Dr. Jones is very passionate about his job. Reason he likes to explain a lot. He’s also a very sweet man. I live in SD and he’s very well respected here. He helps a lot of people from infants to adults and to students and fellow colleagues.
12:31 - (Audio Begins) 12:49 - Asst. State Attorney, McCann files motion; to defense's objection to cross-question to expert witness. 22:29 - Assistant Public Defender, Bashiman argues that evaluation video recording not legally required as state asserts. 33:10 - Judge overrules the defense's objection; permit's state to pose question to expert witness, Dr. Connor. 40:25 - (Cont. from day prior) State Attorney, Michael Satz cross examines expert witness, Dr. Connor. 1:30:50 - Defense Attorney, Casey Secor - redirect examination of expert witness, Dr. Connor. 2:01:19 - Expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones (Pediatrician, specializes in FASD) direct exam by Def. Attorney, Casey Secor. 5:00:13 - (Cont.) Expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones direct exam by Def. Attorney, Casey Secor. 5:27:36 - State Attorney, Michael Satz cross examines expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones 6:12:42 - Defense Attorney, Casey Secor - redirect examination of expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones 6:26:34 - Court in Recess until following day @ 9:30 AM
@@trailrider7046 I deleted the previous answer as the defense just rested. The prosecution is not ready so they will restart the trial in 12 days with their witnesses.
This seems to be only happening on Law & Crime network, other networks carrying this trial are not having the audio issue. I have my TV all the way up to 100 for the volume and can't hear anything going on in the courtroom but the guy via ZOOM (or whatever he's using to testify) is blasting! Someone needs to fix this.
10000% agree. TONS of people with FASD (I was in social services for a few years before I had to leave) and they did NOT go on killing sprees. Quit wasting tax dollars and get to the point of this already! These families have suffered enough because of this gross killer.
@@annmariefernandez9121 Mr. Satz is the best. Then Secore. Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
Idk about you guys, but I have never once in my life used "trigger finger" to describe the pointer or index finger. Not very slick at all, Mr prosecutor 🙄
Dr. Jones may seem a bit chatty for court but he's definitely a very intelligent man who has appeared to work so hard his whole life. This disorder like many others are never acknowledged enough for the Doctors and specialists who work so hard for us and the future of our children to understand what alcohol can actually do! I love his energy and intelligence and really think he needs to be treated more respectfully by the state. This Dr is not defending NC by any means you can tell he's actually intrigued to see all the actual legal documentation done over this young man's life because as a medical professional myself it's just something you don't see often or ever. Like he said it's the first time ever he's seen so much documentation. It blows my mind that with all the help the adoptive mom tried to get and all the trouble and behaviors he had over all these years it ended up so tragically! If just one person really perused his case and history this really probably could have been prevented somehow. Prayers continue for all the families involved. I do love this Judge and I could listen to this Dr's knowledge and stories through his lifetime over coffee ☕️ ❤️ !!! Prayers for the families once again 🙏 😢 💔
NC also had many, many counselors, psychiatrists, etc. How on earth can anyone put together a cohesive linear accurate analysis? To much transference of information and varying reinterpretation of any tests or data on NC throughout. His condition was not identified early enough to give any forewarning as his diagnostic history is actually a fine mess.
@@Leah.C. Agree agree agree!! As an educator of 30 plus years, 3 degrees, children of my own, I must disagree with this most lovely witness… he is so knowledgeable as a pediatrician, but his characterization of children with neuropsychological alcohol spectrum disorder, and the “stigmatization” of this diagnosis within the school system, is not current. Perhaps 30 years ago? Not now. Our schools, as well as our society, are melting pots of children of various backgrounds and “issues.” Yes, I’ve taught children as those he described in the regular classroom but I look back now at those children and not one, though some were severely “challenged” in the areas the Dr mentioned, have ended up being mass murderers.
The prosecution’s bald headed lawyer did a great job pointing the orchestration of the defendant. Therefore putting to rest the fetal alcohol argument.
There is something going on with the AUDIO feed from the courtroom. I can barely here anything anyone is saying in the courtroom (I have my TV up as high as the volume will go) and can still barely here anything. This happened Monday and now has happened at Tuesday's hearing as well. Can someone please address this?
The state, the defense, and the judge owe it to these families and the jurors to hash this out on their own time. The family has waited long enough for a decision on this. And when they are all over the place like this in front of the families i find it so disrespectful.
I agree it's been a circus but the defense had to by law put on the best defense they can. but agreed the worst was the judge allowing the neighbor to run (or whatever you call that) in front of the jury, I couldn't believe the defense even requested it to be done.
Watching the replay. The medical doctor is clearly an expert witness and though I am interested in his information about symptoms of FAS, I don’t understand why the court let this phase of the judicial process go for so many weeks with so much repetitive information.
They're asking for death penalty. If he wasn't given chance to mitigate he would get an appeal and we would start over. There also never been trial like this, so don't know what you're comparing it to. If i sat in the jury box I would want to hear everything before sentencing someone to death/life in prison.
Wow. The longest penalty phase of all times, at least the longest I can remember. Was any sociopath ever offered so much good will, so much attention throughout his life, including psychological evaluations, special supportive classes and supervision, teachers who sat with him in class just to monitor his behaviour etc. - not to mention wealthy adoptive parents who really cared about him. And now he has 5 lawyers fighting for him left and right and what do they allege: society failed this guy. No matter what the outcome will be, I doubt there will ever be an execution. There will be appeal after appeal, just more heartbreak for the families and survivors.
Exactly. we should be making the families a priority but I guess that's our faulty justice system. Four years!!! All those supports...many don't even get those and now we're supposed to have sympathy for this monster that not enough was done? Ok. Honestly, just put him out of his and everyone's misery already. He's caused enough life long trauma to others.
That's how it works in death penalty cases. If you don't like it, this would have been resolved months ago if there was no death penalty on the table. Having it on the table ensures that this case takes far longer to resolve and if he is sentenced to death, it will be decades more. If he's sentenced to life in prison, we can all forget about him, he'll rot in prison and we can turn our thoughts to the bereaved victims who can finally focus on healing and recovering as much as they can.
I’m only interested because my mom is a alcoholic and she drank with me but I was born in 68 but my problems are nothing like this case . I don’t have a hurtful bone in my body Im actually totally different. He is a sociopath 100% but I’m not sure where that comes from genes or environment.
The best part of watching this is when the State cross examines the Defense"s witnesses, and either poke holes in the witnesses testimony and/or make excellent points to refute the Defense's goal of underhandedy getting information in. The State prosecution has an awesome team.
Does your job include making a decision about whether a man should live or die? I suspect it’s pretty harrowing for the jurors, witnesses, lawyers, gallery and even the judge.
I've been watching live trial for quite some time now and I've NEVER, EVER seen and heard such a sleazy, disrespectful, pathetic and more DESPERATEE defense team in my whole life. They are 100% taking advantage of the Judge
But the whole trial is a circus. Good god America get a grip of your legal system. The victims and the accused are just pawns in a battle of poor pseudo intellectual tit for tat. Half of the arguments are irrelevant and derailing Stick to the fu****ing evidence. I would hate to be part of this charade.
wow this doctor is amazing… really knows what he’s talking about and is clearly passionate about it- i wonder if he’d met nik earlier all of this might have turned out different
1:00:45 I'm not sure there's a direct "malingering test" as the lawyer refers to, since having such a specific test to predict a certain behavior is impossible. Maybe he knows that and is attempting to capitalize off it.
Dr. Jones put a great deal of emphasis on the meconium-stained amniotic fluid. My first child went about a week over his due date and, me being a new mom, had a longer than necessary labor. The doctor finally resorted to forceps and vacuum extraction to get him delivered. He had aspirated some meconium at birth and had an initial APGAR score of about six, as I recall. The delivery team used a bulb syringe and maybe a little oxygen therapy. At five minutes his APGAR was nine, I think. My son has just graduated from a nearby university and is now a graduate student at that university. He is a calm, well-balanced individual. Meconium-staining is NOT a definitive factor for any sort of mental or emotional issues later in life.
Same….they don’t seem to be asking if many other problems can cause these apgar scores and staining. Yes is the answer and he seemed to fail the other physical features tests.
I hate it when lawyers try to trip up professional medics or professionals and then have to back down and say on more than one occasion I stand corrected. You look pathetic and I’ll prepared. You would think these poor buggers were on trial and the aggressive and undermining behaviour or trying to undermine is clutching at straws. Stick to the bloody evidence and stop trying to derail with poor ill thought through argument and attempting to undermine professionals whatever side they are witnessing for. I despair watching this. No wonder the parents of the victims have thinned out.
