I tell my children that it is better to learn from the mistakes of others than to learn from your own. Trouble is, no one wants to talk about their mistakes. Thank you for your humility and for sharing.
If you live in an area where the summers get hot you'll want to paint that tank bright white. When the tank is filled to 80%, during summer months, a darker colored tank could build more pressure and your pressure relief valve could pop off causing vapor loss.
As a matter of fact, my wife and I were just discussing that the other day. We are going to paint it white, add a second 500 gallon tank "white" and surround them with a metallic flame guard painted with faux landscape style painting to blend in. So they don't stand out like a turd in a punch bowl.
@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319 be sure to set the tank on solid blocks also. 4x8x16 inch work best. Keeping the tank elevated allowing air flow reducing premature rust, pitting and corrosion. Do not use wood of any type.
I do have it on a gravel base set atop large cement blocks. A second tank will be added in the future. A metal barrier which will be supported in the ground by metal posts will surround the tanks and painted to blend with the environment. This fence/barrier will have no less than a nine inch space under it to allow air flow so gas fumes to not build up in the compound. Both tanks will be colored white and gravel will extent beyond barrier area. This is to act as a guard from flames IF wildfire should ever get near the homestead again. I have the inspector returning next week to do the final and the gas company coming to install the second tank and fill both of them. All of this will be installed as per CODE etc. Thanks for the input and heads up on the pitting and rusting.
Hey Jerry! I watched this video because I am trying to run a line to a kiln I have to set up. Great info! You did not fail! You were practicing on how to run a gas line! Give yourself room to mess up a bit! I make a lot of ugly pots before I make the good ones!
Thanks! When I had a licensed plumber install propane to my house he failed inspection the first time for the excessive bend he put in the hose. So even the "pros" fail inspection.
Good no know. I did note that though I failed this due to the method of trace line I used (metalic tape) and replaced it with the guage of wire he recommended, a different inspector passed my neighbor's install using Metalic Tape. Go Figure.
unfortunately, you are at the mercy of the inspector and sometimes they don't even know all the rules they just go by what they think.@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319
It's nice you show your failures as well as your successes. Those who have never failed at a project, probably haven't done many. We all have failures. If you learn from them, you haven't really failed. Good luck with the next inspection!
Thank you! I am learning from the mistakes of others. Too old and don’t have time to learn from all my own mistakes. Saw another video where the inspector wanted the 14g wire zip tied to the gas line. So I bought a mess of zip ties from Amazon to do mine although we don’t have gas line inspectors here. So there is at least one inspector even pickier than yours. Thanks again!
That is interesting about zip tied safety wire. What I have read says it should be about 4" above the gas line in case someone is digging (and didn't do a metallic detector test) they will hopefully hit that tape or wire before actually hitting the line. ??? Strange there would be a variation in requirements for safety. Jesus bless.
I'd strongly recommend not using the yellow gas connector you have attached between the first stage regulator and the riser. Replace it with 1/2" coated copper. Regardless, that's a clean install. Looks very professional.
Appreciate the video; getting ready to install a tank to power a back-up generator and wanting to see different set-ups so I know what to do to get my safe and legal. Will have to keep the tracer wire in mind as well as figure out how I'm going to make a trench.
I’m not too far from you- Myrtle Creek area- and I’m gonna install a propane tank and two propane heaters in my home as a back up source of heat. Thanks for the tips!
I locate utilities as a side job and we send a signal over the trace wire and then locate that signal. That metallic foil should be illegal to use as a trace wire. It's not a metal detector. It's a transmitter and a receiver and if there is any break in that conductor you will not be able to trace the line. That metallic foil is legal in certain areas but it is absolute garbage. What a lot of people use is electricians conduit pull cable. It's a braided nylon cable used for pulling wires through conduit but it has a trace wire built into it. I'm glad inspectors are starting to realize that this aluminum duct tape is nonsense when it comes to tracing it after the fact.
What state are you in Brother? I'm a certified Propane Technician in Texas and its 12"-18" depth for trenching. We go 18" for most part, unless the spoil is just so difficult to trench. And other factor is if there is heavy vehicle traffic where the line is gonna be buried we sleeve it and go 18" for sure..Keep Crushing It!! Stay HUMBLE, Stay HUNGRY, Stay FOCUSED...~The Jarhead Entrepreneur
My trench is 12" deep is a few places but 20" in most. Had to relocated soil over the top of it to bring it to grade code compliance. No vehicle traffic goes through this area at all.
