@@paulh4943 unfortunately not, as I experienced last week on my Suzuki boulevard. Replaced the tyre with a tubeless but advised by the bike shop it won't inflate on spoked rims and needs a tube as well.
I just watched your spoked and mag wheel video. I was taught at a motorcycle school for mechanics that there is a major difference between the two types of wheels. That is how they carry the weight of the motorcycle. A cast wheel carries the weight between the bottom of the rim as it sits on the ground and the axle whereas a spoked wheel carries the weight between the top of the rim and the axle. Basically a cast wheel supports the axle and on a spoked wheel the axle is " hung" from the top of the rim. What this means for performance or rideability, I don't know. But if you think about it, it is true. Spokes are not strong enough to support the weight of the bike from below.
Power shifting is pretty much like regular shifting except you do not let off the throttle when shifting to the next gear. I don't recommend this on a bike. I think it is used more in cars. I could see things going very wrong very quick on a bike.
I just explained power shifting. It is not like clutchless shifting or having a quickshifter. Quickshifters and clutchless shiffiting work the same way. They both momentarily cut the throttle at the same time the shift occurs. The only difference is that clutchless shifting requires the an individual to close the throttle while a quickshifter causes the throttle to cut automatically by telling the computer when the shift is happening. With power shifting you do NOT let off the throttle when you shift. You keep the throttle wide open and make the shift. This allows the engine to produce more power right when the clutch engages.
We also have the one piece *carbon fibre* wheels, like on the Ducati Superleggera, probably perform the same as alloy wheels but are just wayyyylighter.
In case you didn't look them up they are Total Price: £2,670.71 (Including VAT at 20%) Plush shipping. Those magnesium wheels might come out a few bucks less
With the potholes of our poor infrastructure, wire wheels have an extra reason for road use. It's so great to see a comparison of the 2 types. I started really liking wire spoke wheels, because of how customizable & personal they are. It's easy to replace damaged parts. but it's also easy to change the rim diameter & width, and keep the same hub. I don't have to find some company, to cast & form me, a fully custom wheel, when I want to use different tires. I'm learning how to professionally lace & true wire wheels. It seems very therapeutic. Those are my reasons, but I never thought about the extra durability of them. As for light weight. Titanium spokes exist. And at least for bicycles, there are carbonfiber rims. I haven't yet looked up carbonfiber rims for motorcycles. But I know carbonfiber wheels exist, for bicycles, motorcycles, and cars. Very strong & light, just very expressive.
@@sandydennylives1392 , false, cf has been proven to be stronger than steel in most cases and definitely stronger than aluminium rims, all wheels have a weight limit, but cf rims don't have a lower weight limit than aluminium ones so no they are not for very light riders. The main reasons to get cf rims are well, firstly they are a lot lighter and as such improve acceleration, they are stiffer making them corner better and lastly they absorb vibrations better. I can vouch for cf rims as i went from hope tech4 aluminium rims to mavic cf ones, they felt much more responsive and the grip and acceleration was phenomenal. Cons to cf rims are well the obvious high pricing couple that with the fact that in the event of a crash they are more likely to snap in half than bend or buckle but if you're crashing hard enough to break cf rims then you don't deserve them and should stick to aluminium.
@@0_K_0 I'm just not in the market for 2K wheels. A CF frame has an MpA rating of a couple of 100, my steel 1200. I simply don't trust it, and my bike shop refused to sell me a CF even though it would be more money for them, when they built up my elite, now stolen, steel; that was 1400 MpA.
Thorough, succinct, straight to the point. Informative, educational, confidently conveyed with a clarity that serves to impart a certain credibility upon the messenger, leaving no doubt on factual content of the message. BRAVO !
As far as rigidity goes, a wire spoke wheel can do about the same as a good mag. Some flex can help. It will not do too bad in the weight department either if you use a good alloy rim. To get sufficient stiffness you need to run an alloy rim.. Most steel rims flex at the spoke entry allowing the wheel to twist some. I've always seen a pretty drastic improvement when going from steel to alloy rims.
