I can't understand why people give Butch so much shit for "over-producing" Nevermind. He did a great job. Yes,it may have been more polished than what Kurt wanted but if it hadn't have been, and they went down the route of Bleach, then most likely they wouldn't have been so popular and we wouldn't be listening to them! So shut up, Butch Vig is the greatest producer of the 90s and one of the best of all time.
Butch was the right producer for Nevermind...The songs were simple pop/rock songs and he made them shine and they ultimately reached a large audience. He was also the perfect producer for the Pumpkins' Siamese Dream. In the end, IMO, In Utero with Albini was their realized "sound".
this is from the "classic albums" series, there's some good dvds out. metallica's black album, fleetwood mac's rumours, sex pistols nevermind the bollocks, u2's joshua tree. worth a look if you're into music...
Not quite sure why everyone who said that this Nevermind was too polished is getting thumbed down; I'm pretty positive Cobain would have agreed with them. I do like Butch Vig as a drummer and a producer, but he does have a tendency to unnecessarily overproduce certain tracks. Case in point, compare Garbage's acoustic version of "Medication" with the album version. His production was fantastic for Siamese Dream and most of Version 2.0, but can be occasionally obtrusive as well.
Brilliant, I wonder what Chris's signal chain was.. & also if the bassman & messa where the only two guitar amps used.. & also what this super grunge pedal actually was.. I heard Kurt used a Boss Chorus pedal on the album.. I wonder if this is true also.. I wonder alot of things.
I may have been a little over drunk. Let me restate that i would have loved to hear this recording with the first first track recording without any dubs. And i have at least 25-30 versions of this song on my comp/ipod, concerts recordings ect. sry if i offended
@SomeOldGirl There was probably nothing else to show. The Grunge, he described is located from an outboard effects processor either thru a loop or prefered, a "patch." Which is patched into a channel on a mixer.
First thing I noticed. And even without the double vocal, it is not the same vocals from the album. I think Butch did the best job on "Drain You" and "Smells like Teen Spirit", and though not on Nevermind, "Dive".
....and all these additions led to Kurt blowing his brains out. Not nice!! Kurt really hated were Nirvana were going after Nevermind was released, he hated the production of the new Nirvana sound!
@kayamar I think the producer should honor the wishes of the artist before the demands of the label. I understand how few producers are willing to do that, though.
why in the hell u guys dont watch the video and enjoy it? STOP FIGHTING GOSH WHO CARES ABOUT WUT HAPPENED?! JUST ENJOY THE FUCKING MUSIC! NIRVANA ROCKS :)
@runaway03497 He lied. No need for the quotation. His job is to record, and give advice. Not mold the album to his senses, while lying to the musician.
master of puppets is my classic fav of metallica, the black album is corporate bullturd which made a lot of their earlier fans stop buying their records.
It's not like Nirvana didn't get to hear the songs after they were done mixing them. They obviously had to approve of them so I don't think Butch Vig did anything that Kurt Cobain didn't want him to do. Nevermind also sounded alot better because they played it in a professional studio with better equipment than when they recorded Bleach. But sure, Butch Vig probably used to some mainstream "tricks of the trade" as a producer. Polished or not, Nirvana sounded great.
Exactly. I think a lot of people miss that aspect. Nirvana wanted to make a really great record, regardless if it sold a ton of copies or not. They were all about the music. Butch helped them achieve making a really good album with his mixing and producing ability. This is an example of how this song wouldn't have been as "grungy" and had as much kick if he hadn't overdubbed all those guitar parts. I think it was a really good "marriage".
@HIM666waytolove Still made for a great song... In the "mainstream" world producers ARE hired to mold an album and yes Nevermind was a meant to be a mainstream album from day one so it was produced as such. I've lied to artists I have recorded and I haven't had one come back and tell me that their recording sounded terrible. I've also had many times where musicians called me out and I playback the comparison, and usually, I win.
you know, people diss butch for making the record sound too produced, but his production was part of the reason nevermind was so successful. The songs on the record are amazing, even without the production, but the production just compliments the song. and at least it's not computerized like all music is today. nevermind s a sick record regardless whether or not people think it's too "overproduced." i think everyone can agree with that.
Form a Producer standpoint, sometimes you have to "lie" to the artist to get them to do something they might not want to... when it comes to the final overall "vision" of an album capturing everything to achieve that means whatever it take when recording.
He's fairly hands-on in the studio, that Butch Vig. The polar opposite of Steve Albini. That's why both albums sound so very different and yet still have that distinct Nirvana sound.
@RTE101 I agree, I thought when Butch played just the single vocal track on the intro it sounded a lot closer to the album version. Maybe the volume levels weren't matched up as cleanly this time around.
after kurt heard nevermind he said he DIDN'T like the way it sounded, it was too mainstream and pop for him. thanks for the good and the bad butch. good for us, bad for kurt.
