The Vow: SARAH EDMONDSON talks NXIVM, Allison Mack & More

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  • @InsideOfYouPodcast
    @InsideOfYouPodcast  4 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    Crazy stories this week. Hope you folks enjoy this one 💙 Subscribe!

    • @prncssgk19
      @prncssgk19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m sure it will be awesome as usual! 💙

    • @franktaylor595
      @franktaylor595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Oh I'll enjoy 😁 😉

    • @officialdanrocha
      @officialdanrocha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've been watching the doc on HBO, and holy shit! I'm glad Sarah was able to share her story even more.

    • @juanolivier8537
      @juanolivier8537 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will be tuned in

    • @jdc1979
      @jdc1979 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s hard to judge and not to judge. I don’t know how I would have reacted when faced with the situation. But people do crazy things to belong. We just need to be careful about our situation

  • @annabellemora7950
    @annabellemora7950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +520

    I remember being in College and one of my Professors asked to see me during office hours. She wanted to "mentor" me because she felt she saw a lot of herself in me and wanted me to reach my max potential. So she took me to an ESP class and remember felt pressured to sign up for the 5 day right then and there. They would not let me leave without signing up! I said I had to get my credit card from my car and ran! I dropped her class and avoided her for the rest of my college days. The cult vibes were real!

    • @ChristinaTaft
      @ChristinaTaft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      I'm glad you left. Anything internalizing which can make a person trapped in their head instead of externalizing to be action-focused is harmful.

    • @annabellemora7950
      @annabellemora7950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@ChristinaTaft Absolutely. In the beginning I really wanted to do it. I was young, vulnerable with low self esteem and they sold me on how much more I could accomplish if I would stop doubting myself. It was when they kept insisting I signed the paperwork and left the check right then (also the look in their eyes!) that raised a huge red flag and I knew if they would pressure me like that, they were not trying to help me.

    • @HelloNewMoon
      @HelloNewMoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Yikes!!!! What an abuse of their position!!

    • @LovedandSavedbyYah
      @LovedandSavedbyYah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Wow!

    • @disneytoysr4fun975
      @disneytoysr4fun975 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      but what if it really would have helped you? I'm super shy so i would probably like a class like that.

  • @ambzerambzer8800
    @ambzerambzer8800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    Michael is such as perfect interviewer, I’ve noticed in all of them, he’s great at keeping the pace, he lets them talk and switches the subject when needs to, he’s so kind, genuinely interested, and doesn’t push people into becoming uncomfortable.
    And all of his own comments and stories are totally valid or funny and fair.
    He’s just so great at it, that I’ll even probably listen to some episodes with people I don’t even know about and get to know them and their story

    • @pniner
      @pniner 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He's a masterclass, really. This is the perfect length and format for his syle.

    • @kiradanae6743
      @kiradanae6743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I loved when Sarah lost her train of thought, and Michael showed how engaged he is by recapping in his own words what Sarah had been talking about and then seamlessly transitioned to the next topic. He’s impressive!

    • @BrosephComrade
      @BrosephComrade ปีที่แล้ว

      THE MOTH FACE

    • @drCuddl3z
      @drCuddl3z ปีที่แล้ว

      stop simping

    • @ambzerambzer8800
      @ambzerambzer8800 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drCuddl3z Simping? I am not 12 years old I do not "Simp"

  • @Starree744
    @Starree744 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    All of these doc's coming out about Nexium now is so weird for me to watch. Sarah Edmonson was my camp counselor as a kid. She was everyone's favourite counselor. It's just so strange to see her talk about these awful things she was pulled into. I'm so glad she's doing better and was part of the fight to get Keith rainere in jail.

  • @raptorsentry
    @raptorsentry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    "A hero is one who heals their own wounds, and then show others how to do the same." -Yung Pueblo
    Michael, Sarah, and every single guest on this show definitely fits the bill of being heroes.

    • @loristrode9556
      @loristrode9556 ปีที่แล้ว

      idk about that Sara was still influencing the masses to be in a sex cult. I understand righting your wrongs but she has a long way to go before becoming a hero.

  • @Hillary-._
    @Hillary-._ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +184

    I hope NXIVM being exposed will help Scientologists realize how these tactics parallel with their “religion.”

    • @jungleGSC
      @jungleGSC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the same could be said about any religion. don't pick on scientology like its the only bullshit religion out there. they're all bullshit.

    • @lja530
      @lja530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jungleGSC Number one, "religion" is not the same as "church". One is something personal, while the other is an organization. Number two, organizations can demand outrageous amounts of money from people (like scientology) and pressure people into cutting ties with people on the outside. The Catholic church and any of the Christian bodies that separated from the Church during the Reformation don't tend to operate that way.
      Well, a lot of them still bully people when they're gay, but that's a another story.

    • @jungleGSC
      @jungleGSC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lja530 you're buggin. the catholic church is the wealthiest landowner and money lender in the world

    • @SDesWriter
      @SDesWriter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@jungleGSC No it couldn't. People who say that know nothing about religion. Most religions tell you up front what they are going to do (and what you need to do) and let you make the choice. The other main difference is most religions NEVER ask you to distance yourself from your friends or family (they encourage you to be a good influence on them). That's how you know you're being conned by a cult.....because they tell you things to isolate you and make you more vulnerable.