Agree, the prosecutors clearly don’t believe in the science of psychiatry and neuroscience.. i pity the jury who can only go on the belittling of the experts by the prosecutor
@@mistiblu246 Not sure whether he is arrogant or just presenting the facts as he sees them? Not sure but ultimately the kid murdered many innocent people. That is an indisputable fact.
For all who are saying the prosecution is simply out for blood…..pay attention to how poorly the defense witnesses have been educated and prepared for this case.
I'd too be out for blood if I were the prosecution. They are fighting for 34 victims and their families, and since their state has the DP, they must go for it. I don't think the defense experts are ill-prepared though, they just don't have a defense. No matter which FASDs they claim he has, the bottom line is that his executive functions and coordination work just fine.
@@StellaFl especially the planning he did, the recording, the searching. it was not just an instant outburst where he grabbed the gun. He planned it for weeks.
@@STCatchMeTRACjRo Indeed! Planned it for months probably, he was even reported to the FBI for commenting on TH-cam how he wanted to be "professional school shooter", I think September 2017.
Gotta love how the prosecution insists on using POINTER FINGER. I can ALWAYS tell with words they use what narrative they want to push discreetly. It’s all a mind game. It’s to discreetly place things in the minds of the jurors. I love how the specialist caught on and corrected everytime.
Hopefully you're not supporting the killer but I appreciate the attention to detail. Ur probably right about "mind games" being used, etc on both sides.
@@HereComesKarma I support the defense 100%. The death penalty is a ridiculous concept and like something from the Middle Ages. At some point in the future when the death penalty is gone, people will look back at those governments that put people to death in the same way that we look back at those who said that people were depression or low IQ were 'lunatics' and locked them away in an asylum. Thankfully the death penalty will most definitely be gone at some point. States are finding it more and more difficult to find legal ways of murdering people.
The dude pled guilty. The facts are facts..this should have been finished long ago. I agree ..long drawn out ..each is being paid by state and we keep hearing the same questions asked in different ways. If it's on the record..dont draw it out. Point it out if it pertinent to your side of case..its what disgusts me with lawyers and our justice system. Just stop ..get to closing arguments and let it be over all ready.
Be glad people aren't just quickly thrown to prison or death etc ~ it has to be certain... Imagine if it was you there or someone you loved! Could even be innocent... No space for mistakes.
1:03 Or, you could just spray the room with enough rounds that some of your hits will repeat in small areas. WTF, man..? This is basic probability math. What game are you playing, here?
This is so sad. Not a popular opinion I guess, but is there any justice to the tragic loss of so many lives by pursuing the death of other? The system failed in so many ways. Cruz was clearly a terrible child who shouldn’t have been in a normal school or allowed to own a gun, expelled and left alone after so many cries for help from those around him. Death penalty has been shown not to be a deterrent… I really think the only hungry to kill are from the prosecution… Their interventions seem very violent to me.
Agreed. And I’m sorry but all the people complaining about tax payers dollars well you can thank the prosecutors for that because they could have just said life in prison from the get go. This trial is only happening because THEY want the death penalty. I do t agree with the death penalty. This person CLEARLY had and has issues. Everyone failed him. He did a HORRENDOUS act he killed innocent young people. He deserves punishment but not death. Why kill him? What good does that do? He’s already in jail and will stay there until end of life. He will not harm other innocent people ever again.
He should have been instutionaluzed early on in a boys school kept away from society. As for the death penalty, that's not violence. That's protecting the rest of us from a homicidal maniac who might get back out to kill again. It's happened so many times.
@@robinmartz9052 the only other punishment available is life without parole… So I don’t know how society would be at risk. Cruz is already guilty… Death penalty isn’t even cheaper for society and in my opinion inhumane. It’s such a tragedy and sadly not unique… I guess my feelings goes more to understanding and prevention & for me that starts understanding what went wrong.
I honestly don’t see any care in that boys face absolutely no remorse sitting there colouring and drawing while these people are working extremely hard discussing wether he should live or die🤷🏻♀️I quite believe that he’s probably thinking about how he’d feel if he could get hold of a couple of guns and shooting the people of the court😳I think he’s obsessed with feeling powerful and cares nothing of whom he hurts or kills
@chandra. Well just think about how you feel about his behavior while all these court proceedings are going on and all you heard about his birth mom while she was pregnant, his life (nicks) and tell me what's so odd about his behavior in court. And respectfully I don't want no crap about the crime what he did was horrific to put a word to it. He's guilty we know it he knows it. This is about life or death and we're there circumstances in his life and mental capacities that attributived to his hanious actions.
He’s sitting quietly & behaving. My guess is that he hates all of this & prefers death penalty but who knows. I don’t think he’s thinking about shooting everyone though… I think he’s bored and wants it to be over
He is so bored out of his mind. Whether he wss guilty or innocent, it's simply human nature that sitting in one place all day, unable to move about at will, listening to proceedings that are often above his comprehension level, unable to speak and only to whisper, wearing a bullet proof vest under one's clothes (uncomfortable), being in this situation for weeks and weeks, results in a young man who is bored out of his mind.
Mr Satz and mr Secore are complete opposites. I liked the doc's "lecture", it's interresting, but maybe not always relevant to the questions asked. You can tell he teaches. And nice that he does not charge for anything. However, it is sloppy not to have read any of the prison records. They are often quite informative for experts. And again, Lynda tried and got Nik help and wanted to give him more help bc she knew that adhd was the wrong diagnosis.
My first question to this expert would be, "is it possible for a person who would benefit from a low score to purposely do poorly on these tests?" 2nd question, why was he never given these tests prior to taking the lives of 17 people and severely effecting the lives of many others.
That question are for his former psycs and psycologists. And frankly, his intelligence level might not be that calculating. Not all tests are easy to know what is a good perfomance.
Peggy, he actually scored average to high average. The two defence witnesses Dr. Conner and Dr. Jones completely destroyed Nicolas Cruz. Specially Dr. Jones. He said he doesn't have fetal alcohol syndrome, not even partial fetal alcohol syndrome.
@@km3470 Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
The outcome of this case will overturned by way of a mistrial due to the judge constantly making uniformed decisions. I know some think she is pretty. But unfortunately she is pretty poor at making judgements and rulings.
She is a pretty woman, I think she knows that, but I think she was definitely the wrong choice for this trial. It is apparent, and she has said herself she is not knowledgeable about many things. She should probably be in civil court, cases that involve debtor warrants and such. I am sure the victims families feel let down.
@@jenylyn72 I think it's a case of lacking experience rather than ability.I've read that this is her first DP case. Mass shooters are often shot by law enforcement at the scene so a mass shooter coming to court is a bit unusual. Then there's Cruz's complex and tragic backstory which started when he was conceived. Many things went wrong in his life; his adoptive parents were unsuitable for a child with his needs and ailments; his schooling was a mess.... We'll never know whether the right interventions would have prevented the shooting from taking place but there should be measures put in place to ensure a child with a backstory similar to Cruz will not only be offered the necessary help but steps are taken to ensure it's taken up.
Sorry, but bad day for defense. I am confused, are parents stigmatized or relieved when diagnosis is made. Lynda didn't hide it, I wouldn't introduce my child as "This is my adoptive son, his mother was an addict during pregnancy". It's accessible in his records and he was her son... I don't see the defenceless boy they're describing. He obviously can do research, remembers which bullets go with ar15, has great hand eye coordination, has fine motor skills to reload several times, work in order, run away and disguise, bully only selected people etc.... We heard professionals testify diagnosis made no difference as treatment is based on symptoms. You're also talking almost 20 years of progress in special needs. Obviously, things are different now.
Death penalty it’s a pretty easy choice if you ask most people. Dude killed 17 innocent people and injured another 17. Not to mention tried to taze correctional office so that’s like 35-36 counts there should be no trail over this and definitely shouldn’t last this long.
Yeah I think it comes down to if people believe in death penalty or not ~ the ones who do probably all want it for him, and the ones who don't would give life instead.
I reckon I've heard the judge talking about "thank God for Coffee, slurping away unwrapping sweets or cough drops, the amount of times she's asked the lawyers "well so what do you want me to do?" If the penalty phase is like this imagine an actual trial.
The defense did a poor job of prepping their witnesses. They should have been informed about the prosecution's research and documentation so that they would not appear "ignorant" or uninformed about the defendant's actions. The various doctors' opinions would carry more authority if the jury didn't hear them admitting to how much they didn't know about his actions.
