THE BAIN FAMILY MURDERS PART 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2023
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David killed everyone, left to do his paper route, Robin came inside and discovered the entire family murdered, he tracked blood through the house and got blood on his clothes (not a lot, and I know he wasn’t wearing socks according to police but he could have taken them off once he realized he was tracking blood, he was probably horrified) then confronted David (when he realized david was home) and David shot him. David probably found out a lot about his family, he was probably disgusted by the relationship between his sister and father and that could have been motivation. Everyone else was either collateral damage or he viewed them as enablers. He has a big enough ego (based on testimony) to think he was above the rest of his family. Which is why he left the “suicide” note saying he deserved to live. He believes he really does.
Great theory!
Completely agree with you. He probably thought he was the only "saint" in his family.
this seems the most likely
This seems the most likely to me. I am sure it was David.
No if you find your family dead you dont stop to think about blood on your socks and take the time to take them off. david could have taken them off his dead body in a effort to clean the scene
while watching the 1st part i was thinking robin's wife is crazy or smthng but if he was molesting their daughter, her calling him devil would be soo accurate...she might not have known about the molestation but had some sort of gut feeling about him being evil
that’s such a good point! i still think she was crazy but maybe she had a feeling he wasn’t safe for her children. the only thing is that she did call everybody in the family evil or possessed with David being the most innocent so idk what that means
Well if you think about it, if they all had a gut feeling what was going on, the mother said the father was most evil and daughter second right? And possibly the children who knew but still sided with their father were considered somewhat evil. Remember she did take the whole family to see a psychologist early on... and maybe David was "least evil" because he didn't side with his father or think it was ok. Obviously i still think she was mentally ill.. and probably David knew that too.
@@BJM1134she might have been more jealous of her daughter than upset on her behalf, yk? David and Robin would fight for control and title of “man of the house”. What if the same thing happened between Margret and Lennia? It’s not uncommon for mothers to feel like they’re competing with their daughters, unfortunately.
Honestly I think David did it. The way he was always smiling after the whole thing. Even if he was happy that he got out of jail, he still seen his whole family murdered. I’d be extremely depressed my whole life.
He got out like 13 years after the murders
To be fair it was 13 years later so it wasn't fresh, and he had just gotten released from jail. Even people with severe trauma smile sometimes. But I still think he did it regardless
emotions don't depict guilty or innocent there is lots of psychology behind why u cannot make assumptions based on someone appearing happy or distressed etc it just isn't a controllable variable to measure
@@EienOfDarkwell tbh 13 years is nothing for what a mass killer/psychopath deserves for such horrid crime. It was he’s own family for God’s sake
@@kirti_chopra4exactly! That seems very little to me he murdered 5 people including children
I’m not buying that David could “accidentally” put blood SOAKED socks and clothes into the wash. They would have been completely saturated w blood…
i think that you would even smell the blood if the clothes/socks were really soaked
totally! and if it had just happened that morning the blood soaked clothes would be right at the top so surely it would have been super obvious
@@bellafioriunless robin put the bloody soaks hidden in the clothes basket 🤷♂️
I kept thinking why would he do laundry so early, immediately after finishing his route? Maybe they would be sweaty or something but I wonder if this was a normal thing he did often or just today because it was covered in the blood of his family!
@@bellafioriand why would the father removed the socks and care to put it on the laundry’s basket when he literally just killed his whole family.
I’m sorry but I still think David did it. The main things for me are:
1. Robin having no gun powder on his hands,
2. there being no fingerprints on the gun (if Robin did it his fingerprints should have been on it)
3. if Robin wanted to kill his family why leave one alive? (Yes, you could argue he wanted to set his son up for it but it just doesn’t sit right with me)