I like spokes, I have seen lot of cracked alloys on bad roads to be comfortable with them. The worst I had with spokes was a bent spoke when I crashed into a ditch. Came back replaced it good to go again.
In the 1970s Honda used a cross between spokes and solid alloy - Comstar, it was called I believe. It looked more like a cast wheel but had about 4 - 5 " steel spokes. Honda said that they offered the best of both worlds - tubeless rims and the flexibility of steel. I had them on my CX500. Never had a problem with them but apparently they did not look quite right for the customers and were discontinued. Care to comment on them?
today I powder coated (rust free forever) my spoke wheel 18" rims into shiny Royal Blue, put new chrome spokes and painted the drums matt black, they look awesome! like something very expensive and unique. would apply lemon yellow slim and decent stickers later. I realize they are also heavy after I put 45psi in rear tire. so it means alloys would be more heavier. I was overhauling my code name "Storm" I dropped the idea of alloys as too expensive, fear of damage and I ran out of money because of this guy who keeps making nice videos!!!!! ❤️from🇵🇰
You also left out that when cast wheels fail, they fail catastrophically most of the time. Especially harder materials like aluminium and magnesium alloys. Spoked wheels will never shatter on you. For road use a spoked front and alloy back will work as the majority of catastrophic failures that'll kill you are front wheel based.
@@sneakerjoe23 he did say that but it was in reference to the spoked wheels being easier to repair, not that they could be safer when a failure occurs. It is an easy inference to make from his statements, and pretty obvious and self evident. I bet he intentionally didn't specifically say it to avoid offending all the militant crotch rocket squids. Or maybe it's a hot take because it could imply that motorcycle manufacturers are sacrificing (a little) safety for profit. Anyway, imo spoked>mag because durability and low maintenance is my prime concern in owning a bike.
I had a Spirograph as a kid so spoked wheels are my fav. There's also something to be said for the "ancient" technology keeping up with the times. Mag wheels have their merits but they necessarily better, just different.
One thing that wasn´t mentioned is that when a tube punctures, it pops like a balloon, letting all the air out at once, something very dangerous needless to say. This happened to me on the freeway last year on my bike that runs wire wheels with an inner tube. My rear tire suddenly went completely flat. How I didn´t lose control of the bike I have no idea. I was able to stop gradually using only the front brake. But if I had lost it, I would have gone down hard. For that reason I stay away from tubed wire wheels now.
Hec Thor, same here. That's why I don't like tube tires. Had punctures and leaking valves. After I changed to cast rims that uses tubeless, no worries. My bike is a Honda VTX 1300S but using the R series wheels
+Jo-han Goh what about sealing a spiked rim? I've read there are tube rims that have a bead lip but not sure which mfgr/models do and don't but makes it a cheaper conversion than using custom rims for a tubeless 17" tire
The Kineo spoked wheel to the left of you has a solid rim, no seals necessary, and is therefore tubeless. It prbably wont give as much as a normal spoked rim because of rhe added thickness to the rim which means it is likely less durable and more rigid. It would be nice if you could have mentioned the properties of this wheel design as it lies somewhere in between. Great vid :)
In normal spark plugs Copper conducts better and is generally used in higher-performance/modified engines. Iridium and platinum plugs are chosen for their longevity only. You shouldn't gap iridiums because of potential damage to the tips. For that reason and their inferior conductivity, they aren't used in modified engines. Keep in mind their price, as well.
Dokar Face Its is actually the complete opposite from what you said. Iridium plugs are higher performance because they provide a hotter spark and thus less durability. Stock plugs have the most durability but the least performance.
I'd like a video on the naming conventions of some bikes, like FZs, GSXR, KLR, etc... or just a breakdown of the differences of single, twins, tripples, and the other engine types and layouts (power, characteristics, blah blah blah)
@@tinkert3100 you would be surprised. There are a lot of people who don't know the difference between single and multi cylinder engines. All they care about is the max power.
add to that -alloys can be made to look like just about anything...spokes get you..well; spokes -alloys are part of the 'set it and forget it' type bike for commuting and touring .. (right along with shaft drive )
I rented a BMW 1200GS from RawHyde Adventures for their off-road training and "Basecamp Alpha" excursions. My bike had the stock aluminum wheels and was just fine. I asked the trainers there how often they have problems with bent rims - they were clear that is was extremely rare (if ever). I expect that this is only an issue for really aggressive riding and very rocky terrain.