In the end, nobody wins in this case. So many lives changed so drastically, so many people were injured and killed. Sadly, however, as someone raising twins with FAS, I do understand this disorder and the attempt by the defense. One thing that I am waiting for, and fear will not happen, is this. People with FASD's may be identified, but the typical forms of treatment, therapy and educational services provided in this country are NOT FASD INFORMED, and so are not the effective treatment modalities. Yes, NC got tons of services, but they did not address his cognitive and learning difficulties in ways for him to then learn more, have better and different supports to then be more successful. This is so common for our children. Everyone sees their behaviors as willful purposeful and premeditated, when actually they are cognitively impaired, and then punished for their difficulties. After years and years of feeling this way, getting therapies adnauseum, feeling so different, but not having those difficulties addressed in an FASD informed way...........these individuals with an FASD loose all hope, become depressed, angry, and start heading in unsafe directions. MOST will not become school shooters, but they are so misunderstood. We really need systems change in this country re FASD.
At 5:09....Now this is what I have been waiting for! This is a lifelong disability that needs very specific treatment from permanent clinics for the rest of their lives.
Kristen - I have watched this entire trial from Australia, and agree with everything you and Dr Jones have said. In my own experience and understanding, most counsellors/therapists/providers are NOT trauma-informed in any way at all! Whilst feeling nothing but compassion for the tragic loss forced upon everyone in that community, one only has to read through the comments on this post alone to feel the HUGE stigma spoken of by Dr Jones and the unwillingness to try to comprehend the whole picture. No amount of diagnosis and support is going to ever be effective if it is the wrong (or missing) diagnosis. As an adoptive mother, I wish you well with your dear children.
@@kristeneriksen2946 - not only is Dr Jones empathic and compassionate, he has devoted his life and knowledge to families with children & adults afflicted with this devastating lifetime disorder/syndrome, and to teaching other professionals.
Many have healthy babies born without any pregnancy medical attention. Many children are born of drinking/drug mothers and don't comment mass murder. Evil is evil, no excuses. You are who you are.
The expert witnesses for the defense are some of the best I've seen in trials, very solid work in that regard. Often lawyers would only strive to find an expert who would have an opinion benefitial to their client and it always shows. This here feels much more like a natural progression of their case, I really like it.
I wonder why they don't put those headphones on Nicholas Cruz? If my life was on the line you can bet I'd be listening to ever word instead of coloring in a coloring book! Seems like this case has just been rushed through when the prosecution decided they were going to seek the death penalty. I don't think he can comprehend enough of what's going on to assist his attorneys.
This is by far one of the longest penalty fazes I’ve ever seen. Nothing has been rushed here, I believe he also has the option to wear said headphones but has chosen not to as he doesn’t care.
@@km3470 no I wasn't joking. He is able to hear everything they're saying and it is his right to use those headphones. In my opinion he should get life in prison without the possibility of parole. He could be used to help us prevent these tragic school shootings. I live near uvalde and I have a friend that lives in uvalde and grew up there with her family. Everyone in that town knew that that man was a troublemaker. He had been in trouble with the law multiple times. The people of uvalde are really upset with the man that sold him those guns in the uvalde gun shop knowing full well how dangerous he was! We need to raise the age to buy an assault rifle to 21. I feel strongly about this because at the age of 18 your record is expunged unless you got charged as an adult. It was only a matter of time before he committed another felony in fact there was a warrant out for his arrest at the time of the shooting. Everyone in law enforcement in that town and those that participated that day need to be fired! That back door was broken and it wouldn't lock so it didn't have anything to do with a rock placed in it it had to do with poor funding for a School located in an area with a lot of poverty. I want to learn how to prevent school shootings and if that means putting Nicholas Cruz in prison for life then I'm okay with that.
@@Banana34598 I'm not joking, everybody is saying that he hasn't average IQ that he can understand things! So why the f isn't he listening to the sideboards and what the lawyers have to say? Put him under a prison somewhere where he can be studied and maybe we can learn how to prevent some of the school shootings. It is my opinion he doesn't even deserve the death penalty that would be way too easy. I also do not think he has an average IQ I think it is below average by how much I don't know. If they consider Nicholas Cruz to have an average IQ no wonder America is in such a disastrous place right now. He obviously is not competent to help his attorneys or he would listen to what they're saying and comprehend it. It was a big mistake not to call his brother to the stand in my opinion.
The jury whether interested or not a a duty to the families to hear all they can in order to make the right decision. Don't discount them like they don't care.
@@misswildlife7905 we should all be listening because until these babies that are born to addicted mothers are recognized and treated properly this will keep happening educators are not properly trained to help diagnose these children
It's very difficult being in two places at once when you have surviving children to feed and a mortgage and car payments. I'm sure they would rather be sitting in that courtroom every day. The reality is they can't.
@@fore101 Not sure I'd want to hear the poor killer's pity story if I was one of those parents. Be respectful please. A parent in this situation can only take so much.
This trial has convinced me that psychology, behavioral therapy, and case management are not effective. They have become nothing more than assistance in finding excuses for bad behavior. Bring back accountability. Paul Connor is clearly anti-death penalty and pro-big paycheck for himself. What a quack.
What draws you to that conclusion? Because it's very clear the killer have behavioural issues, deficits and impairments. Should he have received ongoing, proper support for his needs, throughout childhood it's very likely he may not have done what he did. it does not absolve him of his crime, having these issues caused by his worthless mother, but it's a contributing factor and cannot be ignored. Psychology and therapy is indeed effective when used appropriately. Like any treatment, if used ineffectively it has repercussions.
@LF. Exactly. If one is familiar with probability, statistics and testing, one can make a test to prove or disprove anything the “tester” so desires. Kinda unbelievable defense enlisted this guy to do anything. Nothing he does requires board certification. Wow, higher salary than 325.00/hr?
@@twodeadsticks2882 The killer was seen by numerous professional psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, counselors, and case managers. His adoptive mother and his brother were seen and spoken with during this entire period. His problems were witnessed and reported by every teacher he ever had and their reports were ignored. Any one who knew him at Marjory Stoneman Douglas called him the "next school shooter." How is it that the professional idiots missed it but 15 year olds had him pegged? Coddling and medicating him did not work. He clearly knew right from wrong and deserves a swift execution.
The judges literally sitting there laughing about f****** candy when these parents have lost their children it's absurd absolutely absurd and this is not the first time that the judge has done this
She is very down to earth and very funny and the victims families love her. She had the whole courtroom in stitches today. It’s nice to have a little comic relief when the subject matter of the trial is so tragic and depressing. The families and the jurors love this Judge. And for good reason. She is completely professional and composed during all of the testimony when it’s go time. Your comments are way off
Not sure what's going on with the audio here, but on WPLG Local 10 the same video plays with the ZOOM witness/attorney volume balanced equally ... L&CN audio improves with second expert at 2:00:00
Neuropsychological disorders do not include mass slaughter murders that require weeks of planning and expert marksmanship. ?? Part of my education and 3 degrees are in “psycho babble.” Everybody “blames” everybody but the person who did the mass murder and he could care less! He got what he wanted … to kill and be famous! And he WANTS the death penalty. Please, please, somebody give it to him!!!! (No I have never been an advocate of the death penalty. Until now.)
@@khamzicrz yes they are but didn you notice tgat she is z only judge that cant control the court room and has to waste lots of her time speaking long paragrahgs to the lawyers,i ve never seen that in any other trial,judges words are firm n she cant do that ,she seems lost to me ,this case is not for her
I have to say I don’t care for the defense (surely FLA can beat this?) and love the state’s attorneys, but I don’t think either of them have been “mean” to a witness. The judge has done a great job under very bad circumstances… just my opinion.
It’s interesting because they are talking about fetal alcohol signs in children. Nik is an adult. So he has grown up and learnt more about how to control his “tamper tantrums” They should be comparing Nik as a child to fetal alcohol children and also to compare Nik now as an adult to other fetal children grown up. Including hallmark characteristic’s. Nik as a kid looks so abnormal as an adult not so much. All of this is interesting also for future studies and cases.
The brain is irreversibly damaged with fetal alcohol syndrome. It’s not like the grow out of it. And it effects everyone differently. By no means am I making any excuses, but I have 2 children who’s mother drank while pregnant and many people have told me that while they seem fine now, there will likely be things that come out long term.
He only had big ears. I know lots of people with big ears and they are normal and some kids have big ears or a big nose etc doesn't mean they have FAS. Just my own opinion
When they take lunch break and go into recess, do they feed the shooter for lunch? If so what , And where do they get the food because I don't think courts have a cafeteria but I could be wrong.
