When comparing bullets across calibers I prefer to compare bullets with similar sectional densities. So comparing 30 to 27, I would choose 165/168 to 130 for the comparison. This keeps it fair because you are looking at the same class of bullet. For deer I tend to use bullets with a SD of about 0.240-0.250. So compare bullets with that SD pretty often in different calibers. 24cal 100g, 26cal 120g, 27cal 130g, 28cal 140g and 30cal 165g are the bullets I normally shoot.
Thanks for the video. In order to do a fair comparison, bullets of similar B.C should be used. However, it is a good comparison for practical purposes. Would be interesting to compare wind drift out to both cartridges M.P.B.R
A couple years ago I came across a Ruger M77/270. I was happy. I took the rifle to my gunsmith and had it re barreled in .275 Rigby with a new Shilon barrel. I love that rifle. I'm not much of a fan of the .270.
It all boils down to simple Physics. BC and kinetic energy are directly proportional to an object's mass. It seems many are ignoring energy in favor of BC in my opinion.
If not too much trouble, recalculate the 270 with the 130 TTSX with my velocity. 59.5 grains of Superformance powder, Winchester brass, Fed210M primer at 3385fps with a Hart 25.5 inch barrel. How does that compare? In my other 270s with 24" barrels the same load is moving 3360fps. The 130 TTSX in my 308 Wincester with 50.0 grains of TAC is 3200fps
@@musvijajuzagrilariocara8583 If you start of with the same pressure in the case. Say 58000 psi. You take that pressure times the bottom area of the bullet. That is what is powering the speed of the bullet. So if you think of the bottom area as a sail, it catches more of the pressure. But the front of the bullet will catch more air resistance. Thats why the bc is higher for the 270 ttsx in his example.
🕵️♂️ No, this time I will! Your example of the 30-06 Nosler 150 grain Monolithic Solid (B.C. of 0.469) has a velocity of 3,054 ft/s! It drops -34.1" at 500 yards! Meanwhile, on the Reloader 26 Website, the 270 150 grain Serria BTS (B.C. of 0.496) and a velocity of 3,037 ft/s drops -33.9" at 500 yards! Which is flatter? That's right, the 270 Winchester! 😯
The Best 30-06 Factory Load listed on the Midway USA is the Superformance Ammunition. It has a velocity of 3,080 ft/s (the bullets B.C. is 0.415). So, at 500 yards it drops -34.8"!
🧐 Now, because the 270 Bullet has a higher B.C. and shoots flatter at 500 yards, it will continue to separate itself from the 30-06 bullet, the farther out that you go! It also does it with less recoil too! 🙂
@@ReloadingWeatherby But you can do better, it's called 30-06 Sprg! That's based on nothing but my opinion formed by my individual experience and preferences, hunting and shooting scores of rifles and handguns over the past sixty years or so. Meaning it works for me. I don't have reams of research data, or alpha and beta test results to argue what by all accounts are rather nebulous points...So what? All the debating and ballistics pontificating aside. Would never claim to know more about any subject than those who actually do it for a living, and have very strong standing in the industry. That's more the exception than the rule in TH-cam commentary, when it comes to uploads regarding guns.
What Weatherby cartridge would you recommend to someone who has a 30-06 for closer range( rifle limitation, 180grain)and a .270 for 300/400 yards ( 130/140grain)? Looks to take longer shots in the 300/400 yards and beyond. Looking at 7mm or 257 not sure I can hang with the .300 wby kick
I once bought a box of 110 grain plinksters for my 30-06. I loaded some of those bullet so hot they would turn into a grey pup of smoke about 20 yards in front of the muzzle. I still have the remainder of those bullets with nothing I can use them for other than fun.
Thanks for the info. Not helping me make my decision but I really enjoy the channel’s reloader perspective. As an archer I never got too into the heavy arrows but I do like a bigger bullet.
@@jjgriffin3275 thanks for pointing me in the right direction. My goal is to shoot three things: Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer and 1000 yards at the range. Either aren't the best option but I'm thinking 30-06 will have an easier time going light than 270 going heavy. Do light for caliber bullets in general have issues stabilizing like heavy for caliber bullets?
@@adamjacobs112why do you want to go light? And flatter shooting won’t help much at 1000 yards. Dialing drop is the easy part. High BC will help with wind drift which is the hard part. Pick the one you’re more comfortable hunting the game you will be hunting any Centerfire can shoot 1000 yards
Seems to me, at ethical hunting ranges, BC is irrelevant. Velocity and SD are the most important variables, and the penetration and tissue destruction yielded. I’m considering adding an 06 to the lineup, mostly to pair with a .308 Winchester for feral pest control/hunting. As I want max barrel life outta good rifles, my main concern is minimizing overbore. The central reason for even considering the 06, is the wide range of loads one can select. At the same time, it wouldn’t be very useful or wise to load that cartridge on the low side of bullet weight range, if a large powder charge also meant reduced barrel life. I understand this involves the relationship between powder capacity (and actual load charge), and bullet diameter. The .308 is renowned for long barrel life, and minimal overbore. How does the .270 Winchester and the 06 Springfield compare throughout their load ranges?
One of my local gun stores has a bunch of 125 grain Remington Core-Lokt ammunition for 30-06. I have been looking at it for years, and no one buys it. I have thought about getting some
Well let's see, I will only compare like for like and that means like SD for similar sectional density. Just so happens that the Hornady ELD-X bullets for the 270/145gr & 30-06/178gr are very close. In the Precision Hunter class ammo out to 500y and zero at 200y the 270 is faster by 85 fps with nearly same energy and dropping less by 7 inches. With other more like for like bullets from Nosler look at 270/140BThunter vs the 30-06/165BThunter ammo and at 500y there is almost the same drop and velocity with a slight energy edge going to the 06. Very close in how much drop, velocity and energy the two have for like bullets when you have SD that are close in the same line of bullets. This is nowadays with better designed bullets that were not around when the 270 came out plus the MV for the 270/130gr was so much faster compared to the standard 30-06 deer hunting load. So way back when the 270 won because it had better MV which had its own unique appeal. But really drop matters little anymore because if you shoot out far enough to matter just range and dial. Do you want less recoil or more bullet diameter&weight, those are the questions you need to ask.
Interesting comparison. Of course, “flat shooting” always needs defined. If we’re talking reasonable hunting ranges, then “flat” looks different than at longer ranges where higher BCs will rule the roost. As a hunter, I prefer lighter for caliber copper bullet options that have higher velocities at ranges under 400 yards than heavier, lower velocity options. My favorite is the 270wsm. One of the flattest under 400 while still maintaining reasonable recoil.
Not horribly surprising given how the test is set up, a larger caliber withe the same bullet weight and case capacity will go faster due to the larger surface for the pressure to act on. However it will loose energy faster due to poorer BC and SD
Very good comparison. I have both calibers so they are so close that it really makes no difference to me. By the way I ordered my weatherby vanguard badlands 6.5-300. It is on. The way to my Ffl. I am so excited!
