Dr. Leigh Orf, a scientist from the University of Wisconsin, tells us how he designed the most detailed supercomputer models of a tornadic thunderstorm ever produced.
Now we throw thousands of dollars worth of equipment into the storm and still have no clue how it works. It's impossible to justify your place in the universe to the government as a weather scientist.
+Maksims Ivanovs much better Idea than we used to have. There's many more unjustifiable things, just on example is the excessive military budget, which won't save any more lives by spending more. Spending more money on detecting and understanding tornadoes will obviously help people
Tornadoes have always facinated me. How they form to produce wind that can destroy even the best built structures is just unbelievable. Great video Sir...
wade hicks lol 3 fronts = massive thunderstorms once the storm starts making updrafts which creates hail then hot and cold air starts to fight creating a mesocyclone which rotates 90 degrees then some other stuff happens and a tornado is formed
When ever the sirens go off I check the news to see where it’s at and if it’s far enough from me I go look for it take a photo or two then go to my basement but if it’s close to me I instantly go to the basement.
it's interesting, but I don't really understand why he's describing computer as though they are this new hip thing that nobody has heard of. He describes the simulation on his hard drive as though that's a novel idea, and says the term "computer model" as though he coined the term.
I found that a lot of scientist who have such vast knowledge in their field, they lose sight a bit of what is general knowledge and what isn't known to the average person. They seem to be have trouble assessing in how far they have to dumb down whatever they are talking about, so they just over-explain every little thing.
Tammy H in my experience it's the exact opposite - scientists lose sight of what's general knowledge so they use a bunch of unexplained jargon that nobody understands.
+Peter Schmidt Yeah, I can see how it could go either way. Whatever the case, I'm just happy when scientists share their knowledge and don't use it for evil. :)
Brilliant, thank you for sharing, super interesting.. Loved how you simplified the explanation for people not as smart as you, as well as technically explained for people who chase or are highly intelligent and crave a bit more. ..
PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE STORM PRONE AREAS NEED TO START BUILDING "MONOLITHIC DOME" HOUSES. People are still building rectangular houses in these areas - and they keep getting destroyed. Learn from mistakes of the past people.
There's a reasonable idea. Supercomputer models are great! But do we really need one to understand that when a tornado siren goes off we should immediately retreat to the basement? Your idea of environmental engineering is a lot more interesting and practical.
Yep, concrete domes don't fold over like a cardboard box. That is my dream home. Actually, a one level torus shaped home with a center court yard is what I'd like; constructed the same way as a monodome.
Incentives, your Supreme Highness. Tell the people living there that the insurance rates on their house will reflect the risk inherent in their design. Then offer a tax break to those wishing to transition to the low-risk housing. Also, break out the PR/Marketing minions to convince the people how cool that low-risk housing is. Aren't they ashamed to have crappy, stupid rectangular housing? Don't they want to be Awesome and live in unique and innovative housing?
Or, better yet, just become an architect, sell your ideas, once it catches on people will want to buy in. Insurance companies will see how big it is. Tax breaks? Please, the way the free market works, anyone with half a brain will see if the product being sold is good or not, the government won't need to be involved even 1%.
I want one. I'm looking for something inexpensive to build and I have seriously thought about a dome home. I live in open country in a rectangular home.
@@mrbagel8751 tornado rates are caused by the damage they create, so if an ef5 forms in a flat plain, but only knocks down a chair, it will be considered a ef0
Do they consider all important variables in their simulation, like water vapor behavior and electromagnetism? Or do they adjust their simulation only to look realistic?
Peter Luxus They consider all variables known to be important, and others can be added as well, to see if they make a difference. However, these kind of models only calculate things on the relevant scale. Electromagnetism is the force that governs particle-particle interactions within a gas, all those interaction (several billion-trillion-trillions of them) behave in a way that allows for large scale behavior to be calculated from averages. Because of how many electromagnetic interactions there are, that average behavior well be incredibly close to reality. Thus, when large amounts of gas is involved, classical hydrodynamics and mechanical methods are used. This saves a lot of time, money and computing power. Indeed, calculating the behavior via quantum electro dynamics (the branch of physics that describe electromagnetism most accurately) would be impossible for large scale, due to practical constraints.
