Pollie had a rare off day, do not disregard him, he is still the best in the world. I am a Stormer and a huge Libbok fan and I would still select Pollie over Manie at this point.
Thank you Jordan. It would be good for you to link up with Tim from Eggchasers again and make a video. You two are great together. Have some fun in the sun in Durban and have a nice debonned mutton bunny chow. Interesting times ahead with the new playing style. Our kicker whoever he is must get most penalties over.
If only there was a 22 year old generational talent 😂 that kicked like prime Pollard and had playmaking on par with Mannie Libbok.... That would be Sacha great luxury to have 😢
I think Springboks could put a spin on their game...first half new style...second half mix of new and old...bring Pollard in second half to save if we are lagging to save us maybe with his excellent drop kicks or penalty kicks...every player in the pack brings a special skill and play an integral part in this team...but ja...just an idea in order for our opponents not to be able to get a good read on us.
That’s actually pretty genius … I like where you’re going with this. As long as we can convert those attacks into points in the first half. Would be frustrating kicking for touch every time we get a penalty and potentially lose several 3 point conversion attempts. But yah so many ways to skin a cat but this idea is good. We have depth and so many different skill sets so we have the luxury to concoct a nice complex formula
@@RozWentworth Absolutely Nailed it,thats what I would like to see.I think the Boks will beat IRELAND more vincingly with 12 to 16 points over Ireland💪💪👌👌
Pollard won't be dropped, because they would rather coach him to attack and still have the kicking accuracy of him. Good to see a different style, and the mix of the defence game and the new attack game will be able to provide more chances for the midfield and wings.
I am a Manie fan, but also think Polly has the skills and deserves time to settle into the new system. I would try Manie in Portugal game and maybe Argentina.
Truthfully, Libbok is the better running attacking flyhalf. A goal kicker at fullback or wing is also needed on the team. Could playing Pollard or Sasha at fullback work?
100% Pollard is still the man, look even Faf picks up from the ruck and runs forward before offloading more he didn’t use to do that as much. This is Pollard’s first test back since the WC he will be abit fatigued and rusty but he is still in the team either 15 or 23.
Not sure I’d be willing to part with Damian Willemse as our go to fullback yet. He’s my favourite backline player. Unless Sasha can become de Allende’s successor . Not sure de Allende will make the WC
@@christophernormann2009 that 12 position is very competitive, Sacha can definitely take over that position. There's Hooker too coming for that 12 jersey
Other than his goal kicking, Pollard wasn't bad, a simple posture adjustment and he'll be slotting them through. Although many say Libbok is better suited for this type of play, I think it's work in progress and it's too early to say, hence why it's the same squad selection for the Durban test. Remember when Rassie selected the squad that the fans wanted, can't remember who they played but they didn't perform well. I'm just going to trust the coaching staff that they know what they doing. Boks need to patch a few things up and they should've had a bigger lead in the first half. The 2 teams are so close on paper and I think it will come down to who's got the better boot on the day. It's going to be a tough test and then we will see all the newbies get their chance to shine against Portugal and Sacha is definately on the cards to be the next upcomming No10 for the Boks.
It was only the first game since the World Cup, it is still early with new coaching staff. Let's give everyone a fair chance to adapt to new systems. Handre Pollard is the best fly half, but we need to new fly half's to start gaining international experience. I think we should just trust our coaches 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Pollard has a good attacking game. Just go look back when he played U20. He played according to the game plane the Boks wanted/needed. Pollard will slot back into his original attacking game plan like he did in the U20 team
I think pollard passed the ball well, attacked the line and made strong tackles. He not just a good kicker. Maybe manie is better but handre can definitely attack when he is asked to.
Oh Libbok😮. In the urc , could have been close if he scored the kicks. His kicks are tearable, honest that's his down fall, he might miss 2027 World due to that reason
Definitely, Pollard is still an excellent option. Although I would like to see Manie see more opportunities for development, though we need the Ireland win, hence rassie being conservative. We will have plenty of opportunities to see manie , jordan ,Sasha, Siya play at 10.
