Thank you so much Mr. Karl and team for being our spokesperson for those affected by changes in 485 visa. Thank you so much and million of prayers for positive outcome.
Whoever developed this model is detached from reality. Its really odd how they come up with this system that prioritizes highly educated individuals NOT skilled people that Australia really needs. Who would build the infrastructure? Fill the gaps in the medical field and engineering? Skill 1 people? I doubt those "Managers" would grab a hammer and nail and start to build something. In short this is ridiculous, the dude in the interview was stumbling answering. Says a lot.
I 100% fking agree mate. Sooo stupid these guys, what have they even done. Completely ignored trade jobs and also what's with this diminishing points with each year increase in age?! Have these people frocking lost their minds?!
While everyone is jumping and criticizing him, I think we should thank him for coming to this show. However, this is not finalized yet, and this conversation may certainly help them before finalizing anything. Thanks Karl and team.👍
It's difficult for analysts to understand what is fully happening on the ground. Grattan has taken an aproach of what would yeild the highest money gains for the economy but that does not mean it is the best pathway for the education sector
Hello, thank you very much for the video.. l have a question. Points in the age scale mentioned in the video , will it be applied to overseas doctors ? Thank you so much
True they can't get 7 BUT they are Australians!It's there country!You don't expect to be put on the same weighing scale! I think some of us immigrants forget who we are
Even though the age change for the 485 didn’t personally impact me, I am so glad you called out the fact that it was pretty cruel and how the government went about was way too suss without even considering the well-being of those affected
Thank you Carl. You are the pure soul❤❤. Thank you for your greatest support 🙏🏻🙏🏻 for the international students and their family. We have gone through much more trauma for the past 2months plus with kids and family.
The amount of knowledge and understanding karl has about the education and migration industry seems to be a lot greater than those who are making the decisions. He also seems to treat students as human beings. Such a shame he has little say in these decisions.
We can only add our voice in these vidoes and share the concerns of all who participate in this migration process. Thanks for the positive feedback though
@@ailsaustraliawe understand carl. Thanks for your contribution. We can only encourage you to send in your position on some of these issues to the policy makers. Some of these policy makers are far removed from whats obtainable on ground.
Thank you Karl, though i do not subscribe to certain views of Grattan Institute, i do feel that you must show empathy towards those who have already spent their time, efforts and money and is in process. I thank you fo being a voice on such matters as if at all, point system like this is been implemented, it will be a disaster for immigration Australia. I am sure they will have to amend the point system soon enough owing to crisis of skills.
Hi Carl, thanks for this indepth review. Another drawback I see is that when someone reaches 40 he loses almost 50 points but doesn't get any extra points for additional work experiences over 8 to 10 years of work experience. Thanks
Thank you Carl for your concern regarding the 485 visa and bringing this over and over again everywhere. Highly appreciate your excellent effort regarding this matter. Best wishes to you.
Thank you Carl for supporting international students.. I have neever seen someone other than you who is supporting international students so much.. Thank you so much..
Two points which comes to my mind: 1) If we go by the recommendation then government should remove the concept of Metro and Regional location...no point having cities defined as "REGIONAL " location, doesn't serve any purpose 2) Rather than categorizing university based on global ranking, they should use the ranking within Australia. Say higher points for G8 Universities. Purely my thoughts
Great video, as always. It appears that this proposal does not look at States and Territories. The impact of policies like this combined with the reduction of visas for international education and the lower age to 485 will be VERY significant for regional areas. The curious thing is that I haven't seen any pressure from the Regional States to change this, I hope they are working behind the scenes.
Karl, this instution should interview migrant applicants and migrants for past 10 years and then come up with point test. This point test is not mature at all and does not address many problems, yet creates many more.
I have EoI in the system with 80 points and 85 for the 190. Based on the new system i won't even make the cut to 300, with the age based points taking away most of my points. Australia was considered by experienced workers with actual skills and families as a viable option, unlike Canada which rewards younger unskilled workers. I hope they won't implement this system for another 2-3 years and will carefully examine what is being proposed. Would rather remain in the Middle East and acquire a CBI passport and not give a penny in taxes to a government that wants young people over experienced high income skilled workers. What a farce.
Thank you, Karl, for making the interview public. I found it troubling that the Grattan Institute has conducted very limited research on the potential impact of the new points-tested visas they are proposing.
Thank you so much Carl for being our voice throughout this period. The questions you raised in the interview were some I also thought about and spot on.
I hope that the Minister of Home Affairs notes this meeting to comprehend the inadequacy of this point test system for Australia's future. As an early childhood teacher, I fear I may struggle to secure Permanent Residency under this system. The same concern holds true for nurses, aged care workers, and tradespeople who work in challenging industries and aren't compensated adequately.
These recommendations were not thoroughly thought out. He represented the views of the Labour party not business or the economy at large. Discrediting Australian education by removing points will affect not just the Education industry but those businesses that thrive because of the presence of regional universities. Think of areas like Tasmania and Darwin. Already UniTas is on the brink, how many jobs are on the line right now both directly and indirectly? Scrapping away regional visas will push reginal and rural Australia into a recession.
When we purchase electronic devices from a store, they come with a warranty for a specific time period. Similarly, when we applied for Australia Student visa the government of Australia had showed us 485 working visas. Altering this will impacts our ability to gain international work experience, which is crucial for building a successful career. This experience not only enhances our prospects in our home country but also opens doors to better opportunities globally.
I would like to see this draft points system implemented and observe how many people come to Australia. A person achieving 400 points will likely never choose Australia over the US, Europe, or the UK.
14:23 hi karl!, you hit him straight to the point regarding the point system, ived been waiting for a very long time for this english test to be reformed including the exp. And age to make all sense. Ived been watching your videos since i had started my journey for the application of skilled visas, your contents are really helpful and reasonable and point. Regards!, a filipino watching from Dubai, UAE🎉🎉
Lets not forget that in addition to the current export value of 47 Billion AUD that Karl quotes students also help provide cheap labour that is often in short supply.They also support local business as a result of there spending.Remember the problems many employers had during Covid when they went home.