He's been doing this throughout the whole trial. He only pays attention when it benefits him. He mostly connects with the girl to his left, not much to the one on his right. Body language seems he doesnt care much for her.
@@MargaretDL12 yes but wtf is he drawing or writing i just dont get it!? The lawyer on the left of him looks like a witch from tge 1800s and tge one to his right, i mean she just sits there on the computer. What does cruz do, he legit sits down and opens a book and starts writing.... surely someone knows. And why does he get a feesh sweater and large starbucks every morning ? He is getting treated like a king
@@trailrider7046 i know they must sit by his sides. Im like the only person whp actually knows things. Cruz wears a bullet proof vest. But i cant gind out what he writs or draws all fk day. And he keeps asking the lawyer to his left who looks like a wtvh from the 1800s questions
23:07 just curious- ? when the judge ( she is moody Af 😣- yeah yeah I know not a popular opinion) asked ms bashman ( sp? ) why isn’t Mr Secor speaking on the issue instead; would this not be the same thing as Ms McCann speaking for Mr Satz? She doesn’t have an issue with that… Ps sorry for the spelling and run ones. Not to good with talk to text😂🤪 And one last thing- no I’m not a sympathizer but she rules on emotion and she didn’t say shi* ( the judge ) to red headed attorney yesterday in regards to standing when speaking to her! And yes you were calling out “Someone sitting on floor going thru files” I honestly think Secor ( sp ) is a stand up guy- no pun intended I do apologize if truly offending anyone! I’m having a hard time on being sympathetic to the other side- I know they are just doing their job but it’s hard -Rules for thee not for me
I don't care if he's had evaluations or problems. He had his chance to have a decent life . He chose to pull the trigger many times to end other lives! Please God help the victims families to get through this & hopefully justice will be served. He should have no rights 😡😥
I still think addict mothers should not be ALLOWED to carry through a pregnancy if they can't stay sober! They should be in some locked-up facility for 9 months, so the baby can be born healthy and then given to adoption. Otherwise, sorry to say this, either forced abortion OR forcibly tying up their tubes. Heavily addicted women should *never* be allowed bear children! Trouble breeds trouble, and then we have these dangerous half-imbecils causing harm and problems to the society.
@@wEstEgg8899 Pass a legislation. Sounds harsh, but when you see these crack-addicted street hookers and Skid Row residents pushing babies after babies while being high, it just boils your blood! Something needs to be done about it. I don't know how, and nobody would ask me that anyway, and I understand it sounds harsh and maybe even inhumane to some people, but it shouldn't be allowed....
It only matters because of the life sentence or death penalty. If he isn't right in the head then most likely hes going to get life. But NC wants death.
But for the court to say something it’s by law right... so by law says or according to law but by saying according which means According to means 'as reported by' or 'as stated by' and refers to an opinion which is not the speaker's opinion. By Law means a regulation made by a local authority or corporation. By law the court says the state was required to videotape because the count can only say it if it’s the law so why are they arguing about don’t say law because “according” to law don’t sound legit right am I wrong !
Ps from year 2017 (i think) "external brain" is not used and is replaced by carer or assistant. And homeschooling is a crazy concept. It is a reason why teacher is a university education. In many countrys it is illegal, wich it should be.
@E Boston 🤦🏻♀️ seriously??? There may have been some confusion that the woman who adopted him may have been to blame for what happened to him in the womb??? No. Let’s just not.
Dr. Jones is very passionate about his job. Reason he likes to explain a lot. He’s also a very sweet man. I live in SD and he’s very well respected here. He helps a lot of people from infants to adults and to students and fellow colleagues.
❤
He seems to be the kind of doctor that you would be so grateful to have helping you.
He seems lovely, empathetic and most of all knowledgeable! I wish there were more doctors like him.
12:31 - (Audio Begins)
12:49 - Asst. State Attorney, McCann files motion; to defense's objection to cross-question to expert witness.
22:29 - Assistant Public Defender, Bashiman argues that evaluation video recording not legally required as state asserts.
33:10 - Judge overrules the defense's objection; permit's state to pose question to expert witness, Dr. Connor.
40:25 - (Cont. from day prior) State Attorney, Michael Satz cross examines expert witness, Dr. Connor.
1:30:50 - Defense Attorney, Casey Secor - redirect examination of expert witness, Dr. Connor.
2:01:19 - Expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones (Pediatrician, specializes in FASD) direct exam by Def. Attorney, Casey Secor.
5:00:13 - (Cont.) Expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones direct exam by Def. Attorney, Casey Secor.
5:27:36 - State Attorney, Michael Satz cross examines expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones
6:12:42 - Defense Attorney, Casey Secor - redirect examination of expert witness, Dr. Kenneth Jones
6:26:34 - Court in Recess until following day @ 9:30 AM
You’re an absolute lifesaver for people like me with ADHD who struggle to watch some thing for more than 10 minutes straight, thank you Angel😂💜
Thank you for doing this!
Can you tell me if Dr. Conner is on the state's side or the defense's side?
You're the man, Tony! Thanks!
@@trailrider7046 I deleted the previous answer as the defense just rested. The prosecution is not ready so they will restart the trial in 12 days with their witnesses.
Audio has been terrible on these lately...
Seriously
Addi said L&C could do nothing about it but volume on WPLG stream was perfect.
This seems to be only happening on Law & Crime network, other networks carrying this trial are not having the audio issue. I have my TV all the way up to 100 for the volume and can't hear anything going on in the courtroom but the guy via ZOOM (or whatever he's using to testify) is blasting! Someone needs to fix this.
I thought it was my phone.
The audio is shocking.
I've literally got the volume right up.
Lots of ploughing of the pre-birth assaults on the foetus soil but no real explanation of how this led to the deaths of all those innocent students.
10000% agree. TONS of people with FASD (I was in social services for a few years before I had to leave) and they did NOT go on killing sprees. Quit wasting tax dollars and get to the point of this already! These families have suffered enough because of this gross killer.
@@HereComesKarma Yes! 🎯
I do love Mr.Secor! No matter what his job is right now…. He is such a polite and kind man. I would love to meet him some day.
He’s the most respectable one out of all the lawyer’s
@@annmariefernandez9121 Mr. Satz is the best. Then Secore. Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
Great witness - well informed , professional , kind , honest .
Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
Idk about you guys, but I have never once in my life used "trigger finger" to describe the pointer or index finger. Not very slick at all, Mr prosecutor 🙄
Exactly, but the witness nailed him!!! The witness was really Good.
They were speaking of NC being in ROTC and his skills there.
@@TennesseeYaya Even before that though, the prosecutor was calling it a trigger finger referring to the tapping test that was given to NC
LOL
That Nero guy made me laugh he was sticking it to the prosecutor I'm on the states side I just don't like that bald guy
I have so much respect for the stenographer!
Most definitely!
Yes much respect for then talent of a stenographer
Did she say that there is a special juror that she’s worried about? Is that why all the breaks? They have a special need? 5:58:10
I just heard that… wtf
There is one pregnant
Bruh😂 no .
Fred guttenberg is in the room along with the doretts. How can they stay so calm and not go after this guy. Prayers to the families. End gun violence.
I can not believe these guys still do not know after 4.5 years what to do with a guy that shot 34 people in 10 minutes in cold blood.
Same bs with the Daybell Vallow case.Dragging out justice.Judge needs to get this moving to a conclusion.
I think she's trying. You can see how frustrated she is...
The jury is in the process of deciding…
6 minutes and was so coward he couldn't kill himself!!!!!
Because that's how court cases go ~ they drag!
Dr. Jones may seem a bit chatty for court but he's definitely a very intelligent man who has appeared to work so hard his whole life. This disorder like many others are never acknowledged enough for the Doctors and specialists who work so hard for us and the future of our children to understand what alcohol can actually do! I love his energy and intelligence and really think he needs to be treated more respectfully by the state. This Dr is not defending NC by any means you can tell he's actually intrigued to see all the actual legal documentation done over this young man's life because as a medical professional myself it's just something you don't see often or ever. Like he said it's the first time ever he's seen so much documentation. It blows my mind that with all the help the adoptive mom tried to get and all the trouble and behaviors he had over all these years it ended up so tragically! If just one person really perused his case and history this really probably could have been prevented somehow. Prayers continue for all the families involved. I do love this Judge and I could listen to this Dr's knowledge and stories through his lifetime over coffee ☕️ ❤️ !!! Prayers for the families once again 🙏 😢 💔
NC also had many, many counselors, psychiatrists, etc. How on earth can anyone put together a cohesive linear accurate analysis? To much transference of information and varying reinterpretation of any tests or data on NC throughout. His condition was not identified early enough to give any forewarning as his diagnostic history is actually a fine mess.