It is interesting data. For me I'm deciding which is flatter where a 270 is pushing 130-150gn and a 30-06 is pushing 170 -190gn as that is the most appropriate weights for those cartridges in my opinion and the opinion of most I imagine. That is not to discount that there are other options though, and even if your data is cherry picked it still presents some very interesting findings.
Most everyday hunter for hand load. And with standard loadings… the .270 bests the -06 in all categories except energy. Which you give up a small amount to gain the velocity.
You're sneaky dude. Someone remind me never to play poker with Austin 🤣. What do we say here? That the 30-06 is flatter shooting than the 25-06? Well, maybe it's not the same comparison but I am sure that there are circumstances where that might also be true. Good one!
Most 270’s are not going to get 3150 with a 130. Not with any accuracy anyway. The only chance of this happening is with an aftermarket match grade 26” barrel. After extensive reloading for many years foe both cartridges, a 270 with a 130 and 22” barrel will max out at 3070 with an accurate load. The 30-06 with a 130ttsx with a 22” barrel will max out at 3225 with an accurate load.
Love the channel and comparisons, but moving numbers around doesn't change the fact that 30-06 is meant to be a heavy hitter for big game with heavier bullets than .270 Winchester. Both great old cartridges.
😯 Oh, but I do like it, but just not as much as my 270 Winchester! I was just teasing Austin (poking the bear a little bit today)! The 270 Winchester and 280 AI are the only two cartridges that fully utilize the case to it's full 65,000 psi potential! The 25-06, as soon as they upgrade the twist rate and start making more 130+ grain bullets will certainly be climbing my list! I Absolutely Love All of the 30-06 line of cartridges! My comment had nothing to do with you, but rather the fact that Austin would rather give credit to every cartridge around it, and yet he only own a 270 Winchester (of all the 30-06 cartridges and their offspring)! We just like to "Argue" and "Tease" each other, that's all! 🤣 The 25-06 is one of the "Great Cartridges", for what it was designed to do and is "My Style" indeed! Yep! 🤠
RW, how dare you. You can run but you can't hide. The ghost of Cactus Jack will find you and get you. 🙂 Fun fact that most don't know, Jack O'Connor was a fan of the 06 as well. Actually he enjoyed many different cartridges including the 7x57, 30-30, 257 Roberts and of course championed the 270. Naturally in his time all bullets were cup and core design. Nothing wrong with the 270 and few will find a meaningful difference between the 06 and 270 in the field. Naturally the 06 has an advantage in versatility and bullet weight. But when did logic and reason enter into a good old-style campfire discussion? Both are great for midsized game at normal range. RW, I like the way you are writing out the data for a simple side by side comparison. Good job. Cheers, Jeff
@@ReloadingWeatherby very true. My first big game rifle was a Rem 742 in 06, 2nd was a Mark V in 300 Weatherby and 3rd was a model 70 FW in 270. That one can be directly attributed to Jack O'Connor's writings. But so little difference in the 270 and 06. More of a want than a need.
So my video is inappropriate? I get what you're saying. I almost never compare cartridges with different calibers with the same weight bullet. But I had to make an exception for this video.
First off, I love the 130 ttsx in 30 cal. Secondly, this comparison is flawed. You'd have to test bullets with similar bc to be a relevant comparison. Obviously a same grain weight comparison of a larger diameter vs smaller diameter is going to favor the larger diameter. If you're going to use a light for caliber 30 cal, use a light for caliber .277 as well, and I'm quite sure that the 270 will be flatter as it always is in a fair contest. The 110 grain ttsx in a 270 would be a fair comparison to the 130 in the 30-06. However the 110 ttsx has a better bc (.377) vs the 130 (.350), so you can bet the 270 will be flatter, especially considering the 3475 fps max listed velocity vs the 3300 fps with the 30-06 with the 130.
Thanks for commenting. I usually don't make these comparison's using the same weight bullet. I don't think it's flawed, just needs an asterisk. Also you can shoot a 110 gr in 30-06 as well... at over 3600 FPS according to Barnes. The real point of my video is that the 30-06 is more versatile and faster with the same weight bullet.
Also FYI... I just ran the data for a 110 gr TTSX for 30-06 and a 110 gr TTSX for 270. The 270 beats it in drop and obviously energy. I think 130 gr is the smallest you could go for 30-06 where it still has a drop advantage. But again I think it's going to depend on each bullet.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 270 and 3006 are not meant to shoot the same weight bullet. 3006 is meant for heavier bullets. thats why they say the 06 for bigger game like elk even tho 270 would work just fine. 06 has more of a bullet selection than 270 yes but no body buys a 06 to load light varmint rounds they buy it for large game. this is a very skewed video.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyyes and no. I agree the .30-06 is more versatile in general in regard to using it for anything that moves. However, I think that the .270 is actually far more versatile than popular opinion let’s on. I’ll explain. The .270 is a better medium game cartridge than the .30-06. With .240 SD class bullets, those suitable for medium game, the .270 offers higher velocities and flatter trajectories than the .30-06. At the same time, the .270 makes a far better cartridge for use on varmints as its light for caliber bullets are faster, flatter, and generally have much better Ballistic coefficients than the available light for caliber .308 bullets pressed into that roll. Now, as for larger game, I have never hunted elk, but I know many people who have used the .270 Win on elk with great success. I would have no misgivings pressing my .270 into an elk hunting roll, though i readily admit that the .30-06 is better suited for taking elk since it can throw much heavier and wider bullets. Above elk sized game, to be honest, I don’t think I’d choose either cartridge for hunting Moose, large bears, etc. At that point, personally I think I’d prefer a .338 or larger bore. Thus, I think the old “.30-06 is sooo versatile” argument is a little overdone.
I shoot the 110gr ttsx in my 270win at 3400 fps. I think that's a better comparison to the 130gr ttsx 30-06. I've killed multiple deer with the 110 ttsx. They'll penetrate from stem to stern in deer.
Just a little FYI, in Europe, they are eliminating lead bullets. In Scotland, where red stag hunting is popular, outfitters are recommending the 270 Winchester with 110 grain load. Apart from requiring monolithics, they also have a minimum energy requirement. I have a friend that was previously using a 6.5 x 55, but he has had to step up to a 270, in order to get the energy requirements.
you contradicted yourself. you even said Factory loads the 270 is flatter. there you go the 270 is flatter. with reloading you can make any load to be better or worse than another load. you could make a 270 at the weakest powder charge and the 3006 at the max charge. so yes you have to go buy factory loads and the most common used load for them for comparison. just like ron spomer compared the 270 to the 6.5 cm and he even said the 270 beats the 6.5 where as if you reload you could make an argument for the opposite. to be consistent and fair you have to go by factory loads. also with reloading you can pick and choose what bullet to load and what powder charge. so again factory loads is what has to be used, also with using the same ammo line for each such as winchester power points. 270 win FOR THE WIN.