Yes people forget that we depend upon that casual labour force of students doing jobs most Australian's don't want to. We got a taste of that when it left during the pandemic and people were crying for no one was there to serve their latte's
Thanks for raising the issue and support people who are facing issues in Australia. I truly admire your effort when you asked about trades who are not evening crossing 300 points...and he got confused. Whether gov is pushing trades towards employer sponsorship, but there is also a bitter truth that it's impossible for most of the traders to get 73k package...that means 37dollars an hour. How can a employer pay him this much even employee is new or he has 1 or 2 years experience. And also how can we request to employers to do this. I want KARL you please ask trade people in your next video if they are facing this issue , then please raise our issue with an another petition to get aware immigration about reality in the workplaces. It's next to impossible for majority workers to get 37dollars an hour . Only qualified people are taking this much pay rate or may be higher. Not all people are much experienced they are gaining and learning.
I really can't stop thanking you enough Karl, I heartfully appreciate what you doing. Idk Immigration knows how much suffering we going through with these policies. And lots of wait time as well as a short time to crack a job in a nominated sector
It’s good to modify pointed streams but this is a big shift! Many international students have planned their PR pathway ahead years ago if they want to get PR. It’s not only impact international students’ future but also will eventually hit Australian’s economic VERY HARD especially regional areas. Without having extra points for studying and working in regional areas, who will be going there? Not even local Australians.
@@ailsaustraliaI will graduate in June 2025 and will be turning 35 in September 2025. Although I can apply for graduate visa, I may no longer be able to apply for 190 visa. Every step has to rethink and plan in July.
Thank you mr karl for all your support. This point system has not been thought about and only did saw their side. Not considering the people’s side. New graduates couldnt get a 300 points instantly. Let all our voices be heard by the policymakers for fair decisions for all
I think all the viewers of this channel have more idea of real immigration situation in Australia than the people who design this draft point list. Crazy crazy, thanks Karl and team for your videos.
@@ailsaustralia Thanks for the interview. Your professionalism, patience and gentle yet firm stance helped him see the flaws in the system they’ve put out. I sincerely hope he has taken some of those critical points into consideration and will at least bring them to the rest of his colleagues.
How can they propose more points for students from top 20 universities since university rankings change every year. With this point system no body will come to regional Australia. This will cause more congestion and issues in metropolitan areas in future
I am 42 and am a highly qualified civil engineer, I have 15 years of experience building apartment buildings in South Brazil, but unfortunately, I feel that going back to Australia at my age for a sponsor and later a PR is really risky option. Now a days I am more inclined to go to US that doesn't have age limitations.
The Grattan man totally lost me when he asked Karl to help him remember what the family-sponsored stream of the 491… Imagine proposing the reform of the points system without even knowing the streams available! Karl had to indicate the incentives himself to help the poor guy discuss something close to meaningful about the regional areas because he didn't seem to care at all. And the conclusion about the access for trades occupations? “Yeah, nah, trades only accessed a small percentage of it” and now what? Now they don't get access at all? That is a very funny way of fixing things.
Its silly that as you sit and wait for an invitation you loose points for getting older, yet dont gain any points for continuing to work in the field and gain skills.
Thank you Karl for your excellent video and interview.Good to hear that it is for discussion at the moment and that there will with all probability be no change within the next twelve months.Hopefully this will mean those students who have chosen to study at great expense and been happy to do so in regional areas receive the extra points they were led to believe would be allocated.A failure to do so would with all probability damage the reputation of Australia in terms of honesty and integrity .Not to mention encouraging students to study at far lower cost at the ever increasing number of institutions providing courses in English in Asia.Why not if any Bachelor Degree or PHD is ranked the same as an Australian qualification but is far cheaper with lower living costs!
Hi Carl! I've recently started watching you for keeping up with the constant negative reforms for immigation that are being processed in Australia. My family (sibling, siblings family, parents, brother in law's sibling and parent) have all managed to migrate there (over 3 families) before and after the pandemic. While we managed to upload our EOI for a law occupation to the system in 2022 for the 491 visa, the consequent years proved changed were made for the worse for our application process as the occupations lists changed right after the pandemic. Since we started with this process since 2019, the points we would've gained changed in time as we aged, all the while the skilled migration lists pulled our occupations from the list. It's been 6 years and honestly everyday we are loosing our hope to ever be fortunate enough to come to Australia. Thank you for being understanding on our parts ❤
if parts of this points test are imposed I will guarantee it will make things worse for the housing crises. I AM a bricklayer here in the UK and I would not qualify under this system and to be fair I don't think many would. Australia needs trades so it baffles me to see something like this which makes things even harder for trades.
How come you say that a bachelor degree earned from the top 20 uni is better than master degree from colleges ? These are pure shit point systems. If Australia implements this point system, this will be the biggest shit in Australian history....
As international students over 35 years of age, all we are requesting for is the access to 485 visas irrespective of age. While we do respect the strategy it is unfair to apply to those who have been already enrolled. We are hoping that government understands the stress, pain and the amount of career uncertainties, losing life time savings and dreams of these group of people, and allow the international students already enrolled to have access to 485 TGR visas. We need the support from the government and people of Australia. We love this country and the people. We hope that we will be treated in a fair manner by giving equal access to 485 TGR visas upon completion of studies.
So like you said, basically anyone with a diploma/cert III would be screwed unless they have excellent English.. seems a bit unfair considering all the trades occupations and those who require a diploma. Also why get rid of the regional study points? Makes no sense.
This policy can have a greatest impact on international students admission rates in many Australian universities which are obviously ranked out of top 20 and also will leave the multi-skill labour positions empty in Australia. This is a fail plan.
Kudos to you, Karl, for standing against these rather poorly thought-out suggestions! Even if they implement the majority of these changes, you have played your part in being honest and representing the victims who might be collateral damage going forward if these new policies are considered
I haven’t for once listened to a “policy formulator” display a crass lack of understanding of what they’re talking about. Someone designed a point system that particularly targets a specific demography and excludes a ton of skills Australian needs. You are highly skilled and then because of partner IELTS and skills, you lose ton of points? Tradies who barely can do an 8s in IELTS are gonna manufacture points? I think migration agents and lawyers should be involved in these policies It appears as though these policies aren’t made for humans.
