Dwarfs Unit Roster Updated Tier List

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    Tier List ranking the Dwarfs roster including the new units. Let me know your thoughts in the comments below.
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  • @LegendofTotalWar
    @LegendofTotalWar  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +104

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    • @thorgrimgrudgebearer6757
      @thorgrimgrudgebearer6757 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Thanks for always being there to help shave my grudges on a discount Legend

    • @christopherhu7189
      @christopherhu7189 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Shaving product in a dwarf video.😂😂😂

    • @slimjim2982
      @slimjim2982 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I just bought new manscape stuff didn’t realize you’re still partnering with them. That going in the book of grudges.

    • @Didacmmv
      @Didacmmv 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're the best, much love

    • @lmao_nope
      @lmao_nope 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a grudgin'!

  • @alleeeeeerlover
    @alleeeeeerlover 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2926

    Having Manscape in a dwarf video goes in the book

    • @maximum9977
      @maximum9977 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Manscape is for balls and butthole, not for beard

    • @birdofgrey6542
      @birdofgrey6542 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +215

      footage of a beard being shaved? time for a reckonin'

    • @draconomega
      @draconomega 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +78

      They don't sell only shaving equipment, they also sell beard shampoo, and conditioner! They clearly are an allie to the dawi's mighty beards!

    • @BaalBandit
      @BaalBandit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ive never thought of a dwarves pubes until now. Its probably still hard to tell apart male and female dwarfs even when having a look

    • @De_Wit
      @De_Wit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      This goes in the book!
      That goes in the book! Everything goes in the book!!
      MHUAHAHAHAH!!!
      (Laughs in Dawi)

  • @555sarin
    @555sarin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +913

    It took him longer to make this list because he need to test them against the Arachnarok Spider in his basement.

    • @booradley6832
      @booradley6832 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Please, he lives in Australia. The Arachnarok wouldnt survive 5 minutes there.

    • @curticusmaximus
      @curticusmaximus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      ​​@@booradley6832 He posted a picture of an actual spider in his basement. And joked that it was an arachnarok spider

    • @Thot-Slayer-420
      @Thot-Slayer-420 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@curticusmaximusthat's because arachnarok spiders wouldn't survive 5 minutes with australians

    • @guilliman1990
      @guilliman1990 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct they are just the baby ones​@booradley6832

  • @halwakka504
    @halwakka504 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +416

    7:23 I have never, ever used longbeards with great weapons until this DLC came out. Trying a full stack of them with Mikael Leadstrong (the unique lord you get as a reward for one of the new grudges) and they're tearing shit apart; them being able to replenish troops normally on enemy territory is the icing on the cake. I love the idea of an army of angry old men, stomping furiously on other peoples' lawns.

    • @Garret007
      @Garret007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ty, gotta try that out

    • @easytanksgaming3238
      @easytanksgaming3238 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      ​@Garret007 its fun and little bit refreshing for dawi armies - going FULL MELEE, especialy not naked - interesting style for shorties ;3
      But they didnt go really mad and cant be insulted like doomstack. Very strong armies still beat em no matter your tactics, just stats

    • @Muzzle801
      @Muzzle801 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doomstack video... Doit... Do-it...

    • @Lones555
      @Lones555 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Well done but you've made your army weaker. Great weapon variants trade poorly vs lower tier infantry, you'd get much the same results with shielded longbeards against higher tier infantry and you'd get next to no losses vs lower tier infantry.

    • @H41030v3rki110ny0u
      @H41030v3rki110ny0u 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      @@Lones555 yeah but 2-handed axe bigger so....

  • @wclinton93
    @wclinton93 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +199

    I was wondering what was going on with the top of S tier being cut off the whole video. Didn't disappoint lol.

    • @piotrjurewicz8181
      @piotrjurewicz8181 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Had same thought

    • @arkine11
      @arkine11 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Me too, noticed the ranger's head was cut off and it was irritating me lol

    • @jonatanpersson82
      @jonatanpersson82 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I tried to zoom out on my phone because it looked weird! But was not disappointed

  • @Costin_Gaming
    @Costin_Gaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    Chaos: We have plagues.
    Dwarfs: We have Apache Attack Helicopters

  • @HH-hd7nd
    @HH-hd7nd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +97

    One thing about the Doomseekers: They have Vanguard which means you can do some pretty cool Doomseeker/Ranger shenanigans now.