My channel has always been about the top potential of each cartridge with handloading. I picked a more than fair handloaded velocity for both cartridges. I almost never buy factory ammo. I acknowledged that the 270 is flatter with factory ammo because most people don't handload. With that being said... you can handload the 30-06 to higher velocities with the same weight bullet than a 270 Winchester. Does that mean the 30-06 is better? I don't think so, but that is up to personal opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have seen that one before but went for a review and had to chuckle. I also scrolled down through the comments expecting to see a familiar name, who tends to write long screeds with lots of emojies. Surprisingly not on this video.
Compare apples to apples-not apples to oranges. Unless you keep the sectional densities the same, the test will be skewed. BTW, I own and really like BOTH.
Not necessarily. Sectional density is almost completely irrelevant with the monolithic bullets. A 130ttsx out of a 30-06 will out penetrate a 150AB in 270 every time. I know because I have killed piles and piles of critters large and small with both over many years. I have several times and will again take a mature bull moose with a 130ttsx in 30-06 out to 400yds and not remotely think twice. I hesitated slightly when I did it with a 270. It worked but penetration wasn’t nearly as good. I’ve killed many Elk with both. Both work, but my notes show better performance with the 30s on elk across the board. That includes 308 win. Maybe it’s the larger hole…
Just shows you can prove anything by mucking with muzzle velocities and ballistic charts. The 270 will always shoot flatter because it can shoot same sd (lighter. Same bc) bullets to higher velocity. The 30-06 will always hit harder because it can shoot heavier bullets with same powder capacity. You can fart with ballistic charts to try and make one look better than other but that is physics.
You think I was cherry picking data huh? I just shot the 130 gr TTSX in a 30-06 today at nearly 3300 FPS. Yes usually I compare bullets with the same SD.... but you can shoot the exact same bullet weights in 30 caliber.
😜 Exactly! 🤣 This has been an ongoing debate for close to 100 years now, regarding which cartridge is better, but neither cartridge seems to be suffering in sales! Just buy both and use them for what they do best at - the 270 Winchester in the lighter bullets and the 30-06 in the heavier bullets! Where the bullet weights overlap in the middle, I seriously doubt that the animal is going to know the difference, if you put the bullet where it is supposed to go! Dead Animal = Dead Animal and that is what matters most! You don't make it to 100 years old if you didn't do something right and, if the 270 Winchester didn't do something better than the 30-06, it would never have lasted this long! 🥳 Right??? 🤔
😃 So, I ran both using the Ballistics Calculator and Gave Austin the Benefit of the Doubt on his Muzzle Velocities (Because the Barns Reloading Manual had no where near 3,300 ft/s Muzzle Velocity for the 30-06, using that 130 grain bullet)! The Results were as follows: 30-06 (130 grain Barnes TTSX BT = B.C. of 0.350), Muzzle Velocity = 3,300 ft/s, zeroed at 350 yards - Bullet Drop out to 400 yards = +/- 5.6" and Bullet Drop at 500 yards = -17.7", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = -16.7", Velocity = 2,264 ft/s (at 500 yards), Energy = 1,484 ft/s; 270 Winchester (110 grain Barnes TTSX BT = B.C. of 0.377), Muzzle Velocity = 3,507 ft/s (From Barnes Online Reloading Manual), Zeroed at 350 yards - Bullet Drop out to 400 yards = +/- 4.8" and Bullet Drop at 500 yards = -15.0", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = -14.1", Velocity at 500 yards = 2,498 ft/s, Energy at 500 yards = 1524 ft lbs! So, the 270 Winchester Wins In Every Category! Now, if you wanted to compare the 110 grain Barnes TTSX BT in the 30-06, the bullet doesn't have as high as B.C. bullet as the 270 Winchester and it's Muzzle Velocity is barely over 3,400 ft/s (isn't as fast as the 270 Winchester)! So, without even needing to run the numbers, the 270 Winchester Wins Again! And, if you wanted to pick a higher 270 Winchester Bullet in the 130 grain weight range, using a variety of powders and has a velocity of 3,200 to 3,250 ft/s for the 130 grain bullet, then the 270 Winchester would Win again! So, Austin, those are the numbers - using both of your examples! 👨🏫 "Myth Busted", The 270 Wins This Argument!!! 💥
🤔 I am not sure as to why a line was drawn through some of my text, but run the numbers for yourself, using your typical hunting conditions into the ballistics calculator and see for yourself! 🕵️♂️
🙄 Austin's Claim: "For the same bullet type and same weight, "handloaded", the 30-06 shoots flatter out to 500 yards and sometimes out to 700 yards!" 🤪 Shall I burst your bubble Now, or wait? 💥 Let's talk Physics 👨🏫 and let me ask you some questions to lead you to see the "Bigger Picture", for Long Range Shooting, and Analyze Your Comment to Me: 1.) Before even running the calculations, since both use essentially the same case, which has the larger diameter bullet? 2.) Since, for every action, their is an equal and opposite reaction and the 30-06 has a 19.2% larger diameter bullet - which caliber will have more recoil and by how much? And, how does Additional Recoil Affect Shooting Accuracy? 3.) Why will this same "velocity gain" not be seen to the same degree as recoil, in gains on the barrel side for velocity (Hint: think about how a longer barrel gives you additional velocity and where the gas escapes)? 4.) Which of these two cartridges will have the higher B.C. bullets in the same weight bullet (with two bullets of exactly the same shape) and how does that Higher B.C. effective downrange energy and wind drift? 5.) Even if both calibers had a bullet with "Exactly" the same shape (i.e. the same form factor - which is realistic for monolithic/copper bullets, because you can make them into any shape that you want), what does the larger diameter bullet that is used to calculate Sectional Density do to the Formula, as B.C. = Sectional Density/Form Factor? So, if the smaller caliber 270 Winchester ALWAYS has a Higher Sectional Density (Which it does) for the same weight bullet, it's B.C. will ALWAYS be higher for the same weight bullet, if they both have the same shape! Thus, it will be the smaller caliber bullet that will ALWAYS has the higher B.C. in the same weight bullet - All other things being equal - as in the senerio that you gave! So, Your Statement is FALSE! For a further understanding of this, I will refer you to the Burger Website and the Article Written by Mr. Lutz (U.S. Olympic Shooting Team Coach, if I am not mistaken) to help better assist you in your understanding on the matter! 👨🎓
🧐 Additionally, even if you have two cartridges that have exactly the same or similar bullet trajectories - using the same bullet weights - it would be wise to choose the one with the least amount of recoil, for "Accurate Long Range Shooting"! 👨🎓 And, That is Why I Will Choose the 270 Winchester over the 30-06 "Every Time"! 🥇
Geez Ron... you didn't need to write me a novel. I know you are very sensitive to all things 270 Win. And yes... for the 30-06 to be flatter than the 270 Win there are trade offs. Energy suffers the most. The point of my video is to prove that the 30-06 is technically a flatter shooter. Which it is... guess you will have to watch the video
🤣 You may get "another novel" after the video! 😉 None the less - the 270 Winchester has less recoil, less wind drift (which is much more significant in "scale" than any differences in drop), and more downrange energy when we compare those similar bullet weights! It is important to tell the "Whole Story" and then it becomes "Obvious" Why the 270 Winchester is a "Better Long Range Hunting Option"! 👨⚖ I have to keep people "Honest", no matter the cartridge we discuss! But, for me, this is an easy one since I have "Significant Experience" with both cartridges! 🥳
😃 Look on the bright side Austin! 🌞 By the time I am done "critiquing" your video, you will be able to do a follow-up video on Why you were wrong! 🤣 I'll tell you what, how about I give you the "rest of the day off", to think about what I've already said? ✌
Totally manipulated to “prove” your point. I hope you really don’t think what you presented is accurate or fair. Compare the same bullets w the same weight.
