I have mild and nuanced opinions about tattoos
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2022
- Father Pine comes in with the most controversial take to hit the Pints channel in decades: That tattoo you're thinking about getting? Its probably not as great or exciting as you think its going to be.
Upon Fr. Pines methodical examination it seems like tattoos aren't as exciting and morally uncharged as they seem to be.
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Amazing that not getting a tattoo and not getting divorced and not taking drugs is actually… being a rebel in today’s world.
@truthseeker6153That's simply not true, please explain to me how Jesus would get a tattoo, for some reason everyone is asking the wrong question about tattoos. We are supposed to be imitating Jesus, the question to ask is how far should you be willing to go in imitating Jesus.
I wanted a tattoo when I was younger but then realized it was more nonconformist to NOT get one. So that was that.
This was an intelligent monologue. A lot of stuff I sorta had a vague understanding or opinion of was laid out much more clearly and explicitly 👍
Thank you Fr. Pine, I really needed to hear this. I have tattoos that I got before my conversion, but I was thinking of getting the Chi-Rho symbol and a few other religious tattoos. Seeing this made me think why and what is my underlying motivation? I think I don't want it for selfish, narcissistic reasons, but rather to show the world what Christ and Catholicism mean to me. Rather than SHOW them, Christ commands me to TELL them. You're also right about wanting to tell the story of our life. I was thinking of also getting a tattoo of a dove with the year I was baptized in Roman numerals. I always want to remember that day (I was not baptized as an infant). But when I use holy water from the font and trace the sign of the cross over my body, isn't that what I'm doing? Remembering my baptism and that indelible mark left by the Holy Spirit? I haven't ruled out religious tattoos, but you've certainly given me pause to consider the why.
Just love you dear father. You are truly a blessed holy soul.
I once heard a speaker who spent some time in Egypt with Coptic Christian woman. She noticed that each one of them had a small cross tattooed on the inside of the wrist. She was told that because of the area where they live, at any time Coptic Christians could be persecuted for their faith. The cross is there so they are never tempted to deny their faith to save their life. What a moving story! It was the first and only time I've considered getting a tattoo, not only to be in prayer for and solidarity with them, but as a reminder of the blessing of religious freedom.
I’m Eastern Orthodox, and a group of us went together to get Coptic Cross tattoos for the same reason. I love mine. Father is right about tattoos being addictive! I started planning my next one and then stopped when I realized what was happening.
@@DaveK548 I can relate! I've put off getting mine because once I considered this one, I found myself thinking about other ones I might want to do.
I got a tattoo in 1990 before the craze took over (I am female)…I am grateful I got it in a discreet place. I am glad I never got another one. I used to like the esthetic (& I still do!) but I hate how cheap it makes women look. It’s unsightly & awful. I won’t get another one & now think clear skin is more beautiful. Funny how much I stopped liking it the more people indulged. Like blue & pink & green hair. I like demure & clean beauty now…
The way I was taught boiled down to my dad's saying; "I've never seen a woman and thought 'you know, she needs more tattoo's".
That’s so funny, I am a very practicing trad catholic, married with two beautiful babies. And I LOVE tattoos, I also have purple and blue hair 🤣 you called me out. But I see it as art, as I’m also a cosmetologist and it’s all in the industry. I’ve been fascinated with tats and colored hair since I can remember. But you’d never know, because I wear a veil to mass and completely cover. Our lives and what we see are very different. God bless ❤️
@@DenKonZenith I have 😬 and I’m a practicing trad catholic, married with babies 😂 I love it! Different way of life. God bless ❤️
We made statues of the female form for thousands of years because to our species, that is equivalent with beauty. Diminishing that beauty is a shame, whether through tattoos, poor health, etc.
@@elizabethj6534 Hope you’re getting the attention you so desperately crave.
I prefer the indelible mark on our souls from the sacrament of Baptism, Confirmation and in Ordination to Priesthood...these are the eternal marks on our souls which can't be lasered off as can be done to tattoos. Tattoos, in my opinion, are a waste of time and money. JMJ.
AND ABOVE ALL, AN OFFENSE to OUR GOD, LJC....
@@colajax What about the jews who were tattooed against their will? Were they sinful just for having them?
@@apalsnerg Of course it's not sinful if they were forced into being tattooed. They didn't choose it. A sin is commited by one's own choice. If a person raped someone, who do you think the sinner is, both of them? No, the one who forced the sin is accountable for it, not the victim.
"are a waste of time and money". Money spent on ourselves, that are justified in several ways. And as I have heard several times, "why would you put a bumper sticker on a Porsche?". Love who you are, as God made you, and don't give way to the temptation if getting a tattoo.
@@kevinkempton6894 I could not have said it better!
Aesthetics. Here are four common styles of tattoos - wallpaper designs, comic book art, political graffiti, and branding. Tattoos are pop art. Seldom are they profound - and even more seldom are they artful. Skin is the canvas, ink is the medium, text and context are quickly revealed (or lost completely) depending on the inscription and graphics. For instance, I can read the meaning behind the "semper fi" or "anchors away" found on the military man, or the Cross/Star of David/the Hindi "Aum," as classic examples of branding; the credal statements contained in phrases such as "Black Lives Matter" or the anarchist "A" in the circle (etc.) as types of protest graffiti; the various overly developed images of wolves, skulls, cartoon characters etc. as examples of comic book expression; and the "barbed wire around the bicep," the roses with thorns and other extravagant types of flower arrangements - as well as the sundry hearts placed in intimate locations - as a form of derma wallpaper - but the result is ultimately cheap and lacking in quality. It's final expression will always be lacking. It is not suitable for framing or for careful consideration. When God made Man, He declared that the finished product (as it were) was "very good." Very good indeed. We need not embellish it any further. To do so is vanity.
That is my thinking.