A little harsh but I understand where you are coming from. We were equlaay surprised to find how near impossible for trade occupations to use this points proposal
So basically Grattan just want very young people, highly skilled with certain level of experience coming from an English Speaking country… Ok, I don’t have anything against it BUT the question is… Would people who are compliant with this requirements be interested in migrating to Australia?? How many do they expect to find? Personally I think the guy from Grattan knows nothing about how migration from the migrant point of view works and what the thinking process of someone who decides to leave EVERYTHING behind in his home country and start a new life in a different place is. This system would only attract “successful” people with “promising careers” at a very young age…so young and with so many options on the table that they can’t be committed to live permanently in Australia. Even if they go to Australia they will go as an adventure, they will not stay in Australia forever, after a period of time in Australia most of them will leave the country. If this system is implemented Australia will be giving PR and eventually citizenship to people who don’t want to move permanently to Australia. If a system like this is implemented I can guarantee you it will be a DISASTER for Australia in the long run.
For anyone affected or delayed by the Covid border closures the proposed age scale is extremely short sighted. There should be an amnesty for anyone affected by this.
Your interview with the Grattan Institute rep gave me an insight on what kind of people are behind policy recommendations. The overall impression I got is that they most likely looked at statistics and numbers without looking into real life models of how migration works. They have no idea about what migrating is like, of what the decision processes of migrants are like. While you were sharing your historical knowledge of migration, especially about how the link between education and migration was established and nurtured over a long period of time, I can tell that the Grattan Institute guy has no idea about this. Are these people in Grattan Institute really the right people for the job? I wonder how the recos will be like coming from people of color working in similar think tanks.
Your right it is important to know the history for the younger generation come in without realising how much time it has taken to get where we are today. Seems Grattan has not weighed up the value of that achievement and given it enough weight
Yes, it seems to be a one sided type of research without considering the whole picture which ultimately will benefit both parties in the long run if they choose to consider both ends of the spectrum.
It strikes odd to me that at no point in their time of drafting the proposal do they even look into the statistics and ask “why is that”. You know, the statistics can often be misleading if you don’t know the full story behind it. Take that trades person applying for 189 as example. They are few compared to others because their skills assessment and relevant documents required for migration is tough to obtain. Very tough, among other reasons. Australia certainly don’t want low skill workers to flood their country but at the same time locals are generally unwilling to go fee-free TAFE to study. It’s a vicious cycle that will undermine the construction goal set by Labor. Examples like that really needs to be looked into deeper to know the full picture, rather than focusing on data and data only. Yes, data don’t lie, but people behind the data might.
@@estellebright2579 Yes. As a research student this is quite obvious to me. And to you. I thought rigorous research and triangulation is something people in think tanks also do, but it doesn’t seem like it in the Grattan case. Asking why a phenomena is, is important, especially when actual human lives are involved.
imo regional study should get more points. Otherwise who’ll go there to study? Those areas need foreign cash influx too. Nurses, teachers and childcare workers get stuffed on the wage points. Imo points should be given to people fulfilling critical needs. Medical professionals, teachers and tradespeople.
Thanks Karl for the video and always putting up reliable and informative content. I still cannot understand properly why there can't be proper extension of visa with work rights who are working in their nominated occupation in Australia. If that specific candidate is not been invited for any subclass visa, neither the employer is willing to sponsor, then the ultimate thing is he/she need to quit the job and exit Australia.
Thank you Karl, excellent video and very informative. Glad that you able to interview grattan institute and give us the idea and understanding of how their recommendation being made. It would be hard job for government and I hopee they will make good decisions because I think it's not only about accomodate young highly paid people to migrate but to balance immigration and strategic plan to grow
Hi karl, u r doing great service by being voice of migrants who have to face cruel n inhumane policies of the government. May god bless u with lots of good health and more strength to challenge the autocratic migration policies.
Why Australia needs to follow Canada point system? Imagine if you are migrating at 40, a bachelors degree, single and earning around 80000, you’ll get 355 points. This wont give u edge when it comes to invitation. How about occupations that are really needed by Australia? How they will get benefit from this points system? Hopefully this won’t get implemented.
if there is no points for studying in australia itself, what is the incentive for students to come here in the first place? regional areas are gonna get chocked without regional study points or 491. a few points are goods but not a good draft overall.
Trent acknowledges the fact that certain occupations including skilled jobs in healthcare are underpaid and we know they are in short supply. However his suggestion of allowing five to ten extra points will hardly compensate.After all there are 500 possible points for the new EOI with the expectation that 300 points is the minimum required (in other words sixty percent).In contrast with the current system requiring 65 of 130 points(fifty percent) 5 to ten points would be of use.
Thanks a lot carl as a international student over 35 who is already in Australia . You are one Australian who is savings our faith and love towards this wonderful country . Mahatma Gandhi Said : "In the midst of darkness, light persists. In the midst of untruth, truth persists. In the midst of death, life persists."
Thanks Carl for your efforts. Please tell us about 485 age cap for masters course work and others. I can't focus on my finals , spending sleepless nights. Please help.😢
Very little points for skills are allocated and it’s called skilled visa!! This points test will not allow offshore candidates to get any invite at all!! Specially skilled individuals.
Isn’t it counterproductive to cut down student numbers because of housing shortages (mostly in large cities) then remove the only incentives for regional study? If anything the regional study should be weighted as high as English language requirements. Do you need people to move to regional cities and fill labour shortages there or not? Do you have your thinking hats on?
In short, after reviewing the points test proposal, it's clear that it's advisable not to study at any Australian universities and to consider moving to another country as soon as possible.
I guess ur comment r truly correct. The Australia gov policy is discouraging intl std coming in to study in Australia university since no preference is given on credit point for PR application.
Thank you Karl for the video. It was good to see the interview. I am not happy with this proposal. I really hope this can be updated in a better way because this proposal seems very tough for all of us.
Summary- base selection on theoretical economic impact of students over the next thirty years(estimated gain 84 Billion AUD in total).Do not select according to the skills Australia needs.Risk collapsing the higher education sector(current value reportedly 47 Billion per year).Or learn from similar failed plan in 2013 which crashed the education sector.Hardly sounds fair to recent or existing students, Australia in general or a good and safe investment.
Yes, that was the main reason for most people. In a lot of countries, there's no tuition fee, no OSHC and institutions provide cheap dormitories. Good luck for Aussie universities attracting foreign students for $20,000 per semester.
Hello Sir, It is dam sure that your experience and knowledge can cure all illnesses created by this government to the educational sector including 485 visas.
I think this new system point is looking for migrants from Europe, the USA, and Canada; this policy is made by Aussies who only live in their fancy bubble in Sydney and Melbourne.... they are not regulating to see Aus grow; it seems they are supporting some specific type of migrants in future, but not thinking to grow regional areas or develop their industry with qualified migrants.
