more cars in nascar vs f1 meaning less competition hence cutting off points after 10th makes less sense in nascar.. the 24 team overall was the best team in 2014.
@@scjacket611 Or the people who base “real champions” of the Winston Cup points, and call drivers “illegitimate” champions when they aren’t first in the Winston cup points
@@scjacket611 I mean nascar kinda did, the chase/playoffs is a gimmick nothing more Even drivers publicly admit the championship means nothing these days
Personally, this F1 point system will be great for NASCAR considering the good competitiveness that this championship have, also because nowadays drivers doesn't care much if he finishes out of Top 10 because it's still scoring good points if he finishes in Top 20. Unfortunately NASCAR will go to death with the Playoff format.
I remember that fondly. At the time I thought NASCAR asked him to do this so the Playoffs drivers can battle it out out front. I still stand by this thought
This current point system was brought into F1 specifically to promote winning. There’s a history of points systems in F1, with three main eras: 1-6, 1-8 and 1-10. The modern system came into force in 2010 when points extended from 1-8 to 1-10 and the structure changed. Vintage F1 (Lauda, Senna, Prost, etc) had a 9-6-4-3-2-1, system which became 10-6-4-3-2-1 in 1991. 6 points paying places is a small number, however during this time, 26 cars typically started the race, and about half the field retiring was the norm. Many quite bad teams used to get the occasional point, simply because of the mechanical unreliability of all cars at the time, even if they had to finish in the top 6.
I did this myself back in 2012, although I didn't save the race-by-race data, just the final season totals. I remember that 1989 was a really fun season to watch, with Rusty, Dale and Darrell all finishing within about ten points of each other. 1999 had the closest points finish ever, with Bobby Labonte edging out DJ by just half a point! And winning isn't everything here: Terry Labonte still won 1984 with just two wins, and on two occasions a driver with one win won the title. As a general rule, whoever has the most top threes will win.
I have zero doubt if this was in the F1 style points format, Gordon would not have let Keselowski walk away with that championship after Texas. After all, he does have a history of getting even with other drivers at Phoenix 😅
Honestly whatever the points distribution would be I'm always all in for points system that rewards consistencies above others. It's just that simple, best drivers are measured not only by their wins, but their ability to capitalize the maximum points available if wins are not within their reach. And that's how you grab people's attention.... Solid job Darien, hope you could turn this into a series.... A suggestion tho, with every race finish clip you showed, you should include the live championship points as it stands after every finish so that we could see the progress.
This is the points format we didn't know we needed. This points format would've given us a much more fitting championship battle considering what happened between those 2 drivers in 2014
@ALEXANDER Greene Barrios It is possible for a driver to run away in three races. In the 1984 Busch season, Sam Ard had a 117 point lead after just three races. With that lead, all he'd have to do in the finale is finish 31st or better.
Jeff Gordon is the Kobe Bryant or the Zinedine Zidane of NASCAR, he wasn't the greatest of all time, but he was consistent all of his career and ended his career still at the top
My dad a Brad fan and me a Gordon fan, got into our of physical altercation in the infield at TMS. Needless to say it was a long drive home from the track that night.
Honestly, I think we should go to a similar system with the top 20. 1st place 50 points, 2nd 35, 3rd 30, 4th 25, 5th 22, 6th 19, 7th 17, 8th 15, 9th 13, 10th 11, 11th 10, 12th 9, 13th 8, 14th 7, 15th 6, 16th 5, 17th 4, 18th 3, 19th 2, 20th 1.
Also just so you know if you dnf you get no points even if you dnf and are still in the top 10 and there is also a time limit to finish the race after the winner crosses the line and if someone does not cross the finish line in the end after the time limit they dnf
I was at the Texas race. Brad had the lane and Jeff came down. We watched the whole fight ensue and it was really hilarious at how many people got involved
whats so weird is that i talked about this with my friends yesterday and considering we watch f1 and nascar it would be so cool if this actually happened
@@isaacmckissick1068 Roush has more in common with Williams. A once great team, reduced to fighting for scraps. RWR is more like Caterham, HRT or Virgin.