    • @neilfox3208
      @neilfox3208 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Especially with Gortek and Felix having vanguard and with the gyrocopters having it too. With Maliki

    • @unmeclambda5837
      @unmeclambda5837 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@neilfox3208 gyros and thunderbarges get vanguard deploy in the tech tree, you don't even need to play as malakai

    • @jobvermuyen5382
      @jobvermuyen5382 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And magic attacks which makes them daemon slayers in a multiple entity unit lol.

    • @Lancelot2000Lps
      @Lancelot2000Lps 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have no stalk also no thanks they should not stay near rangers.

    • @HH-hd7nd
      @HH-hd7nd 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Lancelot2000Lps They can be hidden in woods, they don't need stalk. Just in case you don't know - units in trees are hidden unless they are big monsters.
      I've used rangers to great effect luring enemy units into my Doomstalkers waiting in the trees. Quite a few people in the Multiplayer community use them that way as well.
      Just because you are oncapable of inventing effective and creative tactics doesn't mean no one else can.

  • @lmao_nope
    @lmao_nope 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    Trollhammer Gyros delete mounted lords, they delete single entity monsters, they delete units of monsters, they delete EVERYTHING larger than infantry except for cavalry units. I routinely had a single unit of those Gyros remove more than half of a Troll unit's HP in a single salvo. And the best part? You get them by *turn 15.* Turn-fucking-fifteen. I honestly I think they're on par with Thunderbarges because of that - they will carry you in battles long before Thunderbarges take over.

    • @khelgarironfist3301
      @khelgarironfist3301 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They are like real life apaches or something. Sick accuracy and damage. More fantasy than magic.

    • @colbunkmust
      @colbunkmust 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      They do pretty well against cavalry too, they just take longer to do it, and with engineers in the army you'll always have enough ammo.

    • @Loj84
      @Loj84 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@colbunkmust true, but assuming we’re talking about a high-entity cavalry unit, it generally makes more sense to kill them with copters or bombers. Both do well against high-entity cavalry, and you only get so many trollhammers.

    • @rolfkarlsson276
      @rolfkarlsson276 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Worried about artilery? Just send these over to delete them while your army is out of range.

    • @lmao_nope
      @lmao_nope 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So I just did the Skaven adventure final battle. Took 3 trollhammer gyros with me. They got 18.8k, 16.5k, and 24k GOLD value in damage done. Not damage dealt, GOLD VALUE. They are unspeakably good. I have to take back that thing about thunderbarges taking over - sure, the blimps are awesome, but those insane gyros keep their value when they appear.

  • @chrish.4701
    @chrish.4701 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +222

    Finally the dwarves have their super units (in addition to organ cannons, iron breakers and co.), which the dwarves have long deserved.

    • @fedyx1544
      @fedyx1544 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      I'm just glad their super unit is something actually thematic and not a bs "rune guardian" Gork Idol ripoff

    • @IainDoherty51
      @IainDoherty51 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@fedyx1544 Personally I've been running a mod that added Rune Golems as a Monstrous Infantry/Cavalry unit to the Dawi Roster, with them being limited by the number of Rune Workshops you have in your settlements.
      Felt really good to give them something that can be fast but has relatively low acceleration, as they fill the niche that the hammerers were supposed to fill as an infantry flanker or linebreaker unit. Limiting them by runesmith workshops also was a nice bit of lore friendliness, and stopped you spamming them out early on since they rely on you having multiple T3-T5 buildings to get even a handful.
      The biggest thing is that they felt very different to trolls or other similar monstrous infantry units

    • @TaRAAASHBAGS
      @TaRAAASHBAGS 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      ​@@fedyx1544 Glad CA didn't cave to the redditors begging for pig cavalry or rune dragons because they can't play the game unless a faction is good at everything.

    • @adustygreasyandsweatybonnet
      @adustygreasyandsweatybonnet 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TaRAAASHBAGSsame I’m glad CA stuck to their guns and didn’t give to people crying for monstrous infantry for the dwarves.

    • @gottagofastest
      @gottagofastest 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@TaRAAASHBAGS Not to mention diluting faction flavour

  • @jakubs.5966
    @jakubs.5966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +116

    Flying doomstacks are now a thing, and they are just so strong. Malakai+2 engineers+2 gyrobombers+2 brimstone guns+2 trollhammers + rest gyrocopters will deal with anything. You could probably skip brimstones and bombers, but I like to have variety just in case there is some regenerating unit.

    • @lukeherbst7931
      @lukeherbst7931 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Swap out regular gyrocopters with thunderbarges

    • @IainDoherty51
      @IainDoherty51 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      My endgame doomstack for him was 6 Trollhammer Gyros and the rest thunderbarges after the Engineers and Malakai... and it sorta just rolls over 4 full stacks even after the downgrades they received

    • @R3GARnator
      @R3GARnator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Vampire Counts: Hehe, I'm in danger!