Don't feel bad i installed a 70 ft pe gas line from the meter to the backyard patio. I thought i crossed my tees and dotted my eyes. but my city didn't like my pressure gauge which is the one you used. The inspector required a diaphram gauge which is a bout $100 and has to be calibrated once a year. After i fixed that i passed. The biggest part of inspection is depth no matter what. the line has to be at the proper depth no ands ifs or butts. The tracer wire that is another biggie. the tape is an additional security measure not required but tracer wire definitely required. I noticed you used compression fittings from my experience those suck they tend to leak. U have to cut the pipe right or they definintely will leak. but you did it right cuz good leak test. I just don't like the lack of reliability with them. The best fittings to use are the honeywell permasert fittings. they seal on the inside and the outside of the pipe ensuring a redundant seal. I used constab fittings which are good but not as good as honeywell's but i didn't know about honeywell till after i done the install. the compression fitting and othe fittings i listed are mechanical fittings. But constab and honeywells are what's called class 1 fittings which means the pipe will not come out of the fitting once they are in they don't come out.. the compression fittings however are not rated as class 1 and the pipe can seperate from the fitting with enough force or movement. The honeywell and constab fittings are akin to shark bite fittings but for natural gas or propane you chamfur the ends with a tool then you stab the pipe into the fitting to a certain depth and that's it. These fitttings are more costly and harder to get have to get them from a plumbing house or supplier vs the compression fittings which are cheaper and can get at home depot but definitely worth it in the long run. Also for the risers i braced them with a short pole next to them drilling all threads through the pole then mounting pipe hanger to the riser onto the all thread so in case i hit them with a lawnmower or kicked them walking no chance of them moving or damage happening to the line or fittings underneath from force. Always good to have the risers supported instead of free standing hope this helps
Thanks for the help. I plan to install my own line soon and did not know about that pressure gauge and air compressor step. Also was surprised by the yellow flex line connection from tank to buried line. That was good to know, also. I am in Texas so I will have to double check what is required here just to make double sure what I've seen you do will be alright down here. How will you connect the 2nd tank to your line to the house? Really interested in that. Have a great day and Jesus bless.
Good luck! Be sure to check your local codes though. In my area I had to pull a permit and have a plummer do some work. Otherwise the propane dealer will not fill it unless it was inspected.
@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319 OK...will follow through on getting everything lined up on paper so to speak before 'doing' anything. Appreciate your reply. Jesus bless.
I did do it correct, It was the inspector's preference for the wire not the tape. I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago and explained the dirt piles and the ditch depth. He seems to be ok with that and will re inspect once I have the wire in.
You mean I was supposed to do all this? 🤦♂️ I didn’t even call 811 I hit a water line😂. Just buried pipe and plumbed it to my stand by generator and called the company to fill my tank. I admire you going by the book, I have another line to drop on my new home, I think I may do it right this go round.
Thank you for sharing your video! Its a good reference. Hopefully the inspector will pass your work before the cold months...oops! You probably cook with the propane, hopefully he will pass you soon!😀
Sounds like the inspector was just a little too picky ! Not a failure, lesson learned. I respect your fortitude , I hope I said that correctly. Thank you for sharing! 🚜💜✝️
Wow I've never seen a homeowner install a line In my area only people with a railroad commission license can do it and we do our own inspections I install underground tanks for a living and we cover our poly service lines with PVC and the depth is 12" And the burial tape is exactly what we use
My plumber neighbor and I did it. County inspector inspected. Awaiting some cash for a second tank to manifold off the other so we have a thousand gallons on reserve.
You will find that I am not ashamed to show my failures along with my triumphs. I hope to reach out to others and encourage them on their adventures. Thank you so very much for responding.
I tell my children that it is better to learn from the mistakes of others than to learn from your own. Trouble is, no one wants to talk about their mistakes. Thank you for your humility and for sharing.
You bet. Thanks for watching.
If you live in an area where the summers get hot you'll want to paint that tank bright white. When the tank is filled to 80%, during summer months, a darker colored tank could build more pressure and your pressure relief valve could pop off causing vapor loss.
As a matter of fact, my wife and I were just discussing that the other day. We are going to paint it white, add a second 500 gallon tank "white" and surround them with a metallic flame guard painted with faux landscape style painting to blend in. So they don't stand out like a turd in a punch bowl.
