Why would a Christian refuse to debate whether or not the Bible is the word of God? Because they know Sheikh Uthman will destroy him, and then their points are gone
they know but they chose to just mock and attack islam. thats how it works for them. just throw the bible under the bus and lets attack islam to prove they are right.
Their arguments are becoming more and more childish with each passing day. Earlier today, I was arguing with this guy under another video who was literally asking me that if Islam is true then why did the Christian world prevail in terms of technology and the Muslim world didn’t. Then he went on to name a few scientists who happened to be Christian. This is the level of their argument. It would be foolish to expect anything intellectually sound from cross worshipers.
@@northernrebel1402 using their logic, you can substantiate such idiotic claims such as: if Christianity is true, then why are there much more non-christian or non believers who are more into scientific fields that are world leading and are more complex? not to mention, their boasting about how huge they are in numbers and popularity is hilarious considering paul said "God made the foolish the wisdom of the world" if christianity is the world leading religion, then I guess that shows this statement to be true in accordance to them.
@@theactualuser This is true bro. I told him the cold hard truth that he couldn’t counter. I told him the so called Christian world flourished because of liberalism and secularism, not because of Christianity. When the churches had full authority, the Christian world ended up in the dark ages followed by the Crusades. It was only after they embraced secularism that they were able to enter the Renaissance era. So all the scientific and intellectual accomplishments in the Christian world were because of liberalism and secularism, not because of Christianity.
@@northernrebel1402 Funny how Christianity was everything that was "barbaric" when it comes to being violent and the way they claim/complain Islam is like. The peak of their religion had violent crusades, all the laws that they say are from the devil when Islam shows similar laws; laws that are much more sensible and understandable in comparision to the meatheads the christians were when christianity was at its peak.
Do you blame him?? Let the pastor speak to shayk uthman and he will be intellectually and religiously annahilated. What will jideon believe in once he sees the falsehood In Christianity.
Most of these Muslims debates are a complete waste of time. Sheikh Uthman wasted almost an hour just arguing what to debate on. Jidion and Sneako already decided what to debate on why is he still arguing???
Thank you for the great debate gain alot of knowledge debating regarding the field/ground of the venue; the existence/ the structure/ the material/ the size/ the durability of both goal post. before the actual football match
What a waste of time talking to Jidion, he is being petty and protecting the pastor that will just get completely humiliated. Jidion's insecurities have been exposed and we can see ut clearly. He is just another sheep within Christianity, no logical thought just blind belief 😂😂😂
1:04:47 making the excuse that you’re are a “baby christian” is just completely absurd. you heard a little thing or two from a pastor and go around saying you can challenge any muslim with it when you’re ignorant to the topic yourself. then you were given many opportunities to tag in a friend to support you since you are a “baby christian” but you dodged every chance possible. don’t get into the kitchen if you can’t take the heat my brother.
a debate isnt a heated debate, its when 2 sides can come to a common ground/understanding, but going in a circle because you feel victimized doesnt benefit either side.
What a pointless offer for a debate. We don't believe in the bible, whether it references the prophet (pbuh) or not, is completely irrelevant and pointless.
this is not how debating works, You can't tell the other person what he can't or can say and use. If your debating about God everything is on the table. Jidion needs to learn how to debate smh
Bro I have finished 48 minutes so far of this debate and I still got no fucking idea of what they’re debating about because of jidion yapping and crying
spoiler!!!!!!! it doesn't because of this "stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation"
jidion is not an expert or someone who studied and followed the religion for a long this was clearly a setup by Sneako who knows nothing about the Muslim religion himself so he when and got someone to debate for him
I was at 10 minutes like ok their tryna figure out the stipulations, accidentally skipped to 45 minutes, and jidiom saying Toy Story 1 came out to Toy Story 2 😂
Jidion this ain’t the way. When he said “this what all Muslims need to do” I lost him. He gone man. And it’s just his pride. It’s okay not to be there yet, you need more knowledge it’s okay. There’s an honest good argument relax.
This could be easily fixed just with two answers. Jidion: Why is ...... Sheikh: It is wrong. Jidion: why? Sheikh: because it is not what god said, the bible was written by men. Jidion: no its not (now the real debate starts)
This made me feel sick jidion man...i used to luv warching is content the hala pranks however hes jow delusional i hope Allah swt guids him in the right direction ❤
everyone saying bad about Jidion but i would let you know that he gave up many bad deeds and devoted his life to his religion and that's a very respectable thing so don't demotivate him just bcz he is defending his religion and we should praise him to even talk about his beleifs and discuss other religions.