Pollard was good man! Look at the tactics lol it’s the 1st game “ there was a lot of dummy runs made by pollard “ have a look at the pod system they where playing
I was thinking about this question and said to my self lets see in Durban. I came to the conclusion that we need Handre in the game but why not get a "bomb squad" replacement for him. The first name that came to mind is Johan Goosen excellent attacking player and good goal kicker. Manie is definitely a option but kicking is letting him down. Or maybe move Handre to 12 in last 20 min and above mentioned to 10 then kicking game is still covered.
If our style of play is attack through spreading the ball over kicking then Grant and Manie should be starting, if we want the best of both then Sacha is our best bet but it's still too early for him plus he is not even playing 10 at his Union. I still feel Roos at 8, Grant at 9 and Manie at 10 with a 5/3 bench split would have been perfect. Kwagga is great but his best position is 6 or coming off the bench with Faf, Pollard and Sacha completing the bench but Rassie knows best and in him we trust!
This is not about kicking to poles.. It is about the running game. Overall Handre Pollard is still the better 10 but if we solely focus on running rugby Manie is the better fit
Everybody's kinda silent on Pollard's mediocre performance against Ireland, playing and kicking. Libbok has already proven himself as an attacking flyhalf. And if his kicking remains to be a problem, the new talent Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu on inside centre can take the pressure off Libbok. Manie has already proven himself as an excellent attacking flyhalf.
When it comes to moving the ball around Willemse and libbok and Feiberg is better than Pollard . But he does have experiance . His 🦶 ng will be better this week
Pollard missed ,9 tackles in the Worldcup knock out game against France. The past Saterday when Irish winger scored the dissalowed try. He came across to try and tackle the wing but was just to slow. No ways that wing would have scored with Damian Willmse in the same position
Imagine the havok this backline will cause under Toney Brown ,9. Grant Williams. 10 Cheslyn Kolby 12 Damian Willemse 13 Jessy Kriel. 14. Curtly Arendse 15 Feinberg Mgomozulu
Russie’s a genius’s he could have picked libbok for this test but he didn’t because Handre is our number one fly half yes libbok is flashy and looks really strong in attack but there is just something special about Handre just the way he plays the game he’s just so consistent of the tee and in game management like he almost never makes the wrong call with ball in hand and I truly believe Tony brown and russie perfer Handre over all the other guys that’s why they chose him for this test because they want him to learn this game style so he can adapt and lmaybe just unlock some form of attacking rugby we all think he doesn’t have
Jordan, this is your opinion, Pollard has not made any mistake in running the Ball. There has been a huge amount of Kicking which can still be eliminated.
If Pollard can’t sort out his kicking then I’m not sure he’s a great contributor to the team. In that event other players should be considered instead like Manie or Sasha. Manie’s inconsistent kicking is still worrying though.
Jordan with no disrespect if you know your rugby Pollard has always been a attacking flyhalf and thats how he used to play.He then changed and played to the new bok gameplan .Please understand that Pollard has a allround game and is big and can play a direct attacking game drawing in defenders .Secondly if you understand rugby at all a great flyhalf is not just good when his pack is going forward. Pollard can control the game even if his pack is going backwards. Plus he is a strong defender .Lastly i like your channel but at least make statements that are true , to say sacha is bigger is a lie , Pollard is 2 kgs heavier and also slightly taller , yeah maybe he is a bit quicker .Lastly Pollard is only 30 years old so he will be 33 when the next world cup comes along .This man has won 1 under 20 world cup and played in 3 world cups for the bok team winning 2and in a narrow 20 point to 18 loss against Nz of which he kicked 15 of the 18 points .He was the player of the under 21 tournament and the top points scorer in the 2019 world cup .He never missed 1 kick out of all the games in 2023 world cup .Please don't tell me you think Rassie would not play Pollard ahead of all the other flyhalf options when the man has a track record like that and is injury free .Also you talking last week about playing Evan Roos ahead of Kwagga is a bit silly .Jasper when back from suspension will start and Kwagga will come off the bench .Evan is a great player but has discipline issues and tries to do to much by himself. Rassie chooses players who put the team first .And i may be wrong but when Cameron Hanekom has recovered from his injury,Rassie may blood him to be the next number 8 .
