Difference Between Ultramarines & Imperial Fists Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio Additional Music by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio - released under CC-BY 4.0.
He makes an excellent point. Rogal did indeed make the palace a fortress for the ages, but he was real sad about the beauty being befouled in such a way. Even promised to...something I'm sure...that'd he'd put up all the gorgeous arts and architecture again when the battle was over.
Yes, but he didn't want to speak on behalf of his genefather's personal opinions, of which Rogal rarely shared regardless. The Imperial Fist in this situation isn't *happy* about the war. He's just bluntly stating the true, obvious facts about it and it's effects on the population and infrastructure to make the Ultramarine understand the situation's severity. Dorn would have said it almost the exact same way, had he been there.
Yup, Rogal specifically said that the fortification of the Imperial Palace was an ugly thing, and that he wanted as much of the artwork as possible preserved, stowed away, and hopefully one day put back up when the fortifications were no longer needed.
@@Skrimpinboss He wouldn't, there's a short story where he laments all the beautiful architectural decorations he's shoving into storage to fortify the planet
- Rogal Dorn as he spends the fourth day straight building his 1:200 scale model plans for the imperial palace out of real materials because he was having a hard time expressing the idea to the subcontractors.
Meanwhile, Eidolon is obliterating walls made by Dorn on Terra leaving breaches large enough for titans to pass through... solely because of his taste in music.
@@Skiritai Now I can see Perturabo saying to Lorgar "I told you leaving your windows on the ships was a bad idea!" through a holographic transmission as Corvus attempts to enter through the windows of the Word Bearers' flagship
Imperial Fist: (Cracks shovel, brick trowel, extra large spool of razorwire, cement-mixing servitor, all 10 billion nails within the chapter's supply, mountain of sandbags, 50 different kinds of landmine, power woodsaw and his jury rigged swiss army powerfist with an entire toolshed contained within) "You say somethin, Mr Spreadsheet?"
@@Wisskeypayeroffares "That's good enough" is the lazy side. After which it will say "No one will get through that." but you must ignore it. Keep fortifying until someone says "I swear if you make me take this off after we win, I'll shoot you." Fortify it to that extent, that everyone else around you has a chance to see into the future and not seeing a possibility of losing, but a certainty of having to undo everything you did as a chore, not necessity.
The Imperial Fists are pragmatic and logical. They will do whatever is needed to achieve victory. The Ultramarines are less rigid, and often don’t take as extreme of measures as their yellow cousins do. Both are strengths and weaknesses.
Its the exact opposite though. The fists adapted to the new paradigm. The ultramarine was hesitant to let the old paradigm go. This carries on and becomes more so after the heresy with the adoption of the codex
@@rommycomrade6286 Ultramarines literally cling to the Codex like a safety blanket. And once the Tau cracked it the Smurfs got rattled because creative thinking outside of the Codex is not something that they comprehend well.
@@Godzilla-bu1vj Yeah literally. "If you don't follow this book your a heretic. This book is perfect because our Primarch wrote it. We love having rules to follow and not having to think for ourselves." Ultramarines are the least pragmatic, least useful, least creative group of SM's with the only thing they excel at being supply lines (ironic considering they're based off of Rome and supply lines are how Rome fell) Blood Drinkers are probably the only legion I'd rather fight with less than the Smurfs. Cause you know... They'd fucking EAT ME
It is quite nice to see you these different philosophies. But yeah, can't really appreciate the artistry and culture when everyone is dead. Better to raze it all and start again than die and it being razed by the enemy anyways.
In Helsreach they basically say the same thing when Dockmaster MacHernus tells the other leaders to arm him and his dockworkers. that they will give them the time needed to flood the docks with trained guardsmen
@@eoa5704 Not really considering the Imperial Fists didn't achieve any of what they came there to do, and had the untramarines not showed up the iron warriors victory would have been so total that the imperial fists would have been wiped out and their primarch would have been killed, all without them ever even seeing purterabo.