@thisisnotausername Kurt wanted Vig to help with the album, because they wanted the Killdozer sound; they held out through several offers to get him. Vig just did what Kurt wanted, even if Kurt himself didn't like it.
this is definately one of the best songd ove ever heard. soo atmospheric. i listened to this on a daily basis, it is like my fix for the day. not their best album but my fav song by them without question. i think i already commented this video too lol.
man shii they make teddy bears have a neutral face so it can project its own meaning to the owner nirvana songs lyrics aren't specialized so like the teddy bear the songs project their own meaning onto the listener
Such an incredible sound from those 5 guitar tracks! It's so heavy and pure grunge! Forget the vocals bass and drums. I could listen to that riff all day!
Well, Kurt must of liked it because it made the album unless of course you are questioning Kurt's judgement or think he was a mindless puppet who had no say in his own work.,, In short, that's just your opinion and means nothing except to you..
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I can't understand why people give Butch so much shit for "over-producing" Nevermind. He did a great job. Yes,it may have been more polished than what Kurt wanted but if it hadn't have been, and they went down the route of Bleach, then most likely they wouldn't have been so popular and we wouldn't be listening to them! So shut up, Butch Vig is the greatest producer of the 90s and one of the best of all time.
Absolutely!!! And for every album and all the producers were and was totally different from one an another for that exact purpose
Imagine saying that someone making something better
i just wish there was a nevermind raw version, would of been awesome
An advertisement that had "Skrillex" on it was played before this video. Fucking disgusting
Butch was the right producer for Nevermind...The songs were simple pop/rock songs and he made them shine and they ultimately reached a large audience. He was also the perfect producer for the Pumpkins' Siamese Dream. In the end, IMO, In Utero with Albini was their realized "sound".
He was also the producer of gish but u probably know that now
Son of a gun. Butch, u made Kurt record 5 guitars! No wonder i love that track!
@thisisnotausername That's the producer's job, you wouldn't film a movie without a director, lighting crew, etc lol
this is from the "classic albums" series, there's some good dvds out. metallica's black album, fleetwood mac's rumours, sex pistols nevermind the bollocks, u2's joshua tree. worth a look if you're into music...
This song is one of my most favorite songs from the Nevermind Album - I
Not quite sure why everyone who said that this Nevermind was too polished is getting thumbed down; I'm pretty positive Cobain would have agreed with them. I do like Butch Vig as a drummer and a producer, but he does have a tendency to unnecessarily overproduce certain tracks. Case in point, compare Garbage's acoustic version of "Medication" with the album version. His production was fantastic for Siamese Dream and most of Version 2.0, but can be occasionally obtrusive as well.
Brilliant, I wonder what Chris's signal chain was.. & also if the bassman & messa where the only two guitar amps used.. & also what this super grunge pedal actually was.. I heard Kurt used a Boss Chorus pedal on the album.. I wonder if this is true also.. I wonder alot of things.
I may have been a little over drunk. Let me restate that i would have loved to hear this recording with the first first track recording without any dubs. And i have at least 25-30 versions of this song on my comp/ipod, concerts recordings ect. sry if i offended
@SomeOldGirl There was probably nothing else to show. The Grunge, he described is located from an outboard effects processor either thru a loop or prefered, a "patch." Which is patched into a channel on a mixer.
Yeah Butch Vig is definitely a horrible producer. He only produced the two best albums of the 90s: Nevermind and Siamese Dream.
First thing I noticed. And even without the double vocal, it is not the same vocals from the album.
I think Butch did the best job on "Drain You" and "Smells like Teen Spirit", and though not on Nevermind, "Dive".
....and all these additions led to Kurt blowing his brains out. Not nice!! Kurt really hated were Nirvana were going after Nevermind was released, he hated the production of the new Nirvana sound!
@kayamar
I think the producer should honor the wishes of the artist before the demands of the label. I understand how few producers are willing to do that, though.
why in the hell u guys dont watch the video and enjoy it?
STOP FIGHTING
GOSH
WHO CARES ABOUT WUT HAPPENED?!
JUST ENJOY THE FUCKING MUSIC!
NIRVANA ROCKS :)
@runaway03497 He lied. No need for the quotation. His job is to record, and give advice. Not mold the album to his senses, while lying to the musician.
master of puppets is my classic fav of metallica, the black album is corporate bullturd which made a lot of their earlier fans stop buying their records.
@SgtPeperz yeah, it was purple. but it came out as a response to the grunge after this album . about 1994 or 95 they were in every shop.
@shaggmeister
Dude, if youtube ist'n showing any advertising... we had to pay to evenwatch this video... think before you type...
Kurt cobain himself didnt like the way the album turned out claiming butch made it too polished, kurt would have preferred it raw.
lol shows how much you know
love and cobain first met in 1989 briefly
then 1990, then got close in 1991
met miles before nevermind
ive searched more than any Nirvana fan on this particular song, Tunage, somebody post something wiht thins wihtout the overdubbing
@thisisnotausername It's what every producer in history does, it's how you get albums that the label wants to sell.
its funny b/c when you listen to this song, it doesn't have the double vocal b/c it was probably mixed out
0:25 "Super grunge" lol
Yeah even kurt himself thought nevermind was way too polished for his liking.
Does anyone know of any other videos like this, showing the recording process?
