I love your comment in the end about the semi active players. I've spoken to a lot of people that say the game doesn't really have a reason to grind it, that it doesn't give them motivation to do so. They mostly say that the game is fun, and they play it casually, but making it more competitive will encourage players to get better and have more fun in doing so. Just imagine the high elo lobbies and the (future) esport scene where players will analyse strategies, adjust to problems, come up with new solutions, we would see so much more creativity in defending/attacking places just because people are going to try to top each other. Honestly can't wait for the pro analysis of different maps, locations, cashouts, etc. Great vid btw, the only one out of the "the finals is dead" that isn't actually made to milk views, shows genuine solutions to problems and doesn't yap for 10 minutes to get ad revenue. Much love, 20 minutes well spent
Thanks man! My longest video on The Finals and I cut out as much as I could! I really tried to cover a lot of topics others arent while being productive and cutting any bs or filler. Just wanna see this game thrive. Means a lot!!
im not sure i entirely agree...i've finished the battlepass, caught up on the career, did the personal progression, etc. i have nothing left to grind atm. but i still play th game cuz i need the practice and cuz its fun, i dont like playing ranked cuz im not really 'sweaty' like that and i dont like doing 'the meta' (i've gotten into sledge/charge lately) while not everyone will just keep playing the game cuz its fun, and having something to gain from playing besides JUST entertainment is nice, i dont think it's fair to say "we need this game to be SUPER focused on ELO grinding and competitive to keep players" as if it's the only real motivation....there's plenty of motivation outside of that comp group.
Speaking as a casual player, it’s not that the game doesn’t have the ability to be grinded, it’s just that I have a life and don’t have a lot of time to play video games so I just try to enjoy it instead of stressing about meaningless in game things
( sorry for bad english) I played in the games beta and they were so nice to give me 10000 in game currency. but the tricked me and removed all my money and cosmetictiks when the game released. this made me very mad and ruined a big part of the game for me. also in the beta the lights doubel barrel-shotgun was acctuly good and could to hit heavys but then they nerfed it and it made the light unusable and runied the light for me. The gameplay is also so sloppy and its such a snoose fest, the enemis game tank soooo many shots before they die. like how can you have fun playing this game and mediuems loves theire glaze gun and the trigangelet in a corner and heals eathceother. also the light sniper sucks, when you headshot the heavy the do not die but have a quater of their health left and thats sooo annoying and trash, like if you get a big jucie bullet through your head then your gonna die not survieve with a quater of your health left. all the other weapons the heavy has is abslout gargabe. this makes the heavy not very versitle with its only good weapon being the sledge hammer. the heavy cant do shit when the enemy is 3 meters anaway from you. the rocket laucher is ass and has a long cold down which makes it useless. and the infamous goo gang gun is a useless peice of trash, you can not kill with it and it barely protect yourself with it. mediums are by far the most op class and the most boring one. everytime i see a medium on the battlefield i hurts my eyes and soul because i know they a gonna glaze and glaze and glaze their teammate to eternity and onwards. all medium are goonner who realese their life load on thiere team which makes it impossible to kill them. the mediums also have the most op and verstile loadout. the finals have also very many pc and consle performance issuses. very often my game wont run and it lags out and crashes, it also happend with one of my friends. this game is a poor exuess of a game and should not be played by anyone ever. the second someone mentions the finals my whole body quakes in pain. please never metion the finals near me. the finals is a disgrace to the human race and should have never been made. but the beta was alright, mabye if they bring the beta back i will take back my alligationsions towards this game. pls give me back my 10000 beta ingame curency.
i want to say (as of my own experience) the finals is a game where you TRUELY need to be engaged and really trying to get your skill up so you have a good time, besides tf2, i now think its really boring and not a lot of action. and the finals is the opposite and it pretty easy to engage in
As someone that loves this game, I have to say that overwatch just has many more options for playstyle, and the fact that the meta in the Finals changes every 2 weeks makes it more incosistent
@@THE-STREET-HERO what are you on? The finals have a lot of different playstyles. Sure OW technically has more, but 70% of them are out of the meta and unusable. OW meta has always been super unbalanced. The finals' meta is quite consistent with only a few meta guns being adjusted for balance.
@@THE-STREET-HERO that's fair if that's what you believe. But in my opinion, overwatch is just counterpicking simulator (not fun). Wanna play as your favorite hero? TOO BAD, they're shit in the current meta.
@@THE-STREET-HERO not an overwatch fan, last thing I heard about it was the increase hitbox thing or something like that. Did they revert that or does every one just have a massive hitbox now?
@@chaseclingman i mean if you’re playing ranked…you’re talking to your teammates to collectively make decisions and more so yea i’d say using a mic in ranked is common sense
@@jaidyn.mOverwatch has a text chat….Left 4 Dead has a text chat. I can list hundreds of game with this feature. And the funny part? They also have voice chat. I don’t see how your argument really fares when millions of games that are competitive have text and voice chat
Honestly The Finals is just a baby of a live service. I'm more interested about this conversation at it's first year anniversary. It may not feel like this game is new, but it's been out for less than six months, and live service is a marathon. It's all about what embark brings season to season, and how the community evolves. On the other side, I see a lot of people that I match with spending money on battlepass minimum. I think it's a good thing. Embark has a solid product, and they're a small studio further divided into two teams (they have arc raiders in their pipeline as well). With the funds, and knowing they'll use them wisely, I'm sure they can continue to cook and deliver at the pace they started with. (major content drops every 3 months, events monthly, balances biweekly-ish, etc)
I think some people are afraid to be bad at a game at first I have to show this game to multiple of my friends who all said it was really unique and fun but then after getting rolled a couple games, they hop off and go back to the game and playing for four years
Improving the meta/balance and matchmaker would make this experience a lot better for new players! This is why they're both so critical. No one likes queuing up as a new player and go against people who have played for months! Hopefully your friends give the game another chance! Once you learn the basics this game is SO fun even for beginners! Thanks for stopping by!
Even I just recently started playing it and after a few matches and finding the right strategies for the game, it’s actually fun and even the causal matches starts to feel competitive but not sweaty or raging, I had a few close games just because of either bad plays or close call matches. It’s fun and deserves a lot of respect. At least better then the current cod or other games that’s out there
Yeah this isn't an 'afraid to be bad' issue. I have played like, somewhere between 10 and 20 games of The Finals. I literally have a 0% winrate. Every single game is a complete stomp, and it's not just me, my entire team are made up of people who have no clue what we're doing. Meanwhile the other teams are team gigachad vs team tryhard.
@@bellidrael7457yeah gaming as a whole is just a battlefield (not the game) at this point. You can’t compete with all these people on benefits playing the game 24/7 when you yourself have a job/have studies to do.
Most small TH-camrs jump onto hype trains to grow- you broke the cycle, calling out "THE FINALS is dead!" trope many yappology experts constantly feed the gaming community. You earned my subscription.
I just wanna buy items seperate from bundles, so many times i see a single item that i would 100% buy for a decent price over having to buy the full bundle its tied to for $20
yeah would be nice but as TBo said below, the devs have to rely on this kind of tactic to generate revenue. At least the game is free and the bundles are cheaper than COD, Overwatch, Fortnite and others. It's not perfect but I understand they gotta make money. In my eyes they're worth every penny. Im also grateful they have multiple bundles per season that give out free coins. The bunny outfit bundle gives free coins, the starter pack gives free coins, and the battlepass gives out coins. Dont forget the devs also added EARNABLE coins in the career circuit! It's rare for a dev team to allow you to do this! Makes me really happy they have options for everyone including those who dont have as much money to spend.
@@GravityDrop The thing is IMO they would probably make a good bit more money by letting people buy items seperate from bundles at a slight markup, people are willing to spend 5 here, 10 there on bits that they like way more often than having to spend a lot at once on a bundle including items they may not want, im personally one of them where i would buy several items straight away if i could, but the fact id need to spend upwards of $40 ~ 50 to make the outfit i want is silly, where i could just buy the whole outfit i want for say, $10 ~ 20 (Pricing should depend on item/rarity etc) Im not saying all bundles should be gone, just give us the ability to also buy items seperate and then have the bundle be a discount for the multiple items.
It's 2024 and people still create videos talking about how a game lost a majority of the playerbase. No it didn't lose the playerbase, most games start off with a bang like that and then it stabilizes and then eventually either goes up if the devs do well or dies if they fuck up. Why would you count people playing on day 1 as part of the playerbase? They were literally just checking out the game and then dropping it. Those first day players never ''left'' the game, they weren't even active players in the first place. There are 15k people playing right now, that is not a dead game by a looong shot. People comparing to numbers like CSGO, Valorant, Fortnite etc. do not understand how astronomical those numbers are. 15k for a small dev team like this is a very good number and it is up to the devs to just keep at it. (and we're talking about PC numbers only).
People also forget that this January and February was huge for games in general. Helldivers, Palworld, Last Epoch, Apex updates, etc. an absurd amount of popular games came out very quickly right as the launch bump started to fall off. That's not to say its the only reason, or even the biggest one, but it definitely helped suck away any space the game had. I'll be playing this game as long as Embark supports it though, I adore this game, and hope to cast some matches when they improve custom lobbies
I guess since I’m coming from the tactical shooter side of steam where average player base could be 2k-3k on a Saturday. So it feels like this game is full of players but of course a lot of people won’t have that perspective. I’m not competitive so idc about ranked levels and that grind. I just want fun and balanced time. Surely this game isn’t going anywhere b/c they’ve made money from the battle pass and store. They’ll get the state of the game exactly how the devs want it. I believe it
Waiting for the circuit challenges to unlock is terrible. I was playing consistently until I hit 7/7 on tier 1 and got bored waiting for tier 2 to show up.
I'll never understand why anyone would quit playing an amazing fps simply because they've unlocked everything. I play video games to have fun and every time I turn on the finals it's a blast🎉
@@-KIMISAFOX because I solo q ranked. so when my team is composed of myself and 2 lights it’s nice to know there’s still something I’m playing towards even if my team mates are throwing
About the dominant weapons in the meta, sure it gets old to see the same weapons be used, but I want to be careful about conveying the message to Embark, cause I actually think the way those weapons "feel" are pretty good, and instead they should study how to make other weapons feel stronger to keep up
you have to understand that there is a ton of competition in the fps genre, the fact that the finals is even considered a good side game by so many people is already a massive win
This is the best video of the finals I’ve ever seen. Never seen someone with the guts to admit that FPS cheating is currently a problem with little solutions, I think people need to talk about this more so people stop expecting embark to drop a leet anti cheat that noscopes wall hackers out of the air
its interesting how there's people saying the exact opposite: the finals isn't really made to be a ranked game, and the constant balancing changes put off the 300k casual players, keeping around only the 10k or so that keep up with the meta
Here's the issue. You can't design a game from the ground up to be a competitive Esport game. That's just not how gaming works. So many companies have tried to 'make an Esport game', and it never works out. You have to build the game, build the community, and then the community decides to make it an Esport.
yes would love if the gameshow events just changed teh environment more. Both alien/retro invasion and meteor shower should vastly alter a section of the map. Doesn't have to wipe players out but makes the most of the destruction.