We have a system with a logical point structure and we know who the championship contenders are. They're the ones who run up front the most. It's not complicated.
@@Ofitus21 The trucks series and the cup series aren't comparable, for starters. There's a massive difference in depth. Secondly, you can't complain about a winless champion in trucks if you're okay with a guy winning once in 36 races and only having 11 top 5s winning the title in Cup.
Huge Gordon fan but again, it was 100% his team that cost him the championship. Changing 4 tires while the pace car is coming around and letting him get lapped completely doomed him.
As fucking livid as the last few races made me (diehard Gordon fan), man 2014 was a hell of a season overall. Racing was great week in and week out and the competition at the top of the field was SO tight!
I may be biased as a Gordon fan but I don’t even care about modern championships anymore. As soon as the chase was created they lost all meaning. Race victories are the only stat that matters now and our boy had plenty of them 🙏
I feel like if NASCAR used this, the top 20 would get points. F1’s points finishing positions is proportional to roughly half the field, so it would be double in NASCAR.
Even with the current points system, this stupid Chase and now Playoff BS needs to go. NASCAR has literally the worse system in racing. You can win 35 races, and not be the champion if somebody decides to spin you at Phoenix. Stuff like this is why F1 and Indy are gaining popularity, while NASCAR is slowly dieing.
I’ve always liked F1’s points cause when one team isn’t utterly dominating it actually makes the championship interesting. Even 2018 was interesting till Vettel’s S🅱️inella Rewards winning while also rewarding consistency For nascar I’d extend it to the top 15 getting points but after that you get a fat 0. I’m of the opinion that if you don’t finish or finish way down the order you don’t deserve points. If you don’t score any points your average finish should determine where you place at the end of the season.
NASCAR Cup Series FIA World Championship sounds interesting when you title it of course there would be great lengths of rules changes to get it FIA standards but image FIA world championship in stock car
Even if it came down to the final race (remember that this is hypothetical) had things play out differently in 2014, I think Gordon would have won it (he pitted from the lead to give the playoff drivers a chance at winning)
This would make Nascar MUCH more watchable and MUCH less of a gimmick, garbage racing series. The racing itself can be great. Playoffs, stages, etc just ruin it all.
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So even in F1 World, us Gordon fans only get to experience pain from 2014
Yep. Never feels good
True story
Dont talk about it
Yep we only feel pain from that year god I wanted to punch brad in the mouth after that race he’s such a douchebag
more cars in nascar vs f1 meaning less competition hence cutting off points after 10th makes less sense in nascar.. the 24 team overall was the best team in 2014.
Just remember this is just a hypothetical situation I know they would a race differently if this system was put in place but this is just for fun
Too bad many people actually do take it seriously
@@CDNC22 You mean the, "NASCAR stole three championships from Jeff Gordon" crowd?
Yep, the feeling or pressure on drivers would surely changed the outcome
@@scjacket611 Or the people who base “real champions” of the Winston Cup points, and call drivers “illegitimate” champions when they aren’t first in the Winston cup points
@@scjacket611 I mean nascar kinda did, the chase/playoffs is a gimmick nothing more
Even drivers publicly admit the championship means nothing these days
“Nascar but with F1 standings in 2014”
Kevin Harvick: *adios*
harvick: hasta la proximaa
brad : *muchas gracias*
Personally, this F1 point system will be great for NASCAR considering the good competitiveness that this championship have, also because nowadays drivers doesn't care much if he finishes out of Top 10 because it's still scoring good points if he finishes in Top 20. Unfortunately NASCAR will go to death with the Playoff format.
Iceberg no longer making playoff format videos on NASCAR:
BFM:Look at me I am the captain now
My city now! Fight!
nascar should honestly switch to something like this and yeet the playoffs into nonexistence
Agreed 100%
This sounds way spicer with F1 Points
It’s funny to me how a hypothetical season long points battle had more drama and suspense than any of the post 2014 Chase Final Four deciders.
The series we needed
This is not the points format you need...
But the one this sport DESERVES... 🤣😂😂
The one we didn't know we needed
That fall Texas race as a Gordon fan is one thing in this life that I dont think I will ever be able to get over. That one STILL stings 6 years later.
