They don’t even believe the Quran is eternal, and they want to talk to us about the Quran being created or not created? The difference between them (so-called “salafis”)and the muatazillah in this subject is mostly semantical
وَقَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ أُنَيْسٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، سَمِعْتُ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ: " إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْشُرُ الْعِبَادَ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَيُنَادِيهِمْ بِصَوْتٍ يَسْمَعُهُ مَنْ بَعُدَ كَمَا يَسْمَعُهُ مَنْ قَرُبَ: أَنَا الْمَلِكُ وَأَنَا الدَّيَّانُ، لَا يَنْبَغِي لِأَحَدٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ أَنْ يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ، وَأَحَدٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ يَطْلُبُهُ بِمَظْلَمَةٍ This is in kholq Afaal Al-3ibad for Imam Al-Bukhari. The messanger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم clearly told us that Allah سبحانه وتعالى speaks with sound that can he heard. And likewise the speech of Allah سبحانه وتعالى is divine and an attribute of his.
سبحان الله You laugh at the Quran and Sunnah. What are you? قل أبالله واياته ورسوله كنتم تستهزؤون لا تعتذرو قد كفرتم بعد إيمانكم "Say, is it with Allah his signs and his messengers you were mocking. Do not apologise, you have disbelieved after your belief."
@@osmanshah5046 Allah exists & He created us so we exist - is that likening the Creator to creation? And how do so called Wahabis differ from other Sunnis with primary evidence?
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Allah’s existence is necessary to the existence of anything else while he is not dependent on anything else existing for his existence. Our existence is dependent on the will of Allah. The two things are not at all the same.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 The Attribute of Life is simply a Quality, they differ totally in reality. For example your smartphone is intelligent, and you are intelligent so they differ in their Haqiqah altogether, so there's no Tashbih in affirming Life for Allah, then affirm life for yourself. As for the Sifat al Khabariyyah, that don't carry a quality or a sifah, but they are only known in the Arabic language to give you a Body part, like Hand or face or leg etc. The Literal meaning in this would constitute tashbih, since the literal meaning is الجارحة which means something that can separate from Allah. We don't affirm this for Allah. So we do Tafwidh al Ma'na regarding it.
@@adelow Thank you for your reply, but it seems you misconsider a few points. But before I forget, we once discussed Sahih Bukhari, you told me of much of it's abrogated, do you have a source for that? & did it say how much? Back to the main point, to exist & to have Iife can be different, like a rock exists but doesn't have Iife that we know of. To further understand your point can you name something that has life that isn't physical? Thanks.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 i think you've compared between oranges and apples. Absolutely, something that lives, is dependent on its existent, but it does not have to be physical. Physical means something you can touch, see, smell, hear and feel, yet none of those apply to the angels as of you living now. Thus Allah is not physical, and there is no proof to affirm that, and it would be falling into Tajsim. Aqli Arguments in this case needs to be قطعا for us to establish such a thing for Allah. As for "Much" of bukhari being abrogated, i don't recall evee claiming such a thing. Though if you've read bukhari yourself, you'll see narrations that are in apparent conflicting, and they need to be reconciled in according to how the Usulis did their method with الجمع او الترجيح
Anwar is stubborn. Asks a question, gets an answer he didn’t expect then instead of trying to understand he says “please have adab and listen”. Pathetic.
Amazing Hk had to cut off the clip when the Hadith if the Messanger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم came in. Why because he knows it refutes his false Aqeedah. سبحان الله You only posted the part where these ignorant rude ashari boys were yapping nonsense. But you ended thd clip at the hadith. الحمد لله for thr Sunnah
imam bukhari in his khalq af'al ibad said that if someone claiming that the word of the qur'an can see in the mushaf, then they claim that qur'an speech of Allah can see.
We came from Allah created & return to Allah created. Allah's speech came uncreated (Quran 7.54 & 2.117) & to Him it returns uncreated (Quran 17.86 tafsir ibn Kathir). --- Jibril carried the word of Allah. Quran 4.171 - ... Îsa, son of Maryam, was a Messenger **of Allah & His Word, ("Be!") bestowed on Maryam** and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; ... Quran 66.12 - ... & We (royal we for Allah) breathed into her through our Ruh (Jibril) This is what makes the speech of Allah special Attribute.
Quran is speech of Allah as in it is a holy speech that we recite. like we have the she-camel of (Allah doesn't ride it), the house of Allah (Allah doesn't live in it), the spirit of Allah (even salafis dont say there is a spirit inside of Allah), speech of God should be adressed like ruh Allah
Anwar seems to have no knowledge, he probably watched a vid "how to destroy the Asha'ira in one simple question" but his ignorance got exposed, he also kept cutting them off. No knowledge, and no discussion ethics.