Loved the video, glad this got a lot more views and attention then most other finals videos out currently. This is a perfect angle on it and I’m excited for the future of the game
Really appreciate this! Im so happy this video ended up being the BIGGEST state of The Finals video put out there even topping Ottr's! I always outwork my competitors and put more time into each video than any other creator for The Finals! Always feels really good when I get love for it! Thank you!! Have a fantastic day and enjoy an ospuze!!
@@GravityDrop I can tell! You are one of the only TH-camr takes I can completely get behind. Obviously some just look at the negatives and some are blinded by a great game and think there isn’t anything wrong. You covered mostly everything spanning over both sides and proved how the game has a lasting future. The AMA that happened yesterday I believe backs so much of what you said and it really seems like they are going head first into making this game truly amazing. They even said how they are planning for years to come.
@@Joepoeee reading some of their AMA comments got me so EXCITED dude. I love how I literally called so much of it lol. These devs have me JACKED for Seasons 3 and beyond! Im telling you man this game gets spectator mode + ranked and it's going to the moon🚀
They need cooler player models; I don't like the three options we have in game now. Choosing to look like a little kid, a skinny basic person, and a tall fat guy isn't really that cool. Turns me off to buying any cosmetics to support the game because all the characters look goofy.
You really missed the mark with this video. Casual players are the base of this game. Focusing on ranked mode and nerfs are not what casual players want. They want to fast paced games with loads of content. They want to feel powerful when they play. Nerfing the few good weapons while never buffing the crappy ones ruins the experience you want to feel when playing. Season 2 only bringing 3 new weapons is a major let down especially when they all turned out to suck. The gadgets suck as well because no one ever uses them.
Embark did make a few mistakes Season 2 with balancing. The new weapons all sucked at release. This a major mistake I do not think they'll repeat. The new gadgets and specialization were great though with the exception of the Data Reshaper. Gateway and Anti-Gravity cube literally shifted how the game is played for the better. Last point I will make, although casuals make up the majority of a playerbase, you need ranked to be great to grow the game. If ranked mode isnt good, streamers and content creators do not have a reason to grind. As of now this is costing The Finals the most of it's players. The game is struggling A LOT on Twitch and TH-cam. Ranked and lack of competitive is the #1 reason for this. If you want the devs to support the game and for casuals to also have a great experience, competitive must be priority #1. Apex, Fortnite, Overwatch, Valorant and others clearly understood this and it's why they stand the test of time. Thanks for the input
Death Cam view after being killed would be perfect to avoid false accusations in cheating, which could've dropped the reports number and allow the support team to work with "real" reports on cheaters
Im sure this will come and was intentionally left out for this reason. They dont want to give the impression the game is filled with cheaters, even if it may be. Granted Im not totally sure how demanding a killcam could potentially be. Very well may still be finalizing it to avoid performance issues. Things like FPS and PING trackers were also probably left out for the same reason. If players could see their FPS they might be more frustrated than they would be just focusing on the fun gameplay.
@@GravityDrop you can use your own meter anyway. Not for the ping of course. It shouldn't be so demanding to add the kill cam. Epic made the whole match record available on the same engine)) I am not a game developer, so I don't know how hard it is to implement it though
@@grizberrypi All will be implemented in time. Excited to see this game fully fledged out. Custom matches are going to be SO fun with spectator, game rules and more!
I think there is huge technical difficulties to bring that in, has something to do with the server side destruction and all that, might be wrong, but maybe we will see it at some point. Also this is Unreal 5 instead of 4, which isn't helping.
Or the entire team can relise your running melee and team focus you every time you pop up so that cant happen you must be in bronze lobbies that all ima say i rearely die to melee users at all because i have a brain and can play range when need be... Cmon
Badges and more achievements would be really cool too. I think apex does this perfectly. Trying to get the 20 kill badge and 4000 damage badge kept me engaged for hundreds of hours.
They 100% need more challenges and rewards to grind for. I personally didnt like the career circuit challenges. We need bigger ones that arent date locked. Thoughts on this?
@@GravityDrop Agreed, I never bothered with the seasonal ones, but bro I’m telling you I NEEDED that 4k damage badge. So much fun to grind for something like that.
I've watched like 15 "What's Wrong With The Finals!?!?" videos and this is the only one that was worth it. Super thoughtful, actual information, level headed opinions. Great content!
THANK YOU! Really appreciate the words!! My goal in this was to make a "true" state of The Finals with actual suggestions. Sick of people milking views and just rambling about non sense. Have a fantastic day man! Drink an OSPUZE!
honestly, the finals is my favorite fps game in a long time, but when the concurrent viewer rate on twitch is 241, it’s hard to argue the game isn’t dead. still has a core player base, and hopefully its blows up again, but as it stands it’s hard not to be disappointed.
Extremely disappointing. It's a rare case where the game is super popular but there are no content creators. It's for a reason tho. Embark has left us in the dark since season 2 began. We have gotten so little to grind for and make content for. Hopefully Season 3's ranked changes introduces more incentives to grind. Im also hoping tournaments have a big impact on the community! Im optimistic, the Finals has a bright future! They just missed on Season 2. Thanks for the input!
You know, the thing that pushed me away like most new games, is the networking and servers. People with worse internet are getting forgotten and skipped by devs, and they focus on people who have more than stable and fast internet. For some there are no choices in terms of internet, like myself. My ISP still haven't upgraded our internet that is 20 y/o and is extremely slow and unstable cuz of cable thiefs. I would come back if i wasn't seeing constant teleports
I will say this is definitely something that is hard to measure, but often overlooked by developers. When I was in high school I had bad wifi for years and even in college. So I totally understand feeling left in the dark if you have DECENT internet but still get constant stutters, rubberbands or DCs. Like I said this is really hard to measure and I dont know too much about Embark or THE FINALS' servers. Right now a lot of the West is transitioning to faster/fiber internet. Even in the small towns across the board. A lot of developers kinda assume the majority of players already have access to fast + reliable internet. It's an awkward point but in the next 5 years virtually everyone will have access to fast and reliable internet. I personally have been waiting years for fiber to hit my area. I have a great download speed and decent ping/jitter but awful upload speed which can suck when livestreaming. Thanks for sharing this input please keep us informed if anything changes or if this improves for you! I recommend trying at least once a month or once every patch to see if it improves!
@@GravityDrop wow, didn't expect an answer but thx for it, much appreciated. And while yes we are transitioning, the ISP's like to cut costs to say "they done the job on paper" while doing an awful lot. For clarity, i study ICT and i have been digging a big on my ISP. I am from central EU, we mostly have a french ISP "Orange" that is the most popular, yet underwhelming ISP to exist in terms of internet. My cables are copper cables that are 20 years old, recently mold was found near a central. Another thing i think is sometimes contributing are DDoSers. They appear sometimes and do stuff, but imo that is cuz lot of russians play on servers. Also, the servers in EU imo are also flooded with cracked out gamers and small streamers, while little casuals are rare for me. Anyway I got sidetracked, when i meant Orange messed up, I REALLY mean it. Imagine pulling a fiber cable almost to our street, only to stop at the bridge and say "yeah good enough". Idk how to sue them, but they have tricks up their sleeve. I often harrass them about the time we will get it because they said that we are constantly moved down the list because we are not "profitable"
Honestly the biggest issue for me is that solo queue is insufferable, cause everyone doesn't cooperate as a team. Otherwise everything I've done on the game has been fun as hell
Pro Casual here [can win casual games but will lose anything ranked] I wish they really went in on their style. Its supposed to be like a Game show in a virutal world, but it didnt really feel like that until they added the new maps like Horizon, they try to do events, but to keep them balanced you never really notice it. I'll read "ALIEN INVASION" and be like oh okay and notice nothing happen at all, like you said, but it should also be more than that, they should give winners mario party wheels with like exp or the weapon coins or SOMETHING, its A GAME SHOW. Competitively, it feels like theyre bold when somethings too strong, but not when somethings too weak. The reason im not a comp is because im a Heavy Sledge User and ill regularly hit 8k damage with 2500 or more support, with obj based on if im the one supporting or being supporting, and theres always things that im like "they can do this without breaking the game EASY." Like, Im a shield/demoltionist, and the bubble shield are ALREADY FANTASTIC, but if Light Users can literally teleport and grapple away, I, a heavy, should be able to instant snap a bubble shield to skip the throw animation, but still have to wait for the shield animation, if anything at the cost of Health. Heavy grenade launcher should have less explosive time or more damage. I get why theyre slow, because theyre getting their footing, but if theyre going to be bold with removing items, they should be bold and expirement with items, maybe make some items or changes unranked exclusive, give people new toy syndrome.
[4:02] Only a third of the way through the video and I can agree with almost everything being said, but this will absolutely be abused and exploited. Queueing based on the highest rank is really the safest way to go about things.
If it's going to stay as is, then queuing with bronzes as a plat, I should not be queuing into Top 500 players. If I play people my rank or slightly above thats fine. But if the best player on your team is WAY worse than the worst player on an enemy team, then the matchmaker has simply failed. By all means put people in challenging brackets and asses them respectively. But when the enemies are multiple ranks ahead it's just too big of a gap, especially when it comes to grand finals 3v3 situations. Like If my team is P3, S3, B1. Im totally fine playing against a team of P1, P1, P2 or whatever. But queuing with silvers then going against Top500, D2, D3 is lowkey wild. I do think this system was intended to be temporary and safe until they perfect it. Thanks!!
Yoooo Gravity! Love the channel, great suggestions and I hope the devs are watching. Shoutout to you dumpstering me and my buddy at 6:18. 💩 I'm going to send this to him and tell him we're famous now.
