[1.5] So We Finally Know What Happened to Tingyun... (Honkai Star Rail Theory)
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- The Trailblaze Continuance "A Foxian Tale of the Haunted" reveals many new details about certain creatures we didn't know much about before. Surprisingly this new information just might help reveal the fate of Tingyun in the main story. Let's try to connect the dots and see where it leads it!
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You forgot to mention 1 more fact that supports your theory: The Heliobus Purging Manual also says that "short-life species often burn after possession" and since foxians are long life species: Tingyun's body just disappearing into thin air means it was probably an illusion.
Edit:
And remember: Tingyun is the only character that doesn't send you any messages when you get her first copy from the Gacha, she also has no "companion mission" and thus she never becomes "available to visit the trailblaze express".
My theory is that Hoyoverse plans to make a real version of Tingyun in the future and they don't want 2 different companion missions for the same character nor 2 versions of the same character visiting the trailblazer express at the same time.
one more sopourting detail is that scince its short life and weve probably known tingyun for the span of 1.0 to 1.3 (in game that could be 1 or 2 months) the "fake tingyun" is the tingyun we have known for a while cuz tingyun played hide n' seek with us with the robo puppy. although this contridicts the og theory, we knew the real tingyun but we spent more time with fake tingyun because tingyun could easily have been swaped with the fake and real tingyun could just be in a void of clouds waiting for us to save her XD
Force projection
@@S3r1alD3s1gn4tionN i actually replayed the begging of xianzhou quest line recently on my second account and now that i think back with knowledge we have now tingyun's lines and just the way she talked about some things is very sus i now fully believe we never met tingyun at all
@@zonni_you repkayed the xianzhou? i feel so bad for you
And there is another fact. Fu Xuan now stands in the divination commission. You can talk to her about Tingyun and she straight up confirms that since you boarded Xianzhou the one you met was Phantylia. Fu Xuan also says that she has no idea what has happened to the real Tingyun. I think this dialogue is a stepping stone for a future Tingyun arc of sort. Who knows, perhaps we'll see her during the festivities on Penacony. She's an amicassador after all.
I wonder how it will be if we meet the real Tingyun at another planet. We'll be like, "Tingyun?? Is that you??" and then she just "Yes, but who tf are you??".
It's giving "Ariana what are you doing here⁉️"
Fr 😂
March is gonna start bawling and Tingyun is gonna be utterly flabbergasted.
and then I will be like "You're still as Beautiful as the day I lost you"
@@byakugan641ah... Himeko
When you talk to Fu Xuan after the Xianzhou story, she confirms that the Tingyun we met wasn't the true one. She was replaced before.
If this theory is true and we meet with real Tingyun in the future I won't hesitate to pull for her 5-star version for sure
Imagine if her 5 star version would be a Preservation path since she got targeted a lot :')
@@nazatalitulus9601 i wouldn't hesitate to pull her even if she was an erudition character.
@@frostknight7687I'll still pull for her even if she buffs and heals the enemies
she is gonna be hot if the current one was hot
@@nazatalitulus9601 that's okay then, imma pull it, her voice gettting head make me hnnngggghhhh
"The past is in the past! What is there to feel sad about? Live everyday as if it were your last."
This dialogue hits hard while we missed her. Hopefully her real existence is okay
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoy Correct. Those of The Garden of Recollection really does not want March to remember her past. Gosh do I HATE Fuli and others who follow them. Stealing memories of people is denying them from learning from their past. Even if the past is traumatic, you cannot have a future exist without a past. We learn from our past to affect how our future is made. Denying one of their past is denying them of learning from that past. I still hate the IPC more than I hate the Garden of Recollection.
@@zigazav1What if March was a villain that they couldnt defeat (probably millenias ago), their only choice was to seal her and make her forget everything?
Poor Tingyun. She deserved better
There's too many indications Tingyun will return, but I don't necessarily think she's alive.
Another thing we know about heliobi is they really don't die, but they can be shattered into new heliobi that contain personality fragments of the original. The interesting thing about Phantylia is she retained the same speech pattern even after Tingyun "died" which may suggest Tingyun imprinted on Phantylia. We'll deal with Phantylia at some point, which means its possible we'll break a Tingyun off of Phantylia in the process or as a result. Other than being a heliobi, and possibly a partial destruction eminator, that piece would effectively be the Tingyun.
An alternate theory I'm fond of, even if its heavily unlikely, is that copium "Tingyun is the patient on that Natasha Lightcone" but with the reason she's suddenly in belobog is because Aha rescued her, and brought her to a literal post apocalyptic frozen wasteland clinic in the middle of nowhere for treatment, just to troll people.
I can see Aha becoming the "Any goes character that makes whatever the Writer wants happen."
