@MarkieMark-vy7hg No, Bethesda made the shit tv show to shit all over Fallout 1,2, and New Vegas. They hate how Obsidian knows how to make a better Fallout game in less time.
New Vegas is a once in a lifetime home run. A ton of talented people, with a precise and incredible vision, on an ant’s dick of a timeline. They knocked it way out of the park for what they had, it could’ve been the best game of all time if they had just one extra year.
@@rajimusEveryone over looks this. Bethesda needs to actually build a game. Obsidian had the benefit of making a game that already had all of its system built by Bethesda
@@EggEnjoyerBethesda doesn’t make a game, they’ve been using the same engine since morrowind, just slapping duct tape all over it. It’s not like they’re making a new engine every time
@@rajimusi can understand the awful launch, but re-using assets isn't bad, it's smart. Majora's mask is seen as being better than oot. Fallout New Vegas is seen as better than 3. The effort used to make assets from scratch could instead be used to improve things like lack of true iron sights and writing.
@@fredjones5698 Not about the engine, but the systems that goes into a game. Bethesda had to build the ai and shooting mechanics, leveling systems and a million other assets that the new Vegas team could just copy and paste.
Speaking as a former video game tester, let’s take a moment to recognize all the marriages that fell apart and all the chemical dependencies that spiraled out of control to get this game out in 18 months.
It's easy to create scope, difficult to cut back. Let's give a hypothetical example; I want to make a doom style game. I want the movement to feel like quake. There should be competing factions. There should be a karma system for those factions. Those factions should be morally ambiguous to make player choice non-deterministic [since players usually choose to be the good guys]. Combat should feel responsive. There should be different types of guns modelled after real world models. There should be a variety of enemies. The enemies should have a variety of attacks/attack patterns. There should be player progression via the weapons/perk style system. It could be rogue like or normal player progression. Player choices should matter, dialogue and narrative choices impacting the end of the game/character interactions. The world shouldnt feel cumbersome to traverse for fear of making it feel barren and boring. There should be a litany of things to explore and discover to keep people engaged. We can go even deeper on any of these systems, focusing on the minutia and specific questlines, interactions etc. These ideas will naturally have to be culled if there is a deadline. If i have an infinite amount of time the ideas of what could be done balloon out of proportion because i dont have to make concessions or sacrifice aspects to work for others. This isn't me saying that Obsidian didnt do an incredible job with the time they were given, because they absolutely did. i'm just explaining how development feature creep happens and how almost any game studio will have cut content regardless of dev time. It's usually because of time constraints, tech limitations or because it doesnt quite fit the vision of what you want to make.
@@rasmachris94I think a good example of cut content not fitting a vision is if you restore all of the towns in Skyrim that where either cut, shrank to just an inn or fort, or just never planned on being in game despite the lore stating otherwise. Skyrim goes from this lonely semi-dangerous adventure over the vast open countryside to the equivalent of living in modern mid Atlantic America where you trip over towns, cities and villages so often you do not have to worry about anything. Totally trivialized my survival mods. Only played once like that and now I just leave the towns and villages as the developers intended.
I feel like that was intentionally done just so they didnt have to pay them their well-earned bonus. Basically a huge fuck you to them for producing something they thought would fail.
Lol you guys really think Bethesda and Obsidian don't get along? There's literally no issues between the two studios. The bonus was, like that, a bonus. Shit happens sometimes
@_skriblz_223 That's not how Metacritic scores work. Also if they didn't want them to get a bonus they wouldn't have offered one after the initial contract. Bethesda threw in the bonus later during development.
My heart will remain forever broken that the Brotherhood of Steel questline, the questline for my favourite faction, was cut short and canceled because of time constraints.
@@Idazmi7 Fallout: New Vegas has a sexbot called Fisto. I would say Fo1's successor was Fo3, Fo2's successor was FNV, and Fo4's successor was Todd Howard Cock Sucking Simulator 2024
@@Nomadith it is a faction, though it could have been more interesting one if they had implemented arizona. would have showing how life is under the legion, and would have made them more morally gray.
@@sahrotkro7048 The only problem what would have been a better engine at the time? We're talking about an era who majority of games were built on in-house tech... I doubt Bethesda would have gave them the funding to build an engine from the grounds up.
Sadly, the people that make the team that made NV are probably no longer with the company, minus a couple important names. Not likely that even if they got it it'd be comparable. Don't get me wrong, I'd want a sequel too, but that's not even mentioning the unreasonable expectations that'd be heaped onto something with the role of a "New Vegas Successor." It'd be a train wreck.
@@CodexQuinn That's pretty much always the case by the time it's time for a sequel. If you're lucky, there'll be enough of the previous crew, especially the folks responsible for game design and the look, to make a new game. It's one of the reasons why Diablo 3 was such garbage and Torchlight 2 felt so much more like Diablo 3 did than Diablo 3. And why Blizzard pretty much hasn't made a decent game since they got hooked on WoW. It's been mostly esports garbage and sequels that we didn't need and are completely targeting the wrong folks.
It’s amazing how Fallout New Vegas managed to come out so good, especially under time constraints, unfamiliar staff, and a bad engine. In an alternate universe there are people complaining about how much potential it wasted, we should be glad that we’re in this one.
they reused 90% of assets. They promised soemthing they vcouldnt deliver and im ired of people going after bethesda for Obsidians shortcomings. the game released awful
Honestly though. Since Skyrim all BGS has made is an average fallout game, a bad fallout game that only got better because of outsourced development, and forgettable starfield. Any success that's occurred since 2015 at the earliest has only happened because of other development studios that aren't them.