    • @jungleGSC
      @jungleGSC 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SDesWriter ok buddy

  • @KrisTomLuver
    @KrisTomLuver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Thanks for having her on your podcast! I think it's so important that this story keeps getting shared so that stuff like this doesn't happen to anyone else.
    Sarah is so refreshing! She is down to earth and so real about her experiences and her courage and strength is inspiring!
    Also, seriously, your podcasts are great and the only ones I listen to!

  • @ginagrittani5231
    @ginagrittani5231 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Cults exist. We must educate and protect ourselves. Thank you for this informative podcast.

    • @KrisBryant99
      @KrisBryant99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not really. You just got to know what your mind wont tolerate but I DO agree that cult personalities do exist but cults dont exist by fate. You just have to know what feels off for your organic thinking.

  • @zencreature
    @zencreature 4 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    So many Scientology terms, suppressive people, Therapists are bad, saving humanity, the "tech"... UGH. So sorry she went through this. They took her good intentions and twisted them against her.

    • @quintuplebanned4267
      @quintuplebanned4267 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Therapists are kind of, bad though. I never joined a cult to learn this information.

    • @jamesgirl208
      @jamesgirl208 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@quintuplebanned4267 why do you believe that?

    • @fraufuchs9555
      @fraufuchs9555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I see a lot in common with Jehova witnesses too.

    • @tiffprendergast
      @tiffprendergast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

    • @christofl6523
      @christofl6523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No, she actually used these techniques against others to get them to join and then got out and played the victim card.

  • @charlesderosas5577
    @charlesderosas5577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +195

    That cooking part with Allyson's friends was a trip.

    • @brandocabz1023
      @brandocabz1023 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      watch that clip end up in the vow season 2 lol

    • @charlesderosas5577
      @charlesderosas5577 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@brandocabz1023 if they had smart phones maybe lol.

    • @kellyl7688
      @kellyl7688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, totally weird.

    • @JD-dr3rg
      @JD-dr3rg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Haha his reaction was hilarious. Can't wait to see the interview they have with Nancy salzman.

    • @taylorwelling9242
      @taylorwelling9242 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Right!

  • @dougpirko211
    @dougpirko211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I slept on this one last week, and just came back. So glad I did. This may be one of my favourite Inside of You episode.

  • @hankbug
    @hankbug 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I just finished the series "The Vow" and I can't believe how long Keith Raneire was allowed to navigate in this world. Sarah, Bonnie, Catherine, actually all the women/men that fought to bring this to light are brave beyond measure. Thank you Michael for interviewing such an incredible woman.

    • @Deedubau
      @Deedubau 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They would still be around if it wasn't for Sarah and Mark trying to actively stop them. I can't exactly blame anyone for leaving and not doing anything about it because they had tons of money to go after and threaten anyone who tried to take them down.

    • @hankbug
      @hankbug 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Deedubau Exactly.

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@hankbugmale chauvinistic behavior is still very much acceptable to men AND women.

  • @TheMelMan
    @TheMelMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +114

    This was incredibly insightful. And really sad. I really loved Allison Mack as a kid. So sad that her life and all these other people went like that. Glad Sarah and her family got out.

    • @taffysaur
      @taffysaur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I felt the same, I always had such a crush on her. Well, more on the character of Chloe, but yeah...

    • @Mythowars
      @Mythowars ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I watched smallville after it had finished viewing on tv. My buddy had the box set at his place and I as a huge Superman fan said yo what are these. He said dude you haven’t seen this show? And popped it in. I binged and binged and loved it and it’s characters. About a month after I finished the show I figured out about Allison Mack and my chest sank. I was like Michael and said to my friend holy shit I can’t believe it she seems so sweet.

    • @catspaw3092
      @catspaw3092 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's hard to believe she would fall into this why would she ask Keith to help her become a great actress again when she already was? If she felt she wanted to talk to someone she should've went to a therapist & lets not for get her castmate Kristin got Allison into the cult. Had Allison not been to NXIVM she would still be acting today..

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@catspaw3092maybe, maybe not.

  • @leannepritchett6323
    @leannepritchett6323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Sarah is a brave woman to come on and share her story. This is going to be a powerful episode that we can all learn from. Thank you Rosey for dedicating this episode to such an important topic❤️

    • @EngineerInMotion
      @EngineerInMotion 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you related to Jay Pritchett?

    • @leannepritchett6323
      @leannepritchett6323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nope. No relation.

    • @meredithheath5272
      @meredithheath5272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @Bobby yeah - turns out, apparently, that she benefitted from "next victim", but when the house if cards began to fall, she figured that she would be smart and play the victim, so she would escape legal charges

    • @christofl6523
      @christofl6523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She is just as guilty as the others. None of them including Keith should have gone to prison because they all chose to be in that group. There were no victims until after the fact.

    • @danyluk1
      @danyluk1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      she's a phony

  • @Kiytcu
    @Kiytcu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I’m so proud of everyone that was involved speaking out.

  • @peterp8542
    @peterp8542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Just started watching the vow, I never understood how people can get involved in such crazy situations but the 1st episode provides a lot of clarity.