4. Why would he shoot himself with his non-dominant hand???
5. I just think it would be very very hard to shoot yourself the way the defence are saying. Again, there would have been his fingerprints all over the gun from him handling it in a way that he could shoot himself
There are even more points imo that at least prove that Robin didn’t do it. Of course you could also argue for another killer other than David but that is highly unlikely I think. 🤷🏼♀️
And the allegations about Robin unfortunately cannot be proven or disproven so I’m not defending Robin in the sense that he was a good person, I don’t know if he was or wasn’t. I just think he wasn’t the killer
Yeah the no finger prints on the gun and the size of the rifle makes it’s super hard to believe it was a suicide. I think David had a lot of motive to kill and frame his father given their relationship, and the sexual abuse of his sister. Plus typing the suicide note so hand writing couldn’t be compared
but what if David only killed Robin after Robin killed the family? that explains a lot of your questions
@@rachhhnicole it’s possible, but why wouldn’t he just come out and admit to killing him? Being convicted of one murder is better than being convicted of five 🤔 he could have gotten a plea deal.
@@Chloemegan you’re exactly right- he’d have no reason to risk it and feign ignorance- especially with the mitigating circumstances of Robin allegedly killing everyone else and his history of abusing Lennia. if anything, he’d probably get charged with manslaughter since he had no premeditation & jury members would sympathize with him.
If Robin killed the family- he 100% framed David for the murder. Used his gun, left the glove etc. That would mean he wanted to see David go to prison for it, and hopefully, Robin would go free as it would have to be premeditated to frame someone else.
If David came out and said he shot Robin because he came home and discovered that he had killed everyone, given all of the evidence Robin would have plotted against him, there’s a VERY good chance prosecution would call BS and say “David killed everyone but is just saying he killed Robin to lessen his sentence and gain sympathy.” And the jury could very likely buy that. Admitting to that could totally backfire on him. If I were him, in that situation, I would not say a word. Given all of the other things which were bungled in the investigation and the lazer focus the police had on making David the killer, the odds are admitting to killing one would mean that the jury would see him as someone capable of killing, and capable of killing everyone.
Part 2 next day just like you promised. You never let us down Bella.
Ditto can't wait to watch it. Here we goooooo yeessss!!!!. I knew it was him. 2 can keep a secret if one is dead!!!! Same difference just more. One survivor who else. I haven't seen it yet, so I'm probably wrong 😅😅. Can't wait. laterz you're great for new stories I've never heard of. The best. Lubs and Cuddles Jac xxx 😁😁🥰😍😘😘🤗🤗💙💙💙💙
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I find it interesting how no one suspects *Margaret* to be involved in the murders or at least motivating David to execute it. After all, she did call Robin the devil, tried to do exorcism on him and get him out of the house. Murdering seems like a way to get rid of him forever. I could imagine that she thought the other kids' souls were lost to the devil too or whatever since they were on Robin's side and so in her delusion she felt like she had to get rid of them also. Everyone except David. She favored David, they were a team, which means in her eyes he could've been the only who deserves to live. Perhaps it was her who wrote the message on the computer before lying down in bed and asking David to kill her too but make it look like it was Robin. All I'm saying is that she sketchy af and I don't think the police looked closely enough into this case for me to fully trust them.
Interesting thoughts! However if she was in on it, knowing that she held David in high esteem, surely she would have done something to make sure he wouldn’t then be blamed for the murders? Like even taking responsibility herself to save him? Who knows but she was definitely crazy!
I’m surprised no one has suggested it could have been the mother. That was my first instinct with the note left behind. “You’re the only one that deserves to stay.” David was her favorite. She clearly had mental health problems, what with believing all of her family members had demons inside of them. Maybe she found out about her husband and her daughter’s relationship and lost it.
i thought so too at first, but the gun was too far from where her body was found for that to be possible
I had that same thought. I wonder why they never looked into the mom because she could have done this too. She definitely had the motive.