    • @TheDarthMarko
      @TheDarthMarko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@R3GARnator laughs in vampire hero stack from turn 5

    • @jakubs.5966
      @jakubs.5966 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@lukeherbst7931 That's another one. But you can start the game with gyrocopters rolling, so quickly. I tend to leave that stack going around, cheap and efficient..

  • @benedeknagy8497
    @benedeknagy8497 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +46

    The problem with the grudge-rakers is not the knokdown effect (Chorf blunderbusses work fine), but that they fire 2 shot bursts. The first volley knocks everything down making the second volley ineffective. Essentially halving their damage output against infantry.

    • @Loj84
      @Loj84 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I wonder if they could make the two shots different. First shot is simply high damage, second shot is the one that knocks stuff down.

    • @revolutic
      @revolutic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      True. Knockdown sucks. On larger target short ranger works great.

    • @3_am___
      @3_am___ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@revolutic SHORT???

    • @revolutic
      @revolutic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@3_am___ mega short :)

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +181

    You ask me Dwarfs come up short compared to Chaos Dwarfs. Especially since Chaos Dwarfs have bigger hats.

  • @BaalBandit
    @BaalBandit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    The Thunderbarge doomstack is probably the most fun ive had in total war. I know theyre op but I even enjoy the journey and anticipation of unlocking them. The Urks dont stand a chance!

    • @graljoffrewithoutanarmy860
      @graljoffrewithoutanarmy860 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The Urks aren't even worthy, but it's still so much fun seeing them get flattened by a Thunderbarge armada.

    • @diarrheadan3601
      @diarrheadan3601 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don’t even run full doomstacks of them, 4-6 supplemented with a balanced ground force is more than enough to take on most of the factions dwarves go against.

    • @ComfortingColourlessLight
      @ComfortingColourlessLight 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Most fun I ever had from the end game crises was easily wiping out 4 full stacks of skaven

    • @BaalBandit
      @BaalBandit หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@neildeeley4177 You watch legend but disagree with doomstacks? You sound like the "staunch line of spears" guy. Do you ever make it to late campaign on a higher difficulty?
      Bloody Wazzock!

  • @typhongaeci9435
    @typhongaeci9435 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I also feel like it’s inportant to mention that the trollhammer torpedo gyrocopters are amazing for sieges, given that they almost 1 shot enemy towers, and with their speed and flight they can get to any tower before it finishes building to kill it instantly. Very helpful if you’re taking your time and pummeling enemies on the walls before entering. Same goes for enemy artillery as well, I once saved a siege by having them immediately hunt down and kill a dreadquake mortar, killed it in maybe two salvos.

  • @FandangoJon
    @FandangoJon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks, Legend! I'm playing my first Dwarf campaign now and this is really helpful.

  • @ecargfosreya
    @ecargfosreya 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    Can we all agree that the troll hammer gyrocopter is the best unit for the Dwarves for the price?

    • @Garret007
      @Garret007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      agree, also I love how much ammo the normal gyrocopter has, very price efficient

    • @Garret007
      @Garret007 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@windflier1684 I think they aren't anymore since the last patch. Also, price could mean the upkeep as well..

    • @lucifenxarthos625
      @lucifenxarthos625 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The only thing holding them back is that you need a 100% grudges settled for a single one. So best case scenario one every 15 turns.

    • @Loj84
      @Loj84 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lucifenxarthos625 I hate that they nerfed how many grudge settlers you can get by increasing the duration of each age. They need to make it so that if you hit 100%, you immediately get the rewards and a new age starts.

  • @donbires4470
    @donbires4470 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for the updated tier list! I appreciate these aren't easy to do and they are a huge help!

  • @noneofyourbusiness7965
    @noneofyourbusiness7965 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Been waiting on this one!

  • @winner0485
    @winner0485 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your explanation is so good that it opens my mind and thinking differently.

  • @darthnihilus6211
    @darthnihilus6211 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For the Grudgesettler Hammerers, I would put the recruitment speed into consideration. Huge upgrade from 2 turns to instant.

  • @Folgeantrag
    @Folgeantrag 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderful that you update your Roster Tier video for the dawi

  • @alotosius
    @alotosius 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    SHWORT!?
    IN THE BOOK!

