One note on the sharpeners lasting longer than whetstones, thats true for the traditional whetstones however there are also diamond based whetstones which do not have the issues as traditional whetstones. You do however still need to learn to sharpen with them.
Also most splash & go ceramic bonded stones last very long. They will need some flattening after some time, but wear much slower than weakly bonded stones.
they might last longer than those cheap chinese shitstones, but a shappro will last practically forever(well, all the shaptons minus the 120, 220, 320 grits) and a shapton rockstar will outlast your grandkids. Diamond plates last a while, or they wear out in a few weeks if they're shit, resin bonded diamonds will last practically forever, metalic/vitrified bond diamonds/cbn will outlast your bloodline. all that said, it takes a bit to learn how to sharpen on whetstones, but outside of maybe a fixed angle system it gets you the sharpest knives. Fixed angle systems also have limitations where whetstones do not.
The diamond grit (especially on a cheap stone) doesn't last forever. If you only sharpen one per month, maybe the low startup cost is worth it (especially if you keep the worn diamond plate for a mid-step or polishing step.) but if you're using a stone enough that you need to flatten a waterstone... Then you're wearing out a diamond stone and need to replace it.
I’ve seen tumbler brand ads for years and only a few days ago did I see one for horl. Glad I hesitated and read all the reviews. Now I just need to save for one.
If you'we watched tumbler ads on tiktok/youtube shorts where the guy was showing off the sharpening skills using this sharp tester thing, they were also rigged as the guy was using the wrong technique to make the score look better after sharpening, glad you didn't fall for the cash grab!
Yeah. I hope this video reaches more people before it's too late. Sadly I'm not going to be spending any marketing budget on reach. Thanks for the comment. That helps spread the word.
I've been wanting (and looking) for this exact video for months, looking into getting a HORL after seeing all those TUMBLER ads everywhere. The Internet Never Lies, right? Thank you!
Yeah... well it's like they say... either you spend money on the quality of the product or on the marketing of it. I saw the endless ads too, but after testing the tumbler, I'd have to say that they clearly focused more on ads than product.
@@NortOfficialI would rather buy a diamond stone, because you can get a realy good one for like half the money. If you have a bendy knife it can become very dificult to sharpen the Tips of knives with rolling scharpeners
@@TriggTubeI think the reason why you couldnt learn to sharpen knifes with wettstones is, that they do not remove material nearly as fast as diamond stones. For me a big double sidet (around 400 and 1000 grid) diamond stone works much better than contraptions like in this video
Speaking of sharp things, this video just kept me ON EDGE and really helped CUT through the noise of these rolling sharpeners. Really got to the POINT which i appreciated. Thanks for the good work!
I was thinking on buying a whetstone, but the algorithm brought me here, and I'm so grateful for that. Not only I know now about the Horl sharpener, but I have a whole new channel to binge. Keep it up!
This is the video I've needed for so long. I've been skeptical of these rolling sharpeners ever since I saw them, and held off buying one because of that. Good to know that the skepticism was warrented, but I'm even more glad that one of them actually works. I'll definitely be getting a Horl sharpener. Thank you so much for this video!
Finally, an honest review. I have used wet stone for nearly 6 years, but was still interested in this concept of rolling sharpener. While researching, however, I have discovered that numerous youtubers and bloggers promoted the knock-off version more than the original one(I am not going to mention some specific names, but some of them have over 2 million subscribers). Also, the tests that they so have "conducted" were mostly hiding the downside of those products on purpose. I know that they did it on purpose, because they were using the loopholes of measuring instruments that I know so well about. I am glad that there is finally a honset review about these products. God bless you.
Thanks. It helps and hurts that I don't have the pressure gauges and macro lenses to test everything SUPER scientifically. I also thought the internet was missing a "does it work or not?" test. With hundreds of fakes out there, I'm sure there may be some that also work, but from what I ordered... it was pretty obvious that quality control isn't their priority. 👍👍
@@TriggTube I personally really prefer the cut a carrot method you used. I have been wondering about these for a while but most comments I find just keep saying to learn a wet stone and how they could never get as good as a wet stone and so on. I don't need the absolute pristine perfect edge as a home cook. I just want it to be sharp enough to make my job easier and safer without all the extra effort of learning the wet stone.
Thanks for this video. Was looking into rollers to sharpen my knives and specially my mom’s knives that she’s been bugging me to sharpen lol but didn’t know what brand to go with 😂. I recently discovered rollers as sharpeners and didn’t want to learn wet stones since it’s too hard and I hate it. Thanks for this video man, you saved me a ton of time. Keep up the good work 🎉
I've heard from multiple people that the Tumblr stops rolling after a few uses. thanks for this video. I've been looking at getting a rolling sharpener because I too am terrible with a wet stone
Thank you for this video! I have seen a handful of ads and videos from users of the Tumbler and had noticed that black lines showed up in user videos. I thought to myself, why wouldn't they make it spin? Turns out it's supposed to... I didn't know that HORL existed, but am glad to say that I will be looking to pick one of them up! Thanks again for the video I didn't even know I needed!
I've got the Horl 2 and love it. Interesting to hear about the Tumbler as you see them everywhere and I assumed it would also be pretty good. The Horl is just a very well made piece of equipment, if you value the look and feel of precision made tools then you will absolutely love it. For rolling sharpeners in general, someone skilled with a whetstone will be able to get the knife a bit sharper but although there is a bit of a knack to using the Horl, pretty much anyone can do it and it's really quick. The biggest question is what angle to sharpen your knives to. The general rule of thumb is Japanese or other high quality knives should be sharpened to 15deg, anything else to 20. Don't think that 15deg will make your knife sharper, it doesn't seem to work like that. I have found you can sharpen anything to 20 and it will get sharp. I have some Wusthof knives which are a high quality German brand, they are supposedly sharpened to 14 deg at the factory so I always used 15 deg with the Horl, and I got them sharp but was always a bit disappointed they were never razor sharp like when they were new. I experimented and started sharpening one of them to 20deg as an experiment and it actually got sharper. So my message would be experiment and find what works for you and your knives but if in doubt go with 20. As the video says you can get different discs for the Horl, I have just got the standard ones, but something that is really good is a sharpening leather strop, it really makes a difference. After honing with the ceramic disc the knife is pretty sharp but a few strokes over the strop and it transforms it to razor sharp. Something my Horl does that I absolutely love, not sure if it's supposed to do this but I am assuming it is deliberate, if you set it down the wooden centre section appears to be slightly off balance and it rotates itself so that the Horl symbol always faces up. Small thing but its small things like that that I love!