@@Aman-uk6cs i am saying that instead of criticizing jidion, criticize his points and give logical reasoning, saying he is yapping doesn't constitute to anything
What's wrong with this guy? First I thought he's just being defensive. But now I think his posture is actually hostile and not limited to simply being defensive :s
Very dishonest from Sneako to mainly just care about views and following what Uthman says, he knew he was wrong and kept finding excuses. Sneako went back on what he said which is very unprofessional
He didn't mean he wanted views when he said it would be interesting. He meant it would be thought-provoking, potentially leading to introspection and perhaps even conversion to Islam.
Why is jidion being so sensitive and defensive?? Look at those two Muslims chilling and observing then giving actual answers and asking rational questions
Ive heard opinions that jidion is a plant and he was somehow associated with some jew (i forgot). Seems likely when the dude doesnt know shit about christianity and he deleted his channel for it
For Christians Faith is the centre of their beliefs, therefore you will find beliefs that seem fundamentally irrational. But we must understand God is intentionally Irrational in things, otherwise Faith wouldn’t exist. So to all my Muslims, peace and love, but we can’t have a debate with rational thinking over a topic that is faith based. Rational is subject to God!
First, Muslims do not prostrate to the Black Stone. They prostrate towards the Kaaba, the same temple of Solomon for the Jews. We believe that a person's hands and feet will bear witness to his sins on the Day of Resurrection. There is no problem if the Black Stone bears witness on the Day of Resurrection (if this hadith is authentic). It is a miracle that will happen on the Day of Resurrection. Neither the Black Stone nor the Kaaba are harmful or beneficial in and of themselves
If Muslims worshiped stones, they would not have stood above the Kaaba. No person who worships an idol would stand above it. They were supposed to seek harm and benefit from the Kaaba or the Black Stone, like the pagans with their idols, and this did not happen. The Kaaba is the house of God on earth, and the Black Stone is one of the stones of Paradise. They do not harm or benefit themselves.
Why do the prophets pray to God Almighty just like Muslims?! 😳 Abraham peace be upon him Abram fell face down and God said to him: for my part, here is my covenant with you you are to become the father of a multitude of nations genesis 17:3 Moses and Aaron peace be upon them But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and cried out, “O God, the God who gives breath to all living things, will you be angry with the entire assembly when only one man sins joshua peace be upon him And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped Joshua 5:14 Jesus peace be upon him After walking a little farther away from them, Jesus fell to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, do not give me this cup of suffering. But do what you want, not what I want. matthew 26:39 Even the angels, peace be upon them, in heaven worship God Almighty in this way! And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God revelation 7:11 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
they both ran from God logic and they try to argue invalid points just to keep the conversation from going in a direction that proves them wrong Sneako is that one kid runs around saying he don’t know. Nothing my dad stronger than your dad.😂😂
Most of these Muslims debates are a complete waste of time. Sheikh Uthman wasted almost an hour just arguing what to debate on. Jidion and Sneako already decided what to debate on why is he still arguing???
Jidion only Been a studying Christian for not even a year why would he be ready for any debate leave this to apologist like Sam shouman and godlogic who already schooled uthman . Uthman couldn’t even get past the argument debate he had with Anthony and David wood .
When i see christian vs muslim debates, islam starts to make alot of sense, my problem with Christianity.. actually i have alot but the main one is the Trinity, how is a man a god, Holy Trinity is roman pagan belief, romans crucified jesus then say hes god???... My problem with islam is mecca itself, muslims used to pray in a different direction so how did Abraham and everyone set foot in a place that didn't exist yet. Seems both have been "tainted"
@@mdb4523 evidence shows mosques used to point towards Petra Jordan, and geographically the described center of Islam matches Petra better than mecca just a desert.