Laws of physics, Laws of physics, Calculating, Calculating, Computer model, Computer model.... BOOM THIS IS HOW TORNADOES WORK! OH WAIT I STILL DIDN"T EXPLAIN...
There is a EF6 in both catagories. a EF6 does so much damage, the cars explode by the debris. the ef6 destroyes roads and landscape... it is "Monstrous".
Nope. Only EF5 exists. An EF5 tornado entails total destruction. You can't get past complete destruction. Therefore any tornado more powerful than a typical EF5. Is still an EF5
Ya know, I had a thought today at work. We have planes and pilots that fly through hurricanes to collect data on them. Could the same plane fly through a supercell and the mesocyclone to collect data? Or send a drone with instruments up there to collect data?
not a scientist, but my guess is based off the size difference between the two types of weather. Hurricanes are hundreds of miles wide, with the eye being miles wide as well. Tornados are much more localized with the biggest being measured in a few miles and much more violent and unstable. Only lasting briefly, tornados die out quickly, while hurricanes last for weeks. This is all my guess, but I'm fairly confident in it.
As an eastern European that has never had any experiences with tornadoes, I find them totally fascinating and also scary. There is one practical question though that's been bugging me. In my country 99% of the houses are steel reinforced concrete. The ones up in the mountains are even sturdier stone houses. Why do they build wooden houses so easily torn apart in the Tornado alley of the US...? Shouldn't they build them a little more sturdy?
An EF5 tornado will flatten the structure regardless. Therefore it makes more economic sense to build houses out of cheaper materials. Making more shelters seems like the only practical method to reduce deaths in terms of construction. Sadly in places like Oklahoma, it's incredibly hard to make shelters as far as I've heard. I'm obsessed with tornadoes too. UK
Ellemphriem Nil because it's cheaper. The American government decided to not evacuate people in Houston, which killed about thirty people or more because it was cheaper too. It tends to do that, prioritize money over anything else.
I get a bit frustrated when scientists put data into a computer, get something out that looks like the data they put in, and claim that they have solved the problem "with pretty high confidence". Oh yeah? Well how come your model didn't predict sideways funnels, multiple funnels, funnels rotating in opposite directions, invisible funnels, and the grounding of incoming solar radiation via those funnels? You get out of a computer model only what you put in.
Atmospheric conditions are not going to tell you whether a tornado has multiple vortices, sister vortices, etc. What they are doing is trying to gain a better understanding of the atmospheric conditions that determine which cells will produce tornados and what conditions affect strength of said cells and tornadoes.
This model is to see why some storms produce long track tornadoes and others don't produce any tornadoes at all. It's incredibly hard to take into account all the variables. I'm sure with more simulations being run, their confidence will increase.
i think in this video we only able to see what's happening above the ground only, what really happened is underground, and way above in the sky, electrically, when the + and the - dancing trying to meet equilibrium.. yeah, because this is an electric universe.. 😉
I hate to be cynical...but whenever i see a trailer park or village flattened by a tornado then the inhabitants whining on TV how their life is "devastated" i immediately think "WAKE UP YOU IMBECILES!!" you live in a house/trailer in the middle of a tornado prone area...expect the worse....or if you cant handle that build a house on the rim of Mt Vesuvius....or perhaps a nice condo on the San Andreas Fault. One of hte definitions of madness is to do the same thing and expect a different result. oh and befor you deem me cruel and un sympathetic....i lived in the flood plains of gloucestershire UK and in 2007 i lost everything when my flat was under 6ft of water and i had no insurance, I just got on with it
we have come a long way from throwing cut up Pepsi cans into twisters to find out how the work.
Now we throw thousands of dollars worth of equipment into the storm and still have no clue how it works. It's impossible to justify your place in the universe to the government as a weather scientist.
+Maksims Ivanovs much better Idea than we used to have. There's many more unjustifiable things, just on example is the excessive military budget, which won't save any more lives by spending more. Spending more money on detecting and understanding tornadoes will obviously help people
Callum Dainty i love that movie!!!