@@silverhawkscape2677with Aha, this does really make sense even if it doesn't LMAO
Lets see if the second theory will age well ❤
Agreed, it says the the Heliobi that possess humans are no longer pure. Afterall, everything Tingyun left behind are gifts for others, and these friends of hers never noticed anything different about he so it's quite likely that Tingyun imprinted on Phantylia. She left the body to possess the arbor, after which she went back into spirit, then disappear, along with the body of Tingyun. Could simply mean that she hopped back in the body and left, especially since nobody else's body is missing.
tingyun couldn t have imprinted on her,they can t combine,tingyun isn t a heliobi in the first place,there are only 2 posibilities
1.Tingyun's real body is somewhere else,safe.
2.Tingyun died.
It was stated in 1.5 that heliobi don't implant thoughts and desires, but rather just amplify them, so many of Tingyun's thoughts about her admiration for the Abundance stem from her actual feelings. I wonder if heliobi possesions have flare-ups and periods of stronger symptoms. It'd be interesting to know what was real Tingyun and what were symptoms of heliobus possesion from the moment we had met her
Now this is an interesting take. What if the Real Tingyun we meet is actually an abundance character because she was interested in also possessing long life or she was interested in the similarities between Foxians and the Borisin. It was said that Foxians were a slave race under the Borisin but they are similar in origin except the Borisin is long lived due to Yaoshi. (I could be wrong)
Another would be that she is actually a Destruction character because she is actually like Clara that she is the self destructive kind with how she prioritised others with her gifts instead of leaving a last will. She might also be such a risk taker that she puts herself in harms way just like how Phantylia did to accompany the crew. Just because you are a pathstrider for Destruction doesn't mean you are with the anti-matter legion. Probably how she got Phantylia's attention.
@@bloodmoon2345 those are some interesting takes as well. I don't much about the Borisin. Idk exactly what the word refers to. I know it has to do with the Denizens of Abundance from Yukong companion quest. I was just talking about some of this with my brother after I wrote my comment:
A scenario that would also make sense is one where the Tingyun we meet is just Phantyllia from the start. But she turned into a fake Tingyun just like that one heliobus turned into Bailu. Phantyllia may have done that when she met Tingyun far away from Xianzhou, because Tinyun travels a lot. The real Tingyun could have stayed there and we could meet her in the future on some new planet. And if she does admire Abundance, imagine us getting a 5 star Abundance Tingyun 😱🥰
Something to think on is Phantyllia is not just a normal Heliobus she is a lord Ravager a personal servant to the Aeon of Destruction. What that means is she might have more powers then a normal Heliobus.
So what that could mean is Tingyun might have normal desires and curiosities about immortality that anyone has but Phantyllia is able to ramp that up to 100s of times more then what it is normally. So the real Tingyun may not honestly be that concerned with it besides an occassional idle speculation and thought but Phantyllia IS concerned with it and so its expressed by her double agent.
@@aleksandar2046 They mentioned that the Borisin is one of the longest races that the Xianzhou is fighting against. They are one of the followers of Abundance that has an army that can rival them and the IPC. In fact, they are rather imperialistic that they conquer planets for them to acquire resources just for themselves and turn the natives into slaves.
The Foxians were one of the races that they enslaved but the Xianzhou managed to save them. Borisin is said to have canine features so they are probably Wolf people. They both originated from the same planet.
I just read in the wiki that the Borisin hoarded a spring that was blessed by Yaoshi which is why they are ageless unlike the Foxians who are just long lived. Both are blessed by Yaoshi but Borisin is just more violent since they are essentially space immortal werewolves and Foxian is more sly and cunning instead of a frontline fighter.
Now I wanna encounter a Borisin character if they really are all evil and violent or if that is just Xianzhou and Foxian propaganda.
Tingyun wasn't evil though
imagine being on a trip returning home and everyone cries in happiness or fear seeing you and someone even dares to say you were dead T_T
Also remember the voice line of Tingyun where she doesn't remember anything about Luocha, yet he does know her pretty well
This suggest that Loucha at least have meet real Tingyun long before the stellaron crisis. I remember a dialogue when we use Trial Dan Heng we can chat Sushang and Loucha, and he replies that he had visited the Loufu a few times. So that knowlegde should be enough that he's acquantaned to Tingyun at some point in the past
@@ernestorio3550 Exactly. There was no reason for Phantylia to be there before the Stellaron crisis. And if she was then she would have to remember Luocha as well. So I assume she was completely uninvolved in these events and will likely come back shocked when she hears what happened
@@akaiyoru2681 precisely. That and it seems unlikely that Panthilia would go as far as to give presents and advice to people around her just to keep image + support sanctus madicus if she's been undercover since wayy back. I could give Yukong a pass since she's too busy being helm master to notice it, but the stories provided by her colleague (the merchant dude at the office), that tea shop girl, etc suggest that the one we (astral express) met is an imposter.