I like the idea of rewarding high paying job offers with lots of points, but how the heck are you supposed to get a job offer whilst waiting for an invitation?
Any info on when we can expect a sort of definitive version of the points test system? Currently deciding which course to study starting Feb 2025; having a more accurate idea of the points test system would be useful.
1. There are much confusions in the new system 2. They just focus on getting longer contribution from immigrants for the economy, but they do not consider thoroughly many other factors that may be potential risks.
So, based on the proposal, if someone doesn't have work experience, they're disqualified from the 189? Or they can apply, but they don't get any points for that section? The reason why I'm asking is because employers always told me, they'd hire me, but since I don't have PR, they don't want.
Yes..Employer r not interested in candidate with Temporary graduate visa . How to get skill 1 assessment credit point ? And this worsen when such visa has been shorten to 18 mths ?
Only 3 Australian universities are included in the top 20 globally ranked universities. They do not even value other universities in Australia. 🤦♀️ We would like to know how many reliable resources and experts in the field, like KARL KONRAD, have been interviewed to create this report and point system. They have to rationalise the reason behind every sentence. This interview shows the lack of insight and knowledge of the people involved in this report. It is frightening to see how they can destroy the future of immigrants due to their ignorance and lack of knowledge. The damage caused by this kind of act will destroy the Australian economy beyond repair. We will witness it shortly. I hope the election will come soon. 😊 I hope Australia can do better than this. 🤞
Thanks Karl, like always the only channel going through migration affairs analytically. Not sure how realistic this proposal is, admittedly, Australia cannot pick and choose the best of the best with such simplified schemes as there are other nations which Australia has to compete with. It seems a more holistic approach considering the global trends has to be taken into account.
Hi Karl, have been following your channel for some time now, and I must say that you are doing an exceptional job. The level of effort you put in clearly shows that you are working for the benefit of people, not for anything else. I have viewed this video three times already, and I have a query. When exactly is the new point test system expected to be implemented? I heard towards the end of the video that it will not be implemented next year.
@@ailsaustralia Shall i continue with my hopes in age of 42 for getting either 190 visa or 491 visa with 80 and 90 points respectively? I mean during 2024-25.
Higher education is the fourth largest export in Australia which is close to being in recession.Why then fail to give extra points for Australian education which will result in the export being driven off-shore?
Hi Karl, It’s always a pleasure to get updates from your channel and know that someone is keeping the policy makers on their toes! I am a bit afraid to see that there is no mention for people who are married such as myself to an Australian? Does this mean that my wife now have to take an IELTS test done? Or get a Degree to for me to get the full-90 points?
Oh well. The 485 age reduction does impact on my household. Medical professionals who need the 485 to complete their professional exams to work in Australia are locked out. Also experienced nurses who are students and need to pass 2 exams to become Australian nurses are also locked out. And who you like managing your health if not someone who has experience
Thank you so much Mr. Karl and team for being our spokesperson for those affected by changes in 485 visa. Thank you so much and million of prayers for positive outcome.
Employer look for PR holder , while PR applicant seeking for a job to get PR. Infinite loop 😵💫
Thanks Karl for informative content.
haha that's a joke tbh
I've friends in America, and they laugh at this and employment requiring "local experience".
Whoever developed this model is detached from reality. Its really odd how they come up with this system that prioritizes highly educated individuals NOT skilled people that Australia really needs. Who would build the infrastructure? Fill the gaps in the medical field and engineering? Skill 1 people? I doubt those "Managers" would grab a hammer and nail and start to build something. In short this is ridiculous, the dude in the interview was stumbling answering. Says a lot.
I'm sure the end product will accomodate more sway towards trades people but your right this model has issues
Very true
I'd agree to that as well. And I hope they won't touch anything special in 491
I 100% fking agree mate. Sooo stupid these guys, what have they even done.
Completely ignored trade jobs and also what's with this diminishing points with each year increase in age?! Have these people frocking lost their minds?!
We can see from when he answered. It was clearly see that he didnot understand exactly on the issue.
While everyone is jumping and criticizing him, I think we should thank him for coming to this show. However, this is not finalized yet, and this conversation may certainly help them before finalizing anything. Thanks Karl and team.👍
Thanks for the support and of course any points test that is presented that makes it much harder than before will ultimately attract criticism
Policy makers should consult professionals like yourself before they roll their whims out, thanks Karl!
It's difficult for analysts to understand what is fully happening on the ground. Grattan has taken an aproach of what would yeild the highest money gains for the economy but that does not mean it is the best pathway for the education sector
Hello, thank you very much for the video.. l have a question. Points in the age scale mentioned in the video , will it be applied to overseas doctors ?
Thank you so much
Ridiculous recommendations 😅😅
90% of Australians who are born and brought up in Australia, will not get 7 if they sit for IELTS
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Lol so true! I write a lot better than most of my Aussie friends
Probably right
True they can't get 7 BUT they are Australians!It's there country!You don't expect to be put on the same weighing scale!
I think some of us immigrants forget who we are
@@EdwinRotich-vs2eoThink about your great-grandparents; they are also migrants. Lol 😆 If you are an Aboriginal, I am sorry.
Even though the age change for the 485 didn’t personally impact me, I am so glad you called out the fact that it was pretty cruel and how the government went about was way too suss without even considering the well-being of those affected
No worries, wish we could do more
Karl is polite and to the point.
The guest lacks required experience and knowledge about giving recommendations regarding migration.
Its just they have a different perspective and the debate will be now which one is more suitable for our needs
You are working very hard conrad to make us aware of even small changes, Thankyou so much for your effort and support.
So nice of you, we will keep trying
Thank you Carl.
You are the pure soul❤❤.
Thank you for your greatest support 🙏🏻🙏🏻 for the international students and their family.
We have gone through much more trauma for the past 2months plus with kids and family.
Thanks for your support but really you guys need it much more than me
The amount of knowledge and understanding karl has about the education and migration industry seems to be a lot greater than those who are making the decisions.
He also seems to treat students as human beings.
Such a shame he has little say in these decisions.
We can only add our voice in these vidoes and share the concerns of all who participate in this migration process. Thanks for the positive feedback though
@@ailsaustraliawe understand carl. Thanks for your contribution. We can only encourage you to send in your position on some of these issues to the policy makers. Some of these policy makers are far removed from whats obtainable on ground.
