When Tough Meets Tougher: Tormek T8 vs. S35VN - Who Wins?

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  • @RobertCugno
    @RobertCugno หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I’ve been watching other people sharpening knives, you are, by far, the most informative, interesting and talented one out there! Keep it up!!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow! Thanks for the encouragement Robert!

    • @RobertCugno
      @RobertCugno หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ I wish I could do more….cause you deserve it!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@RobertCugno there's always that "SuperThanks" button 😉 but your encouragement and kind words are very appreciated.

    • @RobertCugno
      @RobertCugno หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ where’s that?

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@RobertCugno There's a button under the video with the word "Thanks" and a love heart with a dollar sign in it. If you press it it allows you to make a donation to support the channel. I receive 70% TH-cam keeps 30%. Donations are appreciated but I feel better receiving tips when I share something that specifically helps you make money. Thanks for asking.

  • @toastedcheesesandwiches
    @toastedcheesesandwiches หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Your videos are getting better and better! That thumbnails rocks! Even your editing is improving. Keep it up Baz!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks man!

  • @WardogOutdoors
    @WardogOutdoors หลายเดือนก่อน

    That edge you put on there looks great!

  • @aussiehardwood6196
    @aussiehardwood6196 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Beautiful precise even high quality durable edge. Exactly what the customer needs.

  • @randomfpv22
    @randomfpv22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lookin good there Baz! Love the knife! Stupidly sharp like everything that leaves your shop!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@randomfpv22 sharper than the sharpest thing...

  • @johnclarke8180
    @johnclarke8180 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome job Baz

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnclarke8180 thanks John.

  • @lars43771
    @lars43771 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done! Especially at that angle. S35VN is one of those steels that you can still get by with on a regular aluminum oxide stone.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the SG is more capable than everything thinks.

    • @Snarlacc
      @Snarlacc หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean it does depend on how hard the blade is. Below 60HRC it's fine, and it's also about the binding in the stone. It might be able to sharpen a 65HRC Magnacut knife, but the stone will get small quickly.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ I'd love to try. These films are quite popular and informative. People want to know. No one else is testing the SG against super hard knives.
      I've sharpened HRC65 knives on here before though. Mostly jap chef knives though.

    • @lars43771
      @lars43771 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Snarlacc Believe it or not, it has little to do with the hardness of the steel and more to do with the hardness of the carbides in the steel. You can easily sharpen a White #1 steel knife at 66HRC, on a Japanese natural stone for instance. The abrasives in those (quartz/silica) come in around 7 Mohs. Aluminum oxide, the abrasive in most man made sharpening stones, comes in around 9 Mohs.

    • @Snarlacc
      @Snarlacc หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lars43771 We are talking about carbide rich steels here though not plain carbon, and the hardness of the steel itself does matter here too, higher hardness, generally higher abrasion resistance. And higher abrasion resistance means harder on the abrasive so a 58HRC Magnacut might be sharpenable with aluminium oxide, but try the same at 65HRC. Yes, the carbide type also matters, 60HRC D2 is much milder on abrasives than 60HRC S90V, but general hardness matters as well. Soft D2 isn't much worse on abrasive than other stainless steels, hard D2 will dish out stones pretty fast. Less about the hardness of the particles and more about the bonding of the particles. I mean Corundum or Aluminium Oxide is a Mohs 9, 60HRC steel is a Mohs 6,5 or 7 and the carbides at HRC70-80 are a Mohs 9 as well, the strength between particles is much, much lower. You are able to sharpen many super steels with low end stones, they are just used up quickly.

  • @WardogOutdoors
    @WardogOutdoors หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice looking knife. Your sound is excellent.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Audio makes a huge difference. Looking forward to your new audio sound.

    • @WardogOutdoors
      @WardogOutdoors หลายเดือนก่อน

      @iSharpen Thank you for sharing what you are using for your excellent audio sound.