Well the imperium survived the heresy, but I wouldn't call the state it's in a victory, considering the state it's in is the victory condition for chaos.
You know - both are utterly pragmatic. But Ultramarines are approaching it from standpoint of utility of the building for it's intended purpose, while Fists are utterly militaristic in their outlook. Ultramarines would likely want to preserve as much of usability and comfort as possible, while Fists would turn everything into a bunker. Would be even more fun if somebody added... a Blood Angel into conversation - who would instead care about artistry above both practicality in use and structure being defensible.
Shockingly no. A Blood Angel during a war they know is coming will legit destroy art if it means more materials to fortify a stronghold with. They tore down statues of Sanguinius himself to use the stone to thicken wall and fill in windows while prepping for the Tyranid invasion.
@@Nempo13 I meant it all in general. How they design things in general. Blueberries prefer something functional and efficient, Fists prefer something that can be easily turned into a bunker, Blood Angels prefer something that looks good and creates appropriate atmosphere. When need be they will all do anything that will increase their chances of victory. But philosophical differences are there.
I love how Alexis is still respectful calling him lord and stuff. It’s like if I came over to your house, and told you the way you built your house isn’t instructionally capable while still respecting it’s your house lmao 😂
It is sad when war makes us destroy our own works in the name of survival. This exchange reminded me of when Guilliman returned and saw what "victory" was in the long run even when the Imperium gave up every freedom.
I'm a blood angel fan but, this made me an imperial fist fan as well because I think the exact same way lol. Beauty and possessions don't matter if you're dead, win the war and then we can talk about it. It's not the time for beauty, it's time for logic and survival
Though I'm more of a ultra fan myself and they have a point. What is the point of fighting if you destroy the very symbols that give a society hope and courage. True you could always rebuild a building but it is never truly the same
"Why would you desecrate the walls of the Palace of the Emperor?" "My brother from another Primarch. You _DO_ understand that if we don't all is lost right?"
I think another difference is that they’re different chapters 🗣️. In all seriousness, the differences in how they act and think is what makes each Chapter worth reading about, even if you aren’t extremely interested in them.
I think it’s important to recognize that both have valid points. Yes, you must make sacrifices in the name of strategy and take the threat of invasion seriously. In contrast, you must also not ruin what was originally intended to be defended in the first place. If you replace everything in the sake of efficiency, at some point what you are defending will no longer exist. This is true for not only the physical buildings and emplacements in Macragge, but also the Imperium as a whole
No sorry that is stupid. The Art can burn and dosent matter if you dont win. Art can be made again, if all People die then you have nothing. Function over looks all the way.
Ultramarine: wow so you're just going to turn this place into one big fortification? Imperial Fist: wanna see what the iron warriors do to macragge if I don't?
If anything both complement each other the Imperial Fists do whatever it takes to defend the Imperium even hamper its own logistics if it hurts the enemy. On the other hand the Ultramarines will do whatever it takes rebuild it and make it more efficient whilst not diminishing the defenses the fists have made after the fighting is done.
The loyalists really did complement each other, had the Warp sorcery not work the Seige would have been over before it really began Ultramarines would have focused on the resources needed to keep everything going while the Fists built the defenses supported by the Iron Hands, the Salamanders and Blood Angels would have focused on recovering civilians and outriding units before they were cut off, preventing morale loss. The Wolves and White Scars would have been outriders and raiders, hampering supply lines, while Raven Guard would have been busy picking off officers. Dark Angels would be gathering their might for when Dorn would have sallied out in full, leading the loyalists in an armored punch on a foe weakened by battle and stretched thin from raids. But.. alas that didn't happen due to the chaos gods shenanigans. Shame since having all nine of the loyalist Primarchs when the Emperor was interred would have cleared up a lot of issues... had Ferrus survived Isstvaan.
@TheLikenessOfNormal He was tasked woth killing champions. The rank and file officers would have been Raven Guard food. Either way, an Imperial win that wasn't Pyrrhic
Man, I desperately want to see a chimeric space marine chapter that is part Imperial Fist, part Salamander, and part Ultramarine. Practicality, Efficiency, and Humbleness all wrapped up into one group.