I've never felt a handling advantage from cast wheels and once they get some serious miles usually the opposite. Other things, even changing the fork oil, make a much bigger difference in feel.
Surely this vid missed the essential difference between the two. One type is easy to clean, the other is a pain, and you end up with rust in places you'd rather not have it.
love your vids ! do a video next please on engine designs and lay outs :) 1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 cylinders and how it affects powerband torque rev limit etc etc always been curious why certain manufacturers choose different engine set ups for the same class of bikes with the same or similar cc/hp
I daily a motocross bike. Spoke wheels are all fun and shiny and most importantly way better looking than alloy wheels we can all agree on this. But they’re giving me a really bard time as they require some sort of extra care and maintenance. I’ve been thinking about going for a sumo conversion (17” front and back, instead of 21/18) on one hand the price is the only thing holding me back and I’m considering a pair of alloy wheels instead. What do you guys think ? That if if anyone ever sees this comment, and thank you in advance.
I have these Kineo wheels. They are excellent. Build quality is superbe and they are so light than the stock wheels that I had. Very well balanced as well. They made my XJR 1300 2016 feel so nimble and reactive. They look sick as well.
@Ari Nice work. Your videos are full of content, knowledge and less of jargon. I have one request though. What is your fitness regime and what kind of races you involve in? As a fan of your work, just wanted to know this. Thanks and keep making more of these videos.
Thanks guys for another proper video. In my case, Speed Triple R 2016, the spoke wheels are 1.5kg heavier than the stock alloy wheels. And that does affect the riding and launching mode vastly. It is still sweet and powerful, but not like with the stock wheels. On the other hand, the bike feels much more smoother on uneven terrain and in places like my city, Bogota, that's a treat you can say no to! so very happy my spoke wheels. It all depends on what you are after: Cool Look or sweet performance.
Flex, strength, and rigidity can be somewhat controlled in wire wheels during the building process. For example, close to 100% of motorcycle wheels are built with a 2 cross pattern. This is to give some flex which would be totally absent if it was built with a radial pattern. But this needn't be a limitation, higher cross patterns can be used, limited by the number of spokes, and the diameters of rim and hub. Four cross patterns were routinely used in competitive road bicycles back in the days of 36 hole rims with low flange hubs. These wheels could take a lot of punishment. About 30 years ago I stripped a comstar wheel and spun up a couple of discs to carry the spokes. I fitted a 40 hole rim using a 3 cross with 8 gauge spokes for a front wheel. I've only ever tuned that wheel once during that time. It is extremely strong while still delivering a very forgiving ride as far as the rim is concerned. The main limitation in using heavy spokes is the strength of the rim (they can develop longitudinal cracks from the holes if insufficient), and that enough meat is on the flanges of the hub (insufficient meat can cause breakage, probably only involving a single spoke). For motorcycles, it is important that the rims are "blistered" where the spokes enter, and that these are accurately drilled for the desired cross pattern. For anyone contemplating taking this route, I would highly recommend an insistence that the spoke threads be greased, preferably with moly grease. For some unfathomable reason, most builders do it dry. Probably because they are either stupid or lazy, maybe because they like doing rebuilds when the nipples are all frozen.
This channel is simply astonishing. Videos are very informative and simple to understand even for people, who are new to motorcycling community. Keep 'em coming!
I had been thinking about getting some spoked wheels for my XSR900 as a styling exercise. But now, I shall keep the stock cast alloy wheels. Great video.
Out of the usual box, I pull a trailer when I camp, and we totally thrash the mountains when we go. I got sick of breaking rear spokes on my much-modded Harley, so put Fatboy wheels on my Heritage. Solved the problem, but those babies NEED the stage 2 engine: they weigh 36lbs apiece!
That spoke wheel is damn beautiful.