And, living on a city by the beach for 16 of the last 20 years, i've seen mure than my share or tatoos. And I came to condense that thinking in "made to the image and likeness of God, do you think you can improve on that?"
Seldom I see a tatoo wearer that does live an empty or dissolute life So while I've seen well crafted ones, they always carry that stigma.
That is not to say about "themed tatoos" those that denote engaging in sin in a professional manner. Those are pridely displayed be the wearer. Now I realize I've not overcame the disgust I feel when I see it, while the proper, catholic reaction would be to pray for those people.
Also this looks like a case where a tatoo is clearly not moral.
God didn't say it was " Very good" until he made the woman!
We decorate ourselves with clothes, grooming and makeup. Is this the same as a decoration with ink? God made no mistake when He made us, but everyone still wears clothes.
@@JohnFromAccounting people often use clothing to show off their wealth and get impartial treatment
@@JohnFromAccounting our first fathers also covered themselves in Eden, after that first sin.
We cover ourselves out of modesty, in order not to be scandal for our neighbours.
On the other hand makeup might be used to instill fleshly desires, the same as immodest clothing. Both are symptoms of vanity, the same as tattooing.
Thank you. My sister and I were just discussing this earlier. Neither of us have any and though I often think one beautiful for the art’s sake, I always have had a memory of learning that in the Old Testament the Israelites were instructed not to follow the ways of the pagans who tattoo and pierce their bodies as symbols of ownership. Full disclosure, I have pierced ears. So there is a lot of ignorance, I think, on the don’ts. But as in everything: Pray for direction before all endeavors. 💕💕💕
That is why David was a man after His own heart. David always asked God what he should do.
Instead of relying on memory, you should read the Old Testament laws so you will have full context and clarity.
For what it is worth: I prefer 5 sq. in. of healthy, clear skin to 5 sq. in. of ugly greyish green ink.
There's a movie called Once were Warriors and in it there was a scene where a young man was exposed to peer pressure to get a tattoo and he responded with "I wear my tattoos on the inside". I quoted this many times. As for the people that get them... If the tattoos are not counter to the faith maybe that's ok but I think there will be an epidemic of people who are going to greatly regret plastering there bodies with tattoos as they age and as they grow as people... It's still a no thanks for tattoos for me 👍
I knew an old soldier who got a tattoo when he was fighting in WWII. It was of a naked woman with different colors. By the time I saw the tattoo in his old age, the blue ink had bled, the red and green faded and his wrinkled skin make the image look more like a bruise than art. Yeah, people are going to regret those sleeves of tattoo in later life. Their grandkids will be tugging on the flaps to try to get an idea of the image.
Never liked tattoos and never liked piercings. Thank you for reminding people what’s important (what’s inside and what you do not what you wear).
Some say tattoo is a form of art.
Fine but I wouldn't use my skin as canvas.
I find tattoos unsightly.
There's truth in what Fr. Gregory is saying here. I got my 1st tattoo on my deltoid 30 years ago...which expanded to a half sleeve, then complete sleeve. My tatts are all Catholic, spectacularly so: Sacred Heart; Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Mother; St. Michael with shield and sword; Crown of Thorns; and Our Lady of Recovery with images of my parents and a niece under her mantle. Interspersed in the "negative space" are the blue/green colors of Our Lady of Guadalupe's mantle with gold stars. I don't regret them, they serve as conversation starters about the faith with persons who otherwise would not speak about the faith. Honestly, that's an unintended consequence of why I did it, but overall I'm glad I have them. And soon enough I'll be gone, so...but I have zero desire to get any more.
Fr Pine you're an extremely brilliant man. Thank you for explaining this subject on tattoos with respect and wisdom. God bless you. ❤✝️
Fr. Pines,
I appreciate your comments and wisdom. Enjoyed a few laughs too !🙏
Father Pine, thank you for making this video! I’ve been contemplating getting a tattoo for some time now and have gone back ad forth. I see many good arguments on both ends of the spectrum. I was actually thinking about emailing you asking for your opinion because I think you analyze things well, seeking truth with humility. So thank you for sharing your wisdom, it’s very much appreciated.
I’ve gotten tattoos. I regret them. Not because I don’t like what they portray, but they aren’t necessary, and the older I get, the more conscious I am of the fact that I don’t really want to be the old timer with blown out and faded old tattoos. I envy those who have naught be clear skin. Want fashion? Use clothing. Don’t put ink in your skin.
Thank you for being honest. Most with tattoos do, but try to save face by doubling down and outright lying - kinda like a narcissist.
@Sensless yeah, but it’s a lot of sessions and a lot of money (or so I hear). I’ve learnt to live with them. You can’t erase the past.
What are your tats of? That matters too. Lots of people don't regret their tattoos when they get old because they still like the images.
@@JohnFromAccounting Various things. A small crown on the back of my neck. Some books under a candle on my inner forearm. A sword and a quip on the back of my bicep. An arrow along the backside of my forearm. And a sun on my right shoulder. I mean, I don’t not like them, as I never bought into getting something edgy for edginess’ sake… well, okay, that’s a lie. But I learnt my lesson :)
Most of mine have personal relevance to me (I’m an English major-hence the books, my name means “prince”-hence the crown, the quip says “brave the storm”-just a reminder to stay strong through life’s hurdles, the arrow is a cover-up and a symbol of moving forward at last, and the sun is a cover-up and reminder to always aim for the highest good).
The cover-ups are a good indicator that I had my share of dumb tats. Hence my ambivalent attitude towards getting tatted. As far my advice not to get some, it mainly stems from a late consideration of what I wanted to express and look like in old age, and I guess the older I’ve gotten, the more I realize that I’d rather manifest an aesthetic that bespeaks of self-control and humble senility than some scarred picture-book showing a youth rife with reckless behavior.