@@Lobo-Perez source?, In early Islam and previous (Abraham) religions , the Qibla (directions of prayers) was definitely towards Jerusalem. Many Muslims were praying and wished to change it, in order to differ Islam from previous religions. And after such prayers , Once Allah ordered to change the direction , (the directions were totally opposite) , also The prophet and Muslims were in prayer, when this order came. The Prophet (ﷺ) prayed facing Bait-ulMaqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) for sixteen or seventeen months but he wished that his Qibla would be the Ka`ba (at Mecca). (So Allah Revealed (2.144) and he offered `Asr prayers(in his Mosque facing Ka`ba at Mecca) and some people prayed with him. A man from among those who had prayed with him, went out and passed by some people offering prayer in another mosque, and they were in the state of bowing. He said, "I, (swearing by Allah,) testify that I have prayed with the Prophet (ﷺ) facing Mecca." Hearing that, they turned their faces to the Ka`ba while they were still bowing. Some men had died before the Qibla was changed towards the Ka`ba. They had been killed and we did not know what to say about them (i.e. whether their prayers towards Jerusalem were accepted or not). So Allah revealed:-- "And Allah would never make your faith (i.e. prayer) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered (towards Jerusalem). Truly Allah is Full of Pity, Most Merciful towards mankind." (2.143) Go and Watch the Videos of towards internity the have good content about islam
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Stipulation 🥸🥸🥸
Jidion acting like a crybaby is crazy
He's acting godly, as he should
Debating about what to debate during the debate is crazy 😂😂😂
😂😂das crazyyyy
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well it's a debate either way so mission accomplished.
Why would a Christian refuse to debate whether or not the Bible is the word of God? Because they know Sheikh Uthman will destroy him, and then their points are gone
they know but they chose to just mock and attack islam. thats how it works for them. just throw the bible under the bus and lets attack islam to prove they are right.
Their arguments are becoming more and more childish with each passing day.
Earlier today, I was arguing with this guy under another video who was literally asking me that if Islam is true then why did the Christian world prevail in terms of technology and the Muslim world didn’t. Then he went on to name a few scientists who happened to be Christian.
This is the level of their argument. It would be foolish to expect anything intellectually sound from cross worshipers.
@@northernrebel1402
using their logic, you can substantiate such idiotic claims such as: if Christianity is true, then why are there much more non-christian or non believers who are more into scientific fields that are world leading and are more complex?
not to mention, their boasting about how huge they are in numbers and popularity is hilarious considering paul said "God made the foolish the wisdom of the world" if christianity is the world leading religion, then I guess that shows this statement to be true in accordance to them.
@@theactualuser This is true bro. I told him the cold hard truth that he couldn’t counter. I told him the so called Christian world flourished because of liberalism and secularism, not because of Christianity. When the churches had full authority, the Christian world ended up in the dark ages followed by the Crusades. It was only after they embraced secularism that they were able to enter the Renaissance era. So all the scientific and intellectual accomplishments in the Christian world were because of liberalism and secularism, not because of Christianity.
@@northernrebel1402
Funny how Christianity was everything that was "barbaric" when it comes to being violent and the way they claim/complain Islam is like. The peak of their religion had violent crusades, all the laws that they say are from the devil when Islam shows similar laws; laws that are much more sensible and understandable in comparision to the meatheads the christians were when christianity was at its peak.
2 hours of jidion gate keeping his pastor
😂😂😂
Sad
Do you blame him?? Let the pastor speak to shayk uthman and he will be intellectually and religiously annahilated. What will jideon believe in once he sees the falsehood In Christianity.
@@EeLyos who wrote the quran?
@@vainl4703 After the Prophet's death, his successors compiled these divine revelations in a manuscript.
I can't believe I listened to 1 hour of STIPULATIONS 💀
this is actually just 1 hour of jidion yapping
This debate was a complete waste of time because of Jidion … save yourself 90 mins and don’t watch it 👎🏾
Most of these Muslims debates are a complete waste of time. Sheikh Uthman wasted almost an hour just arguing what to debate on. Jidion and Sneako already decided what to debate on why is he still arguing???
@@abduleve8688nope, you are an absolute joke, Jideon was gatekeeping his pastor he felt pressed and all your faiths were shaken
@@abduleve8688don't be ignorant, it's logical to know that if the Bible is even the word of God
@@syed.hidayath Thats not the point, Muslims need to stop wasting time
@@abduleve8688what’s a waste of time is pretending the bible is the word of god
Jidion is so defensive because he is very unknowledgeable on the topic of religion,
he picked up a bible translation and is trying to debate interfaith lol
“I will ANNIHILATE any Muslim” proceeds to run away from debate then blocking he's so called friend 😂 what a coward
When Shaykh Uthman says "i got you" all i hear is "finish him" (mortal combat voice)
lol Uthman is a legend. I would never waste my time on people who used to do pranks and stupid shit.
This is a stupid take. You do know the sahabah were some of the worst people before they came into Islam. Its never a waste of time
@@canonogicexactly
@@canonogic you do make a good point in saying that anyone can become some of the greatest Muslims.