I love honest and solid review videos like this. Very well done and I've been wanting a rolling sharpener, and this helped ease my skepticism. Guess I'll have to save up or maybe ask for it for Christmas 😅. Thanks again and God Bless you and yours!
My son got me the Tumbler for my birthday and I have had none of the issues with the rolling part you have had in the test. I wouldn't want to set a new bevel with the diamond stone, but for getting a very fine edge it seems to work well.
Awesome video I was looking into these and due to all the ads thought the the tumbler was the original. I come to find out horl is the OG and way better than the rest. Thanks for the great content!
Thank you so much! I have been looking into the rolling option but was entirely clueless on the price differentials. TOTALLY this video. My whetstone sharpening is better than expected. I have a large fun shaped knife which i have less patience for and assume these rolling things would assist that. 😁
You're better than me. I feel like my whetstones always left my knives exactly the same. But then I had a whole mess to clean up from a wet kitchen. I never really figured it out and got frustrated with trying.
There is another product from Horl called Horl 2 which only supports 20 degree angle! Question is: How do we know which angle to use 15 or 20? Or is it that either would work? Please clarify. But excellent presentation and detailed video. Awesome 👏🏼
Jusging by the comments this must have been one of the most impressive (unintentional) ads in terms of actually getting people to buy something I have personally seen haha. Me included😂
Haha. I imagine most people are searching for this video were already curious buyers anyway... I'm glad I helped them avoid any potential disappointments.
Something to think about when purchasing anything with different price ranges doing the same thing is knowing who came up with it. They understand the product inside out, and are usually a lot more invested in fixing any shortcomings. Knock offs typically just recreate whatever the OG is without so much thought as to why. So normally you get a more fleshed out, longer lasting product with potential improvements in the future. Though there are always exceptions as with anything
Yay! A video about the original and the fakes. Tumbler had a very aggressive video campaign on TH-cam, and I am honestly sad that people bought that cheap knockoff instead of the actual HORL, which is fantastic.
people buy based on price tags more than anything tbh. Also, expensive doesn't necessarily mean better. And cheap doesn't necessarily mean worse. Always need a review on things tbh.
I was wondering what the skid marks were on other reviews (no one mentioned) as to the Tumbler. Will do just that, save up for the HORL. Great review, thanks.
If you find it scary or overly complicated to use a whetstone i can absolutely see someone get a good quality rolling sharpener. I can see the benefit of this thing on more then just against a stone. If someone is older or wrist that hurt a lot, this can help them save money against buying new knives or paying to fix them. I will pick a stone every time but thats because i learned it sense i was in my early teens. And i would also say that you dont need much for stones either. I have a basic stone and it has lasted over 10 years. I sharpen like one or two knives every now and then and it's always done its job, always got it back to cutting my food.
Yeah. It's all about your priorities and abilities. Whetstones definitely work. No argument there... but you made some good points about who may consider other options.
Another thing I did not realise I absolutely needed until watching a YT video. Very good comparison, id rather wait and buy quality over throw away crap
I wonder if you could go cheap and just cut out circles of sandpaper to adhere to the discs, yknow? Obviously, the ideal is to get the best one, but that's what I'd do if I was going cheap. Personally, I like the $30 Smith's sharpening jigs. Not as convenient, but it's a stone on a guide, fairly idiot proof. Comes with many angles and grits, and even a ceramic triangular one to do serrations, as well as honing oil. At least the one I used to have did. That was years ago, and yknow, shrinkflation and all that. I lost it awhile ago, and usually just hone on a ceramic plate or mug's bottom. Good enough so far.
Its a good example that certain designs can be copied and give similar performance and function for a while, but the real technology is the quality of the grinding part and of course the rolling mechanism. Seeing that both aftermarket companies could not even duplicate something as simple as a stable roller displays really why they failed on the grinding disks also.
any engineer can replicate or even do better than that. The problem is those companies are usually the shitty China companies. So it's expected to be garbage.
Thank you for this clear and honest review! Like many others, I've been bombarded with Tumbler ads, and I wondered whether the product would work as advertised. Saving up for a Horl now
I have been using the Hone rolling sharpener for about a year now. I love it! It has bearings in the casing for a nice smooth role and quality feel. The discs are diamond and double side. I wonder how it would stack up vs the Horle? Have you tried that one?
Another advantage of buying the original Horl knife sharpener instead of a knockoff is that you, the customer, helps keep Horl in business. This is, of course, assuming that Horl maintains the quality of their products (which they hopefully are wise enough to do).
Thank you for proving that point. Quality costs. Just as a quick note. I rough sharpen my knives at 15 degree and fine finish the very cutting edge at 20. That way It is faster and save on the more expensive fine stones.
I have a rolling sharpener by Kimbo, which definitely falls into the mid price point, even a bit cheaper than the Tumbler. But mine came with removable sharpening stones and the option to purchase a high grit whetstone attachment. It also rolls a lot better than what the Tumbler appears to roll in this video.
I have the Tumbler and been using it for a year now and I have had none of your issues, save a little of the black, but even then it stopped being an issue after the first use. Also the rolling portion of mine have never had the flaw you did. I think you just got a defective one. My knives have been razor sharp both German steel and Japanese Steel that I use since getting the Tumbler. Tumbler also makes and odd degree angle magnet block for further options.
I own a tumbler sharpener and Trigg's review is spot on. Just had to open a ticket with them for the dragging issue. This seems to be a known issue by them as they replaced my original purchase with no problems even though it was about 2 years old. Customer service for Tumbler was great but I still would go with a HORL. I will continue to use this newer tumbler one they sent me until it stops working again and then will switch to HORL
Good to hear it wasn't just me... yeah, I'm at the point in my life where even if they give me a replacement, I'd rather just have a good product that lasts than a product that gets regularly replaced.
For anyone who cares: I got a 20-30€ two sided wetstone on amazon like 6 years ago and after using it about 6-10 times a year on both of my knifes it is still in decent condition. It took me a couple of tries to get the movements down but after that I could get them sharpened fairly quickly. I am no expert and I am sure they're not perfectly sharpened but they are good enough. What I mean by this is... Consider how much the convenience of getting one of these is worth for you, considering it's gonna spend most of the time in a drawer somewhere. It is VERY expensive in my opinion. Also consider this is pretty much an ad.