I didn't get my first tattoo until I was 58 years old and now at the age of 64, I have 7 of which 6 are Catholic based, and I think of them as an expression of my faith. Yes, I know they are permanent but if in 25 years if they fade or I get tired of them, it probably won't matter.
It would be a blessing enough to live to 89 or older! I hope I make it that long.
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
not saying dont do it, i dig that you want everyone to know you love God. and im not the judge.
@@sleepystar1638 Yes... It's a good thing that Christians are not subject the the Levitical ceremonial or judicial law.
@@GR65330 well they are judged by it, but not on the basis on if you go to heaven or not, but in the hierarchy of Heaven it will matter.
@@sleepystar1638 Why are most Americans circumcised then? That's violating gods temple.
I completely agree to all your reasons father, also I’d like to add that when it comes to expressing our commitment to things, relationships and even with art, it is best to see it in a piece of paper or a frame. I find it not at all attractive on a skin. We grow and mature through the years, and committing to a tattoo on your skin is for me such so nonsensical. For me it does not look decent at all.
What about times when you don't have a paper or a frame? And is your main objection is just that you don't think it's aesthetic? I'm sure Jesus didn't look that good when he was all bloodied up and tortured to death. It's a very shallow argument.
Jesus is the Lamb of God, unblemished and we are call to grow spiritually to look like Him, because He wants us to become saints in order that one day we go to His presence. I don't see how a tatoo could help us to archive that goal. It is just a thought, no offense to anyone.
I have never wanted a tattoo ….. I just can’t see the point
Couple things
What do you think of the Coptic Christian practice of getting a tattoo of the cross?
What do you think of tattoos as fulfilling a similar role of iconography? I've actually noticed amongst my Orthodox friends that iconography is similarly addictive, where people will buy them frequently and fill their spaces with them. It also tends to fill the role of an instructive reminder
This is very rich for discussions, thank you!!!🙏😇
If you are under 40, not having tattoos makes you stand out. Hahahahahahaha.
I have tattoos. I am content with them. I think it depends on the tattoo content. Mine are of Jesus and the AM for Ave Maria. People ask me about the faith. It’s a good chance to speak to folks about the Faith.
I am a cradle catholic who fell away from the faith, in my time away from holy mother church, I procured many tattoos, most of which are commemorations of passed family members. In my reversion after the passing of my mum, the tattoos I have, I see as painful scars of a life which lacked in faith and love of our lord and saviour. My tattoos make me feel sad and regretful reminding me of the death, not the life of those I thought I was commemorating. Having tattoos are one of the many regrets I carry, they are permanent, I have too many to ever be able to afford to remove and I try to cover them at all times…Everything you said Fr Gregory was spot on…they are static and in my experience only bring regret later on…God bless you Fr, your videos on here as well as Godsplaining always help me grow deeper in my faith which enriches my life immensely…God bless you ✝️🕊
Offer them up to Him, so that you may begin to see them as reminders of the hole where He pulled you out from. So that every time you catch a glimpse of them you may be filled with gratitude and praise His name ❤
Great points! Yes, ok it’s most likely fine like you said, but is it beneficial? Is it worthy of our time and money? Each will will have to answer with God and decide-but good to ask the question to our ourselves!
I have music charts on my arms which help me study/visualize ideas when I don't have a book or a guitar with me.... it's been very beneficial.
I totally agree. I do not recommend getting a tattoo. For these reasons. Father, you summed up good reasons to avoid a tattoo very well!
Just a comment from a bit different perspective and mindset.
For my first sleeve I was thinking about getting pieces that would rather remind me of what I was able to do in memorable moments of my life. The tattoos I have on one of my sleeve are related to the artistic work I performed with great musicians and graphic artists, and for me personally it is a reminder of special relations and creativity brought up from these interactions.
How I chose the tattoo artists was also important, because I always asked them what is the technique they have never done before and would like to try out. This way the situation seemed engaging for all sides, focused on the artistic value. Really, everytime we met these artists were enthusiastic that they can perform their art and create something good.
However, I agree with fr. Gregory that the average idea to get a tattoo is more related to marking ourselves on who we would like to be and not about what for we were called to be.
Secondly, the second sleeve I have was made by my girfriend, also a great artist. I decided to allow her to create a garden right on my arm. Simple as that, beautiful piece.
What was important is that the main topics of our discussions about art is how important it is to present beauty and goodness, focus on the highest values and blessings in life. Many times clients come to her asking for dark tattoos, praising evil or whatever, she refuses to do that or at least tries to convince on a better idea.
One client came in to have a tattoo reminding about her child who passed away - she wanted a date of this tragic moment and a sad angel. My girlfriend asked her how is she going to remember her child - by the good or bad moments, and presented an idea to show goodness, happiness and beauty of the relation she had with her child. And that's the idea that was chosen in the end.
What is interesting that after some time of this approach, clients come back with other people asking for one of these "good" tattoos, because everyone else offer the dark and evil stuff.
That's interesting, because she is the only artist focused on bright side so openly that I know.
Artists I know tend to focus on artistic value, quality, composition and MAKING SENSE in their art. Coming from Central Europe this might be slightly different to US approach to tattoos - not to offend good artists, but there's definitely a quality difference on both regions.
This being said, after coming back to Catholic Church, my approach changed slightly, but not very much. I treat what I have on me almost equal to jewellery, reminding of good things and relations I had or have, and being nice artistic pieces.
Just a final word to those who's approach changed definitely - Regretting tattoos is a thing not only for converts but mostly for people who come to mind that praising weak values is lame :)
Don't worry, Jesus called us by our names directly and sanctifies our nature. New eyes is one of the wonders.
I agree that the artistic nature of tattoos should be weighed. Some tattoos are simply incredible
You let her leave a permanent mark on your body and you aren't married? What?
@@josephbrandenburg4373 Is it within your culture to marry tattoo artists in order to work with them?