She not knowing him, being inmune to the smoke from the censers, claiming to be "probably younger than (trailblazer)" which isn't true at all makes me believe she was a just an infiltration puppet and not even a real person... Doesn't prevents the real Tingyun from having met a bleak fate though, I hope she can be saved.
For all the faults in the Loufu storyline, killing Tingyun like that and leaving it so open ended would be exceptionally bad writing. And I for one would like to think that they can do better. It was just to quickly glossed over and moved on from. And it makes no sense to me to leave it so open, unless its for giving them an in to reintroduce her later down the line.
i agree
yeah, I kinda dont lose hope and expect this to be a Fu Hua instead of a Himeko, in Honkai in early chapters we saw otto kill Fu HUa, but they revived her later and gave her a proper story arc
Agree. And even with a reintroduction, is still bad writting. This is not a random extra we're talking about, or some NPC, it's a playable character. The death of an important secondary deserves at least more weight, more development that just "ah, she was possed, now dead haha, I'm evil", 4 lines of dialogue about it and move on.
I honestly agree. Even though her death was great for shock value, it’s just shit writing, and it was just…not explained any further? Looking at genshin and Honkai, even GGZ at this point, they can genuinely write better? I have no idea what happened on the xianzhou.
Hopefully they do like reintroduce her and just make this…less confusing.
Well they did give us some context that she might be somewhere and that Yukong will search for her, so maybe they left this open intentionally to work with it in the future, we still have a lot of time before the next planet, so they might as well give an ending to Tingyun Issue too
Actually mara appears to be psychological, Blade and Jingliu keep it bay more or less. So if Heliobus is fully in control, Tingyun's body would be unaffected.
Your right. Just more variables. The rules and nature of mara are hard to understand and this whole thing could go either way.
If I'm not wrong, blade can remain sane because Kafka is there. As for Jingliu, she made a contract (I forgot, Luocha said it when talking to Jing Yuan) that made her able to be sane most of the time.
@@jadepuguon1177 Jingliu keeps herself sane by covering her eyes, Blade gets therapy sessions from Kafka. Either way this just proves that mara is psychological
@@romanadell2430 The memories of mara-struck are the issue, they set in motion a cascade of physical developments within the body. A lot of in-game text akin it to aging and not a curse or disease, so part of it is psychological but it's also physical. If a heliobus entered a host's body and retained all of their memories and experiences, they would be susceptible to it as they retain the cause of the mara-struck in the first place, even if it's surpressed by the heliobus, it remains a dormant part of their psyche. Even if a heliobus can store thousands of years' worth of information, a Foxian host body couldn't.
But if Heliobus is fully in control, the body would burn
She still alive, I believe in her.
She will be back as 5* character in the future
Back to back HSR's content from catwithbluehat? Let's gooo!!!🔥🔥🔥
Imagine Tingyun coming back to the luofu only to discover all her belongings were thrown away on a ship and forgotten about 😭
They can just go get that ship.
i think the reason why tingyun didn't get mara struck might also be the same reason how jingliu came out of mara struck, the blessing of destruction counters yaoshi and the abundance for some reason, that is also why jingliu told jingyuan that it is time for xianzhou to choose it's next path, cause the path of the hunt is not good enough to put abundance in it's grave. this is my thinking though. destruction also helps you revive even after you are dead, so who knows the next tingyun might be a destruction pathstrider.
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoy I am talking about tingyun possessed by phanthylia, the one who may be 5 star unit
What feeds my hopes is that Tingyun was inmune to the fumes from the censers and when told to go back she said that she was "Stronger and younger" than she appeared, in fact being "probably younger than you", something we know not to the true for the real Tingyun, meaning that "guide" of us was an artificial puppet and not the real deal... Please be safe!
Yes, this is perhaps a detail that, for some reason, is very rarely paid attention to and it gives a lot of hope
If you have both Tingyun and Luocha in your account you could also listen to their voice lines about each other. Luocha knows Tingyun. But this Tingyun doesn’t know who he is.
She will comeback soon as an alt character based on leak. 2.4 onward we will comeback to xianzhou.
She was never confirmed dead anyway, just missing, andmyukong still searching for her.
why are u leaking, pls delete
Yes, after playing the ghosts chase quest I can definitely see this theory as a possibility. The only question is why the real Tingyun never contacted or came back to Loufu?
Maybe Is dure that Phantylia disguise make Her travel un other world just to distract Her when she take Her form AND see Tingyun hide desires so maybe the real one in a world where follow the path of abundance
It actually would make a lot of sense. Dan Heng could barely send messages to MC and March, and he was relatively close by. Imagine Tingyun being WAYYY farther and not even knowing the Luofu had a Stellaron. she would continue her travels like regular without reaching out at all.
@@viktorycOr just held captive by Phantylia.