There are no lower end colleges in regional areas. Honestly without region study points, no person on earth will move to regional area.
here its better in country Australia no thieves no stealing no problems life is much better than being in a city ..
Thank you Karl, though i do not subscribe to certain views of Grattan Institute, i do feel that you must show empathy towards those who have already spent their time, efforts and money and is in process. I thank you fo being a voice on such matters as if at all, point system like this is been implemented, it will be a disaster for immigration Australia. I am sure they will have to amend the point system soon enough owing to crisis of skills.
The more people who express their concerns the better and that is why a debate is important so al voices can be heard
Hi Carl, thanks for this indepth review. Another drawback I see is that when someone reaches 40 he loses almost 50 points but doesn't get any extra points for additional work experiences over 8 to 10 years of work experience. Thanks
Thank you Carl for your concern regarding the 485 visa and bringing this over and over again everywhere. Highly appreciate your excellent effort regarding this matter. Best wishes to you.
Thanks so much for the support
Thank you for speaking up for those of us affected by the 485 age cap change. That was brave, Karl.
Hope they will put out a statement! Thanks for the support
Thank you Carl for supporting international students.. I have neever seen someone other than you who is supporting international students so much.. Thank you so much..
Students are a well intergrated boost to the nation both in economic terms and multiculturalism and that is Australia's greatest strength
@@ailsaustralianot many australians see that though
Two points which comes to my mind:
1) If we go by the recommendation then government should remove the concept of Metro and Regional location...no point having cities defined as "REGIONAL " location, doesn't serve any purpose
2) Rather than categorizing university based on global ranking, they should use the ranking within Australia. Say higher points for G8 Universities.
Purely my thoughts
Carl, you are the best in the industry. You always provide us with the right information.
Great video, as always.
It appears that this proposal does not look at States and Territories.
The impact of policies like this combined with the reduction of visas for international education and the lower age to 485 will be VERY significant for regional areas.
The curious thing is that I haven't seen any pressure from the Regional States to change this, I hope they are working behind the scenes.
We feel as this proposal gets a wider circulation the press will pick it up and voice the regional areas concerns
Karl, this instution should interview migrant applicants and migrants for past 10 years and then come up with point test. This point test is not mature at all and does not address many problems, yet creates many more.
It is a hard balance to find but it is important to take note of the research and findings
I have EoI in the system with 80 points and 85 for the 190. Based on the new system i won't even make the cut to 300, with the age based points taking away most of my points. Australia was considered by experienced workers with actual skills and families as a viable option, unlike Canada which rewards younger unskilled workers. I hope they won't implement this system for another 2-3 years and will carefully examine what is being proposed. Would rather remain in the Middle East and acquire a CBI passport and not give a penny in taxes to a government that wants young people over experienced high income skilled workers. What a farce.
What's a CBI passport
It’s coming sooner that that
Thank you, Karl, for making the interview public. I found it troubling that the Grattan Institute has conducted very limited research on the potential impact of the new points-tested visas they are proposing.
Thank you so much Carl for being our voice throughout this period. The questions you raised in the interview were some I also thought about and spot on.
Thanks!
I hope that the Minister of Home Affairs notes this meeting to comprehend the inadequacy of this point test system for Australia's future. As an early childhood teacher, I fear I may struggle to secure Permanent Residency under this system. The same concern holds true for nurses, aged care workers, and tradespeople who work in challenging industries and aren't compensated adequately.
Yes it looks like both a penalty of low wages and lack of opportunity!
Seems they were also the architect of the 485 age reduction.
Hmmm, yes. Even more reason for them come out and support the transition period
That’s for sure
We did supported en6198. Call on everyone friends and family to support
These recommendations were not thoroughly thought out. He represented the views of the Labour party not business or the economy at large. Discrediting Australian education by removing points will affect not just the Education industry but those businesses that thrive because of the presence of regional universities. Think of areas like Tasmania and Darwin. Already UniTas is on the brink, how many jobs are on the line right now both directly and indirectly? Scrapping away regional visas will push reginal and rural Australia into a recession.
When we purchase electronic devices from a store, they come with a warranty for a specific time period.
Similarly, when we applied for Australia Student visa the government of Australia had showed us 485 working visas. Altering this will impacts our ability to gain international work experience, which is crucial for building a successful career. This experience not only enhances our prospects in our home country but also opens doors to better opportunities globally.
Yes exactly that promise should be honoured for sure
I would like to see this draft points system implemented and observe how many people come to Australia. A person achieving 400 points will likely never choose Australia over the US, Europe, or the UK.
Yes that is a good point, all of these high flyers have better options and more money to earn elsewhere
Europe and UK are trash. I agree with US
14:23 hi karl!, you hit him straight to the point regarding the point system, ived been waiting for a very long time for this english test to be reformed including the exp. And age to make all sense.
Ived been watching your videos since i had started my journey for the application of skilled visas, your contents are really helpful and reasonable and point.
Regards!, a filipino watching from Dubai, UAE🎉🎉
Thank you Carl❤
Hope these people will consider giving a chance for the effected onshore students and a grandfather clause for 485 🤞
Lets not forget that in addition to the current export value of 47 Billion AUD that Karl quotes students also help provide cheap labour that is often in short supply.They also support local business as a result of there spending.Remember the problems many employers had during Covid when they went home.
Yes people forget that we depend upon that casual labour force of students doing jobs most Australian's don't want to. We got a taste of that when it left during the pandemic and people were crying for no one was there to serve their latte's
Such shame that work experience is not values properly, while the age is taken into consideration!
Thanks for raising the issue and support people who are facing issues in Australia. I truly admire your effort when you asked about trades who are not evening crossing 300 points...and he got confused. Whether gov is pushing trades towards employer sponsorship, but there is also a bitter truth that it's impossible for most of the traders to get 73k package...that means 37dollars an hour. How can a employer pay him this much even employee is new or he has 1 or 2 years experience. And also how can we request to employers to do this. I want KARL you please ask trade people in your next video if they are facing this issue , then please raise our issue with an another petition to get aware immigration about reality in the workplaces. It's next to impossible for majority workers to get 37dollars an hour . Only qualified people are taking this much pay rate or may be higher. Not all people are much experienced they are gaining and learning.
Thanks Carl for supporting existing students..