Dumb video. Everybody knows it’s ridiculous to compare two different bore diameters with the same weight bullets. You compare them by sectional density, and when you do that, you’ll find the .270 shoots considerably flatter. The 150 grain .308 bullet has a sectional density of .226. The 150 gr .277 bullet has an SD of .279! Go compare a 165 gr .308 to a 130 gr .277, or a 180 gr .308 to a 150 gr .277. You need to understand that bullets are classed by sectional density. It’s disingenuous to say, “hey guys! The .30-06 is flatter shooting than the .270!” …. And compare them with 150 grain bullets. Well, no shit, Sherlock. The .30 will of course be faster. There’s more surface area for the gas to push against. The problem is these bullets don’t do the same things! Most people who know things about rifles understand that a .240 class SD bullet is optimal for medium sized game, e.g. whitetail deer. While the 150 grain .308 bullet is commonly used in this roll, it isn’t optimal. The 165 grain is, however. It’s a .240 SD class bullet. In the .277 bore size, the 130 grain is the deer bullet, with an SD of .242. The 150 gr .277 bullet is heavy for caliber and is best suited for larger game, like Elk, or for any situation when the shooter wants to lower velocity and ensure penetration. I hope this is making sense to you.
Why are you so worked up about this? I was very clear that if you shoot the same weight bullet in 30 caliber you have major trade offs. Such as not having as much energy. More and more reloaders with 30-06 are using a 130 gr bullet. Are they dumb?
Maybe they are and maybe they aren’t. I guess it depends on what they want the bullet to do for them. A 130 grain .308 cal monolithic bullet will behave differently than a cup and core bullet of the same weight. Take that light cup and core bullet and put on the shoulder of a big Muley and it might blow up. The mono bullet, on the other hand, will behave like a much heavier bullet in regard to weight retention and penetration, while allowing higher velocities. It all depends on what you want to use it for and how it’s constructed. I don’t particularly care for light .30 cal bullets, myself. They are getting pretty damn wide to be that light. You end up with a dismally low SD, and an equally miserable BC. If you’re going to shoot does in the woods, have at it. As for why I’m worked up…there’s enough misleading information out there without you adding to it. In the beginning of your video, you stated that to say the .270 is flatter shooting than the .30-06 is a fallacy. You couldn’t be more wrong. The .30-06 is 2 bore sizes larger than the .270. It doesn’t matter that they share the same case. You wouldn’t compare a 110 grain .308 bullet in a .308 Win to a 110 gr .243 bullet in .243 Win and then declare the .308 to be the flatter shooting cartridge, would you? No! You’re comparing a light for caliber bullet to a heavy for caliber bullet. Why then did you do it with the .270 and the .30-06? It’s stupid. If you don’t want to get called out, don’t put out content that misleads people. Glad you like the ‘06. It’s a great cartridge. I’m pretty fond of it myself. But you don’t get to make a statement that the .30-06 is flatter when it isn’t. Through each SD class, the .270 is faster and flatter. It’s science.
🤔 Just think of that "potential" for that 270 Winchester and a Faster Twist Barrel! I can't wait to see All of those new bullets we will soon be seeing, that will be keeping you up at night! 😴 But, the Good News is that you will have More 270 Winchester Content on Your Channel and more free advertising for Winchester! 🤣🤣🤣
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So proud of your channel growth keep up the great work !!!
Thanks!
When comparing bullets across calibers I prefer to compare bullets with similar sectional densities. So comparing 30 to 27, I would choose 165/168 to 130 for the comparison. This keeps it fair because you are looking at the same class of bullet. For deer I tend to use bullets with a SD of about 0.240-0.250. So compare bullets with that SD pretty often in different calibers. 24cal 100g, 26cal 120g, 27cal 130g, 28cal 140g and 30cal 165g are the bullets I normally shoot.
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The whole point of the 270 is that you will fire a lighter bullet than the 30-06. A better comparison is a 130g 270 vs a 150g -06.
270 is flatter
Yes, even then the .270 is flatter. However to have a truly fair comparison, you need to compare the 130 gr .270 to a 165 gr .30-06.
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Thanks for the video. In order to do a fair comparison, bullets of similar B.C should be used. However, it is a good comparison for practical purposes. Would be interesting to compare wind drift out to both cartridges M.P.B.R
Both historic & great cartridges that will do most anything needed.
Yep
A couple years ago I came across a Ruger M77/270. I was happy. I took the rifle to my gunsmith and had it re barreled in .275 Rigby with a new Shilon barrel. I love that rifle. I'm not much of a fan of the .270.
Cant kill the ole 06😂
Would love to see a .25-06 vs .270 with lighter grain bullets
Sold my ,270 to keep my ,25-06.
@@jamesbromstead4949why?
@@jamesbromstead4949do you have fat fingers, or do you think that’s where the commas are supposed to go?
It all boils down to simple Physics. BC and kinetic energy are directly proportional to an object's mass. It seems many are ignoring energy in favor of BC in my opinion.
BC has become a very overvalued measure of a bullets performance.
30-06 is better all around. 😁
Yep
I have 30-06 accelerator remington ammo. It is pushing a 55gn sabot .224 fmj at 4000fps.
All the accelerators I’ve shot in multiple rifles… grouped like hammered dog crap.
@PompdUpFishin yeah I was thinking they would be. I have not shot any of them. More of a collection thing.
If not too much trouble, recalculate the 270 with the 130 TTSX with my velocity. 59.5 grains of Superformance powder, Winchester brass, Fed210M primer at 3385fps with a Hart 25.5 inch barrel. How does that compare? In my other 270s with 24" barrels the same load is moving 3360fps. The 130 TTSX in my 308 Wincester with 50.0 grains of TAC is 3200fps
Hot dang! Your rifle is blazing fast. Yes it will easily be flatter than a standard 30-06
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How is it possible that the 30-06 shoots the same weight bullets faster than the 270 when they both have the same case?
30-06 is more efficient. You get more velocity with a larger bore with the same case
@@ReloadingWeatherby huh, I didn’t know that
@@musvijajuzagrilariocara8583 If you start of with the same pressure in the case. Say 58000 psi. You take that pressure times the bottom area of the bullet.