Bro the "God is jewish" part had me dying lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This Christian is already scare before the debate begin 😂😂😂😂
You all scared of Sam shamoun and Christian prince debate me let’s go Islam is a lie
@@smith46695What about it is a lie then
@@abebobby8965everything
@@smith46695Sir, you’re not worth converse with.
Jesus is king 👑
Thank you for the great debate
gain alot of knowledge debating regarding the field/ground of the venue;
the existence/ the structure/ the material/ the size/ the durability of both goal post.
before the actual football match
😂😂
Man is afraid to discuss his own Bible 😂😂😂😂
What a waste of time talking to Jidion, he is being petty and protecting the pastor that will just get completely humiliated. Jidion's insecurities have been exposed and we can see ut clearly. He is just another sheep within Christianity, no logical thought just blind belief 😂😂😂
Leaving TH-cam to go to a faith you don’t know abt is a lil crazy
This jideon guy gave me a literal headache
1:04:47 making the excuse that you’re are a “baby christian” is just completely absurd. you heard a little thing or two from a pastor and go around saying you can challenge any muslim with it when you’re ignorant to the topic yourself. then you were given many opportunities to tag in a friend to support you since you are a “baby christian” but you dodged every chance possible. don’t get into the kitchen if you can’t take the heat my brother.
Jideon made it so clear he can’t debate anything.
how is this an hour and a half debate about starting a debate
Jidion got the Christian starter pack that is “talking but not listening” 😂
I wish somebody gave me a timestamp when they finished their stipulating debate
Please
Take a shot everytime jidion said the word stipulation
Not their heart or eyes will be closed but their hearts
All respect to jidion, he loves using the word stipulation but need to understand that doesn't make sense without proving if bible is word of God
I have a question are you going to keep on doing the Sam shouman series
Inshallah !
Sneako, let’s goooo. May Allah (SWT) rewards your trip to Mecca and many more to come, Ameen👊🏾
May Allah bless you
Ameen Wa iyyakum ❤
Allahumma amin 🤲🏿
May Jesus Christ bless you and that demon
@@drama1er1 why do you even have to say that, are you in denial that shaikh Uthman can destroy any pastor??
a debate isnt a heated debate, its when 2 sides can come to a common ground/understanding, but going in a circle because you feel victimized doesnt benefit either side.
What a pointless offer for a debate. We don't believe in the bible, whether it references the prophet (pbuh) or not, is completely irrelevant and pointless.
Thank you so much
You're most welcome
how many times did the word "stipulation" get said in this video
Jidion reminds me of Piers Morgan with how much he interupts people when they are speaking
This is crazy guys come on
Never debate with a guy wearing red booty shorts and Ronald McDonald's shoes
this is not how debating works, You can't tell the other person what he can't or can say and use. If your debating about God everything is on the table. Jidion needs to learn how to debate smh
Jidion disconnected his ethernet and then said discord isnt working 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 lmao
Alternate title: JiDion interrupting everyone for 1 hour and 32 minutes.
debating about debating
what was his channel about? The way he argues and not understands logical arguments I assume it was prankster or a gaming channel?
Bro I have finished 48 minutes so far of this debate and I still got no fucking idea of what they’re debating about because of jidion yapping and crying
Bro wearing underwear as if Jeshua talked to public in this manner. But he barking about home invitations😂
Mentally challenged conversation
Jidions Bible and Old Testament/New Testament is as truthful as his hairline he hides 💀🤣
Subhanallah
48:06 was so childish of Jidion, this part is just a sample of what he did the whole entire time.
Guy left the dunya for the hellfire
when does the debate start?
spoiler!!!!!!! it doesn't because of this "stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation.stipulation"
Jidion be like “ I don’t wanna be disrespectful “ continues to talk over Sheikh and sneako!
Jidion has never been so annoying
Christian adab (mannerisms) at its finest 👌
😂😂
Maybe the reason why the people abandoned it 😂
jidion is not an expert or someone who studied and followed the religion for a long this was clearly a setup by Sneako who knows nothing about the Muslim religion himself so he when and got someone to debate for him
I was at 10 minutes like ok their tryna figure out the stipulations, accidentally skipped to 45 minutes, and jidiom saying Toy Story 1 came out to Toy Story 2 😂
Just because you challenged sneako first doesn’t mean you get the ball first !
Jidion this ain’t the way. When he said “this what all Muslims need to do” I lost him. He gone man. And it’s just his pride. It’s okay not to be there yet, you need more knowledge it’s okay. There’s an honest good argument relax.
