How Long To Charge The Audi Q4 e-tron?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- The Audi Q4 e-tron is Audi's new entry-level all-electric vehicle. It utilizes the Volkswagen Group's MEB platform and is basically the premium version of the Volkswagen's ID.4. In this video I discuss how long it takes to charge the Q4 e-tron on the various different ways it can be charged.
This video is powered by Qmerit, North America’s leading provider of installation services for EV charging, home energy storage, and other electrification technologies. See how Qmerit is making the energy transition easy for home and business owners: qmerit.com/ev/charge
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:35 The Audi Q4 e-tron Fast Charging vs the Volkswagen ID.4
2:32 The different Audi Q4 e-tron versions
4:02 Audi Q4 e-tron home charging times
8:05 The full 0 to 100% DC fast charge recording in time-lapse
10:23 The full charge summary
13:15 The Audi Q4 e-tron charging curve
15:18 The Audi Q4 e-tron time to charge chart
16:56 How long to add 100 & 200 miles of driving range?
18:17 Summary
Interested in one of the top-rated EV charging stations we've reviewed? You can order them here:
Emporia 48-amp: amzn.to/3EgDRGS
Enel X JuiceBox: amzn.to/3UR55Lk
ChargePoint Home Flex: amzn.to/2V3Ye79
Pulsar Plus 48: amzn.to/3C9aB1O
Electrify America HomeStation: amzn.to/3Kc7qvo
Autel MaxiCharger W/Remote Holster: amzn.to/3Guraeh
Autel Maxicharger W/Integrated Holster: amzn.to/3TVd20G
Note: I do earn commission from sales generated from the links above - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
so tom is telling us 0 other journalists are interested in charging information for these cars? pathetic. great work tom.
No, the other journalists just know to stay in their lane. This is Tom’s turf and they know better than to cross a guy from Jersey.
@@lynyrd65YT 😂
I like the hypothetical projection lines that help clarify, to the new viewers, exactly where improvements could be made, and how to interpreted the graphs more accurately. Great analysis.💯
Excellent video, Tom. Since everyone (manufacturers, chargepoint providers, experts like Tom) recommend charging to a maximum of 80%, then car makers should specify the range of the car if driven from 80% down to 5% as part of their specs so buyers are aware of "typical use" mileage.
If you were going to drive long range you would charge to 100%, so the range estimate is still valid. There is no need to charge more than 80% (maybe less) for 95% of drivers
I second this comment re: show range for “typical use” when 80% charged
Great review. One idea here. Why don't you, like you said, charge up to 80%, stop the charge, unplug, re-plug and charge to 100% to see if there is any time difference. Let us know if you like that idea.
Thanks Tom, really enjoy the real world testing you do...
Great video Tom, keep up the good work. The Q4 isn't exceptional in any aspect except maybe the ride. But is perfectly adequate for our use, which includes some road trips and fast charging. We enjoy ours alot. Thanks for what you do.
Well done Tom!
thanks for the vid and charging info. We are soon to be owners of a Q4 (hoping for March delivery) the content is of great interest. One correction re the models mentioned for North America.....that info may be true for the US but not Canada where Audi do not bring in the 2 wheel drive option perhaps for obvious climate reasons :)
Extremely helpful. I am an EV newbie and this was very insightful. Thanks!
Thank you!
Your charging details are fantastic and greatly appreciated. Are you planning to cover Genesis 800V EVs that should provide a 10% - 80% DC charge below 20mins? I know a lot of people who have purchased or are looking at Genesis GV60 or electric G80 that are now being delivered in USA. Electric GV70 is to start deliveries this year. As far as I know, Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are the only 800V vehicles being offered at $80K or less. Would love to see your real world experience with these 800V platforms. Do they really outperform 400V platforms when it comes to charging?
Thanks for this helpful video.
Great analysis. That battery and range are pretty small. So- so charging performance. A "premium" city EV. It would be great if you could have a vid with graphics that compare your accumulated data from your tests.
Thank you
Great video! Can’t wait to see how the Cadillac Lyriq compares to this, would also love to know the Lyriq range in the 70 mph test.
Hopefully, I'll get one in the spring to test. I want to do it when it gets a little warmer.
Tom, Re: “Soft” Charging. I use lower capacity superchargers for my ‘22 M3P & MYLR, in hopes of preserving the batteries, as I’m usually not rushed. Is that a reasonable strategy? Re: Your Testing Approach & Results. After hitting “zero,” do you continue until the car actually stops? Do BMSes “quiesce” their battery by reducing non-critical loads or just let cars risk low voltage permanent damage to weaker cells? How do other models & makes do with these considerations in mind? Thanks for being the best!
FYI: The US-built 2023 ID.4 advertises 170 KW charging, but people have seen up to 190-ish KW.