I kinda get the Ultramarine. The Imperial Fist argues that living is the number 1 concern. The Ultramarine asks if living for the sake of living is worth it. If you want people to keep fighting, they need a reason to keep going.
Pollux: We'll make this planet impenetrable. Conrad Curze: Hold my beer! I love that he managed to sneak in the dumbest/ badass way possible. Curze is both the silliest and most dark character in the Horus Heresy.
@Dragondan1987 there is a theroy that he did kinda do that. On his head at the time of his death was a soul stone of such great size that it may have been enough to catch his soul kinda like a eldar but no one knew he did that and thus the stone has been lost because no one has brought it up after. Maybe after 10k years some kid finds it and saves konrad who has calmed down and smoothed off his edge and he becomes the batman we know he was ment to be
@@insidechaos4913 I forget about the soul stone, but you are right. With everything in the lore, little things like that that go nowhere for years are easy to forget about.
This reminds me of an item description in Rogue Trader (pen and paper version). It was an item that was ugly and utilitarian, utterly devoted to function and it was completely immune to the touch of chaos.
I lowkey love the belief of the fists. I like the utilitarian and function over vanity mindset. Its why Rogal was liked by the big E. Yes, they have traditions and other things, but they dont cling to them when its an all out civil war.
I fortify my home every day and break through its defenses when i leave or come back until one day it is so fortified I am either permanently locked out of my house or it becomes my tomb - Average Imperial Fist hobby
The Ultramarines basically want to protect things as they are, to preserve the form and meaning of things. The Fists are far more pragmatic, because at the end of the day you can tear down a theatre, put a fortress where it was and once its job is done tear that down too and rebuild the theatre again.
As long as you survive you can rebuild the beauty of a world after you win. However if you fall and the world is burned to the last it won't matter what you leave behind because it will be dust all the same. To survive and win is to allow the winner to rebuild. Failure removes the real choice in this.
In my eyes, if my palace isnt the strongest fort, it is not my palace. My palace is my center of government and militant meetings. If i can not ensure its prepared to be defended, its but a simple building with magnificent looks, but a target like no other.
Shut her yap ya pain glove spammers we Blueberries always adapt and don't forget we have successors who are better than the original legion they were made to replicate
Also remember Alexis Polux is no ordinary space marine. He was an absolute badass who was even bigger than Tyberos, he stood nearly eye to eye with Primarchs
I like seeing comparisons between the smurfs and the fists. Of all the loyalists, they seem to be the ones with the least amount of "themes" and the most philosophy, so there's more interesting comparisons and contradictions.
I love the Imperial Fists largely for the fact that that's who they are at the core. They're all basically Bob the Builder on steroids mixed with Captain America with a more Winter Soldier level work ethic. Lol
One of my biggest questions when it comes down to the imperial fest is, how is their labor force constructed like my best assumption is that they use servitors and other construction equipment but do the space marines themselves start laying down brick and mortar or are they more of a welding beams together kind of a thing
I like the differing philosophies. The Ultramarines feel more like volunteer soldiers happy to visit places when theyre not on duty. The Imperial Fists feel like career soldiers who only think about being a soldier, maybe like greek Spartans.
“My morals and ethics won’t mean anything if I am a pile of bones under ten feet of snow…this is the end of the world” -Bricky during his Frostpunk Last Autumn Review
Ultramarine: Dude your desecrating our place!
Imperial Fist: There won't be a place if we don't fortify it!
"Place, Palace, it's all rubble if unfortified."
@@DxBlack
Blood ravens - chapter master we have acquired the chapters lost holy fortification materials!!
BR chapter master - good job my brothers
*You're*
@@keen8549 their technically not incorrect your does work in this context
@@zambekillerYou're wrong, and it's they're not their lmao.
He makes an excellent point. Rogal did indeed make the palace a fortress for the ages, but he was real sad about the beauty being befouled in such a way. Even promised to...something I'm sure...that'd he'd put up all the gorgeous arts and architecture again when the battle was over.