Thanks for giving the other option. I fully agree with your takeaways. I was making this video for people who are on the fence about WHICH rolling sharpener to get. It's absolutely a matter of preference, but this is the option if you don't have the time or desire to learn how to get good at whetstones. Personally, I tried and didn't like them.
I've got a set of top-of-the-line Japanese whetstones -- Shapton Glass in 400, 1000 and 5000 -- and the whole lot cost me about the cost of the Tumbler. The Horl is outrageously overpriced.
2:03 maybe it's not you. Internet beginner sharpening videos, recommend way too high grit stones to get into sharpening. You need to start with 200-300, maybe 400 grit stone at most, I'd recommend ~300 Japanese stone, it removes material fast, and inherently requires consistency for way less time, which is doable for novice. And you can get your knives scary sharp with just that one stone, you sharpen until you can see a visible "V" shape formed on the edge, and then you make 10 alternating strokes on the stone to deburr, and you're done.
Yeah. I started too high for sure and then bought additional hard grit stones. They were better, but I still had to take my knives to a pro to reset the edge.
I own a knock-off for about 25, it has a whetstone discs, rolls smoothly, and you can buy as many different grids replacement stones as you wish for about 5-7 bucks.
Diamond stones can easily get clogged with shavings, especially when using cheap ones. However they can easily be cleaned with a pencil eraser, which brings back their performance. I wonder whether this was the issue with the cheap version?
@@TriggTubeI think it’s great that a fellow Trig is also a home chef. And you aren’t in your 80s, I’m 41, only met two people with our name. One of them was the guy I was named after. I say “not in your 80s” because from what I’ve learned from older Nordic people is that it was a popular name in the very early 1900s. Assuming your full name is also Trygve that is.
I wish I saw this vid some months earlier... I bought a not so cheap knock-off (about 90 USD). It didn't meet my expectations and I have returned it. It was not turning smoothly and after I have sharpened all my knifes, the discs felt smooth. I then have bought the Horl 2, and it is working great. In retrrospect maybe I should have invested in the Horl 2 pro to safe some time.
Nice to know! This is great, thanks! Honestly, the $20 sounds good to me - I haven't sharpened my knife since leg warmers were a thing. Next show us how to sand down our cutting boards. 😊
The tumbler has two plastic bushing that the axil rotates on. I replaced those with brass bushing and now it works great. Bearings would be even better.
I'm a little confused... You didn't use the expensive Japanese knife, and used a 'stainless steel' knife instead... I work with stainless steel, and it's not magnetic. How did you make this work???
Thanks for this video. I really need to get a knife sharpener and couldn't decide between putting more effort into whetstones or getting one of the rolling ones. The limitations are of course a bit disappointing, but looking at some of my German-style knives, being stopped by the bolster shouldn't really be an issue, as even originally they don't seem to have cutting edge sharpened completely down to the heel.
I have a belt sander, the Ken Onion edition. I use a 120 grit belt and then a 800 grit, then a leather belt. I plan on get a 1x30 belt sander for my next purchase.
I bought a cheap 1 from China. Honestly it made my knives sharper. I also recently got an expensive damascus set (about 100 euro per knife) for my birthday, and holy moly, those are crazy sharp. Gonna look into getting the proper one. Definitely won't use the cheap roller on that.
the highest end Horl has a geared transmission in the roller that increases the rpms of disc faster than the rolling speed. I have not seen that feature reviewed on any of the many roller sharpener videos i have watched
Yeah. In theory it would work better, but with how the Horl in the video performs, I can't imagine it being a necessary feature. For saving time or making the knives sharper. It's pretty quick and effective as is. Gilding the lily a bit I think.
There is a super long stone sharpening tutorial video of a knife sharpening master on TH-cam, where he also explains the difference between stone and ceramic. Since stone is way harder than metal it shouldn't wear down, all you need is rinse the metal particals out with water. Ceramic on the other hand has finer or grippier pores (or smth like that) and you almost can't rinse it sufficiently (e.g. the metallic marks of spoons in white mugs don't even come off in the dishwasher). So the cheap roller one might last way longer if you just rinse it.
I think prudent reviews made that video already... I've gotta move on to the next product unfortunately. Haha. My poor knife has taken enough abuse for now.
It's worth noting that regardless of how well any of these sharpen your knife, they'll never be able to thin it when sharpening eventually widens the cutting edge, which is a major disadvantage
I have a knock off roller ($90'ish) and it's really good. It does leave some black lines but it rolls very nicely and has 6 discs. It does a great job, but it is a minefield out there to get a good one. For disc options, customer service etc, it's a good bet to go with HORL. "Good" whetsones are seriously expensive and unless you have good technique, you don't get the benefit. (like me). But put the practise in and nothing comes close to sharpness and versatility. I've just got a dedicated little knife spirit level that helps, but I just suck at moving my arms straight to keep the angle!
@@Shmoge I got it off Temu. Not sure if I should/can post links but it’s Tumbler Rolling Knife Sharpener and angle block is a square with 4 angles which is great for my range of knives.
This is interesting. I wonder if Tumbler just has poor quality control. I had never heard of a barrel knife sharpener. I saw an ad for Tumbler and put it on my Christmas list. I ended up getting it one year. Mine doesn’t have those issues. It is fairly old, so maybe from an original production run where they were hand building them? Or maybe it just needs to be broken in? Who knows. But mine doesn’t make any noises and rolls just fine. It doesn’t freely spin like the HORL brand though, that looked awesome. I’ve enjoyed it so much, that this makes me want to get the premium brand now!
Yeah. I hadn't seen other videos online with the squeak, but most other reviews have the same problem with free rolling. Quality control IS a concern though for sure.
I didn’t know that HORL was the original so I got Tumbler. It worked well on the first use (so far) and it didn’t have that issue with rotation. Maybe you’ve got a defective unit?
Possibly, but I researched it, and a few other people have reported the same issue I had. Regardless, even when brand new and unused, it doesn't rotate freely.
My grandpa taught me how to sharpen my knife(s) on the bottom of a mug and a really nice leather strip a long time ago, it's a bit rustic, but i know only to use it on my older knives. Removes way too much metal and is way too rough on the blade to use it on a new one. That being said, i hope you find a use for that many sliced carrots! Room for some carrot cake, maybe?