Well said!!
@@Leah.C. Agree agree agree!! As an educator of 30 plus years, 3 degrees, children of my own, I must disagree with this most lovely witness… he is so knowledgeable as a pediatrician, but his characterization of children with neuropsychological alcohol spectrum disorder, and the “stigmatization” of this diagnosis within the school system, is not current. Perhaps 30 years ago? Not now. Our schools, as well as our society, are melting pots of children of various backgrounds and “issues.” Yes, I’ve taught children as those he described in the regular classroom but I look back now at those children and not one, though some were severely “challenged” in the areas the Dr mentioned, have ended up being mass murderers.
The prosecution’s bald headed lawyer did a great job pointing the orchestration of the defendant. Therefore putting to rest the fetal alcohol argument.
It is about money. This good doctor did not charge a cent 😇
They take more breaks than I do….and I have been retired for six years……
Apparently the jury is a very needy group of 22 people
Sound is awful
There is something going on with the AUDIO feed from the courtroom. I can barely here anything anyone is saying in the courtroom (I have my TV up as high as the volume will go) and can still barely here anything. This happened Monday and now has happened at Tuesday's hearing as well. Can someone please address this?
Other streams have better volume.
@@geoffpoole483 Yes, I've switched over, now I have to deal with a huge BANNER at the bottom of my screen now lol
The state, the defense, and the judge owe it to these families and the jurors to hash this out on their own time. The family has waited long enough for a decision on this. And when they are all over the place like this in front of the families i find it so disrespectful.
the families I'm sure show up wanting to hear every detail, knowing they will have to hear this. there is a room they can go to if they prefer not to.
It’s a bloody circus
This trial looks like a comedy show its an insult to the families and the victims.
I agree it's been a circus but the defense had to by law put on the best defense they can. but agreed the worst was the judge allowing the neighbor to run (or whatever you call that) in front of the jury, I couldn't believe the defense even requested it to be done.
The audio is awful. Can't hear anything.
Watching the replay. The medical doctor is clearly an expert witness and though I am interested in his information about symptoms of FAS, I don’t understand why the court let this phase of the judicial process go for so many weeks with so much repetitive information.
They're asking for death penalty. If he wasn't given chance to mitigate he would get an appeal and we would start over. There also never been trial like this, so don't know what you're comparing it to. If i sat in the jury box I would want to hear everything before sentencing someone to death/life in prison.
Wow. The longest penalty phase of all times, at least the longest I can remember. Was any sociopath ever offered so much good will, so much attention throughout his life, including psychological evaluations, special supportive classes and supervision, teachers who sat with him in class just to monitor his behaviour etc. - not to mention wealthy adoptive parents who really cared about him. And now he has 5 lawyers fighting for him left and right and what do they allege: society failed this guy. No matter what the outcome will be, I doubt there will ever be an execution. There will be appeal after appeal, just more heartbreak for the families and survivors.
Well said. Spot on
It's not good will. It's about his right under the law, and I assume you would want that right too if you had committed a crime.
Exactly. we should be making the families a priority but I guess that's our faulty justice system. Four years!!! All those supports...many don't even get those and now we're supposed to have sympathy for this monster that not enough was done? Ok. Honestly, just put him out of his and everyone's misery already. He's caused enough life long trauma to others.
That's how it works in death penalty cases. If you don't like it, this would have been resolved months ago if there was no death penalty on the table. Having it on the table ensures that this case takes far longer to resolve and if he is sentenced to death, it will be decades more. If he's sentenced to life in prison, we can all forget about him, he'll rot in prison and we can turn our thoughts to the bereaved victims who can finally focus on healing and recovering as much as they can.
I’m only interested because my mom is a alcoholic and she drank with me but I was born in 68 but my problems are nothing like this case . I don’t have a hurtful bone in my body Im actually totally different. He is a sociopath 100% but I’m not sure where that comes from genes or environment.
The best part of watching this is when the State cross examines the Defense"s witnesses, and either poke holes in the witnesses testimony and/or make excellent points to refute the Defense's goal of underhandedy getting information in. The State prosecution has an awesome team.
Agree
I LOVE the judge's "shhhhhhh"...😆
They take more breaks than I do at my job 😅
Does your job include making a decision about whether a man should live or die? I suspect it’s pretty harrowing for the jurors, witnesses, lawyers, gallery and even the judge.
It sounds like jury is asking for breaks. Judge has to stop few times as jurors asked for break.
Love this Judge!!!
This is nothing. Did you watch the Dr. William Husel trial? There was a break every hour. That judge was ridiculous
I've been watching live trial for quite some time now and I've NEVER, EVER seen and heard such a sleazy, disrespectful, pathetic and more DESPERATEE defense team in my whole life. They are 100% taking advantage of the Judge
But the whole trial is a circus. Good god America get a grip of your legal system. The victims and the accused are just pawns in a battle of poor pseudo intellectual tit for tat. Half of the arguments are irrelevant and derailing
Stick to the fu****ing evidence. I would hate to be part of this charade.
You are so right. The judge looks like she’s at breaking point and the poor families must be so frustrated with the whole thing…
Totally agree.
Amen AC!
Judge is fine. She can hold her own.
Sound is awful! I have my volume up to 80 out of 100 for my tv.
wow this doctor is amazing… really knows what he’s talking about and is clearly passionate about it- i wonder if he’d met nik earlier all of this might have turned out different
Exactly what I thought, many lives would have been saved I expect
1:00:45 I'm not sure there's a direct "malingering test" as the lawyer refers to, since having such a specific test to predict a certain behavior is impossible. Maybe he knows that and is attempting to capitalize off it.
Dr. Jones put a great deal of emphasis on the meconium-stained amniotic fluid. My first child went about a week over his due date and, me being a new mom, had a longer than necessary labor. The doctor finally resorted to forceps and vacuum extraction to get him delivered. He had aspirated some meconium at birth and had an initial APGAR score of about six, as I recall. The delivery team used a bulb syringe and maybe a little oxygen therapy. At five minutes his APGAR was nine, I think. My son has just graduated from a nearby university and is now a graduate student at that university. He is a calm, well-balanced individual. Meconium-staining is NOT a definitive factor for any sort of mental or emotional issues later in life.
Same….they don’t seem to be asking if many other problems can cause these apgar scores and staining. Yes is the answer and he seemed to fail the other physical features tests.
Startling ice water pour at 4:56:57 😆
That was loud and clear
I hate it when lawyers try to trip up professional medics or professionals and then have to back down and say on more than one occasion I stand corrected. You look pathetic and I’ll prepared. You would think these poor buggers were on trial and the aggressive and undermining behaviour or trying to undermine is clutching at straws. Stick to the bloody evidence and stop trying to derail with poor ill thought through argument and attempting to undermine professionals whatever side they are witnessing for. I despair watching this. No wonder the parents of the victims have thinned out.
Yes! I’m glad there are more comments like this lately.
Agree, the prosecutors clearly don’t believe in the science of psychiatry and neuroscience.. i pity the jury who can only go on the belittling of the experts by the prosecutor
Come on now folks, this doc is arrogant as he attempts to save a mass murderer😠
@@mistiblu246 Not sure whether he is arrogant or just presenting the facts as he sees them? Not sure but ultimately the kid murdered many innocent people. That is an indisputable fact.
Closing arguments, already.
For all who are saying the prosecution is simply out for blood…..pay attention to how poorly the defense witnesses have been educated and prepared for this case.
I'd too be out for blood if I were the prosecution. They are fighting for 34 victims and their families, and since their state has the DP, they must go for it. I don't think the defense experts are ill-prepared though, they just don't have a defense. No matter which FASDs they claim he has, the bottom line is that his executive functions and coordination work just fine.
@@StellaFl Exactly!
@@StellaFl especially the planning he did, the recording, the searching. it was not just an instant outburst where he grabbed the gun. He planned it for weeks.
@@STCatchMeTRACjRo Indeed! Planned it for months probably, he was even reported to the FBI for commenting on TH-cam how he wanted to be "professional school shooter", I think September 2017.
Everyone is impressed by Doctor Jones and I’m like, “I’ve never heard a doctor use ‘Um’ so many times”. Lord.
Gotta love how the prosecution insists on using POINTER FINGER. I can ALWAYS tell with words they use what narrative they want to push discreetly. It’s all a mind game. It’s to discreetly place things in the minds of the jurors. I love how the specialist caught on and corrected everytime.
