics are produced is not singing two separate notes with your vocal folds, one per fold. It is by adding "creaky voice" to a steady note (which is produced normally, by both of your true vocal folds) This is why head voice subs and fry subs are possible.
@@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799 I doubt it's missinformation. David Larson for example can very clearly demonstrate 1st, 2nd, and 3rd subharmonic registers, which equate to an octave, an octave plus a fifth, and two octaves down. It wouldn't make sense that he specifically hits those notes in those intervals by executing slightly more precise techniques on top of a single fundamental sung note, unless this is how he does it. I highly recommend you watch his videos, although his FIRST tutorial video, from before he knew how he was doing it, does contain some missinformation.
th-cam.com/video/7PddsnKsUEg/w-d-xo.html - 2nd Sub example
I'll edit my original comment just in case, though.
@@Moqlnkn thx. I know David Larson.
@@dmytrotsvyntarnyi799 What you just said shows a lack of understanding of the anatomy of the larynx
i encourage you to watch this video from CVI in the particular timestamp i'll left attached. (btw if you keep watching past the first endoscopy you get another one in slow motion where you can appreciate the effect with more clarity).
th-cam.com/video/vvIEpmgC4SU/w-d-xo.html
as you can observe, the distortion generated can be seen take place when the false vocal folds engage. they are indeed a separate agent of the larynx, they are not part of the vocal folds.
Wow, in my youth I used to be in the autosound competitions, in particular the SQ (Sound Quality) section where ye not only get loud and low, but yer also must stay clean too. I used to collect sound clips that is used for testing my sound system, like The Whisper's "Rock Steady" which has a loud and staccato beat that can stress test a sub's ability to play that cleanly. This guy's voice would be perfect for lower vocal reproduction tests on 12" drivers!
Btw everybody Eliz probably knows this, but that is how the Tibetan Monk’s chanting vocal sound is produced. Octave undertones.
I happen to have started developing this sound about a month ago after hearing some amazing trippy chanting
In the Tibetan style, the Low overtone actually becomes louder, more resonant, and completely overtakes the original note. It sounds the voice on magic mushrooms or something. Wild & haunting!
It takes some practice but the result is massive epic otherworldly sound.
Have you ever considered analyzing J.D. Sumner?? He was a backup singer for Elvis, and also performed with The Stamps, and other gospel quartets. He had held a guineas world record for the lowest vocal note ever recorded. I think you would enjoy a dive into his work. Please and thank you ma'am
He had low notes, but they were from smoking. He also could not sing without effort in anything below A1. And it was quiet as hell. Check out russian oktavists if you want true first and 0th octave notes
Makes Barry White sound soprano
Can of have you done analysis of Sebastian Bach either solo By Your Side or Skid Row 18 and Life
I think 18 and life would be a good one if she is going to look at skid row and Seb Bach
I love that you seem to use similar software to analyze voices that Jive Turkey uses to identify submarine active sonar
I was thinking the same thing 😂 I wonder if Aaron can sing.......
You GOTTA do his Carol of the Bells NOW!!!!!! OMG, the arrangements; vocals (wow enough), instrumentation AND video!!! GO!!!
Wow that was enlightening. Thanks a lot. Now i'd like to know what chest fry means ...
Adding to some of the list of beatboxers that you should react too. Are D-low, Mb14, Gene is also really good.
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The difference frequency between two higher frequencies can make a lower frequency.
Eg. 100 Hz, 140 Hz gives 40Hz. Can do this with electronic frequency generators. Not sure if it’s what’s happening here, or if it’s possible with voice.
Check out John Fulbright’s rendition of hallelujah! You won’t regret it!
Man… I love you so much ❤️
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Hello! Im a "self taught" in a way, but it's more of just spending time experimenting with my voice and doing trial and error by feel. I wondered why sometimes some really low notes sounded like there was a lot going on. I guess i can do this? Lol, although i can go pretty low, I haven't worked too much on my lower registry.
The “true and false vocal folds simultaneously” is not the technique Geoff uses. That is a type of subharmonic, but it’s distinct.