I feel like David could’ve written that about himself considering his big ego
I considered this theory but it wouldn’t make sense because Margaret was found dead in her bedroom and the gun was all the way in the living room
@@Alex-en2ebunless when David came home nd saw everything realizing it was his mother
Out of the love he had for her he removed the gun beside her nd put it beside his dad to frame him instead nd maybe that cud predict his finger prints on the gun
this really is a bizarre case. finding out about the incest was jarring to learn and offered a whole new perspective. the diaries and glasses being lost in the fire is extremely unfortunate. I find that ridiculous, that they torched the house. the kids writing about family serial killings IS VERRRYYY COMPELLING. no one talked to any of his students about where this story came from? why was a psychologist making assumptions about the context instead of just asking the kids individually??? well at the end of the day i'm very confused and I don't know who I believe is guilty. I like the theory that dad shot family and david shot dad upon realizing. but why wouldn't he confess that honestly?
I agree, I didn’t think of it until you mentioned. How robin killed the family and then David came home and realized what had happened then killed his dad.
The fact that Robin sexually abused his daughter all those years,makes me believe that could very well been responsible for the death of his family.
Also side note,
The mother could’ve been aware of the situation of the incest that’s why she banned robin and called him the devil and did not like her daughter.
And I just can’t see David killing he had nothing to gain or loose.
Robin he did. His whole career and reputation was on the line about his daughter making their relationship public.
i’m wondering if maybe robin did kill the other family members and when david realized it he shot his father. that would explain a lot of the points of contention but would also explain why it doesn’t make sense for robin to have shot himself. this case is really interesting though!
I was thinking the same thing!
This is such a solid theory and could well be what happened! It's what makes the most sense.
Agreed
I was thinking the same but wouldn't it make sense for David to come forward with this since it would be a case of self defense?
I was wondering about that too! Maybe he was so pissed he impulsively shot his father.
As a Kiwi that grew up as the retrial was happening, I 100% still believe David is guilty. Amongst others my age group, or as time has gone on, I definitely hear that opinion being reiterated a lot more than people believing he is innocent.
“I can’t believe it.” Is what I heard.
BUT - that doesn’t mean I don’t think he did it. I totally believe that Robin did NOT shoot himself. As someone else said that maybe Robin killed everyone else and then David killed him and then typed that note. Completely mind boggling! Good job on presenting the evidence.
Got same theory, but I’ve heard I shoot that prick. Maybe rob try to shoot him too and he struggled with David and then he shoot him
Why wouldn’t David say that if it’s what happened?
@@cecelia1350that's my problem with it too
I was also wondering this. I definitely feel David killed his father and typed the note, I'm not sure about the rest - I'd believe him or Robin could do it.
Those are my thought on it as well. But just as crazy is that they burned the dam house down two weeks after the murders!! WTH? So many more answers we would know I think. Hmmmmm.
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Wouldn't there be some kind of proof of her having the abortion?
That's what I was thinking.
Probably not in Papua New Guinea
... and in that era @@emma_lineker00
No.
I would doubt it in Papua New Guinea at that time, it would have been done under the radar to protect Robin's 'reputation' it was just after this they moved away though.
I think David did it and he's really lucky the investigation was botched.
It was definitely David. Why would Robin die hoping David gets the blame and never see it happen? I think David wanted to live in a world that saw his father as he saw him, a monster.
I've always thought the mother did it. I think she killed everyone after hearing about the daughters abuse. The utter shame of the family.. David comes in from his paper route, decides to protect moms name(always the favorite) , and MOVES the gun next to the dad. Maybe they even planned it that way (David and Mom) ahead of time after hearing about the incest the previous night. Mom's feet size? The note makes sense. The glasses she wore as well. Psycho mom did it
I was constantly thinking about this. I seems like the detectives were all eager to put the blame on either david or robin, but maybe the killer was someone else or maybe there were more killers.
The son did it…no doubt…you have to do more non-American cases (American here lol)…I feel like everyone does American ones so I enjoy these I’ve never heard of!!