I thought prosecution called it the trigger finger?
You mean trigger finger. But yes, Dr Connor was an extremely good witness and totally held his own.
Hopefully you're not supporting the killer but I appreciate the attention to detail. Ur probably right about "mind games" being used, etc on both sides.
@@HereComesKarma I support the defense 100%. The death penalty is a ridiculous concept and like something from the Middle Ages. At some point in the future when the death penalty is gone, people will look back at those governments that put people to death in the same way that we look back at those who said that people were depression or low IQ were 'lunatics' and locked them away in an asylum.
Thankfully the death penalty will most definitely be gone at some point. States are finding it more and more difficult to find legal ways of murdering people.
@@christianjward cause he makes his living off of doing this…
The volume is so low I can barely hear this and my device volume is to the max limit
Why is this still going on? It’s a money grab for all of the lawyers and their team, which is pretty disappointing. It keeps going in circles.
Money grab how? They are public defenders and state prosecutors?
The dude pled guilty. The facts are facts..this should have been finished long ago. I agree ..long drawn out ..each is being paid by state and we keep hearing the same questions asked in different ways. If it's on the record..dont draw it out. Point it out if it pertinent to your side of case..its what disgusts me with lawyers and our justice system. Just stop ..get to closing arguments and let it be over all ready.
A money grab?
Lol, they all work for the state
Be glad people aren't just quickly thrown to prison or death etc ~ it has to be certain... Imagine if it was you there or someone you loved! Could even be innocent... No space for mistakes.
1:03 Or, you could just spray the room with enough rounds that some of your hits will repeat in small areas. WTF, man..? This is basic probability math. What game are you playing, here?
I love Dr Jones! What an intelligent man with expertise.
Is his intellect, neurological damage or not more important than the fact he bloody murdered a whole bunch of innocent people? I want to scream
Not more important but it’s a consideration
The jury will need to decide that. In my opinion, though, I don’t think it’s a mitigation factor that outweighs the aggravating circumstances.
@Michele Cusack ME TOO!
The defense is doing their job by trying to save his life. Brain damage is probably the only avenue they have to do that.
The Doctor talks about hope… there is no hope for the 17 families who lost their loved ones that day. A diagnosis would not have prevented this EVIL .
Wasn't yesterday a waste of taxpayers money!!
This is so sad.
Not a popular opinion I guess, but is there any justice to the tragic loss of so many lives by pursuing the death of other?
The system failed in so many ways. Cruz was clearly a terrible child who shouldn’t have been in a normal school or allowed to own a gun, expelled and left alone after so many cries for help from those around him. Death penalty has been shown not to be a deterrent…
I really think the only hungry to kill are from the prosecution… Their interventions seem very violent to me.
Agreed. And I’m sorry but all the people complaining about tax payers dollars well you can thank the prosecutors for that because they could have just said life in prison from the get go. This trial is only happening because THEY want the death penalty. I do t agree with the death penalty. This person CLEARLY had and has issues. Everyone failed him. He did a HORRENDOUS act he killed innocent young people. He deserves punishment but not death. Why kill him? What good does that do? He’s already in jail and will stay there until end of life. He will not harm other innocent people ever again.
He should have been instutionaluzed early on in a boys school kept away from society. As for the death penalty, that's not violence. That's protecting the rest of us from a homicidal maniac who might get back out to kill again. It's happened so many times.
Prosecution are not there to take witnesses word. They are arguing possible problems with their testimony.
@@robinmartz9052 the only other punishment available is life without parole… So I don’t know how society would be at risk. Cruz is already guilty…
Death penalty isn’t even cheaper for society and in my opinion inhumane.
It’s such a tragedy and sadly not unique… I guess my feelings goes more to understanding and prevention & for me that starts understanding what went wrong.
I was thinking the same thing
Wish we new history of his real dad
Why 🧐
@@floydboydjr7590 I’m just interested for my own knowledge
We know his real dad liked unattractive hookers lol
His “real” dad was Roger Cruz. The birth father was nothing more than a sperm donor. A low-life who consorted with hookers.
This is such a snooze when is it gonna be over with
Attorney Satz is a class act! Cruz is hoping all this hoopla will get him off the hook, I say not with Mr Satz at work.
So jut two absolute potatoes for defense witness today?
I honestly don’t see any care in that boys face absolutely no remorse sitting there colouring and drawing while these people are working extremely hard discussing wether he should live or die🤷🏻♀️I quite believe that he’s probably thinking about how he’d feel if he could get hold of a couple of guns and shooting the people of the court😳I think he’s obsessed with feeling powerful and cares nothing of whom he hurts or kills
@chandra. Well just think about how you feel about his behavior while all these court proceedings are going on and all you heard about his birth mom while she was pregnant, his life (nicks) and tell me what's so odd about his behavior in court. And respectfully I don't want no crap about the crime what he did was horrific to put a word to it. He's guilty we know it he knows it. This is about life or death and we're there circumstances in his life and mental capacities that attributived to his hanious actions.
@@kissaferguson9078 You have a point!!!!
He’s sitting quietly & behaving. My guess is that he hates all of this & prefers death penalty but who knows. I don’t think he’s thinking about shooting everyone though… I think he’s bored and wants it to be over
He is so bored out of his mind. Whether he wss guilty or innocent, it's simply human nature that sitting in one place all day, unable to move about at will, listening to proceedings that are often above his comprehension level, unable to speak and only to whisper, wearing a bullet proof vest under one's clothes (uncomfortable), being in this situation for weeks and weeks, results in a young man who is bored out of his mind.
He says he wants death. He draws it and has told his team of lawyers.
Mr Satz and mr Secore are complete opposites.
I liked the doc's "lecture", it's interresting, but maybe not always relevant to the questions asked. You can tell he teaches. And nice that he does not charge for anything. However, it is sloppy not to have read any of the prison records. They are often quite informative for experts.
And again, Lynda tried and got Nik help and wanted to give him more help bc she knew that adhd was the wrong diagnosis.
My first question to this expert would be, "is it possible for a person who would benefit from a low score to purposely do poorly on these tests?" 2nd question, why was he never given these tests prior to taking the lives of 17 people and severely effecting the lives of many others.
He was and he was repeatedly flagged as having serious mental issues throughout his life.
That question are for his former psycs and psycologists. And frankly, his intelligence level might not be that calculating. Not all tests are easy to know what is a good perfomance.
Peggy, he actually scored average to high average. The two defence witnesses Dr. Conner and Dr. Jones completely destroyed Nicolas Cruz. Specially Dr. Jones. He said he doesn't have fetal alcohol syndrome, not even partial fetal alcohol syndrome.
Because all these people were also failed by a system.
@@km3470 Dr. Jones got many things wrong. It seems he's invested against death sentence. He admitted during cross examination that he is ignorant of many critical facts. Watch Day 27 witness Dr. Scott dismantling him.
(05:43:21) the moment defence decided to rest their case.
What is next, Day 1000?
The outcome of this case will overturned by way of a mistrial due to the judge constantly making uniformed decisions.
I know some think she is pretty. But unfortunately she is pretty poor at making judgements and rulings.
She is a pretty woman, I think she knows that, but I think she was definitely the wrong choice for this trial. It is apparent, and she has said herself she is not knowledgeable about many things. She should probably be in civil court, cases that involve debtor warrants and such. I am sure the victims families feel let down.
@@jenylyn72 I think it's a case of lacking experience rather than ability.I've read that this is her first DP case. Mass shooters are often shot by law enforcement at the scene so a mass shooter coming to court is a bit unusual. Then there's Cruz's complex and tragic backstory which started when he was conceived. Many things went wrong in his life; his adoptive parents were unsuitable for a child with his needs and ailments; his schooling was a mess.... We'll never know whether the right interventions would have prevented the shooting from taking place but there should be measures put in place to ensure a child with a backstory similar to Cruz will not only be offered the necessary help but steps are taken to ensure it's taken up.
Sorry, but bad day for defense. I am confused, are parents stigmatized or relieved when diagnosis is made.
Lynda didn't hide it, I wouldn't introduce my child as "This is my adoptive son, his mother was an addict during pregnancy". It's accessible in his records and he was her son...
I don't see the defenceless boy they're describing. He obviously can do research, remembers which bullets go with ar15, has great hand eye coordination, has fine motor skills to reload several times, work in order, run away and disguise, bully only selected people etc....
We heard professionals testify diagnosis made no difference as treatment is based on symptoms. You're also talking almost 20 years of progress in special needs. Obviously, things are different now.