Ranked mode may not help coz not everyone enjoys playing ranked. I know a lot of ppl who dont grind ranked coz it sucks all the fun out of the game. I used to play ranks before in many games but now it seems like a waste of time that brings just frustration
This is why the subject is so controversial. But in terms of the official game, no punishments. I did not play in any of the playtests so perhaps thats why I didnt understand all the noise at first. Just another reason Embark NEEDS to reclarify their position. Not sure if the TOS has changed but they simply arent punishing anymore. They obviously are aware of this and think it's better to not address it all. Maybe they think addressing it will encourage people to push limits and use actually game altering software? No clue. Wish they'd just be honest about it.
I think this game needs new events in the middle of the game, they should change how toxic gas and fire interact, and it would be cool if there was attachments that we could grind to put in our weapons, I think most people dont like to play in iron sights all the time and it would be great to have something to grind for.
100% agreed, think they should add more unlockable milestones in general. this game is a gem and they just need to incentivise the grind a bit more. more camos, customization etc...
Except the point of weapons pick you was talking of was s1 meta but definitively not s2 meta (especially on the heavy weapons you talked about) . You are pretty right on most of the points, but nobody's gonna come back on the game until they rethink the game a more competitive way. Most of top500 players like me just decided to leave it these last weeks, in my case i decided to leave it because of the eac removal, favorising cheaters in hight rank games and the world league being cancelled because of a DDOS , i mean, it definitivelly became a cheaters paradise.
Usually TTK can seem unhealthy if your opponent has a heal beam pocketing them. I recommend bringing a glitch grenade on your team and giving it another try! Most weapons kill relatively fast! Thanks for the input!
my main problem with the finals is the gunplay, none of the guns feel smooth to use, and also effective, the ak47 has so much recoil and the camera shakes so much i cant even aim with it, and then the weapons that are easy to use have terrible range. Another problem is that the big chungus class has so much hp and they are literal tanks.
With a good balance of weapons, I think it would be interesting to fix the classes per team (1 heavy, 1 light, and 1 medium). This would make the teams more balanced, and each character would have a different and complementary role. This would eliminate those moments when you try to kill someone and have two Mediums healing them. Some games already do this by limiting the class, like LOL or even Overwatch 2.
100% disagree with ranked. If you party with a diamond then you all should be in diamond. I also disagree with weapon meta shifts as much as you want. Maybe once a year or with new weapon releases. It'd be better if all the other guns were brought up making a bigger meta.
this game moves like titanfall and plays like bfbc2. the game balance can be either nerf the guns OR increase their weaknesses rather than decrease their damage, dice didn't balance that way tho
i agree with everything except the average mmr in ranked. this was a huge problem in siege because diamonds queued with silvers and just 1v5 the whole lobby
I personally stopped playing The Finals because they took away the free Halloween outfits I got in the beta. I knew they were taking away the cosmetics that cost money purchased for free in the beta but expected to be able to keep the free stuff, especially when it was limited
They really fucked up on not putting effort on eSports/private tournaments. I think it's a must on any competitive FPS games. Now it is too late since orgs will have no interest in investing on a game that significantly lost its hype.
You have a great point that I was trying to convey in the video. Embark does not have time on their side. But they didnt mess it up yet. They have a window to get private matches/tournaments going. The game is still relevant and clearly is generating excitement and revenue(as I showed towards the end of the video). So many orgs will be lining up ready to support tournaments once the game is ready for them, as long as it doesnt take too long. I trust Embark. They're cooking
I love the finals. but until they balance it I really don't want to keep playing right now. Fcar tazer lights RPG Lewisgun I'm just taking a break for now.
lol the rpg is not overpowered, the fcar was nerfed and now you actually have to be good to control the recoil, the tazer is getting a nerf/rework next update, lights got the invis nerf and are getting the visability of it nerfed again next update, and the lewis is fairly balanced with the new recoil nerf, if you dont know how to use it then you will not hit shots. I love how people complain about the balancing after the devs alwas listen to the community on what needs to be balanced.
@@Joepoeee All of those things (except light as a whole) are still the dominant meta even though they've all been nerfed. Every single time they've nerfed something for the first time, it's been too small of a nerf.
@@TheBestcommentor it’s a meta but I hope you realize a meta doesn’t necessarily have to be a strong meta. Fcar is good but ak, 1887, and famas all have a good place in the game.
myth: if you put something on an object like a mine or c4 and hold the object up to a gateway the c4 will teleport to the other gateway but be phantom-linked to the object
For me, I hate it when they removed mouse and keyboard support from console. I know a lot ppl would say get a pc. Man I'm a broke ass gamer. But seriously I left this game because of this and THE FINALS is truly a GREAT GAME.
when finals released all of my friends switched to it from apex because apex was kinda in a low spot then. finals was more of a much needed break from apex. i enjoyed the game ngl but it was nothing more than a break for us.
I find it a bit funny that high ranked players have this myopic (and borderline selfish) view that adding more prestige to ranked is somehow going to increase the game's reach, when the majority of players are in low ranks and very likely most people play quick play anyway because of the variety offered in both game modes and meta. Ranked tournaments are much bigger commitment than single round quick cash, blank it, or even power shift. Either quick play needs balances like skill-based matchmaking, switching sides, and auto balancing, or more game modes need to be included in ranked.
Which begs the question, why is THE FINALS dying faster than those other FPS games? Cheating sucks, but as stated in the video, saying cheating is bad does not help anyone. There are many successful games that have "cheater problems", so how are they separating themselves from Embark & THE FINALS? Im not here to fix the fps genre. Just wanna see my favorite game thrive! Thanks for stoppin by!
Im totally fine with that under two conditions. They go up less per win, and they go down way more per loss. As long as it adjusts for rank differential, im totally cool. Plus if you're a bronze smurf, within a couple tournament wins you're already almost gold. Smurfs climb fast in this game you can hit plat in one day easily. Hurting an entire system bc of smurfs is a mistake many teams have made. As it turns out, if your system is fun and allows playing with friends, people arent as incentivized to smurf in the first place. "Smurfs" will abuse any system. Trying to form a system around them is insane and never works.
The only way you can say that embark is doing a good job with cheating is to compare them to someone doing worse at it right now. The cheating is absolutely a reason to stop playing and it's out of control in this game. I'm not sure how you haven't heard of people running into blatant cheaters every tournament for an entire night, because that has certainly happened. Especially since it's so common to get repeat opponents. Cheating is the single biggest issue in this game and it's kinda insane that you would downplay it.
There's 2 issues with this claim. In the current game, there are no killcams and no replays. You have no way to validate how many cheaters you're actually running into. Also, aim assist can give off the impression of cheating and they often get conflated. I've done it myself Im not innocent. Im sorry to hear you've had a worse experience with cheating than me, but as stated in the video, crying about it doesnt help. Cheating is an AWFUL issue in every game it exists. One cheater is too many. But Embark knows this and has full time employees working tirelessly to improve anti-cheat. There's not really anything I can contribute. Thanks for the input!
@@GravityDrop the hackers can be really easy to spot in this game. They'll shoot you the moment you get line of sight to them even if you're far away and they have no way to know you're there. And then there are the ones who can shoot through shields. There's often no subtlety to it whatsoever.
I find the game to be super fun I think my main issue as I have a lower end pc is that there is virtually no optimizations that work to bring the game to a stable and high fps, whereas other games in the competitive shooting genre run fine as I optimize them to run at around my monitors refresh rate. I have watched so many "FPS Guide" videos and none of them worked which kinda led to me losing interest. I had a blast during the open beta when the game ran super smoothly for me for some reason.
I’m speaking for myself as someone who tried the game and then uninstalled. (This might help understand why some people just aren’t playing the Finals in general) The Finals didn’t interest me because it’s just not interesting. It sort of plays like every game on the market and as cool as the destructibility is, it’s not enough to make it feel like a unique game. It’s just sort of “another FPS with a slide mechanic, Tacticool animations, an extremely colorful aesthetic and an emphasis on expensive microtransactions and pointless stickers, emotes and skins” Nothing about it is exciting, nothing about it is invigorating. It’s just “another one” to add to the pile of live service FPS shooters. Honestly, I wish the battlefield veterans went with a more unique direction for their first game because this just felt like the same trend chasing that made them leave DICE :/
Dude, this is the most fun I have had with a fps since Bad Company 2, you can tell ex-Dice devs did this. Give it a try at some point again, I bet the first matches are going to be not great, but once it clicks, it clicks, and boy is it fun.
@@brajuhaniit just never clicked though. I’m sorry, man it’s just not that special :\ it’s a pretty by-the-books free to play shooter that plays like all the others. Same art style, same movement mechanics, same tacticool animations, etc. I hope we get something more unique and original in the FPS genre soon. Hell, I’d even welcome back a heavy-feeling grey/brown military shooter if that’s what it takes to get away from this Apex Legends-style stuff
Biggest reasons for me that this gsme is not going forward are: league progress is literally unknown, you cant message anyone in game to ask him does he want to play etc, you cant spectate games of friends, servers are horrendous getting disconnected became a normal thing, small number of maps, bundles are way too expensive and you cant buy single skin or item
Everything you listed has been added to the game in Season 2 except for spectator and text chat which have been confirmed to arrive w Season 3. You can buy single items in bundles and servers have improved dramatically! I recommend giving the game a another chance in Season 3. It's going to be vastly better than what we had Season 1! Thanks for the input!
No, I dont want the meta to shift too drastically. I use a super non-meta weapon, and like playing against the regular old hitscan rifles. And yes I agree with you, recon was absolute non-descript ailment, and the n*kes being removed was honestly the overall best gameplay change they did.
They changed both ranked and the fcar last week which is pretty good, in my region not many people play ranked and you rarely can find matches. I like the idea of the orbital lasers activating faster, would be pretty powerful in powershift againt the other team that is on the platform.
I would like to see a 5 v 5 CSGO/CS2 type game mode where one team guards and the other attacks to put the cash in the cashout. But instead of "defusing" the cashout you just steal it. Also this would be on a smaller map. As for competitive I think they need rewards for winning a tournament or gain a special currency the farther you get in the tournament, to purchase exclusive skins/gear. Hope this game stays around and thrives.
They started nerfing things that shouldn’t taking too long to nerf stuff they should , a lot of guns in each update start to feel different . Imo and Ime I have to say they started too early with cleaning this cleaning that , and my Shotty got nerfed (when it actually had a learning curve) while scar and AK for example took time and time to be nerfed. Fun game , def the best fun I had in an arcade shooter since the gold days of COD , this is like a baby of cod and bf mashed up , wich is nice imo , but dunno the SBMM can be felt , the weapons they fucked them up imo, and now that they started this politic of nerfing this and that , imo it created a different experience. It became boring for me and my ppl , even when doing well. Soo yeah Ima need a lot to come back to THE FINALS . But a lot lot lot lot of potential this game has
I really disagree with gamers needing 'new metas' because personally i feel guns should be tools you need to pick depending on the situation, and not just bring whatever. But, i can get behind buffing other weapons to make them more viable in more situations.