Yeah the US one. I recorded this back in September and VW was only quoting the German-made ID.4 charging times.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I would love to see a new video on the Chattanooga ID.4 charge curve!
@@BillAnderson1 I'll get one in the spring to record
Great video! I wonder how much time the new Chattanooga iD4 can shave off with its even higher peak charge rate? Any plans to do a new test with one, Tom? :) I'd let you use mine but I'm all the way in Michigan (just outside Ann Arbor.)
I will at some point, just need the vehicle loan. I'll probably wait until the spring when it's warmer.
After hitting “zero,” how far could you go before the car actually stop? Did the BMS “quiesce” the battery by reducing non-critical loads or just let the car risk low voltage permanent damage to weaker cells? How do other models & makes do with these considerations in mind?@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney.
I think I’ve seen 170 kW max advertised.
@stateofcharge Tom your graph says 350kW charging but in your video you said you were at a 150kW EA charger? Did I miss something?
👏👏👏!
Tom, i would be great if you could show starting and ending pack voltage and amps pulled by the car. That way, we would know if the car or the charging station is limiting charge rate. You could also talk about a "150 kW" station either really being able to deliver 150 kW to most cars (350 amps) or only 800 V cars (200 amps). Love your videos. Thanks!
Right? IONIQ5 owners are seeing over 150 kW at 150 kW stations (160 kW to 185 kW) and seeing more expensive options like this at half that real world charging rate is pretty bonkers. Hopefully VW figures out how to match 150 kW charging options (C40, PS2) let alone 350 kW charging options (Kia/Hyundai).
Thanks, Barry. Every EA station that I've used can deliver the full 150 kW for 400-v systems. I did a couple videos at an EVgo station that is 200-amp limited and I talked about that in the videos. I feel like if I talk about that in every video, I'll sound like a broken record, no?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Ok. Maybe have a note someone indicating that EA stations deliver 150 kW while EVgo (and others) are not capable?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Or maybe have amps as another axis on your graph? You can show the curve but not speak about it? Or just briefly show amp curve but say very little about it. You are already showing two curves, so if one more provides useful information, it has value. I am scientist, so I like to see all the data. As my PhD thesis advisor, Scott Fogler, RIP, used to say "push the data".
Does the Tesla universal wall charger work with the Audi Q4 etron 2024?
As always, great video. The time of charge standard that many use is 10% to 80%. I’d like to see this as a “standard” test that you use. It’s very real world when taking longer trips. I can compare vehicle to vehicle; variations brought about by cold / heat; efficiency of specific stations on my route and charging company to charging company. Many thanks
I always do the full 0-100% even though people won't typically charge an EV like that. I do so to demonstrate the full charging cycle. And not everyone uses 10% to 80% - there really isn't a "standard" yet, I wish there was. Ford uses 15% to 80%, Porsche uses 5% to 80%, and some others use 10% to 80%. I put the entire session out there and let people pick the segment they want to examine.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney GTK thiidetail. Thx for the bonus content.
can I use your Power-SoC plots for research?
Hi Tom, Great info as always! I'm going to ask what I'm certain is a stupid question, but it is more to help me understand than as an actual thought experiment that would work. So the thought experiment is this: What if you were to charge for 10 min at the 140kw rate and then unplug the vehicle and replug it to start that 'first 10 min' again? :) Again, I'm sure this is a question born from ignorance but help me understand why the throttle happens. Thanks for all you do for our EV community!
So for must EVs, the charging curve will stay the same (or close to it) meaning you will only accept x-amount of power at x-state of charge. But not ALL EVs work that way. Look at my Ford F-150 Lightning charging video, The Lightning will do what you are saying, it will go back to the higher power if you unplug/plug back it. However, there's a reason why the OEMs make these curves, to protect the battery, so I'm not sure it would be wise to do this to try to save 1-2 minutes - that's all you would save really because it would take time shutting off the charger, unplugging that waiting for the station to reset and then plugging back in and starting a new session. It might actually take longer to do that.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney not to mention the software updates EV makers can and do release to improve the charging characteristics. This reminds me to ask if you're ever going to share the update you promised on Jaguar i-Pace charging from early 2022. In an episode from InsideEVs in Feb. 2022 you said you observed 125 kW rates.
Tom - I own a 2022 Audi Q4 50 Quattro Prestige E-Tron. Is it possible for Audi to improve the charging curve with an OTA software update? I use a Chargepoint HomeFlex connected to a NEMA 1450 in my garage. I typically get 7.7KW of energy and the home charge speed is comparable to my Tesla Model Y using the same Chargepoint HomeFlex.
It is possible the ChargePoint is not set to deliver more than 32-amps. If the Model Y isn't taking in more than 7.7 kW also then I believe the charger is set to deliver lower power. You can adjust that in the app but make sure the wiring on the circuit is the proper gauge to deliver the full 40-amps a NEMA 14-50 outlet can deliver.