"Twister" movie reference XD thank you! One of my favorite movies(:
Callum Dainty Rest In Peace Bill :(
I thought this was going to be the end of Twister.
_Its the wonder of nature baby._
Next, I use some kind of strange device called a COMPUTER.
Tornadoes have always facinated me. How they form to produce wind that can destroy even the best built structures is just unbelievable. Great video Sir...
wade hicks lol 3 fronts = massive thunderstorms once the storm starts making updrafts which creates hail then hot and cold air starts to fight creating a mesocyclone which rotates 90 degrees then some other stuff happens and a tornado is formed
Sir?
So how do we mod this into Skyrim?
Find out
When ever the sirens go off I check the news to see where it’s at and if it’s far enough from me I go look for it take a photo or two then go to my basement but if it’s close to me I instantly go to the basement.
Take a quick pic so that way if it,s a world record breaking tornado we have media
Wow that was really cool! Thank you, interesting people and occupation.
it's interesting, but I don't really understand why he's describing computer as though they are this new hip thing that nobody has heard of. He describes the simulation on his hard drive as though that's a novel idea, and says the term "computer model" as though he coined the term.
I found that a lot of scientist who have such vast knowledge in their field, they lose sight a bit of what is general knowledge and what isn't known to the average person. They seem to be have trouble assessing in how far they have to dumb down whatever they are talking about, so they just over-explain every little thing.
Tammy H in my experience it's the exact opposite - scientists lose sight of what's general knowledge so they use a bunch of unexplained jargon that nobody understands.
+Peter Schmidt Yeah, I can see how it could go either way. Whatever the case, I'm just happy when scientists share their knowledge and don't use it for evil. :)
+Tammy H lol evil scientists
Absolutely incredible work. . Really good visualization and explanation
Brilliant, thank you for sharing, super interesting.. Loved how you simplified the explanation for people not as smart as you, as well as technically explained for people who chase or are highly intelligent and crave a bit more. ..
Dr Orf is brilliant!
So I guess they didn't need Dorothy.
I was really hoping for a more detailed explanation of the different tornado components and how they work together. Good video though.
PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE STORM PRONE AREAS NEED TO START
BUILDING "MONOLITHIC DOME" HOUSES. People are still building rectangular houses in these areas - and they keep getting destroyed. Learn from mistakes of the past people.
There's a reasonable idea. Supercomputer models are great! But do we really need one to understand that when a tornado siren goes off we should immediately retreat to the basement? Your idea of environmental engineering is a lot more interesting and practical.
Yep, concrete domes don't fold over like a cardboard box. That is my dream home. Actually, a one level torus shaped home with a center court yard is what I'd like; constructed the same way as a monodome.
Incentives, your Supreme Highness. Tell the people living there that the insurance rates on their house will reflect the risk inherent in their design. Then offer a tax break to those wishing to transition to the low-risk housing.
Also, break out the PR/Marketing minions to convince the people how cool that low-risk housing is. Aren't they ashamed to have crappy, stupid rectangular housing? Don't they want to be Awesome and live in unique and innovative housing?
Or, better yet, just become an architect, sell your ideas, once it catches on people will want to buy in. Insurance companies will see how big it is. Tax breaks? Please, the way the free market works, anyone with half a brain will see if the product being sold is good or not, the government won't need to be involved even 1%.
I want one. I'm looking for something inexpensive to build and I have seriously thought about a dome home. I live in open country in a rectangular home.
This feels like a skit on Tim & Eric.
leigh orf is a fantastic researcher
3:55 Correction THIS Footage was El Reno 2013, rated ef3 but ef 5 wind speeds
Chris Tine if it was rated with ef5 winds than its going to be a ef5 dumb ass
Luke Hay don't call Chris a dumb ass just because he said something incorrect
No It was May 24 2011 EF 5 near El Reno. May 31 EF 3 was much darker in colour.
@@mrbagel8751 And doppler radar measured winds of 296 mph but it only caused EF 3 damage and so was rated EF 3 so calling him a dumbass is kinda wrong
@@mrbagel8751 tornado rates are caused by the damage they create, so if an ef5 forms in a flat plain, but only knocks down a chair, it will be considered a ef0
An EF5... The Finger of God...