I think the Finals is suffering from marketing and oversaturation of shooters. I didn't hear about it until now and it's the type of game you have to play to understand why it's so insanely fun!
Honestly I completely agree with all of your points, and I might add I love the way that you go about presenting your points. Just like the game, it’s refreshing seeing someone with such a neutral and honest view on topics that other creators seemingly don’t have, I.E saying the game is dead just based on steam charts etc.
Great video. I just really want to tell you that your attitude toward the game and game developer really xhange my thoughts on the game, especially the cheater part, sometimes i feel like we just kept hating on stuff that we dislike and forgot the whole page, thx for your enlightenment
The problem with this game is that it doesn't do anything to entice new players to keep playing. You start off with the worst weapons and have to unlock better weapons as you play against people with the best weapons. There's not SBMM. You should be able to use any weapons from start. Why wouldn't you? I could understand unlocking skins but weapons? Then for some reason I've unlocked weapons and then can't use them in modes. It resets my loadout at the start of the new mode every time and I can't select the weapon I unlocked. It's a shame because this game, despite having slightly clunking movement, is really fun.
What threw me off the most, was in all the betas and season 1 the ranked climb constisted of only time put into the game. Season 2 changed it to beeing more punishing, which i liked at first and it's what i wished for since the beginning. I have a ton of hours in the game and finding players, who suit yourplaystyle, fit your irl character AND play at a level, that matches yours has always been a hit or miss. Now here is the big issue that comes from these two things: Hitting Diamond is no problem for the avg competitive player. Climbing to D3 seems like a minor challenge if you have the right players + time and effort. This is where it becomes (for me in these words) inhumane and absolute toxic for mental health and relationships. As soon as you reached the already time consuming goal of D3, climbing higher REQUIRES you to go on big winning streaks. You HAVE to win at least 7,8,9 matches IN A ROW to climb. I've seen countless instances, where i drop 150 leaderboard ranks from losing a single FINAL ROUND, while only getting 20-40 per win. The fact you have to have a perfect Team setup+get lucky you don't run into cheaters to achieve these winning streaks, makes it so freaking frustrating when u lose a single game. 1 loss requires another winstreak, when you break that winstreak you require another one. It's an endless cycle and the amount of perfection it requires in terms of gameplay is literally non human. At this point i've lost countless friends i made in the finals community, due to them not beeing able to keep up in skill (i know it can sound arrogant, but it's jut how it is) that is -perfection- in D2+ or by single mistakes, that cost the game due to us beeing human and not robots, resulting in arguments, ending up not playing together again. I like them as people, i enjoy playing casuals with them. But the ranked system in this game does not allow for the smallest mistakes. One death at the wrong time and you lose the entire game and EVERYTHING except WINNING the final round, loses you such an immense amount of points, that it's not fair to anyone. You become so limited to the people you queue with and matching time where you can meet up is another topic. I started to only play with 2 fixed people, because with everyone else from any LFG server, i could only find 1 other person who i can consistently win every game with. If the game would be more about "what round can you reach?" instead of "can you win the finals?" it would be way more humane and healthy. It's literally like saying only the 1st place in a soccer tournament gets 1000 dollars. But everyone else who took part and didn't reach first place will have to pay 5000 dollars. (before any comments about skill appear, i'm not the best player on earth but i loved this game from the first minute and i put 1500hrs into the game, adding all betas. I reached top 100 multiple times, stopped playing the game at D2 this season due to the things i mentioned. My friends who are D2 and D1 stopped playing for these reasons too.)
You seem like a smart lad GD so i got a question - why dont they have semi-random cashout spawns? There are so many rooms/buildings in these beautiful maps why do we always fight in the same areas?
In the past, it's never really fruitful to focus on tournaments, especially when factoring in costs of the event itself. Casuals make up probably 80% of every community and likely spend more as well, so I would say focusing primarily on that and flushing out their world to make it more intriguing would make way more sense.
casuals definitely make up the majority of the playerbase. But there's a reason this game has 0 streamers and 0 big content creators. It's because there's nothing to grind for. And tournaments are extremely efficient when the community gets involved. Im telling you this game is super fun to play and watch. It doesnt need some massive budget to prop it up. The community and organizations will host their own tournaments once they're available and it WILL generate MASSIVE hype for the game. Thanks for the input!
Hot take but you are giving Embark way too much credit. The removal of recon wasn’t righteous it was just the easiest and quickest way to shut up the community. A revised recon like Bloodhounds would have retained more of the player base and also quieted the cry babies. Also while seeming bold the aim assist nerf could have better been fixed by allow players to choose input matchmaking instead, as the nerf to aa on console felt like too much for those playing in console only lobbies so once again another chunk of the player based left. Neither of the above had an affect on me continuing to play the game but I believe these were mistakes on Embarks part for sure. Additionally, they keep moving further away from making all classes viable in ranked and seem dead set on making sure light has little to no value in ranked with next week’s double nerfs. None of the above changes actually helped to retain or significantly increase the player base only resulting in more players giving up the game. They keep cooking themselves imo
Definitely agree. It wasn't bold of them to undernerf nukes 8 times because they were so insistent on keeping them in the game. Even now, they're still in the game technically when the obvious solution was just to remove them and not nerf everything that could possibly be associated with it.
Dropped the game after hundreds of hours, easily the worst solo queue experience and most gamebreaking bugs i have ever seen in an online game. Your efforts as a player is simply not rewarded, and if you have a leaver on your team you are punished for trying. I started realizing this game just wastes my time despite me doing well, wishing for a quick death for this one if this is how it will go.
People put way too much emphasis on ranked. If you look at the achievemnets alone, only 22% of people have the finish a tournament achievement... I don't, and I have been playing since the last open beta.
Some great points that I don't recall hearing other people talk about much or at all. Really well thought out. Fingers crossed that Embark also see the wisdom in some of your suggestions or wishes.
I actually wasn’t aware that ranked games went off the highest member of the party. I’m currently a plat 2 and play with my girlfriend who is a lowly silver and a good friend of mine who has been stuck within gold. That being said, when I play with them, we get absolute 💩’d on. However if I queue up solo, even without coms, we can make it to the finals almost every game. That definitely needs changing in my opinion as I’d love to be able to play ranked w my squad and actually have a fair + enjoyable experience. But despite this, I still love the hell outa the game!
something people tend to forget about is the finals is much better on console and is more massive than pc similar to siege neither look too impressive on steam numbers but on console numbers there huge
I really want a competitive mode that isn’t a tournament. I want to play a competitive mode but I don’t want to play an entire tournament that I don’t know how long it is going to take because if you lose right away it’s not very long but if you make it to the end it’s a pretty long game mode.
The new 24 player tournaments are shorter. Only 30 minutes if you play the entire thing. Would you be interested in competitive Terminal Attack? Interested in hearing the community's thoughts on that one!
Your player count argument makes sense. There will always be more players on the release days because everyone wants to be there st that time. But those players still do play but at different times
I love your comment in the end about the semi active players. I've spoken to a lot of people that say the game doesn't really have a reason to grind it, that it doesn't give them motivation to do so. They mostly say that the game is fun, and they play it casually, but making it more competitive will encourage players to get better and have more fun in doing so. Just imagine the high elo lobbies and the (future) esport scene where players will analyse strategies, adjust to problems, come up with new solutions, we would see so much more creativity in defending/attacking places just because people are going to try to top each other. Honestly can't wait for the pro analysis of different maps, locations, cashouts, etc.
Great vid btw, the only one out of the "the finals is dead" that isn't actually made to milk views, shows genuine solutions to problems and doesn't yap for 10 minutes to get ad revenue.
Much love, 20 minutes well spent
Thanks man! My longest video on The Finals and I cut out as much as I could! I really tried to cover a lot of topics others arent while being productive and cutting any bs or filler. Just wanna see this game thrive. Means a lot!!
im not sure i entirely agree...i've finished the battlepass, caught up on the career, did the personal progression, etc. i have nothing left to grind atm.
but i still play th game cuz i need the practice and cuz its fun, i dont like playing ranked cuz im not really 'sweaty' like that and i dont like doing 'the meta' (i've gotten into sledge/charge lately)
while not everyone will just keep playing the game cuz its fun, and having something to gain from playing besides JUST entertainment is nice, i dont think it's fair to say "we need this game to be SUPER focused on ELO grinding and competitive to keep players" as if it's the only real motivation....there's plenty of motivation outside of that comp group.
Huge agree. One of the only "state of the game" that didn't feel incredibly reactionary
Speaking as a casual player, it’s not that the game doesn’t have the ability to be grinded, it’s just that I have a life and don’t have a lot of time to play video games so I just try to enjoy it instead of stressing about meaningless in game things
( sorry for bad english) I played in the games beta and they were so nice to give me 10000 in game currency. but the tricked me and removed all my money and cosmetictiks when the game released. this made me very mad and ruined a big part of the game for me. also in the beta the lights doubel barrel-shotgun was acctuly good and could to hit heavys but then they nerfed it and it made the light unusable and runied the light for me.
The gameplay is also so sloppy and its such a snoose fest, the enemis game tank soooo many shots before they die. like how can you have fun playing this game and mediuems loves theire glaze gun and the trigangelet in a corner and heals eathceother. also the light sniper sucks, when you headshot the heavy the do not die but have a quater of their health left and thats sooo annoying and trash, like if you get a big jucie bullet through your head then your gonna die not survieve with a quater of your health left.
all the other weapons the heavy has is abslout gargabe. this makes the heavy not very versitle with its only good weapon being the sledge hammer. the heavy cant do shit when the enemy is 3 meters anaway from you. the rocket laucher is ass and has a long cold down which makes it useless. and the infamous goo gang gun is a useless peice of trash, you can not kill with it and it barely protect yourself with it.
mediums are by far the most op class and the most boring one. everytime i see a medium on the battlefield i hurts my eyes and soul because i know they a gonna glaze and glaze and glaze their teammate to eternity and onwards. all medium are goonner who realese their life load on thiere team which makes it impossible to kill them. the mediums also have the most op and verstile loadout.
the finals have also very many pc and consle performance issuses. very often my game wont run and it lags out and crashes, it also happend with one of my friends. this game is a poor exuess of a game and should not be played by anyone ever. the second someone mentions the finals my whole body quakes in pain. please never metion the finals near me. the finals is a disgrace to the human race and should have never been made. but the beta was alright, mabye if they bring the beta back i will take back my alligationsions towards this game.
pls give me back my 10000 beta ingame curency.