Well at this point they are trying to debate in the cell by 2x2 mm so that they won't be annihilated by their own faith
I would like to debate Uthamn ngl he is so funny in Islam community
Real men of god can talk to anyone and be able to let someone talk. This is nothing but yapping that gets nowhere 🙏🏽🚮
This could be easily fixed just with two answers.
Jidion: Why is ......
Sheikh: It is wrong.
Jidion: why?
Sheikh: because it is not what god said, the bible was written by men.
Jidion: no its not (now the real debate starts)
This Jidion brother has a viscious feminine energy.
Lol what is wrong with jidion he was so nervous this whole interview very hesitant and refusing to think logically
This made me feel sick jidion man...i used to luv warching is content the hala pranks however hes jow delusional i hope Allah swt guids him in the right direction ❤
shayhk talking about water, jidion “why are we talking about the bible”
Mans could have spent some quality time with his own kids but he's stuck with these 2 other children. What a waste of time
30:48 we can't eat your food because its poisoned! audhubillah!
everyone saying bad about Jidion but i would let you know that he gave up many bad deeds and devoted his life to his religion and that's a very respectable thing so don't demotivate him just bcz he is defending his religion and we should praise him to even talk about his beleifs and discuss other religions.
True sneko can't defend himself he needs someone on his behalf to debate but calls himself a Muslim lol😂
His change in life has nothing to do with the yapping in this stream
@@Aman-uk6cs i am saying that instead of criticizing jidion, criticize his points and give logical reasoning, saying he is yapping doesn't constitute to anything
JiDion will accept Islam in my opinion
What's wrong with this guy?
First I thought he's just being defensive.
But now I think his posture is actually hostile and not limited to simply being defensive :s
Why Christians are afraid of debating "is bible word of God" Jeremiah 8:8 Because of those the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?
If beating around the bush is a person it would be Jidion!😂🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
Very dishonest from Sneako to mainly just care about views and following what Uthman says, he knew he was wrong and kept finding excuses. Sneako went back on what he said which is very unprofessional
He didn't mean he wanted views when he said it would be interesting. He meant it would be thought-provoking, potentially leading to introspection and perhaps even conversion to Islam.
Uthman is a pro of talking in circles about nothing. He’s always trying to spend the narrative.
I think you are talking about almost every Christian 😂
@@vide-yo3336 facts
Hi brother Josh
Jidion defensive for no reason😅
Why is jidion being so sensitive and defensive?? Look at those two Muslims chilling and observing then giving actual answers and asking rational questions
Ive heard opinions that jidion is a plant and he was somehow associated with some jew (i forgot). Seems likely when the dude doesnt know shit about christianity and he deleted his channel for it
For Christians Faith is the centre of their beliefs, therefore you will find beliefs that seem fundamentally irrational. But we must understand God is intentionally Irrational in things, otherwise Faith wouldn’t exist. So to all my Muslims, peace and love, but we can’t have a debate with rational thinking over a topic that is faith based. Rational is subject to God!
Bro respect sheikh uthman he was the only asked to speak
Spoiler they never get to the debate
best spoiler evr
Salaam my Brothers i can't with this guy Jidion😂
Dude sneako is not just a muslim for fame and views honestly and it’s sad
Sneako has learned the Muslim Shuffle 😂😂😂
How much and who payed Jidion to embarese himself 😂
I wish somebody would pay for me and my family to mecca medina
Jidion is so ignorant he screams and act so childish I didn’t know this
PRAYING TO ONE GOD AND BOWING DOWN TO THE BLACK STONE THAT WILL END UP TO HAVE EYES AND MOUTH TO FORGIVE EVERY BLACK STONE IDOL WORSHIPPER ,
First, Muslims do not prostrate to the Black Stone. They prostrate towards the Kaaba, the same temple of Solomon for the Jews.
We believe that a person's hands and feet will bear witness to his sins on the Day of Resurrection. There is no problem if the Black Stone bears witness on the Day of Resurrection (if this hadith is authentic). It is a miracle that will happen on the Day of Resurrection.
Neither the Black Stone nor the Kaaba are harmful or beneficial in and of themselves
If Muslims worshiped stones, they would not have stood above the Kaaba. No person who worships an idol would stand above it.
They were supposed to seek harm and benefit from the Kaaba or the Black Stone, like the pagans with their idols, and this did not happen.