  • @Folgeantrag
    @Folgeantrag 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The Thunder Barge/Spirit of Grugni are not only excessivly powerful and look amazing but its playstyle to fligh over the enemy and bomb them to pieces is also very satisfy. The only point which caused me some pain in several battles is friendly fire with the bombing run. If you drop explosives in a melee fight your Dawi will also suffer. But this absolut realistic and as player i can handle this by careful stearing and choosing targets wisely

  • @Kb0montty2
    @Kb0montty2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've been waiting for this one. Thank you!

  • @tym6217
    @tym6217 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I like Bolt Throwers for Thorek because of his unique buffs for them, but other than that I agree they're pretty worthless. It is nice that they at least updated the Dwarf lord's red skill tree to lump Bolt Throwers into the same red skill as all the other artillery. It was so obnoxious that you had to spec into a completely different red skill for them before.

    • @MasterElements
      @MasterElements 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I used to recruit them to snipe enemy lords in the early game, they won't kill a orc warboss but they will wittle his HP to the point that when he hits your line a single salvo from a ranged unit will also start affecting his leadership. I feel like they should be anti-large anti-air with more entities for more shots to be good vs bats/harpies or any kind of flying cavalry.

    • @tym6217
      @tym6217 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MasterElements Honestly, all they need to do is give it access to single shot ammo, and scatter shot ammo the same way the dark elf and high elf bolt throwers work. That would probably be enough of a buff to make the dwarf bolt throwers more interesting.

    • @praisethesun.praisedeussol6051
      @praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tym6217 that would be lore breaking

  • @drewltinder9872
    @drewltinder9872 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    S-Tier for the grudge settler irondrake is spot on. I did 120K damage in 1 battle with them lol.

  • @ValtheJean
    @ValtheJean 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Hey Legend, there's a new Dwarf Lord trait which you might find interesting, specifically for Hammerers. It's called "Wealthy" I'm fairly sure, but it boosts Hammerers a bit, and with the new Dwarf Lord skill points, you can get a ton of extra power out of them.

    • @warallied
      @warallied 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      what does it do exactly?

    • @ValtheJean
      @ValtheJean 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@warallied I don't remember specifically, but I believe it gives them 5% ward save and reduced recruitment cost. I'd need to check.

    • @warallied
      @warallied 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ValtheJean got to wonder if thats actually better than what thorgrim gives tho

    • @ValtheJean
      @ValtheJean 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@warallied not sure. But regardless, Thorgrim can't be everywhere on the map at once.

    • @persiancarpet5535
      @persiancarpet5535 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does it work on heroes?

  • @Phil-mk6kb
    @Phil-mk6kb 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Tier lists are back in town baby. Although i heavily disagree with 1 pick: the rangers (not bugmanns). both of the green hooded rangers should be 1 tier lower imho. In single battles having more munitions is more useful then having some stealth (no snipe tho). And in the campaign? well theyre even worse there, because the ranger building is a tier 3 building. So you get all the rangers at the same tier, and that sucks, because why would you go with rangers when you probably running loads of Quarrelers, thunderers and Irondrakes already? Or when you get BUGMANN in the same tier? utterly redundant. The only "fix" for rangers would be to have a 2 step ranger building with the first step unlocked at tier 2 (or maybe 1) and have the rangers in them, and then the second step at tier 3 has the bugmanns. Addendum: i overlooked that the patch actually DID bring a 2 tier ranger buildings, although im not surre exactly when, because i dont remember it being at ToD patch release. Mistake on my part.

    • @halwakka504
      @halwakka504 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      The ranger setup is like that if you play Belegar's campaign. He has a tier 1 building that allows rangers and a tier 3 for Bugmans.

    • @piotrjurewicz8181
      @piotrjurewicz8181 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I'm not sure if we are plaing same game, but in mine rangers build have two tiers (2nd and 3rd settelment level). And I belive normal rangers are tier 2.
      But I kinda agree that their stelth aren't as usefull as more amo and armor that quareles have.
      They're usefull only if you build full stack of them and use stelth+snipe. But then why not just skip normal rangers and go to Bugman ones?

    • @msyc2961
      @msyc2961 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe the update added a tier two Ranger building for the green hoods

    • @colbunkmust
      @colbunkmust 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Stalk is very strong because the AI doesn't know how to counter it. LoTW has shown this with rangers and other unit types like sneaky skulkers where forcing the AI to hunt down the stalking units break's the decision-making the AI has.

    • @IVIRnathanreilly
      @IVIRnathanreilly 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@colbunkmustBingo, it acts like they don't exist when it can't see them. Then forgets they exist when they're hidden again.
      They're effectively immune to ranged damage.