Amen. Still makes my heart rate spike if I think about it for too long
Then Gordon shouldn't have left a hole
Well now it’s 10 years later….
OH MY GOD 2014 WAS 10 YEARS AGO
Gordon actually pitted from the lead at the end of the 2014 homestead race, and not to mention he was the pole sitter as well.
I remember that fondly. At the time I thought NASCAR asked him to do this so the Playoffs drivers can battle it out out front. I still stand by this thought
@@KatschingAUT i feel like jeff did it out of respect for the championship 4
Jaret: i'm done making hypothetical videos
Darian: *Hold my Moet & Chandon champagne*
Laughed out loud when I realized that Brad and Jeff were the two championship contenders and this is the year that Texas race happened
This current point system was brought into F1 specifically to promote winning. There’s a history of points systems in F1, with three main eras: 1-6, 1-8 and 1-10.
The modern system came into force in 2010 when points extended from 1-8 to 1-10 and the structure changed.
Vintage F1 (Lauda, Senna, Prost, etc) had a 9-6-4-3-2-1, system which became 10-6-4-3-2-1 in 1991. 6 points paying places is a small number, however during this time, 26 cars typically started the race, and about half the field retiring was the norm.
Many quite bad teams used to get the occasional point, simply because of the mechanical unreliability of all cars at the time, even if they had to finish in the top 6.
What a coincidence! 2014 was the year I first became a fan of NASCAR after two years of thinking F1 was the best thing since sliced bread.
In the words of The Iceberg "This is a hypothetical situation"
I did this myself back in 2012, although I didn't save the race-by-race data, just the final season totals. I remember that 1989 was a really fun season to watch, with Rusty, Dale and Darrell all finishing within about ten points of each other. 1999 had the closest points finish ever, with Bobby Labonte edging out DJ by just half a point! And winning isn't everything here: Terry Labonte still won 1984 with just two wins, and on two occasions a driver with one win won the title. As a general rule, whoever has the most top threes will win.
I have zero doubt if this was in the F1 style points format, Gordon would not have let Keselowski walk away with that championship after Texas. After all, he does have a history of getting even with other drivers at Phoenix 😅
Bowyer is triggered reading this
If we had this system during last season Harvick would have just freaking blow out the whole season
Honestly whatever the points distribution would be I'm always all in for points system that rewards consistencies above others.
It's just that simple, best drivers are measured not only by their wins, but their ability to capitalize the maximum points available if wins are not within their reach. And that's how you grab people's attention....
Solid job Darien, hope you could turn this into a series....
A suggestion tho, with every race finish clip you showed, you should include the live championship points as it stands after every finish so that we could see the progress.
in my opinion F1 has the best points format in all of motorsports. Interesting to see it if NASCAR had it.
I wish Brad still raced with his 2014 intensity sometimes. Can't argue with the facts; It produced results and that's all that matters in this sport.
6:41 who's Card Edwards? lol
Maybe Carl's twin brother?? Lol
Cousin Card??!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
This is the points format we didn't know we needed. This points format would've given us a much more fitting championship battle considering what happened between those 2 drivers in 2014
Iceberg: i'm not doing what if's
Darian: Now this looks like a job for me
NASCAR probably should just use the F1 points system anyway... *More legitimate than this playoff format...*
Of course. Because F1 points system is viable for a motorsport. Playoffs are for stick and ball sports, not motorsports.
There are way to many cars in the field in NASCAR to have the F1 point system
The constructors champions would intresting it would basically Gibbs vs Stewart Haas for the top in this season maybe Penske 3rd and 4th Hendricks
@@evannuh-koo-la4054 in my opinion, maybe if they increased the amount of points scoring places to 20, it would actually be pretty good
@ALEXANDER Greene Barrios It is possible for a driver to run away in three races. In the 1984 Busch season, Sam Ard had a 117 point lead after just three races. With that lead, all he'd have to do in the finale is finish 31st or better.
