Remember, they tried to remove Smoke's immunity to his own gas. That was a legitimate thing they tried to do. They have no concept of the words "fun" or "balance."
@@roman8197The crying shame is that Ubisoft devs seem to be the bottom of the barrel when it comes to skill in their own game, that or their play-testers are. Nobody with even a passing knowledge of the game would’ve okay that decision.
Back in the day I used to have a process to picking my operator. “Theyre on this map so they’re probably on this site, I’ll pick this op because they’re useful here” now I sit there and stare at the operator select screen almost until time runs out because I don’t know who to pick, because no one’s fun to play anymore.
I think that it is even worse on defense because all the ops either have terrible guns or no utility LITERALLY not allowing you to bring any form of utility if you want to win a gun fight.
@@shadowdragonz4777lesion, fenrir, melusi, azami, maestro, wamai, sentry. I’d consider a decent amount of others ops in here too, these are just off the top of my head
Attacker repick has made picking ops way more strategic, certain ops entire use can be based around droning and figuring out the setup. Maestro or Kapkan on the board I’ll counter with brava, same or iq if see valk or vigil. Back when there was no repick droning was essentially throwing cause once u picked ur line up u were set, so why waste a drone.
Yeah we uh, aren't far. I've actually messed with this and pistols are by far and away the fastest class, with an ads speed of upward of 0.19, and if you hit the first headshot, you win. There's a theory and solid logic here, it'd just need some good practice. I want to see this happen.
No idea why out of the blue YT decided “wanna see a vid on a game you haven’t played in 4 years”, but I’m more than grateful it did. Won’t be playing siege again, but I enjoyed the editing style, pace and humour. You deserve way more than what you’re getting buddy, you’ll blow up one day.
@@katyrr While i agree the video is sometimes incoherent and all over the place cuz of the wild editing and photo bombing, i am not really motivated to play this game solo like i used to some seasons back. I only came back to play with some friends who got the game recently. Ubisoft clearly has no idea how to balance the game, the attackers feel way too weak compared to the defenders and the recoil of nearly every gun is straight up horrible. I won't even talk about ranked 2.0, sadly they took out everything that made siege unique and fun for the sake of balance and pros.
@@miguelzurita3216The game isnt even close to dead. In fact im pretty sure last year it hit a peak player count. The game has never died, in my eyes if youre racking in over 10k players a month then its far from dead lmao. But some people think of theyre not bringing in 50k+ concurrent players then that means it's dead. It's so stupid how some people define "dead" game. Its really people who just dislike the game and don't like the direction it's headed convincing themselves that its not worth playing anymore, for reasons outside of them simply not enjoying the way its played anymore.
Their "balancing graph" is so idiotic, the way they balancing the operators feels like they do "less" rather than do "more" by making the operators useless.
@@AR15andGOD What is it about handheld death machines and an all-powerful force is so appealing? ("AR15" and "God"). People have their own preferences, likes and desires, even if you'll never understand them
Didnt matter too much at the beginning of the game. But the 1.5 helps with easy and/or sneaky head shots. The game at the beginning wasnt made to revolve around one shot headshots and it felt like the 1 shot mechanic was still a problem when i stopped playing a few years ago.
Most reticles in the game suck. Holo is decent, but it's so hard to shoot at range with it because of how many details, colors and clutter there is. Acog is good, but you lose peripheral vision and fighting close range can be hard to track. 1.5 is a balance of not being too much zoom for close range, not taking away peripheral vision, while helping you shoot at range and discern objects more clearly. But most importantly, the reticle was really good. It was probably a bit strong as it had very little down side, but I think the bigger problem is that to play 1x sights, you need to play stretch rez or you won't see shit.
Tried to play yesterday after not playing for 3 years and it felt SO unbelievably wonky and clunky with the ADS speed change. The gunplay doesn’t feel right and the gadgets & utility distribution are all over the place
Dude, I just played like a week ago. Game is so clunky I remember a long time ago. The aim was so precise. The movie was so precise, and now it feels so bad.
Lol I stopped playing this trash after they stole Bucks grenades. The movement and overall speed of this game is SOOO pathetic now the game is so stupid now.
@@Angrynood You can set your team to be orange, and enemy to blue, but then enemy gadgets will be marked as blue when pinged. It's so stupid I can't even think of an excuse for that. Why not keep enemy gadgets red, when the team is blue? Ask the braindead drunk lobster in ubisoft's office. Even if it's somehow easier for colorblind people. MAKE IT OPTIONAL, FOR GOD'S SAKE!
What a sad state of affairs. I actually love Siege as a game concept, though the dev team just really keeps throwing their excrement at us as if they want to make us not want to play.
@@soundrogue4472Nah, even if people stop playing they will just move on to the next big thing and leave it to rot like many other game devs have done to their games before. The only way siege can becone the great game it was always supposed to be is if a team that actually cares about the game being fun and not just looking at data and tweaking numbers takes over.