That is what is powering the speed of the bullet. So if you think of the bottom area as a sail, it catches more of the pressure.
But the front of the bullet will catch more air resistance. Thats why the bc is higher for the 270 ttsx in his example.
The 06 with reloading and the new powders can really hold its own with standard cartridges. Not a magnum ..... happy hunting.
30-06!!!!!! FOR THE WIN
Only when you "Cherry Pick" the data! 😂
I didn't cherry pick anything. I provided 6 bullet examples. Do you want me to do more of them?
🕵️♂️ No, this time I will! Your example of the 30-06 Nosler 150 grain Monolithic Solid (B.C. of 0.469) has a velocity of 3,054 ft/s! It drops -34.1" at 500 yards! Meanwhile, on the Reloader 26 Website, the 270 150 grain Serria BTS (B.C. of 0.496) and a velocity of 3,037 ft/s drops -33.9" at 500 yards! Which is flatter? That's right, the 270 Winchester! 😯
The Best 30-06 Factory Load listed on the Midway USA is the Superformance Ammunition. It has a velocity of 3,080 ft/s (the bullets B.C. is 0.415). So, at 500 yards it drops -34.8"!
🧐 Now, because the 270 Bullet has a higher B.C. and shoots flatter at 500 yards, it will continue to separate itself from the 30-06 bullet, the farther out that you go! It also does it with less recoil too! 🙂
I used to think 270 was weak. Boy, was I wrong!
It's a classic and a good one.
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But you can do better, it's called 30-06 Sprg!
That's based on nothing but my opinion formed by my individual experience and preferences, hunting and shooting scores of rifles and handguns over the past sixty years or so. Meaning it works for me. I don't have reams of research data, or alpha and beta test results to argue what by all accounts are rather nebulous points...So what?
All the debating and ballistics pontificating aside. Would never claim to know more about any subject than those who actually do it for a living, and have very strong standing in the industry. That's more the exception than the rule in TH-cam commentary, when it comes to uploads regarding guns.
270 is fantastic ron spomer does great comparisons for the 270
What Weatherby cartridge would you recommend to someone who has a 30-06 for closer range( rifle limitation, 180grain)and a .270 for 300/400 yards ( 130/140grain)?
Looks to take longer shots in the 300/400 yards and beyond.
Looking at 7mm or 257 not sure I can hang with the .300 wby kick
7mm all day, ballistic coefficient, sectional density, and speed! IMHO
6.5-300 Weatherby
That 7mm seems fairly efficient
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Seems like lots of extra powder for similar performance to the 7mm
Comparing the 7mm powder capacity to the 6.5-300.
I once bought a box of 110 grain plinksters for my 30-06. I loaded some of those bullet so hot they would turn into a grey pup of smoke about 20 yards in front of the muzzle. I still have the remainder of those bullets with nothing I can use them for other than fun.
Thanks for the info. Not helping me make my decision but I really enjoy the channel’s reloader perspective. As an archer I never got too into the heavy arrows but I do like a bigger bullet.
270 is flatter, compare winchester power point ammo or federal powershok or federal fusion
@@jjgriffin3275 thanks for pointing me in the right direction. My goal is to shoot three things: Roosevelt Elk, Blacktail Deer and 1000 yards at the range. Either aren't the best option but I'm thinking 30-06 will have an easier time going light than 270 going heavy. Do light for caliber bullets in general have issues stabilizing like heavy for caliber bullets?
@@adamjacobs112why do you want to go light? And flatter shooting won’t help much at 1000 yards. Dialing drop is the easy part. High BC will help with wind drift which is the hard part. Pick the one you’re more comfortable hunting the game you will be hunting any Centerfire can shoot 1000 yards
Seems to me, at ethical hunting ranges, BC is irrelevant.
Velocity and SD are the most important variables, and the penetration and tissue destruction yielded.
I’m considering adding an 06 to the lineup, mostly to pair with a .308 Winchester for feral pest control/hunting.
As I want max barrel life outta good rifles, my main concern is minimizing overbore.
The central reason for even considering the 06, is the wide range of loads one can select.
At the same time, it wouldn’t be very useful or wise to load that cartridge on the low side of bullet weight range, if a large powder charge also meant reduced barrel life.
I understand this involves the relationship between powder capacity (and actual load charge), and bullet diameter.
The .308 is renowned for long barrel life, and minimal overbore.
How does the .270 Winchester and the 06 Springfield compare throughout their load ranges?
Personally I like the 30-06 better. Not as over bore as the 270 and can shoot much heavier bullets.
watch ron spomer 270 videos,
Very well done 👏
Thanks James
One of my local gun stores has a bunch of 125 grain Remington Core-Lokt ammunition for 30-06. I have been looking at it for years, and no one buys it. I have thought about getting some
Oh nice.
Well let's see, I will only compare like for like and that means like SD for similar sectional density. Just so happens that the Hornady ELD-X bullets for the 270/145gr & 30-06/178gr are very close. In the Precision Hunter class ammo out to 500y and zero at 200y the 270 is faster by 85 fps with nearly same energy and dropping less by 7 inches. With other more like for like bullets from Nosler look at 270/140BThunter vs the 30-06/165BThunter ammo and at 500y there is almost the same drop and velocity with a slight energy edge going to the 06. Very close in how much drop, velocity and energy the two have for like bullets when you have SD that are close in the same line of bullets. This is nowadays with better designed bullets that were not around when the 270 came out plus the MV for the 270/130gr was so much faster compared to the standard 30-06 deer hunting load. So way back when the 270 won because it had better MV which had its own unique appeal. But really drop matters little anymore because if you shoot out far enough to matter just range and dial. Do you want less recoil or more bullet diameter&weight, those are the questions you need to ask.
What book do you have
Interesting comparison. Of course, “flat shooting” always needs defined. If we’re talking reasonable hunting ranges, then “flat” looks different than at longer ranges where higher BCs will rule the roost. As a hunter, I prefer lighter for caliber copper bullet options that have higher velocities at ranges under 400 yards than heavier, lower velocity options. My favorite is the 270wsm. One of the flattest under 400 while still maintaining reasonable recoil.
Thanks for commenting!
I use the 129 grain LRX at about 3000 ft per second it has a .463 BC it seems to do pretty good
Great load and bullet
Not horribly surprising given how the test is set up, a larger caliber withe the same bullet weight and case capacity will go faster due to the larger surface for the pressure to act on. However it will loose energy faster due to poorer BC and SD
Very true
@@ReloadingWeatherby a fun continuation of this would be a comparison of .30-06, 8mm-06, .338-06 and .35 Wheelen all with 200gr accubonds
@@justahologram2230 Yep!
Boo! 270 Win is better
Very good comparison. I have both calibers so they are so close that it really makes no difference to me. By the way I ordered my weatherby vanguard badlands 6.5-300. It is on. The way to my Ffl. I am so excited!