Sometimes people try to rationalize too much, by saying his motivation was financial and that it wasn't a strong motive. Their whole family was fucked in the head in various ways, I feel like 4 out of 6 of the family members had "good motive" or mental state to do something like this. Examining Robin's mental state or proving that he technically COULD have done this isn't evidence. Of course he was depressed, look at how his wife treated him and just the general sorry state of his life. Doesn't mean he was pushed to murder. More often than not the obvious answer is the right one, because yeah why WOULD you go around carrying out your plan on a full bladder or shoot yourself at an awkward angle. The only explanation is to frame David, but that doesn't seem likely because people who are out for some kind of revenge like to witness that revenge. What satisfaction is Robin getting by killing himself with just the assumption that David will be blamed? Why not simply shoot him? If it's a murder-suicide anyway why not just torture him for your revenge? The physical evidence all points to David. The only part in question is the footprints, which might have been able to be explained with a reexamination but with the evidence destroyed he just got off on a technicality like every murderer. I will say, I'm curious about the computer. If all the timestamps are true, it's perfectly reasonable that Robin turned on the computer before David got home, but was he particularly known to hop on the computer first thing in the morning? Is it or is it not out of the ordinary? Especially in the mid-90s when people were mostly using it for correspondence and still got their news via paper.
Also, if his motivation was to hide the truth about Laniet, what purpose does that serve if you're killing yourself? Why kill everyone? Why *not* kill David? Did David *not* know? Did Laniet actually get to tell anyone at all? If not, how did Robin even know she was going to? Calling this his motivation seems just as flimsy. And I can't get over that "suicide" note. It's so fucking egotistical for David to write about himself, and makes zero sense for Robin to write. If anyone should be spared it should have been Stephen, right? The youngest? Probably innocent? Didn't get involved in the family squabbles? Or Arawa, who also kept to herself? Why did those two need to die? Margaret being a fruitcake with David being her little pet, on top of how he would keep tabs on his siblings and how Laniet said she was afraid of him - no doubt in my mind David did it.
Great comment and great overlook of the case!
You are asking the right questions. I agree with you on evreything. Especially that "suicide note" made me extremely suspicious and just screams David did it. It's so clumsy because it seems so nonsensical for Robin. I also totally see a motif for David. He grew up with this shit
This whole family was so messed up and the children didn't know any different, of course they're incredibly messed up. Sometimes, it seems to me that people in the justice system have a hard time imagining what sick people might think and they assume they have rational thoughts. Financial motif, like have you really understood the situation of this family??
I think David definitely did this and the botched investigation got him off the hook for murdering his entire family. 😢
My question is: what did David say was actually discussed at the family meeting? The incest revelation could have been part of Robin's motive to kill, and David then killed his father after finding the death scene. But all the other evidence makes David appear guilty, even though his motive seems weak especially as to his mother. He may have partially gotten away with mass murder of his own family, since he did serve some time.
That's what I was wondering
I agree!! If he was actually innocent, surely David would have explained what was said at the family meeting if it gave evidence for a motive for his dad to kill the family.
Maybe they were killed before the meeting actually happened? Not sure...
He actually denied there was a family meeting! The reports of the meeting didn’t come from him and he went on to deny it even happened…
I'm not understanding why they'd want to burn the house in the first place. Is that a typical thing to do in NZ following an in home massacre versus just trying to sell it with the disclaimer of the killings?
Smells fishy! Like whoever authorized the house burning was helping cover up evidence.
In NZ we have a thing called a trust. It protects the house if anything happens to the owners. It protects the house and assets, you can do a google search to find out more ☺️ it’s a bit confusing
This case is WILD!! I for real thought you were gonna make us wait a week for part 2 but you were like, tomorrow at around the same time and I was whewww, lol!! 🫶
I still haven’t finished the video, but here are my thoughts right now:
Even if what the other witnesses said about Laniette is true, her telling the family about her abuse could have been what set DAVID off! He was clearly struggling mentally and with his family issues. Maybe hearing this about his family was enough for him to lose it and kill them all?
I agree. I think the extra information just outlines David even more as the murderer. Personally, I also believe we should always take stuff victims say super seriously like Laniet bring worried that David might kill her. She knows her brother best and Indefinitely trust that. She got killed. Wh, would she be afraid if it wasn't real, you know what I mean? To me it's super clear David did it. Kust proving that Robin was a huge creep doesn't really convince me. If anything, makes the family system all the more fucked up which fruther strengthens why it woulf foster a murderer
Exactly!