I wonder if they fit a drz400 sm?
@@H.D.B.23 they are probably worth more than your entire DRZ..
Except when you get a puncture!
Curiosity Rover it's tubeless.
@@paulh4943 unfortunately not, as I experienced last week on my Suzuki boulevard. Replaced the tyre with a tubeless but advised by the bike shop it won't inflate on spoked rims and needs a tube as well.
You gotta admit alloy wheels on a classic bike are slightly disturbing
@@anshmittu2439 they look cool to you because you must be a kid and your dp has "i like alloys on classic bike" written all over it
@@anshmittu2439 i have never said "you shoudn't like them" have i?
@@dr.abhishek_arya just agree to disagree
Now boys, don't make me stop this car. Bike
Yup. I think classic bikes should just stay with spoked wheels.
Riding 36 yrs, and ive just learned something new. Thanks for that.
that spoked wheel is SEXY!
That is a kineo rim which is why it's sexy
Wish I could say same ... I keep truing wheels at my bike project and seen enough of them (not motorbike ones)
John B
When it comes to spokes, once you go black....
I just watched your spoked and mag wheel video. I was taught at a motorcycle school for mechanics that there is a major difference between the two types of wheels.
That is how they carry the weight of the motorcycle. A cast wheel carries the weight between the bottom of the rim as it sits on the ground and the axle whereas a spoked wheel carries the weight between the top of the rim and the axle.
Basically a cast wheel supports the axle and on a spoked wheel the axle is " hung" from the top of the rim.
What this means for performance or rideability, I don't know. But if you think about it, it is true. Spokes are not strong enough to support the weight of the bike from below.
Yet ANOTHER excellent video covering a somewhat complex and controversial motorcycle topic. Great job!
Agreed!
there is nothing complex about it, mags for on road and spoked for off road simplez
Agreed x 2
Hi. What brand is the wire wheel on your video ?
I'm looking for my bmw f800gs tubeless wire wheel
Thanks for the answer.
P. Sosns / Spoked wheels brand: Kineo
I appreciate the comparisons and you guys teaching the differences of each. Great channel.
Do a video on Clutch-less shifting (power shifting) versus a quickshifter versus regular shifting
Where are your manners? If you included a "please" you would have a thumb up more.
Well clutch-less shifting and power shifting are two different things. Also there are tons of videos on the subject already.
Power shifting is pretty much like regular shifting except you do not let off the throttle when shifting to the next gear. I don't recommend this on a bike. I think it is used more in cars. I could see things going very wrong very quick on a bike.
up for this!
I just explained power shifting. It is not like clutchless shifting or having a quickshifter. Quickshifters and clutchless shiffiting work the same way. They both momentarily cut the throttle at the same time the shift occurs. The only difference is that clutchless shifting requires the an individual to close the throttle while a quickshifter causes the throttle to cut automatically by telling the computer when the shift is happening.
With power shifting you do NOT let off the throttle when you shift. You keep the throttle wide open and make the shift. This allows the engine to produce more power right when the clutch engages.
Visit every so often as your titles catch my attention.Once again you are still the best with plain no nonsence explanations.
We also have the one piece *carbon fibre* wheels, like on the Ducati Superleggera, probably perform the same as alloy wheels but are just wayyyylighter.
I gasped at that bent up alloy wheel
Shazy Satania they did it during one of their superbike shootouts. It's from the ZX10R
Shazy Satania ugh ikr
It gave me cold chills
I gasped when he chucked that wheel on that lovely hondas tank
I lol'ed out loud.
You are great Ari! You explain technical topics in a way anyone can understand.
that wire spoke wheel in the video!! im in love!!!!
That's a Kineo wire spoke wheel, check out Brock's Performance for details.
KTM Trooper the spoked wheel are marchesini magnesium 😁
In case you didn't look them up they are
Total Price: £2,670.71 (Including VAT at 20%)
Plush shipping. Those magnesium wheels might come out a few bucks less
Carrozzeria has some pretty sweet wheels too. More affordable, forged aluminum.
www.forged-wheel.com/
KTM Trooper .its the best stronger that pertty rims lol....