  • @Balorian
    @Balorian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome list, thank you!

  • @ghozt141TF
    @ghozt141TF หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brother congratulations ive been watching you since you wee little days showing us how to glitch medieval 2 you’ve grown soo large

  • @baptistedargaud5649
    @baptistedargaud5649 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey legend great tier list. I was wondering if you could do a type of video showing basically army tier for factions. For example early, mid, late game army composition and doom stack/crapstack.

  • @IainDoherty51
    @IainDoherty51 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Having even 1-2 of the Grudge Settler Quarrellers in an army using the regular sort is a huge buff for the entire army since their debuff also helps the regular ones

  • @RandomAussie-dx9fj
    @RandomAussie-dx9fj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I really hope we get some more shogun 2 vids soon. Nice video, by the way

  • @spike_667
    @spike_667 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Seeing Legend have fun in a Dwarf campaign and then doing additional content on them so soon *chef's kiss*

  • @itsDolphincat
    @itsDolphincat 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm a simple man, I see a tier list from Legend, I watch it.

  • @geherrit1989
    @geherrit1989 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Brimstone gun early game is amazing, kinda falls of at the later parts of the campaign just like you mentioned. But raining flamethrowers down your enemies is easily the most fun you can have as a dwarf - also extremely strong if you can get enemies to swarm a hero/lord.

  • @tzeentch7118
    @tzeentch7118 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What I found Flame Cannons good at is that they absolutely melt buildings and them having damage split across multiple projectiles flying after each other makes them less susceptible to overkill.

  • @harrisondomett3930
    @harrisondomett3930 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love the tier lists.

  • @AntonBGaming
    @AntonBGaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Literally laughed out loud at the Thunderbarger tier. Another great video!

  • @013wolfwarrior
    @013wolfwarrior 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dwarf Mines are also good for gates, I used them instead of waiting to build a ram

    • @EagleScoutmano
      @EagleScoutmano 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So in a stack with 5 infantry, you replace one. Garbage unit with no utility except to skip sieges? Still a garbage unit.

  • @milansvancara
    @milansvancara 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great! more unit tier lists please:)

  • @PenguinWithInternetAccess
    @PenguinWithInternetAccess 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    16:30 on the quarellers/quarellers great weapons subject, the great weapons variant also doesn't have shields, making them worse in the cases they're being fired at

    • @antcig
      @antcig 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Just for that I would have put them at D tier. Getting them attacked by large unit is something you should avoid and probably the sign that the battle is lost, whereas range unit duel are somewhat expected. They cost more and perform worse than their shiel variant, thus they should never be recruited.

  • @bortmode
    @bortmode 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just a couple thoughts about miners - vanguard deployment can be somewhat useful, and specifically in Belegar's campaign you get a huge recruit rank bonus to them via Copper Mountain and that extra veterancy plus his upkeep penalty can make them worth recruiting early on.

  • @Loj84
    @Loj84 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Another thing that makes the grudge settler grudge throwers even stronger is that, due to the way the shrapnel shots work, they have an even higher arc.
    In sieges, this makes it incredibly easy to shoot over the walls. In field battles, this lets them shoot over obstacles, but more importantly it means they can continue firing at enemy infantry after the lines have met. They might not fire automatically as they think they’re obstructed, but if you target the ground instead, they will do next to no friendly fire.

  • @GamerRMT
    @GamerRMT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was really cool to see. I ALMOST sent in a doomstack I made a little while ago after the dwarf update consisting of Grombrindal with a mix of grudge settler irondrakes and trollhammer torpedoes, with a bunch of heroes (mostly engineers) mixed in. I wasn't quite confident enough in it to submit it, but I highly recommend it to anybody who need a break from spamming flying war machines.

    • @TheBoxGhost_tm
      @TheBoxGhost_tm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You should put thanes in that army if you haven' tried it. They have a skill that gives comical amounts of ammo to irondrake units.

    • @GamerRMT
      @GamerRMT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheBoxGhost_tm Yeah, my thanes were basically acting as my frontline. It's worked out really well, though it's a little vulnerable to melee rush armies like Khorne and Slaanesh.

  • @GiantBelgian
    @GiantBelgian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something I very much miss in these tier lists are a mention of the different lords and heroes. yeah, they work different from units cause you mostly pick them for their army buffs, but going over the different options each one provides and the advantages/disadvantages of them compared to each other would be a help for folks looking at these lists to learn the strengths and pitfalls of a faction they've never really played before. Legendary ones might be a bit much since they come with a whole slew of faction benefits to take into account too, but including the generic variants would be a very welcome addition

  • @Cleanrotknight456
    @Cleanrotknight456 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tierlists are back!