If the battle will be over
Yes, but he didn't want to speak on behalf of his genefather's personal opinions, of which Rogal rarely shared regardless.
The Imperial Fist in this situation isn't *happy* about the war. He's just bluntly stating the true, obvious facts about it and it's effects on the population and infrastructure to make the Ultramarine understand the situation's severity.
Dorn would have said it almost the exact same way, had he been there.
If I know Rogal, he probably memorized every single detail one could possibly imagine to perfectly recreate the palace.
Yup, Rogal specifically said that the fortification of the Imperial Palace was an ugly thing, and that he wanted as much of the artwork as possible preserved, stowed away, and hopefully one day put back up when the fortifications were no longer needed.
If anything, Dorn prepped. And he was ready for anything.
Also, yay I'm the 1K like 😁
"None of your art, music, or precious beauracracy matters if everyone is dead. Now shutup and pass me the spade. This mortar wont lay itself."
I can see Rogal Dorn saying just that as Robute stops him to complain 😂
@@Skrimpinboss He wouldn't, there's a short story where he laments all the beautiful architectural decorations he's shoving into storage to fortify the planet
- Rogal Dorn as he spends the fourth day straight building his 1:200 scale model plans for the imperial palace out of real materials because he was having a hard time expressing the idea to the subcontractors.
Meanwhile, Eidolon is obliterating walls made by Dorn on Terra leaving breaches large enough for titans to pass through... solely because of his taste in music.
@@LordOceanus The true power of 'tism.
Windows are structural weaknesses. The Geth do not use them. - Legion
perterabo doesnt have windows on his ship for that same reason
@@theDuke0001and paranoia
@@riches3581I HAVE YOUR SCENT LORGAR, YOU CAN NOT ESCAPE!!!!
@@Skiritai Now I can see Perturabo saying to Lorgar "I told you leaving your windows on the ships was a bad idea!" through a holographic transmission as Corvus attempts to enter through the windows of the Word Bearers' flagship
@@Neoth40k Just like the Windex commercials....
"you dare sully the beauty of Terra?"
"Would you prefer that Terra die beautiful, or live ugly?"
Considering how it turned out, die beautifully.
Terra's beauty shriveled up with its oceans.
@@sirgideonofnir6840
Even the Emperor and Roboute agrees with this secretly.
The irony is that even after all those preparations, the Siege of Terra was lost anyway.
@@Kohl293 at least it wasn't a total Chaos victory, but it was still a horrifying siege beyond measure
“Surviving through this war is the point. Rebuilding from the ashes is just the luxury”
Comes into mind
I AM FORTIFYING THIS POSITION
- ROGAL DORN AND PAIN GLOVE.
I AM REINSTALLING THE PALACE
"Yes."
please inform me when corvus arrives, I will require his infiltration expertise
@@hpropganda INFORM ME WHEN CORVUS IS HERE. I REQUIRE HIS INFILTRATION EXPERTISE
Hello, brother
Ultramarine: Tries to debate with an IF about defense.
Imperial Fist: (Cracks knuckles)
Ultramarine: Tries to debate with an IF about defence.
Iron Fist: "I'm sorry, you'll have to speak up. I can't hear you from inside MY BUNKER"
Imperial Fist: (Cracks shovel, brick trowel, extra large spool of razorwire, cement-mixing servitor, all 10 billion nails within the chapter's supply, mountain of sandbags, 50 different kinds of landmine, power woodsaw and his jury rigged swiss army powerfist with an entire toolshed contained within) "You say somethin, Mr Spreadsheet?"
Dorn: And I took that personally.
The Ultramarine isn't debating defense at all.
He's debating humanity.
Ultramarine: Listen here brick for brains! We appreciate your help, but stop grinding our precious monuments into rockrete!
Ultramarines: How much barbed wire is enough?
Imperial Fists: Yes
If you think there’s enough, you put more.