The Gravitydrop vs Ottr drama over cross hairs has got to be one of the strangest slap fights I've ever seen in the finals content space lol
Ottrs a lil bish, used to like him but all his takes only revolve around him being better not everyone benefiting
IVE HELD BACK I AM THE SUPERIOR SLAPPER
You could say they are getting their hairs crossed.. 😂
real
It's like those competitive slapping tournaments
I love the open minded and nuanced approach you took for this "state of the game" kinda vid.
I started my script before all these recent vids came out, but Im glad I covered issues none of the other guys are covering! Thank you!!
i want to say (as of my own experience) the finals is a game where you TRUELY need to be engaged and really trying to get your skill up so you have a good time, besides tf2, i now think its really boring and not a lot of action. and the finals is the opposite and it pretty easy to engage in
Agreed, I prepare myself for ranked each time like I'm playing a 1000000$ tournament 😂
yep, it takes all your focus because of how info dense it is.
game ps5 bye :(
game sony bye :(
game pc bye :(
Activision Blizzard fucking sucks. Support this game rather than shitwatch
As someone that loves this game, I have to say that overwatch just has many more options for playstyle, and the fact that the meta in the Finals changes every 2 weeks makes it more incosistent
@@THE-STREET-HERO what are you on? The finals have a lot of different playstyles. Sure OW technically has more, but 70% of them are out of the meta and unusable. OW meta has always been super unbalanced. The finals' meta is quite consistent with only a few meta guns being adjusted for balance.
@@THE-STREET-HERO that's fair if that's what you believe. But in my opinion, overwatch is just counterpicking simulator (not fun). Wanna play as your favorite hero? TOO BAD, they're shit in the current meta.
@@THE-STREET-HERO not an overwatch fan, last thing I heard about it was the increase hitbox thing or something like that. Did they revert that or does every one just have a massive hitbox now?
@@YoureMadBozo71 the projectile hitboxes were increased but not the character ones. they've adjusted some of that since iirc
Game is great, there are just so many obvious changes that are necessary like you mentioned. The fact that there is no text chat is mind boggling.
cause who tf plays a ranked game with no mic
@@jaidyn.m lol remove a core part of gaming because you expect every single person to have a mic or care enough to use it.
@@chaseclingman i mean if you’re playing ranked…you’re talking to your teammates to collectively make decisions and more so yea i’d say using a mic in ranked is common sense
@@jaidyn.mOverwatch has a text chat….Left 4 Dead has a text chat. I can list hundreds of game with this feature. And the funny part? They also have voice chat.
I don’t see how your argument really fares when millions of games that are competitive have text and voice chat
Confirmed for S3
Honestly The Finals is just a baby of a live service. I'm more interested about this conversation at it's first year anniversary. It may not feel like this game is new, but it's been out for less than six months, and live service is a marathon. It's all about what embark brings season to season, and how the community evolves.
On the other side, I see a lot of people that I match with spending money on battlepass minimum. I think it's a good thing. Embark has a solid product, and they're a small studio further divided into two teams (they have arc raiders in their pipeline as well). With the funds, and knowing they'll use them wisely, I'm sure they can continue to cook and deliver at the pace they started with. (major content drops every 3 months, events monthly, balances biweekly-ish, etc)
Great point!!! Thank you!
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I think some people are afraid to be bad at a game at first I have to show this game to multiple of my friends who all said it was really unique and fun but then after getting rolled a couple games, they hop off and go back to the game and playing for four years
Improving the meta/balance and matchmaker would make this experience a lot better for new players! This is why they're both so critical. No one likes queuing up as a new player and go against people who have played for months! Hopefully your friends give the game another chance! Once you learn the basics this game is SO fun even for beginners! Thanks for stopping by!
Even I just recently started playing it and after a few matches and finding the right strategies for the game, it’s actually fun and even the causal matches starts to feel competitive but not sweaty or raging, I had a few close games just because of either bad plays or close call matches. It’s fun and deserves a lot of respect. At least better then the current cod or other games that’s out there
Yeah this isn't an 'afraid to be bad' issue. I have played like, somewhere between 10 and 20 games of The Finals. I literally have a 0% winrate. Every single game is a complete stomp, and it's not just me, my entire team are made up of people who have no clue what we're doing. Meanwhile the other teams are team gigachad vs team tryhard.
@@bellidrael7457yeah gaming as a whole is just a battlefield (not the game) at this point. You can’t compete with all these people on benefits playing the game 24/7 when you yourself have a job/have studies to do.
Most small TH-camrs jump onto hype trains to grow- you broke the cycle, calling out "THE FINALS is dead!" trope many yappology experts constantly feed the gaming community. You earned my subscription.
I just wanna buy items seperate from bundles, so many times i see a single item that i would 100% buy for a decent price over having to buy the full bundle its tied to for $20
Yea I agree but that’s how they make their money
yeah would be nice but as TBo said below, the devs have to rely on this kind of tactic to generate revenue. At least the game is free and the bundles are cheaper than COD, Overwatch, Fortnite and others. It's not perfect but I understand they gotta make money. In my eyes they're worth every penny. Im also grateful they have multiple bundles per season that give out free coins. The bunny outfit bundle gives free coins, the starter pack gives free coins, and the battlepass gives out coins. Dont forget the devs also added EARNABLE coins in the career circuit! It's rare for a dev team to allow you to do this! Makes me really happy they have options for everyone including those who dont have as much money to spend.
@@GravityDrop The thing is IMO they would probably make a good bit more money by letting people buy items seperate from bundles at a slight markup, people are willing to spend 5 here, 10 there on bits that they like way more often than having to spend a lot at once on a bundle including items they may not want, im personally one of them where i would buy several items straight away if i could, but the fact id need to spend upwards of $40 ~ 50 to make the outfit i want is silly, where i could just buy the whole outfit i want for say, $10 ~ 20 (Pricing should depend on item/rarity etc) Im not saying all bundles should be gone, just give us the ability to also buy items seperate and then have the bundle be a discount for the multiple items.
True, but whats also super nice is whenever the store refreshes anything that got taken out is still available to buy thru the style tabs
It happend❤❤❤
It's 2024 and people still create videos talking about how a game lost a majority of the playerbase. No it didn't lose the playerbase, most games start off with a bang like that and then it stabilizes and then eventually either goes up if the devs do well or dies if they fuck up.
Why would you count people playing on day 1 as part of the playerbase? They were literally just checking out the game and then dropping it. Those first day players never ''left'' the game, they weren't even active players in the first place.
There are 15k people playing right now, that is not a dead game by a looong shot. People comparing to numbers like CSGO, Valorant, Fortnite etc. do not understand how astronomical those numbers are.
15k for a small dev team like this is a very good number and it is up to the devs to just keep at it. (and we're talking about PC numbers only).
Extremely valid points! Defs not talked about as much from other creators. Thank you!
16:21 lmao the ottr pfp really makes this a whole bunch funnier 😂
Absolutely. Came to the comments just to say this
People also forget that this January and February was huge for games in general. Helldivers, Palworld, Last Epoch, Apex updates, etc. an absurd amount of popular games came out very quickly right as the launch bump started to fall off.
That's not to say its the only reason, or even the biggest one, but it definitely helped suck away any space the game had. I'll be playing this game as long as Embark supports it though, I adore this game, and hope to cast some matches when they improve custom lobbies
I guess since I’m coming from the tactical shooter side of steam where average player base could be 2k-3k on a Saturday. So it feels like this game is full of players but of course a lot of people won’t have that perspective. I’m not competitive so idc about ranked levels and that grind. I just want fun and balanced time. Surely this game isn’t going anywhere b/c they’ve made money from the battle pass and store. They’ll get the state of the game exactly how the devs want it. I believe it
Idk numbers are def low for a free game, get worried if it gets to 5k
You're insanely naive
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what game were you playing before if I may
@@iDrKx insurgency and ready or not
Waiting for the circuit challenges to unlock is terrible. I was playing consistently until I hit 7/7 on tier 1 and got bored waiting for tier 2 to show up.
I believe they will expand from the input of this season.
Same tbh, made it actually feel like I had no reason to keep playing.
So here I am playing falloutNV until Wednesday xD
I'll never understand why anyone would quit playing an amazing fps simply because they've unlocked everything. I play video games to have fun and every time I turn on the finals it's a blast🎉
@@-KIMISAFOX because I solo q ranked. so when my team is composed of myself and 2 lights it’s nice to know there’s still something I’m playing towards even if my team mates are throwing
@@L84ANL never played NV but love Fallout 4 🔥
About the dominant weapons in the meta, sure it gets old to see the same weapons be used, but I want to be careful about conveying the message to Embark, cause I actually think the way those weapons "feel" are pretty good, and instead they should study how to make other weapons feel stronger to keep up
Good point!
I can see the game potentially getting a "revival" akin to what happened with R6 Siege in the future.
yeah me too, I was just thinking about it
you have to understand that there is a ton of competition in the fps genre, the fact that the finals is even considered a good side game by so many people is already a massive win
This is the best video of the finals I’ve ever seen. Never seen someone with the guts to admit that FPS cheating is currently a problem with little solutions, I think people need to talk about this more so people stop expecting embark to drop a leet anti cheat that noscopes wall hackers out of the air
5:00 that’s true,I don’t even know how the arrow system works,I just keep seeing the arrow up and down,it just makes no sense.
its interesting how there's people saying the exact opposite: the finals isn't really made to be a ranked game, and the constant balancing changes put off the 300k casual players, keeping around only the 10k or so that keep up with the meta
Here's the issue. You can't design a game from the ground up to be a competitive Esport game. That's just not how gaming works. So many companies have tried to 'make an Esport game', and it never works out. You have to build the game, build the community, and then the community decides to make it an Esport.
Ottr is crazy 💀
Theres an insane amount of hackers in plat+ lobbies its mad, i once encoutered 3 hackers in 5 different games while plat 1 pushing diamond 4
yes would love if the gameshow events just changed teh environment more. Both alien/retro invasion and meteor shower should vastly alter a section of the map. Doesn't have to wipe players out but makes the most of the destruction.
Loved the video, glad this got a lot more views and attention then most other finals videos out currently. This is a perfect angle on it and I’m excited for the future of the game
Really appreciate this! Im so happy this video ended up being the BIGGEST state of The Finals video put out there even topping Ottr's! I always outwork my competitors and put more time into each video than any other creator for The Finals! Always feels really good when I get love for it! Thank you!! Have a fantastic day and enjoy an ospuze!!