  • @SaltySam34
    @SaltySam34 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve been looking forward to this😎

  • @theholyroman6283
    @theholyroman6283 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Missed these tier list videos

  • @balverine07
    @balverine07 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was wondering why the top of the video seemed to be weirdly formatted until the very end, cheeky lol

  • @Tridelo100
    @Tridelo100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The thunderbarges did get some significant nerfs last patch in the form of less HP, less armor, tripled damage on the afterburner (With 30s cooldown and turn rate reduction) and I believe a fix that now makes shots hitting the balloon actually damage them. Their superior firepower is still untouched, though.

  • @Eliwood29
    @Eliwood29 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had some troll hammer gyrocopters shoot at a snotling pump wagon unit and it took them down to 1 wagon in 1 volley those things are nasty I love it

  • @JustGetAHous
    @JustGetAHous 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ive only played dwarves as thorek in wh2 (which i ended up using every unit) but I have to add my experience with bolt throwers: I had warrior/quarreler/grudge thrower armies which rolled everything skaven and then I got to lizardmen and got absolutely wiped by stegadons. The glass cannon playstyle of slayers is so unappealing in a dwarf army so i only had bolts and they saved my campaign until I was able to get cannons. Depends on your early game enemy, but helpful unit.

  • @skyz6708
    @skyz6708 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I really hope the Thunderbarge doesn't get nerfed too hard, yeah it's stupid OP but it's so fun and being so late game it's not that big of a deal.

    • @courtlycard6556
      @courtlycard6556 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hell 3000 gold and 3 turns torecruit.need teir five settlement and teir five recruitment bulding.they should be strong af

  • @kleen8803
    @kleen8803 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just finished world dom with dwarfs. i really love the slayer hero and doomseekers, love that you can now make armys that is not a corner afk comp.Dwarfs now have alot of options that works in legendary. for artillery i dont really see any reason to get anything other then cannons:P The shorties are in a great spot.

  • @beardedfreckle
    @beardedfreckle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Glad to see a tier list. Maybe a tier list for races in need of a rework the most next?

    • @Muzzle801
      @Muzzle801 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's racist. Shame on you.

    • @rency1803
      @rency1803 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Probably brettonia and all of the elves

    • @anon4854
      @anon4854 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Dwarfs already need a rework. The new AoR system is complete garbage.

    • @BittermanAndy
      @BittermanAndy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@anon4854 eh, it's not great, but you can pretty much just play normally without paying it much attention and benefit from occasional bonuses. It's not garbage, like Dark Elf slaves or Lizardmen world-nexus (or whatever it's called) or literally the entire Norse faction. Dwarfs are fine now.

    • @anon4854
      @anon4854 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@BittermanAndy I mean if you have to ignore a central gameplay feature it's not fine...
      Especially when it can be fixed by giving the player agency on when to start an AoR like the Greenskin Waaagh mechanic and then have a cooldown.

  • @hakobian2162
    @hakobian2162 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Legendoftotalwar's tier lists are the best. Period.

  • @NvJinx
    @NvJinx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My experience with gyros is that the regular steam gun ones take absolutely forever to deal noticeable amount of damage, since they have a low rate of fire and seem to not have any kind of splash. They do have armor piercing but I don't really find that as valuable since as dwarfs you have a ton of anti-armor options. Brimstone guns have issues with ammunition but they can deal a ton of burst damage and morale shock to masses of low armor infantry which I find very useful in quickly breaking enemy blobs in tight situations. I just find it more important for helis to be quick responders for clutch situations rather than as slowly consistent damage dealers. Instead of the regular steam gun ones I'd just get another regiment of missile infantry, or a barge which will destroy everything.

  • @ruru_dake6490
    @ruru_dake6490 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The rome total War ost in the background have me a huge nostalgia. Didnt play this game in 15 years or more

  • @JHouston62
    @JHouston62 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Put one thunderbarge in each army and it can still basically ensure whatever theater that army is in goes your way

  • @kreuzrittergottes9336
    @kreuzrittergottes9336 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    lovvve tier lists!