The Kaaba is the house of God on earth, and the Black Stone is one of the stones of Paradise. They do not harm or benefit themselves.
Why do the prophets pray to God Almighty just like Muslims?! 😳
Abraham peace be upon him
Abram fell face down and God said to him: for my part, here is my covenant with you you are to become the father of a multitude of nations
genesis 17:3
Moses and Aaron peace be upon them
But Moses and Aaron fell facedown and cried out, “O God, the God who gives breath to all living things, will you be angry with the entire assembly when only one man sins
joshua peace be upon him
And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped
Joshua 5:14
Jesus peace be upon him
After walking a little farther away from them, Jesus fell to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, do not give me this cup of suffering. But do what you want, not what I want.
matthew 26:39
Even the angels, peace be upon them, in heaven worship God Almighty in this way!
And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God
revelation 7:11
,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
they both ran from God logic and they try to argue invalid points just to keep the conversation from going in a direction that proves them wrong Sneako is that one kid runs around saying he don’t know. Nothing my dad stronger than your dad.😂😂
W cope god logic said god has a god hamaz owns him
Let your Pastor come on
Wrong words Jidion....🤔
PUT YOUR PASTOR ON
no, he fell asleep.
Such a Hard Watch that jideon guy is literally interrupting him ever time
Jidion offer sounds very very reasonable. You accept ours then we do yours.
Doesn’t make any sense if the bible has contradictions
Its chronological
wait so what is the stipulation 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sneako is such a sideman, if andrew tate turned lesbian so would he
Jidon has made the challenge, just accept or not jeez
Most of these Muslims debates are a complete waste of time. Sheikh Uthman wasted almost an hour just arguing what to debate on. Jidion and Sneako already decided what to debate on why is he still arguing???
Jidion is not a educated Christian he has no theology or church history knowledge not a good debate
Why’s man buying time
His waiting for Jesus to come in his room
Jidion only
Been a studying Christian for not even a year why would he be ready for any debate leave this to apologist like Sam shouman and godlogic who already schooled uthman . Uthman couldn’t even get past the argument debate he had with Anthony and David wood .
Thats why they were telling jidion to bring his pastor in, but his pastor wouldnt come in, no ones blaming jidion, they are blaming his pastor.
When i see christian vs muslim debates, islam starts to make alot of sense, my problem with Christianity.. actually i have alot but the main one is the Trinity, how is a man a god, Holy Trinity is roman pagan belief, romans crucified jesus then say hes god???... My problem with islam is mecca itself, muslims used to pray in a different direction so how did Abraham and everyone set foot in a place that didn't exist yet. Seems both have been "tainted"
Can you Explain your Point about islam?
Muslims prayed to Jerusalem.
mekka and the kaba was allready there, but the idolaters used the Place, till the Muslims Took the kaba back
@@mdb4523 evidence shows mosques used to point towards Petra Jordan, and geographically the described center of Islam matches Petra better than mecca just a desert.
@@Lobo-Perez source?, In early Islam and previous (Abraham) religions , the Qibla (directions of prayers) was definitely towards Jerusalem. Many Muslims were praying and wished to change it, in order to differ Islam from previous religions. And after such prayers , Once Allah ordered to change the direction , (the directions were totally opposite) , also The prophet and Muslims were in prayer, when this order came.
The Prophet (ﷺ) prayed facing Bait-ulMaqdis (i.e. Jerusalem) for sixteen or seventeen months but he wished that his Qibla would be the Ka`ba (at Mecca). (So Allah Revealed (2.144) and he offered `Asr prayers(in his Mosque facing Ka`ba at Mecca) and some people prayed with him. A man from among those who had prayed with him, went out and passed by some people offering prayer in another mosque, and they were in the state of bowing. He said, "I, (swearing by Allah,) testify that I have prayed with the Prophet (ﷺ) facing Mecca." Hearing that, they turned their faces to the Ka`ba while they were still bowing. Some men had died before the Qibla was changed towards the Ka`ba. They had been killed and we did not know what to say about them (i.e. whether their prayers towards Jerusalem were accepted or not). So Allah revealed:-- "And Allah would never make your faith (i.e. prayer) to be lost (i.e. your prayers offered (towards Jerusalem). Truly Allah is Full of Pity, Most Merciful towards mankind." (2.143)
Go and Watch the Videos of towards internity the have good content about islam
@@Lobo-Perez if you are interesstwd in islam, Watch the Videos of the Channel: Towards internity
GET OFF AND PUT THE PASTOR ON 🤣