5:46 I remember reading in game informer about being able to play as different races. And they talked about being able to ride a motorcycle. Neither of which made it into the game LOL
I mean you can choose between human races so the reviewer must've not looked into the races category of the character creator and saw it said "race" and thought "oh, cool, you can choose a different race, imma be human tho because i dont have enought time to customize allthat much when i barely have time to beat it." And they also might've seen the motorcycle next to prospector saloon and thought "eh i can probably ride that, just i have to do a side quest or something but i dont have time to waste, anyways lets rush thru the main story."
@@RabdoInternetGuyGame informer used to get info super early and it’d often be wrong or off. Or like you said they’d make presumptions about the things that they saw. Gaming journalism was so different back then
@@EggEnjoyer It might even have been an offhand comment about something they could do if they had time. A drivable vehicle wouldn't be completely without precedent at that time, it just hadn't been done since the game switched to 3d.
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I always wished that they let you continue to play after beating the main quest line, It’d be really cool to SEE all the stuff happen that Ron Perlman talks about in the Outro especially if you picked Independent Vegas ending
The fact that New Vegas ended up being one of the best games of all time with only a 18 month development cycle is still insane to me. And they wanted to add MORE, like, the hell? Imagine what it would've been like if they had to the time to add everything they wanted and make sure the game didn't have bugs.
Yknow how most games have like a 7 year dev cycle? Imagine what new Vegas could have done with just half that. Give them another 18 months, and new Vegas would have been perfect game imo. It almost already is now 😂
@@Faintwolf Give me 20 years and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years and my colony ships will be heading for the stars to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation.
It worked because I said so. But yea the stuff that was going on into developing this game was insane and still they made a certified classic still worth playing over a decade later
Josh Sawyer says the opposite. He's openly praised Bethesdas engine, saying it helped immensely, and that it's without it games like this wouldn't exist.
@@toxicKorgiFeelings over facts my man. I've seen people straight up say Tim Cain has no idea what he is talking about when he talks positively about BGS Fallout.
Also, aren't there people saying the same thing might happen to Fallout 5 and they give it back to Obsidian to create a new offshoot of the game? Please let it happen. Bethesda been taking WAY too long IMO.
Here’s the unbelievable thing about Obsidian: this wasn’t even the only crunch time sequel they overperformed with! Knights of the Old Republic 2 was also a quick sequel that was thrown at them by a AAA studio (BioWare) while they developed their next big thing (Mass Effect). And it’s so much more grey and dark and interesting than the first game, just like New Vegas is! Sign me up for anything obsidian does, man. They deserve so much praise for overachieving at every turn
«a quick sequel that was thrown at them by a AAA studio (BioWare) while they developed their next big thing» that's a bit different, Fallout is their universe, Star Wars isn't (and they nailed it too!)
In all fariness, FO3 is better thought of as being inspired by FO and not a FO game. I enjoyed it, but it deviated a lot from the previous games in ways that didn't always make sense from either a lore or enjoyment perspective.
I remember vividly waiting outside Game Stop for Fallout New Vegas to release I was one of the first people in line to get the game and funny enough my birthday is October 19th so it was a great birthday present
I think it’s crazy that an IP like fallout with its growing popularity because of the TV show is constantly put on the back burner for games like starfield the dumpster fire just like now fallout 5 is taking a back seat to elder scrolls 6 I rather have a new fallout game 🤦🏽♂️
@@Morbing_Time Bethesda needs to let obsidian take over new Vegas is the best fallout and with more time and with the hype surrounding the tv show I think obsidian will do the franchise justice
@@donovancarney I agree too, it would technically also let Bethesda work on elder scroll 6 on their own, while still having another release that they can get out
to be fair, as both a tes and fallout fan, elder scrolls fans have been waiting for a new game since 2011, whereas fallout fans have been waiting for a new game since 2018. they've been waiting longer so they deserve a new game first
Bruh Elder Scrolls 6 was put on the back burner for 4 and 76. But if you like fallout i don’t see how you wouldn’t enjoy Elder Scrolls unless you just played Skyrim and are comparing that to Fallout
The crazy part is obsidian managed to do this twice. KOTOR 2 was arguably way better than the first, had a much more profound and deep story/ dialogue. All with a super short time window
I tried playing this on ps3 on release with no internet so my camera stick was broken. Just started playing it again for the first time last week and it’s incredible
I'd rather see a new game that is in a drastically different part of the world. I'd love to see one in the PNW, or perhaps somewhere in Asia or Africa. Australia, has been done to death in real life, so I don't see much there that would justify it being made without other regions being made first.
[7:18] Only thing that's a bit disingenuous about all this this is that they didn't *have* to do any of that. Obsidian knew their time frame but still swung for the fences. Many of the devs have since said that they should've scaled back their vision to ensure that what they shipped wasn't a broken buggy mess. Chris Avellone in particular saw it as them shooting themselves in the foot because much of the time & development effort that could've been put into the DLCs had to instead be spent fixing their game. There's a track record for this as well with KotoR II. Bethesda didn't ask them to make a bigger, better, more reactive and fleshed out RPG than Fallout 3. That's all on Obsidian. So we shouldn't paint things as "Oh poor Obsidian didn't have enough time." they knew exactly how much time they'd have, and early into the cycle realized they didn't know Gamebryo, and were going to have to spend time getting up to speed with it etc. I say all of this as a massive New Vegas fanboy.