I was also looking at the possibility that the dad did the others, David came to see it, and in rage killed his dad. He then freaked out and typed the 'suicide note'.
I really do believe if they didnt burn down the house this could have been a 100% solved case. That's such a stupid move. I kinda still think David did it but its hard to say. I'm not sure
Bella are you ok? We have not heard from you recently?
I’ve always felt like it was 100% David, but I think his family was super dysfunctional, and that he probably wasn’t in his right mind at the time. But then I’ve also thought it could’ve been the mum and David was trying to set Robin up to protect the mum he loved so much….honestly I don’t really know, but I think it’s unquestionable that David’s trial was based purely on circumstantial evidence and that his original trial wasn’t fair. Would love to see you do more NZ cases Bella - especially Scott Guy and Sophie Elliott ❤
ʷᵗᶠSo weird about the school newsletters of Robin Bain - having familicide stories written by the students!!!
I grew up with this case and my parents were at uni in Dunedin at the time, everyone here in NZ I’ve ever heard talk about the case believe he is undoubtedly guilty.
Poor Laniet, what a hard life.
If robin did it I feel like it’s possible that “you’re the only one who deserved to stay” was meant more as like you deserve to live with the death of the rest of your family& the potential life in prison type of thing but he said it the way he did so investigators wouldn’t take it that way if that makes sense like then David would be the only one who truly knew what the note meant.. not saying I believe robin did it bc honestly I have no clue who I think did it but just putting that out there as a possibility
i didn’t even think about that possibility, but it makes sense!
Yes! And because of the power struggle, I think it was Robin's way of "stolen" the family from David. (sorry for any mistake, English is not my first language)
I agree, when he says “you are the only one who deserves to stay” maybe he means I don’t love you I took who I loved with me. You stay alone without family and love and blamed for it all.
That's what I thought. Maybe more like "you deserve you see this, you deserve to be alone."
I also thought maybe because of the power struggle between them Robin taking the family with him and away from David could have been almost a final win in Robins mind.
Thats a possibility, tbh this family was do damaged in so many ways but Robin wins the aware for must f'ed up for what he subjected his daughter to. He was a not right!
I've seen other videos on this case but yours is the best in terms of details and research 🖤
Oh my gosh, girl was NOT PLAYING! Quickest Part 2 upload I’ve ever seen!
just finished part1 so perfect timing bella
yess u posted part 2 been waiting for it
So happy to see this so quickly! Thanks Bella!
This was excellent, Bella! Brilliantly researched and explained. Well done
I think David's motive was his resentment towards his dysfunctional family, even more so if his sister admitted what she did the night before. He couldn't control them so he had to take them all out.
I think that David was the murderer, but that he hasn’t planned out the murders until the night before they happened which explains why he did such a poor job of covering up his mistakes. There could have been an intense argument during the “meeting” the night before that pushed him to commit the murders. Maybe it had come out that Robin was abusing Liniette and that prompted David into anger and more contention with his father so he decided to kill him and then greedily thought he should murder the rest of the family as well to get their money. Overall, I feel like the circumstances and evidence make a lot more sense for it to have been David, but Robin was also a disgusting creep who was still a horrible person even if he wasn’t a murderer.
I agree. I also think the murders must have been somewhat reactive and spontaneous since they were done in such s sloppy way. I also think David did it and tried to frame his father who was also a huge psycho.
I think, hearing this new information, that Robin also was a sick man but just because he's also a psycho doesn't mean David can't be one. It just proves thag this family was incredibly fucked up. Robin just psysically couldn't have done it
Ok1st thing … I miss your earrings!!! Thank you for sharing .. and yeah , David totally did it! Such a convoluted and sad case.
David definitely did it. I wonder what the rest of that "suicide note" said. Why would Robin write a suicide note saying that David is the only one that deserves to live, yet leave things in a manner where he could in any way be suspected as the culprit? And poor Steven, he fought so hard.