Audio of the lawyer is hard to hear
Ridiculous,when witnesses are asked to use micro phone so much …. we can not hear lawyers questions can’t some one let tech guy know?
Where is the sound?
The volume is not the same as usual. Today it is very quiet.
Death penalty it’s a pretty easy choice if you ask most people. Dude killed 17 innocent people and injured another 17. Not to mention tried to taze correctional office so that’s like 35-36 counts there should be no trail over this and definitely shouldn’t last this long.
Yeah I think it comes down to if people believe in death penalty or not ~ the ones who do probably all want it for him, and the ones who don't would give life instead.
If you don't believe in death penalty you're excluded from being on this jury.
at times this is so unproffessional smh
I reckon I've heard the judge talking about "thank God for Coffee, slurping away unwrapping sweets or cough drops, the amount of times she's asked the lawyers "well so what do you want me to do?" If the penalty phase is like this imagine an actual trial.
The defense did a poor job of prepping their witnesses. They should have been informed about the prosecution's research and documentation so that they would not appear "ignorant" or uninformed about the defendant's actions. The various doctors' opinions would carry more authority if the jury didn't hear them admitting to how much they didn't know about his actions.
This is gonna have to be retried cause this judge over rules all the defences objections
She seriously is rude
Boohoo she's being in your eyes "rude" to a murderers defense
Does anyone know why They can't mention the fact that none of his postings were reported to FBI?
Is that what the judge said? It may not be relevant to sentencing.
In the end, nobody wins in this case. So many lives changed so drastically, so many people were injured and killed. Sadly, however, as someone raising twins with FAS, I do understand this disorder and the attempt by the defense. One thing that I am waiting for, and fear will not happen, is this. People with FASD's may be identified, but the typical forms of treatment, therapy and educational services provided in this country are NOT FASD INFORMED, and so are not the effective treatment modalities. Yes, NC got tons of services, but they did not address his cognitive and learning difficulties in ways for him to then learn more, have better and different supports to then be more successful. This is so common for our children. Everyone sees their behaviors as willful purposeful and premeditated, when actually they are cognitively impaired, and then punished for their difficulties. After years and years of feeling this way, getting therapies adnauseum, feeling so different, but not having those difficulties addressed in an FASD informed way...........these individuals with an FASD loose all hope, become depressed, angry, and start heading in unsafe directions. MOST will not become school shooters, but they are so misunderstood. We really need systems change in this country re FASD.
At 5:09....Now this is what I have been waiting for! This is a lifelong disability that needs very specific treatment from permanent clinics for the rest of their lives.
Kristen - I have watched this entire trial from Australia, and agree with everything you and Dr Jones have said. In my own experience and understanding, most counsellors/therapists/providers are NOT trauma-informed in any way at all! Whilst feeling nothing but compassion for the tragic loss forced upon everyone in that community, one only has to read through the comments on this post alone to feel the HUGE stigma spoken of by Dr Jones and the unwillingness to try to comprehend the whole picture. No amount of diagnosis and support is going to ever be effective if it is the wrong (or missing) diagnosis. As an adoptive mother, I wish you well with your dear children.
@@kristeneriksen2946 - not only is Dr Jones empathic and compassionate, he has devoted his life and knowledge to families with children & adults afflicted with this devastating lifetime disorder/syndrome, and to teaching other professionals.
Many have healthy babies born without any pregnancy medical attention.
Many children are born of drinking/drug mothers and don't comment mass murder.
Evil is evil, no excuses. You are who you are.
The expert witnesses for the defense are some of the best I've seen in trials, very solid work in that regard. Often lawyers would only strive to find an expert who would have an opinion benefitial to their client and it always shows. This here feels much more like a natural progression of their case, I really like it.
I wish all doctors had the demeanor and intelligence of doctor Jones.
I wonder why they don't put those headphones on Nicholas Cruz? If my life was on the line you can bet I'd be listening to ever word instead of coloring in a coloring book! Seems like this case has just been rushed through when the prosecution decided they were going to seek the death penalty. I don't think he can comprehend enough of what's going on to assist his attorneys.
This is by far one of the longest penalty fazes I’ve ever seen. Nothing has been rushed here, I believe he also has the option to wear said headphones but has chosen not to as he doesn’t care.
@@km3470 no I wasn't joking. He is able to hear everything they're saying and it is his right to use those headphones. In my opinion he should get life in prison without the possibility of parole. He could be used to help us prevent these tragic school shootings. I live near uvalde and I have a friend that lives in uvalde and grew up there with her family. Everyone in that town knew that that man was a troublemaker. He had been in trouble with the law multiple times. The people of uvalde are really upset with the man that sold him those guns in the uvalde gun shop knowing full well how dangerous he was! We need to raise the age to buy an assault rifle to 21. I feel strongly about this because at the age of 18 your record is expunged unless you got charged as an adult. It was only a matter of time before he committed another felony in fact there was a warrant out for his arrest at the time of the shooting. Everyone in law enforcement in that town and those that participated that day need to be fired! That back door was broken and it wouldn't lock so it didn't have anything to do with a rock placed in it it had to do with poor funding for a School located in an area with a lot of poverty.
I want to learn how to prevent school shootings and if that means putting Nicholas Cruz in prison for life then I'm okay with that.
This post either Hass to be satire or you haven’t seen any of the trial
@@Banana34598 I'm not joking, everybody is saying that he hasn't average IQ that he can understand things! So why the f isn't he listening to the sideboards and what the lawyers have to say? Put him under a prison somewhere where he can be studied and maybe we can learn how to prevent some of the school shootings. It is my opinion he doesn't even deserve the death penalty that would be way too easy. I also do not think he has an average IQ I think it is below average by how much I don't know. If they consider Nicholas Cruz to have an average IQ no wonder America is in such a disastrous place right now.
He obviously is not competent to help his attorneys or he would listen to what they're saying and comprehend it. It was a big mistake not to call his brother to the stand in my opinion.
They took almost 4 years preparing. George Floyd’s trial happened in about 6 months.
Wow now picking on jurors, what a class act
They are obviously pregnant lol
Felt like I'm attending college classes that meet once per WK but for 3-4 hrs. And I'm doubt any jury was interested in learning these topics.
The jury whether interested or not a a duty to the families to hear all they can in order to make the right decision. Don't discount them like they don't care.
@@misswildlife7905 we should all be listening because until these babies that are born to addicted mothers are recognized and treated properly this will keep happening educators are not properly trained to help diagnose these children
He doesn't know when to shut up
Bless him! (Yikes!)
I’m surprised some of the parents are still there
Of course they are still there!
They’re children are dead because of this guy. Wouldn’t you still be there?
Are they still on break?
@@fore101 All the parents aren’t there, so it seems to depend on the individual.
It's very difficult being in two places at once when you have surviving children to feed and a mortgage and car payments. I'm sure they would rather be sitting in that courtroom every day. The reality is they can't.
@@fore101 Not sure I'd want to hear the poor killer's pity story if I was one of those parents. Be respectful please. A parent in this situation can only take so much.
This trial has convinced me that psychology, behavioral therapy, and case management are not effective. They have become nothing more than assistance in finding excuses for bad behavior. Bring back accountability.
Paul Connor is clearly anti-death penalty and pro-big paycheck for himself. What a quack.
What draws you to that conclusion? Because it's very clear the killer have behavioural issues, deficits and impairments. Should he have received ongoing, proper support for his needs, throughout childhood it's very likely he may not have done what he did. it does not absolve him of his crime, having these issues caused by his worthless mother, but it's a contributing factor and cannot be ignored.
Psychology and therapy is indeed effective when used appropriately. Like any treatment, if used ineffectively it has repercussions.
agreed
@LF. Exactly. If one is familiar with probability, statistics and testing, one can make a test to prove or disprove anything the “tester” so desires. Kinda unbelievable defense enlisted this guy to do anything. Nothing he does requires board certification. Wow, higher salary than 325.00/hr?
@@twodeadsticks2882 The killer was seen by numerous professional psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, counselors, and case managers. His adoptive mother and his brother were seen and spoken with during this entire period. His problems were witnessed and reported by every teacher he ever had and their reports were ignored. Any one who knew him at Marjory Stoneman Douglas called him the "next school shooter." How is it that the professional idiots missed it but 15 year olds had him pegged? Coddling and medicating him did not work. He clearly knew right from wrong and deserves a swift execution.
The judges literally sitting there laughing about f****** candy when these parents have lost their children it's absurd absolutely absurd and this is not the first time that the judge has done this
What she supposed to do
@@gamingedgenetwork9413 Her behavior is inappropriate seeing the case before her.