Not really any new information on offer here, bit of an iterative video in my opinion however the presentation was very well done and I appreciate the hard work you put in to make it. Very enjoyable.
Fallout 1 was lightning in a bottle. Fallout 2 was just Fallout 1 with some more effort put into it. It was never recaptured. It was simply never let out of the bottle. But, in a rare anomaly barely ever heard of, the same people came together again to capture lightning in a bottle a second time. And succeeded. There will never be another game like New Vegas. Or... will there?
Aw mannnn, Imagine they kept the 3 playable races and they all had different introductions too, Like the Ghoul for example maybe got shot by Benny and tossed into a super radioactive area and left for dead, Or the SuperMutant gets patched up in Black Mtn instead of Doc Mitchells. That’d be so cool
I love how every other fallout fan is bitter and jealous of fallout new vegas fans while we’re over hear minding our own business lol they’re trying too hard to propagandize new vegas being a bad game but it will never work because 76 is actually the worst fallout game. Hell even Sierra Madre is better then anything in 76 hahahahaha
teams of artists make good art when the corporates aren't strangling them. Never would have guessed. Shame about the bonuses but they probably made it back with the dlc.
Well this video was a completely unexpected but very much welcome surprise 😂. Still waiting for the day a game comes out that can beat NV in both RPG elements and passion (That isn't a top down turn based game).
just started playing, been avoiding the strip/lucky 68 quest, to see the entire world and what not. there have been numerous times where i saw things that reminded me of skyrim and gotten goosebumps. cant believe an old game made me feel excited for once. absolute breath of fresh air. let me know if im missing stuff or you have a favorite quest i should do.
Try The DLC, Twice much better than any current Fallout's DLC. each New Vegas DLC had an interesting Stories and the better reward, perhaps an unique NPC that had an impact in New Vegas Playthrough.
Come back to this comment, If u have meet the Joshua Graham's The Caravan's DLC . The guy really2 had an impact to the playthrough despite he's only a DLC character. Not to mention, probably going to give you a goosebump about his personality in somewhat only video game character.
So much talk about new vegas, which is incredible but no where near its potential and yet no talk about their second game the outer worlds which is incredible and very polished and complete. It shows what type of product we could have received if they had longer to work on it.
I tried several times to play New Vegas, but I just never could get in to it. It’s weird because I love Fallouts 1 to 4. I get bored with New Vegas on day one and end up playing something else. Cannot figure out what makes its that way with me. My favorite is Fall Out 2. I love that game. Thank you Good Old Games! 👍💪👊
I’ve bought fallout new Vegas on 4 difrent consoles. I regret buying fallout 4 on just 1 console 😂 it don’t have no replay ability and so much tedious stuff that makes it feel like I’m doing chores
If obsidian had another year at a minimum, or two to breath and do there best job , well let's just say it would have outshined everything that came afterwards from Bethesda and make fallout 3 look like the underdeveloped game.
@@Grayson-tk5hn the end of the Fallout tv show season 1, you see New Vegas in complete ruin, with destroyed securitrons littering the streets, and a deathclaw skull in front of the lucky 38. It's like they made the Elijah red mist ending canon.
I recently played New Vegas for the first time on PS5 (stream from PS3). Jumping into the game in 2024 is pretty terrible if your not playing on PC with Mods. The only good thing about it is the world, setting and story. The problem with the game is that over 50% of the time will be spent on waiting for saving & Loading or fast traveling to point A to then Run to Point B going through 3 loading screens to talk to a guy who will tell you to go to point C. To then later returning to point B without a direct fast travel point. I mean Vault 23 is the fucking worse! But yes for a 2010 game it was amazing especially now that I find out they made it in 18 months.
It had a lot of good stuff, but its not much better that 3 I find the desert a lot more boring, and i felt like it was more empty Im gonna try replaying it, but even from the videos ive seen, I dont know it my opinion will change much. I always like 3 and its content better, i only liked the gun okay of Vegas better
I do enjoy that most of my actions in FNV actually matters. Even if I steal something and no one notices but my karma will go down. No matter who I kill, who I talk to, or where I go it has so many unknown effects that you only discover later into the game.
Alpha Protocol was an awesome attempt at a spy based RPG. There was some jank, but the skill progression and the social interplay mechanics that actually affect your outcomes were amazing. I'd love to see a sequel to it, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'd also like a Fallout Game with an unarmed build where Ninja worked properly, and I'm not almost automatically Sir Swiss of Cheezus Christ Enough Already With the Shooting Me... but that's just me. [They finally give you Blitz to counteract ranged combatants = it STILL doesn't always work more often than not & they put every raider at least 2 FLOORS above you 75% of the time, with endless Molotovs... AND they add in Super Mutant Suicide Bombers to boot... Brilliant!] One. Fucking. Game. Just one, where Unarmed is unequivocally as "viable" as EVERY other form of combat... Is that REALLY too much to ask in a setting where Bullets are SUPPOSED to be expensive and HARD to find?!? (Even the Two-Step Good-bye BLOWS YOU UP when you use it)
Fallout New Vegas is being kept together with hopes and dreams lmao. I got 51 fuckin mods in there and it haven't crashed once, got FCO in there and that usually crash my game but thankfully I move from Nexus to MO2
Bethesda, the new owners of an old IP subcontracted Obsidian..the new company, made by the off shoot of the old company who owned the old IP before giving it to the New owners. Aren't Corporations and IP absolutely normal and good?