2 VIDEOS IN 1WEEK?!?! Darians is back consistently now boys let’s goooo
Jeff Gordon is the Kobe Bryant or the Zinedine Zidane of NASCAR, he wasn't the greatest of all time, but he was consistent all of his career and ended his career still at the top
My dad a Brad fan and me a Gordon fan, got into our of physical altercation in the infield at TMS. Needless to say it was a long drive home from the track that night.
Honestly, I think we should go to a similar system with the top 20. 1st place 50 points, 2nd 35, 3rd 30, 4th 25, 5th 22, 6th 19, 7th 17, 8th 15, 9th 13, 10th 11, 11th 10, 12th 9, 13th 8, 14th 7, 15th 6, 16th 5, 17th 4, 18th 3, 19th 2, 20th 1.
Also just so you know if you dnf you get no points even if you dnf and are still in the top 10 and there is also a time limit to finish the race after the winner crosses the line and if someone does not cross the finish line in the end after the time limit they dnf
I was at the Texas race. Brad had the lane and Jeff came down. We watched the whole fight ensue and it was really hilarious at how many people got involved
Man even in this hypothetical scenario us Jeff fans can’t catch a break with the championship
If NASCAR had the F1 standing, that would be cool tbh
To say Brad was driving over his head would be a understatement! When Kenseth wants to fight you.. it's a you problem!
This is the system I've used for years in NR2003, and it's easily the most exciting. Wish they'd run it for real.
"BuT a SeAsOnaL pOiNtS fOrMaT iS BoRiNg"
whats so weird is that i talked about this with my friends yesterday and considering we watch f1 and nascar it would be so cool if this actually happened
I still firmly believe that if Brad didn't wreck Jeff at Texas, Jeff would have won that race and won the title that year.
6:41 Card Edwards, good one xD
RWR with current points system: *Racing to get one point*
RWR with F1 points: *Just in the way*
Lol
I know a thing or two about them being in the way 😠
Rick Ware is just the Williams of NASCAR
@@isaacmckissick1068 Roush has more in common with Williams. A once great team, reduced to fighting for scraps. RWR is more like Caterham, HRT or Virgin.
8:50 Oh my God I miss that sound and speed
Nice video! Definitely do a video on 2017 and 2018 with the “Big 3” that would be interesting
Proposing a system where you'd actually know who is a championship contender with a logical point structure ?? NO WAY !
We have a system with a logical point structure and we know who the championship contenders are. They're the ones who run up front the most. It's not complicated.
Crazy right? It's ridiculous that a guy in 15th in points could be eligible to win the championship with 10 races to go.
@@scjacket611 that's why Crafton became the 1st winless trucks champion in 2019, right? The playoffs don't make any sense whatsoever
@@mrwest231 you mean like how the Winston Cup format that you idiots clamor for would allow?
@@Ofitus21 The trucks series and the cup series aren't comparable, for starters. There's a massive difference in depth. Secondly, you can't complain about a winless champion in trucks if you're okay with a guy winning once in 36 races and only having 11 top 5s winning the title in Cup.
So in this alternate reality:
NASCAR has f1 points
While f1 has the playoffs
Imagine all the chaos of only 4 drivers not making it lol
@@germbean *sad Williams noises*
@@PyroBun_2844 And Haas
Ah, yes... The Sprint Cup Series.... The era when NASCAR was still at an all-time high.... Nice work, Darian.
Huge Gordon fan but again, it was 100% his team that cost him the championship. Changing 4 tires while the pace car is coming around and letting him get lapped completely doomed him.
Seems better then what they have now. I'm suprised.
All im saying is i would love if podiums were a thing in NASCAR
Way better than the Chase and Playoffs
I have mentioned this in multiple servers and I love how you are doing it now
Please continue this series, this is an amazing what if situation
As fucking livid as the last few races made me (diehard Gordon fan), man 2014 was a hell of a season overall. Racing was great week in and week out and the competition at the top of the field was SO tight!
*puts on tin foil hat* “But Gordon dominated homestead until nascar made him pit so the chase contenders could win”
This video series is very good Darian, you should do more of this!