@@misza4907 I wouldn't get a permanent reminder of a woman who may become an ex. My body should belong wholly to my own wife. I think she would not be very happy about another woman having designed a part of my body.
The point I am making is that it's kinda silly to commit to one permanent thing with her and not the other.
I have to say, this is one of the only times I’ve had a difference of opinion about a moral issue with Fr. Pine. (The only other one which comes to mind is that lying is always wrong, which Fr. Pine defended during his debate with Dr. Janet Smith). Let me preface this by saying that both my mother and father have tattoos and my only brother is strongly considering getting a "sleeve". Having said that, my opinion is that our bodies are to be pure temples, not stained with temporary markings because ultimately they should be directed toward the transcendentals... goodness, truth, and beauty. Tattoos are not inherently “true”, nor “beautiful” (as often seen in an aging body.) I know that’s not a popular belief, but I think it’s an unnecessary defilement often with a narcissistic end. My advice...? Stay holy and stainless, both in body and in spirit.
Then don’t be fat. That’s controllable.
@@Xymage mourning the dead is literally the only kind of tattoo the Bible explicitly forbids lol
@@Xymage Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
@@Xymage if the Law is abolished how would you know if you sinned?
@@XymageMatt 5 18 King James Bible
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
so has it all been fullfilled? or just his sacrifice? Til Heaven and Earth pass away, uhhhh have you looked around recently? its still here. not trying to be rude.
I learn most from your posture of suspicion and evaluation of everything, and if coming to the conclusion it's at least not obviously beneficial, what's the point? There are so many higher and better things made for us and every desire to brand ourselves, present ourselves, or define ourselves should leave us asking "what is this desire in me for?" The answer is more of our Lord. More and more and more please!!
I have tattoos because I think they look cool. I don’t regret them and I still go to communion I’ve asked several priest and I’m not any different then without them. Unless they promote something evil there’s nothing wrong with them. I’m still catholic and there’s nothing in the catechism about not getting them
You are totally right. Tattoos can be meaningful & definitely not a sin. Fr Mike Schmitz has a very insightful video about it. I got my 1st tattoo this year & it's very significant: cross with a heart 💗 Most people I've met who have tattoos got them for good reason & meaning. People should not judge someone based on appearance but rather on their hearts & character 💗
Thanks Father. I agree with your analysis. I always liked St. Thomas’ analogy to the Roman soldier’s tattoo for the Sacraments. Was he also the one who analogized to the brand? Anyway, the Sacraments offer the font of grace to keep the image “pure,” and to repair it if it’s been disfigured. The soldier’s tattoo came with the promise of military comeraderie. I’m not sure what protection is offered for a tattoo, apart from the Penance, which can wash away the fault of the sin (but not the punishment, without much growth in holiness). I grew up in Massachusetts, which actually outlawed tattoo parlors until about 20 years ago. It’s not the end of the world, but it’s worth caution. Thanks again!
Thank you, Father. Great topic. Explained very well. I enjoyed the video and watched it till the end. That being said, I recently got two tattoos on the inside of my forearms. I’ve been actually thinking about getting one for the last twenty years. I’m very happy with them. They are crosses and Jesus on the cross. I love them. What I love most about them, is that I did not realize the reaction I would receive from people. They are great reactions, curious ones. Because people asks about them, it gives me the opportunity to speak about Jesus to them. I don’t like pushing my beliefs on people or trying to change anyone, but if they bring it up, they are asking in a way to be instructed.
Thanks again for the video, Father. 🙏🏼✝️
I do not like tatoos, the idea of putting ink into my skin makes me shudder but my children want to have them when they grow up. Thank you for speaking beautifully about your Mum. And yes, I talk to my father, who passed 11 years ago.
# 1 It is not akin to picking up a piece of straw or turning left, it is a permanent thing that can't be undone (barring laser surgery). #2 It is the marring of your skin, permanently, changing it from how God designed it; you are covering up Gods design with your own that can never be undone. #3 Why, what is your motive, what is your impetus other than your prideful ego? Get your mind tattooed with the Holy Spirit instead.
How about indelible markings for cancer treatment purposes?
I have a Jerusalem cross tattoo on my right forearm near my inside elbow, been there for three years, no regrets. It's in a place I can easily cover if I need to, but is normally visible. I got it because I needed/wanted a sacramental my kids couldn't yank off my neck and because I'd just been through a really rough patch with my faith-- I needed a way to rededicate myself to it. Getting a permanent mark on my body fulfilled that need for me in a way that a prayer regimen like total consecration to Mary couldn't (at least at that time...for a variety of reasons).
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
@@sleepystar1638 shut up. We know how special you are.
@@larakaramazova777 are you ok?
@@larakaramazova777 hey are you alright?
I am 48 and had breast cancer last year. My first tattoo will be for breast reconstruction.
You make sense 👍🏻 , thank you Father.
i am 28 now and got 2 tattoos when i was 22. they are discreet enough, but i regret getting them.
Great comments in your video. Thanks for the insight.
I’ve reflected on getting a tattoo, and I find getting a tattoo about living and ideal as strange because if I do not perform to obtain that said ideal, people will judge me as a hypocrite in a sense. I conclude that it’s better to have no tattoo and let people judge you based on your actions.
I can't imagine marry a man or woman and not be able even see them under all paintings.
So true, you can never be nude again. Which is a barrier to marriage.
@@charlottewyttle1578 Paul did tell the Corinthians not get married though... and correct me if I'm wrong, but priests+monks are not allowed to get married, correct?
If anyone asks about getting a tattoo, I would seriously dissuade them against it.
All the expression of love and meaning that people crave for can be found in being a follower and soldier of Christ.
For context: I have a Chi-Rho, baptismal cross, a cross with a saying from a youth minister in Latin, and lastly a prayer to Our lady of Częstochowa in Polish. For me at least my tattoos are more reminders for my self. And yes the addiction aspect….I’m thinking of getting part of the litany to St. Joseph, and that is stemming from the influence on me as a husband and father in a hard time.