Pollard is Mr Reliable on both sides of the ball, Libbok is proven unreliable. The others need to be tested under true pressure of contested test rugby, this start of a new world cup cycle is the time to do it now that Ireland has been fronted up to by the experienced squad. I think Faf comes into the question equation as soon as you base the game around less kicking. You don't need experienced kicking pivots at both 9 and 10 to anchor around.
What kind of a question re you asking about Pollard? He is the most complete flyhalf, he missed a few kicks and after a single game you start asking these questions!? Do I need to remind you of his attacking play? He is far more than only a kicker. We have wonderful young players and they will get there chance, but chopping and changing after one match? No.
Keep Handre in the team. He is our go to guy. He will reinvent himself and can still do the kicking. No need to panic. Don't try to re-invent the wheel . I would suggest keeping emotions out of the discussion. Regards gents. Go Bokke!
Mate I am concerned that a kiwi is gonna try make the Boks play kiwi rugby island style , the kiwis haven’t won a RWC since I can remember we are ranked number one in the world why do we need to make big changes ? 😮 Sure I understand to stay top dog Rassie needs to keep ahead of the pack but to change what has worked for us , isn’t that a gamble ? Has Rassie run out of ideas ? Is it because SA is breeding world class wingers left right and centre and it’s wise to use them as a weapon ,combine them with our forwards so that they start dominating world rugby if so RWC ,s or also in between RWC,s ? Lots to think about ! 😮😂
Fair point, but it makes sense to continue playing the same way to gain some consistency and get sharper ahead of the Rugby Championship. We all saw that the new system needs a few more tweaks, but knowing Rassie, we may just revert to our old style of play to confuse the enemy and keep em on their toes wondering what's next. Guess we'll see on Saturday.
@@mag101able I don't think the shark tank lends itself well to that style of game. Also I think Rassie wants to send a message that not only does he have the depth in terms of selection, but he can also pick the same exact team and play a totally different game style two games in a row. If they pull it off, the rest of the rugby world will have a hard time preparing for a springbok game
What? You kiddin me?? No Pollard, no WC semi final or WC final win, remember!! No trophy! He is very much dependable. This was the 1st game together, give the man a break!
Absolute nonsense this man won us the u 21 world cup plus 2019 world cup and thanks to him the 2023 world cup .Manie is a great player and it has nothing to do with race .If we played Manie in the england and Nz game we wouldn't be world champions. Manie is going to have his work cut out when Pollard finally retires which won't be soon cause he is only 30.When this eventually does happen he will have to compete with Sacha who is a attacking player and also a brilliant kicker .So please don't come here with the race issue .
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Pollie had a rare off day, do not disregard him, he is still the best in the world. I am a Stormer and a huge Libbok fan and I would still select Pollie over Manie at this point.
Thank you Jordan. It would be good for you to link up with Tim from Eggchasers again and make a video. You two are great together. Have some fun in the sun in Durban and have a nice debonned mutton bunny chow. Interesting times ahead with the new playing style. Our kicker whoever he is must get most penalties over.
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You sound gay
We need Libbok back in the game. What will happen to Sacha and Willie once Willemse is back?
If only there was a 22 year old generational talent 😂 that kicked like prime Pollard and had playmaking on par with Mannie Libbok.... That would be Sacha great luxury to have 😢
his got the skills and speed but his pass still isn't as good as libboks and his touch finders
I think Springboks could put a spin on their game...first half new style...second half mix of new and old...bring Pollard in second half to save if we are lagging to save us maybe with his excellent drop kicks or penalty kicks...every player in the pack brings a special skill and play an integral part in this team...but ja...just an idea in order for our opponents not to be able to get a good read on us.
That’s actually pretty genius … I like where you’re going with this. As long as we can convert those attacks into points in the first half. Would be frustrating kicking for touch every time we get a penalty and potentially lose several 3 point conversion attempts. But yah so many ways to skin a cat but this idea is good. We have depth and so many different skill sets so we have the luxury to concoct a nice complex formula
Okay, put the half n half on
@@RozWentworth Absolutely Nailed it,thats what I would like to see.I think the Boks will beat IRELAND more vincingly with 12 to 16 points over Ireland💪💪👌👌
Ice Man , never a doubt!! however I'm curious to see Manie's game under Tony just hoping he's kicking can improve.