Similar is Paul Robeson and William Warfield singing Old Man River in there respective movies of Showboat.
AND THIS IS THE REAL ANALYSIS OF A BASS TONE.
GREAT ELIZABETH!!!!
I would love to hear Geoff cover Boondocks
Check out Geoff's version of Ghost Riders in the Sky. It's awesome. His best video yet.
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Yea! Elizabeth shorts!
How about Tim Foust's ? Can you check on his low range too?
TIM FOUST IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS GUY. TIM IS #1
@@sherry941 I agree 110% !! TIM FOUST is a BEAST ! ♥
Tim just uses false fold growls. It's a different technqiue.
You should try this with Richard Sterban's voice. He's the bass singer from the Oak Ridge Boys.
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Just to learn how sub harmonics work like this and to actually see it makes my scientific brain very happy.
I just seen a vid of him covering a couple Nightmare Before Christmas songs. I was like holy siht, I think I just re entered puberty.😂
It pops up in my stuff I usually follow everything gorgeous
Awesome, mind-blowin stuff, Ma'am. To my little brain leastways.
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We need him to cover Mister Grinch.
He and Voiceplay ft Adriana Arellano did do one.
So cooly explained by the best analyser
J. D. Sumner was the grand daddy of all bass singers. Check out Elvis “How Great Thou Art “ live 1972 @ Hampton Rhoads
I love him too. But I hate him too, kinda jealous.
Go see Geoff Castilchi (not sure on the spelling but you get who he is) on his newest release and do a 1st time reaction.
i watched your 16 tons reaction and thought you might enjoy his newest one as
well!
Hi, it's Castellucci. 🙂
More Rock and Blues
Linda RONSTADT Please
I have a question. My normal lowest note is D2, but when I'm sick I can slide down continuously sometimes to a D1. It feels like chest voice. My question is, is it all some sort of growl because I'm sick and no "chest" voice at all?
What happens if your vocal cords oscillate at 2 times per second?
Innacurate- this is how false folds subs occur. Think Jonathan Young's subs
The subs he does involve only the true folds. Each side vibrates at a different rate (a 2:3 polyrhythm), which causes them to collide only every other oscillation of the "main" note, thus resulting in the octave
This is false too
If you love Geoff you MUST listen to the Bobby Bass and the bass singers of Tim Tom sing Hoist the Colors! The bass harmonies will blow your mind with bass! Solo by Eric the bass voice of God!
Is this a full vid anywhere?
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Eric holloway
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How does he do chest bass ive been trying to figure that out for fucking ages i eanna do it too
It's all in the right hand
So, like a lot of lower end audio compression algorithms won’t even sample 46Hz. That’s sick
Check out Eric Holloway hoist the colours Eric goes lower than an ants belly
Dude could communicate with whales
perfect.
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How do I do this.
I don't know if the false chords are really involved in subharmonics
Awesome
Nothing against you at all I like ,but I hope that you can take some constructive criticism.
When you were doing Heart crazy on you as soon as you started the video back on you instantly turn it right back off over and over and over again you did it on Led zeppelin also and i've only watched two of your videos so far
One for the sub woofer
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You need to listen to "Elvira" from the Oak Ridge Boys
This is incorrect. This is true for FALSE FOLD subharmonics. However for true fold subs, it's actually half fry and half chest voice/ headvoice. One fold fries and the other fold vibrates normally. This creates a 2/3 ratio, creating a subharmonic.
Both her and your statement are wrong
What boggles my mind is when he reaches a B0.
Actually, the so-called "true" subharmonic register doesn't involve the false folds at all! It's the same principle as any other way that subharmonics are created in nature, being that when two frequencies are exactly a fifth apart, they create this "undertone" (which is why when we hear perfect fifths they sound thicker). This undertone is the note that we produce when we're talking about vocal subharmonics.
What we're doing (although there's a bit of debate, but this is the general conclusion so far) is vibrating our vocal folds at different speeds (specifically, a 2:3 ratio; take, for instance, an E2 and a B2) which then creates that lower note (in this case, an E1). The false folds aren't involved in this process, although it's easy to get slightly misled.