Happy to do so
I really can't stop thanking you enough Karl, I heartfully appreciate what you doing. Idk Immigration knows how much suffering we going through with these policies. And lots of wait time as well as a short time to crack a job in a nominated sector
It’s good to modify pointed streams but this is a big shift! Many international students have planned their PR pathway ahead years ago if they want to get PR. It’s not only impact international students’ future but also will eventually hit Australian’s economic VERY HARD especially regional areas. Without having extra points for studying and working in regional areas, who will be going there? Not even local Australians.
There should be be no doubt a lengthy transisiton period if such a proposal were to be adapted
@@ailsaustraliaI will graduate in June 2025 and will be turning 35 in September 2025. Although I can apply for graduate visa, I may no longer be able to apply for 190 visa. Every step has to rethink and plan in July.
Thank you mr karl for all your support. This point system has not been thought about and only did saw their side. Not considering the people’s side. New graduates couldnt get a 300 points instantly. Let all our voices be heard by the policymakers for fair decisions for all
Yes it is not give graduates any chance in this system
I think all the viewers of this channel have more idea of real immigration situation in Australia than the people who design this draft point list. Crazy crazy, thanks Karl and team for your videos.
Trent got kind of nervous answering some of the questions..
It was a long interview and I am not some average jounalist
Karl had the factual data on his fingertips, he is a natural lawyer.
@@ailsaustralia Thanks for the interview. Your professionalism, patience and gentle yet firm stance helped him see the flaws in the system they’ve put out. I sincerely hope he has taken some of those critical points into consideration and will at least bring them to the rest of his colleagues.
What about PTE exam is PTE not acceptable in grattan point system
How can they propose more points for students from top 20 universities since university rankings change every year. With this point system no body will come to regional Australia. This will cause more congestion and issues in metropolitan areas in future
I am 42 and am a highly qualified civil engineer, I have 15 years of experience building apartment buildings in South Brazil, but unfortunately, I feel that going back to Australia at my age for a sponsor and later a PR is really risky option. Now a days I am more inclined to go to US that doesn't have age limitations.
I cant say I blame you
The Grattan man totally lost me when he asked Karl to help him remember what the family-sponsored stream of the 491… Imagine proposing the reform of the points system without even knowing the streams available! Karl had to indicate the incentives himself to help the poor guy discuss something close to meaningful about the regional areas because he didn't seem to care at all. And the conclusion about the access for trades occupations? “Yeah, nah, trades only accessed a small percentage of it” and now what? Now they don't get access at all? That is a very funny way of fixing things.
Wao carls your question are genuine and put the guy really thinking hard, now that there are issues in this proposal'
Thank you!
Its silly that as you sit and wait for an invitation you loose points for getting older, yet dont gain any points for continuing to work in the field and gain skills.
yes it is absurd. Doesn't make much sense.
Generally more age, more experience, more skills => highly skilled.
Thank you Karl for your excellent video and interview.Good to hear that it is for discussion at the moment and that there will with all probability be no change within the next twelve months.Hopefully this will mean those students who have chosen to study at great expense and been happy to do so in regional areas receive the extra points they were led to believe would be allocated.A failure to do so would with all probability damage the reputation of Australia in terms of honesty and integrity .Not to mention encouraging students to study at far lower cost at the ever increasing number of institutions providing courses in English in Asia.Why not if any Bachelor Degree or PHD is ranked the same as an Australian qualification but is far cheaper with lower living costs!
Hi Carl! I've recently started watching you for keeping up with the constant negative reforms for immigation that are being processed in Australia. My family (sibling, siblings family, parents, brother in law's sibling and parent) have all managed to migrate there (over 3 families) before and after the pandemic. While we managed to upload our EOI for a law occupation to the system in 2022 for the 491 visa, the consequent years proved changed were made for the worse for our application process as the occupations lists changed right after the pandemic. Since we started with this process since 2019, the points we would've gained changed in time as we aged, all the while the skilled migration lists pulled our occupations from the list. It's been 6 years and honestly everyday we are loosing our hope to ever be fortunate enough to come to Australia. Thank you for being understanding on our parts ❤
Wish we could assist more, best of luck to you!
Giving more points for top 20 universities is not fair as those schools are expensive and regional dependant.
Yes those univiersities already have such an advantage, seems the playing feild should be a a littel more equal
if parts of this points test are imposed I will guarantee it will make things worse for the housing crises. I AM a bricklayer here in the UK and I would not qualify under this system and to be fair I don't think many would. Australia needs trades so it baffles me to see something like this which makes things even harder for trades.
How come you say that a bachelor degree earned from the top 20 uni is better than master degree from colleges ?
These are pure shit point systems.
If Australia implements this point system, this will be the biggest shit in Australian history....
A person studying in the top 20 univ from other countries would never move to AUS
As international students over 35 years of age, all we are requesting for is the access to 485 visas irrespective of age. While we do respect the strategy it is unfair to apply to those who have been already enrolled. We are hoping that government understands the stress, pain and the amount of career uncertainties, losing life time savings and dreams of these group of people, and allow the international students already enrolled to have access to 485 TGR visas. We need the support from the government and people of Australia. We love this country and the people. We hope that we will be treated in a fair manner by giving equal access to 485 TGR visas upon completion of studies.
Well said and you are absolutely correct
So like you said, basically anyone with a diploma/cert III would be screwed unless they have excellent English.. seems a bit unfair considering all the trades occupations and those who require a diploma.
Also why get rid of the regional study points? Makes no sense.
It is not just removing points but also the state sponored visas
This policy can have a greatest impact on international students admission rates in many Australian universities which are obviously ranked out of top 20 and also will leave the multi-skill labour positions empty in Australia.
This is a fail plan.
Kudos to you, Karl, for standing against these rather poorly thought-out suggestions! Even if they implement the majority of these changes, you have played your part in being honest and representing the victims who might be collateral damage going forward if these new policies are considered
I haven’t for once listened to a “policy formulator” display a crass lack of understanding of what they’re talking about.
Someone designed a point system that particularly targets a specific demography and excludes a ton of skills Australian needs.
You are highly skilled and then because of partner IELTS and skills, you lose ton of points?
Tradies who barely can do an 8s in IELTS are gonna manufacture points?
I think migration agents and lawyers should be involved in these policies
It appears as though these policies aren’t made for humans.