@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319 be sure to set the tank on solid blocks also. 4x8x16 inch work best. Keeping the tank elevated allowing air flow reducing premature rust, pitting and corrosion. Do not use wood of any type.
I do have it on a gravel base set atop large cement blocks. A second tank will be added in the future. A metal barrier which will be supported in the ground by metal posts will surround the tanks and painted to blend with the environment. This fence/barrier will have no less than a nine inch space under it to allow air flow so gas fumes to not build up in the compound. Both tanks will be colored white and gravel will extent beyond barrier area. This is to act as a guard from flames IF wildfire should ever get near the homestead again. I have the inspector returning next week to do the final and the gas company coming to install the second tank and fill both of them. All of this will be installed as per CODE etc. Thanks for the input and heads up on the pitting and rusting.
Hey Jerry! I watched this video because I am trying to run a line to a kiln I have to set up. Great info! You did not fail! You were practicing on how to run a gas line! Give yourself room to mess up a bit! I make a lot of ugly pots before I make the good ones!
Thank you so much
Thanks! When I had a licensed plumber install propane to my house he failed inspection the first time for the excessive bend he put in the hose. So even the "pros" fail inspection.
Good no know. I did note that though I failed this due to the method of trace line I used (metalic tape) and replaced it with the guage of wire he recommended, a different inspector passed my neighbor's install using Metalic Tape. Go Figure.
unfortunately, you are at the mercy of the inspector and sometimes they don't even know all the rules they just go by what they think.@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319
It's nice you show your failures as well as your successes. Those who have never failed at a project, probably haven't done many. We all have failures. If you learn from them, you haven't really failed. Good luck with the next inspection!
I appreciate that!
Thank you! I am learning from the mistakes of others. Too old and don’t have time to learn from all my own mistakes. Saw another video where the inspector wanted the 14g wire zip tied to the gas line. So I bought a mess of zip ties from Amazon to do mine although we don’t have gas line inspectors here. So there is at least one inspector even pickier than yours. Thanks again!
Glad it was helpful!
That is interesting about zip tied safety wire. What I have read says it should be about 4" above the gas line in case someone is digging (and didn't do a metallic detector test) they will hopefully hit that tape or wire before actually hitting the line. ???
Strange there would be a variation in requirements for safety. Jesus bless.
Thnx for sharing this with us.👍🏻
So nice of you
I'd strongly recommend not using the yellow gas connector you have attached between the first stage regulator and the riser. Replace it with 1/2" coated copper. Regardless, that's a clean install. Looks very professional.
Thank you.
Appreciate the video; getting ready to install a tank to power a back-up generator and wanting to see different set-ups so I know what to do to get my safe and legal.
Will have to keep the tracer wire in mind as well as figure out how I'm going to make a trench.
Glad I could help
I’m not too far from you- Myrtle Creek area- and I’m gonna install a propane tank and two propane heaters in my home as a back up source of heat. Thanks for the tips!
Very cool!
I locate utilities as a side job and we send a signal over the trace wire and then locate that signal. That metallic foil should be illegal to use as a trace wire. It's not a metal detector. It's a transmitter and a receiver and if there is any break in that conductor you will not be able to trace the line. That metallic foil is legal in certain areas but it is absolute garbage. What a lot of people use is electricians conduit pull cable. It's a braided nylon cable used for pulling wires through conduit but it has a trace wire built into it. I'm glad inspectors are starting to realize that this aluminum duct tape is nonsense when it comes to tracing it after the fact.
Oh that was changed out long ago.
What state are you in Brother? I'm a certified Propane Technician in Texas and its 12"-18" depth for trenching. We go 18" for most part, unless the spoil is just so difficult to trench. And other factor is if there is heavy vehicle traffic where the line is gonna be buried we sleeve it and go 18" for sure..Keep Crushing It!! Stay HUMBLE, Stay HUNGRY, Stay FOCUSED...~The Jarhead Entrepreneur
My trench is 12" deep is a few places but 20" in most. Had to relocated soil over the top of it to bring it to grade code compliance. No vehicle traffic goes through this area at all.
Jerry your failure was a success because it provided help to prevent someone else from making the same mistake
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Don't feel bad i installed a 70 ft pe gas line from the meter to the backyard patio. I thought i crossed my tees and dotted my eyes. but my city didn't like my pressure gauge which is the one you used. The inspector required a diaphram gauge which is a bout $100 and has to be calibrated once a year. After i fixed that i passed.