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish Obsidian had 2 more years to work on this game.
I bet Bethesda wishes they gave them that also 😭 would have made them more money.
@MarkieMark-vy7hg No, Bethesda made the shit tv show to shit all over Fallout 1,2, and New Vegas. They hate how Obsidian knows how to make a better Fallout game in less time.
And that they had done Fallout 4 as well.
@@TheSantachThe show’s good tho.
@@MoonshineH No you are just brainwashed lol
New Vegas is a once in a lifetime home run. A ton of talented people, with a precise and incredible vision, on an ant’s dick of a timeline. They knocked it way out of the park for what they had, it could’ve been the best game of all time if they had just one extra year.
THey promised something they couldnt deliver. yetBethesda get the blame. the game released awful and 90% of asserts were reused.
@@rajimusEveryone over looks this. Bethesda needs to actually build a game. Obsidian had the benefit of making a game that already had all of its system built by Bethesda
@@EggEnjoyerBethesda doesn’t make a game, they’ve been using the same engine since morrowind, just slapping duct tape all over it. It’s not like they’re making a new engine every time
@@rajimusi can understand the awful launch, but re-using assets isn't bad, it's smart. Majora's mask is seen as being better than oot. Fallout New Vegas is seen as better than 3. The effort used to make assets from scratch could instead be used to improve things like lack of true iron sights and writing.
@@fredjones5698 Not about the engine, but the systems that goes into a game. Bethesda had to build the ai and shooting mechanics, leveling systems and a million other assets that the new Vegas team could just copy and paste.
If a game is still talked about after a decade, you know the game has an impact.
Like Fallout 76
@@mjkrh🤮
@@mjkrh both for different reasons
Almost 15 years
@@R1G0117 yeah, but that shows talking itself isn't everything
Speaking as a former video game tester, let’s take a moment to recognize all the marriages that fell apart and all the chemical dependencies that spiraled out of control to get this game out in 18 months.
is this real? are you serious? WOW
@@theblazingcrusader2.047 Sad but true
@@theblazingcrusader2.047lol. Ummmm yeah? Stress often leads to chemical dependencies.. one could guess and probably right lmao
Josh said Obsidian didn't do the QA testing, that was Bethesda's job. It really shows tho, lol.
@@Ecliptor. that's typical of larger games though, publishers usually handle QA
18 months of development time w/hours of cut content.
HOW?
Passion and talent
It's easy to create scope, difficult to cut back.
Let's give a hypothetical example;
I want to make a doom style game.
I want the movement to feel like quake.
There should be competing factions.
There should be a karma system for those factions.
Those factions should be morally ambiguous to make player choice non-deterministic [since players usually choose to be the good guys].
Combat should feel responsive.
There should be different types of guns modelled after real world models.
There should be a variety of enemies.
The enemies should have a variety of attacks/attack patterns.
There should be player progression via the weapons/perk style system.
It could be rogue like or normal player progression.
Player choices should matter, dialogue and narrative choices impacting the end of the game/character interactions.
The world shouldnt feel cumbersome to traverse for fear of making it feel barren and boring.
There should be a litany of things to explore and discover to keep people engaged.
We can go even deeper on any of these systems, focusing on the minutia and specific questlines, interactions etc.
These ideas will naturally have to be culled if there is a deadline.
If i have an infinite amount of time the ideas of what could be done balloon out of proportion because i dont have to make concessions or sacrifice aspects to work for others.
This isn't me saying that Obsidian didnt do an incredible job with the time they were given, because they absolutely did.
i'm just explaining how development feature creep happens and how almost any game studio will have cut content regardless of dev time.
It's usually because of time constraints, tech limitations or because it doesnt quite fit the vision of what you want to make.
@@rasmachris94I think a good example of cut content not fitting a vision is if you restore all of the towns in Skyrim that where either cut, shrank to just an inn or fort, or just never planned on being in game despite the lore stating otherwise. Skyrim goes from this lonely semi-dangerous adventure over the vast open countryside to the equivalent of living in modern mid Atlantic America where you trip over towns, cities and villages so often you do not have to worry about anything. Totally trivialized my survival mods. Only played once like that and now I just leave the towns and villages as the developers intended.
@@rasmachris94I'm not reading allat
@@noname18305 It's easy to add to things. Hard to know what to cut.
bruh that 84 metacritic score hurt to hear, 1 point off
I feel like that was intentionally done just so they didnt have to pay them their well-earned bonus. Basically a huge fuck you to them for producing something they thought would fail.
Lol you guys really think Bethesda and Obsidian don't get along? There's literally no issues between the two studios. The bonus was, like that, a bonus. Shit happens sometimes
[Metascore 84/85] Hey, Can I get my bonus?
[FAILED] You deserve no bonus
@lonely_guacamole Todd has the ego to be jealous, and petty
@_skriblz_223 That's not how Metacritic scores work. Also if they didn't want them to get a bonus they wouldn't have offered one after the initial contract. Bethesda threw in the bonus later during development.
My heart will remain forever broken that the Brotherhood of Steel questline, the questline for my favourite faction, was cut short and canceled because of time constraints.