@@TriggTube Ahh... Taking a mug to a shoddy knife can really make a day and night difference. Sad the sharpen on those knives really just lasts about as long as you spent sharpening them. Hope we get to see the cake! Love to see everyone's unique takes on them. 😊
wow you must have been looking at my browser history! ive been getting ads for that tumbler brand roller and was interested in it after debating getting into the stones... never seen any ads for the original though! highly considering now
Great video, your long form content is amazing! Well edited with some fun inserted into it makes for a very good and attention-grabbing video. Also nice that you exposed this tumbler cash grab :)
A chefschoice electric sharpener is actually cheaper than the horl (currently $144 on amazon). That's what I have. It's just as idiot proof and I'm pretty sure it works just as well. I whip mine out once or twice a year. It can get the knives into paper slicing territory.
Inadvertently an expose video against those Tumbler guys. I see their YTShorts all the time and it always seemed sketchy the way they showed their sharpener which made me click "Do Not Recommend This Channel" (Plus to me they came off across as high-and-mighty and stuck-up. Like "our sharpener is the ONLY choice and anything else you use is garbage" kind of vibe.) My cousin asked why because she thought they looked amazing, and yet I denied it, and with this demonstration/showcase video of the Tumbler, I sort of feel vindicated in a way.
when this thing came out. My first impression of it was dangerous, because if you slip and cut you self. And even if you are careful, the knife blade facing up doesn't say "i got this", it say " i don't have control of this knife!!" when it decide to pop off the magnet.
- Doesn't want to sacrifice an expensive Miyabi.. - .. So he uses a Zwilling. Granted it's not as expensive but I love how a Zwilling is the "sacrifice".
True. But any cheaper and it wouldn't be a good test. I thought about using my $4 knife from my previous video. Haha. But that would fail no matter what. It's basically made of aluminum foil.
I had to pause the video to comment this. Nothing lasts a lifetime. There is no diamond sharpener that lasts a lifetime because those small diamond particles fell of slowly when you use the disc or a plate or whatever. Diamond is harder than steel but the problem is that those particles are glued to the surface of sharpener and as you sharpen on them they slowly fell of. Not actually glued but there are few different techniques how thats made, but the point is that no matter what, with time your disc will loose those diamond particles and become useless piece of steel.
I think work sharp has the best version of this! It's a lot safer cause the blade isn't facing you and the stones/grit is interchangeable. It really hurts to watch people use the ones that have the knife facing them 😭😭
One note on the sharpeners lasting longer than whetstones, thats true for the traditional whetstones however there are also diamond based whetstones which do not have the issues as traditional whetstones. You do however still need to learn to sharpen with them.
True. I'd imagine that's the same grit as the rolling sharpeners with diamond discs. 👍👍
Also most splash & go ceramic bonded stones last very long. They will need some flattening after some time, but wear much slower than weakly bonded stones.
they might last longer than those cheap chinese shitstones, but a shappro will last practically forever(well, all the shaptons minus the 120, 220, 320 grits)
and a shapton rockstar will outlast your grandkids.
Diamond plates last a while, or they wear out in a few weeks if they're shit, resin bonded diamonds will last practically forever, metalic/vitrified bond diamonds/cbn will outlast your bloodline.
all that said, it takes a bit to learn how to sharpen on whetstones, but outside of maybe a fixed angle system it gets you the sharpest knives. Fixed angle systems also have limitations where whetstones do not.
Sharpening isn’t that hard to learn. And this gimmick gadget can’t do what a whetstone does thinning of the knife
The diamond grit (especially on a cheap stone) doesn't last forever. If you only sharpen one per month, maybe the low startup cost is worth it (especially if you keep the worn diamond plate for a mid-step or polishing step.) but if you're using a stone enough that you need to flatten a waterstone... Then you're wearing out a diamond stone and need to replace it.
I’ve seen tumbler brand ads for years and only a few days ago did I see one for horl. Glad I hesitated and read all the reviews. Now I just need to save for one.
If you'we watched tumbler ads on tiktok/youtube shorts where the guy was showing off the sharpening skills using this sharp tester thing, they were also rigged as the guy was using the wrong technique to make the score look better after sharpening, glad you didn't fall for the cash grab!
Yeah. I hope this video reaches more people before it's too late. Sadly I'm not going to be spending any marketing budget on reach. Thanks for the comment. That helps spread the word.
@@TriggTube No, thank you for all you do on this channel. Watching your vids has taught me so much about the kitchen.
Be smart and buy a real sharpening set instead of this junk, Landsky are amazing!
@@boalberto5160 its an option for people that dont want to learn to use a landsky puck or whetstone but i do prefer whetstones over these
I‘ve been using the Horl 2 for about 4 years and it stills works as well as it did on day one. Absolutely no regrets with my purchase
Great to hear. That's the rate mine is aging at too... not at all. Haha
Could you validate this? Did you buy it right from HORL themselves?
@@raffettoman Validate? no, i made a youtube comment stating my experience, take it or leave it xD
Thank you for this video. Tumbler blasted the internet with ads. I thought they were the “original”. I’m glad I didn’t waste my money.
Glad I could help!
I've been wanting (and looking) for this exact video for months, looking into getting a HORL after seeing all those TUMBLER ads everywhere. The Internet Never Lies, right? Thank you!
Yeah... well it's like they say... either you spend money on the quality of the product or on the marketing of it. I saw the endless ads too, but after testing the tumbler, I'd have to say that they clearly focused more on ads than product.
@@TriggTube If enough people pay for stuff sold high and made cheap, there is more money for ads... and repeat
@@NortOfficial A truly vicious and common cycle
@@NortOfficialI would rather buy a diamond stone, because you can get a realy good one for like half the money. If you have a bendy knife it can become very dificult to sharpen the Tips of knives with rolling scharpeners
@@TriggTubeI think the reason why you couldnt learn to sharpen knifes with wettstones is, that they do not remove material nearly as fast as diamond stones. For me a big double sidet (around 400 and 1000 grid) diamond stone works much better than contraptions like in this video
Speaking of sharp things, this video just kept me ON EDGE and really helped CUT through the noise of these rolling sharpeners. Really got to the POINT which i appreciated. Thanks for the good work!