  • @nicolbunyan3203
    @nicolbunyan3203 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice knife Baz and you always get whatever it is very sharp Thanks for the education 👍

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@nicolbunyan3203 lotta fun and judging by the numbers of views since release, you guys like this theme too. Thanks for your support and encouragement.

  • @HorseLakeSharpening
    @HorseLakeSharpening หลายเดือนก่อน

    and you are rockin; those bevels!

  • @Wickedscreams18
    @Wickedscreams18 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is literally the exact video I have been waiting for I have a few high-end pocket knives as well as a high-end set of super steel kitchen knives.. right now I use a hapstone, with a mix of CBN and Diamond Stones but have been looking at getting a T8

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Wickedscreams18 that's so awesome to hear thank you and good luck. By a T8!

    • @Wickedscreams18
      @Wickedscreams18 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @iSharpen your channel is quickly becoming one of my favorite to watch as far as sharpening I'm interested to know why you use the diamond plates instead of the tormek stone grater?? Also interested in knowing why you stick with the regular grindstone instead of diamond wheels?

    • @BladeLabMiami
      @BladeLabMiami หลายเดือนก่อน

      The SG wheel *can* sharpen many "super steels," but because the carbides in the wheel are softer than the vanadium carbide in super steels, you're really better off using diamond or CBN on those blades. You will get longer lasting edges that way. That's according to the testing by Knife Grinders Australia.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BladeLabMiami I'm looking forward to finding it's limits. I'm sure it has some but I've yet to be presented with a tough hunting knife that doesn't grind away with the SG. I'm sure it's out there though.

    • @BladeLabMiami
      @BladeLabMiami หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iSharpen Just for fun, I might give it a go on one of my Maxamet or Rex 121 blades. Those are loaded with Vanadium carbides and hardened to 69-70 hrc.

  • @ALXSHARPEN
    @ALXSHARPEN หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is what I save my Tormek Diamond wheels for and I have used CBN as well in my experience the standard stone takes to long for my business

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, I'm eyeing off as set of chinese CBN wheels (from the suppliers everyone else buys them from). I had a bad experience with my 1,000 cbn that flaked off almost immediately (now wrapped in kangaroo tail) but I am curious. I just love the way the SG stone feels. It could be argued I'm addicted to it. I know it's uneconomical but I still get 400-500 knives out of one so it's still very profitable.

  • @Riaan1906
    @Riaan1906 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks Baz. great video. Im curious about the "rolling over the edge when honing" surly the steel is much harder than the leather. I get that the bur is loose(ish) and can be removed by "wiggling/breaking it away from the apex". My actual question is How long can the edge really last if the leather is bending "rolling over" the edge? Thanks again for all your great content!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@Riaan1906 I have serious doubts about the theory of edge rolling. If a knife edge could be rolled that easily by rubbing it in leather then it wouldn't last very long in actual use. I think when people think they've "rolled the edge" what they're experiencing is the actual burr root still on the edge. Could be wrong though.

    • @Riaan1906
      @Riaan1906 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@iSharpen Thanks Man, I agree with you. It is a strange science this sharpening thing. Thanks for the great videos

    • @KyleEdwards-rl5xt
      @KyleEdwards-rl5xt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      With diamond compounds on a strop, too much pressure and too steep of an angle you can definitely round the edge. I experienced this when I was learning to sharpen and becoming more familiar with harder abrasives.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@KyleEdwards-rl5xt did you see it under a microscope? I’d have to see it to believe it. I can imagine it with a really soft knife but with a proper hard knife I still find it hard to believe. If a knife can be rounded just by rubbing on leather it would be useless in real use. I’m not saying you’re wrong. It just doesn’t make sense and doesn’t ring true to me.

    • @KyleEdwards-rl5xt
      @KyleEdwards-rl5xt วันที่ผ่านมา

      @iSharpen not under a microscope but by using a bess sharpness tester, comparing and contrasting. I wouldn't consider rolling but more so rounding. Most steels I use aren't soft either. I use alot if spyderco knives(usa). Diamond is very fast cutting. Chromium oxide is obviously much more forgiving. When I switched to all diamond abrasives was when I realized how inconsistently I was holding my angle. Diamond requires very little pressure when sharpening. When I strop I literally just use the weight of the knife. Initially I was putting pressure because that's what I was used to with Chromium oxide.