Fuck brotherhood, they owe me money
BOS sucks and I make sure to destroy their bunker in each play through
@@kayzeaza ur gae
@@kayzeaza usually they do, but the Mohave outpost is kinda ok, they are still a bunch of idiots, but they can grow on you.
@@kayzeazathe most based take I’ve heard in a while.
New Vegas fans care more about the bonus that obsidian didn’t get than any obsidian employee I’ve seen in an interview
Of course we do.
It's because they still believe the myth that they were sabotaged despite devs repeatedly calling it a lie.
it deserve a bonus, its a good fucking game
@@toxicKorgi keep brown nosing.
@Prodigal_Knight Keep projecting idiot. It's not my fault the devs have repeatedly debunked the rumors and shat on the freaks spreading them.
Fallout New Vegas is essentially the true successor to Fallout 1.
It's the holy grail of the series
More like successor to fallout 2 but facts
@@nickpanov6456
I meant what I said. Fallout 2 was always the goofy stepchild of the series: way too goofy for it's own good in my opinion.
@@Idazmi7 Fallout: New Vegas has a sexbot called Fisto. I would say Fo1's successor was Fo3, Fo2's successor was FNV, and Fo4's successor was Todd Howard Cock Sucking Simulator 2024
@@Idazmi7 it may of had more dark humor than the first one but still a good game and still leads up to NV
Man, imagine if they had more time to work on this game.
imagine if it was in a better engine too, we would have potentially gotten cars and the cut playable races.
maybe even smoother gunplay.
@@sahrotkro7048maybe the legion would be an actual faction without mods
@@Nomadith it is a faction, though it could have been more interesting one if they had implemented arizona.
would have showing how life is under the legion, and would have made them more morally gray.
@@sahrotkro7048 The only problem what would have been a better engine at the time? We're talking about an era who majority of games were built on in-house tech... I doubt Bethesda would have gave them the funding to build an engine from the grounds up.
im argentian, i want to use a meme from my country QUE JUGADOR NOS PERDIMOS
We need another Obsidian Fallout
If they can go 3 seconds without going bankrupt
@@mjkrh just make MS throw money at them
@@miguelinopno kidding
Sadly, the people that make the team that made NV are probably no longer with the company, minus a couple important names. Not likely that even if they got it it'd be comparable.
Don't get me wrong, I'd want a sequel too, but that's not even mentioning the unreasonable expectations that'd be heaped onto something with the role of a "New Vegas Successor." It'd be a train wreck.
@@CodexQuinn That's pretty much always the case by the time it's time for a sequel. If you're lucky, there'll be enough of the previous crew, especially the folks responsible for game design and the look, to make a new game. It's one of the reasons why Diablo 3 was such garbage and Torchlight 2 felt so much more like Diablo 3 did than Diablo 3. And why Blizzard pretty much hasn't made a decent game since they got hooked on WoW. It's been mostly esports garbage and sequels that we didn't need and are completely targeting the wrong folks.
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Fallout New Vegas
The true fallout trilogy
of course made by devs of first 2
Yeah, they got a few elements of van buren, it trully is
It’s amazing how Fallout New Vegas managed to come out so good, especially under time constraints, unfamiliar staff, and a bad engine. In an alternate universe there are people complaining about how much potential it wasted, we should be glad that we’re in this one.
they reused 90% of assets. They promised soemthing they vcouldnt deliver and im ired of people going after bethesda for Obsidians shortcomings. the game released awful
@@rajimusyou go design a game in 18 months on an engine you’ve never used
@@rajimusdid you design a game in 18 months on an engine you’ve never used yet
@@rajimus ever manage to design a game in 18 months on an engine youve never used?
@@rajimus They did ... and it still worked. You know that this is the whole point of the discussion, right?
It is interesting how they managed to do in 18 months what Bethesda can't do with 10 years and massive outside support.
Honestly though. Since Skyrim all BGS has made is an average fallout game, a bad fallout game that only got better because of outsourced development, and forgettable starfield.
Any success that's occurred since 2015 at the earliest has only happened because of other development studios that aren't them.
5:46 I remember reading in game informer about being able to play as different races. And they talked about being able to ride a motorcycle. Neither of which made it into the game LOL
I mean you can choose between human races so the reviewer must've not looked into the races category of the character creator and saw it said "race" and thought "oh, cool, you can choose a different race, imma be human tho because i dont have enought time to customize allthat much when i barely have time to beat it."
And they also might've seen the motorcycle next to prospector saloon and thought "eh i can probably ride that, just i have to do a side quest or something but i dont have time to waste, anyways lets rush thru the main story."
@@RabdoInternetGuyGame informer used to get info super early and it’d often be wrong or off. Or like you said they’d make presumptions about the things that they saw.
Gaming journalism was so different back then
@@EggEnjoyer It might even have been an offhand comment about something they could do if they had time. A drivable vehicle wouldn't be completely without precedent at that time, it just hadn't been done since the game switched to 3d.
Because of that title, the new vegas fans will come after you after the game crashes and they don't have anything to do
Wtf are you saying
3:24
Listening to FONV cultists almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
I go outside (laborer) brush clearing™, roofing™, here and there construction framing/concrete™, theft®, harassing children (younger than me) in town (where I live) smaller than me (I am a small extra large thicc density mark II™) knocking on random people's windows at night (same person, femoid, she wants to kill me) drug fueled bare foot walks up and down the road to the four wheeler trails by the bridge to smoke (gigglebush ganja extreme black lung fever pack™) getting groided out my dome (absolutely groided) absolutely peeled cap off the paranoid lead buzz (melting lead in confined spaces) looking for cool rocks (it was shiny and rust colored (I've stolen 5 pounds yellow cake oxford university indiana (ugly, flat, corn) Ohio (beautiful, preble county boys (drunk asf driving around with Moon) has respectfully enough citizens to rob a store with safety scissors not loaded firearms on red (red yo dead keep that fanga off yo triggah an that thang empty champtop else ya long split neighbors dome accident misfire incident™)
doubt it.