The biggest part of inspection is depth no matter what. the line has to be at the proper depth no ands ifs or butts. The tracer wire that is another biggie. the tape is an additional security measure not required but tracer wire definitely required.
I noticed you used compression fittings from my experience those suck they tend to leak. U have to cut the pipe right or they definintely will leak. but you did it right cuz good leak test. I just don't like the lack of reliability with them. The best fittings to use are the honeywell permasert fittings. they seal on the inside and the outside of the pipe ensuring a redundant seal. I used constab fittings which are good but not as good as honeywell's but i didn't know about honeywell till after i done the install. the compression fitting and othe fittings i listed are mechanical fittings. But constab and honeywells are what's called class 1 fittings which means the pipe will not come out of the fitting once they are in they don't come out.. the compression fittings however are not rated as class 1 and the pipe can seperate from the fitting with enough force or movement. The honeywell and constab fittings are akin to shark bite fittings but for natural gas or propane you chamfur the ends with a tool then you stab the pipe into the fitting to a certain depth and that's it. These fitttings are more costly and harder to get have to get them from a plumbing house or supplier vs the compression fittings which are cheaper and can get at home depot but definitely worth it in the long run.
Also for the risers i braced them with a short pole next to them drilling all threads through the pole then mounting pipe hanger to the riser onto the all thread so in case i hit them with a lawnmower or kicked them walking no chance of them moving or damage happening to the line or fittings underneath from force. Always good to have the risers supported instead of free standing hope this helps
I'm taking notes on the honeywell fittings. Thanks.
Thanks for the help. I plan to install my own line soon and did not know about that pressure gauge and air compressor step.
Also was surprised by the yellow flex line connection from tank to buried line. That was good to know, also.
I am in Texas so I will have to double check what is required here just to make double sure what I've seen you do will be alright down here.
How will you connect the 2nd tank to your line to the house? Really interested in that. Have a great day and Jesus bless.
Good luck! Be sure to check your local codes though. In my area I had to pull a permit and have a plummer do some work. Otherwise the propane dealer will not fill it unless it was inspected.
@@pinemeadowshobbyfarmafruga8319 OK...will follow through on getting everything lined up on paper so to speak before 'doing' anything. Appreciate your reply. Jesus bless.
I’d say it wasn’t a failure it was lack of knowledge. I admire your versatility. ❤️✝️
I did do it correct, It was the inspector's preference for the wire not the tape. I spoke with him on the phone a few hours ago and explained the dirt piles and the ditch depth. He seems to be ok with that and will re inspect once I have the wire in.
PINE MEADOWS HOBBY FARM A Frugal Homestead inspectors have a job to do but man are they a bite in the butt sometimes.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
You mean I was supposed to do all this? 🤦♂️ I didn’t even call 811 I hit a water line😂. Just buried pipe and plumbed it to my stand by generator and called the company to fill my tank. I admire you going by the book, I have another line to drop on my new home, I think I may do it right this go round.
I dont know what it is like your your jurisdiction. Here I especially pay attention to codes.
Thank you for sharing your video! Its a good reference. Hopefully the inspector will pass your work before the cold months...oops! You probably cook with the propane, hopefully he will pass you soon!😀
I hope so too!
Have faith!😀
Good luck. Piling dirt along the ditch edge isn't changing the existing grade.
I was referring to changing the grade of the yard from steep slope to a more gradual slope, not the depth of the line burial.
If there is one thing i have learned about inspectors it is that you are going to pay for two inspections.
One fee pays for all inspections.
Move out of Oregon - problem solved
No, just start electing the right people.
Sounds like the inspector was just a little too picky ! Not a failure, lesson learned. I respect your fortitude , I hope I said that correctly. Thank you for sharing! 🚜💜✝️
Thanks 👍
Wow I've never seen a homeowner install a line
In my area only people with a railroad commission license can do it and we do our own inspections
I install underground tanks for a living and we cover our poly service lines with PVC and the depth is 12"
And the burial tape is exactly what we use
My plumber neighbor and I did it. County inspector inspected. Awaiting some cash for a second tank to manifold off the other so we have a thousand gallons on reserve.
The only people who don’t fail are those who don’t do anything and in the end they fail to live.
Right on.
Thanks for sharing your failure. Great video.
You will find that I am not ashamed to show my failures along with my triumphs. I hope to reach out to others and encourage them on their adventures. Thank you so very much for responding.
Didn’t watch video just wanted to say good for you failing
Following failure comes success.