From what i ca tell, lore wise... Cell phone reception is worse than reality... it suck so bad, it blowing
Us as soon as we meet the real Tingyun :
« You’re as beautiful as the day I lost you…🥺 »
So I would like to point out two points from your video that didn't sit well with you:
1. "Tingyun is a long life species so she should have been Mara struck when she entered the crucible."
You have to remember that the mara pellet mixed into the crucible was made by the Sanctus Medicus, who was being lead/manipulated by Phantilya. One major possibility why Tingyun wasn't affected was simply because Foxians wasn't included in the formula. I don't think Phantilya would be stupid enough to help make a pellet that will kill her host prematurely.
2. "Tingyun could still be abroad"
Not possible. Tingyun is an Amicassador, which means that not only is she required to submit regular reports to the Loufu, but she'll submit them via SMS using her cellphone.
Additionally, for the Loufu to conclude that she must be dead, they must know that Tingyun is WITHIN the Loufu during that time. Which is evidenced by the fact that Yukong knows and appoints Tingyun to be the Nameless's tour guides.
If she were abroad at that time, her presence in the Loufu would have triggered a lot of alarms. And she would have been called to explain her presence in the Loufu, instead of being abroad.
that's what I'm thinking for a long time now, it makes no sense how Tingyun's body disappeared, thanks for explaining the whole thing, because some people still don't understand how Tingyun's body was never found and they suddenly believed she is dead, but still, hoping to see her in a 5 star version, if hoyo decides...
Well, the video still explain that it actually makes sense for Tingyun's body to disappear (even if that's her real body)
The COPIUM is very strong with this one, gives hope to Tingyun lovers
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoyI'm not even a fan of Tingyun, I already felt that she's suspicious like a bait. I would be ok if they said that she's instantly dead. But no, they had to do with welt's explaination and a missing body. It's just left a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to writing.
It just feels that hyv is leading to something more.... Maybe they're using this period of lack of information... Maybe sprinkling clues thanks to the heliobus event. The fact she's also got the Lightcone on the battlepass To lure in players when 5 star Tingyun appears, to the point that even if she's a bad unit, people would still pull for her.
Well, that said, you could say that I'm copium to actually good writing.
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoy I have already had my doubts with Tingyun even in her first appearance.. she feels really bait-y to me So I really avoided that situation hahaha. Tbh, I've seen games killing their characters and still let them be playable especially for gacha... Honkai does that... A LOT.
The only difference is yes, they were developed to the audience... They're likeable gives more impact. Tingyun has none... So that's a major flag that they're gonna developed her later. The amount of thirst for Tingyun will explode once she gets her five star. XD
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoy and here guys you can see the effects of planned writing xD
@NoraFoxBoy-TheFoxiestBoy but It works
Basically, Phanty wants Blade's body.
Why?
She wants an unbreakable body, he is cursed with immortality.
blade already mara strucked........she wont like that
@@lamlan2799 The woman has to get her sh*t together, does she want an unbreakable body or not ?
that last part about future Tingyun being a 5 star... the Tingyun we have is already functionally a five star in what she can do I can't imagine if they created a new, stronger version.
Hey nice theory.
Before the event happened my theory was that the stellaron hunters did set free Phantalyia[there was a convo with kafka before the fight we had and set on an adventure to there that seemed like it for me ]
I assumed that Tingyun joined the stellaron hunters or got saved by them in a trade .
I had a hunch for a while that Tingyun will come back as 5*.
The same goes for March 7 and some other wild guesses like for example, Pela Sergayevna. I assume she would be Raiden Mei in disguise.
I think she's just an expy, Sampo though...... We know very little about him.
Assuming Phantylia really is a heliobus, it would also explain why Luocha remembers meeting Tingyun but Tingyun doesn't.
Seeing that Phantylia wouldn't have had full control of Tingyun at the time of said meeting or was merely posing as TIngyun while she was away from the Xianzhou.
After I found out that she died, I was destoryed, until I found out this theory. You don't know how much it means to me. Now I can finnaly sleep well at night knowing that she is still well
holy shit her comming back as a 5* gonna be a 100% giga brain move from hoyo, cuz if she's meta aswell then they're gonna get a lot of money
I don't think that the 5* version of her will be released when she reaapears in future updates but there's a possibility that there will be an event with a free 4* tingyun like the Aurum event one
What if HSR dev planning to surprises us with free 5 star Tingyun during lunar year
That would be too much, but 5 star Tingyun is possible
It might be bit of copium to say that just because the mist turns people into mara-struck that Tingyun wasn't using her real body. One flaw is that in the same scene Fu xuan was holding her breath to avoid being turned and she was just fine. Also the mist may not turn people immediatly but gradually kinda like radiation. Heliobi or specifically Phantiylia may also just negate a persons likeness for being mara struck, but thats just conjecture. Another point Bailu was already established to be possesed in the scene you mentioned, her emotions was intensified and she remarks that she couldnt remember what exactly happened, and that she was sorry for acting out. Possesion doesnt mean Heliobi are strictly trapped in that body, Huo Huo and Tail should also be considered as an example of this. So it could be possible it was just an illusion, however you also pointed out how the green flame left a body behind. Again this could be Phantiylia tricking us, snapping her neck, and burning away the illusion, but also be exactly what it was as the life faded from Tingyuns eyes. Currently the evidence mostly likely indicates that she is dead, but it will probably be left unknown. For the Ravager that symbolises "Self-destruction" it fits her nature to leave us always guessing.