“You see this planet, now swap it with barbed wire and we are 3% done”
@@Wisskeypayeroffares "That's good enough" is the lazy side. After which it will say "No one will get through that." but you must ignore it. Keep fortifying until someone says "I swear if you make me take this off after we win, I'll shoot you."
Fortify it to that extent, that everyone else around you has a chance to see into the future and not seeing a possibility of losing, but a certainty of having to undo everything you did as a chore, not necessity.
@@bogustoast22none25Indeed. So, the right answer to the Original comments thesis, is matter of fact: "NO."
@@chriwehl7173 There is never enough fortifying, no. Only an availability of time and funds.
The Imperial Fists are pragmatic and logical. They will do whatever is needed to achieve victory. The Ultramarines are less rigid, and often don’t take as extreme of measures as their yellow cousins do.
Both are strengths and weaknesses.
Its the exact opposite though.
The fists adapted to the new paradigm.
The ultramarine was hesitant to let the old paradigm go.
This carries on and becomes more so after the heresy with the adoption of the codex
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 wait, i think ultramarine is the most pragmatisms Legion😮
@@paul-antonywhatshisface3954 it took them an ass beating from Hive Fleet Behemoth to make them think outside of the box for once in the 10K years
@@rommycomrade6286 Ultramarines literally cling to the Codex like a safety blanket. And once the Tau cracked it the Smurfs got rattled because creative thinking outside of the Codex is not something that they comprehend well.
@@Godzilla-bu1vj Yeah literally.
"If you don't follow this book your a heretic. This book is perfect because our Primarch wrote it. We love having rules to follow and not having to think for ourselves."
Ultramarines are the least pragmatic, least useful, least creative group of SM's with the only thing they excel at being supply lines (ironic considering they're based off of Rome and supply lines are how Rome fell)
Blood Drinkers are probably the only legion I'd rather fight with less than the Smurfs.
Cause you know... They'd fucking EAT ME
It is quite nice to see you these different philosophies. But yeah, can't really appreciate the artistry and culture when everyone is dead. Better to raze it all and start again than die and it being razed by the enemy anyways.
*Imperial Fist:* _"Windows are structural weaknesses, we do not use them."_
*Ultramarine: makes robot movements behind Imperial Fist*
Lol
Good ol’ Joker
Imperial Fist when a palace needs fortifying:
_"Wooimabouttomakeanameformyselfhere"_
Ultramarines: If we sacrifice that much, how could we call this a victory?
Imperial Fists: Surviving IS the victory
In Helsreach they basically say the same thing when Dockmaster MacHernus tells the other leaders to arm him and his dockworkers. that they will give them the time needed to flood the docks with trained guardsmen
So how'd that Iron Cage go? You know, where the last few survived only because the Ultramarines saved them.
@@MrHoneuma Still won
@@eoa5704 Not really considering the Imperial Fists didn't achieve any of what they came there to do, and had the untramarines not showed up the iron warriors victory would have been so total that the imperial fists would have been wiped out and their primarch would have been killed, all without them ever even seeing purterabo.
Well the imperium survived the heresy, but I wouldn't call the state it's in a victory, considering the state it's in is the victory condition for chaos.
You know - both are utterly pragmatic. But Ultramarines are approaching it from standpoint of utility of the building for it's intended purpose, while Fists are utterly militaristic in their outlook. Ultramarines would likely want to preserve as much of usability and comfort as possible, while Fists would turn everything into a bunker. Would be even more fun if somebody added... a Blood Angel into conversation - who would instead care about artistry above both practicality in use and structure being defensible.
Shockingly no. A Blood Angel during a war they know is coming will legit destroy art if it means more materials to fortify a stronghold with. They tore down statues of Sanguinius himself to use the stone to thicken wall and fill in windows while prepping for the Tyranid invasion.
Blood Angels are busy attacking while the bananas and blueberries argue.
@@Nempo13 I meant it all in general. How they design things in general. Blueberries prefer something functional and efficient, Fists prefer something that can be easily turned into a bunker, Blood Angels prefer something that looks good and creates appropriate atmosphere. When need be they will all do anything that will increase their chances of victory. But philosophical differences are there.