@@GravityDrop I can tell! You are one of the only TH-camr takes I can completely get behind. Obviously some just look at the negatives and some are blinded by a great game and think there isn’t anything wrong. You covered mostly everything spanning over both sides and proved how the game has a lasting future. The AMA that happened yesterday I believe backs so much of what you said and it really seems like they are going head first into making this game truly amazing. They even said how they are planning for years to come.
@@Joepoeee reading some of their AMA comments got me so EXCITED dude. I love how I literally called so much of it lol. These devs have me JACKED for Seasons 3 and beyond! Im telling you man this game gets spectator mode + ranked and it's going to the moon🚀
They need cooler player models; I don't like the three options we have in game now. Choosing to look like a little kid, a skinny basic person, and a tall fat guy isn't really that cool. Turns me off to buying any cosmetics to support the game because all the characters look goofy.
The heal beam is literally the reason i stopped playing when it was released.
my biggest issue is the fact that it feels like a arena shooter without the smooth movement it feels clunky.
You really missed the mark with this video. Casual players are the base of this game. Focusing on ranked mode and nerfs are not what casual players want. They want to fast paced games with loads of content. They want to feel powerful when they play. Nerfing the few good weapons while never buffing the crappy ones ruins the experience you want to feel when playing. Season 2 only bringing 3 new weapons is a major let down especially when they all turned out to suck. The gadgets suck as well because no one ever uses them.
Embark did make a few mistakes Season 2 with balancing. The new weapons all sucked at release. This a major mistake I do not think they'll repeat. The new gadgets and specialization were great though with the exception of the Data Reshaper. Gateway and Anti-Gravity cube literally shifted how the game is played for the better. Last point I will make, although casuals make up the majority of a playerbase, you need ranked to be great to grow the game. If ranked mode isnt good, streamers and content creators do not have a reason to grind. As of now this is costing The Finals the most of it's players. The game is struggling A LOT on Twitch and TH-cam. Ranked and lack of competitive is the #1 reason for this. If you want the devs to support the game and for casuals to also have a great experience, competitive must be priority #1. Apex, Fortnite, Overwatch, Valorant and others clearly understood this and it's why they stand the test of time. Thanks for the input
Death Cam view after being killed would be perfect to avoid false accusations in cheating, which could've dropped the reports number and allow the support team to work with "real" reports on cheaters
Im sure this will come and was intentionally left out for this reason. They dont want to give the impression the game is filled with cheaters, even if it may be. Granted Im not totally sure how demanding a killcam could potentially be. Very well may still be finalizing it to avoid performance issues. Things like FPS and PING trackers were also probably left out for the same reason. If players could see their FPS they might be more frustrated than they would be just focusing on the fun gameplay.
@@GravityDrop you can use your own meter anyway. Not for the ping of course. It shouldn't be so demanding to add the kill cam. Epic made the whole match record available on the same engine)) I am not a game developer, so I don't know how hard it is to implement it though
@@grizberrypi All will be implemented in time. Excited to see this game fully fledged out. Custom matches are going to be SO fun with spectator, game rules and more!
I think there is huge technical difficulties to bring that in, has something to do with the server side destruction and all that, might be wrong, but maybe we will see it at some point. Also this is Unreal 5 instead of 4, which isn't helping.
@@brajuhani Fortnite is on unreal 5 and they have records for the whole match with building and destruction)) so I don't think that it's impossible
there is a third option for light its sword if you are good with sword yOU CAN SHRED
Truee
Or the entire team can relise your running melee and team focus you every time you pop up so that cant happen you must be in bronze lobbies that all ima say i rearely die to melee users at all because i have a brain and can play range when need be... Cmon
@qurax1660 okay Mr badass
@@qurax1660 ahh but you do not know the secret tech for closing gaps
@@qurax1660im diamond 4 and light sword one of my favorite loadouts lmao but i agree with the video saying that its “soft throwing” 🤣
Badges and more achievements would be really cool too. I think apex does this perfectly. Trying to get the 20 kill badge and 4000 damage badge kept me engaged for hundreds of hours.
They 100% need more challenges and rewards to grind for. I personally didnt like the career circuit challenges. We need bigger ones that arent date locked. Thoughts on this?
@@GravityDrop Agreed, I never bothered with the seasonal ones, but bro I’m telling you I NEEDED that 4k damage badge. So much fun to grind for something like that.
I've watched like 15 "What's Wrong With The Finals!?!?" videos and this is the only one that was worth it. Super thoughtful, actual information, level headed opinions. Great content!
THANK YOU! Really appreciate the words!! My goal in this was to make a "true" state of The Finals with actual suggestions. Sick of people milking views and just rambling about non sense. Have a fantastic day man! Drink an OSPUZE!
You may want to consider what your own issues might be at the point you have watched 15 'What's wrong with this video game' videos.
honestly, the finals is my favorite fps game in a long time, but when the concurrent viewer rate on twitch is 241, it’s hard to argue the game isn’t dead. still has a core player base, and hopefully its blows up again, but as it stands it’s hard not to be disappointed.
Extremely disappointing. It's a rare case where the game is super popular but there are no content creators. It's for a reason tho. Embark has left us in the dark since season 2 began. We have gotten so little to grind for and make content for. Hopefully Season 3's ranked changes introduces more incentives to grind. Im also hoping tournaments have a big impact on the community! Im optimistic, the Finals has a bright future! They just missed on Season 2. Thanks for the input!
I like the finals but it does get repetitive and there is not enough game modes
Have a video coming out this week discussing some of my frustrations w this season! Thanks for stopping by!
You know, the thing that pushed me away like most new games, is the networking and servers. People with worse internet are getting forgotten and skipped by devs, and they focus on people who have more than stable and fast internet. For some there are no choices in terms of internet, like myself. My ISP still haven't upgraded our internet that is 20 y/o and is extremely slow and unstable cuz of cable thiefs. I would come back if i wasn't seeing constant teleports
I will say this is definitely something that is hard to measure, but often overlooked by developers. When I was in high school I had bad wifi for years and even in college. So I totally understand feeling left in the dark if you have DECENT internet but still get constant stutters, rubberbands or DCs. Like I said this is really hard to measure and I dont know too much about Embark or THE FINALS' servers. Right now a lot of the West is transitioning to faster/fiber internet. Even in the small towns across the board. A lot of developers kinda assume the majority of players already have access to fast + reliable internet. It's an awkward point but in the next 5 years virtually everyone will have access to fast and reliable internet. I personally have been waiting years for fiber to hit my area. I have a great download speed and decent ping/jitter but awful upload speed which can suck when livestreaming. Thanks for sharing this input please keep us informed if anything changes or if this improves for you! I recommend trying at least once a month or once every patch to see if it improves!
@@GravityDrop wow, didn't expect an answer but thx for it, much appreciated. And while yes we are transitioning, the ISP's like to cut costs to say "they done the job on paper" while doing an awful lot. For clarity, i study ICT and i have been digging a big on my ISP. I am from central EU, we mostly have a french ISP "Orange" that is the most popular, yet underwhelming ISP to exist in terms of internet. My cables are copper cables that are 20 years old, recently mold was found near a central. Another thing i think is sometimes contributing are DDoSers. They appear sometimes and do stuff, but imo that is cuz lot of russians play on servers. Also, the servers in EU imo are also flooded with cracked out gamers and small streamers, while little casuals are rare for me. Anyway I got sidetracked, when i meant Orange messed up, I REALLY mean it. Imagine pulling a fiber cable almost to our street, only to stop at the bridge and say "yeah good enough". Idk how to sue them, but they have tricks up their sleeve. I often harrass them about the time we will get it because they said that we are constantly moved down the list because we are not "profitable"
Honestly the biggest issue for me is that solo queue is insufferable, cause everyone doesn't cooperate as a team. Otherwise everything I've done on the game has been fun as hell
Pro Casual here [can win casual games but will lose anything ranked] I wish they really went in on their style. Its supposed to be like a Game show in a virutal world, but it didnt really feel like that until they added the new maps like Horizon, they try to do events, but to keep them balanced you never really notice it. I'll read "ALIEN INVASION" and be like oh okay and notice nothing happen at all, like you said, but it should also be more than that, they should give winners mario party wheels with like exp or the weapon coins or SOMETHING, its A GAME SHOW.
Competitively, it feels like theyre bold when somethings too strong, but not when somethings too weak. The reason im not a comp is because im a Heavy Sledge User and ill regularly hit 8k damage with 2500 or more support, with obj based on if im the one supporting or being supporting, and theres always things that im like "they can do this without breaking the game EASY." Like, Im a shield/demoltionist, and the bubble shield are ALREADY FANTASTIC, but if Light Users can literally teleport and grapple away, I, a heavy, should be able to instant snap a bubble shield to skip the throw animation, but still have to wait for the shield animation, if anything at the cost of Health. Heavy grenade launcher should have less explosive time or more damage. I get why theyre slow, because theyre getting their footing, but if theyre going to be bold with removing items, they should be bold and expirement with items, maybe make some items or changes unranked exclusive, give people new toy syndrome.
[4:02] Only a third of the way through the video and I can agree with almost everything being said, but this will absolutely be abused and exploited. Queueing based on the highest rank is really the safest way to go about things.
If it's going to stay as is, then queuing with bronzes as a plat, I should not be queuing into Top 500 players. If I play people my rank or slightly above thats fine. But if the best player on your team is WAY worse than the worst player on an enemy team, then the matchmaker has simply failed. By all means put people in challenging brackets and asses them respectively. But when the enemies are multiple ranks ahead it's just too big of a gap, especially when it comes to grand finals 3v3 situations. Like If my team is P3, S3, B1. Im totally fine playing against a team of P1, P1, P2 or whatever. But queuing with silvers then going against Top500, D2, D3 is lowkey wild. I do think this system was intended to be temporary and safe until they perfect it. Thanks!!
Yoooo Gravity! Love the channel, great suggestions and I hope the devs are watching. Shoutout to you dumpstering me and my buddy at 6:18. 💩 I'm going to send this to him and tell him we're famous now.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO thank you!!! Lowkey I went harder than I needed to😅
appreciate the kind words! Tell your friends I say hi and GGs!