Andre Pollard (he missed the H on Sat), is our number 1 flyhalf... Manie Lib has slipped down the pecking order. 🏉
I hear how “unfair” the Pollard v Libbok is but Pollard has earned it. I think he’s earned at very least an opportunity to adapt
Pollard won't be dropped, because they would rather coach him to attack and still have the kicking accuracy of him. Good to see a different style, and the mix of the defence game and the new attack game will be able to provide more chances for the midfield and wings.
I am a Manie fan, but also think Polly has the skills and deserves time to settle into the new system. I would try Manie in Portugal game and maybe Argentina.
Truthfully, Libbok is the better running attacking flyhalf. A goal kicker at fullback or wing is also needed on the team. Could playing Pollard or Sasha at fullback work?
Libbok is more suited to Browns way of attacking. Pollard was just rusty is all
100% Pollard is still the man, look even Faf picks up from the ruck and runs forward before offloading more he didn’t use to do that as much. This is Pollard’s first test back since the WC he will be abit fatigued and rusty but he is still in the team either 15 or 23.
Manie still remains our best fly half
This would suit Libbok so much better. Only problem is kicking 🤦🏻♂️. If Sacha-FM plays 15 we’re sorted. But yeah tough predicament.
Not sure I’d be willing to part with Damian Willemse as our go to fullback yet. He’s my favourite backline player. Unless Sasha can become de Allende’s successor . Not sure de Allende will make the WC
But yes 100% agree we need Libbok back
@@christophernormann2009 that 12 position is very competitive, Sacha can definitely take over that position. There's Hooker too coming for that 12 jersey
Yes Lubbock my first choice but his kicking can get us in trouble!!!
Other than his goal kicking, Pollard wasn't bad, a simple posture adjustment and he'll be slotting them through. Although many say Libbok is better suited for this type of play, I think it's work in progress and it's too early to say, hence why it's the same squad selection for the Durban test.
Remember when Rassie selected the squad that the fans wanted, can't remember who they played but they didn't perform well. I'm just going to trust the coaching staff that they know what they doing. Boks need to patch a few things up and they should've had a bigger lead in the first half. The 2 teams are so close on paper and I think it will come down to who's got the better boot on the day. It's going to be a tough test and then we will see all the newbies get their chance to shine against Portugal and Sacha is definately on the cards to be the next upcomming No10 for the Boks.
It was only the first game since the World Cup, it is still early with new coaching staff. Let's give everyone a fair chance to adapt to new systems. Handre Pollard is the best fly half, but we need to new fly half's to start gaining international experience. I think we should just trust our coaches 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Pollard has a good attacking game. Just go look back when he played U20. He played according to the game plane the Boks wanted/needed. Pollard will slot back into his original attacking game plan like he did in the U20 team
Well Brown said he wants to bring back the old Pollard, so yes Pollard will probably work in this new system... If he gets back his mojo.
I think pollard passed the ball well, attacked the line and made strong tackles.
He not just a good kicker.
Maybe manie is better but handre can definitely attack when he is asked to.
Howzit Jordan, thanks for a great channel. Living in Poland I don't get much chance to see live Rugby, you are a life saver. Go well mate
I say start Libbok at 10 and Feinberg-Mngomezulu at 15 against Portugal. Two playmakers and let them share the kicking responsibilities in that game
Remember that Libbok kicking has gotten much better this season with the Stormers. Libbok gives us so much more opportunities to score tries.
Oh Libbok😮. In the urc , could have been close if he scored the kicks.
His kicks are tearable, honest that's his down fall, he might miss 2027 World due to that reason
@@nkululekomagrangqa8050Manie days are numbered... he is just Lib now... 😊🏉
@@user-sd5xe5dz2t what u mean his days are numbered?. u think he will totally will be out of the Team?
Definitely, Pollard is still an excellent option. Although I would like to see Manie see more opportunities for development, though we need the Ireland win, hence rassie being conservative. We will have plenty of opportunities to see manie , jordan ,Sasha, Siya play at 10.
Pollard was good man! Look at the tactics lol it’s the 1st game “ there was a lot of dummy runs made by pollard “ have a look at the pod system they where playing
I was thinking about this question and said to my self lets see in Durban. I came to the conclusion that we need Handre in the game but why not get a "bomb squad" replacement for him. The first name that came to mind is Johan Goosen excellent attacking player and good goal kicker. Manie is definitely a option but kicking is letting him down. Or maybe move Handre to 12 in last 20 min and above mentioned to 10 then kicking game is still covered.