Also the ink in my cross was actually blessed by a priest when I was at school at Ave Maria University.
As a wife I would not prefer to be kissing any kind of prayer or holy pictures on my husband's body. ( Just saying)
To be fair my wife is Japanese and strongly dislikes them (I had them before we met), there’s also a negative connotation in Japanese culture though (yakuza)
I have a number of Catholic tattoos and all but one are on my arms. I have praying hands wrapped in a rosary; the Chi-Rho; The Sacred Heart; the Immaculate Heart as it looked at Fatima; the Kyrie; and St Michael the archangel. I love them all and I don't see myself regretting any of them as they reflect my Catholic faith.
Holy images can't be considered sinful. The objection to them can only be related to matters of preference, rather than a moral imperative.
@@matthewgregor4011 if your wife isn’t a Catholic, it seems a much bigger problem than any tattoos you may have.
Very thoughtf provoking; I'm sure my dad would thank you for sharing this. 😂
This title is so Fr. Pine. I love it.
I am a Christian and I love my tattoos! I get lots of compliments from all sorts of people that I might never talk to or people I wouldn’t expect to talk to if I didn’t have them. They are great, quick conversation starters and ways to relate to people in the world in hopes that our friendship would grow and they’d come to know Christ. I have found that my tattoos make me more approachable to people in the world. And I think they’re beautiful pieces of art.
It was so sad to see Fr Mike Schmitz get a tattoo. He more than anyone else should know that we should love our bodies as they are because they came from God.
I think that’s kind of an arbitrary position to take. Why is changing you appearance via a tattoo on your body disrespectful to god but getting a haircut isn’t? Or putting on makeup or jewelry?
Hi Father Pine. We agree on something! I'm happy.
Chocolate chip cookies are not evil, maybe, but gluttony is
This is obviously so. More obvious (to me) than any point you may be trying to make by saying so. I invite you to expound. Cheers! :)
I was thinking the same thing... eating chocolate chip cookies when it's unnecessary for survival is actually a much deeper sin than getting tattoos.
I have what I think is a novel take on this... Tattoos are immodest. The modesty that the Bible teaches is 90% about money. It tells us not to show displays of wealth, that other people will treat us with favoritism. It's wrong to seek or to show favoritism.
Tattoos are a permanent display of wealth, because they are expensive. Nicer tattoos with higher quality ink are even more expensive. They take away one's ability to be modest, in a way that no clothing or jewelry can do. A man can remove his Armani suit. A woman can take off her diamonds and fur coat. The clothes are what make the man. Strip us all bare and we are all equally rich and poor, as far as the eye can tell.
If you subscribe to the idea that modesty is about sex, then you would also have to agree with me that the tattoo draws attention to one part of the body rather than another, which I think is the essential problem with sexually immodest dress. God made us beautifully and he designed our bodies perfectly. He even created us in the "image and likeness of God". So by focussing or detracting from one part of the body or another, we take away from its aesthetic unity and draw the attention to sex. Because only one part of the body is covered by a bikini, that's the part you think about. Because only a little skin is showing when a girl wears a midriff baring shirt, you're focussed on the psrt of her you *can* see. I think tattoos have the potential to do the same by their placement and visual elements.
So I think whatever your opinion is on modesty, tattoos miss the mark because they are immodest both in wealth and in sex.
So, I recently got a temporary tattoo--one that is applied in the same manner as a traditional tattoo, but fades within a year. I had my reasons, but one thing from this video that stands out to me is the first point, that it spurs people to get more and more tattoos. I've found in only a few days that I've gone from having little to no interest in tattoos to watching tons of tattoo videos and thinking about maybe getting more. I found that sudden change in my perspective surprising, a bit odd, and also somewhat suspicious spiritually. I try to be mindful of ways in which we can make ourselves spiritually vulnerable, and I just have to wonder if there's something spiritually relevant in this. Or is it just a very psychologically validating form of self-expression, a way of making a bold statement about what you value and find beautiful? I wasn't sure what I thought about tattoos, which is why I got a temporary one; but I've found I like it more than I expected. I understand more now why people get into them. I guess I have the rest of the year to discern the reason why.
“You can get metaphorically tattooed by your mom”…well I guess she tattooed her interest of getting tattoos onto myself 😅😂
Thoughtful and useful.
Being in the military, it’s definitively a piece of moral counterculture to refuse to get any tattoos.
I get that. Lots of people in my company have tattoos.
As an Atheist, I must admit I love the way you share your opinion. You give your points, a couple of examples.. everything with respect.
It would be great if more Christians would be like you, a solid critical sense and empathy for both sides of the coin.
The thing I would guess we agree the most is how the innate staticness of a tattoo works against it.. the world changes, you change, everything changes: marking yourself with something so permanent does show some lack of foresight.. but where we disagree is on the 'usefulness' of a tattoo, if you can call it that. I think tattooing yourself is more that instrumentalizing an idea on your own skin; it's a show of love, respect, dedication and respect even at an intellectual level.. It means you are ready to suffer pain for what you believe or enjoy, and (even if it can also come out as stubborn) I think that's admirable in a lot of levels.
the 'stacticness' can have cons, but it's also THE reason anyone would get a tattoo, obviously.. you'd think that would be the most apparent to people who believe in scripture that is 2000 - 5000 years old (not talking about you obviously lol).... tattoos are not often used this way, but they can be very practical too... like if you got Morse code or instructions for CPR tattooed on your body, or a knot tying chart... etc... I, myself, have musical charts which have really helped me.
@@OxygenBeats Wait, I'm a musician too.. what did you tattoo out of curiosity?
Anyways, I do know that Adam Savage (commonly known for Mythbusters) has a tattoo with a bunch of measurements, which is the most practical tattoo I've seen; he uses it in almost every video he posts here on youtube!