Amazingly SHARP wit. 😜
@@TriggTube I really try. Great video!
Well aren’t you the cunning linguist? 😅👍🏻
I was thinking on buying a whetstone, but the algorithm brought me here, and I'm so grateful for that. Not only I know now about the Horl sharpener, but I have a whole new channel to binge.
Keep it up!
Wow! Thanks to the algorithm! Glad you found me and liked the video. 👍
This is the video I've needed for so long. I've been skeptical of these rolling sharpeners ever since I saw them, and held off buying one because of that. Good to know that the skepticism was warrented, but I'm even more glad that one of them actually works. I'll definitely be getting a Horl sharpener. Thank you so much for this video!
Yeah. My skepticism became curiosity. And my curiosity became a video. Glad it helped. 👍
Finally, an honest review. I have used wet stone for nearly 6 years, but was still interested in this concept of rolling sharpener.
While researching, however, I have discovered that numerous youtubers and bloggers promoted the knock-off version more than the original one(I am not going to mention some specific names, but some of them have over 2 million subscribers).
Also, the tests that they so have "conducted" were mostly hiding the downside of those products on purpose.
I know that they did it on purpose, because they were using the loopholes of measuring instruments that I know so well about.
I am glad that there is finally a honset review about these products. God bless you.
Thanks. It helps and hurts that I don't have the pressure gauges and macro lenses to test everything SUPER scientifically. I also thought the internet was missing a "does it work or not?" test. With hundreds of fakes out there, I'm sure there may be some that also work, but from what I ordered... it was pretty obvious that quality control isn't their priority. 👍👍
@@TriggTube legit true. No wonder why ceramic stones and dimond stones dominate the premium market.
@@TriggTube I personally really prefer the cut a carrot method you used. I have been wondering about these for a while but most comments I find just keep saying to learn a wet stone and how they could never get as good as a wet stone and so on. I don't need the absolute pristine perfect edge as a home cook. I just want it to be sharp enough to make my job easier and safer without all the extra effort of learning the wet stone.
Thanks for this video. Was looking into rollers to sharpen my knives and specially my mom’s knives that she’s been bugging me to sharpen lol but didn’t know what brand to go with 😂. I recently discovered rollers as sharpeners and didn’t want to learn wet stones since it’s too hard and I hate it. Thanks for this video man, you saved me a ton of time. Keep up the good work 🎉
I've heard from multiple people that the Tumblr stops rolling after a few uses. thanks for this video. I've been looking at getting a rolling sharpener because I too am terrible with a wet stone
Yeah. I'd seen other videos, but it was another thing to test myself. 👍👍
You’re a legend for this, I’ve been considering buying one for ages now and I now know which one to actually buy, thanks a ton!
You're welcome. 👍
Thank you for this video! I have seen a handful of ads and videos from users of the Tumbler and had noticed that black lines showed up in user videos. I thought to myself, why wouldn't they make it spin? Turns out it's supposed to... I didn't know that HORL existed, but am glad to say that I will be looking to pick one of them up! Thanks again for the video I didn't even know I needed!
I've got the Horl 2 and love it. Interesting to hear about the Tumbler as you see them everywhere and I assumed it would also be pretty good. The Horl is just a very well made piece of equipment, if you value the look and feel of precision made tools then you will absolutely love it. For rolling sharpeners in general, someone skilled with a whetstone will be able to get the knife a bit sharper but although there is a bit of a knack to using the Horl, pretty much anyone can do it and it's really quick. The biggest question is what angle to sharpen your knives to. The general rule of thumb is Japanese or other high quality knives should be sharpened to 15deg, anything else to 20. Don't think that 15deg will make your knife sharper, it doesn't seem to work like that. I have found you can sharpen anything to 20 and it will get sharp. I have some Wusthof knives which are a high quality German brand, they are supposedly sharpened to 14 deg at the factory so I always used 15 deg with the Horl, and I got them sharp but was always a bit disappointed they were never razor sharp like when they were new. I experimented and started sharpening one of them to 20deg as an experiment and it actually got sharper. So my message would be experiment and find what works for you and your knives but if in doubt go with 20. As the video says you can get different discs for the Horl, I have just got the standard ones, but something that is really good is a sharpening leather strop, it really makes a difference. After honing with the ceramic disc the knife is pretty sharp but a few strokes over the strop and it transforms it to razor sharp.
Something my Horl does that I absolutely love, not sure if it's supposed to do this but I am assuming it is deliberate, if you set it down the wooden centre section appears to be slightly off balance and it rotates itself so that the Horl symbol always faces up. Small thing but its small things like that that I love!
I love honest and solid review videos like this. Very well done and I've been wanting a rolling sharpener, and this helped ease my skepticism. Guess I'll have to save up or maybe ask for it for Christmas 😅. Thanks again and God Bless you and yours!
My son got me the Tumbler for my birthday and I have had none of the issues with the rolling part you have had in the test. I wouldn't want to set a new bevel with the diamond stone, but for getting a very fine edge it seems to work well.
Awesome video
I was looking into these and due to all the ads thought the the tumbler was the original. I come to find out horl is the OG and way better than the rest. Thanks for the great content!
So glad you found this helpful! I'm trying to break through all the marketing and show you what works.
There's a saying in Germany where the Horl comes from: if you buy cheap, you buy twice... so there you go 🤓
Great and informative video 🙌🏻
more like "at least twice"
Thank you so much!
I have been looking into the rolling option but was entirely clueless on the price differentials.
TOTALLY this video.
My whetstone sharpening is better than expected. I have a large fun shaped knife which i have less patience for and assume these rolling things would assist that.
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You're better than me. I feel like my whetstones always left my knives exactly the same. But then I had a whole mess to clean up from a wet kitchen. I never really figured it out and got frustrated with trying.
There is another product from Horl called Horl 2 which only supports 20 degree angle! Question is: How do we know which angle to use 15 or 20? Or is it that either would work? Please clarify. But excellent presentation and detailed video. Awesome 👏🏼
“Worth it” style video for kitchen gadgets, great idea
Thank you. I kept looking for horl reviews and all I could find were “review” adds. This is good
You're welcome. I hope this helps.
Jusging by the comments this must have been one of the most impressive (unintentional) ads in terms of actually getting people to buy something I have personally seen haha.