😂 everything other than Allah is created. 1. The eternal speech is uncreated. 2. The utterances are created, and they connect the soul to the eternal speech 3. They are like accrss keys.
1. Quran 7.54 - for Allah is creation & command. (So Allah's command is uncreated). 2. Quran 2.117 - Allah's command is He says Be & it is. ( So Allah's Speech is His command thus uncreated) 3. Quran 17.86 - What we reveal we can take back. Tafsir ibn Kathir - Allah will send a wind to take Iife of believers and the mushaf will be empty and ppl won't remember the Quran. So the Quran is from Allah & will return to Him & it includes the writings & what is in the hearts. 4. Quran 9.6 so that the mushrikun can hear the speech of Allah. So our recitation is gone as well and returns to Allah as well based on above hadith.
Well, yeah, if the (our) created sounds connect to the meanings of the divine speech, then they will be taken away, and the abilty to connect to the meanings will be lost to us. The mushafs will be cleared of those created words, as they would be another means of accessing the sounds that connect to the eternal speech.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 that is slightly incorrect because we, too, return to Allah, yet we are created. Any utterance of a person, khalq, or shay is created. Returning (being lifted) has no bearing on being created. I hope no one here will argue that creation can hold a divine attribute of Allah. That is shirkh billah. The best way to look at is it, God created words to connect us to the divine speech and it's intended meanings. May Allah ta'ala guide all of us. Ameen
anwar kept cutting him off and still got destroyed wallahi may Allah bless this brother hanafi and reed
JazakAllahu khair for sharing this
They don’t even believe the Quran is eternal, and they want to talk to us about the Quran being created or not created? The difference between them (so-called “salafis”)and the muatazillah in this subject is mostly semantical
Mujassim interrupt because they know they'll get busted.
This debate is unorganized.
SUBHANALLAH ❤❤❤❤
HAROUN IS NOW DOING SIDE HUSTLE DESTROYING WUHHABIZIS😊
MAY ALLAH BLESS U WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE ❤❤❤
Both sides did terrible. No progress was made here.
Where did this happen , TikTok?
@15:59 Anwar got destroyed
وَقَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ أُنَيْسٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ، سَمِعْتُ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ يَقُولُ: " إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَحْشُرُ الْعِبَادَ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فَيُنَادِيهِمْ بِصَوْتٍ يَسْمَعُهُ مَنْ بَعُدَ كَمَا يَسْمَعُهُ مَنْ قَرُبَ: أَنَا الْمَلِكُ وَأَنَا الدَّيَّانُ، لَا يَنْبَغِي لِأَحَدٍ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ أَنْ يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ، وَأَحَدٌ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ يَطْلُبُهُ بِمَظْلَمَةٍ
This is in kholq Afaal Al-3ibad for Imam Al-Bukhari. The messanger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم clearly told us that Allah سبحانه وتعالى speaks with sound that can he heard. And likewise the speech of Allah سبحانه وتعالى is divine and an attribute of his.
This guy Anwar is a total joke 😂 way over head. “I only know Quran and sunnah” I am dead 😂😂😂
سبحان الله
You laugh at the Quran and Sunnah. What are you?
قل أبالله واياته ورسوله كنتم تستهزؤون لا تعتذرو قد كفرتم بعد إيمانكم
"Say, is it with Allah his signs and his messengers you were mocking. Do not apologise, you have disbelieved after your belief."
@farhadkhorozh4150 yeah, dude only knows the four horseman and claims Qur'an and Sunnah.
What exactly do the wahabi’s think likeness is? What they describe as the speech of Allah is nothing but likening the Creator to the creation.
@@osmanshah5046
Allah exists & He created us so we exist - is that likening the Creator to creation?
And how do so called Wahabis differ from other Sunnis with primary evidence?
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Allah’s existence is necessary to the existence of anything else while he is not dependent on anything else existing for his existence. Our existence is dependent on the will of Allah. The two things are not at all the same.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543
The Attribute of Life is simply a Quality, they differ totally in reality. For example your smartphone is intelligent, and you are intelligent so they differ in their Haqiqah altogether, so there's no Tashbih in affirming Life for Allah, then affirm life for yourself.
As for the Sifat al Khabariyyah, that don't carry a quality or a sifah, but they are only known in the Arabic language to give you a Body part, like Hand or face or leg etc. The Literal meaning in this would constitute tashbih, since the literal meaning is الجارحة which means something that can separate from Allah. We don't affirm this for Allah. So we do Tafwidh al Ma'na regarding it.
@@adelow
Thank you for your reply, but it seems you misconsider a few points.
But before I forget, we once discussed Sahih Bukhari, you told me of much of it's abrogated, do you have a source for that? & did it say how much?
Back to the main point, to exist & to have Iife can be different, like a rock exists but doesn't have Iife that we know of.
