@Vllath1 I'm a bit disappointed too. The only thing I think the Ally has over the Steam Deck is that the Ally's screen is leagues ahead of the Steam Deck's screen. If I were deciding between the 512GB Steam Deck model and the Ally I would choose the Ally, otherwise I think the Steam Deck is a better value. At least at the moment.
@@benchmarkbrosthere is a new screen coming to the steam deck soon. An HD screen from a third party. Once that is out and certain people get their hands on those, the ally will be pointless.
To get the best out of your ally: 1- debloat windows 2- turn off cpu boost on battery 3- disable core isolation 4- do a fan profile and set it to 18w. 5- remember this is a really powerfull cpu (same scores as i9 11gen) so it will consume some more power. 5- have fun, the 1080p 120hz vrr screen is really amazingl! I was getting 40fps at 15w low 1080p.
Valves custom apu is quite impressive. When the Ally first came out i thought for sure the deck was gonna get slaughtered...but in most games its not a huge difference.
Steam Deck is really impressive. I own the Rog Ally and I believe it will become significantly faster with new bios released and as the gpu drivers improve.
Let's hope so, because right now the Ally is facing a tough challenge, barely matching the Steam Deck at 15W and falling behind at 10W. The only advantage it currently holds is the 25W mode and the superior screen. However, there's still time for it to meet the high expectations and live up to the hype.
@@benchmarkbros Of course this is a single game so there are always exceptions when it comes to PC gaming where a slight less powerful hardware can get better performance than a more powerful hardware. There are examples where the 780m gpu in the Ally can outperform a desktop 1060 which is impressive. But in most games the 1060 will get better performance with it's 6Gb of Vram. In most games the Ally will get close to the same performance at 1080p that the Deck gets at 800p at 15 TDP. In Diablo 4 the Ally in turbo mode is getting close to double the performance of the Deck at 720p.
This isn't a great choice of game to test between the two devices as there is a customised profile for Elden Ring within the Proton layer on Steam Deck I believe. I own the Ally and the Steam Deck and the latter usually lags behind.
I dont care what all this rocket scientists say... The Steam Deck is the best handheld if it comes to price/performance ratio... For nearly identical performance the SD cost 412€ in Europe while the Ally is a whopping 799€...
KUDOS TO U MAN , a lot of youtubers are just showing off gameplay on turbo mode and plug in. I would like to see at Low tdp because i intend to use as a portable PC
Holy God, this is crazy! They're near identical in 15W, and the Ally is only _slightly_ better in its 25W mode vs Deck's 15W, which is insane, and on 10W the Deck blows the Ally out of the park! And on top of that, the Deck _also_ wins with better battery life. I know you have BIOS update 319, so I'm hoping this is just an anomaly bc of that, bc this seems off :/ btw THANK YOU for making this summary overlays for each setting, and for including the Deck's 15W performance when showing the Ally's 25W mode, all of that was incredibly helpful and easy to follow and compare those two with. All the key info was present there -- cannot imagine how much time it must have taken, but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your effort 😇 Also, you're currently the only channel comparing these two devices with the same footage _and_ including the raw battery consumption in watts -- that info is super important when comparing them, so thanks a lot for that ⭐ The only improvement would be to include BIOS 317 footage for a proper comparison, but you keep doing what you're doing 👏
Thank you so much for the in-depth feedback and kind words! I'm really glad to hear that you found the summary overlays and raw battery consumption data helpful. As for the results, they were definitely interesting, weren't they? With the BIOS update 319, this is what we observed. We're as surprised as you are with how close the Steam Deck and Ally performed under similar conditions. Regarding your suggestion to include BIOS 317 footage, that's a great idea. We will definitely consider revisiting these tests with other BIOS versions in future videos to provide even more comprehensive data (it's that it will take sooo much time to gather all the data). Thanks again for your support, and stay tuned for more comparisons and updates! 👍😊
@@benchmarkbros No worries, if it's possible to include 317 in the future it would be ideal, but I totally understand that it would take so much more time, so no worries. I wish I had an Ally myself, but I don't, so I can't help 😅 Thanks for all that you do ⭐
Don't forget Elden Ring was one of the first games Valve got optimized on the Deck even before it was on the PC. It was run better on the Deck than on the PC at first. Elden Ring is an exception and not the rule as the average is the Ally will get the same performance at 1080p as the Deck at 800p at 15 TDP. Lower the resolution to 720p the Ally should get an average of 20% frame rate increase over the Deck.
Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement! I truly appreciate your support. I'll keep working hard and striving to deliver valuable content. Hopefully, with time, the number of subscribers will continue to grow. Thank you again for your positive feedback!
Im glad were seeing this revival for handhelds. Since the nintendo switch 2 is a mcguffin. When the steamdeck was anounced it was a huge surprise to everyone, then for a full year up the launch day they gave people tons of hands on experience to poke and prod it. They spent alot of time on the engineering of the steam deck and it shows. The ally was also a surprise annoucement from asus. But it was out only a few months later before release, without any of the intense play testing we got on the steam deck. Theirs also the leering issue of ASUS having poor hardware and software support and quality as of late. The Ally is awesome with huge potential, but its up the company to put in the work in to make it on the same level as the steam deck, time will tell
in this particular game test, it kind of clearly that steam deck won. But we know that this game is deemed "lightweight". We need more tests to determine which one should you choose to fit with your point of use.
They're both good products, the Steam Deck is more mature as a whole, but the Ally has some strong points. You can avoid the SD issue by setting a manual fan curve so that the slot doesn't reach 95C.
Did you notice the frame rate on the Deck didn't drop much at 10 TDP? This is because the Deck custom chip is designed to get the maximum performance at low wattage. After 11 TDP most of the extra wattage just turns to heat especially on demanding games. The same with the Ally after 18-20 TDP most of the extra wattage turns into heat. Thus in some games it's better to set the Deck TDP at 10 -11 TDP for the best efficiency and the Ally at 18-20 TDP. The ally will only gain a few extra fps for the extra 7 watts.
Not going to bother going into details but this is just wrong on all accounts. Performance gains on the deck start to diminish only after 20w tdp and the ally can continue delivering better performance up to 30w. I have an undervolted steam deck which I run at 18-20w for many newer games and the performance is easily 20-40% better than at 10-11w tdp. Also, the power isn’t merely converted to heat. This doesnt make sense. The APU will only draw power when it has been asked to ramp up the cpu/gpu clock or more shader units are active under higher gpu load. It will only draw as much power as is required. Yes, the gains in performance will not be linear to higher power usage but that’s not something that can be generalised and depends on multiple factors such as rendering API, multithreading implementation of the game etc
@@diesel_dogg I know about the silicon lottery which is what you seem to be referring to. I'm not referring to undervolting a chip where you've got lucky and got an above average chip. The evidence of what I'm referring to can be easily seen in this video. There is not performance lost going from the 15 tdp to 10 tdp due to the design of the chip. Overclocking a chip is even more inefficient. This doesn't matter as much on a gaming desktop where you don't care if overclocking is inefficient.
@@smidlee7747 undervolting or overclocking notwithstanding, the point I’m trying to make is that the steam deck is very much capable of increased performance all the way up to 20w tdp. In some games, especially with directx11 or older APIs, your point may hold but the fact is that at 10-11w, the cpu cores don’t hit max clock nor do all the GPU cores come online so it won’t be a correct statement that this is the zone where the Deck’s performance maxes out.
@@diesel_dogg I already knew decades ago in college when a company builds an electronic device all the components will contain variables. So if you design a chip to do X you need to aim to manufacture it greater than X to account for variables. You want to aim to have as low of hardware failures as possible over a given time. If a company pushes the hardware too close to the limit it will have greater percentage hardware failure due to variables. So the silicon lottery means some people buying the exact same device will actually have better hardware than others. If you are lucky you can undervolt and overclock the cpu and gpu and get better results than the standard which the chip was designed for. When a company cut corners too much and set the standard too high a device will have a higher percentage of hardware failure. A good example of this is Xbox 360 "ring of death". It was only a minority of consumers (around 10%) who got the ring of death. (of course all hardware eventually fails) The last thing a manufacturer wants is people comparing their product and getting different results since the one who getting poorer results would feel like they got cheated.