Me included😂
Haha. I imagine most people are searching for this video were already curious buyers anyway... I'm glad I helped them avoid any potential disappointments.
Something to think about when purchasing anything with different price ranges doing the same thing is knowing who came up with it. They understand the product inside out, and are usually a lot more invested in fixing any shortcomings. Knock offs typically just recreate whatever the OG is without so much thought as to why. So normally you get a more fleshed out, longer lasting product with potential improvements in the future. Though there are always exceptions as with anything
Yay! A video about the original and the fakes. Tumbler had a very aggressive video campaign on TH-cam, and I am honestly sad that people bought that cheap knockoff instead of the actual HORL, which is fantastic.
Yeah. That's the real dark side of marketing.
people buy based on price tags more than anything tbh.
Also, expensive doesn't necessarily mean better. And cheap doesn't necessarily mean worse.
Always need a review on things tbh.
I thought you were about to intentionally file off the edge of that miyabi and my heart broke. So glad you didn’t 😂
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I was wondering what the skid marks were on other reviews (no one mentioned) as to the Tumbler. Will do just that, save up for the HORL. Great review, thanks.
That Taylor Swift meme was perfectly executed! 😂
Haha. I had to. 😜
Inmissssedit. What was it.. for my friend?
Great video. Keep it ip
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@@TheClintonsimmons around 2:00
the video editting for a kitchen channel is incredible !!!
Thank you so much!!
If you find it scary or overly complicated to use a whetstone i can absolutely see someone get a good quality rolling sharpener. I can see the benefit of this thing on more then just against a stone. If someone is older or wrist that hurt a lot, this can help them save money against buying new knives or paying to fix them.
I will pick a stone every time but thats because i learned it sense i was in my early teens. And i would also say that you dont need much for stones either. I have a basic stone and it has lasted over 10 years. I sharpen like one or two knives every now and then and it's always done its job, always got it back to cutting my food.
Yeah. It's all about your priorities and abilities. Whetstones definitely work. No argument there... but you made some good points about who may consider other options.
Another thing I did not realise I absolutely needed until watching a YT video. Very good comparison, id rather wait and buy quality over throw away crap
Buy nice or buy twice. 👍
I wonder if you could go cheap and just cut out circles of sandpaper to adhere to the discs, yknow?
Obviously, the ideal is to get the best one, but that's what I'd do if I was going cheap.
Personally, I like the $30 Smith's sharpening jigs. Not as convenient, but it's a stone on a guide, fairly idiot proof. Comes with many angles and grits, and even a ceramic triangular one to do serrations, as well as honing oil.
At least the one I used to have did. That was years ago, and yknow, shrinkflation and all that.
I lost it awhile ago, and usually just hone on a ceramic plate or mug's bottom. Good enough so far.
You saved me from buying the Tumblr. It's been all over my pages everywhere.
I'm glad I could be of service.
Its a good example that certain designs can be copied and give similar performance and function for a while, but the real technology is the quality of the grinding part and of course the rolling mechanism. Seeing that both aftermarket companies could not even duplicate something as simple as a stable roller displays really why they failed on the grinding disks also.
any engineer can replicate or even do better than that. The problem is those companies are usually the shitty China companies. So it's expected to be garbage.
I literally looked at Horl sharpeners for the first time yesterday. Crazy timing.
Thank you for this clear and honest review! Like many others, I've been bombarded with Tumbler ads, and I wondered whether the product would work as advertised. Saving up for a Horl now
Glad it was helpful!
I have been using the Hone rolling sharpener for about a year now. I love it! It has bearings in the casing for a nice smooth role and quality feel. The discs are diamond and double side. I wonder how it would stack up vs the Horle? Have you tried that one?
I have not. What price range was it?
Thank you for providing useful information AND for delivering that info in a very entertaining way!
2:00 skill issue
Yes. Agreed.
@TriggTube, thank you for giving us , who are time and skill poor, viable options !
Great vid, dude. Charming & witty as always. Always informative
Glad you enjoyed!
Another advantage of buying the original Horl knife sharpener instead of a knockoff is that you, the customer, helps keep Horl in business. This is, of course, assuming that Horl maintains the quality of their products (which they hopefully are wise enough to do).
Thank you for proving that point. Quality costs.
Just as a quick note. I rough sharpen my knives at 15 degree and fine finish the very cutting edge at 20. That way It is faster and save on the more expensive fine stones.
2:00 Ahahaha! x'D That made me laugh so loud! Nice little bit of editing and humbleness =) Take my upvote!
Note, I bought the tumbler had the same issue. Emailed customer support and they replaced it and the new one works perfectly
Glad they replaced it. But bummer that it happened.
I have a rolling sharpener by Kimbo, which definitely falls into the mid price point, even a bit cheaper than the Tumbler. But mine came with removable sharpening stones and the option to purchase a high grit whetstone attachment. It also rolls a lot better than what the Tumbler appears to roll in this video.
just ordered the Horl Cruise because of this video
You just saved me from buying the Tumbler. I'll be looking into the Horl 2 Cruise
I just heard there is a HORL 3 Cruise coming out soon. If you haven't bought yet... that's the move.
I have the Tumbler and been using it for a year now and I have had none of your issues, save a little of the black, but even then it stopped being an issue after the first use. Also the rolling portion of mine have never had the flaw you did. I think you just got a defective one.
My knives have been razor sharp both German steel and Japanese Steel that I use since getting the Tumbler. Tumbler also makes and odd degree angle magnet block for further options.
Ive had the same experience you did with mine. Overall Ive been happy with it.
yeah. too bad they ripped off the design and pass it off as their own.
I've have the HORL for years and it still works as good as new. Any time I see those Tumblr adds I always comment to direct people to the real deal.
Spread the word. 👍👍
I own a tumbler sharpener and Trigg's review is spot on. Just had to open a ticket with them for the dragging issue. This seems to be a known issue by them as they replaced my original purchase with no problems even though it was about 2 years old. Customer service for Tumbler was great but I still would go with a HORL. I will continue to use this newer tumbler one they sent me until it stops working again and then will switch to HORL
Good to hear it wasn't just me... yeah, I'm at the point in my life where even if they give me a replacement, I'd rather just have a good product that lasts than a product that gets regularly replaced.