That was the whole note, just that one line
@makaylat7616 for real? Well then I definitely don't believe Robin killed anyone, because that's not a very good way to frame anyone
I think "You're the only one deserve to live" is kind of a revenge. As in like "I killed the whole family and now you have to live with all the pain and trauma" but i still think David did it
or maybe… the mother killed them all and then told david to kill her 🤷🏻♀️
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I’m not sure if anyone’s thought about this but I had the idea that maybe Robin planned to kill his whole family and started killing them all forgetting that David had left for his paper run (or just planning to kill him once he returned) and then David came home and his dad tried to kill him so they had a struggle and David ended up killing his father. Then I guess David could have realised Robin had killed everyone and realised it looked bad on him with everyone being dead so he decided to stage it to look like a murder suicide. That could explain Robins bloody foot prints and the weird suicide note- this is a crazy case though I’m very torn but I don’t think David is completely innocent.
Good job Bella. I love listening to you tell stories. I am divided with who did it. Keep the stories coming. Love from Maryland USA.
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Damn I’ve never heard them include someone’s bladder
I wonder if Robin did kill his family and David came home immediately after and shot his father. That to me seems to make the most sense.
I thought the same!
The majority of them were killed via the gun? And Robins finger prints wasn’t on it
@@DestinyLateshaJonesI agree. It makes 0 sense for Robin to have done this and left David alive to take revenge.
Where's his finger prints if he killed the family?
Hi Bella! I just wanted to tell you that I really love you and your videos. The way you talk about these cases makes them even more interesting !
And one request, could you please cover these cases from India:
- Geeta and Sanjay Chopra kidnapping case
- The Nirbhaya Case
- The Tandoor Murder Case
Sending lots of love to you and your family ❤️
A tough case! My mind is juggling throughout every single details though at some point, I believed David is the one responsible for all of this. The story and evidence points directly at him and the way he smiled and even took a vacation like nothing happened.
I’m deeply sad that we won’t be able to answer every little questions we have for this case but I hope that someday, justice will be served.
I’ve been waiting all morning for this! 🥳
In Part 1, I was so sure it was David without a doubt. After part 2, Im really undecided about the case. What would be David's motivation? Vs Robin, he was outcasted by his family, the only support system he had was potentially his daughter-who he was sexually abusing, and the family murder stories from the student is sus. Im not sure..
Another possibility could be that Robin killed everyone while David was doing his paper route and then David killed Robin-vs the idea of it being a suicide. Then the note could just be so he would not get blamed for murdering his father
@@Breannalovesyhu- this is what I'm thinking too.
@Breannalovesyhu but then why not say that he killed Robin in self defence?
David’s motivation could be that his mother manipulated him into thinking the whole family was evil like she wrote about. Also could be due to him finding out about his father and sister
What's to argue when the only finger prints are David's and gun powder residue was found on his hands. Forensics are hard to argue against
it baffles and disgusts me that david got away with these murders. the major confusion is due to the motive, robin having a strong motive and david’s being mostly unknown.
a lot of the evidence has to be stretched to pin it on robin. why would he shoot himself in such an impossibly awkward position, especially when it would have been easier to remove the silencer? why would he collect the morning newspaper? why wouldn’t he empty his bladder? why would he wait a minute for the computer to boot up instead of just writing the note by hand? why would he take his time doing all this when he knew david was expected home? why was there such a lack of his dna?
we’re supposed to believe they found david’s bloodied gloves in stephen’s room but the broken glasses lens was just a coincidence? and the injuries he doesn’t recall getting were obviously not because of the struggle? his clothes happened to be stained in blood because… robin wanted to set him up instead of killing him like everyone else? or he was being a good father by washing the blood off his clothes? and, again, david just conveniently forgets everything and was just wandering around a murder scene like a lost puppy?
david called the family meeting to lure his family home. the murder weapon belonged to him. he burnt down the crime scene. his sisters feared him. he had made previous statements that he would use his paper run as an alibi to commit other crimes. he made sure he was noticed on his paper route. far too many coincidences to believe he is innocent.