    • @beyonce3
      @beyonce3 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      After episode one I wanted to join 👀

    • @AlyxCoe
      @AlyxCoe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not enough clarity, as far as I'm concerned. I've got questions that probably never will be answered.

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@beyonce3😂

  • @JessimusPrime
    @JessimusPrime 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    This was an excellent interview, Michael! I followed Smallville for the whole run and each cast member feels like a high school friend. Finding out Allison was so knee deep in it was shocking. I feel hurt for her and everyone who was affected by Keith ultimately. I’ve been absorbing all informations on this, just looking for answers. This was simply excellent. We can feel that you’re also shook by this, I think we’re all on that boat. Great educational tool to know what to look out for when it comes to cults. Seems like every generation has its prominent one and every generation has to be educated against them.

  • @princesslollypop7764
    @princesslollypop7764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +146

    He got sentenced to 120 years in prison. And there are people who still support him and believe he is innocent. So crazy

    • @angie8412
      @angie8412 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Koo Koo is for crazy pops..lol lol. Ya 1000% rite!!! (Ya remember that cerial commercial)?

    • @ebogar42
      @ebogar42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      There are people that support Kyle Coward Rittenhouse too. That's even more crazy that people think you can just gun down a person just because you have a gun and someone tries to fight you. That's not how lethal force laws work at all. You definitely can't shoot the people that try to stop you from fleeing from a murder scene either. Also not how lethal force laws work when you're the murder suspect on the run with a gun.

    • @princesslollypop7764
      @princesslollypop7764 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ebogar42 thanks for the reply. Had to google Kyle. From Australia 🇦🇺. Gosh he is so young.

    • @ebogar42
      @ebogar42 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@princesslollypop7764 Yeah, he was young and very stupid. Will probably spend the rest of his life in prison. Half the country thinks he's a hero though. It's ridiculous.

    • @gonzothegreat1317
      @gonzothegreat1317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ebogar42 Or he'll get a medal. Depends on who wins in a few days from now, right?
      Your president, in his first term, let many guilty people walk free.
      Maybe in his next term he'll imprison the innocent.

  • @philipho188
    @philipho188 4 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    I was a huge fan of Alison Mack. If she approached me, I would've done anything for her. The people who are saying the vow people were stupid. Well if the right person approached you, you'll never know what you do...

    • @richardbillingsley9553
      @richardbillingsley9553 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Exactly. You don't know.

    • @ad8554
      @ad8554 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The older I get I feel like it's more like Michael says oh I know my brother....do I?. The older I get the more I don't put things past people and become more cautious/ skeptical of people's intentions

    • @kelly3014
      @kelly3014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree.

    • @AdultThirdCultureKid1971
      @AdultThirdCultureKid1971 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      None of us knows what we'd do if we were in the Vow people's situation.

    • @acer4237
      @acer4237 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Good comment...it’s sometimes easy to get lured in regardless of rich or poor.

  • @Reverb30
    @Reverb30 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This was a very powerful conversation because it touched a good amount of surface of what these cults are. Sarah was so candid about her thoughts and her own process on what she believed in and how a cult like this used her. She truly wanted to do good in the world, which we all do, as well as becoming better within ourselves. It’s scary to think how easy it is to fall into that.
    This was a major takeaway for all. Well done as always 👍

  • @jazminramos9750
    @jazminramos9750 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Loving that she is doing the best interview with whole family by her side

  • @nicholasmeola920
    @nicholasmeola920 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This is a great interview. Michael having a personal connection with Allison Mack really helps to draw you in. Allison Mack did some horrible things and she is going to pay the ultimate price but there is a part of me that can't help thinking that at one time she was a normal innocent woman who got lured by a sexual predator.

  • @sinman1968
    @sinman1968 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sarah Edmondson expresses herself just like my spirit animal does. Thank you Michael and crew for a fantastic interview. Great editing and levels too.

  • @gordenz24
    @gordenz24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Michael thanks for doing this interview there is a lot of us that haven't heard the story

  • @miriamhavard7621
    @miriamhavard7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm so glad Nippy kept loving his wife Sarah and the DOS thing didn't drive a wedge between them! 🌺

  • @craigmcavoy445
    @craigmcavoy445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Crazy...I live literally five minutes from the houses where this went down. Rainiere lived across the street from a good friend. I interacted with some of the members- seemed a little weird and “new agey” but no clue what was really going on. It’s so weird watching it on TV! So glad they got out and got help.

    • @pucktie215
      @pucktie215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was at Silver Bay when Nexium stayed there. Crazy.

    • @PolarisCastillo
      @PolarisCastillo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      How would you interact with the members?

    • @-M0LE
      @-M0LE 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PolarisCastillo exactly

    • @LovedandSavedbyYah
      @LovedandSavedbyYah 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow!

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You could write a paper or an article based on sharing your experience and perspective!

  • @jasonchicago7276
    @jasonchicago7276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think Sarah is an extraordinary person. I appreciate everything she's doing. She's the kind of friend I would want in life.

  • @dbgreene9020
    @dbgreene9020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Finally a full explanation of how this could happen to ANYONE. Really well done interview!!