I love how Alexis is still respectful calling him lord and stuff. It’s like if I came over to your house, and told you the way you built your house isn’t instructionally capable while still respecting it’s your house lmao 😂
It is sad when war makes us destroy our own works in the name of survival. This exchange reminded me of when Guilliman returned and saw what "victory" was in the long run even when the Imperium gave up every freedom.
I'm a blood angel fan but, this made me an imperial fist fan as well because I think the exact same way lol. Beauty and possessions don't matter if you're dead, win the war and then we can talk about it. It's not the time for beauty, it's time for logic and survival
Though I'm more of a ultra fan myself and they have a point. What is the point of fighting if you destroy the very symbols that give a society hope and courage. True you could always rebuild a building but it is never truly the same
"Why would you desecrate the walls of the Palace of the Emperor?"
"My brother from another Primarch. You _DO_ understand that if we don't all is lost right?"
I think another difference is that they’re different chapters 🗣️. In all seriousness, the differences in how they act and think is what makes each Chapter worth reading about, even if you aren’t extremely interested in them.
They were still legions at this time
The Ultramarine break, regroup and adapt,
The Imperial Fist don't break....
Ultramarine: i wanna be pretty and shinny!
Imperial Fist: i want to survive
I think it’s important to recognize that both have valid points. Yes, you must make sacrifices in the name of strategy and take the threat of invasion seriously. In contrast, you must also not ruin what was originally intended to be defended in the first place. If you replace everything in the sake of efficiency, at some point what you are defending will no longer exist. This is true for not only the physical buildings and emplacements in Macragge, but also the Imperium as a whole
No sorry that is stupid. The Art can burn and dosent matter if you dont win. Art can be made again, if all People die then you have nothing.
Function over looks all the way.
@@your-username-here2308 this way of thinking is exactly the reason why the imperium is in the state it’s in
Ultramarine: wow so you're just going to turn this place into one big fortification?
Imperial Fist: wanna see what the iron warriors do to macragge if I don't?
Our differences are what make us shine, so long as we remember we are still brothers.
10+ K years later.
Fists: FORTIFIY!!
Ultramarines: The Codex does not support this action.
Fuck the codex - The racist black bois
Black Templars: "We love the codex, big thick pages are perfect for toilet paper."
If anything both complement each other the Imperial Fists do whatever it takes to defend the Imperium even hamper its own logistics if it hurts the enemy. On the other hand the Ultramarines will do whatever it takes rebuild it and make it more efficient whilst not diminishing the defenses the fists have made after the fighting is done.
The loyalists really did complement each other, had the Warp sorcery not work the Seige would have been over before it really began
Ultramarines would have focused on the resources needed to keep everything going while the Fists built the defenses supported by the Iron Hands, the Salamanders and Blood Angels would have focused on recovering civilians and outriding units before they were cut off, preventing morale loss. The Wolves and White Scars would have been outriders and raiders, hampering supply lines, while Raven Guard would have been busy picking off officers. Dark Angels would be gathering their might for when Dorn would have sallied out in full, leading the loyalists in an armored punch on a foe weakened by battle and stretched thin from raids.
But.. alas that didn't happen due to the chaos gods shenanigans. Shame since having all nine of the loyalist Primarchs when the Emperor was interred would have cleared up a lot of issues... had Ferrus survived Isstvaan.
@@Darqshadow I'd just like to point out that even without warp Sorcery, officer killing would still go to the best of the best Siggy.
@TheLikenessOfNormal He was tasked woth killing champions. The rank and file officers would have been Raven Guard food. Either way, an Imperial win that wasn't Pyrrhic
Man, I desperately want to see a chimeric space marine chapter that is part Imperial Fist, part Salamander, and part Ultramarine.
Practicality, Efficiency, and Humbleness all wrapped up into one group.
I kinda get the Ultramarine.
The Imperial Fist argues that living is the number 1 concern.