If you hard-wired the ChargePoint instead of plugging it in it can then deliver 48-amps, the full 11 kW that the Q4 can accept and you'll charge a lot faster at home.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney I spoke to Chargepoint. No longer adjust using the App. Had to restart the station and set up like brand new. Was able to select 50 Amp Breaker using plug in NEMA 14-50. Plugged into my Tesla and I’m now getting 40 Amps instead of 32!! Nice. Yes, I do have this connected to a 50 Amp breaker..an electrician installed this.
At the charging station you stated you were going to use the 150kW charger but on your charts they show using the 350kW charging station, which one was it?
Hmm. I recorded this in September so I don't exactly remember. But that wouldn't make any difference in the recording anyway.
is it ccs?
Any idea why Audi throttled the charging curve on the Q4 e-tron at 30% State of Charge onward, compared to it’s big brother e-tron?
They are different battery cells and the Q4's pack is smaller.
I just got an Audi Etron 2024 and I have been sitting charging for over an hour and still not on full. Really pissed off. Can’t wait to call Audi tomorrow 🤬
2023 ID.4 has a peak DCFC rate of almost 200 kW
55 hrs on 110V? Fine if you are taking it to the cabin for the long weekend, no?
until Audi starts using 800v like Kia/Hyundai does that charges 10-80 in 18mins. I'll stick with EV6 for now.
I’m sure the Audi has a comfortable ride and premium interior, but range is much too short for the price.
What a disappointment for such an expensive car, great presentation as always Tom!
so..... Hyundia (KIA, Genesis) will charge 10 to 80% in 18 mins. I own a Tesla, so I'm impressed by Hyundai, but just don't get the Legacies. They had years to copy Tesla, and then came out with this???? 135KW max, crap range, and then Korea does this? I will hold my congrats on the Hyundai group for 8 years, because why doesn't Tesla do this? They know something. If you look at Hyundai's record on honoring warranty on the millions of ICE claims, I wouldn't feel comfortable owing their EV products even in warranty. As for VW, my god, they may not be long for this world.
Hybrid is way better
Shoot me now. Imagine being on a trip and having the sit there for 45-1hr to charge? And you are paying a huge premium to buy these cars. If you can charge at work or home and don't travel long distances you are fine but otherwise this would be painful to go through. I still think PHEVs are the way to go for most people until this technology develops.
Nobody runs down to zero and charges up to 100%. Typically, people charge at about 10% and stop when they get to 80%. That's because charging rates are much faster below 80%.
I have 2 plug in hybrids. They go about 90% full electric for my daily driving yet have no restrictions for the occasional road trip.
I cannot imagine bothering with a full electric car as my only car. Until the range is more than I could drive in a whole day at real highway speed and then be guaranteed a charger at my destination..... no thanks.
I can't wait an hour for a charge after waiting for a few people ahead of me that also need an hour.
Yeah I've been thinking that too.
Many EVs on side of road with dead batteries in the arctic blast three weeks ago. Just the cold alone cut battery capacity to half.
Most people fly if they have long trips. If not you would never do 0-100% anyway. 10-80 is common. That is ~35 minutes. Just time enough for a quick meal. Then drive for another 3 hours.
@@Factory400 Not many people drive all day at highway speeds.
People don't care. One's will be charging from Home overnight every 3-4 days during week when it's cheaper $$$. You on;y think of range and time if traveling 30-50 miles do you need to wait outside at a station and pay more $$$?..... Night Charging????? Work weeks? People would like to know that...
What if you live in an apartment and can't charge at home?
@State Of Charge You don't Buy or get into a EV if you can't charge overnight lower costs. Need SFH with driveway, garage.
@@QuietStormX I know literally dozens of people that can't charge overnight and love their EV. You shouldn't project your opinions on others. Not everyone fits in the same box, my friend.🙂
@@QuietStormX tell that to every jackass I see living in rental apartments with model y's in central jersey
So your taking a pampered trip on audi's dime and we are expected to trust your reviews?
I don't expect anything, Larry. If people think I'm not authentic they shouldn't watch my content or read my articles, there are a lot of other options! 😀
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney there are no other options!😂
Who reviews cars and never takes money from car manufacturers? All the car magazine journalists write in publications that are filled with......car manufacturer advertisements. Of course, on You Tube, it is possible to not take money from car makers, but then there is a good chance the ads running on the video are from car manufacturers. Tom has said plenty of bad things about EVSEs and cars he's reviewed and he thinks for himself, in my opinion.
@State Of Charge it makes you go far to easy on them
@@larryspiller15 How did he go easy on them? He said this car is not the best charging vehicle out there, but it is decent. I agree with that. It's not a Bolt that maxes out at 53 kW but it is also not a E-GMP car that charges at over 200 kW thanks to an 800 V pack.
omg the front look like a clown face?