  • @nicksielaff3000
    @nicksielaff3000 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Baz the knife is amazing!

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cool! Thanks for letting me sharpen it.

  • @billclancy4913
    @billclancy4913 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice work! Why did you skip the Japanese waterstone?

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks. It's pointless. I've never had it improve sharpness. All it does is waste time and make it look pretty. The slight toothiness of a 960 grind helps cut stuff too.

  • @rifleman1873
    @rifleman1873 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice job!!

  • @HorseLakeSharpening
    @HorseLakeSharpening หลายเดือนก่อน

    Have you tried the new Tormek knife angle jig? Game changer. Also, I can send you files for a goniometer if you've got someone to 3D print it. Also a very helpful tool.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, I'm not a fan of the new angle setter. Seems like a lot of unnecessary faffing around and wasting time for no extra benefit when the existing tool does the job perfectly in 1 second. Time is money in a commercial operation.
      I've seen the gonimometer and it could be an interesting tool for checking angles but again I'm not convinced it's needed. Personally, I think too much emphasis is put on exact edge angle.
      We may need beer for further discussion on knife angles. 😉

    • @HorseLakeSharpening
      @HorseLakeSharpening 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@iSharpen I'll crack a beer here, you crack a beer there, we'll figure out the time difference and make it happen! Have a great day, Baz. As always, thanks for your insight.

  • @cynthiabrandt679
    @cynthiabrandt679 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey baz Steward here in Naples, Florida on my wife's TH-cam channel. Have you ever seen these knives? They're advertising them here in the US a lot called Coolina I believe is the name. They look like something out of Conan the barbarian movie. Big heavy, crazy knives. Those would be interesting for you to sharpen. Has anybody ever sent you knives from the US to Australia to sharpen and then you return them to the US? Just curious???😅

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cynthiabrandt679 not yet. But I'm open to the idea. Shipping a knife to the U.S. costs about AUD$55-$65 it'd want to be a pretty special knife.
      No, can't say I've seen those knives.

  • @markotrifunovic9332
    @markotrifunovic9332 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍👍👍👍

  • @kvernesdotten
    @kvernesdotten หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh yeah Tormek always wins as long as you go at it long enough. I have no issues with doing 64 hrc cruwear and such on it either, but if the steel is too hard or theres too much carbide in it then at some point it starts to get weird when you go to use it. Its not really noticable while sharpening, but the cutting feel is just... off? Ive been told its because while you eventually can abrade down the carbides, it kinda rounds them off.
    Then again I mostly use CBN and just use the SG wheel for testing/fun or when I want to save the CBN wheel some abuse. There is a crossover point where the CBN just gives better results, but im not sure where that point is so far

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. I don't get much super steel work but if I did I'd possibly consider investing in some CBN wheels. The one I did buy started risking off when thin 10 minutes so I'm currently not a fan when the SG is so versatile. Then again, I'm old.

    • @kvernesdotten
      @kvernesdotten หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iSharpen Yeah I know how you feel about them, which is such a shame to me. I have several grits of them that ive had for almost 2 years now and they show no sign of slowing down. Paul from Alexandria Knife Sharpening says his are 5 years old, no sign of wear or delamination.
      I guess the one you bought was a lemon or something? Delamiantion seems to be such a rare problem that I cant help wonder what the previous owner used yours for, it does say spesifically not to use water in the manual.
      Anyway I feel like im trying to push something you dont want on you, I dont mean to. I just think you may be missing out on something you might actually love because of a bad experience.
      Then again, having to wear a respirator kinda sucks a bit haha

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ yeah, I have limited experience and it was all bad. But I just love the way the SG wheel works. I know it wears out pretty fast and is expensive but I still get 400-500 knives out of one so the economics works for me. I just love how it feels.
      I almost ordered a full set of CBNs from China but something about them just doesn't sit right with me yet. Maybe that'll change in the future. Maybe I'll surprise everyone. Maybe I'll get a CBN sponsorship deal. I am a little curious but not enough to spend thousands of dollars on a set quite yet.