This channel is AWESOME, needs more subs !!!! Keep up the good work guys!
I was thinking about this in morning...and saw this video in evening... what magic is this?
Google is watching you always... even when you are sleeping... AI.. spooky 👻
With the potholes of our poor infrastructure, wire wheels have an extra reason for road use. It's so great to see a comparison of the 2 types. I started really liking wire spoke wheels, because of how customizable & personal they are.
It's easy to replace damaged parts. but it's also easy to change the rim diameter & width, and keep the same hub. I don't have to find some company, to cast & form me, a fully custom wheel, when I want to use different tires. I'm learning how to professionally lace & true wire wheels. It seems very therapeutic.
Those are my reasons, but I never thought about the extra durability of them. As for light weight. Titanium spokes exist. And at least for bicycles, there are carbonfiber rims. I haven't yet looked up carbonfiber rims for motorcycles. But I know carbonfiber wheels exist, for bicycles, motorcycles, and cars. Very strong & light, just very expressive.
CF wheels on push bikes are for v. lightweight riders, have a weight limit and I wouldn't go near them. Not nearly as durable as alloy.
@@sandydennylives1392 , false, cf has been proven to be stronger than steel in most cases and definitely stronger than aluminium rims, all wheels have a weight limit, but cf rims don't have a lower weight limit than aluminium ones so no they are not for very light riders. The main reasons to get cf rims are well, firstly they are a lot lighter and as such improve acceleration, they are stiffer making them corner better and lastly they absorb vibrations better. I can vouch for cf rims as i went from hope tech4 aluminium rims to mavic cf ones, they felt much more responsive and the grip and acceleration was phenomenal. Cons to cf rims are well the obvious high pricing couple that with the fact that in the event of a crash they are more likely to snap in half than bend or buckle but if you're crashing hard enough to break cf rims then you don't deserve them and should stick to aluminium.
@@0_K_0 I'm just not in the market for 2K wheels. A CF frame has an MpA rating of a couple of 100, my steel 1200. I simply don't trust it, and my bike shop refused to sell me a CF even though it would be more money for them, when they built up my elite, now stolen, steel; that was 1400 MpA.
Thorough, succinct, straight to the point. Informative, educational, confidently conveyed with a clarity that serves to impart a certain credibility upon the messenger, leaving no doubt on factual content of the message. BRAVO !
As far as rigidity goes, a wire spoke wheel can do about the same as a good mag. Some flex can help. It will not do too bad in the weight department either if you use a good alloy rim. To get sufficient stiffness you need to run an alloy rim.. Most steel rims flex at the spoke entry allowing the wheel to twist some. I've always seen a pretty drastic improvement when going from steel to alloy rims.
I like spokes, I have seen lot of cracked alloys on bad roads to be comfortable with them.
The worst I had with spokes was a bent spoke when I crashed into a ditch. Came back replaced it good to go again.
In the 1970s Honda used a cross between spokes and solid alloy - Comstar, it was called I believe. It looked more like a cast wheel but had about 4 - 5 " steel spokes. Honda said that they offered the best of both worlds - tubeless rims and the flexibility of steel. I had them on my CX500. Never had a problem with them but apparently they did not look quite right for the customers and were discontinued. Care to comment on them?
I find the MC garage very helpful for a novice to get up to speed. Great stuff!
Great video! That was a question that I've had for a loooooong time. Cheers from Brazil!
It's been couple of days since I found your channel. Can stop but binge watch :)
I learn something new with each video. Thanks MC Garage!
how have i not seen this channel, so well put together and informative. well done
I don't have a motorcycle, but this was still really interesting to watch!
today I powder coated (rust free forever) my spoke wheel 18" rims into shiny Royal Blue, put new chrome spokes and painted the drums matt black, they look awesome! like something very expensive and unique. would apply lemon yellow slim and decent stickers later. I realize they are also heavy after I put 45psi in rear tire. so it means alloys would be more heavier. I was overhauling my code name "Storm" I dropped the idea of alloys as too expensive, fear of damage and I ran out of money because of this guy who keeps making nice videos!!!!!