Ranked mode may not help coz not everyone enjoys playing ranked. I know a lot of ppl who dont grind ranked coz it sucks all the fun out of the game. I used to play ranks before in many games but now it seems like a waste of time that brings just frustration
New idea: once a week or month embark randomly chooses an active player to suggest somthing that they acualy consider deeply
People were actively punished for using crosshairs in the beta. People had to wait weeks to be unbanned, or were banned for the entirety of the beta.
This is why the subject is so controversial. But in terms of the official game, no punishments. I did not play in any of the playtests so perhaps thats why I didnt understand all the noise at first. Just another reason Embark NEEDS to reclarify their position. Not sure if the TOS has changed but they simply arent punishing anymore. They obviously are aware of this and think it's better to not address it all. Maybe they think addressing it will encourage people to push limits and use actually game altering software? No clue. Wish they'd just be honest about it.
I think this game needs new events in the middle of the game, they should change how toxic gas and fire interact, and it would be cool if there was attachments that we could grind to put in our weapons, I think most people dont like to play in iron sights all the time and it would be great to have something to grind for.
100% agreed, think they should add more unlockable milestones in general. this game is a gem and they just need to incentivise the grind a bit more. more camos, customization etc...
and remember helldivers hit the scene that bish is a titan
And Palworld (even bigger titan)
bile titan?
@@applejuiceman palworld fell off
Except the point of weapons pick you was talking of was s1 meta but definitively not s2 meta (especially on the heavy weapons you talked about) . You are pretty right on most of the points, but nobody's gonna come back on the game until they rethink the game a more competitive way. Most of top500 players like me just decided to leave it these last weeks, in my case i decided to leave it because of the eac removal, favorising cheaters in hight rank games and the world league being cancelled because of a DDOS , i mean, it definitivelly became a cheaters paradise.
Played this hame the amount of bullets it takes to kill and enemy takes an hour or so and still the opponent doesn't die.
Uninstalled next day.
Usually TTK can seem unhealthy if your opponent has a heal beam pocketing them. I recommend bringing a glitch grenade on your team and giving it another try! Most weapons kill relatively fast! Thanks for the input!
@slayerace5637 Thats a good thing. We got enough low ttk shooters.
my main problem with the finals is the gunplay, none of the guns feel smooth to use, and also effective, the ak47 has so much recoil and the camera shakes so much i cant even aim with it, and then the weapons that are easy to use have terrible range. Another problem is that the big chungus class has so much hp and they are literal tanks.
Also having avg Mmr is a good idea but it will make queues a lot slower for people higher ranked. That’s how that works
With a good balance of weapons, I think it would be interesting to fix the classes per team (1 heavy, 1 light, and 1 medium). This would make the teams more balanced, and each character would have a different and complementary role. This would eliminate those moments when you try to kill someone and have two Mediums healing them. Some games already do this by limiting the class, like LOL or even Overwatch 2.
100% disagree with ranked. If you party with a diamond then you all should be in diamond. I also disagree with weapon meta shifts as much as you want. Maybe once a year or with new weapon releases. It'd be better if all the other guns were brought up making a bigger meta.
this game moves like titanfall and plays like bfbc2. the game balance can be either nerf the guns OR increase their weaknesses rather than decrease their damage, dice didn't balance that way tho
i agree with everything except the average mmr in ranked. this was a huge problem in siege because diamonds queued with silvers and just 1v5 the whole lobby
I personally stopped playing The Finals because they took away the free Halloween outfits I got in the beta. I knew they were taking away the cosmetics that cost money purchased for free in the beta but expected to be able to keep the free stuff, especially when it was limited
You people and your skins... Just play a dress up game.
They really fucked up on not putting effort on eSports/private tournaments. I think it's a must on any competitive FPS games. Now it is too late since orgs will have no interest in investing on a game that significantly lost its hype.
You have a great point that I was trying to convey in the video. Embark does not have time on their side. But they didnt mess it up yet. They have a window to get private matches/tournaments going. The game is still relevant and clearly is generating excitement and revenue(as I showed towards the end of the video). So many orgs will be lining up ready to support tournaments once the game is ready for them, as long as it doesnt take too long. I trust Embark. They're cooking
I love the finals. but until they balance it I really don't want to keep playing right now.
Fcar
tazer
lights
RPG
Lewisgun
I'm just taking a break for now.
lol the rpg is not overpowered, the fcar was nerfed and now you actually have to be good to control the recoil, the tazer is getting a nerf/rework next update, lights got the invis nerf and are getting the visability of it nerfed again next update, and the lewis is fairly balanced with the new recoil nerf, if you dont know how to use it then you will not hit shots. I love how people complain about the balancing after the devs alwas listen to the community on what needs to be balanced.
One of these things is not like the others.
@@Joepoeee All of those things (except light as a whole) are still the dominant meta even though they've all been nerfed. Every single time they've nerfed something for the first time, it's been too small of a nerf.
@@TheBestcommentor it’s a meta but I hope you realize a meta doesn’t necessarily have to be a strong meta. Fcar is good but ak, 1887, and famas all have a good place in the game.
@@Joepoeee it's a strong meta and FAMAS definitely ain't in it
myth: if you put something on an object like a mine or c4 and hold the object up to a gateway the c4 will teleport to the other gateway but be phantom-linked to the object
For me, I hate it when they removed mouse and keyboard support from console. I know a lot ppl would say get a pc. Man I'm a broke ass gamer. But seriously I left this game because of this and THE FINALS is truly a GREAT GAME.
when finals released all of my friends switched to it from apex because apex was kinda in a low spot then. finals was more of a much needed break from apex. i enjoyed the game ngl but it was nothing more than a break for us.
I find it a bit funny that high ranked players have this myopic (and borderline selfish) view that adding more prestige to ranked is somehow going to increase the game's reach, when the majority of players are in low ranks and very likely most people play quick play anyway because of the variety offered in both game modes and meta. Ranked tournaments are much bigger commitment than single round quick cash, blank it, or even power shift. Either quick play needs balances like skill-based matchmaking, switching sides, and auto balancing, or more game modes need to be included in ranked.
Do you want the truth? All the fps online games are dying because of cheaters, simple as that.
Which begs the question, why is THE FINALS dying faster than those other FPS games? Cheating sucks, but as stated in the video, saying cheating is bad does not help anyone. There are many successful games that have "cheater problems", so how are they separating themselves from Embark & THE FINALS? Im not here to fix the fps genre. Just wanna see my favorite game thrive! Thanks for stoppin by!
Btw without death match you get 100 for a kill and death match is 250 for a kill
It's 200 without. It's supposed to be 400 with but it's 200 still.
I only use akm personally. Probably because I wanna flex my diamond akm skin
Or cause your aim is bad Kappa
@@e2476 nah blud
I think the reason that they round up to the highest player in the party is because high players would grind by simply playing with a low-ranked smurf
Im totally fine with that under two conditions. They go up less per win, and they go down way more per loss. As long as it adjusts for rank differential, im totally cool. Plus if you're a bronze smurf, within a couple tournament wins you're already almost gold. Smurfs climb fast in this game you can hit plat in one day easily. Hurting an entire system bc of smurfs is a mistake many teams have made. As it turns out, if your system is fun and allows playing with friends, people arent as incentivized to smurf in the first place. "Smurfs" will abuse any system. Trying to form a system around them is insane and never works.
The only way you can say that embark is doing a good job with cheating is to compare them to someone doing worse at it right now. The cheating is absolutely a reason to stop playing and it's out of control in this game. I'm not sure how you haven't heard of people running into blatant cheaters every tournament for an entire night, because that has certainly happened. Especially since it's so common to get repeat opponents.
Cheating is the single biggest issue in this game and it's kinda insane that you would downplay it.
Skill Issue.
There's 2 issues with this claim. In the current game, there are no killcams and no replays. You have no way to validate how many cheaters you're actually running into. Also, aim assist can give off the impression of cheating and they often get conflated. I've done it myself Im not innocent. Im sorry to hear you've had a worse experience with cheating than me, but as stated in the video, crying about it doesnt help. Cheating is an AWFUL issue in every game it exists. One cheater is too many. But Embark knows this and has full time employees working tirelessly to improve anti-cheat. There's not really anything I can contribute. Thanks for the input!
@@GravityDrop the hackers can be really easy to spot in this game. They'll shoot you the moment you get line of sight to them even if you're far away and they have no way to know you're there. And then there are the ones who can shoot through shields. There's often no subtlety to it whatsoever.
@@SaltyBroncanuss if your lobbies never have hackers, then you're the one with the skill issue, lmao. They're mainly ruining high-level ranked.
@@TheBestcommentor keep crying
I find the game to be super fun I think my main issue as I have a lower end pc is that there is virtually no optimizations that work to bring the game to a stable and high fps, whereas other games in the competitive shooting genre run fine as I optimize them to run at around my monitors refresh rate. I have watched so many "FPS Guide" videos and none of them worked which kinda led to me losing interest. I had a blast during the open beta when the game ran super smoothly for me for some reason.
The beta ran better for a lot of users for some reason. The game definitely needs better optimization and performance. Totally with you there!
I’m speaking for myself as someone who tried the game and then uninstalled. (This might help understand why some people just aren’t playing the Finals in general)
The Finals didn’t interest me because it’s just not interesting. It sort of plays like every game on the market and as cool as the destructibility is, it’s not enough to make it feel like a unique game.
It’s just sort of “another FPS with a slide mechanic, Tacticool animations, an extremely colorful aesthetic and an emphasis on expensive microtransactions and pointless stickers, emotes and skins”
Nothing about it is exciting, nothing about it is invigorating. It’s just “another one” to add to the pile of live service FPS shooters.
Honestly, I wish the battlefield veterans went with a more unique direction for their first game because this just felt like the same trend chasing that made them leave DICE :/
Dude, this is the most fun I have had with a fps since Bad Company 2, you can tell ex-Dice devs did this.
Give it a try at some point again, I bet the first matches are going to be not great, but once it clicks, it clicks, and boy is it fun.
You just need friends lol I promise
@@brajuhaniit just never clicked though. I’m sorry, man it’s just not that special :\ it’s a pretty by-the-books free to play shooter that plays like all the others. Same art style, same movement mechanics, same tacticool animations, etc.
I hope we get something more unique and original in the FPS genre soon. Hell, I’d even welcome back a heavy-feeling grey/brown military shooter if that’s what it takes to get away from this Apex Legends-style stuff
I think nerfing light into the ground made a big impact. Now there are only two weights worth playing
Lights 100% need buffed Season 3 and Mediums need nerfed. Im sick and tired of heal beam and defib lol
You're joking right?? Delusional take.
@@GravityDropNo. They don't. On what planet are you living???