Bella, I know you’re busy but when are you going to post a new video? 😢
anyone wondering why she hasn’t posted??
This case is a tough one because there’s no real answers to anything and I wish there was… my personal opinion - David did it. It’s just so odd to me that Robin would let him be the only one to live when they didn’t even get along. Also, if Robin did it, why weren’t his fingerprints on the gun, especially if he was going to k1ll himself in the end anyways? I think there are a few possible motives for David. It could’ve been a sort of power trip/ego boost motive because he always felt in competition in that aspect with Robin, and maybe he wanted to show his family that he was the “big man” by gaining control over their lives. It could’ve been a mental breakdown, or even a financial motive like the prosecution originally suggested. Of course it’s unclear what really went down, but I think David makes the most sense.
Mental makes more sense than financial. They didn’t seem to struggle much for money but they definitely struggled in their relationships w each other. I think he did it, too.
Plus, there would be no way for Robin to get rid of his fingerprints after shooting himself. If he wore gloves with everyone else, they’d still be on his hands when he was found,
“long time no see” 😂
the absolute cutest. hair looks especially fire today btw.
this upload came at the perfect time, i just finished part one
What was the point in burning the house down?
just finished part one perfect timing!
David could still be guilty if the allegations against his father were true. He could have killed his father for doing that to his sister, blamed his mother for not protecting his sister (maybe even believed she knew and protected his father), blamed his sister for "tempting" his father or having an "affair with him as she supposedly worded it (I am an CSA survivor so I am in no way saying it was her fault!). Like, he could totally still be guilty if this was about the allegations because no one knows what his mindset on that would have been.
OKAY, BELLA. Feeding my soul with back to back uploads 🎉
Just finished part one!! Yay!
Test the keyboard for fingerprints or DNA whoever wrote it, Dad or son, would have evidence all over that keyboard 🤷🏼♀️
* it * meaning the suicide note 😄
im assuming most of the family would use the computer so it wouldnt be useful
@@cristalovey good point but wouldn't you see the top later 🤔 haha of the most recent? Like they lifted prints off the family gun?
Ummmmm can we get some new content. I been watching the same videos over for a month now
One second in and i just HAVE to say i am obsessed with how your sheets and lamps look!!!!!
Thank you for. It making us wait for part 2 ❤
We need a solved case next please!!! I've been watching your videos from day 1! ❤❤❤
Such a fan I love the effort you put into all of your videos❤
BABE WAKE UP BELLA POSTED A PART 2
I've been watching you for a long time, 7 years I think, or maybe more. I love your energy and videos, keep doing you.
Why in the world would they ok a structure being burned in the beginning of a multiple murder investigation? That is so bizarre.
I think robin might have written the ‘you’re the only one who deserves to stay’ sarcastically. He didn’t ACTUALLY think david deserved to stay, but maybe he did think david deserved to be put away for this crime. Not only was robin outcasted (except for the daughter he was abusing and who was about to out that to the world) which would give him a motive, it would also explain why robin let david live; to get the ultimate revenge by having him be put away for the murders. Even if it doesn’t make sense for how he shot himself, it was shown that it WAS possible, maybe robin really took the preparations into getting david convinced serious and looked into all those ‘small’ details
But his fingerprints weren’t on the gun. If he shot himself in the head, he wouldn’t have been able to wipe his prints afterwards.
I agree 100%
David did it, there is ample evidence to support that, more than any other scenario. And, who the heck authorized burning down a house in the middle of a murder investigation?
With everything that was motioned in part 1, I was really wondering if the mother did it then took herself out (with a weapon disposed of/hidden/moved by David). She hated Robin and adored David, and her writing that he was the only one who deserved to stay would have made way more sense. Our it could have been something the two of them planned together. Of course, the evidence doesn't suggest it at all, it was just something I thought of.
That was my thought the whole time!
The gun was no where near the mother.