To further understand your point can you name something that has life that isn't physical? Thanks.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 i think you've compared between oranges and apples. Absolutely, something that lives, is dependent on its existent, but it does not have to be physical. Physical means something you can touch, see, smell, hear and feel, yet none of those apply to the angels as of you living now.
Thus Allah is not physical, and there is no proof to affirm that, and it would be falling into Tajsim. Aqli Arguments in this case needs to be قطعا for us to establish such a thing for Allah.
As for "Much" of bukhari being abrogated, i don't recall evee claiming such a thing. Though if you've read bukhari yourself, you'll see narrations that are in apparent conflicting, and they need to be reconciled in according to how the Usulis did their method with الجمع او الترجيح
Anwar is stubborn.
Asks a question, gets an answer he didn’t expect then instead of trying to understand he says “please have adab and listen”. Pathetic.
that discussion was quite a train wreck I waited for 16min for a fiqh question
Amazing Hk had to cut off the clip when the Hadith if the Messanger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم came in. Why because he knows it refutes his false Aqeedah.
سبحان الله
You only posted the part where these ignorant rude ashari boys were yapping nonsense. But you ended thd clip at the hadith.
الحمد لله for thr Sunnah
I am interested in the full clip, where can I see it?
imam bukhari in his khalq af'al ibad said that if someone claiming that the word of the qur'an can see in the mushaf, then they claim that qur'an speech of Allah can see.
We came from Allah created & return to Allah created.
Allah's speech came uncreated (Quran 7.54 & 2.117) & to Him it returns uncreated (Quran 17.86 tafsir ibn Kathir).
---
Jibril carried the word of Allah.
Quran 4.171 - ... Îsa, son of Maryam, was a Messenger **of Allah & His Word, ("Be!") bestowed on Maryam** and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; ...
Quran 66.12 - ... & We (royal we for Allah) breathed into her through our Ruh (Jibril)
This is what makes the speech of Allah special Attribute.
Quran is speech of Allah as in it is a holy speech that we recite. like we have the she-camel of (Allah doesn't ride it), the house of Allah (Allah doesn't live in it), the spirit of Allah (even salafis dont say there is a spirit inside of Allah), speech of God should be adressed like ruh Allah
Part 2?
Anwar seems to have no knowledge, he probably watched a vid "how to destroy the Asha'ira in one simple question" but his ignorance got exposed, he also kept cutting them off. No knowledge, and no discussion ethics.
Pointless. These issues have been debated for centuries. What are you guys adding to the discussion which has not been discussed before
The trinity has been debated for centuries too. Let’s stop debating and giving dawah to Christians too
If someone reintroduces a false belief we are obligated to answer it again no matter how many times it was answered before.
sheikh?
Wahabi salafi taimy believe God spoke like creation in sound and language.... This is Trinitarian Christian creed
@@oeshkoeryou sound like trinity to me. You wahabi or christianity? Your god became flesh and speaks like human.
😂 everything other than Allah is created.
1. The eternal speech is uncreated.
2. The utterances are created, and they connect the soul to the eternal speech
3. They are like accrss keys.
1. Quran 7.54 - for Allah is creation & command. (So Allah's command is uncreated).
2. Quran 2.117 - Allah's command is He says Be & it is.
( So Allah's Speech is His command thus uncreated)
3. Quran 17.86 - What we reveal we can take back.
Tafsir ibn Kathir - Allah will send a wind to take Iife of believers and the mushaf will be empty and ppl won't remember the Quran.
So the Quran is from Allah & will return to Him & it includes the writings & what is in the hearts.
4. Quran 9.6 so that the mushrikun can hear the speech of Allah.
So our recitation is gone as well and returns to Allah as well based on above hadith.
If someone asks is your recitation of Quran created, say this is 2 issues, acts of creation are created but Allah's speech is uncreated.
Well, yeah, if the (our) created sounds connect to the meanings of the divine speech, then they will be taken away, and the abilty to connect to the meanings will be lost to us. The mushafs will be cleared of those created words, as they would be another means of accessing the sounds that connect to the eternal speech.
@yourstruly5706
The ink is created but the words that return to Allah isn't, as what returns to Allah is from Allah and isn't created.
@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 that is slightly incorrect because we, too, return to Allah, yet we are created. Any utterance of a person, khalq, or shay is created. Returning (being lifted) has no bearing on being created. I hope no one here will argue that creation can hold a divine attribute of Allah. That is shirkh billah.
The best way to look at is it, God created words to connect us to the divine speech and it's intended meanings.
May Allah ta'ala guide all of us.
Ameen
Wahabi Mujassim Musyabbih talking about Quran and Hadith... So weird
You speak with someone whose mothertongue is not arabic nor English, and he conflates the translations . So it brings you nowhere.
What’s this Freddynagz doing he’s a burger 🍔 milk 🥛 shake guy
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Allah bless Iran
May Allah guide them 1st.