    • @ElanaVital83
      @ElanaVital83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not anyone. She did say about 1 out of 30 recruits didn't fall for this

  • @Adry0110
    @Adry0110 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow! It's amazing how open, honest and calm she is about that whole situation. To be able to talk about that in public requires some special kind of strength. Being able to see, after 12 years, what the reality was...wow! I would be crawled up in ball somewhere. This is what I like about this podcast. Honest conversations with real people, not (just) the version of them we (the public) usually see on TV. Kudos!

  • @lindafogarty3924
    @lindafogarty3924 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    We should never judge a person for their mistakes, we all make them and all of us are deceived by people in one way or another at different times in our lives. It’s just great that she has come out of it and has learned so much from her experience. I’m really happy for her.

    • @killerbean5343
      @killerbean5343 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yea get what your saying but It doesn't excuse what she did

    • @ElanaVital83
      @ElanaVital83 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@killerbean5343 Exactly. She did hurt people under her.

    • @Will-ge7ri
      @Will-ge7ri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You should definitely judge a person based on their mistakes. Everyone plays awful actions off as mistakes. You should amend those judgements based on subsequent actions.

  • @conniepomerleau821
    @conniepomerleau821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    I have watched The Vow and all of Leah Reminis’ Scientology tv show and her podcast....... Keith definitely followed the same path as Hubbard. Way too many similarities to ignore, from the brainwashing and the terminology Sarah used. Such horrible human beings to do this to such good people! Thank you for sharing ❤️❤️ your journey

    • @StephanieTips
      @StephanieTips 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      They both bashed therapy, they both were based on paying more and more money to get to a progressively better place and stage in the "cult"

    • @tiffprendergast
      @tiffprendergast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup

    • @tiffprendergast
      @tiffprendergast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StephanieTips yup

    • @Raquel986
      @Raquel986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yep they both seem very similar!

    • @christophersmyth1908
      @christophersmyth1908 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michael, the similarities between NXIUM and Scientology are so close.
      You should have Leah Remini and Sarah on together sometime.

  • @brettglick8813
    @brettglick8813 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    What an amazing interview. I love the fact you didn't jump right into esp/nxivm. I find very interesting how someone grows and changes to become who they are and how they got there.

  • @teeshirtandjeans84
    @teeshirtandjeans84 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Scarred is such an amazing book. I highly recommend it, especially in audio book form (which Sarah narrates). Thank you for sharing your stories, Sarah. Much love and peace to you and your family ❤

  • @iLoveBlink182sTom
    @iLoveBlink182sTom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Can’t wait to watch this episode after Clinicals today. It’s definitely going to be an extremely interesting and powerful one! I admire her bravery to share her story ♥️

    • @InsideOfYouPodcast
      @InsideOfYouPodcast  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hope you enjoy it!

    • @danyluk1
      @danyluk1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Powerful ego and stupidity.

    • @thewkovacs316
      @thewkovacs316 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danyluk1 that is all that it is about

  • @arlo3502
    @arlo3502 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    What I get from this is that, just as the people leaving NXVIM are going through a process of coming to terms with reality after leaving the cult, Michael Rossenbaum is also going through his own process of reconciling how this could have happened to his friend Alisson.

    • @KrisBryant99
      @KrisBryant99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      NXVIM don't sound like a damn cult. It's just people having fun and doing what they want where as Sarah sounds like a jilted lover who probably got kicked put or wasn't favored 😂

  • @negation1978
    @negation1978 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    Looking forward to seeing how you handled this interview. It’s sure to be different and very interesting. Keep up the great episodes! ❤️

    • @InsideOfYouPodcast
      @InsideOfYouPodcast  4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Very different, but think you guys will dig it!

    • @latroletteeeee
      @latroletteeeee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InsideOfYouPodcast Sweetie.. You come off as very manipulative sometimes.

    • @maja1157
      @maja1157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@latroletteeeee says the one who uses the powerplay "sweetie"
      I'm sure any interviewer does.

  • @maxcardun
    @maxcardun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're real bold about the subjects you put on your show. I heard at a Smallville Panel that people weren't allowed to ask about NXIVM, but here you are touching that subject.

  • @jonathon8673
    @jonathon8673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Powerful eye-opening intense episode, glad you were able to have Sarah on to share her story. Thank you for another good one Rosey, appreciate all that you do.

  • @TvMovieSparks88
    @TvMovieSparks88 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So happy I am getting to know this side of Sarah we don’t see in the vow thank you rosey this big episode

  • @CyclonChick
    @CyclonChick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This was an intense and insightful interview. Very brave and very candid, really enjoyed it, thank you!

  • @md28stads
    @md28stads 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    So sad about Alison Mack. I remember really really liking her as a kid growing up. Just a tragedy what this cult did to these men and women

  • @vivianbloom166
    @vivianbloom166 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great conversation - thank goodness Sarah had the courage to come forward! It put an end to abuses that could have gone on for years.

  • @Capronice
    @Capronice 4 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I would find it very hard to trust anything Alison Mack ever says again. It appears to me that Alison Mack was fully aware what she was doing. She made sure the girls in DOS got branded. She wasn't like the ones who were branded and realized they were being abused. Mack was doing the abuse and took the role of master of the slaves. I think she was just as manipulative as Keith Raniere.