Now this is what I didn’t know I wanted to see, but now I want to see it.
thought it was a cool idea so I clicked but seeing the footage from texas almost made me cry just like it always has.
Us Gordon fans only know pain. Nothing else. Just pain.
I may be biased as a Gordon fan but I don’t even care about modern championships anymore. As soon as the chase was created they lost all meaning. Race victories are the only stat that matters now and our boy had plenty of them 🙏
Good seasons: Dale earnhardt Jr 2014
I really like this! Can't wait for the 2015 version.
I feel like if NASCAR used this, the top 20 would get points.
F1’s points finishing positions is proportional to roughly half the field, so it would be double in NASCAR.
If NASCAR didn't have a playoff system from 2014 onward, the drivers wouldn't have raced the same way.
Jeff was my favorite and Brad 2nd... but I would rather see this than the Chase.
Here's an interesting concept:
F1 With the NASCAR Playoff Points
Good seasons: Jimmie Johnson 2020 (Yes. Literally)
This just makes what happened at Texas hurt more as a Jeff fan.
Keselowski is my favorite, so this was a feel good video for me.
This is for me to
Gordon is still my favorite driver, but this championship battle would be fantastic.
Well, that was interesting.can not wait for the next one.
brad's a winner in my book
This is gonna be a interesting season had a f1 points system
We need this to be a series
Very interesting. Should do more seasons like this.
Even with the current points system, this stupid Chase and now Playoff BS needs to go. NASCAR has literally the worse system in racing. You can win 35 races, and not be the champion if somebody decides to spin you at Phoenix. Stuff like this is why F1 and Indy are gaining popularity, while NASCAR is slowly dieing.
I’ve always liked F1’s points cause when one team isn’t utterly dominating it actually makes the championship interesting. Even 2018 was interesting till Vettel’s S🅱️inella
Rewards winning while also rewarding consistency
For nascar I’d extend it to the top 15 getting points but after that you get a fat 0. I’m of the opinion that if you don’t finish or finish way down the order you don’t deserve points.
If you don’t score any points your average finish should determine where you place at the end of the season.
Very interesting can’t wait for the next one
Ngl this sounds even better than slap points. Though I don't think NASCAR would also pay only the teams that finish in the top 10.
WOW! Judging a racing season by how you consistently finished? Whaaat?
Add in the bonus points for fastest lap
Yes nascar needs to change to the F1 points format it makes every race means alot more
i like the F1 points system but i also want every finishing position from first to last awarding points.
Love this and can't wait to see more!
Can you do this for 2004 and 2011?
2020 F1 with the playoffs.
NASCAR Cup Series FIA World Championship sounds interesting when you title it of course there would be great lengths of rules changes to get it FIA standards but image FIA world championship in stock car
This would've been an exciting season to watch
Nice vid bro 👍
Did Mark Martin ever win a title in this format? I'm asking for myself...LOL
Nope
I think 2003 would be a good one to look at, kenseth winning once and Newman and Johnson taking the sport by storm
The points need to go further than 10th with a field twice the size of F1
Even if it came down to the final race (remember that this is hypothetical) had things play out differently in 2014, I think Gordon would have won it (he pitted from the lead to give the playoff drivers a chance at winning)
They should. It's simple. Most points for winner. Win enough and you get a championship. Why is this so hard
Do you have the document that has points from everyone that season?
I already know that Harvick wouldn't have won in 2014 but he would have done so in 2015
And 2020. 2018 would have been close with him and Busch
further proves why 2014 is a amazing season
I’d really like NASCAR to award no points for drivers outside the top 20, 25, or 30.
Man the hatred BK would get had this actually been the case lol
I literally watched F1 videos all day and go back to home and found this video at the top. Freakin weird 😂. But love the videos
There's a reason F1 is the ONLY series in the WORLD to NOT give EVERY driver points. Even IndyCar gives last place points.
shoutout to C-Rad TV
I love this
This would make Nascar MUCH more watchable and MUCH less of a gimmick, garbage racing series.
The racing itself can be great.
Playoffs, stages, etc just ruin it all.
I think it would be uncharacteristic for NASCAR to have F1 points.