Fu Xuan does not follow us. If you check the dialog, we tell her to come to us after we stop the smoke.
Fu xuan didnt get to the radius
@@CatWithBlueHatplease make a post on hoyolab with hashtags and everything! There really isn't enough of this kind of thing, but there are a lot of people there who understand the lore and it would be great to see their reaction...
truly thank you for this information CatWithBlueHat, the hope that shes stil alive out there is now much better.
If this proves true, we are about to finally get our price for making Tingyun pay the price!
Someday. Yes someday. I will return to this game with smile to know Tingyun still alive. I will wait for that day. Even its takes years to come
Tingyun 5* name is going to be, Tingyun, The Real.
Lmao🤣🤣🤣
I'll be saving up for Tingyun's return as a 5 star character, I love her
I was a Tingyun main, and their treatment of her completely alienated me from the game. I haven't played seriously since Kafka's banner. At this point, it's not even about Tingyun anymore- I'm mad about them refusing to give any closure to the situation. They set it up so ambiguously only to throw her funeral with everyone involved shrugging and moving on. An entire patch's content was dedicated to her, yet provided zero new information about her circumstances. They openly commented that they'd been unable to investigate, yet the ceremony was thrown with all haste anyway. It genuinely felt at that point that they were manipulating people who cared about the character with bait, and stalled for time because they ran out of content. It's left a very very sour taste in my mouth that might prevent me from coming back in the future. This drip feed is too little, too late imho.
I feel something like this, but i return in game if i see tingyun is aliva and i every day watch new and posts in hoyolab for this
I'm with you on that and I don't like the main story of this game-- I play it for everything else. Tingyun is my favorite character and the reason I even checked the game out to begin with and I felt they just threw her away all for cheap shock value. The Xianzhou and 1.2 especially, has been so stupid, in my opinion. There's zero buildup, the Dan Heng and Blade confrontation was lackluster with Yanqing being there for no reason with Jing Yuan showing up out of nowhere. And zero buildup of Phantylia's appearance prior to 1.2, who is just coomer bait. I joked about this with my brother saying that I think 1.2 will always be my most hated story patch for the rest of the game's life-cycle. If Penacony isn't any better, I might be done for good.
@@Fxrrxt2x There's a moderate amount of foreshadowing in some places, but they really didn't capitalize on the twist at all. It was kind of just left to stand on its own when frankly Tingyun was a fairly important NPC that we hadn't gotten incredibly invested in from a story perspective. Strictly speaking, the twist itself didn't matter, they needed to justify it, and they didn't. This also came with the side effect of disrespecting anyone who DID care.
Isn't the entire Heiobi arc setting up for her return? You are probably not going to like it though. It looks like it'll be along the line of Phantylia being imprinted with Tingyun's original personality, making Phantylia a complex character.
If anything in HSR you got to pay special attention to anything Welt says.
I do think it's a bit weird there's a whole aftermath quest about people dealing her death if they're just gonna retcon it later tho? Like I'd love her to be back lore wise but IDK it just seems fishy to me.
That entire parting ritual was because everyone believes Tingyun is dead, and just honouring her due to that belief. Not a retcon because it's unknown if she actually is as welt tells us.
@@swathinghail1943That’s just some BS Welt made up on the spot because March and the Trailblazer were about to cry 😂😂😂
@woahitsfranco5286 is right. It doesn’t make sense why they would do all that ritual just to bring her back later lol. That’s just some bad writing. Her death wouldn’t make any impact at all. It’s like Signora all over again. It’s almost three years since she died and yet people are still hoping she gets resurrected like bruh let it go. Stop the copium.
@@timeflies313 I don't know bro, this video does make some good points
@@timeflies313 @woahitsfranco5286
Did you two miss the point where Yukong says that she will search for Tingyun once the rites are done? For now she buries her because there is no body or anything, but even Yukong doesn't fully believe that Tingyun is dead
bro really didn't pay attention to the story
I'm probably insane, but... If you go to the metal gate near the theatre at Belobog, you will encounter the person/alternate guy there. Is there a high chance that the thing we are seeing is a heliobus? I rather deal with that compared to a full scale Mandela Catalogue kinda stuff.
Oh, I remember that guy. That was creepy. Belobog was creeping me out, in general, though. And then that phone booth encounter? Just a bunch of fragmentum ghost everywhere.
My personal questions for Tingyun's death because it was very questionable.