@@smidlee7747 I understood what you were talking about with regards pushing hardware beyond its limits from your last response but what I said earlier as well is to make the point that 15w is not a performance ceiling for the SD's APU and has only been enforced by Valve for safety/thermal reasons and perhaps to amplify the illusion of having better battery life while gaming. Likewise, with the Ally, the performance quite steadily continues to increase all the way up to 30w and not 18-20w as you appear to claim in your original comment. In fact, as you're surely aware, the Ally does have the thermal provisions to run at higher wattages so unlike the Deck where only a handful of users would be willing to push the TDP beyond 15w or mess around with undervolts/OC, the Ally can run at higher power out of the box. All that being said, you are not wrong in saying that both the APUs will become progressively less efficient when pushed beyond 10-12w (SD) or 20w(Ally)
I saw some testing done I think by Cryobyte33 for elden ring, and he believes that elden ring is a game that seems to be performance limited by anti cheat on the steam deck. If so I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true for the ally considering both of them using AMD APU's. If so, elden ring isn't the greatest example for capabilities, although this does show that both are great at playing elden ring. I'd still take the steam deck any day though.
What do you think about the Elden Ring benchmark results? Are you Team ROG Ally or Team Steam Deck? Comment below! 👇
I’m on team steam deck, because I prefer the use of Arch Linux over Windows 11.
id say its pretty dissapointing.. Though Ally more powerful than deck? But in your tests i dont see it at all.
@Vllath1 I'm a bit disappointed too. The only thing I think the Ally has over the Steam Deck is that the Ally's screen is leagues ahead of the Steam Deck's screen. If I were deciding between the 512GB Steam Deck model and the Ally I would choose the Ally, otherwise I think the Steam Deck is a better value. At least at the moment.
@@benchmarkbrosthere is a new screen coming to the steam deck soon. An HD screen from a third party. Once that is out and certain people get their hands on those, the ally will be pointless.
@@benchmarkbros Do you have the 3.19 update that lowers performance?
To get the best out of your ally:
1- debloat windows
2- turn off cpu boost on battery
3- disable core isolation
4- do a fan profile and set it to 18w.
5- remember this is a really powerfull cpu (same scores as i9 11gen) so it will consume some more power.
5- have fun, the 1080p 120hz vrr screen is really amazingl!
I was getting 40fps at 15w low 1080p.
My rog ally performance is way better then the steam deck on Elden ring but I have to admit I enjoy the steam deck button layout better
Valves custom apu is quite impressive. When the Ally first came out i thought for sure the deck was gonna get slaughtered...but in most games its not a huge difference.
Totally agree, SteamDeck for half the price too is remarkable
@@Browza22if you’re looking to game >60 fps then yes, the difference in some specific games is pretty huge but for demanding games that run at
It's the Proton layer that makes the difference on Elden Ring
Steam Deck is really impressive. I own the Rog Ally and I believe it will become significantly faster with new bios released and as the gpu drivers improve.
Let's hope so, because right now the Ally is facing a tough challenge, barely matching the Steam Deck at 15W and falling behind at 10W. The only advantage it currently holds is the 25W mode and the superior screen. However, there's still time for it to meet the high expectations and live up to the hype.
@@benchmarkbros Of course this is a single game so there are always exceptions when it comes to PC gaming where a slight less powerful hardware can get better performance than a more powerful hardware. There are examples where the 780m gpu in the Ally can outperform a desktop 1060 which is impressive. But in most games the 1060 will get better performance with it's 6Gb of Vram.
In most games the Ally will get close to the same performance at 1080p that the Deck gets at 800p at 15 TDP. In Diablo 4 the Ally in turbo mode is getting close to double the performance of the Deck at 720p.
This isn't a great choice of game to test between the two devices as there is a customised profile for Elden Ring within the Proton layer on Steam Deck I believe. I own the Ally and the Steam Deck and the latter usually lags behind.
I dont care what all this rocket scientists say... The Steam Deck is the best handheld if it comes to price/performance ratio... For nearly identical performance the SD cost 412€ in Europe while the Ally is a whopping 799€...