Butch Vig did a great job with this album.
If "dive" was on nevermind it would be one of the better tracks along with "lounge act "
total different record production compared to in utero
id give a nut ti hear that 1st trak with the full band
makes engineering look ez, but it aint.. oh no no no.
courtney definitely didn't write all of the songs?
lol butch is so sneaky with his excuses :p
great video
i have this show recorded
It's not like Nirvana didn't get to hear the songs after they were done mixing them. They obviously had to approve of them so I don't think Butch Vig did anything that Kurt Cobain didn't want him to do. Nevermind also sounded alot better because they played it in a professional studio with better equipment than when they recorded Bleach. But sure, Butch Vig probably used to some mainstream "tricks of the trade" as a producer. Polished or not, Nirvana sounded great.
Butch...like a boss!
Exactly. I think a lot of people miss that aspect. Nirvana wanted to make a really great record, regardless if it sold a ton of copies or not. They were all about the music. Butch helped them achieve making a really good album with his mixing and producing ability. This is an example of how this song wouldn't have been as "grungy" and had as much kick if he hadn't overdubbed all those guitar parts. I think it was a really good "marriage".
@HIM666waytolove Still made for a great song... In the "mainstream" world producers ARE hired to mold an album and yes Nevermind was a meant to be a mainstream album from day one so it was produced as such. I've lied to artists I have recorded and I haven't had one come back and tell me that their recording sounded terrible. I've also had many times where musicians called me out and I playback the comparison, and usually, I win.
you know, people diss butch for making the record sound too produced, but his production was part of the reason nevermind was so successful. The songs on the record are amazing, even without the production, but the production just compliments the song. and at least it's not computerized like all music is today. nevermind s a sick record regardless whether or not people think it's too "overproduced." i think everyone can agree with that.
Form a Producer standpoint, sometimes you have to "lie" to the artist to get them to do something they might not want to... when it comes to the final overall "vision" of an album capturing everything to achieve that means whatever it take when recording.
He's fairly hands-on in the studio, that Butch Vig. The polar opposite of Steve Albini. That's why both albums sound so very different and yet still have that distinct Nirvana sound.
@RTE101 I agree, I thought when Butch played just the single vocal track on the intro it sounded a lot closer to the album version. Maybe the volume levels weren't matched up as cleanly this time around.
after kurt heard nevermind he said he DIDN'T like the way it sounded, it was too mainstream and pop for him. thanks for the good and the bad butch.
good for us, bad for kurt.
@thisisnotausername
Kurt wanted Vig to help with the album, because they wanted the Killdozer sound; they held out through several offers to get him. Vig just did what Kurt wanted, even if Kurt himself didn't like it.
LOL butch vig is so laid back, just listen to him "this is the super grunge track, its pretty grungy"
this is definately one of the best songd ove ever heard. soo atmospheric. i listened to this on a daily basis, it is like my fix for the day. not their best album but my fav song by them without question. i think i already commented this video too lol.
@scorchedsound I noticed that, the double track is either not there or it's really played down on the final mix.
man shii they make teddy bears have a neutral face so it can project its own meaning to the owner
nirvana songs lyrics aren't specialized so like the teddy bear the songs project their own meaning onto the listener
butch's rough mix's are better than the finished article. andy wallace polished the album which in my view made it too clean. great producer
much agreed
YEs mine too
Such an incredible sound from those 5 guitar tracks! It's so heavy and pure grunge! Forget the vocals bass and drums. I could listen to that riff all day!
holy shit
same
Agree, whole album is amazing.
I would've also like to have seen "I hate myself and want to die" included on In Utero.
@Mikeus2006 Damn right, two of the best albums of all time. Of all time. Now FNM needs to tour North America.
Butch did an amazing job producing this album let alone this song.I think this is the best song on the record.Great job Butch.
I love how at 2:15 the camera starts to move closer to Butch like its some sort of intervention.
that mesa boogie.....i'm gonna get it now for sure
ah your being very petty, butch did an amazing job producing this album.
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, its SUPER GRUNGE!
wow..how he created the sound
@Mikeus2006 Damn right, these are two of the best albums of all time. Of all time.
2:51 - 3:26.....nice instrumentals
Amazing, I got the DVD as a gift from my mother..
yeah Daves drums and back up vocals on this track are great
Amazing, but it really didn't need 5 guitar over dubs.
love it love it love it
Well, Kurt must of liked it because it made the album unless of course you are questioning Kurt's judgement or think he was a mindless puppet who had no say in his own work.,, In short, that's just your opinion and means nothing except to you..
2:52 to 3:24 is just....i mean....heavent sent¡
Wow, thats amazing!
Dm
how can you drain me with butch vig?
butch is like the coolest guy ever
i love this song is't perfect..!
Those mesa boogie's sound amazing
so tru
butch vig is a genious
you don't say
Dream job
i like you
I think butch murdered this song, way too much added crap. The first cut at 1:10 sounds way better than than the album version
Kurt has an amazing voice.
over-produced
and in utero was surely more then enough for kurts redemption to that. in utero is definately kurt at his finest.