    • @meredithheath5272
      @meredithheath5272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      👏👏👏👏 it turns out, Edmonson is just as manipulative as the others. She got smart, and got out just before the house of cards fell, and played the victim to escape legal charges

    • @tiffprendergast
      @tiffprendergast 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup

    • @tiffprendergast
      @tiffprendergast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Tasha Vladimiroff not true

    • @theyoutubeanalyst3731
      @theyoutubeanalyst3731 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@meredithheath5272 how do you know that? And how she ended up getting branded if she was as manipulative as the others? Because I don't think Allison got branded

    • @KrisBryant99
      @KrisBryant99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@theyoutubeanalyst3731because the "cult" she escaped from was just people having fun where as you can tell she's just angry about not being favored anymore in it.

  • @ericsessa3579
    @ericsessa3579 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great episode! I like how this one was slightly different in terms of its approach by tackling something that affected a lot of people but still retained the same tone as the rest of your podcasts.

  • @Playitstraight44
    @Playitstraight44 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was one of the best interviews I've seen in years. Well done! Michael I think your questions were asked respectfully and done with tremendous tack. Just an incredible story.

  • @illimattic
    @illimattic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    There was a special feature on the smallville DVDs about Allison Mack directing a smallville episode "Power," which shows that she was always interested in self help, purpose, and female empowerment, so she was the perfect person to be manipulated by Raniere.

    • @lizbif0315
      @lizbif0315 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I think by then she was already well into nexium

    • @stonehorn4641
      @stonehorn4641 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@lizbif0315 exactly. She was directly involved with Rainire by then.

    • @kb5509
      @kb5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      An actor just directing an episode of a TV show is not evidence of anything. Most actors direct an episode of their show if it's on long enough.

  • @lauragalvez3596
    @lauragalvez3596 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    iI love to listen to these podcast on a daily basis. They're so niceeee. I feel like i'm chatting with friends about interesting stuff.

  • @sarynellivalerin7691
    @sarynellivalerin7691 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Michael, you did a great job in this interview. It's tricky and dark stuff to talk about but you put it in laymen's terms as you like to say and made it really personable. If there's any lesson to be learned from this is to beware of people who can sense your vulnerability because if you run across someone like Keith Raniere, they will always manipulate you to get what they want. Also, ALWAYS listen to your gut. You know yourself better than anyone!

  • @s1thpunk
    @s1thpunk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    What Michael didn't mention was that Kristen Kreuk was the one who introduced her (Allison) to this group in the first place.

    • @bhargavipba
      @bhargavipba 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      And then Kristin got out before things started to get weird but Allison was sucked into it.

    • @GrahamCStrouse
      @GrahamCStrouse 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@bhargavipbaThings were weird from the start. Kristin worked that part out. Allison was drawn to the weirdness like a moth to a flame.

  • @prncssgk19
    @prncssgk19 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I look forward to every Tuesday because there’s a new episode of IOU but I have been watching The Vow so I’m even more excited for this interview! Love you, Rosey!😘💙

  • @MrSmith-zo6po
    @MrSmith-zo6po 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    After watching most of "The Vow" after starting this podcast, this woman deserves a medal.

  • @LiLisa24
    @LiLisa24 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I know this episode is going to be a powerful one and very interesting. Sarah Edmondson is such a brave woman to be sharing her story and her experiences.
    Thank you for having her on podcast Rosey.
    I'm so grateful I get to tune in to this podcast every week. It is the best and so are you. Thank you for all you do ❤️
    Happy Tuesday 💙

    • @InsideOfYouPodcast
      @InsideOfYouPodcast  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Happy Tuesday :) we get into a lot on it. good stuff

    • @LiLisa24
      @LiLisa24 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@InsideOfYouPodcast Wow!! That was an amazing interview!

  • @jimbobjunior.
    @jimbobjunior. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I would never have fallen into it purely because I'm way too cheap to spend even half that kind of money on anything!

    • @ElanaVital83
      @ElanaVital83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I wouldn't have fallen for it because my parents forced me to go to a creepy church as a kid. Anything where a group of people are trying to dictate how I am makes me claustrophobic

    • @okyouknowwhatever
      @okyouknowwhatever หลายเดือนก่อน

      This "everyone can fall into a cult" mantra some of these cult victims repeat just seems like a thing to say to feel better about themselves. Thing is it's most always a certain type of naive and over-idealistic person who falls victim to this type of organisations or con men. I listened to a fairly long segment with Mark Vicente here on YT, Sarah Edmonson's business partner and fellow Raniere cult member, and while he came across as a fairly intelligent and nice guy, he still had gone into it all with this ambition to "make the world a better place through a new consciousness" or some shit like that, which just sounds super cult-ish in itself.

  • @bigmaky8253
    @bigmaky8253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Mark Twain said, "It's easier to fool someone than convince them they've been fooled." Even more when you have "skin" in the game.
    That's why pro football players go broke chasing bad investments with worse ones.
    And that's how people join a self help group and, after paying lots of money and the giving of their time, chase a return on that investment.
    Trying to get that return creates a "blind spot" for evil. Instead of cutting your losses, you double down.