The Ultramarine asks if living for the sake of living is worth it. If you want people to keep fighting, they need a reason to keep going.
Iron Fists: I'm sorry, but your authority is not recognized in... FORT KICKASS
WHO DARES APPROACH FORTRESS OCELOT ALPHA
Imperial Fist: "Windows are vulnerable. They must not exist."
Peter Turbo: "Indeed"
“Brother, may I have some oats please”
“Neuoow!”
Then the ultramarine was like “dang he right” then went and told everyone about this great fortifying plan that “he” made
Yep, that's smurf, there 😁🤣
Rebuilding may be painful, but at least someone's alive to do it.
Imperial fist: " we must fix the problem"
Ultramarine: *sentimental whining*
Can’t protect the people if they all died because you didn’t want to tear down a couple statues to put up gun nests.
Pollux: We'll make this planet impenetrable.
Conrad Curze: Hold my beer!
I love that he managed to sneak in the dumbest/ badass way possible. Curze is both the silliest and most dark character in the Horus Heresy.
I am hoping Curze pulled an alpharius at his death and has just spent 10k years on a pleasure world somewhere and will return to us 1 day.
@Dragondan1987 there is a theroy that he did kinda do that. On his head at the time of his death was a soul stone of such great size that it may have been enough to catch his soul kinda like a eldar but no one knew he did that and thus the stone has been lost because no one has brought it up after. Maybe after 10k years some kid finds it and saves konrad who has calmed down and smoothed off his edge and he becomes the batman we know he was ment to be
@@insidechaos4913 I forget about the soul stone, but you are right. With everything in the lore, little things like that that go nowhere for years are easy to forget about.
Another reason why Imperial Fist is slowly becoming my favourites.
"Wherever i go, i must fortify." - Loyal Son of Dorn
You have Terra at stake bro, you can always rebuild
I like how nonchalant the entire conversation is, the space Marines like well you guys know what you’re doing ain’t gonna stand in your way.
If the ultramarines are this artsy, I can't imagine what a blood angel would think
Or the pre Heresy Emperor’s Children.😂
It's not a philosophical difference, just a difference in how much of threat the enemy poses.
This reminds me of an item description in Rogue Trader (pen and paper version). It was an item that was ugly and utilitarian, utterly devoted to function and it was completely immune to the touch of chaos.
Ok ngl I keep seeing that bloodied ultramarine pic everywhere
As a Civil Engineer in life and an Imperial fist player. This felt like me.
I like that the Ultramarine and Imperial Fist also seem to respect each other in this discussion they disagree on.
I went into this expecting the Imperial Fist to be too harsh but his respectfulness made me go, "He's absolutely right"
I lowkey love the belief of the fists. I like the utilitarian and function over vanity mindset. Its why Rogal was liked by the big E. Yes, they have traditions and other things, but they dont cling to them when its an all out civil war.
The Lion is kicking and screaming in agreement
" FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS THAT WE ARE IN A GODDAMN WAR "
I fortify my home every day and break through its defenses when i leave or come back until one day it is so fortified I am either permanently locked out of my house or it becomes my tomb
- Average Imperial Fist hobby
The Ultramarines basically want to protect things as they are, to preserve the form and meaning of things. The Fists are far more pragmatic, because at the end of the day you can tear down a theatre, put a fortress where it was and once its job is done tear that down too and rebuild the theatre again.
As long as you survive you can rebuild the beauty of a world after you win.
However if you fall and the world is burned to the last it won't matter what you leave behind because it will be dust all the same.
To survive and win is to allow the winner to rebuild. Failure removes the real choice in this.
Polarizing defense vs endearing beauty
It’s a hard choice to make. Here’s to finding a compromise 🍻
In my eyes, if my palace isnt the strongest fort, it is not my palace. My palace is my center of government and militant meetings. If i can not ensure its prepared to be defended, its but a simple building with magnificent looks, but a target like no other.