A little harsh but I understand where you are coming from. We were equlaay surprised to find how near impossible for trade occupations to use this points proposal
It seems like he’s never been to a regional area 😢
It does seem that way
So basically Grattan just want very young people, highly skilled with certain level of experience coming from an English Speaking country… Ok, I don’t have anything against it BUT the question is… Would people who are compliant with this requirements be interested in migrating to Australia?? How many do they expect to find? Personally I think the guy from Grattan knows nothing about how migration from the migrant point of view works and what the thinking process of someone who decides to leave EVERYTHING behind in his home country and start a new life in a different place is. This system would only attract “successful” people with “promising careers” at a very young age…so young and with so many options on the table that they can’t be committed to live permanently in Australia. Even if they go to Australia they will go as an adventure, they will not stay in Australia forever, after a period of time in Australia most of them will leave the country. If this system is implemented Australia will be giving PR and eventually citizenship to people who don’t want to move permanently to Australia. If a system like this is implemented I can guarantee you it will be a DISASTER for Australia in the long run.
For anyone affected or delayed by the Covid border closures the proposed age scale is extremely short sighted. There should be an amnesty for anyone affected by this.
Indeed
Your interview with the Grattan Institute rep gave me an insight on what kind of people are behind policy recommendations. The overall impression I got is that they most likely looked at statistics and numbers without looking into real life models of how migration works. They have no idea about what migrating is like, of what the decision processes of migrants are like. While you were sharing your historical knowledge of migration, especially about how the link between education and migration was established and nurtured over a long period of time, I can tell that the Grattan Institute guy has no idea about this. Are these people in Grattan Institute really the right people for the job? I wonder how the recos will be like coming from people of color working in similar think tanks.
Your right it is important to know the history for the younger generation come in without realising how much time it has taken to get where we are today. Seems Grattan has not weighed up the value of that achievement and given it enough weight
Yes, it seems to be a one sided type of research without considering the whole picture which ultimately will benefit both parties in the long run if they choose to consider both ends of the spectrum.
It strikes odd to me that at no point in their time of drafting the proposal do they even look into the statistics and ask “why is that”. You know, the statistics can often be misleading if you don’t know the full story behind it. Take that trades person applying for 189 as example. They are few compared to others because their skills assessment and relevant documents required for migration is tough to obtain. Very tough, among other reasons. Australia certainly don’t want low skill workers to flood their country but at the same time locals are generally unwilling to go fee-free TAFE to study. It’s a vicious cycle that will undermine the construction goal set by Labor.
Examples like that really needs to be looked into deeper to know the full picture, rather than focusing on data and data only. Yes, data don’t lie, but people behind the data might.
@@estellebright2579 Yes. As a research student this is quite obvious to me. And to you. I thought rigorous research and triangulation is something people in think tanks also do, but it doesn’t seem like it in the Grattan case. Asking why a phenomena is, is important, especially when actual human lives are involved.
imo regional study should get more points. Otherwise who’ll go there to study? Those areas need foreign cash influx too.
Nurses, teachers and childcare workers get stuffed on the wage points.
Imo points should be given to people fulfilling critical needs. Medical professionals, teachers and tradespeople.
This new point test proposal would remove all trades and would send the message that to go to study in regional areas is fully useless.
Thanks Karl for the video and always putting up reliable and informative content. I still cannot understand properly why there can't be proper extension of visa with work rights who are working in their nominated occupation in Australia. If that specific candidate is not been invited for any subclass visa, neither the employer is willing to sponsor, then the ultimate thing is he/she need to quit the job and exit Australia.
Thank you Karl, excellent video and very informative. Glad that you able to interview grattan institute and give us the idea and understanding of how their recommendation being made. It would be hard job for government and I hopee they will make good decisions because I think it's not only about accomodate young highly paid people to migrate but to balance immigration and strategic plan to grow
Yes we need that and also to look after our education export industry
Hi karl, u r doing great service by being voice of migrants who have to face cruel n inhumane policies of the government. May god bless u with lots of good health and more strength to challenge the autocratic migration policies.
Why Australia needs to follow Canada point system? Imagine if you are migrating at 40, a bachelors degree, single and earning around 80000, you’ll get 355 points. This wont give u edge when it comes to invitation. How about occupations that are really needed by Australia? How they will get benefit from this points system? Hopefully this won’t get implemented.
if there is no points for studying in australia itself, what is the incentive for students to come here in the first place? regional areas are gonna get chocked without regional study points or 491. a few points are goods but not a good draft overall.
If you get a job after Masters in Aus, you get 50-100 points depending on your salary.
Trent acknowledges the fact that certain occupations including skilled jobs in healthcare are underpaid and we know they are in short supply. However his suggestion of allowing five to ten extra points will hardly compensate.After all there are 500 possible points for the new EOI with the expectation that 300 points is the minimum required (in other words sixty percent).In contrast with the current system requiring 65 of 130 points(fifty percent) 5 to ten points would be of use.
Yes it is as if we will need a whole new visa system just for health care workers
Hats up and really appreciated Mr.Karls for discussing about this upcoming points system🙏
Thanks!
Thanks a lot carl as a international student over 35 who is already in Australia . You are one Australian who is savings our faith and love towards this wonderful country .
Mahatma Gandhi Said :
"In the midst of darkness, light persists. In the midst of untruth, truth persists. In the midst of death, life persists."
Happy to help!
Thanks Carl for your efforts. Please tell us about 485 age cap for masters course work and others. I can't focus on my finals , spending sleepless nights. Please help.😢
Very little points for skills are allocated and it’s called skilled visa!! This points test will not allow offshore candidates to get any invite at all!! Specially skilled individuals.
Yes exactly.Its also hard to understand why skill level 1 gets 50 and 2 only 15!
Transition arrangements are most important for now for the current students aged above 35.
It should be compulsory when bring in any new legislation
Isn’t it counterproductive to cut down student numbers because of housing shortages (mostly in large cities) then remove the only incentives for regional study? If anything the regional study should be weighted as high as English language requirements. Do you need people to move to regional cities and fill labour shortages there or not? Do you have your thinking hats on?
Thanks for your imput!
What the point of putting CCL their as they need excellent English, not excellent translator.
In short, after reviewing the points test proposal, it's clear that it's advisable not to study at any Australian universities and to consider moving to another country as soon as possible.