@@janetpendlebury6808 Which is why I specifically stated the option that she and David could have done it together. She does the act, then David takes her down with her approval OR she takes herself down with a separate weapon David disposes of. It IS possible, even if no evidence suggests it. Like I said, it was just an idea.
I thought this too, and maybe David didn't want his dearly beloved mom being blamed so he moved the gun to Robin? Idk
I was thinking that she planned it with David and then David did her bidding (as he often did).
Thanx…you reeled me in and I couldn’t stop thinking about it!
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i want to apologize for my bluntness on day one. it’s actually a treat to have two days new videos and i was really excited to hear how you wrapped everything up i think i just wasn’t feeling patient at ALL. thank you for taking your time to cover these cases, being respectful while doing so and keeping it interesting for the dedicated viewers ❤️🔥
His father wrote in the letter… Deserves to stay, as in, deserves to suffer by staying alive. That’s how I understand it.
David wrote the letter to try and explain why he was not killed as well. He killed his family and had to have some reason why he was the only one left alive.
Yeah... Like someone above me stated wisely "most of the time the obvious thing is the truth" I feel like reinterpreting the note is kinda bending it to fit a certain result
It's very hard to decide, I'm leaning more towards David being the killer just because of the gun and the angle Robin was killed it seems very convoluted, but I can't say for sure, I wish the investigation was better, there seems to have been so much evidence that they just left un-examined!
My sisters ex brother in law was the first lawyer to defend David Bain, and he thinks David did it
Damn that's a flimsy association lol.
Great work Bella, you had me going back and forth throughout both videos, amazingly done!
Another Dunedin case is the murder of Sophie Elliot. It’s such an emotional case ❤
I think David’s guilty - but to me it sounds like he says “I can’t…. breathe”. Which could either be argued that perhaps his world was so rocked that he couldn’t breathe, or that he was playing it up for the emergency services operator.
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Did Robin have a cellphone on him? Was there a landline in the living room? I think the bloody footprints were Robins, but not because he murdered them. He probably came inside and found his family murdered and tracked the blood throughout the house while he was checking if any family was left. By the time he got to David’s room (the socks were found there right?) he probably noticed he had his family’s blood on his feet and took them off in disgust. Then went into the living room to call emergency services from a phone in there when David came home and killed him before he could do that. Because it doesn’t make sense he could kill 5 people and not have any gun powder on him, and not leave his finger prints on the gun.
I do think David killed his family... from the evidence presented it just seems highly unlikely that Robin would've been able to do this. Also, if the computer HAD been turned on at 06H44, Robin must have shot himself exactly at the time or just after David got back home, which doesn't make much sense to me. However, I don't think there is enough evidence to prove reasonable doubt and therefore I agree with the courts ruling, even though I do think David did it.
I'm just now listening to this, and thinking about how they just demolished the Idaho house before the trial. It's never a good idea to destroy the crime scene before all is said and done...
Great video as always🎉 Girl your skin is so FLAWLESS!!! Is it naturally radiant and dewy or do you use a foundation or tint? I NEED to know! Even though my skin will never look like yours but I can can try😂
Miss you posts Bella ♥️
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Awesome Video Bella😊 i hadnt actually heard of this one before - a rarity for me😂
For the note-he could have meant he was the only one who deserved to suffer the fallout.
this case is insane there's way too much contradicting information 😭
If the father is responsible & wrote that note, he could be one of those family annihilators that believes he's taking his family to heaven, saying David "is the only one who deserves to stay" could mean that he's the only one that doesn't deserve to go to heaven - & that malice could be consistent with him trying to frame his son.
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I think if it was his dad, it was more in revenge to keep him alive. So he had to live with his whole family dead. Like "you deserve to live with this"
I think David killed his family. I slowed down the recording and it sounded like he said "I shot the..." The injuries to his face, hands and chest alone speaks volumes to me. He got away with killing his family and then he was compensated for it. It is a shame that Robin isn't here to defend himself...anyone can say anything about someone after they are dead...they can't refute it. This is very sad and heartbreaking.
I been following you since you started your channel. Literally you’re so gorgeous and have the most beautiful voice 😂❤