❤️from🇵🇰
This is a great video on something I didn't even know I wanted you guys to do a video on.
Your explanation never fail me. Good job guys..
Thank's for doing this...
I never knew the difference between them.
Excellent Video
Spoke wheel lover here 💥
I hit the like button when I saw the wheel roll in. Not even sure how the rest of the video is yet!
You also left out that when cast wheels fail, they fail catastrophically most of the time. Especially harder materials like aluminium and magnesium alloys. Spoked wheels will never shatter on you. For road use a spoked front and alloy back will work as the majority of catastrophic failures that'll kill you are front wheel based.
He literally said they fail and held up and destroyed wheel did you watch the video
ive had a spoke snap and stab the inner tube once but the rest of the rim was ok, your right its scary to see alloys bust
it was a wire spoke wheel that did that
but I still agree with your point
@@sneakerjoe23 he did say that but it was in reference to the spoked wheels being easier to repair, not that they could be safer when a failure occurs. It is an easy inference to make from his statements, and pretty obvious and self evident. I bet he intentionally didn't specifically say it to avoid offending all the militant crotch rocket squids. Or maybe it's a hot take because it could imply that motorcycle manufacturers are sacrificing (a little) safety for profit.
Anyway, imo spoked>mag because durability and low maintenance is my prime concern in owning a bike.
@@sneakerjoe23 That was Kawasaki's wheel. Marchesini wouldn't fail.
I can watch MC garage Ryan F9 RevZilla STG and MC Rider videos all day. You are so entertaining.
i had requested this video so glad you made it 😇 keep up the good work ✌ thankyou and Namaste from India🙏
I had a Spirograph as a kid so spoked wheels are my fav. There's also something to be said for the "ancient" technology keeping up with the times. Mag wheels have their merits but they necessarily better, just different.
Mag wheels can run tubeless,and therefore can be plugged on the road. A HUGE advantage!
Spoked wheels can actually be modded to be tubeless. And there are setups like tubliss for bikes that are only on dirt
Plenty of spoked wheels are tubeless, and any can be modded to be.
why should it be modded by an individual? it should be manufactured like that.
Another great video. I love how informative the channel is with these videos.
One thing that wasn´t mentioned is that when a tube punctures, it pops like a balloon, letting all the air out at once, something very dangerous needless to say. This happened to me on the freeway last year on my bike that runs wire wheels with an inner tube. My rear tire suddenly went completely flat. How I didn´t lose control of the bike I have no idea. I was able to stop gradually using only the front brake. But if I had lost it, I would have gone down hard. For that reason I stay away from tubed wire wheels now.
Hec Thor, Spot on, experienced that several times over the years and friends haven't been so lucky.
Hec Thor, same here. That's why I don't like tube tires. Had punctures and leaking valves. After I changed to cast rims that uses tubeless, no worries. My bike is a Honda VTX 1300S but using the R series wheels
+Jo-han Goh what about sealing a spiked rim? I've read there are tube rims that have a bead lip but not sure which mfgr/models do and don't but makes it a cheaper conversion than using custom rims for a tubeless 17" tire
+Chris Morse spoked*
Chris Morse, never seen a road legal sealing system for 17" rims. Neither would l trust one.
The Kineo spoked wheel to the left of you has a solid rim, no seals necessary, and is therefore tubeless. It prbably wont give as much as a normal spoked rim because of rhe added thickness to the rim which means it is likely less durable and more rigid. It would be nice if you could have mentioned the properties of this wheel design as it lies somewhere in between. Great vid :)
Rims on spoked wheels should flex. But what i can see on kineo is that are is rigid as the alloyed one
this channel is so straightforward
These education videos are great. They are thorough and unbiased. Love the effort and work you guys and gals put into MC Garage.
Regular VS Iridium sparkplugs.
In normal spark plugs Copper conducts better and is generally used in higher-performance/modified engines.
Iridium and platinum plugs are chosen for their longevity only. You shouldn't gap iridiums because of potential damage to the tips. For that reason and their inferior conductivity, they aren't used in modified engines. Keep in mind their price, as well.