    • @adrianacortez9064
      @adrianacortez9064 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes I remember Mark Twain quite often. I read HuckleberryFinn and I remember my teacher quoting Mark Twain and I have never forgotten her lesson and she pointed it out where it happens in the book. It has stayed with me forever at all times and what I got from it is that these people that are deceiving get away with it oftentimes because those that catch on are too embarrassed to accept what had happened to them to tell and these con artists simply pick up their tents and continue their cons somewhere else

  • @karent2419
    @karent2419 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    TH-cam directed me here because I was just listening to something else about the Vow. And I stayed for the whole thing! You're an excellent interviewer who lets people talk. I thought you were very empathetic and real. quick Google search on you shows me you're a fellow Long Islander! No wonder...

    • @landofjennay
      @landofjennay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am with you. I was like “I’ll just watch a couple minutes and then do something else.” Two hours later and I’ve watched the whole thing.

  • @AlizzaBliss
    @AlizzaBliss 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I had the same reaction as Michael from the first ep then the second lol Like "That actually sounds interesting" to "Holy shit WTF!"

    • @opindersangha2761
      @opindersangha2761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Watch Seduced. The reaction you had, I had too. My questions were what happened? how did it happen? Nothing looks wrong here. Where as Seduced makes you see exactly what NXIVM was.

    • @AlizzaBliss
      @AlizzaBliss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@opindersangha2761 Yes!

  • @meganh7448
    @meganh7448 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    wow this was the interview I was waiting for. Thank you to Sarah for sharing more of her story. The Vow is so good. What a horrific tale of a sociopath!

  • @smdias65
    @smdias65 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Wow. The loyalists that she mentioned sound like the female members of the Manson family who would stand outside the courthouse and shout about the injustice of Manson's trial. I'm glad she got out of that.
    Michael, did you ever think about calling your band (or duo I guess) Rosey Dan?

  • @icc2010
    @icc2010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I live right outside Albany, NY and its weird knowing this shit was going on essentially in my backyard. Especially growing up watching Smallville.

  • @kulaniwarner7262
    @kulaniwarner7262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great interview! People who think they can’t be fooled, no matter how “smart” they think they are, are in fact more prone to being bamboozled.

  • @paulamarie43
    @paulamarie43 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You handled the interview really really well. I just found your Chanel and I subbed for your authentic approach to real life. I honour this interview and pray the best for this family.

  • @Coopenator
    @Coopenator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's so much of this that reminds me of Heaven's Gate. The insular community, the not questioning the leaders, etc.

  • @sablehillgsdsbecca3673
    @sablehillgsdsbecca3673 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Very insightful powerful interview, wow. Thank you Michael and Sarah for this. I always look forward to Tuesdsys now just to finish work come home unwined by listening to this great Podcast. I find myself being able yo relate to come of the guests and you Micheal. Looking forward to next weeks episode. Thank you to everyone that puts this Podcast to life.

  • @sjogre7789
    @sjogre7789 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Don't feel to odd. People who knew Ted Bundy wanted him to run for public office. Because he was so charismatic.

  • @Ted2of25
    @Ted2of25 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you for doing this podcast. I've been watching The Vow myself and it's scary how they indoctrinated so many people. If i didn't have such a good support system in my family and friends i fear i might have fell for all of it myself.
    I don't know Alison personally(outside of Smallville) but as a fan, it hurts me to hear how deeply she was involved in this cult. I see so many people online outright condemning her yet keeping holding out hope that she's not beyond redemption. This conversation helped me feel a little better about that, i look forward to when Alison can come on and tell her story.

    • @tinawindham6958
      @tinawindham6958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So true. No family ties, lots of mental illness, ptsd. Very easy to get roped in and have instant big family support!

  • @Ireanna
    @Ireanna 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    You should watch Seduced on Starz, they go into it a lot deeper than the vow.

    • @dethtrip663
      @dethtrip663 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I found the vow to be more interesting. Mainly because of how much footage they had. Listening to all the recorded phone calls you can actually hear what was said to justify the actions as well as what was said to pull people out of this thing.
      To me watching the vow it felt like I was right there with them as they were waking up to the insanity and blowing the whistle on this crazy ass cult.

    • @nonnidreams
      @nonnidreams 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🚨BIG SPOILER🚨‼️❗️
      He “taught” to normalize “child pedophilia”...Cringe😬
      E01 of Seduced: Inside The NXVIM Cult, near the end.

    • @mykidsmomogx5
      @mykidsmomogx5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually watched both the Vow and Seduced with my 18yr old daughter. Glad I did

    • @nonnidreams
      @nonnidreams 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mykidsmomogx5,
      I am having a hard time watching Seduced...so many cringey moments, as a highly sensitive, perceptive and empathetic person. Vow was easier, and interviews on TH-cam.
      Very eye opening to know the signs to warn people from getting sucked into a cult, right?

    • @briannalee1998
      @briannalee1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I want to see it

  • @loolufun
    @loolufun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Bothers me so much the victim shaming of the ex members on social media watching the vow! These people put themselves at risk to expose KR/illegal behavior/get him arrested. FBI really dropped the ball for too long! I'm curious if some were bought too by bronfman money.
    Can you get Mark Vicente (film maker)
    And no offense I hope Allison goes to prison for a long time. She was high level, right hand to Satan and enjoyed punishing women. She liked the power. Read Cath's book too.