For anyone who cares: I got a 20-30€ two sided wetstone on amazon like 6 years ago and after using it about 6-10 times a year on both of my knifes it is still in decent condition. It took me a couple of tries to get the movements down but after that I could get them sharpened fairly quickly. I am no expert and I am sure they're not perfectly sharpened but they are good enough.
What I mean by this is... Consider how much the convenience of getting one of these is worth for you, considering it's gonna spend most of the time in a drawer somewhere. It is VERY expensive in my opinion. Also consider this is pretty much an ad.
Thanks for giving the other option. I fully agree with your takeaways. I was making this video for people who are on the fence about WHICH rolling sharpener to get. It's absolutely a matter of preference, but this is the option if you don't have the time or desire to learn how to get good at whetstones. Personally, I tried and didn't like them.
I've got a set of top-of-the-line Japanese whetstones -- Shapton Glass in 400, 1000 and 5000 -- and the whole lot cost me about the cost of the Tumbler. The Horl is outrageously overpriced.
2:03 maybe it's not you. Internet beginner sharpening videos, recommend way too high grit stones to get into sharpening. You need to start with 200-300, maybe 400 grit stone at most, I'd recommend ~300 Japanese stone, it removes material fast, and inherently requires consistency for way less time, which is doable for novice. And you can get your knives scary sharp with just that one stone, you sharpen until you can see a visible "V" shape formed on the edge, and then you make 10 alternating strokes on the stone to deburr, and you're done.
Yeah. I started too high for sure and then bought additional hard grit stones. They were better, but I still had to take my knives to a pro to reset the edge.
I own a knock-off for about 25, it has a whetstone discs, rolls smoothly, and you can buy as many different grids replacement stones as you wish for about 5-7 bucks.
What brand is the one you have?
@@sawyerstuart9968 brand? There is no brand, just Aliexpress
Yes, thank you. I've been wanting one for a while now, and now I know which one to buy.
Glad I could help!
Diamond stones can easily get clogged with shavings, especially when using cheap ones. However they can easily be cleaned with a pencil eraser, which brings back their performance. I wonder whether this was the issue with the cheap version?
I have wet stones. It's been practice, practice. My first attempt I screwed up. But I've gotten better. It's fun, meditative and satisfying.
Yeah. If you like the practice and patience I can see that. I prefer the meditation of cutting food.
@@TriggTube Great video BTW. Got a few laughs from me. I'd buy a Horl for sure when my stones go warped.
@@TriggTubeI think it’s great that a fellow Trig is also a home chef. And you aren’t in your 80s, I’m 41, only met two people with our name. One of them was the guy I was named after.
I say “not in your 80s” because from what I’ve learned from older Nordic people is that it was a popular name in the very early 1900s. Assuming your full name is also Trygve that is.
Love it! I've never met any in person. Still waiting.
I wish I saw this vid some months earlier... I bought a not so cheap knock-off (about 90 USD). It didn't meet my expectations and I have returned it. It was not turning smoothly and after I have sharpened all my knifes, the discs felt smooth. I then have bought the Horl 2, and it is working great. In retrrospect maybe I should have invested in the Horl 2 pro to safe some time.
Glad it worked out. Sorry I didn't have the video done it time.
Nice to know! This is great, thanks! Honestly, the $20 sounds good to me - I haven't sharpened my knife since leg warmers were a thing. Next show us how to sand down our cutting boards. 😊
Yeah. At that rate. $20 could last you a lifetime I guess. Haha.
Thank you for this video I was looking at them on Amazon and I’m going to put the extra money on something that will last longer
Thanks you the man , great video really appreciate your honesty 🙆🏻♂️
The tumbler has two plastic bushing that the axil rotates on. I replaced those with brass bushing and now it works great. Bearings would be even better.
I'm a little confused...
You didn't use the expensive Japanese knife, and used a 'stainless steel' knife instead...
I work with stainless steel, and it's not magnetic. How did you make this work???
Great job breaking it down - Tumbler ads everywhere - thought I get one - but nope - going with HORL!v
Work sharp have one
I super appreciate you muting the de-sharpening process. Thank you, for real. 👍
Are you a videographer turned hobby cook? Or the other way around? Either way, your video's are very well made.
Correct. The first one. Thanks for noticing!!!
Welcome back ❤ Thanks for the review, guess I’ll invest a bit in the HORL cuz I don’t have the patience to learn stonesharpening 😅
Yeah. It's one or the other... sometimes you have to trade money for time and patience. I hope you like it. Let me know what you think.
@@TriggTubeHey mine arrived, and the quality is as solid as you say. All my dull knives are now so sharp and so much easier to work with. Thanks man 😊
Thanks for this video. I really need to get a knife sharpener and couldn't decide between putting more effort into whetstones or getting one of the rolling ones. The limitations are of course a bit disappointing, but looking at some of my German-style knives, being stopped by the bolster shouldn't really be an issue, as even originally they don't seem to have cutting edge sharpened completely down to the heel.
Well I'm glad my video reached you in time. Best of luck with freshly sharpened knives. It makes ALL the difference.
I have a belt sander, the Ken Onion edition. I use a 120 grit belt and then a 800 grit, then a leather belt. I plan on get a 1x30 belt sander for my next purchase.
Extremely informative. Thanks buddy
Glad it was helpful!
I bought a cheap 1 from China. Honestly it made my knives sharper. I also recently got an expensive damascus set (about 100 euro per knife) for my birthday, and holy moly, those are crazy sharp. Gonna look into getting the proper one.
Definitely won't use the cheap roller on that.
the highest end Horl has a geared transmission in the roller that increases the rpms of disc faster than the rolling speed. I have not seen that feature reviewed on any of the many roller sharpener videos i have watched
Yeah. In theory it would work better, but with how the Horl in the video performs, I can't imagine it being a necessary feature. For saving time or making the knives sharper. It's pretty quick and effective as is. Gilding the lily a bit I think.
There is a super long stone sharpening tutorial video of a knife sharpening master on TH-cam, where he also explains the difference between stone and ceramic. Since stone is way harder than metal it shouldn't wear down, all you need is rinse the metal particals out with water. Ceramic on the other hand has finer or grippier pores (or smth like that) and you almost can't rinse it sufficiently (e.g. the metallic marks of spoons in white mugs don't even come off in the dishwasher). So the cheap roller one might last way longer if you just rinse it.
Why not just say who it is? Burrrfection?
Love this video format. Keep up the good work
Thanks!