@@tiagoguinhos oh wow that's a great use for a tattoo, and exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about! That actually sounds like a really good idea; I might have to do that!
And yes I am! I have a fretboard on my right outer forearm which helps me with fingering practice and note recognition on the fretboard; I can practice at anytime without having a guitar/instrument with me. I also have piano keys on my left inner forearm which helps me visual music theory concepts and a staff+melody on my left outer forearm to help me with sight reading!
just saying thank you for taking the time to write such a loving message. Not all of us are great people, history proves it. but there are many unique gems.
As to the tattoo discussion, in the middle east women would get tattoos of crosses to help prevent Muslim men from kidnapping them and marrying them. Something i read idk if its true. also theres medical information you can get tattoo'd with that will save lives. but the old testament says this...
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
I am curious. Why did you open your comment with, "As an atheist...". Do you think that that marks you as unique? An intellectual? Brave? Given the forum I find it odd.
1Cor 6:19-20
Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who is in us and whom we received from God.
You are not your own property, ........So use your body for the glory of God.
Tattoos alter the physical creation of God!
Thank you and God bless you Fr Gregory.
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I wish I would have heard this a decade or so ago when I got my only tattoo which I hate with all my being and it's difficult to cover so it's kind of my daily reminder that impulsive decisions can have life long repercussions.
I love Christian tattoos, and when I see them I know I've met a fellow believer. Tattoos can be great for evangelization, too.
Thanks Fr.
All great points Father!
2 of the best arguments I've heard against tattoos are (1) your body is perfect & pleasing enough to God, no need to embellish it more, and (2) even if you get a Christian tattoo, we already have the Eucharist & Rosary (among other sacramentals), so there's no need to add more
I have been thinking of getting a wedding band tattoo. Nothing dramatic. Just a simple ring on my finger, because I've had problems with my actual ring catching things and causing problems.
Hi, Father Pine. What are you thoughts on Bob Lefnesky and his tattoo collection?
SPQR means Senatus (the senate) Populosque (and people) Romanorum (of Rome).
My philosophy on tattoos: I wouldn’t put a bumper sticker on a Ferrari.
Cant someone just say that yeah definitely not a bumper sticker but i would get an exotic paint job.
I think this is assuming people are ascribing too much depth to tattoos. It’s not that deep, especially if it’s just ornamental. Which, sure, that could seem vain, much like other form of grooming or beautification. I decided to get them later in life, but only of little beautiful, delicate things. I don’t regret them.
And as for people going through phases or changing-some things we still hold dear later in life. I certainly have, especially when it comes to Jesus, literature and art! As long as it isn’t something you’re putting above your relationship/walk with Christ, and that it doesn’t depict something evil, it is morally neutral. But necessary? Not at all. Just something “fun”.
I want to be like St Veronica Giuliani. She received many "tattoos" on her heart from God as she grew in her faith and love of God.
As for piercings, the only ones we should desire are the stigmata. St Veronica Giuliani also received her stigmata from rays of light from the cross that pierced her body.
There is a story of St Francis of Assisi that he appeared at the gates of heaven to receive a brother and his stigmata were shining with light.
My position on tattoos: If I am Gods, this is not my body, I can’t just draw on the temple without asking the owner of it
I prefer to maintain the absence of tattoos as a symbol of purity and humility.
Graffiti is unsightly even applied to skin.
I totally agree, Father Gregory. I'd also like to add that tattoos have a certain culture and history around them that can lead to scandal among those we encounter. Tattoo culture was very prominent in criminal rings and the early homosexual movements in the US. Even though I don't believe these groups can have an exclusive premium on the act of tattooing, I think we should bear in mind how a tattoo would affect the peace of mind of those around us, especially family members who might disapprove of them.
I don't think you should refrain from having a tattoo of something simply because it holds a past you dislike.
By that standard, no one should talk to people that dyed their hair (since that was very uncommon before), and no one should follow science (as that was considered wizardly up to the mid XIX century). Avoiding the problem is far from solving the stigma around it and I feel like its borderline irresponsible to believe otherwise.
If you have love for something, I do think its okay to show it on your body.. be a sign of pride, respect, or whatever else. Now yes, those could have moral implication.. but at that point it isn't the fault of the tattoo itself, it's the fault of the one that chose to tattoo that.
Hateful comment...you hate tattoos because you hate gays!
So sad.
God is love
I am just surprised that in this entire discussion, there is no mention of the idea of self mutilation. At the very least, it would be could to explain why this wouldn't be a case of that since you seem to not even be considering it.
Tattoos seem to take over a person's life as do drugs. Not only are they expensive, but people are branding themselves in a way that makes releasing on the past very difficult. And they are patently ugly especially on women who should not be desecrated by ink. I like to ask myself in various situations, "What would Bishop Fulton Sheen think about this?" I don't think he would be impressed about a tattoo. I used to wear a lot of rings. I was going through a time of grieving and the rings represented each grief experience. I do not wear those rings any longer because I have been healed of my grieving. So all I need to do is take off the ring.
Beautifully stated. As someone bearing his name as my confirmation name, I too often ask the question, "What would Bl. Fulton Sheen think about this...?" So far, it's never led me astray.
@@alebeau4106 beautiful choice, must have known alot to pick him. i went with Dysmas.
I think tattoos look horrible on women, but there are many who get a single tattoo and stop there. It is obvious which people are addicted to tattoos, but you wouldn't realize if someone has a single tattoo unless you've seen it.
in theory this all sounds great, sadly we don't live there (in theory) we live here, and the instruments and tools that we have in this day and age and in our personal lives is not what you beautifully describe. I wish we werer all able to have a very contemplative life so that our actions flow from that contemplation and worship, but, we carry burdens that dig deep into our lives and some times when we don't have the proper tools, the great spiritual father, an awesome psychologist or anything, a tattoo can help at that very moment of unbearable suffering, again you are correct in your appreciation and in your intuitions and knowledge yet they exist in the platonic world and not here in the hylomorphic reallity.