    • @quintuplebanned4267
      @quintuplebanned4267 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      How judgy and shaming are you? Don’t you kind of think maybe Allison Mack could also be considered, at least a partial victim, if Mark is? The depth of his involvement was deep enough to see the vile nature of Keith Raniere. Just because he wised up a little quicker than Allison might have more to do with being male, in this particular cult, than you are considering.

    • @GB2595
      @GB2595 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A person can be a victim and a perpetrator at the same time. So Alison being a victim of Reniere and her victimising women can both be true at the same time. So she should not get away with that. She used these women as slaves and made them sleep with Raniere. She does not get to play the victim.

    • @stevenedwardmaylott6078
      @stevenedwardmaylott6078 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think Micheal makes a good point when he makes the comparison to knowing people from high school and how they become different people other the years. Then his story about Alison Mack turning up to his house like she owned it.

  • @Papas321
    @Papas321 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for keeping all of this in the forefront. People need to know what is happening.

  • @amydearing9866
    @amydearing9866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really wish they had talked about Nicki Clyne (also an actress) & how she is the one out dancing in front of the prison & married to Allison Mack

  • @tanyashearer4374
    @tanyashearer4374 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love that you had Sarah on the podcast. She is incredibly brave to tell us her story.

  • @ambersmithdash
    @ambersmithdash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This seems so much like Scientology. Things are really similar. Leah Remini’s documentary series was one of the most eye opening things to be about cults. Anxious to see the vow!

  • @John-ip1bp
    @John-ip1bp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Much respect Sarah ❤️ Your strength is an inspiration to so many. Thank you for sharing your story. I know it could not have been easy.

  • @Isazouzi
    @Isazouzi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Congrats on this interview, you did an awesome job.

  • @theresemarkham9387
    @theresemarkham9387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It was so brave of her to discuss this. I am so glad that she got out safely.

  • @kellyyork3898
    @kellyyork3898 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Things like this make me so glad I’m an introvert…I don’t need to belong to any group…just thinking about being around people like this makes me break out in a rash.

  • @sgtgiggles
    @sgtgiggles ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is one brave woman. Good for her and Marc Vicente for getting out and trying to help people to get out

  • @anekamckenzie9504
    @anekamckenzie9504 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow Michael, the last interview I really enjoyed was Kevin Conroy & I thought that was amazing. Congrats on another awesome interview this time with this powerful story about the Nexium cult. Keep up the good work. Hope you still get some good rest & recharge time in between working on your podcasts though.

  • @skiinian85
    @skiinian85 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember when my a capella group was being recruited by them in Albany back in 2007-2008. I remember joking that Keith looked like he thought he was the 2nd coming if Christ but also was so cool meeting Allison Mack. Never got sucked....but jeez who knew 😳

  • @silviar.7438
    @silviar.7438 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Michael Rosenbaum is 48 ! Whaaaa... goddamn you aged well. You still look 35 you handsome man you

  • @johnmunoz2320
    @johnmunoz2320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have enjoyed all of your podcasts since I discovered it a few months back but lately you've been on an absolute tear. Thanks for all the hard work you put into this show, we appreciate you!

  • @Moviefan2k4
    @Moviefan2k4 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I saw a sit-down video with Allison and Keith Raniere once, and it was clear to me she was pretty much fawning over him. I have no idea what she saw in him, because to me he seemed like a slick-tongued weasel who was playing on her desire to be accepted. I'm glad she got out of his cult, but I really hope she gets some professional emotional help.

  • @briannalee1998
    @briannalee1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    She's a voice actress. When I was seven and obsessed with Barbie, she was in one of those movies. I didn't know it was her until I looked her up. I recognize her voice now.

  • @niros9667
    @niros9667 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great episode Michael. I've been following this story since word first broke, being a huge Smallville fan I immediately thought of you and how shocking it must be to you. I honestly still can't believe that Alison Mack was one of the ones behind it, it's creepy that she's always seemed constantly sweet in the media prior to all this... Could be one of the most shocking celebrity stories of our time to be honest.

    • @GothamKnight84661
      @GothamKnight84661 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      She never was, she's the devil!!

    • @miriamhavard7621
      @miriamhavard7621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I watched "Smallville" for Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Annette O'Toole.

  • @DonnaBoyleMedium
    @DonnaBoyleMedium 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    And this is why I say, "there is no good/bad, right/wrong" You found your purpose in this experience. Look at what you are doing now. YOU ARE shifting Soul consciousness, Sarah. And you asked for a sign . . . you got it. Thank you for your service to all Souls. I appreciate the sacrifice you made for all of us.

    • @ElanaVital83
      @ElanaVital83 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah. Don't make her a hero. Remember she hurt people, too

  • @jonnysith
    @jonnysith 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of the best documentaries I've ever watched. My heart goes out to everyone hurt by the perpetrators.

  • @merrittfamilycircle
    @merrittfamilycircle ปีที่แล้ว

    Micheal I’ve been following your smallville podcast, and just started listening to your inside of you podcast, though I loved smallville, I think your really making a difference here! Keep up the good work, mad respect for you!