Biggest reasons for me that this gsme is not going forward are: league progress is literally unknown, you cant message anyone in game to ask him does he want to play etc, you cant spectate games of friends, servers are horrendous getting disconnected became a normal thing, small number of maps, bundles are way too expensive and you cant buy single skin or item
Everything you listed has been added to the game in Season 2 except for spectator and text chat which have been confirmed to arrive w Season 3. You can buy single items in bundles and servers have improved dramatically! I recommend giving the game a another chance in Season 3. It's going to be vastly better than what we had Season 1! Thanks for the input!
No, I dont want the meta to shift too drastically. I use a super non-meta weapon, and like playing against the regular old hitscan rifles. And yes I agree with you, recon was absolute non-descript ailment, and the n*kes being removed was honestly the overall best gameplay change they did.
TBH I only see myself grinding comp if its a single game ranked, not a tourny. Also a mmr bar like ow2 or valorant would be sick
They reduced the rounds per tourny to 3. Now the duration is prolly less than ur average valorant or cs match
They changed both ranked and the fcar last week which is pretty good, in my region not many people play ranked and you rarely can find matches. I like the idea of the orbital lasers activating faster, would be pretty powerful in powershift againt the other team that is on the platform.
I would like to see a 5 v 5 CSGO/CS2 type game mode where one team guards and the other attacks to put the cash in the cashout. But instead of "defusing" the cashout you just steal it.
Also this would be on a smaller map.
As for competitive I think they need rewards for winning a tournament or gain a special currency the farther you get in the tournament, to purchase exclusive skins/gear.
Hope this game stays around and thrives.
These are some AWESOME ideas!!!
They started nerfing things that shouldn’t taking too long to nerf stuff they should , a lot of guns in each update start to feel different . Imo and Ime I have to say they started too early with cleaning this cleaning that , and my Shotty got nerfed (when it actually had a learning curve) while scar and AK for example took time and time to be nerfed.
Fun game , def the best fun I had in an arcade shooter since the gold days of COD , this is like a baby of cod and bf mashed up , wich is nice imo , but dunno the SBMM can be felt , the weapons they fucked them up imo, and now that they started this politic of nerfing this and that , imo it created a different experience.
It became boring for me and my ppl , even when doing well. Soo yeah Ima need a lot to come back to THE FINALS . But a lot lot lot lot of potential this game has
Bro stop talking like the burger king foot lettuce guy, your voice is fine
Foot letuce guy is his real voice to some voices sound like that.
I really disagree with gamers needing 'new metas' because personally i feel guns should be tools you need to pick depending on the situation, and not just bring whatever. But, i can get behind buffing other weapons to make them more viable in more situations.
I think the Finals is suffering from marketing and oversaturation of shooters. I didn't hear about it until now and it's the type of game you have to play to understand why it's so insanely fun!
The only thing that sucks is team that prioritize kill over objective it’s really sucks especially rank
Honestly I completely agree with all of your points, and I might add I love the way that you go about presenting your points. Just like the game, it’s refreshing seeing someone with such a neutral
and honest view on topics that other creators seemingly don’t have, I.E saying the game is dead just based on steam charts etc.
Great video. I just really want to tell you that your attitude toward the game and game developer really xhange my thoughts on the game, especially the cheater part, sometimes i feel like we just kept hating on stuff that we dislike and forgot the whole page, thx for your enlightenment
The problem with this game is that it doesn't do anything to entice new players to keep playing. You start off with the worst weapons and have to unlock better weapons as you play against people with the best weapons. There's not SBMM. You should be able to use any weapons from start. Why wouldn't you? I could understand unlocking skins but weapons? Then for some reason I've unlocked weapons and then can't use them in modes. It resets my loadout at the start of the new mode every time and I can't select the weapon I unlocked. It's a shame because this game, despite having slightly clunking movement, is really fun.
This guy lost all credibility when he said he wouldn’t mind a Grenade launcher Meta lol 😂
What threw me off the most, was in all the betas and season 1 the ranked climb constisted of only time put into the game. Season 2 changed it to beeing more punishing, which i liked at first and it's what i wished for since the beginning. I have a ton of hours in the game and finding players, who suit yourplaystyle, fit your irl character AND play at a level, that matches yours has always been a hit or miss. Now here is the big issue that comes from these two things:
Hitting Diamond is no problem for the avg competitive player. Climbing to D3 seems like a minor challenge if you have the right players + time and effort.
This is where it becomes (for me in these words) inhumane and absolute toxic for mental health and relationships.
As soon as you reached the already time consuming goal of D3, climbing higher REQUIRES you to go on big winning streaks. You HAVE to win at least 7,8,9 matches IN A ROW to climb. I've seen countless instances, where i drop 150 leaderboard ranks from losing a single FINAL ROUND, while only getting 20-40 per win. The fact you have to have a perfect Team setup+get lucky you don't run into cheaters to achieve these winning streaks, makes it so freaking frustrating when u lose a single game. 1 loss requires another winstreak, when you break that winstreak you require another one. It's an endless cycle and the amount of perfection it requires in terms of gameplay is literally non human. At this point i've lost countless friends i made in the finals community, due to them not beeing able to keep up in skill (i know it can sound arrogant, but it's jut how it is) that is -perfection- in D2+ or by single mistakes, that cost the game due to us beeing human and not robots, resulting in arguments, ending up not playing together again. I like them as people, i enjoy playing casuals with them. But the ranked system in this game does not allow for the smallest mistakes. One death at the wrong time and you lose the entire game and EVERYTHING except WINNING the final round, loses you such an immense amount of points, that it's not fair to anyone.
You become so limited to the people you queue with and matching time where you can meet up is another topic. I started to only play with 2 fixed people, because with everyone else from any LFG server, i could only find 1 other person who i can consistently win every game with.
If the game would be more about "what round can you reach?" instead of "can you win the finals?" it would be way more humane and healthy.
It's literally like saying only the 1st place in a soccer tournament gets 1000 dollars. But everyone else who took part and didn't reach first place will have to pay 5000 dollars.
(before any comments about skill appear, i'm not the best player on earth but i loved this game from the first minute and i put 1500hrs into the game, adding all betas. I reached top 100 multiple times, stopped playing the game at D2 this season due to the things i mentioned. My friends who are D2 and D1 stopped playing for these reasons too.)
You seem like a smart lad GD so i got a question - why dont they have semi-random cashout spawns? There are so many rooms/buildings in these beautiful maps why do we always fight in the same areas?
In the past, it's never really fruitful to focus on tournaments, especially when factoring in costs of the event itself. Casuals make up probably 80% of every community and likely spend more as well, so I would say focusing primarily on that and flushing out their world to make it more intriguing would make way more sense.
casuals definitely make up the majority of the playerbase. But there's a reason this game has 0 streamers and 0 big content creators. It's because there's nothing to grind for. And tournaments are extremely efficient when the community gets involved. Im telling you this game is super fun to play and watch. It doesnt need some massive budget to prop it up. The community and organizations will host their own tournaments once they're available and it WILL generate MASSIVE hype for the game. Thanks for the input!
Hot take but you are giving Embark way too much credit. The removal of recon wasn’t righteous it was just the easiest and quickest way to shut up the community. A revised recon like Bloodhounds would have retained more of the player base and also quieted the cry babies. Also while seeming bold the aim assist nerf could have better been fixed by allow players to choose input matchmaking instead, as the nerf to aa on console felt like too much for those playing in console only lobbies so once again another chunk of the player based left. Neither of the above had an affect on me continuing to play the game but I believe these were mistakes on Embarks part for sure. Additionally, they keep moving further away from making all classes viable in ranked and seem dead set on making sure light has little to no value in ranked with next week’s double nerfs. None of the above changes actually helped to retain or significantly increase the player base only resulting in more players giving up the game. They keep cooking themselves imo
yea their decision making is sus lately
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Definitely agree. It wasn't bold of them to undernerf nukes 8 times because they were so insistent on keeping them in the game. Even now, they're still in the game technically when the obvious solution was just to remove them and not nerf everything that could possibly be associated with it.
Exactly my thoughts damn
They changed wallhacks in "wall hacks" that was smart. You are a minimum wage worker 🤡
Dropped the game after hundreds of hours, easily the worst solo queue experience and most gamebreaking bugs i have ever seen in an online game. Your efforts as a player is simply not rewarded, and if you have a leaver on your team you are punished for trying. I started realizing this game just wastes my time despite me doing well, wishing for a quick death for this one if this is how it will go.
i didn't even leave the game because of the rank issues, nor the toxicity of the community. i just left because i think it's boring.
To me the finals is a game i enjoy playing but the game is doing well to me but i don't see myself playing the game much after i finish the pass
People put way too much emphasis on ranked.
If you look at the achievemnets alone, only 22% of people have the finish a tournament achievement...
I don't, and I have been playing since the last open beta.
Some great points that I don't recall hearing other people talk about much or at all. Really well thought out. Fingers crossed that Embark also see the wisdom in some of your suggestions or wishes.
Really appreciate that!🙏Thank you!
the throwing knife clip was the dirtiest thing ive ever seen
haha thank you!
Literally the game is always fun. Its so fun
Umm... Blizzard didn't remove just Paris, they removed a ton of maps.
I actually wasn’t aware that ranked games went off the highest member of the party. I’m currently a plat 2 and play with my girlfriend who is a lowly silver and a good friend of mine who has been stuck within gold. That being said, when I play with them, we get absolute 💩’d on. However if I queue up solo, even without coms, we can make it to the finals almost every game. That definitely needs changing in my opinion as I’d love to be able to play ranked w my squad and actually have a fair + enjoyable experience. But despite this, I still love the hell outa the game!
something people tend to forget about is the finals is much better on console and is more massive than pc similar to siege neither look too impressive on steam numbers but on console numbers there huge
I really want a competitive mode that isn’t a tournament. I want to play a competitive mode but I don’t want to play an entire tournament that I don’t know how long it is going to take because if you lose right away it’s not very long but if you make it to the end it’s a pretty long game mode.
The new 24 player tournaments are shorter. Only 30 minutes if you play the entire thing. Would you be interested in competitive Terminal Attack? Interested in hearing the community's thoughts on that one!
@@GravityDrop I would definitely like that. Terminal Attack is a lot of fun and a little more straightfoward than cashout which I enjoy.
Your player count argument makes sense. There will always be more players on the release days because everyone wants to be there st that time. But those players still do play but at different times
Thank you for breaking down the game. I was looking for a new FPS title to grind. You've assisted in my decision!