No wonder why most of ultramar system worlds are seen as beautiful gardens loyalists ain’t completely desecrating it
Imperial Fist is 100% right, they're so smart and goated 😊
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Shut her yap ya pain glove spammers we Blueberries always adapt and don't forget we have successors who are better than the original legion they were made to replicate
Iron Warrior rolls up "Finally. A worthy opponent OUR BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY"
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Ultramarine: stop breaking my house ):
Imperial fist: *if you want a home let me do my job bro*
Ngl, space marine great helm is a vibe I go with super damn hard!
With Surviving comes victory. With victory comes time. With Time one can rebuild.
That Imperial Fist has seen destruction roll in like a fog before
It's easier to just put in a new window when it's over than it is to rebuild the entire wall
The ultramarine looking at his spreadsheets: "hmm... this'll be costly, but I think i can help you with logistics..."
Also remember Alexis Polux is no ordinary space marine. He was an absolute badass who was even bigger than Tyberos, he stood nearly eye to eye with Primarchs
i am not a fan of the IF but when he gave some solid points
What about the black templars
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Or Crimson Fists
"Mate... do you want to fucking die? No? Then start building"
I understand and agree with both points.
The artwork of the Imperial Fist you used was artwork of a renegade Dorn for a theoretical Leonine Heresy, I believe.
I like seeing comparisons between the smurfs and the fists. Of all the loyalists, they seem to be the ones with the least amount of "themes" and the most philosophy, so there's more interesting comparisons and contradictions.
Even now it’s more fortified than ever before because of the Custodes doing blood games for 10K-11K years after the Horus Heresy
The imperial fists, as always, being the most based. They would make the best IRL soldiers by far.
“Listen buddy unlike you guys Games Workshop isn’t afraid of killing us off. We’re not taking any chances here. So grab a hammer and start building.”
I can see this talk between architects and structural engineers
Pollux and Dantioch had sucha good bromance. Pharros book hit different for them
It's not about building back, it's about REBUILDING
dope shorts, salute.
Dantioch: that's it buddy
War Engineer vs Soldier Aristocrat.
both have a valid point
"I'm Fortifying this position"
Dadorable
During all this dialogue, all I could think was a legion of builder space marines being introduced out of nowhere.
Concrete marines.
And their primarch bob the buildius.
"The window no longer exists" is such a hard line 😂
I love the Imperial Fists largely for the fact that that's who they are at the core. They're all basically Bob the Builder on steroids mixed with Captain America with a more Winter Soldier level work ethic. Lol
You can rebuild the beauty after surviving the carnage
One of my biggest questions when it comes down to the imperial fest is, how is their labor force constructed like my best assumption is that they use servitors and other construction equipment but do the space marines themselves start laying down brick and mortar or are they more of a welding beams together kind of a thing
I like the differing philosophies. The Ultramarines feel more like volunteer soldiers happy to visit places when theyre not on duty.
The Imperial Fists feel like career soldiers who only think about being a soldier, maybe like greek Spartans.
“My morals and ethics won’t mean anything if I am a pile of bones under ten feet of snow…this is the end of the world” -Bricky during his Frostpunk Last Autumn Review
And that’s why I love the imperial fists
“So you would just rebuild and fortify the entire imperium?”
Imperial fist …. “Yes”
"You're ruining our palace!"
"You won't have a palace if we don't fortify!"
“Well, I guess if you want to try using a tapestry as a ballistic shield then be my guest”
ALEXIS POLLUX MENTIONED SHORT KINGS STAY WINNING
One is a great fortress builder the other a great Empire builder.
So basically me shitting on what my buddies build on ARK, Conan, Minecraft, 7 Days, etc...
The walls of the Imperium are the Imperial Fists themselfs ✊
One does logistics for the Emperor, the other build castles for the Emperor. Next question.
Wrong one builds empires the other builds the wall around that empire
meanwhile dantioch at the back be like "I can see 20 ways my brothers would bring down this brickhouse. make it stronger!!"
Yes, restoring the place to its former glory will be costly and extensive, but rebuilding won't be possible if none of us survive the here and now.