❤ I love my steam deck, when my wife isn't playing it.... 😅
@@JDabz96 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏
Ally cost cca 899€ without accesories
Price to performance is nothing if that crappy deck can't run recent games at playable fps
@@Shubham-hk6yf Runs everything at decent fps. For me... For fps Nazis maybe not... 🤣
KUDOS TO U MAN , a lot of youtubers are just showing off gameplay on turbo mode and plug in. I would like to see at Low tdp because i intend to use as a portable PC
Holy God, this is crazy! They're near identical in 15W, and the Ally is only _slightly_ better in its 25W mode vs Deck's 15W, which is insane, and on 10W the Deck blows the Ally out of the park! And on top of that, the Deck _also_ wins with better battery life. I know you have BIOS update 319, so I'm hoping this is just an anomaly bc of that, bc this seems off :/
btw THANK YOU for making this summary overlays for each setting, and for including the Deck's 15W performance when showing the Ally's 25W mode, all of that was incredibly helpful and easy to follow and compare those two with. All the key info was present there -- cannot imagine how much time it must have taken, but I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your effort 😇 Also, you're currently the only channel comparing these two devices with the same footage _and_ including the raw battery consumption in watts -- that info is super important when comparing them, so thanks a lot for that ⭐ The only improvement would be to include BIOS 317 footage for a proper comparison, but you keep doing what you're doing 👏
Thank you so much for the in-depth feedback and kind words! I'm really glad to hear that you found the summary overlays and raw battery consumption data helpful. As for the results, they were definitely interesting, weren't they? With the BIOS update 319, this is what we observed. We're as surprised as you are with how close the Steam Deck and Ally performed under similar conditions.
Regarding your suggestion to include BIOS 317 footage, that's a great idea. We will definitely consider revisiting these tests with other BIOS versions in future videos to provide even more comprehensive data (it's that it will take sooo much time to gather all the data).
Thanks again for your support, and stay tuned for more comparisons and updates! 👍😊
@@benchmarkbros No worries, if it's possible to include 317 in the future it would be ideal, but I totally understand that it would take so much more time, so no worries. I wish I had an Ally myself, but I don't, so I can't help 😅
Thanks for all that you do ⭐
Don't forget Elden Ring was one of the first games Valve got optimized on the Deck even before it was on the PC. It was run better on the Deck than on the PC at first. Elden Ring is an exception and not the rule as the average is the Ally will get the same performance at 1080p as the Deck at 800p at 15 TDP. Lower the resolution to 720p the Ally should get an average of 20% frame rate increase over the Deck.
keep doing good work, you should have had more subs.
Thank you so much for your kind words and encouragement! I truly appreciate your support. I'll keep working hard and striving to deliver valuable content. Hopefully, with time, the number of subscribers will continue to grow. Thank you again for your positive feedback!
I agree with this comment, I love the in-depth comparison
Steam Deck for the win. So glad i bought this day 1 when it released.
Im glad were seeing this revival for handhelds. Since the nintendo switch 2 is a mcguffin. When the steamdeck was anounced it was a huge surprise to everyone, then for a full year up the launch day they gave people tons of hands on experience to poke and prod it. They spent alot of time on the engineering of the steam deck and it shows. The ally was also a surprise annoucement from asus. But it was out only a few months later before release, without any of the intense play testing we got on the steam deck. Theirs also the leering issue of ASUS having poor hardware and software support and quality as of late. The Ally is awesome with huge potential, but its up the company to put in the work in to make it on the same level as the steam deck, time will tell
in this particular game test, it kind of clearly that steam deck won. But we know that this game is deemed "lightweight". We need more tests to determine which one should you choose to fit with your point of use.
I find running most games at 10W with a 40 FPS cap is the way to go, temps stay down and it's much more quiet and you only lose 2-3 fps
can you make a similar comparison in the Hollow Knight or something similar?
Sure, I'll add it to the huge backlog of games to test 😝
How do you turn on fsr on elden ring?
With the sd card issues on the ally, theres to many reasons to not get it for me, steam deck is just the better thought out product.
They're both good products, the Steam Deck is more mature as a whole, but the Ally has some strong points. You can avoid the SD issue by setting a manual fan curve so that the slot doesn't reach 95C.
I am getting 55-60 fps at 25 watts on the Ally. You shouldn't do these tests if you dont know how to properly use the devices you are showing!
He commented on another post pointing out how thes tests were done 8 months before your comment when their drivers were subpar
Did you notice the frame rate on the Deck didn't drop much at 10 TDP? This is because the Deck custom chip is designed to get the maximum performance at low wattage. After 11 TDP most of the extra wattage just turns to heat especially on demanding games. The same with the Ally after 18-20 TDP most of the extra wattage turns into heat.