Can't wait to see the videos on it!
@@ReloadingWeatherby going to be awesome! Thanks!
It is interesting data. For me I'm deciding which is flatter where a 270 is pushing 130-150gn and a 30-06 is pushing 170 -190gn as that is the most appropriate weights for those cartridges in my opinion and the opinion of most I imagine. That is not to discount that there are other options though, and even if your data is cherry picked it still presents some very interesting findings.
Most everyday hunter for hand load. And with standard loadings… the .270 bests the -06 in all categories except energy. Which you give up a small amount to gain the velocity.
Both good cartridges, though the 3006 can take bigger game.
Also, the 270 is more overbore, so the rifles lose accuracy quicker
You're sneaky dude. Someone remind me never to play poker with Austin 🤣. What do we say here? That the 30-06 is flatter shooting than the 25-06? Well, maybe it's not the same comparison but I am sure that there are circumstances where that might also be true. Good one!
I doubt the 30-06 will ever be flatter than a 25-06 lol.
@@ReloadingWeatherby maybe after a thousand yards 🤣
Do 308win vs 6.5CM
Here you go th-cam.com/video/0jPgt0L7JZU/w-d-xo.html
Most 270’s are not going to get 3150 with a 130. Not with any accuracy anyway. The only chance of this happening is with an aftermarket match grade 26” barrel.
After extensive reloading for many years foe both cartridges, a 270 with a 130 and 22” barrel will max out at 3070 with an accurate load.
The 30-06 with a 130ttsx with a 22” barrel will max out at 3225 with an accurate load.
Love the channel and comparisons, but moving numbers around doesn't change the fact that 30-06 is meant to be a heavy hitter for big game with heavier bullets than .270 Winchester. Both great old cartridges.
I wish you would have added a 25-06 Remington to this
25-06 has them both beat.
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@@ronlowney4700 You don't like the 25-06? It has served me well.
😯 Oh, but I do like it, but just not as much as my 270 Winchester! I was just teasing Austin (poking the bear a little bit today)! The 270 Winchester and 280 AI are the only two cartridges that fully utilize the case to it's full 65,000 psi potential! The 25-06, as soon as they upgrade the twist rate and start making more 130+ grain bullets will certainly be climbing my list! I Absolutely Love All of the 30-06 line of cartridges! My comment had nothing to do with you, but rather the fact that Austin would rather give credit to every cartridge around it, and yet he only own a 270 Winchester (of all the 30-06 cartridges and their offspring)! We just like to "Argue" and "Tease" each other, that's all! 🤣 The 25-06 is one of the "Great Cartridges", for what it was designed to do and is "My Style" indeed! Yep! 🤠
@@ronlowney4700 you have a great since of humor. I do like reading your post.
RW, how dare you. You can run but you can't hide. The ghost of Cactus Jack will find you and get you. 🙂
Fun fact that most don't know, Jack O'Connor was a fan of the 06 as well. Actually he enjoyed many different cartridges including the 7x57, 30-30, 257 Roberts and of course championed the 270. Naturally in his time all bullets were cup and core design.
Nothing wrong with the 270 and few will find a meaningful difference between the 06 and 270 in the field. Naturally the 06 has an advantage in versatility and bullet weight. But when did logic and reason enter into a good old-style campfire discussion? Both are great for midsized game at normal range.
RW, I like the way you are writing out the data for a simple side by side comparison. Good job.
Cheers, Jeff
Thanks for commenting Jeff. The difference is so small it really doesn't matter.
@@ReloadingWeatherby very true. My first big game rifle was a Rem 742 in 06, 2nd was a Mark V in 300 Weatherby and 3rd was a model 70 FW in 270. That one can be directly attributed to Jack O'Connor's writings. But so little difference in the 270 and 06. More of a want than a need.
It's not appropriate to compare the same bullet weight across calibers, you compare sectional density. That's the standard.
So my video is inappropriate? I get what you're saying. I almost never compare cartridges with different calibers with the same weight bullet. But I had to make an exception for this video.
First off, I love the 130 ttsx in 30 cal. Secondly, this comparison is flawed. You'd have to test bullets with similar bc to be a relevant comparison. Obviously a same grain weight comparison of a larger diameter vs smaller diameter is going to favor the larger diameter. If you're going to use a light for caliber 30 cal, use a light for caliber .277 as well, and I'm quite sure that the 270 will be flatter as it always is in a fair contest. The 110 grain ttsx in a 270 would be a fair comparison to the 130 in the 30-06. However the 110 ttsx has a better bc (.377) vs the 130 (.350), so you can bet the 270 will be flatter, especially considering the 3475 fps max listed velocity vs the 3300 fps with the 30-06 with the 130.
Thanks for commenting. I usually don't make these comparison's using the same weight bullet. I don't think it's flawed, just needs an asterisk. Also you can shoot a 110 gr in 30-06 as well... at over 3600 FPS according to Barnes. The real point of my video is that the 30-06 is more versatile and faster with the same weight bullet.
Also FYI... I just ran the data for a 110 gr TTSX for 30-06 and a 110 gr TTSX for 270. The 270 beats it in drop and obviously energy. I think 130 gr is the smallest you could go for 30-06 where it still has a drop advantage. But again I think it's going to depend on each bullet.
@@ReloadingWeatherby 270 and 3006 are not meant to shoot the same weight bullet. 3006 is meant for heavier bullets. thats why they say the 06 for bigger game like elk even tho 270 would work just fine. 06 has more of a bullet selection than 270 yes but no body buys a 06 to load light varmint rounds they buy it for large game. this is a very skewed video.
@@ReloadingWeatherbyyes and no. I agree the .30-06 is more versatile in general in regard to using it for anything that moves. However, I think that the .270 is actually far more versatile than popular opinion let’s on. I’ll explain. The .270 is a better medium game cartridge than the .30-06. With .240 SD class bullets, those suitable for medium game, the .270 offers higher velocities and flatter trajectories than the .30-06. At the same time, the .270 makes a far better cartridge for use on varmints as its light for caliber bullets are faster, flatter, and generally have much better Ballistic coefficients than the available light for caliber .308 bullets pressed into that roll. Now, as for larger game, I have never hunted elk, but I know many people who have used the .270 Win on elk with great success. I would have no misgivings pressing my .270 into an elk hunting roll, though i readily admit that the .30-06 is better suited for taking elk since it can throw much heavier and wider bullets. Above elk sized game, to be honest, I don’t think I’d choose either cartridge for hunting Moose, large bears, etc. At that point, personally I think I’d prefer a .338 or larger bore. Thus, I think the old “.30-06 is sooo versatile” argument is a little overdone.
I shoot the 110gr ttsx in my 270win at 3400 fps. I think that's a better comparison to the 130gr ttsx 30-06.
I've killed multiple deer with the 110 ttsx. They'll penetrate from stem to stern in deer.