Dokar Face Its is actually the complete opposite from what you said. Iridium plugs are higher performance because they provide a hotter spark and thus less durability. Stock plugs have the most durability but the least performance.
Dokar Face Sorry about my last comment. You are indeed correct.
Preston Bailey it's all right bro.. Ride safe..
just go with what the manufacturer recommends
I'd like a video on the naming conventions of some bikes, like FZs, GSXR, KLR, etc... or just a breakdown of the differences of single, twins, tripples, and the other engine types and layouts (power, characteristics, blah blah blah)
KTM is the worst with name. Once you know it is not bad, but outsiders looking in it is terrible.
Single cylinder engine: 1 piston and 1 cylinder in engine
Twin cylinder engine: 2 piston and 2 cylinders in engine
And so on..
@@kooler999ify Does your mama think you are clever? She is likely the only one.
@@tinkert3100 you would be surprised. There are a lot of people who don't know the difference between single and multi cylinder engines. All they care about is the max power.
i fucking love that you make learning fast, easy and fun. keep on making the road safer bro!
thanks Ari... as usual a great show and you leave armchair mechanics like me speechless as you hit every aspect
Another great episode, thanks Ari!
At last, the answer to my question in your previous video. Thanks Ari for replying!
add to that
-alloys can be made to look like just about anything...spokes get you..well; spokes
-alloys are part of the 'set it and forget it' type bike for commuting and touring .. (right along with shaft drive )
@MythSlasher same with spoke is set and forget but depends if can get it tru just right and they won’t become out of tru at all
I rented a BMW 1200GS from RawHyde Adventures for their off-road training and "Basecamp Alpha" excursions. My bike had the stock aluminum wheels and was just fine. I asked the trainers there how often they have problems with bent rims - they were clear that is was extremely rare (if ever). I expect that this is only an issue for really aggressive riding and very rocky terrain.
Those wire-spoked wheels are just awesome!
Even I say, brilliantly thought out and presented, well done.
always wondered about this debate.... great topic choice brosef
Straight to the point! Thats a Big Plus!
How often do spoke wheels need to be adjusted or trued? To the spokes come loose?
I've never felt a handling advantage from cast wheels and once they get some serious miles usually the opposite. Other things, even changing the fork oil, make a much bigger difference in feel.
When cast wheels first came out, I REALLY wanted a bike with them (yeah, I'm that old). Now that they're the norm, guess what...
Surely this vid missed the essential difference between the two. One type is easy to clean, the other is a pain, and you end up with rust in places you'd rather not have it.
I've got Kineo wheels on my XJR1300 like the one in the vid. Best thing I did to my bike :)
love your vids !
do a video next please on engine designs and lay outs :) 1 vs 2 vs 3 vs 4 cylinders and how it affects powerband torque rev limit etc etc
always been curious why certain manufacturers choose different engine set ups for the same class of bikes with the same or similar cc/hp
Very informative... Now I know why. Thank you MC Garage!
Clear, concise, and informative. Thank you.
I was pondering this earlier today. Great video thnx!
As always, good job Ari with another informative topic!
Perfect and insightful video as always. Thanks guys!
Clean and to the point presentation. I loved it
I daily a motocross bike. Spoke wheels are all fun and shiny and most importantly way better looking than alloy wheels we can all agree on this.
But they’re giving me a really bard time as they require some sort of extra care and maintenance. I’ve been thinking about going for a sumo conversion (17” front and back, instead of 21/18) on one hand the price is the only thing holding me back and I’m considering a pair of alloy wheels instead. What do you guys think ?
That if if anyone ever sees this comment, and thank you in advance.
Another great video, Ari.
I have these Kineo wheels. They are excellent. Build quality is superbe and they are so light than the stock wheels that I had. Very well balanced as well. They made my XJR 1300 2016 feel so nimble and reactive. They look sick as well.