If our style of play is attack through spreading the ball over kicking then Grant and Manie should be starting, if we want the best of both then Sacha is our best bet but it's still too early for him plus he is not even playing 10 at his Union. I still feel Roos at 8, Grant at 9 and Manie at 10 with a 5/3 bench split would have been perfect. Kwagga is great but his best position is 6 or coming off the bench with Faf, Pollard and Sacha completing the bench but Rassie knows best and in him we trust!
If U believe in rassie, then shut up
Mannie all the way he made me a rugby fan
Handre Pollard does not have a bad pass. He just dont see the space as well as Feinberg. Or Libbok . But he dies have BMT
This is not about kicking to poles.. It is about the running game.
Overall Handre Pollard is still the better 10 but if we solely focus on running rugby Manie is the better fit
Pollard will come to the party this Saturday 👍
Everybody's kinda silent on Pollard's mediocre performance against Ireland, playing and kicking.
Libbok has already proven himself as an attacking flyhalf. And if his kicking remains to be a problem, the new talent Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu on inside centre can take the pressure off Libbok. Manie has already proven himself as an excellent attacking flyhalf.
Love Sacha but in no universe he starts ahead of De Allende. Damian is arguably the best inside Centre in the world, no chance.
@@mag101ablefb le roux looking slow
When it comes to moving the ball around Willemse and libbok and Feiberg is better than Pollard . But he does have experiance . His 🦶 ng will be better this week
Is Libbok as reliable as Handre in defence ??!!
Well, Handré wasn’t as reliable on Saturday
Think Manie defence is better
Pollard missed ,9 tackles in the Worldcup knock out game against France. The past Saterday when Irish winger scored the dissalowed try. He came across to try and tackle the wing but was just to slow. No ways that wing would have scored with Damian Willmse in the same position
Pollard is not just attack. His defense is just as big a part of 10 ...
Imagine the havok this backline will cause under Toney Brown ,9. Grant Williams. 10 Cheslyn Kolby 12 Damian Willemse 13 Jessy Kriel. 14. Curtly Arendse 15 Feinberg Mgomozulu
And 11 Edwil Van Merwe
Jordan I live in durban and I think you should do Segway with some friends at Moses Mahbida
weird how people liked manie when he was at the bulls
Russie’s a genius’s he could have picked libbok for this test but he didn’t because Handre is our number one fly half yes libbok is flashy and looks really strong in attack but there is just something special about Handre just the way he plays the game he’s just so consistent of the tee and in game management like he almost never makes the wrong call with ball in hand and I truly believe Tony brown and russie perfer Handre over all the other guys that’s why they chose him for this test because they want him to learn this game style so he can adapt and lmaybe just unlock some form of attacking rugby we all think he doesn’t have
Most of the leading flyhalfs in the other big matches were of the boil .
Jordan, this is your opinion, Pollard has not made any mistake in running the Ball. There has been a huge amount of Kicking which can still be eliminated.
If Pollard can’t sort out his kicking then I’m not sure he’s a great contributor to the team. In that event other players should be considered instead like Manie or Sasha. Manie’s inconsistent kicking is still worrying though.
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Libbok, U will have Portugal, it's more Ur level
Jordan with no disrespect if you know your rugby Pollard has always been a attacking flyhalf and thats how he used to play.He then changed and played to the new bok gameplan .Please understand that Pollard has a allround game and is big and can play a direct attacking game drawing in defenders .Secondly if you understand rugby at all a great flyhalf is not just good when his pack is going forward. Pollard can control the game even if his pack is going backwards. Plus he is a strong defender .Lastly i like your channel but at least make statements that are true , to say sacha is bigger is a lie , Pollard is 2 kgs heavier and also slightly taller , yeah maybe he is a bit quicker .Lastly Pollard is only 30 years old so he will be 33 when the next world cup comes along .This man has won 1 under 20 world cup and played in 3 world cups for the bok team winning 2and in a narrow 20 point to 18 loss against Nz of which he kicked 15 of the 18 points .He was the player of the under 21 tournament and the top points scorer in the 2019 world cup .He never missed 1 kick out of all the games in 2023 world cup .Please don't tell me you think Rassie would not play Pollard ahead of all the other flyhalf options when the man has a track record like that and is injury free .Also you talking last week about playing Evan Roos ahead of Kwagga is a bit silly .Jasper when back from suspension will start and Kwagga will come off the bench .Evan is a great player but has discipline issues and tries to do to much by himself. Rassie chooses players who put the team first .And i may be wrong but when Cameron Hanekom has recovered from his injury,Rassie may blood him to be the next number 8 .