I guess ur comment r truly correct. The Australia gov policy is discouraging intl std coming in to study in Australia university since no preference is given on credit point for PR application.
Informative video. Just wanted to ask you one question. Can subsequent 485 ( husband has main 485 visa) apply for student visa 500 after 1st july ?
Hi Karl, this was a great video. Thankyou
Could you also tell if government has defined which occupations will be covered in Skill 1 and 2?
Thank you Karl for the video. It was good to see the interview. I am not happy with this proposal. I really hope this can be updated in a better way because this proposal seems very tough for all of us.
It is not the final version of course and all your voices matter in what should come next
Summary- base selection on theoretical economic impact of students over the next thirty years(estimated gain 84 Billion AUD in total).Do not select according to the skills Australia needs.Risk collapsing the higher education sector(current value reportedly 47 Billion per year).Or learn from similar failed plan in 2013 which crashed the education sector.Hardly sounds fair to recent or existing students, Australia in general or a good and safe investment.
Yes the numbers really do not add up
Scraping Australian study point is devastation why people will come to Australia to study now … obviously impacting the universities as well
Yes, that was the main reason for most people. In a lot of countries, there's no tuition fee, no OSHC and institutions provide cheap dormitories. Good luck for Aussie universities attracting foreign students for $20,000 per semester.
No one is coming to Australia any more, out there are better options and less expensive.
Hello Sir, It is dam sure that your experience and knowledge can cure all illnesses created by this government to the educational sector including 485 visas.
I think this new system point is looking for migrants from Europe, the USA, and Canada; this policy is made by Aussies who only live in their fancy bubble in Sydney and Melbourne.... they are not regulating to see Aus grow; it seems they are supporting some specific type of migrants in future, but not thinking to grow regional areas or develop their industry with qualified migrants.
I like the idea of rewarding high paying job offers with lots of points, but how the heck are you supposed to get a job offer whilst waiting for an invitation?
i know right! even imagine if graduates got a job after 2-3 years experience, it is nearly impossible to reach $100K
@@mariar4435 they are targeting high income engineers who easily earn 150 plus
Any info on when we can expect a sort of definitive version of the points test system?
Currently deciding which course to study starting Feb 2025; having a more accurate idea of the points test system would be useful.
1. There are much confusions in the new system
2. They just focus on getting longer contribution from immigrants for the economy, but they do not consider thoroughly many other factors that may be potential risks.
Thank you Karl! I think this proposal by the institution is rather too complex. The old point system is good.
So, based on the proposal, if someone doesn't have work experience, they're disqualified from the 189? Or they can apply, but they don't get any points for that section? The reason why I'm asking is because employers always told me, they'd hire me, but since I don't have PR, they don't want.
Yes that is a big problem regarding sponsorship and trades people should also get access to the 189 visa
@@ailsaustralia So, it means, they're disqualified, right?
How about our likes that have lodged an EOI already? Are we going to be affected by these changes?
First things first you can't even get a job in your field unless you are pr or citizen the rest of things come later on.
yes very true
Yes..Employer r not interested in candidate with Temporary graduate visa . How to get skill 1 assessment credit point ? And this worsen when such visa has been shorten to 18 mths ?
Hi Karl,
Can you please clarify when can we expect this new points test to start? Probably around July 2025?
No, probably this year.
July 2026
@@MrChmod Isn't that too far away?
Only 3 Australian universities are included in the top 20 globally ranked universities. They do not even value other universities in Australia. 🤦♀️
We would like to know how many reliable resources and experts in the field, like KARL KONRAD, have been interviewed to create this report and point system. They have to rationalise the reason behind every sentence.
This interview shows the lack of insight and knowledge of the people involved in this report. It is frightening to see how they can destroy the future of immigrants due to their ignorance and lack of knowledge. The damage caused by this kind of act will destroy the Australian economy beyond repair. We will witness it shortly. I hope the election will come soon. 😊
I hope Australia can do better than this. 🤞
Thanks Karl, like always the only channel going through migration affairs analytically. Not sure how realistic this proposal is, admittedly, Australia cannot pick and choose the best of the best with such simplified schemes as there are other nations which Australia has to compete with. It seems a more holistic approach considering the global trends has to be taken into account.
no point for regional,means, ignoring the regional area from development
This points test gives no regard to regional areas at all. So we will go backwards 20 years if that happens
Hi Karl, have been following your channel for some time now, and I must say that you are doing an exceptional job. The level of effort you put in clearly shows that you are working for the benefit of people, not for anything else. I have viewed this video three times already, and I have a query. When exactly is the new point test system expected to be implemented? I heard towards the end of the video that it will not be implemented next year.
Wow three times, that is as much as us, well done! Looks like July 2026, but no one knows for sure yet
@@ailsaustralia Shall i continue with my hopes in age of 42 for getting either 190 visa or 491 visa with 80 and 90 points respectively? I mean during 2024-25.
Higher education is the fourth largest export in Australia which is close to being in recession.Why then fail to give extra points for Australian education which will result in the export being driven off-shore?
Yeah I know it sounds kinda crazy
Hi Karl,
It’s always a pleasure to get updates from your channel and know that someone is keeping the policy makers on their toes!
I am a bit afraid to see that there is no mention for people who are married such as myself to an Australian? Does this mean that my wife now have to take an IELTS test done? Or get a Degree to for me to get the full-90 points?
Karl you are absolutely bang on when you say the waiting timelines are CRUEL. Both 189 and 190 are the same. There is no value for human lives
Yes it seems that way, they should go back to their customer service approach thay had a long time ago
Oh well. The 485 age reduction does impact on my household. Medical professionals who need the 485 to complete their professional exams to work in Australia are locked out. Also experienced nurses who are students and need to pass 2 exams to become Australian nurses are also locked out. And who you like managing your health if not someone who has experience
I know its a crazy situation. Please eamil the office if you would like to share your thoughts on camera. sydney@australiavisa.com
@@ailsaustralia would have loved to but my family would prefer that we don’t come out publicly unless it’s the last resort.
I think its up to people to decide if they want to apply for 491. No them to decide us. Its up to us know we decide and survive.
If they implement this draft plan as it is without changing some points, they will get a lot of roasting in future
I'm sure there will be many modifications before it will be finalised
Specially for regional studies that we attempt then those changements that did not count ! What a shame
Who wants to live in a regional area without the bonus points. Who ever decide the points reform system should be fired