First, we don't even know her that much. She also never give us a companion mission, and never sends message.
Second, from the first point.. We know that Tingyun was not really significant. (currently, never know bout future.)
Third, if she was not that significant. Then why make her playable? Even when they have planned to kill her as soon as possible, why is she a playable character.. 🤨
Tingyun 😭 my caelus miss her from his harem so much
knowing how hoyo work, panthalia still get hold of tongyun real body and then in another planet we will met her again but it was panthalia again, and in the real final battle against panthalia, the real tingyun help holding panthalia from within, and then she died together with panthalia..... that what likely will happen
finally, an info about her
Thank you for this! I really hoped tingyun was alive and it seems possible that she still is. I love her character a lot😄
The real one still alive
Tbh we dont know her enough to be sad about her death.
Himeko tragedi ptsd ☠️
Yeah, of course. The player definitely knows Himeko very well, it's not like she was literally a minor character with a minimum of screen time in the story before her death and some time after.
I'm the only one who can't understand why people react like this to Himeko's death? This is literally the same as Tingyun, only with the difference that she was important to the main character and her death was more tragic, and we know that she definitely died, and not like in the Tingyun situation where we don't even know for sure if she definitely died.
the thing I don't understand yet is, the Bailu copy has a flame flaying around it, while Tingyun has not + only has a flame effect surrounding her body at the last moment (exactly the same as MC and Gui when they were possessed in the event).
Maybe those are her fan effects?
Seeing baby Huohuo again after so long brings euphoria in my dead heart... ❤
After looking through the information you provided for us, I do believe that Tingyun is very much alive, I do hope we meet her as a 5* adventurer in the future.
so my question is the interaction between Phantylia and Tingyun, in order to behave like Tingyun to the point where her closest acquaintance couldn't even tell she was an imposter, that tells me that Phantylia would need to possess Tingyun, if that's the case, how long was Tingyun possessed? did Phantylia willingly leave Tingyun's body? why didn't Tingyun contact anyone on the Xianzhou about her possession if she was still alive?
I think Tingyun was possessed to the point that her real body burnt out @ 2:59 - 3:02 , but by that time, Phantylia has all the information/memory she needed in order to create the Illusion to continue to pretend to be Tingyun in order to achieve her goal
The problem is that it is specified that the bodies burn out of those who live short lives. Foxilians are still long-lived, therefore fantilia could not burn Tingyun’s body
But it still sounds frighteningly realistic...
i mean, being exposed to the crucible doesn't mean she'd be mara-struck instantly. iirc it takes a while (few hours+ days) to be mara-struck.
Imagine we just meet her in another planet, all clueless that she's been replaced lol
But there is still a high chance for Tingyun’s permanent death!
We are scrapping the bottom of the barrel
I NEED MORE COPE 💀! STFU!
Heh, you still can't admit that... You already entered "Pre-Captain rank" BTW...
No. It makes more financial sense to sell a 5 star updated version.
Heck HI3rd Himeko isn't just dead in the story but dead in financial sales. Despite her newfound Popularity, They can't sell new version of Himeko anymore.
@@silverhawkscape2677 "Despite her newfound Popularity, They can't sell new version of Himeko anymore."
And what's stopping them? Keep in mind that HI3 never heard a famous quote: "people die when they're killed".
Heck, some characters were erased from existence just to come back shortly after.
I hope we'll get to meet her again😭 She's my favorite character since release, I was soo sad while doing the quest and seeing her died😭
The real one is still alive
Tingyun is dead. The manual says that short lived species burn after possession and foxians are not actually counted as long life species as they only live for 300 years. While it sound like a lot, actual long life species lived nearly infinitely and this difference in lifespan is mentioned by multiple foxian npcs. Basically, don't get you hopes up.
Also! The voice of possessed tingyun is different from the tingyun we meet at the start of the game/launch. The in-game tingyun's (the one you use) is the same as launch tingyun. The second I started the 2nd main quest on the xianzhou, I noticed her voice was different immediately.
yep. I've always thought that we never actually met the real tingyun. that it was phantylia the whole time. I played with jp voice and her manner of speaking awfully sounded like one of those conniving characters in anime. anyway, the real one was likely replaced not long before we first boarded the loufu when phantylia as the fake tingyun was in the process of initiating her plan. the real one could either just be off somewhere on another planet still on one of her travels or perhaps being imprisoned by the legion whilst their plan against the loufu was in motion.
Real Tingyun comes back and finds out her belongings have been yeeted into space
Imagine she comes back and she's like "what the fuck happened to all my shit?!"
5:10 man the music hits hard like it seems there's a change meeting her sooner in new region🤧🤩
i kinda think that although the tingyun who died wasent real tingyun i do think that the tingyun we saw after beating her in hide n' seek was swaped out cuz clearly because tingyun felt abit carefree till she felt abit more serious after winning that game
I always thought it was around that time OR around the time of Kafka's interrogation where Tingyun got body swapped. But now, I just think that she was always an imposter, and we never met the real Tingyun.