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
not fighting, just saying.
@@sleepystar1638When you have to bring down principles to reality is not as simple, if it was something as simple as reading a Bible passage then everybody that reads Holy Scriptures would be a Saint
@@AprendeMovimiento your right, its about understanding, but look at the way you said it" a tattoo can help at that very moment of unbearable suffering" this excuse can be used for many sins. i didnt even want to fight but you had to defend your stance. if you want the understanding you look to God not fleeting emotions.
@@sleepystar1638 I am not pro tattoos, I am actually erasing the ones I have with laser. I am just saying it from experience, we live in a post Christian era and the tools people have to manage certain things are all mostly pagan, and Christianity is not available culturally as once was. And for most people is not even reliable due to the modernist epidemic within Churches.
@@AprendeMovimiento I'd forgive it, but I'd never preach that it's ok. I'm sorry I understand, there's evil afoot and we are bickering. Love you brother please be safe and stay close to Jesus.
I got two tattoos in my early 20s, neither of them are very big and they're both in spots that can be easily covered. I don't regret them in the slightest but my opinion on tattoos has somewhat changed. I still don't mind a few tattoos, but now I think it looks kinda silly when someone has a ton of them (my opinion on tramp stamps has never changed though, always hated them). That being said, I think having a bunch of facial piercings (especially the nose and lips) is way more trashy and it's usually a major red flag.
@Sensless women with lots of facial piercings tend to be the same ones with brightly dyed hair, i.e. the hyper woke types.
@Sensless its a new age mindset, like Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll. except its far worse and prisons people in there own minds and emotions.
@Sensless basically hyper liberal moral relativists. You know, the types saying men can be women and stuff like that.
Didn’t watch this video. Appreciate the title. It felt good to be reminded that some opinions can be mild! 😆
Completely agree with Fr. Pine. Though, I would go even further than to "just" mildly discourage people from getting tattoos heheh
I posted this on FB but thought it might be useful to post direct here:
The tattoo controversy has echoes of the circumcision controversy in the early church in Acts. The Council of Jerusalem came down on the side of ambivalence regarding circumcision for Gentile believers. The ruling was that it carried no benefit. But the ruling did not forbid circumcision. Just coercion of the practice was forbidden as it fell outside the concern of the Church. Now we know tattoos are explicitly against the Mosaic Law. But as this Law has been fulfilled in Christ, what was once unclean (tattoo) might by some be interpreted as clean in Christ. Here the Church might do well to remain ambivalent. And here we see just as a Catholic might elect for circumcision for cultural or medical reasons, they may just the same desire a tattoo. Provided the subject of the tattoo remains neutral regarding Church teaching, perhaps ambivalence should win the day. Let those who want tattoos have tattoos. Let those who prefer circumcision be circumcised.
Could you comment on religious names and how they are different than self given nicknames. In the section that you mention that tattoos have the potential to be narcissistic, it seems that self chosen religious names could possibly operate in similar fashion (expressing oneself and personal devotion etc.) You touch on this as well with your example of nicknames. Thanks!
Watched the whole video, profoundly thoughtful stuff. But I thought of a simpler objection; namely, we know from Scripture that our bodies are temples of the Holy Ghost. It’s a pretty common and well-known biblical statement. It seems to me that what would extend logically from here is that anything inappropriate or sacrilegious to a temple is not permissible to our bodies. Is graffiti on a temple appropriate or permissive? No, that would be a degradation of the temple, no matter its level of artistic quality or intended meanings. Whether by ink or spray paint, there seems to be an ‘unfittingmess’ here, an incongruity with the sacral character of the bodies we’ve received. Owing to this basic Truth we have from Revelation, I think it’s warranted to prescribe more than mild discouragement; it’s at least a venial sin against Justice, probably particularly against piety.
I have a tattoo of cross with my family name to honor my adopted family, and my family who have passed on. Also my daughters names, first daughter almost died when she was born, my second daughter is our miracle baby who we prayed for after my wife had cancer and we weren't supposed to have any more babies. My wife and I prayed the rosary and prayed and she was born praise be to God. I'm thinking of getting a catholic tattoo, since I have come back after being away for over 20 years, and now madly in love of my Catholic faith. Good topic father God bless you.
hey i love you im not here to attack, its not like itll stop you from getting into heaven as far as i know. but i did read this.
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
im sorry you had to go through that, you will be with her again.
As someone who has tattoos (and will probably get more), I like his arguments and think they should be taken seriously.
I'm not mad, but I do completely disagree.
1. I have a tattoo of a fretboard on my right outer forearm - it helps me practice my fingering and note recognition on the guitar without constantly having a guitar on me.
2. I have a tattoo of piano keys on my left inner forearm - it helps me think about/visualize music theory concepts when there's no piano around and I've found it very useful.
3. I have a tattoo of a staff + melody in sheet music - it helps me practice my sight reading when I don't have any sheet music in front of me..
All of these things have been very useful for studying, learning, and growing. They also are good for marketing/branding and starting conversations with people who might be looking to work with a musician, so they help my business. I know that most people aren't this practical when getting tattoos, but I'm found them to be very helpful and don't regret them at all. I'm sure you could put translations of phrases into different languages on yourself too, to help you learn a language... I know that having a chart with chinese characters and the words they translate to would be super useful, or the same could be true with japanese or other asian languages. Perhaps I first thought of this when I first watched the show Prison Break. He put blueprints/mappings on his body, and specifically for that reason. Tattoos have incredible potential; just as much as a blank sheet of paper does, but tattoos are always with you.