Just a little FYI, in Europe, they are eliminating lead bullets. In Scotland, where red stag hunting is popular, outfitters are recommending the 270 Winchester with 110 grain load. Apart from requiring monolithics, they also have a minimum energy requirement. I have a friend that was previously using a 6.5 x 55, but he has had to step up to a 270, in order to get the energy requirements.
1 or 2 inch drop difference at 400 yards means nothing really. Most people can’t shoot within that difference anyway.
I'm very aware that the difference is almost not noticeable.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Love them both and have two of each. But if I could only have one it would be the 06 for sure.
@@NCWoodlandRoamer I own the 270... but don't have a 30-06 yet
you contradicted yourself. you even said Factory loads the 270 is flatter. there you go the 270 is flatter. with reloading you can make any load to be better or worse than another load. you could make a 270 at the weakest powder charge and the 3006 at the max charge. so yes you have to go buy factory loads and the most common used load for them for comparison. just like ron spomer compared the 270 to the 6.5 cm and he even said the 270 beats the 6.5 where as if you reload you could make an argument for the opposite. to be consistent and fair you have to go by factory loads. also with reloading you can pick and choose what bullet to load and what powder charge. so again factory loads is what has to be used, also with using the same ammo line for each such as winchester power points. 270 win FOR THE WIN.
My channel has always been about the top potential of each cartridge with handloading. I picked a more than fair handloaded velocity for both cartridges. I almost never buy factory ammo. I acknowledged that the 270 is flatter with factory ammo because most people don't handload. With that being said... you can handload the 30-06 to higher velocities with the same weight bullet than a 270 Winchester. Does that mean the 30-06 is better? I don't think so, but that is up to personal opinion. Thanks for watching and commenting
all very nice but I can not accept with 06/30 without practice with the 270 yes
The only shortcoming with the 270 Win are the fanboys. Kinda remind me of 6.5 creedmore enthusiasts.
Have you seen this video? th-cam.com/video/tEtHq5j5H0g/w-d-xo.html Just watch the first 2 minutes
@@ReloadingWeatherby I have seen that one before but went for a review and had to chuckle. I also scrolled down through the comments expecting to see a familiar name, who tends to write long screeds with lots of emojies. Surprisingly not on this video.
That’s one of the few problems I have with the cartridge
Compare apples to apples-not apples to oranges. Unless you keep the sectional densities the same, the test will be skewed. BTW, I own and really like BOTH.
Not necessarily. Sectional density is almost completely irrelevant with the monolithic bullets.
A 130ttsx out of a 30-06 will out penetrate a 150AB in 270 every time. I know because I have killed piles and piles of critters large and small with both over many years. I have several times and will again take a mature bull moose with a 130ttsx in 30-06 out to 400yds and not remotely think twice. I hesitated slightly when I did it with a 270. It worked but penetration wasn’t nearly as good.
I’ve killed many Elk with both. Both work, but my notes show better performance with the 30s on elk across the board. That includes 308 win. Maybe it’s the larger hole…
When students challenge the master
I mean... the 30-06 is the 270 daddy.
Just shows you can prove anything by mucking with muzzle velocities and ballistic charts. The 270 will always shoot flatter because it can shoot same sd (lighter. Same bc) bullets to higher velocity. The 30-06 will always hit harder because it can shoot heavier bullets with same powder capacity. You can fart with ballistic charts to try and make one look better than other but that is physics.
You think I was cherry picking data huh? I just shot the 130 gr TTSX in a 30-06 today at nearly 3300 FPS. Yes usually I compare bullets with the same SD.... but you can shoot the exact same bullet weights in 30 caliber.
Shoot a 110 in the 270 at 3500 fps
😜 Exactly! 🤣 This has been an ongoing debate for close to 100 years now, regarding which cartridge is better, but neither cartridge seems to be suffering in sales! Just buy both and use them for what they do best at - the 270 Winchester in the lighter bullets and the 30-06 in the heavier bullets! Where the bullet weights overlap in the middle, I seriously doubt that the animal is going to know the difference, if you put the bullet where it is supposed to go! Dead Animal = Dead Animal and that is what matters most! You don't make it to 100 years old if you didn't do something right and, if the 270 Winchester didn't do something better than the 30-06, it would never have lasted this long! 🥳 Right??? 🤔
😃 So, I ran both using the Ballistics Calculator and Gave Austin the Benefit of the Doubt on his Muzzle Velocities (Because the Barns Reloading Manual had no where near 3,300 ft/s Muzzle Velocity for the 30-06, using that 130 grain bullet)! The Results were as follows: 30-06 (130 grain Barnes TTSX BT = B.C. of 0.350), Muzzle Velocity = 3,300 ft/s, zeroed at 350 yards - Bullet Drop out to 400 yards = +/- 5.6" and Bullet Drop at 500 yards = -17.7", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = -16.7", Velocity = 2,264 ft/s (at 500 yards), Energy = 1,484 ft/s; 270 Winchester (110 grain Barnes TTSX BT = B.C. of 0.377), Muzzle Velocity = 3,507 ft/s (From Barnes Online Reloading Manual), Zeroed at 350 yards - Bullet Drop out to 400 yards = +/- 4.8" and Bullet Drop at 500 yards = -15.0", Wind Drift (10 mph cross wind) = -14.1", Velocity at 500 yards = 2,498 ft/s, Energy at 500 yards = 1524 ft lbs! So, the 270 Winchester Wins In Every Category! Now, if you wanted to compare the 110 grain Barnes TTSX BT in the 30-06, the bullet doesn't have as high as B.C. bullet as the 270 Winchester and it's Muzzle Velocity is barely over 3,400 ft/s (isn't as fast as the 270 Winchester)! So, without even needing to run the numbers, the 270 Winchester Wins Again! And, if you wanted to pick a higher 270 Winchester Bullet in the 130 grain weight range, using a variety of powders and has a velocity of 3,200 to 3,250 ft/s for the 130 grain bullet, then the 270 Winchester would Win again! So, Austin, those are the numbers - using both of your examples! 👨🏫 "Myth Busted", The 270 Wins This Argument!!! 💥
🤔 I am not sure as to why a line was drawn through some of my text, but run the numbers for yourself, using your typical hunting conditions into the ballistics calculator and see for yourself! 🕵️♂️
I love when the haters go “ the 270 is from the 30-03 not 06” umm naaaa there was never 30-03 even available. When you neck down it lengthens.
Who cares they'll both do the job!!!