Not a very nice finger for sure not a thumbs up
God's nuclear weapon.
Mujhko
Do they consider all important variables in their simulation, like water vapor behavior and electromagnetism? Or do they adjust their simulation only to look realistic?
Peter Luxus
They consider all variables known to be important, and others can be added as well, to see if they make a difference.
However, these kind of models only calculate things on the relevant scale. Electromagnetism is the force that governs particle-particle interactions within a gas, all those interaction (several billion-trillion-trillions of them) behave in a way that allows for large scale behavior to be calculated from averages. Because of how many electromagnetic interactions there are, that average behavior well be incredibly close to reality. Thus, when large amounts of gas is involved, classical hydrodynamics and mechanical methods are used. This saves a lot of time, money and computing power.
Indeed, calculating the behavior via quantum electro dynamics (the branch of physics that describe electromagnetism most accurately) would be impossible for large scale, due to practical constraints.
7:45
First to say that this was a great video !
you forgot to say "...and I didn't even watch any of it!"
+MsLalaUsagi well I already know it's a good video.
it actually wasnt that great,,,,,
you're just crabby
+Drew A actually it's a storm drain
Love space rip thanks for sharing
Excellent video, Thank you.
Pretty cool that you can even see the tornado produce satellites in the sim at 6:21
Very educational, thanks for posting this video.
Can I borrow that supercomputer for a few hours? I just want to watch fractal videos on liquid acid.
for real tho lol
That's cool, yes, but can it run Crysis?
Can it run Tetris on Ultra settings?
+Terra Estrahl hey that's crazy, don't ever think anyone can run Tetris on ultra, it's too crazy man
0:30 is the fastest tornado ever observed. I forget the exact forward speed but it was traveling something ridiculous, like 90mph…
Love you science channel
all I heard was "we used a computer to look at a storm emulation". Nothing about what actually happens, just that you saw stuff. wtf
So where is this program at now? Update us! ;)
What does this have to do with space? Why is a video of twisters and the atmosphere exist on a channel called space rip?
ajr993 cuz SCIENCE
I see Dr. Orf, I watch. I hear Daniel from Severe News and Weather Australia. And I am AWARE they're both on Pecos Hank's channel
some supercells looks like an alien motherships
I would love to get my hands on this program to play around with it. Is there a link can this be downloaded to work on a regular computer?
wow a so called "COMPUTER MODEL"
Laws of physics, Laws of physics, Calculating, Calculating, Computer model, Computer model....
BOOM THIS IS HOW TORNADOES WORK! OH WAIT I STILL DIDN"T EXPLAIN...
Thanks to replying to these people. They will never understand...
Nice vid
There is a EF6 in both catagories. a EF6 does so much damage, the cars explode by the debris. the ef6 destroyes roads and landscape... it is "Monstrous".
Nope. Only EF5 exists. An EF5 tornado entails total destruction. You can't get past complete destruction. Therefore any tornado more powerful than a typical EF5. Is still an EF5
charlie saville nope ef6s are so powerful shelters are ripped out of the ground and rips up EVERYTHING!! Jk
There was no F 6 or EF 6 but Dr Fujita did consider the original F scale to go up to F 12
Here in Oklahoma we do go to the cellar when they say tornado emergency trust me we do.
HP supercells producing very violent tornadoes, no ones but maybe six and more tornadoes in ones.
I was once hit by a tornado but did not survive to tell the tale.
Damn bro deep 😭😭😭😭 jk
Supertwister's? Is that what EF6's are called?
There are so many Twister references in the comment section, I love it. xD
Ya know, I had a thought today at work.
We have planes and pilots that fly through hurricanes to collect data on them. Could the same plane fly through a supercell and the mesocyclone to collect data? Or send a drone with instruments up there to collect data?
not a scientist, but my guess is based off the size difference between the two types of weather. Hurricanes are hundreds of miles wide, with the eye being miles wide as well. Tornados are much more localized with the biggest being measured in a few miles and much more violent and unstable. Only lasting briefly, tornados die out quickly, while hurricanes last for weeks. This is all my guess, but I'm fairly confident in it.