I think one of the more interesting scrapped concepts was being able to choose your race being a ghoul or mutant would be so cool
New Vegas fans: I heard you talkin shit
“It’s no secret fallout new Vegas is one of the best rpgs”
NVF: Good shit carry on
Is there a mod to have a guy named Hodd Toward on a cross in Cottonwood Cove?
I always wished that they let you continue to play after beating the main quest line, It’d be really cool to SEE all the stuff happen that Ron Perlman talks about in the Outro especially if you picked Independent Vegas ending
Just never beat the main quest line.
@@Arcticwind-xw6qgdid you even read his comment? He specifically states he wants to see the world after the events.
The fact that New Vegas ended up being one of the best games of all time with only a 18 month development cycle is still insane to me.
And they wanted to add MORE, like, the hell? Imagine what it would've been like if they had to the time to add everything they wanted and make sure the game didn't have bugs.
Yknow how most games have like a 7 year dev cycle? Imagine what new Vegas could have done with just half that.
Give them another 18 months, and new Vegas would have been perfect game imo. It almost already is now 😂
@@Faintwolfall im imagining is just an altered version of House's speech on how he'll progress society
@@Faintwolf Give me 20 years and I'll reignite the high technology development sectors. 50 years and I'll have people in orbit. 100 years and my colony ships will be heading for the stars to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation.
I dont think any amount of cut side quests would change my opinion of the Legion to be honest. Really hard to fix that first impression.
I said at the time “It’s Fallout 3 but orange,” and I was wrong
It worked because I said so. But yea the stuff that was going on into developing this game was insane and still they made a certified classic still worth playing over a decade later
This is why I say New Vegas was successful _despite_ Bethesda and it's game engine. Not "because of".
THey used 90% of assets they promised something they coudnt deliver. not bethesdas fault
@@rajimus
Bethesda gave them 18 months to make essentially a DLC and they made an entire game instead, with more and better content. Screw off.
@@Idazmi7I think Raji is some kind of bait acc/bot…This same comment was posted 3 times
Josh Sawyer says the opposite. He's openly praised Bethesdas engine, saying it helped immensely, and that it's without it games like this wouldn't exist.
@@toxicKorgiFeelings over facts my man.
I've seen people straight up say Tim Cain has no idea what he is talking about when he talks positively about BGS Fallout.
Patrolling the TH-cam while watching video game essays makes me wish for a new Fallout game like New Vegas.
Also, aren't there people saying the same thing might happen to Fallout 5 and they give it back to Obsidian to create a new offshoot of the game? Please let it happen. Bethesda been taking WAY too long IMO.
I highly doubt it. They could give it to another studio but i still doubt it.
I think after the show, the Fallout Universe will get even more stupidity
Here’s the unbelievable thing about Obsidian: this wasn’t even the only crunch time sequel they overperformed with!
Knights of the Old Republic 2 was also a quick sequel that was thrown at them by a AAA studio (BioWare) while they developed their next big thing (Mass Effect). And it’s so much more grey and dark and interesting than the first game, just like New Vegas is!
Sign me up for anything obsidian does, man. They deserve so much praise for overachieving at every turn
«a quick sequel that was thrown at them by a AAA studio (BioWare) while they developed their next big thing»
that's a bit different, Fallout is their universe, Star Wars isn't (and they nailed it too!)
This game made Fallout 3 look like Superman 64
In all fariness, FO3 is better thought of as being inspired by FO and not a FO game. I enjoyed it, but it deviated a lot from the previous games in ways that didn't always make sense from either a lore or enjoyment perspective.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade that's Bethesda, they can't even get their own lore straight (just look at the series)
I remember vividly waiting outside Game Stop for Fallout New Vegas to release I was one of the first people in line to get the game and funny enough my birthday is October 19th so it was a great birthday present
I think it’s crazy that an IP like fallout with its growing popularity because of the TV show is constantly put on the back burner for games like starfield the dumpster fire just like now fallout 5 is taking a back seat to elder scrolls 6 I rather have a new fallout game 🤦🏽♂️
Nah fuck that, after 76 fallout should take a rest for a while
@@Morbing_Time Bethesda needs to let obsidian take over new Vegas is the best fallout and with more time and with the hype surrounding the tv show I think obsidian will do the franchise justice
@@donovancarney I agree too, it would technically also let Bethesda work on elder scroll 6 on their own, while still having another release that they can get out
to be fair, as both a tes and fallout fan, elder scrolls fans have been waiting for a new game since 2011, whereas fallout fans have been waiting for a new game since 2018. they've been waiting longer so they deserve a new game first
Bruh Elder Scrolls 6 was put on the back burner for 4 and 76. But if you like fallout i don’t see how you wouldn’t enjoy Elder Scrolls unless you just played Skyrim and are comparing that to Fallout
The crazy part is obsidian managed to do this twice. KOTOR 2 was arguably way better than the first, had a much more profound and deep story/ dialogue. All with a super short time window
the second bethesda decides to remaster new vegas the world will end
they won't, they hate that game because it shows how much more competent they could be (but won't ever be)
NV doesn't need a remaster, Fallout in general doesn't need remasters. It needs new games, Enough with remasters and remakes already.