That *Gold* and *Black* spoke wheel is *BadAsss..* I want one for my Royal Enfield
There are pressed disc wheels also.Well explained 💯
Very illuminating....loved my spoked wheels...though screamed at them when punctured...one area where cast is clearly better
OMG I was about to recommend this video 👍👍👍
When alloy wheels first came out they were the rage of the day. These days there's nothing more beautiful than a classic spoked wheel.
Kineo spoked wheels looking great, especially this black gold is my favourite compination.
@Ari Nice work. Your videos are full of content, knowledge and less of jargon. I have one request though. What is your fitness regime and what kind of races you involve in? As a fan of your work, just wanted to know this. Thanks and keep making more of these videos.
Thanks guys for another proper video. In my case, Speed Triple R 2016, the spoke wheels are 1.5kg heavier than the stock alloy wheels. And that does affect the riding and launching mode vastly. It is still sweet and powerful, but not like with the stock wheels. On the other hand, the bike feels much more smoother on uneven terrain and in places like my city, Bogota, that's a treat you can say no to! so very happy my spoke wheels. It all depends on what you are after: Cool Look or sweet performance.
This answers a question I've often wondered about.... Thanks.
I love my spiked custom, but being able to plug a hole and finish a ride is very desirable also!
Anyone else saw the spoke wheel rpm match with the camera frame rate and caused a stable-ish effect at 0:55 ?
Good breakdown. I learned a few things
Mag wheels plus point: they are much quicker to clean. Spokes take a lot more time to clean individually. Good video, thanks.
Flex, strength, and rigidity can be somewhat controlled in wire wheels during the building process. For example, close to 100% of motorcycle wheels are built with a 2 cross pattern. This is to give some flex which would be totally absent if it was built with a radial pattern. But this needn't be a limitation, higher cross patterns can be used, limited by the number of spokes, and the diameters of rim and hub. Four cross patterns were routinely used in competitive road bicycles back in the days of 36 hole rims with low flange hubs. These wheels could take a lot of punishment. About 30 years ago I stripped a comstar wheel and spun up a couple of discs to carry the spokes. I fitted a 40 hole rim using a 3 cross with 8 gauge spokes for a front wheel. I've only ever tuned that wheel once during that time. It is extremely strong while still delivering a very forgiving ride as far as the rim is concerned. The main limitation in using heavy spokes is the strength of the rim (they can develop longitudinal cracks from the holes if insufficient), and that enough meat is on the flanges of the hub (insufficient meat can cause breakage, probably only involving a single spoke). For motorcycles, it is important that the rims are "blistered" where the spokes enter, and that these are accurately drilled for the desired cross pattern. For anyone contemplating taking this route, I would highly recommend an insistence that the spoke threads be greased, preferably with moly grease. For some unfathomable reason, most builders do it dry. Probably because they are either stupid or lazy, maybe because they like doing rebuilds when the nipples are all frozen.
This channel is dope AF.
This channel is simply astonishing. Videos are very informative and simple to understand even for people, who are new to motorcycling community. Keep 'em coming!
bro ,can you explain the difference about dual sport bike,street bike and hyper bike ?
I had been thinking about getting some spoked wheels for my XSR900 as a styling exercise.
But now, I shall keep the stock cast alloy wheels.
Great video.
Thanks for answering my question!
You should do a video on the benefits/drawbacks of more exotic wheels like Forged aluminum, magnesium and carbon wheels.
I always learn something. Excellent!
Love the videos keep em coming
Thank you much buddy 👍🤝 you are a classy reviewer and I always seek your advise 👍 God bless 🙏
Awesome video, Ari
Good explanation .... nice videos brother ... my lots of doubts got cleared ...
Well presented, well spoken.
Very informative, thanks Ari!
Absolutely learned something. Thanks.
mc garage episode on the electric bike vs gas powdered. You know they're gaining popularity so fast. plz and thank you.
That spoke wheel on Duke 390 would be an art
Out of the usual box, I pull a trailer when I camp, and we totally thrash the mountains when we go. I got sick of breaking rear spokes on my much-modded Harley, so put Fatboy wheels on my Heritage. Solved the problem, but those babies NEED the stage 2 engine: they weigh 36lbs apiece!