@@bruble14 sure, but what about the mesocyclone that's inside the supercell itself? Is it not bigger than the tornados?
@@superdarklink i think the main problem is hail you dont really wana fly a plane through hail
@@mattekumba good point. Do hurricanes not produce hail?
to me tornado's are the scariest of the nature disasters, they are awesome
No, the worst thing is a strong rockburst in a mine.....
Tornado... hide underground.
Lava? Good luck.
Same tornados are the scariest
Pyroclastic flows. You need a big head start to outrun that.
As an eastern European that has never had any experiences with tornadoes, I find them totally fascinating and also scary. There is one practical question though that's been bugging me. In my country 99% of the houses are steel reinforced concrete. The ones up in the mountains are even sturdier stone houses. Why do they build wooden houses so easily torn apart in the Tornado alley of the US...? Shouldn't they build them a little more sturdy?
An EF5 tornado will flatten the structure regardless. Therefore it makes more economic sense to build houses out of cheaper materials. Making more shelters seems like the only practical method to reduce deaths in terms of construction. Sadly in places like Oklahoma, it's incredibly hard to make shelters as far as I've heard. I'm obsessed with tornadoes too. UK
Ellemphriem Nil because it's cheaper. The American government decided to not evacuate people in Houston, which killed about thirty people or more because it was cheaper too. It tends to do that, prioritize money over anything else.
Lemme guess this mega twister is the most violent thing ever and at the Jupiter has much mega twister
No that would be considered a hurricane
Wheres the color the sound?
The clouds look like growing mashed potatoes
Thumbnail is 4:34
I get a bit frustrated when scientists put data into a computer, get something out that looks like the data they put in, and claim that they have solved the problem "with pretty high confidence". Oh yeah? Well how come your model didn't predict sideways funnels, multiple funnels, funnels rotating in opposite directions, invisible funnels, and the grounding of incoming solar radiation via those funnels?
You get out of a computer model only what you put in.
Atmospheric conditions are not going to tell you whether a tornado has multiple vortices, sister vortices, etc.
What they are doing is trying to gain a better understanding of the atmospheric conditions that determine which cells will produce tornados and what conditions affect strength of said cells and tornadoes.
This model is to see why some storms produce long track tornadoes and others don't produce any tornadoes at all. It's incredibly hard to take into account all the variables. I'm sure with more simulations being run, their confidence will increase.
6:21 see the multiple vortices?
3068? anyboody
The computer model is interesting
i think in this video we only able to see what's happening above the ground only, what really happened is underground, and way above in the sky, electrically, when the + and the - dancing trying to meet equilibrium.. yeah, because this is an electric universe.. 😉
oh wow they made a real video for once
science can help us
nVidia... the way its meant to be simulated.
1.39 God thats Nice..
🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶
I am a supertwister
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correction he said may 24th el reno it was may 31st not the 24 th thank you!
Huh fwolf lol Gorgonzola cheese
I hate to be cynical...but whenever i see a trailer park or village flattened by a tornado then the inhabitants whining on TV how their life is "devastated" i immediately think "WAKE UP YOU IMBECILES!!" you live in a house/trailer in the middle of a tornado prone area...expect the worse....or if you cant handle that build a house on the rim of Mt Vesuvius....or perhaps a nice condo on the San Andreas Fault. One of hte definitions of madness is to do the same thing and expect a different result. oh and befor you deem me cruel and un sympathetic....i lived in the flood plains of gloucestershire UK and in 2007 i lost everything when my flat was under 6ft of water and i had no insurance, I just got on with it
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Uno
trump will put an end to this nonsense
What ARE you insanely babbling on about now libtard?
hamstsorkxxor it's a fucking joke. I'm a trump supporter I was making fun of the liberal morons who blame him for everything chill the fuck out jeez.
common sense you aint wrong there pal, this shit should be orivately funded, we NEED to put this money to better use, like Defence.
*cringe* conservatives can't even watch a scientific video without complaining and getting triggered.
boooring
OMG it's not rocket science
HAARP