Thus in some games it's better to set the Deck TDP at 10 -11 TDP for the best efficiency and the Ally at 18-20 TDP. The ally will only gain a few extra fps for the extra 7 watts.
Not going to bother going into details but this is just wrong on all accounts.
Performance gains on the deck start to diminish only after 20w tdp and the ally can continue delivering better performance up to 30w.
I have an undervolted steam deck which I run at 18-20w for many newer games and the performance is easily 20-40% better than at 10-11w tdp.
Also, the power isn’t merely converted to heat. This doesnt make sense. The APU will only draw power when it has been asked to ramp up the cpu/gpu clock or more shader units are active under higher gpu load. It will only draw as much power as is required. Yes, the gains in performance will not be linear to higher power usage but that’s not something that can be generalised and depends on multiple factors such as rendering API, multithreading implementation of the game etc
@@diesel_dogg I know about the silicon lottery which is what you seem to be referring to. I'm not referring to undervolting a chip where you've got lucky and got an above average chip.
The evidence of what I'm referring to can be easily seen in this video. There is not performance lost going from the 15 tdp to 10 tdp due to the design of the chip.
Overclocking a chip is even more inefficient. This doesn't matter as much on a gaming desktop where you don't care if overclocking is inefficient.
@@smidlee7747 undervolting or overclocking notwithstanding, the point I’m trying to make is that the steam deck is very much capable of increased performance all the way up to 20w tdp.
In some games, especially with directx11 or older APIs, your point may hold but the fact is that at 10-11w, the cpu cores don’t hit max clock nor do all the GPU cores come online so it won’t be a correct statement that this is the zone where the Deck’s performance maxes out.
@@diesel_dogg I already knew decades ago in college when a company builds an electronic device all the components will contain variables. So if you design a chip to do X you need to aim to manufacture it greater than X to account for variables.
You want to aim to have as low of hardware failures as possible over a given time.
If a company pushes the hardware too close to the limit it will have greater percentage hardware failure due to variables. So the silicon lottery means some people buying the exact same device will actually have better hardware than others. If you are lucky you can undervolt and overclock the cpu and gpu and get better results than the standard which the chip was designed for.
When a company cut corners too much and set the standard too high a device will have a higher percentage of hardware failure.
A good example of this is Xbox 360 "ring of death". It was only a minority of consumers (around 10%) who got the ring of death.
(of course all hardware eventually fails)
The last thing a manufacturer wants is people comparing their product and getting different results since the one who getting poorer results would feel like they got cheated.
@@smidlee7747 I understood what you were talking about with regards pushing hardware beyond its limits from your last response but what I said earlier as well is to make the point that 15w is not a performance ceiling for the SD's APU and has only been enforced by Valve for safety/thermal reasons and perhaps to amplify the illusion of having better battery life while gaming. Likewise, with the Ally, the performance quite steadily continues to increase all the way up to 30w and not 18-20w as you appear to claim in your original comment.
In fact, as you're surely aware, the Ally does have the thermal provisions to run at higher wattages so unlike the Deck where only a handful of users would be willing to push the TDP beyond 15w or mess around with undervolts/OC, the Ally can run at higher power out of the box.
All that being said, you are not wrong in saying that both the APUs will become progressively less efficient when pushed beyond 10-12w (SD) or 20w(Ally)
this is the video i expected
I saw some testing done I think by Cryobyte33 for elden ring, and he believes that elden ring is a game that seems to be performance limited by anti cheat on the steam deck. If so I wouldn't be surprised if the same is true for the ally considering both of them using AMD APU's. If so, elden ring isn't the greatest example for capabilities, although this does show that both are great at playing elden ring. I'd still take the steam deck any day though.
Lmao ive played this game on my ally and it runs so much better then yours what tf are you doing to yours 🤣
It could be that this was recorded when the Ally first launched so the drivers weren't as stable as now.
I just got the steam deck on sale. With money from selling csgo skins hahaa
La steam deck esta ardiendo🔥🔥🔥 eso no tiene ningun sentido😂😂😂
Both
Steam Deck or Game Pass on android/iOS is still a better deal.