Let me tell you something, remember the first trailblazing Archon kind of quest thingy? Do you remember when the robo dog lost Tingyun's scent? Tingyun was most likely knocked out and kidnapped by the villians via Phantylia's kind. (Heliobus)
So we have met the real Tingyun, but she was kidnapped or left the country (I don't know about the country part though, that one was random)
Didn't Fu Xuan say that we never met the real Tingyun at the end of the quest when we speak to her?
@@rikilogia How can we make that statement sure? Plus, Fu Xuan is only 21-22 years old. She aint that smart, unlike Welt Yang.
@@WhatTheGenshin Just because she may not be as smart as Welt, doesn't mean she isn't smart at all. Besides, she can do divination so Fu Xuan clearly has abilities
Alao, given her status as Master Diviner and her being a long life species, it's unlikely she is that young as you say
@@rikilogia It was a joke jeez...
@@WhatTheGenshin Then perhaps make it more obvious?
It’s the way I was crying when they killed her off. Like she was my fav since trailer 😭
No kidding. She was the reason I even tried out the game and am loving it. When she died, I almost quit.
Toddler Huo Huo is cute, like she was full of curiosity.
I'm still playing because there's still hope, if an event comes up in the future confirming her death, I'll stop playing.
I know no one cares...
Maybe 5* tingyun will have like skill buff all team atk and ulti regenerate 50 energy to all party member and buff their dmg. Hence it's a better tingyun than the 4* one.
Becoming mara struck is a result of changes in the mind first, body is affected later :3
Tingyun comming back from her travels: "what did i miss?"
I would pull for new version of tingyun regardless
Thanks a lot, I was scared she actually kicked the bucket...
At first, the Heliobi stuff seemed pretty random until I learned of Phantylia also being a Heliobus. There were other things in the lore suggesting that the Heliobi had more involvement that what I originally assumed.
There are theories that Yingxing (Blade) was a victim of a Heliobus. The reason people suspect this is because of how he used the flesh of an Abundance emanator to aid Imbibitor Lunae in the resurrection of Baiheng. The big problem with this is because Yingxing has been explicitly stated to absolutely hate the Abundance for destroying the original ship he was from. Many fans in the community believe that the writers messed up the lore since it makes no sense for Yingxing to use something he abhors to resurrect someone so dear to him. The Heliobi tend to take advantage of the feelings of humans, and are said to prefer possessing short-life species over long-life species since they don’t get Mara-struck. Yingxing was devastated over the death of Baiheng and he is also a short-life species. Not only that, but Heliobi were heavily involved with stuff pertaining to the Creation Furnace and the Artisanship Commission. Yingxing was a part of the Artisanship Commission so there’s no doubt that he came across some Heliobi. So the main point of the theory is that Yingxing was possessed by a Heliobus, which is why he used the Abundance Emanator's flesh in the first place.
Honestly if mara struck is not unique to the humans blessed by Yaoshi and any random long lived species get afflicted by it, I don't see why Xianzhou would put the blame on Yaoshi.
I take Yaoshi's blessings don't effect just humans, so it's a direct cause of all the troubles. It's how we get abominations and animal-like abundance enemies.
I don't think Foxians were blessed by Yaoshi, and there are long lived species blessed by Yaoshi that doesn't get mara struck as well. I think Xianzhou is just bitter that the genie doesn't allow them to take their wishes back.
It's more like "because Yaoshi made them immortal, they are now guaranteed to get mara struck someday"
I feel liek they will definitely bring her back as five star and what happened in the story is a perfect segway to her five star form, this is eveident in the way something had to happen to Danheng to embrace is old form
These theory crafters always make the same mistake with mihoyo.
They give them too much credit for deep thought story planning.
Unfortunately, every time you see one of these well thought out videos, mihoyo disapoints usually with the most lack luster conclusions. That had no deep thought into it at all.
3:04 That fact, to me, is proof that Tingyun is alive. By how the process was said to work, it sounds like the combustion is what kills the host, and I assume after that the heliobus is simply left there, free again, since it's "shell" was destroyed. However, Phantylia first "kills" Tingyun, then leaves her body and finally the combustion takes place, the death that would have been a single step now is two, separated between the actual death and the combustion, while the normally final step, the heliobus being left bodyless, happens in between her death and the combustion.
I kind of hope we don’t get a new version of Tingyun. If we get a new version of Tingyun then the version we have right now is just Phantillia and not actually Tingyun. It would be good to have a rescue Tingyun mission and a companion quest if we do everfind her again though.