The argument that "Jesus didn't write any scripture, therefore we should not write anything regarding scripture" is very weak, as you probably will admit... it means that all of the written rules/laws regarding Christianity or Catholicism (or anything else) are inherently sinful, and every single bible in existence is sinful. Writing anything down would be sinful. Libraries and museums would be places of sin, purely by the fact that they have information recorded....
I think the strongest argument you can make AGAINST tattoos is that there is a small risk of complications/infections from getting a tattoos, and that you shouldn't risk harming your body... even that wouldn't be a strong argument, because I don't think you'd agree that everyone should always act like cowards... after all, it is written that you should carry your cross and follow Jesus, right? That means putting yourself in danger.
But rather than saying tattoos are bad, I think you should focus more on "which tattoos are bad"... I don't know anyone who actually believes that reading + writing is sinful... writing something down on paper is not inherently bad; you might write something beneficial or you might write something 'sinful'... that's where your argument should really lie.
Leviticus 19:28
King James Version
28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
You and Father Mike Schmidt should have a discussion. He recently got the Jerusalem cross. You both send a confusing message for us laymen.
I have tattoos and know full well they don’t last “forever” and they’re all my own designs. Definitely don’t have regrets but as a married man and a father I could hardly justify getting any more. But as a single man I’ll spend my money how I choose.
Brian Collins
They are so worldly. Trying to be different and unique. You already are and not realizing this says you have bigger issues. So refreshing to see people who didn’t follow the world
Are you claiming that _all_ tattooing is done for the purpose of being 'different and unique'? And, if yes have you an argument in support of that claim that you are willing to proffer?
Cheers! :)
The truth!!
I realized I don't want any tattoos by not getting any, and years afterwards, realizing the ideas I had had for tattoos now seemed stupid to me. Tattoos are like a snapshot. You get a tattoo that reflects a moment in your life, and you keep it even though in a few years you will not be that person anymore. Something that is very meaningful for you in 2010 may not be meaningful for you anymore in the future.
They are mostly a source of regret.
I guess that I am of the old fashioned school of thought. I really dislike tattoos. Primarily just because I think that they are incredibly ugly. This may result from my having visited Auschwitz when I was very young. I saw a horrifying display of actual lamp shades made by the Nazis from the skin of victims. Second, I believe that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. And I don't want my temple marred by graffiti. Finally, given the nature of our mortal coils, skin eventually goes south as we age, and there are other skin changes, too. Once jokingly I told my younger brother that I was thinking about getting a tattoo on my butt that would say , "Never Again". He cautioned me against it. He said, "when you are in the nursing home, I don't want to have to explain why you have "No Rogaine" tattooed on your butt. ....thus, ink with caution.☮️
You've actually never seen a human-skin lampshade made by Nazis. They don't exist.
Hahaha 😂 I agree 💯
Whether you see it as graffiti or as a mural or a fine painting is entirely a matter of opinion I guess... it's really just a matter of your culture. Usually graffiti is done without permission... but typically people get tattooed with permission, so it's not really a good analogy, in my opinion.
@@OxygenBeats Who cares whether it's a good analogy or not? IMO tattoos are ugly. And my opinion is the only one that matters. (to me). I notice that only extremely rarely does a person stop at one tattoo. Limited canvas space. Thus likelihood that the combined effect is haphazard and ugly.
Damn you totally tagged me in those examples. I have three tattoos ( which were all gotten in the timespan of a year- a really bad year for me mentally) two to commemorate the two miscarriages I had, and the other is an ancient prayer (the trisagion) in latin. I am planning on having them removed.
I think getting the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit on the inside of one forearm and the 7 Virtues on the other would not be too bad. I'm not too smart and can get them mixed up and having them like that would like a cheat sheet for being a better person.
I have many tattoos and wish I hadn't gotten most of them, especially a facial tattoo that is a totally arbitrary symbol that can't really be covered and would cost thousands to remove. I'm getting older and as your skin ages so does your ink and mostly not in an attractive fashion. These all had "meaning" when I got them, but I had dropped away from the church. I've since returned and now everything has changed. I urge you to sincerely pray about any ink before getting it. 🙏🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Oh i would like to hear him say they are tacky....that word has obviously fallen out of use
Oh yes-the narcissistic part is so true. But also have a rather skewed sense of “art”. Some tattoos seem intended to disturb-obviously-and I question the sociability of those folks who are compelled to get them. Displaying one on one’s body draws attention and I have found that those tattoos are on all kinds of people, depressed, resentful, needy or even overtly boisterous people ego like to dominate their world. It is like too much of a good thing if it is emotional much. And they are really expensive!!
I have two tattoos, one of which is Disney themed and was done in a very tastefully (sparse) decorated former train station in which Walt and his new wife caught the train shortly after their wedding! The walls of said tattoo “parlor” are not plastered with skulls, nudity and devils-like a place you’d think was a pirate’s brothel down on the waterfront somewhere. Oh no. It is artistic, tasteful, and with minimal signage and wall art which was essential for me in choosing the place wherein the tattoo was done.
And the other tattoo is of a pair of pence nez with G.K. Chesterton’s signature which has become well-known for its unique character and style. It is just inside my left arm (and where the tattoo is close to my heart). I can show it to others or not.
"Anna Karenina is about jumping in front of trains." Sign me up for Fr. Pine's Book Club, lol
My tattoos are a rite of passage for me. Almost all of them are hidden. I still want to make some more for special events (like if I get married or have kids).
So Leviticus 19:28 does not apply any longer?
I'm in my 50's. Got my 1st at 19. Got my 2nd 20 years later. My last tattoo 15 years ago. My 1st was of a drawing I did a lot as a kid. My 2nd is my marriage bond. A ring just won't cut it for me. Opinion is your perspective in life.
Self mutilation is a sin against the 5th Commandment and is like a form of self hatred. Tattooing is along these lines
My comment, referencing an OT verse, got pushed into the older section of the comments!