  • @louisecoulombe2854
    @louisecoulombe2854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    These long days at these seminars would make one very vulnerable. They're tired, they've been made to listen all day long for hours on end. Tony Robbins, Chances...they all prey on people this way.

  • @backto-il9ne
    @backto-il9ne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is such a f**king amazing interview. Michael, you are the real deal. I wish you good health and happiness.

  • @acer4237
    @acer4237 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    After watching The Vow , at first I thought these are adult women sleeping with a conman but now see it was more than that. I’m sure when they heard the sentence of 120 years, it gave them some peace and sense of justice knowing he’d be behind bars.

  • @marcusvalera5406
    @marcusvalera5406 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A friend of mine told me about this podcast.
    Probably I'm a little late watching it...but I have to say.......it is great!!!
    It's 11:PM and I've been listening since 6:00 PM. Totally hooked.
    Cheers Michael!!!!!!

  • @icegypsy99
    @icegypsy99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Back in college, they brought in a hypnotist for entertainment. You know the kind of thing where they bring random people up on stage and make them bark etc. I was always very skeptical of that sort of thing. Due to an incident from my childhood. I always had major trust issues. The thought of not having control of myself always terrified me. It's why I never got into drugs or drinking.
    Anyway, as this guy starts the show he starts talking in that soft calming therapist tone of voice. As he continues random people just start walking up on stage. It was the craziest thing. After about 20 minutes of him talking, I found myself compelled to go up on stage myself. The little voice in the back of my mind went; wtf wake up. Don't allow this guy get into your head and take control over you.
    If I almost gave in to that, I can see how even a strong willed person could get sucked into a cult like that. Scary that it went on as long as it did. I feel bad for the ones that lost years from their life they will never get back. I hope they are able to find their way back to their real selves against.

    • @Raquel986
      @Raquel986 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh wow that’s crazy scary!

    • @icegypsy99
      @icegypsy99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Raquel986 I watched some of the videos of Keith Raniere. talking to Allison Mack, and on occasion, he talked the way that hypnotist talked I saw back in college. very creepy to see

    • @Raquel986
      @Raquel986 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@icegypsy99 I have always wondered if hypnosis was real. But after reading what you said it’s really real! And after watching the Seduced documentary on Starz those people were really manipulative by using hypnosis. I’m going to find the video with Allison and that freak name Keith.

    • @coldwhitespring5004
      @coldwhitespring5004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nancy Salzman did hypnosis before she got involved in Nexium.

  • @mikeholihan5649
    @mikeholihan5649 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great interview.... followed The Vow documentary before i saw this interview... now I need to rewatch Five Star Christmas... loved the movie but missed her... glad she is acting again!!

  • @RobertoGarcia-kh3pn
    @RobertoGarcia-kh3pn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lex always seems to be a cool down to earth cat, I’m glad he did this podcast episode.. keep up the great work M.R.

  • @MrHousecup
    @MrHousecup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m glad Nippy joined in. He contributed well to the episode.

  • @geektalkwithbrianfromearth1480
    @geektalkwithbrianfromearth1480 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This was a great podcast. I read Sarah's book and saw that she wanted to help people. She was also a brave and humble person and Nippy sounds like a cool dude. And Michael is awesome and funny as always! Keep it up, Michael!!!

  • @kirstycoulthard
    @kirstycoulthard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow... What a fantastic episode so open and honest a real eye opener, keep up the good work Michael 😍 I love inside of you podcast can't wait to hear more episodes 💙💙💙

  • @IronmanV5
    @IronmanV5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    The real scary part of her story is how it could have happened to anyone, including myself.
    I'm Glad for her and her husband that they escaped and that they are doing better.

    • @thewkovacs316
      @thewkovacs316 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      think so? as wc fields said, you cant cheat an honest man

    • @carletonlegrant5605
      @carletonlegrant5605 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thewkovacs316 Sorry would not happen to me I'm sorry but if people are stupid enough to get into a cult they deserve what they get. They must of not been very smart to begin with, Anyone who agrees to brand themselves is a moron that should of made these women get sane quick. These Women just did not have common sense.

    • @tylermane77
      @tylermane77 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carletonlegrant5605 Ohh you're so tough. Spoken like somebody who has zero actual knowledge of how people get sucked into cults. And if you do, you actively reject it to peacock on the internet like an asshole.

    • @icepikoftime
      @icepikoftime 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't look down on people who are susceptible to joining a cult, but I and many others aren't one of them. I know it's very common to say "it could happen to you too" but I think it's a coping mechanism and that's a perfectly fine thing to say. Whatever helps you get there mentally.

    • @taffysaur
      @taffysaur 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carletonlegrant5605 *should HAVE
      You should be sure of your grammar before crowing on the internet about how much smarter than everyone else you are.

  • @mbbeautea6986
    @mbbeautea6986 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m obsessed with that poster of the Jerk!!!! One of my all time favorite Steve Martin movies!! Bowfinger? Love is SO MUCH & of course who doesn’t love dirty rotten scoundrels??

  • @winkipinky
    @winkipinky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yo Michael, I just discovered this channel and I gotta say NICE JOB dude! Love the content!

  • @chrisozmcintosh8891
    @chrisozmcintosh8891 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure how long your show has been back on video Rosey, but THANK YOU for bringing it back! I like the visual.