I would love to see a follow up video or short of you testing the Work Sharp rolling knife sharpener and comparing it to the Horl.
I think prudent reviews made that video already... I've gotta move on to the next product unfortunately. Haha. My poor knife has taken enough abuse for now.
Thank you for the good video! I really enjoyed it!
Thanks for the comment! I'm glad you liked it !
I bought a Horl system 2 years ago. I do like it.
It's worth noting that regardless of how well any of these sharpen your knife, they'll never be able to thin it when sharpening eventually widens the cutting edge, which is a major disadvantage
True. True.
I have a knock off roller ($90'ish) and it's really good. It does leave some black lines but it rolls very nicely and has 6 discs. It does a great job, but it is a minefield out there to get a good one. For disc options, customer service etc, it's a good bet to go with HORL. "Good" whetsones are seriously expensive and unless you have good technique, you don't get the benefit. (like me). But put the practise in and nothing comes close to sharpness and versatility. I've just got a dedicated little knife spirit level that helps, but I just suck at moving my arms straight to keep the angle!
Whats it called? The sticker shock of the Horl is a little too much for me
@@Shmoge I got it off Temu. Not sure if I should/can post links but it’s Tumbler Rolling Knife Sharpener and angle block is a square with 4 angles which is great for my range of knives.
This is interesting. I wonder if Tumbler just has poor quality control. I had never heard of a barrel knife sharpener. I saw an ad for Tumbler and put it on my Christmas list. I ended up getting it one year. Mine doesn’t have those issues. It is fairly old, so maybe from an original production run where they were hand building them? Or maybe it just needs to be broken in? Who knows. But mine doesn’t make any noises and rolls just fine. It doesn’t freely spin like the HORL brand though, that looked awesome.
I’ve enjoyed it so much, that this makes me want to get the premium brand now!
Yeah. I hadn't seen other videos online with the squeak, but most other reviews have the same problem with free rolling. Quality control IS a concern though for sure.
Your video presentation made the topic of the video very entertaining to watch!
I'm so glad!! Thanks!
I didn’t know that HORL was the original so I got Tumbler. It worked well on the first use (so far) and it didn’t have that issue with rotation. Maybe you’ve got a defective unit?
Possibly, but I researched it, and a few other people have reported the same issue I had. Regardless, even when brand new and unused, it doesn't rotate freely.
My grandpa taught me how to sharpen my knife(s) on the bottom of a mug and a really nice leather strip a long time ago, it's a bit rustic, but i know only to use it on my older knives. Removes way too much metal and is way too rough on the blade to use it on a new one.
That being said, i hope you find a use for that many sliced carrots! Room for some carrot cake, maybe?
Haha. Great idea. I've got SOOOOO MANY CARRROTS!!! (I learned the mug trick living it China. It is clutch in airbnbs with bad knives too. 😁👍)
@@TriggTube Ahh... Taking a mug to a shoddy knife can really make a day and night difference. Sad the sharpen on those knives really just lasts about as long as you spent sharpening them.
Hope we get to see the cake! Love to see everyone's unique takes on them. 😊
Growing up in a cheap Asian family I’ve learned to use almost anything to sharpen a knife knife lmao 😂
Got my rolling sharpener from temu for 10 bucks. Works perfect.
My tumbler has actually been doing really good. You might have had a bad unit. I’ve had none of those issues you had with it.
wow you must have been looking at my browser history! ive been getting ads for that tumbler brand roller and was interested in it after debating getting into the stones... never seen any ads for the original though! highly considering now
Glad you saw it in time... hope this helps with whatever you decide. 👍👍
Great video, your long form content is amazing! Well edited with some fun inserted into it makes for a very good and attention-grabbing video. Also nice that you exposed this tumbler cash grab :)
Thanks! Yeah. I didn't have super high hopes, but I would say it shattered my low expectations. Haha
A chefschoice electric sharpener is actually cheaper than the horl (currently $144 on amazon). That's what I have. It's just as idiot proof and I'm pretty sure it works just as well. I whip mine out once or twice a year. It can get the knives into paper slicing territory.
I've never used an electric. Another commenter liked those as well. I'm curious.
I love the duck sound of the tumbler.
Well, I'm sold on the HORL
Thank you for this useful review of knockoff sharpeners, Knockoff Zac Efron!
Great review! Now please can you make a video on how to sand a cutting board? Thanks man.
I got a horl for 2 years now and it lokks like new .. i think the money was worth it 😄
Inadvertently an expose video against those Tumbler guys. I see their YTShorts all the time and it always seemed sketchy the way they showed their sharpener which made me click "Do Not Recommend This Channel" (Plus to me they came off across as high-and-mighty and stuck-up. Like "our sharpener is the ONLY choice and anything else you use is garbage" kind of vibe.)
My cousin asked why because she thought they looked amazing, and yet I denied it, and with this demonstration/showcase video of the Tumbler, I sort of feel vindicated in a way.
when this thing came out. My first impression of it was dangerous, because if you slip and cut you self. And even if you are careful, the knife blade facing up doesn't say "i got this", it say " i don't have control of this knife!!" when it decide to pop off the magnet.
my first impression was " oh....fml,most my knives are hunting and combat knives and wont work with limited angle,size,blade coverage etc etc"
- Doesn't want to sacrifice an expensive Miyabi..
- .. So he uses a Zwilling.
Granted it's not as expensive but I love how a Zwilling is the "sacrifice".
True. But any cheaper and it wouldn't be a good test. I thought about using my $4 knife from my previous video. Haha. But that would fail no matter what. It's basically made of aluminum foil.
I had to pause the video to comment this. Nothing lasts a lifetime. There is no diamond sharpener that lasts a lifetime because those small diamond particles fell of slowly when you use the disc or a plate or whatever. Diamond is harder than steel but the problem is that those particles are glued to the surface of sharpener and as you sharpen on them they slowly fell of. Not actually glued but there are few different techniques how thats made, but the point is that no matter what, with time your disc will loose those diamond particles and become useless piece of steel.
I got a knock off on ali express and it freaking rocks. Was 35€ and it works incredibly well
Think it also works with the same replacement discs
Thank you so much for saving me time and money
I think work sharp has the best version of this! It's a lot safer cause the blade isn't facing you and the stones/grit is interchangeable.
It really hurts to watch people use the ones that have the knife facing them 😭😭