False fold subharmonics are actually a lot more common than your "true" subharmonics, it's just another term for throat singing, which sounds a lot harsher and, inherently, a bit louder. It's used a lot in beatboxing, known as "throat bass"!
Of course, this isn't just a single note occurrence. The subharmonic series is the exact same sequence of intervals as the overtone series, but mirrored down. Which means that by changing the ratio at which our vocal folds vibrate, we can slip into lower "levels" in this series, which takes a lot of control. In fact, beatboxers use this very often, known as "vibration bass", which is the SECOND subharmonic involving the false folds, meaning it's an octave and a fifth below the fundamental note being sung.
Unfortunately this is incorrect. You wouldn't be able to see the fundamental note decrease which is clearly shown on the spectrum. What you're describing is the missing fundamental psycho acoustic effect. What's probably happening is that you only partially adduct the vocal folds every other time, still phonating at 100 hz a cycle, but half the frequency being produced as a much stronger tone. We're ofc still not hearing the fundamental much at all in that rang due to our ears just not being particularly sensitive to low frequency sound, but rather the overtones to the sound. That is, it makes very little difference sound wise wheter we're talking about a true subharmonic interval, vs a actual pitch decrease which we can see in subharmonic singing
@@sum41foreverownthere is a very distinct sound to subharmonics that is easily separable from chest voice
@@sum41foreverownvocal fry is air bubbles passing through the vocal folds. When we sync the bubbles with the true pitch every other flap they prevent the flaps from happening creating a note an octave down
Geoff has to be my #2 since ive started watching Tomi P sorry geoff :(
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That's vocal fry, right?
No, its the vocal folds vibrating at a 2/3 rate, resulting in them only hitting once per cycle, resulting in a note both perfect fifth above and octave below
No, that's not what's happening, the false vocal folds don't engage here, if they did we'd hear a thick loud rumbling. The subharmonic register is the result of one vocal fold vibrating at a perfect fifth from the other, which our brains perceive as a tone an octave lower.
Sorry but you are incorrect as well
@@DanielcalLundberg empirical evidence, meaning laryngoscopies, and the science of harmonics, all agree with me.
@@masterleon40 Are you able to send me the research? Because i never found any of it except for the research Johan Sundberg did together with a few other people. He was the one who told me about it and showed me the research that he did.
The false vocal folds do not engage with regular subharmonics, only the true vocal folds.
Great analysis though, very accurate otherwise :)
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Sorry, but You are DEAD WRONG about this. Geoff switches to the fundamental an octave lower (which you describe as a "subharmonic") and the "rumble" is vocal fry at true vocal folds also. There is no supraglottal activity at all here and the sound has NOTHING to do with the false
folds. False folds do not oscillate with periodicity! And a subharmonic is not "lower" than a fundamental. The confidence in which you deliver these lies is truly baffling.
You should react to KORN Jonathan Davis has a phenomenal voice :))
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So you know.
You know I always thought I didn't know what subharmonics were, but then I just tried to match Geoff's tone, and it was clear I had somehow learned them without noticing.
I can do this if not lower but my throat hurts afterwards
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As a music-lover, scientist and healthy male, Elizabeth just does it for me!
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Not true, there are some really low oktavists that can PROJECT 0th octave notes
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This is why I pop in every so often to shame you into doing an episode on Warrell Dane. Not gonna take away from this guy, but Warrell Dane he is not. 6+ octave range, starting much lower than Geoff Tate and this guy. Most guys will blow out their throat trying to hit The notes you'll find on Warrell Dane's first solo album, Praises To the Way Machine. The man's dead, give him some justice!
Everybody has 6 octaves when counting range wanking in.
Im 12 and i can almost perfectly do that
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46Hz is the resonance frequency for many a woman’s folds.
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Actually not really impressive when you’re a male who can sing. It’s actually quite easy to hit but the difficulty is to actually be consistent all the way through which he really isn’t. He’s being inconsistent and wobbly
Sounds bad..