  • @pimentinha1121
    @pimentinha1121 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think the 600 range is due to the fact that they are the mercenary units, Malakai's Adventurer mercenaries have special properties, like the cannons have the "dig in" abilities and the thunderbarges dont have upkeep
    also the Longbeards grudge settlers have expert charge defense

  • @maxanderson8872
    @maxanderson8872 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like using a couple quarrellers with shields on the flanks and a unit of quareller great weps behind them. If the enemy doesnt flank, great. If they do, they hit a shield unit and they will be shot/charged by great weps. That only works early game or against low armour factions, but i find it works decently well

  • @LordeCego
    @LordeCego 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was waiting this vid

  • @raidenartworks7191
    @raidenartworks7191 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I get putting thunderbarge in super strong, but having been fighting with nurgle in my Malakai campaign, the Exalted Plaguebearers and their ranged attack (which I think shouldn't be able to target air like Iron Breakers) will actually melt these things fairly quick. Yea you can up their ranged defense but I don't normally micromanage my units like that so when I go up against nurgle late or mid game and they already have a Frontline of ExPBs, then my airship just sits in the back waiting for a lord to chuck a harpoon at.

  • @qwerty4899
    @qwerty4899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any plans on covering the new empire roster? Love the video

  • @ZenobiaofPalmyra
    @ZenobiaofPalmyra 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To be fair I think the grudgerakers are supposed to be some sort of front line skirmisher, who fire a salvo and retreat to set up another one. But yeah, I can't imagine the execution is that great on them.

  • @LorePlayingGames
    @LorePlayingGames 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When you said that Slayers will die you made me think how cool it would be if there was a mechanic that would count slayer unit that died in your service, that would count toward some goals, like bigger recruitment xp for future slayer units, reduced recruit cost etc. It would reflect the interest the slayers would have in a leader who succesfully helps them find their doom, while at the same time mechanically help us replenish their number, and not care so much about the whole unit dying out, which I certainly do all the time.

  • @daemonbane1
    @daemonbane1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brimstone Gyros seems to be mostly built for clearing up light, high model count troops (gobbos, gnoblars) and are great at clearing up the chaff units tanking for vampire and other fire weakness melee units (zombies, dryads) they're much faster at it than regular Gyros, so I find its worth having 1 or 2 units, but no more.

  • @gregoryshinn9805
    @gregoryshinn9805 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video

  • @robalo2779
    @robalo2779 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The symetry of the tier list in 13:40 is oddly pleasing

  • @Flopzalot
    @Flopzalot 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From what I've seen with gyrobombers, they're nuts at killing infantry sized single entities. Not sure if you've used them in that roll much, but it seems very strong to me.

  • @Zayl1016
    @Zayl1016 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Quarrelers do make fantastic early game doomstacks. Treat them like trashier Sisters Doomstack and checkerboard them. They have solid enough melee stats to hold enough for other quarrelers to decimate the opponent and have a healthy amount of buffs through research and other stuff.

  • @hyper_5pace902
    @hyper_5pace902 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey legend, please could you also do this list for factions like Khorne, Nurgle and Cathay who have also had a lot of updated units and mechanics since your last tier lists of them

  • @Heincinqsix
    @Heincinqsix 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Range units can also be buffed by engineer wich is really good for slayer pirate who can become really fast while doing tons of damage from afar !

  • @warallied
    @warallied 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Finally the dwarves looks like their thematic and lore is meant to be. The ancient rulers of the old world, a ex super power in decline but still not to be thrifled with.

    • @TheDarthMarko
      @TheDarthMarko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lol no

    • @warallied
      @warallied 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheDarthMarko lol yes

    • @TheDarthMarko
      @TheDarthMarko 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well boyfan, they were never rulers of the world, on peak of their civilzation they were trading with Elves and they shared power. Once the trade was off (war of the beard) they heavily declined (from Gotrek's mounth). Now they are fcked from all sides - Skaven, Greenskins and Chaos and giant frog at the and farted and destroyed them.

  • @matthewneuendorf5763
    @matthewneuendorf5763 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've definitely noticed that the Grudgerakers don't live up to their missile damage rating. I suspect that the knockdown effect explains the discrepancy. Their damage relies on dumping a series of shots in a very short period, and if most of those shots are hitting knocked over enemies then they're losing out on some or even most of their damage potential.

  • @jonnycroft7428
    @jonnycroft7428 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hammerers and Ironbreakers remind me of the English Knights or Armoured Swordsmen dilemma in Medieval 2. You’re almost always better with the Shielded unit but the other is just so much cooler.

  • @benjamincwiggins
    @benjamincwiggins 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Legend Tier Lists are backkkkk 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @Loj84
    @Loj84 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a case for brimstone gyros against missile infantry. High DPS missile infantry can really hurt your gyros by the time they’re able to kill it off. Brimstones may have low ammo, but they also have very high DPS against high-entity infantry, which means you can take out missile infantry before it starts to hurt.
    I’d definitely say they’re the worst of the gyros, but they can still be useful.