I tried playing this on ps3 on release with no internet so my camera stick was broken. Just started playing it again for the first time last week and it’s incredible
fallout new vegas was the shreak of Bethesda
I always wondered why we never got a Fallout New Reno during the PS4 Era.
Or a complete remake of New Vegas, with the engine they used for Fallout 4.
I'd rather see a new game that is in a drastically different part of the world. I'd love to see one in the PNW, or perhaps somewhere in Asia or Africa. Australia, has been done to death in real life, so I don't see much there that would justify it being made without other regions being made first.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade there's gonna be a fan-made Fallout London
The reference for getting taken to the desert and getting sacked is from the film casino
84%!?! As someone who’s never played, that’s an 18 karat run of bad luck… and a bit of bs.
Greatest game ever made. Playing it right now. Play a few times every year.
Yet again proving what happens when there's little corporate oversight... You get a beautiful game.
[7:18] Only thing that's a bit disingenuous about all this this is that they didn't *have* to do any of that. Obsidian knew their time frame but still swung for the fences. Many of the devs have since said that they should've scaled back their vision to ensure that what they shipped wasn't a broken buggy mess. Chris Avellone in particular saw it as them shooting themselves in the foot because much of the time & development effort that could've been put into the DLCs had to instead be spent fixing their game. There's a track record for this as well with KotoR II.
Bethesda didn't ask them to make a bigger, better, more reactive and fleshed out RPG than Fallout 3. That's all on Obsidian. So we shouldn't paint things as "Oh poor Obsidian didn't have enough time." they knew exactly how much time they'd have, and early into the cycle realized they didn't know Gamebryo, and were going to have to spend time getting up to speed with it etc.
I say all of this as a massive New Vegas fanboy.
Not really any new information on offer here, bit of an iterative video in my opinion however the presentation was very well done and I appreciate the hard work you put in to make it. Very enjoyable.
Fallout 1 was lightning in a bottle.
Fallout 2 was just Fallout 1 with some more effort put into it. It was never recaptured. It was simply never let out of the bottle.
But, in a rare anomaly barely ever heard of, the same people came together again to capture lightning in a bottle a second time. And succeeded.
There will never be another game like New Vegas.
Or... will there?
Aw mannnn, Imagine they kept the 3 playable races and they all had different introductions too, Like the Ghoul for example maybe got shot by Benny and tossed into a super radioactive area and left for dead, Or the SuperMutant gets patched up in Black Mtn instead of Doc Mitchells. That’d be so cool
I love how every other fallout fan is bitter and jealous of fallout new vegas fans while we’re over hear minding our own business lol they’re trying too hard to propagandize new vegas being a bad game but it will never work because 76 is actually the worst fallout game. Hell even Sierra Madre is better then anything in 76 hahahahaha
not «every other», just Bethesda fankids
teams of artists make good art when the corporates aren't strangling them. Never would have guessed. Shame about the bonuses but they probably made it back with the dlc.
New Vegas IMO was the last real Fallout game and basically the end of the series
This is the first video of yours I've seen, and it is wonderful. Immediate like and subscribe! Shayne, Please Continue!
New vegas is the majoras mask of fallout series
Well this video was a completely unexpected but very much welcome surprise 😂. Still waiting for the day a game comes out that can beat NV in both RPG elements and passion (That isn't a top down turn based game).
i wouldn't play starfield even if todd himself paid me for that
but i will gladly replay new vegas once again, and it says a lot about our society
Tbh i had fun with Starfield. But its still meh in a lot of points.
That litterly says nothing about society LOL
just started playing, been avoiding the strip/lucky 68 quest, to see the entire world and what not. there have been numerous times where i saw things that reminded me of skyrim and gotten goosebumps. cant believe an old game made me feel excited for once. absolute breath of fresh air. let me know if im missing stuff or you have a favorite quest i should do.
Try The DLC, Twice much better than any current Fallout's DLC. each New Vegas DLC had an interesting Stories and the better reward, perhaps an unique NPC that had an impact in New Vegas Playthrough.
Come back to this comment, If u have meet the Joshua Graham's The Caravan's DLC . The guy really2 had an impact to the playthrough despite he's only a DLC character. Not to mention, probably going to give you a goosebump about his personality in somewhat only video game character.
So much talk about new vegas, which is incredible but no where near its potential and yet no talk about their second game the outer worlds which is incredible and very polished and complete. It shows what type of product we could have received if they had longer to work on it.
Also by Obsidian? Also Obsidian is what I see in the opening Credits of Baldur’s Gate in addition to BioWare
@AdrianFahrenheitTepes Yes the outer worlds is obsidian studios. It's basically new vegas in space
@@BLOEDVLEKI've been curious about outer worlds for a while now but never bothered. You just sold me on it.
I love the way you finished this video
I tried several times to play New Vegas, but I just never could get in to it.
It’s weird because I love Fallouts 1 to 4. I get bored with New Vegas on day one and end up playing something else. Cannot figure out what makes its that way with me.
My favorite is Fall Out 2. I love that game. Thank you Good Old Games! 👍💪👊
maybe try to get through the deathclaw territory to Vegas?