pollard is normal and never do a special deed in a game boring
Who is embarrassed now
Pollard is Mr Reliable on both sides of the ball, Libbok is proven unreliable. The others need to be tested under true pressure of contested test rugby, this start of a new world cup cycle is the time to do it now that Ireland has been fronted up to by the experienced squad.
I think Faf comes into the question equation as soon as you base the game around less kicking. You don't need experienced kicking pivots at both 9 and 10 to anchor around.
What kind of a question re you asking about Pollard? He is the most complete flyhalf, he missed a few kicks and after a single game you start asking these questions!? Do I need to remind you of his attacking play? He is far more than only a kicker. We have wonderful young players and they will get there chance, but chopping and changing after one match? No.
Keep Handre in the team. He is our go to guy. He will reinvent himself and can still do the kicking. No need to panic. Don't try to re-invent the wheel . I would suggest keeping emotions out of the discussion. Regards gents. Go Bokke!
Mate I am concerned that a kiwi is gonna try make the Boks play kiwi rugby island style , the kiwis haven’t won a RWC since I can remember we are ranked number one in the world why do we need to make big changes ? 😮 Sure I understand to stay top dog Rassie needs to keep ahead of the pack but to change what has worked for us , isn’t that a gamble ? Has Rassie run out of ideas ? Is it because SA is breeding world class wingers left right and centre and it’s wise to use them as a weapon ,combine them with our forwards so that they start dominating world rugby if so RWC ,s or also in between RWC,s ? Lots to think about ! 😮😂
Isnt Sacha shorter and weighs slightly less?
But I agree i want Sacha to be the guy
Your assumption is that the boks is going to play the exact same game style that they did in the first test, which would be a mistake in my opinion.
Fair point, but it makes sense to continue playing the same way to gain some consistency and get sharper ahead of the Rugby Championship. We all saw that the new system needs a few more tweaks, but knowing Rassie, we may just revert to our old style of play to confuse the enemy and keep em on their toes wondering what's next. Guess we'll see on Saturday.
@@mag101able I don't think the shark tank lends itself well to that style of game. Also I think Rassie wants to send a message that not only does he have the depth in terms of selection, but he can also pick the same exact team and play a totally different game style two games in a row. If they pull it off, the rest of the rugby world will have a hard time preparing for a springbok game
Pollard the best for now please no Libbok
not for this gameplan
@@subbie5498 bull man it wil get pollard 1 or 2 games to get in routine but libbok will never be a reliable kicker.
Wtf is happening?😂 guy has 1 bad game and there are 10 videos about it.
Pollard can't tackle... Let's be honest...
I'd like to see us invest time into Manie, Sasha and Siya for 2027.
Pollard should have been replaced at half time.when was the last time he has had a decisive line break?
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The problem is race. Pollard's kicking has never been dependable.
What? You kiddin me?? No Pollard, no WC semi final or WC final win, remember!! No trophy! He is very much dependable. This was the 1st game together, give the man a break!
Race?🤮🤡
Nope, the thing is, Pollard had an off day kicking. Proving him to be human after all, just like the rest of us.
@@Wildlife_SA.the final should've been easy victory
Absolute nonsense this man won us the u 21 world cup plus 2019 world cup and thanks to him the 2023 world cup .Manie is a great player and it has nothing to do with race .If we played Manie in the england and Nz game we wouldn't be world champions. Manie is going to have his work cut out when Pollard finally retires which won't be soon cause he is only 30.When this eventually does happen he will have to compete with Sacha who is a attacking player and also a brilliant kicker .So please don't come here with the race issue .