    • @kvernesdotten
      @kvernesdotten หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@iSharpen That makes sense and is why I say I dont want to push this on you. Like you said in another comment here, super steels are kinda rare to get in and the vast majority of the super steels I sharpen are my own. Which makes sense, enthusiasts buy those and most enthusiasts want to sharpen their own knives

  • @markbaliel1472
    @markbaliel1472 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just purchased the Tormek T4. Still having trouble with the bell to point. Resulting in a blunt point.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not sure what a bell is. Do you start tip first like I show?

    • @markbaliel1472
      @markbaliel1472 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I​@iSharpen I meant to say the belly of the knife to the tip. Yes, I like your method, but trying to get my grip, pressure and movement down. Your really informative.
      Thanks

    • @kvernesdotten
      @kvernesdotten หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@markbaliel1472 Just guessing, but if you struggle with blunt tips its usually because you either lift too much or because you let the point drop off the stone

    • @markbaliel1472
      @markbaliel1472 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kvernesdottenThanks, I appreciate the feedback.

    • @kvernesdotten
      @kvernesdotten หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@markbaliel1472 Trying to be helpful at least! When I think of it, theres a third option that could give you blunt tips or "wolf ears" at the tip too. If you pivot the belly/tip outwards instead of upwards, that can give some of the same "symptoms".
      If you have one of those laser levels or something similar that can put an imaginary straight line on your stone, I like to think that the edge should always be as close to that line as possible. If you do that, then 99% of your technique should be correct on its own.
      As far as tipping the point too much or the wrong direction, the best tip I have is to pay attention to the sound
      edit: also, try to pay attention to the actual edge bevel often. If its uneven thickness (without the knife being bent of course) or gets weird facets on it, it means you are doing something inconsistent

  • @charlesg5085
    @charlesg5085 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow did not expect this. I have always heard you need diamond to sharpen these

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      There are a lot of fake myths about the Tormek. I've busted several of them. There are some much harder supersteels than S35VN which the SG wheel might struggle with but for now it's been a stellar wheel that's handled everything I've ever thrown at it included full ceramic knives, even wood. I ground an ebony bowie knife on one...lol Still got it unfinished. You can see it behind me on the wall under the word "sharpening" on the round wooden logo plate.

    • @charlesg5085
      @charlesg5085 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @iSharpen I want a t-8 sp bad. You are talented.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@charlesg5085 You know what's better than a T8? A used T8 that you picked up for a bargain. I bought both of mine used, second hand. The second one I actually got paid to buy because it came with so many accessories that I sold them for a profit. The first one came with it's own trolley and a heap of jigs and only cost me $650 so probably only paid about $100 for the T8 itself. Keep an eye on all the used marketplaces/craigslist/gumtrees...etc. One will show up. Have cash ready. No need to buy retail.

    • @charlesg5085
      @charlesg5085 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @iSharpen Fantastic advice. Looking for one now.

  • @robertdewalt8711
    @robertdewalt8711 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I plan on getting t8 in 2025, and getting Fine wheel, plan on keeping main 250 stone wheel as coarse wheel getting DF 250 fine wheel. Then 2026 get DE 250 extra fine wheel. Reason is I think I would prefer to change wheel rather than regrading between coarse and fine as this will wear down main 250 much faster then keeping wheel at coarse.

    • @iSharpen
      @iSharpen  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, it dies wear down the wheel for sure. Then again I still make $5-7k per wheel so it's not a big deal for me. The diamond wheels are not suitable for commercial use due to the water conditioning, sensitivity and contaminating of real world use but for the occasional hobby use it might be fun to have one.
      Great to hear your getting a T8. You'll love it.