Seems like you care
🙄 Austin's Claim: "For the same bullet type and same weight, "handloaded", the 30-06 shoots flatter out to 500 yards and sometimes out to 700 yards!" 🤪 Shall I burst your bubble Now, or wait? 💥 Let's talk Physics 👨🏫 and let me ask you some questions to lead you to see the "Bigger Picture", for Long Range Shooting, and Analyze Your Comment to Me: 1.) Before even running the calculations, since both use essentially the same case, which has the larger diameter bullet? 2.) Since, for every action, their is an equal and opposite reaction and the 30-06 has a 19.2% larger diameter bullet - which caliber will have more recoil and by how much? And, how does Additional Recoil Affect Shooting Accuracy? 3.) Why will this same "velocity gain" not be seen to the same degree as recoil, in gains on the barrel side for velocity (Hint: think about how a longer barrel gives you additional velocity and where the gas escapes)? 4.) Which of these two cartridges will have the higher B.C. bullets in the same weight bullet (with two bullets of exactly the same shape) and how does that Higher B.C. effective downrange energy and wind drift? 5.) Even if both calibers had a bullet with "Exactly" the same shape (i.e. the same form factor - which is realistic for monolithic/copper bullets, because you can make them into any shape that you want), what does the larger diameter bullet that is used to calculate Sectional Density do to the Formula, as B.C. = Sectional Density/Form Factor? So, if the smaller caliber 270 Winchester ALWAYS has a Higher Sectional Density (Which it does) for the same weight bullet, it's B.C. will ALWAYS be higher for the same weight bullet, if they both have the same shape! Thus, it will be the smaller caliber bullet that will ALWAYS has the higher B.C. in the same weight bullet - All other things being equal - as in the senerio that you gave! So, Your Statement is FALSE! For a further understanding of this, I will refer you to the Burger Website and the Article Written by Mr. Lutz (U.S. Olympic Shooting Team Coach, if I am not mistaken) to help better assist you in your understanding on the matter! 👨🎓
🧐 Additionally, even if you have two cartridges that have exactly the same or similar bullet trajectories - using the same bullet weights - it would be wise to choose the one with the least amount of recoil, for "Accurate Long Range Shooting"! 👨🎓 And, That is Why I Will Choose the 270 Winchester over the 30-06 "Every Time"! 🥇
Geez Ron... you didn't need to write me a novel. I know you are very sensitive to all things 270 Win. And yes... for the 30-06 to be flatter than the 270 Win there are trade offs. Energy suffers the most. The point of my video is to prove that the 30-06 is technically a flatter shooter. Which it is... guess you will have to watch the video
🤣 You may get "another novel" after the video! 😉 None the less - the 270 Winchester has less recoil, less wind drift (which is much more significant in "scale" than any differences in drop), and more downrange energy when we compare those similar bullet weights! It is important to tell the "Whole Story" and then it becomes "Obvious" Why the 270 Winchester is a "Better Long Range Hunting Option"! 👨⚖ I have to keep people "Honest", no matter the cartridge we discuss! But, for me, this is an easy one since I have "Significant Experience" with both cartridges! 🥳
😃 Look on the bright side Austin! 🌞 By the time I am done "critiquing" your video, you will be able to do a follow-up video on Why you were wrong! 🤣 I'll tell you what, how about I give you the "rest of the day off", to think about what I've already said? ✌
I came to this video to find your comments Ron and you did not disappoint! 😅
My comment got auto deleted I think because of the link I posted in it. Sorry about that.
What was the link for?
@@ReloadingWeatherby for the Nosler partition ballistic data for the 150 grain
TH-cam autodeletes any and all links that are anything but CNN or Huffington Post
Yep...
Totally manipulated to “prove” your point. I hope you really don’t think what you presented is accurate or fair. Compare the same bullets w the same weight.
I did...
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Thanks for watching Kyle
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99 % of people use Factory ammo.
I don't think it's that high of a percentage. But yes the vast majority use factory ammo.
@@ReloadingWeatherby exactly
@@ReloadingWeatherby you want to be fair take 150 gr 270 and 150 gr 30-06 Factory load.
Same Barrel lenght.
Go to the range and test it.
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Dumb video. Everybody knows it’s ridiculous to compare two different bore diameters with the same weight bullets. You compare them by sectional density, and when you do that, you’ll find the .270 shoots considerably flatter. The 150 grain .308 bullet has a sectional density of .226. The 150 gr .277 bullet has an SD of .279! Go compare a 165 gr .308 to a 130 gr .277, or a 180 gr .308 to a 150 gr .277. You need to understand that bullets are classed by sectional density. It’s disingenuous to say, “hey guys! The .30-06 is flatter shooting than the .270!” …. And compare them with 150 grain bullets. Well, no shit, Sherlock. The .30 will of course be faster. There’s more surface area for the gas to push against. The problem is these bullets don’t do the same things! Most people who know things about rifles understand that a .240 class SD bullet is optimal for medium sized game, e.g. whitetail deer. While the 150 grain .308 bullet is commonly used in this roll, it isn’t optimal. The 165 grain is, however. It’s a .240 SD class bullet. In the .277 bore size, the 130 grain is the deer bullet, with an SD of .242. The 150 gr .277 bullet is heavy for caliber and is best suited for larger game, like Elk, or for any situation when the shooter wants to lower velocity and ensure penetration. I hope this is making sense to you.
Why are you so worked up about this? I was very clear that if you shoot the same weight bullet in 30 caliber you have major trade offs. Such as not having as much energy. More and more reloaders with 30-06 are using a 130 gr bullet. Are they dumb?
Maybe they are and maybe they aren’t. I guess it depends on what they want the bullet to do for them. A 130 grain .308 cal monolithic bullet will behave differently than a cup and core bullet of the same weight. Take that light cup and core bullet and put on the shoulder of a big Muley and it might blow up. The mono bullet, on the other hand, will behave like a much heavier bullet in regard to weight retention and penetration, while allowing higher velocities. It all depends on what you want to use it for and how it’s constructed. I don’t particularly care for light .30 cal bullets, myself. They are getting pretty damn wide to be that light. You end up with a dismally low SD, and an equally miserable BC. If you’re going to shoot does in the woods, have at it. As for why I’m worked up…there’s enough misleading information out there without you adding to it. In the beginning of your video, you stated that to say the .270 is flatter shooting than the .30-06 is a fallacy. You couldn’t be more wrong. The .30-06 is 2 bore sizes larger than the .270. It doesn’t matter that they share the same case. You wouldn’t compare a 110 grain .308 bullet in a .308 Win to a 110 gr .243 bullet in .243 Win and then declare the .308 to be the flatter shooting cartridge, would you? No! You’re comparing a light for caliber bullet to a heavy for caliber bullet. Why then did you do it with the .270 and the .30-06? It’s stupid. If you don’t want to get called out, don’t put out content that misleads people. Glad you like the ‘06. It’s a great cartridge. I’m pretty fond of it myself. But you don’t get to make a statement that the .30-06 is flatter when it isn’t. Through each SD class, the .270 is faster and flatter. It’s science.
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I'm excited to see how you're going to prove me wrong Ron.... spoiler you won't.
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I've been doing it for 2 years Austin! 😜
🤕 Did you torment your teachers Austin? 🤭
🤔 Just think of that "potential" for that 270 Winchester and a Faster Twist Barrel! I can't wait to see All of those new bullets we will soon be seeing, that will be keeping you up at night! 😴 But, the Good News is that you will have More 270 Winchester Content on Your Channel and more free advertising for Winchester! 🤣🤣🤣