How so?
She is very down to earth and very funny and the victims families love her. She had the whole courtroom in stitches today. It’s nice to have a little comic relief when the subject matter of the trial is so tragic and depressing. The families and the jurors love this Judge. And for good reason. She is completely professional and composed during all of the testimony when it’s go time. Your comments are way off
@@sophmercer Totally agree! She is human!
Why is he not in prison uniform???
It’s prejudicial if the jury sees him in prison uniform.
@@slaws2279 He should be in a freakin prison uniform… accompanied by chains. ( human opinion only)
If he's not in prison where is he ?
80 witnesses from defence, 26 done 54 left
And all at the taxpayers expense
Gosh that's depressing to see. It feels like they have had 9,000 witnesses. I can't believe they have 54 more. It seems excessive.
I didn’t realize that. Thank you for posting
Oh man you really just 💩 all over my day? 😂 Are ye serious??
defenSe
Bruv imagine having to go to court for 7 hours a day everyday bruv i would just off myself
Someone should cut to the chase and deal to him the way he dealt to the 17!! Over and done with!
@@nzkiwiange 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Not something I would want to do
Not sure what's going on with the audio here, but on WPLG Local 10 the same video plays with the ZOOM witness/attorney volume balanced equally ... L&CN audio improves with second expert at 2:00:00
Entitled does not mean required
Loosing both parents is devastating to anyone, not just a child with FASD
I don't know how the defence can call them witnesses, they weren't there 🤔.
Not all witnesses are Eyewitnesses
These are witnesses to the mitigating factors
They are expert witnesses. NC has mental health issues.
They can still be “witnesses” without being eyewitnesses to the murders.
Neuropsychological disorders do not include mass slaughter murders that require weeks of planning and expert marksmanship. ?? Part of my education and 3 degrees are in “psycho babble.” Everybody “blames” everybody but the person who did the mass murder and he could care less! He got what he wanted … to kill and be famous! And he WANTS the death penalty. Please, please, somebody give it to him!!!! (No I have never been an advocate of the death penalty. Until now.)
Are they on break still?
Get on with it.
This nonsense has to stop ,no consideration for the victims souls and families,shame on them n thia judge is a disaster i knew it from the begining
@@khamzicrz yes they are but didn you notice tgat she is z only judge that cant control the court room and has to waste lots of her time speaking long paragrahgs to the lawyers,i ve never seen that in any other trial,judges words are firm n she cant do that ,she seems lost to me ,this case is not for her
@@khamzicrz they're hard to handle because they have absolutely no respect for her. And that's her fault.
I have to say I don’t care for the defense (surely FLA can beat this?) and love the state’s attorneys, but I don’t think either of them have been “mean” to a witness. The judge has done a great job under very bad circumstances… just my opinion.
@@TennesseeYaya The old male prosecutor hasbeenvery good. Theredhead prosecutor less so.
@@geoffpoole483 I like them all. (You know what they say about “opinions.” LOL
How does "entitled" mean its optional lol
It’s interesting because they are talking about fetal alcohol signs in children. Nik is an adult. So he has grown up and learnt more about how to control his “tamper tantrums”
They should be comparing Nik as a child to fetal alcohol children and also to compare Nik now as an adult to other fetal children grown up. Including hallmark characteristic’s. Nik as a kid looks so abnormal as an adult not so much. All of this is interesting also for future studies and cases.
The brain is irreversibly damaged with fetal alcohol syndrome. It’s not like the grow out of it. And it effects everyone differently. By no means am I making any excuses, but I have 2 children who’s mother drank while pregnant and many people have told me that while they seem fine now, there will likely be things that come out long term.
FAS is a life long affliction
A lot of things in adulthood are influenced by how you were as a child..
It’d be more helpful to fry him and use his brain for research.
He only had big ears. I know lots of people with big ears and they are normal and some kids have big ears or a big nose etc doesn't mean they have FAS. Just my own opinion
Is this ever going to end?
When they take lunch break and go into recess, do they feed the shooter for lunch? If so what , And where do they get the food because I don't think courts have a cafeteria but I could be wrong.
Guys. Wtf is ruz constatly scribbling on and showing the lawyers? He doesnt stop
Constantly needing attention.
He's been doing this throughout the whole trial. He only pays attention when it benefits him. He mostly connects with the girl to his left, not much to the one on his right. Body language seems he doesnt care much for her.
@@MargaretDL12 yes but wtf is he drawing or writing i just dont get it!? The lawyer on the left of him looks like a witch from tge 1800s and tge one to his right, i mean she just sits there on the computer. What does cruz do, he legit sits down and opens a book and starts writing.... surely someone knows. And why does he get a feesh sweater and large starbucks every morning ? He is getting treated like a king
@@jeremyjazwinski6349 i wouldn't be surprised if the gal on the computer's REAL job is to babysit Nikolas.
@@trailrider7046 i know they must sit by his sides. Im like the only person whp actually knows things.
Cruz wears a bullet proof vest. But i cant gind out what he writs or draws all fk day. And he keeps asking the lawyer to his left who looks like a wtvh from the 1800s questions
what did they take a break and then shut down early again today?????
Boredom lol
23:07 just curious- ?
when the judge ( she is moody Af 😣- yeah yeah I know not a popular opinion) asked ms bashman ( sp? ) why isn’t Mr Secor speaking on the issue instead; would this not be the same thing as Ms McCann speaking for Mr Satz? She doesn’t have an issue with that…
Ps sorry for the spelling and run ones. Not to good with talk to text😂🤪
And one last thing- no I’m not a sympathizer but she rules on emotion and she didn’t say shi* ( the judge ) to red headed attorney yesterday in regards to standing when speaking to her!
And yes you were calling out “Someone sitting on floor going thru files” I honestly think Secor ( sp ) is a stand up guy- no pun intended
I do apologize if truly offending anyone! I’m having a hard time on being sympathetic to the other side- I know they are just doing their job but it’s hard
-Rules for thee not for me
I don't care if he's had evaluations or problems. He had his chance to have a decent life . He chose to pull the trigger many times to end other lives! Please God help the victims families to get through this & hopefully justice will be served. He should have no rights 😡😥
What a circus.
I still think addict mothers should not be ALLOWED to carry through a pregnancy if they can't stay sober! They should be in some locked-up facility for 9 months, so the baby can be born healthy and then given to adoption. Otherwise, sorry to say this, either forced abortion OR forcibly tying up their tubes. Heavily addicted women should *never* be allowed bear children! Trouble breeds trouble, and then we have these dangerous half-imbecils causing harm and problems to the society.
How to propose forbidding people to have children? How would you enforce that?
@@wEstEgg8899 Pass a legislation. Sounds harsh, but when you see these crack-addicted street hookers and Skid Row residents pushing babies after babies while being high, it just boils your blood! Something needs to be done about it. I don't know how, and nobody would ask me that anyway, and I understand it sounds harsh and maybe even inhumane to some people, but it shouldn't be allowed....
And get paid for their child.
Volume really sucks on this video
State and defense are horrible for both families and defendant... trash this crap and start over! It's very sad and upsetting for everyone involved!
Please stop being idiotic.
Well we all no he not right does it really matter why ?
It only matters because of the life sentence or death penalty. If he isn't right in the head then most likely hes going to get life. But NC wants death.
@@PAULA1SAAVEDRA I say give it to him!
Skinhead Prosecutor is out of order, behaving like a king. Commenting rudely about the witness Dr.
She shot up a school he’s goes to jail… bye hope he gets help but nope jail
Sorry he
No neuropsychological fetal alcohol syndrome in researching minute details and executing a mass murder!!
why is the sound so low
But for the court to say something it’s by law right... so by law says or according to law but by saying according which means According to means 'as reported by' or 'as stated by' and refers to an opinion which is not the speaker's opinion. By Law means a regulation made by a local authority or corporation. By law the court says the state was required to videotape because the count can only say it if it’s the law so why are they arguing about don’t say law because “according” to law don’t sound legit right am I wrong !
Ps from year 2017 (i think) "external brain" is not used and is replaced by carer or assistant.
And homeschooling is a crazy concept. It is a reason why teacher is a university education. In many countrys it is illegal, wich it should be.
Sounds like the defence just gave this guy a death sentence… his best defence was the alcohol damage caused during his mothers pregnancy…
@E Boston 🤦🏻♀️ seriously??? There may have been some confusion that the woman who adopted him may have been to blame for what happened to him in the womb??? No. Let’s just not.
The prosecuting attorney was brilliant in his cross of the psychologist, throughly and patiently demonstrating how irrelevant his assessment was.