I would literally E6S5 if she somehow comes back as a damn Preservation character which is somehow likely to happen and I'm afraid of making this statment
This gave me so much more hope. I still held onto hope she’s still alive from Welt and Fu Xuan’s comment about the Tingyun we met is fake and after this video. I do believe she’s out there somewhere
One thing I noticed no one talks about is her newest sticker where she’s holding a different fan. Maybe it doesn’t mean anything but kinda odd she’s holding a fan we never seen before
Mara struck happens because long life species reaches their emotional threshold and their memory capacity; so it is psychological and neurological. If a Heliobus were to control one’s body completely, and the host can’t distinguish the Heliobus from themselves, then the person will not be mara struck by simply living their life for a long time. However, if the chemical substance can alter the neurological aspect of the host’s brain to result in the Mara, then the mara struck can still happen even if a Heliobus is present in the host.
Thx for the video!
Excellent processing of facts and proof of theory!
Also: I agree with @windminion - Hoyoverse plans to make a real version of Tingyun in the future and Hoyo want to make one and only one companion mission for her.
does this solve the case about her voicelines matching up to her past?
and it is also unlikely that "real tingyun" is just "somewhere" because heliobus possession will still take effect to the real body
what does Luocha have to do with Luofu story!!!!!
i wholly hope we're going to go back to xianzhou REAL story because the set up should at least mean something!!!
This is funny. Comparing an Emanator to a tiny being of Heliobi.
In Honkai's term, if Nanook is the cosmic entity like the Cocoon of Finality, then all his Emanators would be the Herrschers. I can't imagine a tiny parasitic Heliobi could be a Herrscher haha lol.
You forgot the "but hey, that's just a theory, a game theory!" part
Initially I thought Phantylia created a copy of Tingyun's body the same way she created her body from the ambrosial arbor but her making an illusion of Tingyun makes more sense
Heres another theory... Money.
They kill off a fake then showcase the actual Tingyun so whales will occur to get her. We get a story death that has a happy surprise end and they get money
Heliobus is OP asf it's can possessed anyone. Even the diviner can't resist.
When you said we MIGHT see her again in the future and maybe even as a 5 star.... You raise a good point. Dan Hung was originally a free to play 4 star, but later got a 5 star version. There is more reason for him than Tingyun I suppose, but if the Tingyun we know was really just a fake copy, that would justify why she's a mere 4 star. You can't fully copy a 5 star's true power. haha
I hope this plays out as true because she was good girl.
I would be so happy if we get Tingyun-alter (real) in the future. we already got dan-alter after all.
I called it, I knew Tingyun was going to come back, you can see my comment few months ago 😂
@@FallesnowCh I think most of the gamers believed that too.
Tingyun is one of my favourite characters, so I really hope we get to see her in game again. Until that happens, I'll just cherish the one I have and keep her in my party as much as I can :')
But then why did Phantylia snapped her neck and leave her body as flame herself? If it was fake, the whole body should have transformed into a flame instead. I don't think she had a motive to make us guess whether Tingyun is alive or not, she just "got rid of old toy" that Tingyun was for her. I prefer your first theory.
My theory is just going to come out as destruction 5 star after her experience with Phantylia. Or of course a 5 star support.
i believed from the start that she is still alive
The thing is, she's either possesed by heliobus or she's an illusion - she can't be both. If she's an illusion made by someone who probably never even met the real Tingyun, then how it was able to fool people who knew her? Unless heliobus possesed her at some point, then killed her and created an illusion.
The heliobi that possessed Bailu manages to imitate Bailu's mannerisms, yet the real Bailu is still alive. So, there is that too, I guess.
If you talk to Fu Xuan she says that Tingyun was probably a fake the entire time we were there.
@@hungry_l Well, yeah. But do you think Phantiliya would just leave Tingyun alive after possesing her to get her memories, and risk her plans being exposed? And why, just to save a random foxian's life? Phantiliya is ruthless, she doesn't care how many people she'll kill to get what she wants.
@@Rina_TL True, just pointing a possibility, is all. Maybe Tingyun is imprisoned somewhere, or Tingyun is another Nanook's follower, or maybe she is dead for good, it's up to the writer, really. HSR's story is still at the early phase, after all.
@@Rina_TLWhy not keep Tingyun alive as her plaything to slowly destroy as her consolation prize.
I think that "roaming free" would be very unlikely, since that would be too risky to phantylia, if the real tingyun is still alive, she's probably imprisioned somewhere, but what I truly believe, is that she's dead, since heliobi drains the life force from it's host, to phantylia be able to know too much about her life without possessing the true body, she would need to stay a long time with her, and that caused her death, maybe we'll know more from tingyun because they release a character that was very close to her and the reason we don't meet her in the express is only because she is the only dead playable character, it would be awkward to meet her there.
in a card, there's tingyun neck injured with natasha ....
Thanks for this hypothesis , after this version until now i still not belive that Tingyun is dead :<
Hope this will come true , she can lose memory or forgot who we are , where is she come . But at least , she still alive