Time constraints really lead to some absolute masterpieces. New Vegas reminds me a lot of Majora's Mask in that way.
You're telling me that New Vegas could have been BETTER?!?!? BRO HOW
With no Todd, it just works.
I’ve bought fallout new Vegas on 4 difrent consoles. I regret buying fallout 4 on just 1 console 😂 it don’t have no replay ability and so much tedious stuff that makes it feel like I’m doing chores
Old world blues is the greatest DLC from any fallout game hands down.
It shouldn’t exist because van buren should’ve existed
this video is so underrated holy moly
I think we've come up with the formula for the perfect Fallout game
Ah, a game made as a game to play while you wait for the next “real” fallout turned into the crowned fallout
pretty good video! keep it up!
Pretty sad when they can crank out a legend like this in 18 months, but it takes Bethesda 15 years to release a buggy mess.
watching the first three minutes like I didn't already know the history of the fallout franchise
If obsidian had another year at a minimum, or two to breath and do there best job , well let's just say it would have outshined everything that came afterwards from Bethesda and make fallout 3 look like the underdeveloped game.
When art and crearivity triumphs in a world of apathy and cold corporative greed its always a miracle. Great video!
Todd Howard: "we don't hate new vegas we love it"
*proceeds to retcon new vegas into a complete shambling ruin*
this didn't happen lol
when did they retcon it?
@@Grayson-tk5hn the end of the Fallout tv show season 1, you see New Vegas in complete ruin, with destroyed securitrons littering the streets, and a deathclaw skull in front of the lucky 38. It's like they made the Elijah red mist ending canon.
Tell me lies, Todd
@@joelcastillo5828 lol, that's not retconning. important thing about storytelling is that time passes and things don't remain the same forever.
I'm sorry, I didn't get it. How much time did development team had? Can you repeat please?
18 months
If they had 3 years to make New Vegas it would be the greatest game of all time.
I recently played New Vegas for the first time on PS5 (stream from PS3). Jumping into the game in 2024 is pretty terrible if your not playing on PC with Mods. The only good thing about it is the world, setting and story. The problem with the game is that over 50% of the time will be spent on waiting for saving & Loading or fast traveling to point A to then Run to Point B going through 3 loading screens to talk to a guy who will tell you to go to point C. To then later returning to point B without a direct fast travel point. I mean Vault 23 is the fucking worse! But yes for a 2010 game it was amazing especially now that I find out they made it in 18 months.
Because the enclave armor looked cool, the weapons were extensive and looked cool and the riot armor looked cool.
Literally got a 360 just to play this recently
It had a lot of good stuff, but its not much better that 3
I find the desert a lot more boring, and i felt like it was more empty
Im gonna try replaying it, but even from the videos ive seen, I dont know it my opinion will change much. I always like 3 and its content better, i only liked the gun okay of Vegas better
You never really played the game did you？
I do enjoy that most of my actions in FNV actually matters. Even if I steal something and no one notices but my karma will go down. No matter who I kill, who I talk to, or where I go it has so many unknown effects that you only discover later into the game.
If it wasn’t so buggy and complete crap on ps4 there would have easily hit the 85.
It’s almost as if competent software developers work better the less business folks are breathing down their necks.
Alpha Protocol was an awesome attempt at a spy based RPG. There was some jank, but the skill progression and the social interplay mechanics that actually affect your outcomes were amazing. I'd love to see a sequel to it, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
I'd also like a Fallout Game with an unarmed build where Ninja worked properly, and I'm not almost automatically Sir Swiss of Cheezus Christ Enough Already With the Shooting Me... but that's just me. [They finally give you Blitz to counteract ranged combatants = it STILL doesn't always work more often than not & they put every raider at least 2 FLOORS above you 75% of the time, with endless Molotovs... AND they add in Super Mutant Suicide Bombers to boot... Brilliant!] One. Fucking. Game. Just one, where Unarmed is unequivocally as "viable" as EVERY other form of combat... Is that REALLY too much to ask in a setting where Bullets are SUPPOSED to be expensive and HARD to find?!? (Even the Two-Step Good-bye BLOWS YOU UP when you use it)
ave, true to fallout new vegas
What do you know? Giving creators freedom and not micromanaging them actually produces something good.
Truth is the game was rigged from the start
I'd love playable races in fallout. Surely they could implement it now
Keep up the quality work! Nice!
Never know this... That makes it even more amazing to over so much it wow
And Todd Howard agrees, that's why he nuked the timeline. Literally.
They need to make a part 2 with fallout 4 game mechs
Vegas always has a story
Didn't Bethesda offer to give the bonus anyways?
Fallout New Vegas is being kept together with hopes and dreams lmao. I got 51 fuckin mods in there and it haven't crashed once, got FCO in there and that usually crash my game but thankfully I move from Nexus to MO2
Only if it had more time
Bethesda, the new owners of an old IP subcontracted Obsidian..the new company, made by the off shoot of the old company who owned the old IP before giving it to the New owners.
Aren't Corporations and IP absolutely normal and good?
There's always so many of you know it alls thinking you have some kind of unseen perspectives.
BY THE WAY EVERYONE DID HE SAY 18 MONTHS ⁉️
yes he did, and despite that it's the best fallout
You're the first TH-camr I've seen that has a voice that matches your look!
Still the best of the series
Yep, this game is a miracle.
Bethesda are busy now.... c'mon
My favorite game EVER!
Good video! Cheers!
Would love to see more on new vegas!