  • @gsauwce5488
    @gsauwce5488 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Goblin Hewers at A tier…always knew legend was a man of culture

  • @DwarfElvishDiplomacy
    @DwarfElvishDiplomacy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like putting the Grudge Hewers in Slayer armys for Anti Air and to bait cav in

  • @thescottsman1996
    @thescottsman1996 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    40:45, HAHA, I was wondering about the weird crop on the top of S tier.
    yeah the thunderbarges, and to a lesser extent the empire land ships are just nuts

  • @patrikules1937
    @patrikules1937 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Those trollhammer copters man...
    I used one for the first time fighting Skraag and I sent it forward right clicked on Skraag then went back to fiddle with my front line for like 15s then I looked back and Skraag was gone and a group of ironguts was broken running for their lives.
    Favorite unit.

  • @samuellear4188
    @samuellear4188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Legend tier list video... I watch. Please do tamurkhan next!

  • @nicoium6698
    @nicoium6698 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The old icons look so much better then these new cartoon slayers.

  • @jonatanpersson82
    @jonatanpersson82 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    38:17 and lords like archaeon, had a pretty tough fight with archaeon in my malakai campaign and archaeon attacker me in the back after beating Boris, but one trollhammer torpedo unit saved that battle for me!

  • @thomaslitwinski3903
    @thomaslitwinski3903 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice work.

  • @ho8ojoe8
    @ho8ojoe8 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just couldn't get the slayer pirates to perform well, which is a shame because I think they are so cool.
    Also I'd love to try some of these new dwarf tactics out but I can't stop myself from running some with half stacks of base gyrocopters, ai doesn't think it's very strong so almost always attacks it, gets destroyed and then sends another army. Such a fun unit

  • @ProtomanButCallMeBlues
    @ProtomanButCallMeBlues 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    for multi I've seen Bolt Throwers only be used for sniping squishy casters or something like a bone giant because it has . I'm not sure I even see them all that much anymore since it's not that much cheaper than a grudge thrower and it has much less range.

  • @daikoncash
    @daikoncash 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Never noticed that the cannon has a goblin head on a spike on the art, nice touch

  • @whereswaldo6396
    @whereswaldo6396 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you going to do a new empire tier list too? Would be interested to know your thoughts on the new empire units and the amethyst units

  • @JheredStern
    @JheredStern 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There is a skavin mod that has skavin zepplins that perform very much like the new thunder barges. They also have tanks and gatlin walkers too...they sound op but they are actually decent

  • @ShadowWalker-ng1it
    @ShadowWalker-ng1it 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About the gyrocopters (troll hammer) they are so fast at killing stuff in my onw campaign in one battle I ordered 4 of them to attack malus and then went to another unit to give an order before going back to the copters and while I was panning the camera slightly back to them I had the notification malus died

  • @buffalo1423
    @buffalo1423 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blasting charges make the miners pretty op early on because you can have like half your army be them and they basically delete the first charge against goblins and basic orcs. Also great against zombies

  • @Huntron-go1bw
    @Huntron-go1bw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Got full vic in 130 turns wit Thorgrim but I've only struck 6 grudges.
    Druki have almost taken the dounut had about 20 armies tryna finish the elves off.
    Sent the white dwarf with thunderbarge doom stack, and it won a lot.
    But there were too many battles I couldn't heal em fast enough.
    And they had so many shade stacks.
    I had to retreat and regroup.
    I've only lost about 10 overall so far.
    But the troll hammer shot on them hits blackdragons like a truck.

  • @jackeriksen6753
    @jackeriksen6753 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lol!, I was really annoyed by the S tier being to high in the frame until the end of the vid.
    Thanks Legend!

  • @aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa69
    @aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa69 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:34 dwarfs can cap spell resistance extremely easily now with thungni runesmiths

  • @ComfortingColourlessLight
    @ComfortingColourlessLight 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only time I had a challenge with Thunderbarges was when I had only two and I got into a Tzeench ambush (everything fired on them).

  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yeah, agree on the Grudge Raker. If it was ever so slightly tweaked so they stun infantry units and apply the suppressed effect, S-tier no doubt. Might actually be why the devs decided to go with the knockdown effect instead for balance purposes, though that still doesn't mesh well with the tech bonuses for Thunderers boosting range so much. Speaking of, which techs are Legend talking about with boosting range all the way up to 170? In my dwarf campaign I only noticed basically the same techs that were in the old tech tree, unless I haven't been paying attention.