What is it now, but a 5v5 hero shooter? No really, I used to love the concept. But the concept I loved was the anti terrorist special force going in with a free pass on refacing the building's layout. I loved that it was an hardcore shooter. You had a team, an objective, a gun and a compass. You could be creative in your approach. Hide in the shadows, risk your head by peeking early, lock down hallways with a murder hole... It was just unlimited. That more serious and immersive vibe coupled with a freeing gameplay was what I loved. But that's also what was taken away.
This balancing method SCREAMS “we are looking at numbers and nothing else,” nerfing everything Jäger has except his gadget seems like they saw the numbers and wanted to curb it, not giving a damn why the pick rate was high in the first place or if it would even be fun
Nah, it screams we know what the problem is but can't do anything about it in the shorterm, so we are kneecapping the ops fragging power till we get around to doing a more complicated rework of their gadget. Do they then adjust the power of the operator after the gadget rework? Nope, not in the slightest, and the operator is left in a terribly unfun state. Then there are the frags which they outright gave up on doing their intended rework for because it was too complicated and instead turned them into a meme with zero skill expression that isn't worth taking over flashes.
In XDefiant, Ubisoft's another multiplayer FPS, there's a a really ironic thing about that. There is a faction that has aesthetics and active abilities based on Siege. Do you know what is its passive? Cancelling out enemy headshots, so they count as body shots instead!
siege doesn’t actually have a 1/shot headshot mechanic. it just uses an insane headshot multiplier. in shooting range you can see it, certain weapons at 20+ meters through walls won’t 1 shot headshot mechanic
I swear that they're going to say at some point, "being shot through the wall and dying is unfair because you never see your opponent so we have decided to get rid of destructable surfaces".
@@mamuebav okay let's be honest dying to bullet holes in a wall or getting spawn killed through a barricade that you couldn't even tell was broken wasn't fun at all that's actually a good change
@@mamuebavBullet holes were legitimately ridiculous though. You literally couldn't do anything about it besides putting a drone in the common spots and hope your prefire beat their nasty angle. Which, granted is a solution but as time goes on, the sheer amount of nonsense you have to do as set up before even making your plays is ridiculous. I preferred longer rounds for exactly this reason. Having more time for each round discouraged these playstyles. Having more time slows down the game and encourages the more tactical experience.
Ironically that would actually make the game easier for most bosses, as shield poking would be the meta. It would also make the community about 75% worse as most shield players I've seen do not have any concept of timing or spacing
It’s actually the opposite, the community wasnt getting better they were getting braindead, dependent on gunskill with the strategic aspect being undermined when it’s far easier to tdm
@@UnPokemon People hated the introduction of YET ANOTHER arbitrary dump stat in the "build your character your way, so much variety, wow" video game (Acrobatics). Absolutely. However, dodging is THE meta in Dark Souls 2 because that game gives rolling the most i-frames if you invest into Acrobatics. So ironically, they didn't nerf dodging, but they did force players to spec into it. And it just so happens that if you spec into Acrobatics, it makes any non-shield build better...oops. It's still a great game tho, but that was definitely the "forward assist" of design choices in video games lol
Something I'm noticing with this video is that 3-armors are shunned heavily and Ubisoft isn't doing shit about it. They're literally using that as a frickin punishment nerf. It's like putting the operator on timeout. You'd think if they wanted the game to be less Call of Duty they would address that.
The counter strike bit is even more relevant when you know they chose to make the aug and SSG cheaper so more people would use them, see they're good, and then they bumped the price back up, they got people using a new gun without changing the stats or nerfing anything else
if you've been following csgo back in the day you can see that its devs actually have the same "one right way to play the game, no fun allowed" mentality unfortunately. The way they gutted all the upgraded pistols, especially the CZ (the deagle no longer 2-shotting to the body against armor seems an atrocity of the highest order, but I wasn't playing as actively at that point), and the AUG debacle come to mind.
@@BlinchixOfRiviaIt still isn't a bad thing in and of itself. It's just that Ubisoft is fucking incompetent in balancing it somehow because it's fucking easy like there is an example of what they could've done in this video but they decided both ops need to be nerfed for some reason.
@@NewYorks_ If the guns never get used you balance the gun to suit the character it was made for. Putting an FMG on attack or an AR-15 on defence is just so lazy.
We need to normalize guns actually shooting properly while not ads'ing Battlebit did it and it feels so good.... (You need to compensate the sway of the gun while walking and turning, but the bullets don't magically curve).
Can never forgive them for taking away bucks nades, because he ‘overshadows’ sledge. Made worse is that then they NERF sledge because he is picked too much afterwards
funny that ppl keep bring up the fact they nerfed sledge, or the (wow, this ops good, lets nerf sledge), when he's literally only gotten 1 nerf since he's been in the game. and thats him losing his smg11 hardbreaches are way better on buck anyways...
@@astolfo4346Bucks main use is vertical play, throwing nades down on people from above to force them into bad spots for easy picks was 100% a better play style for buck than hardbreach charges. Sledge becoming a 1 speed is also 100% a nerf. The L85 has also been nerfed several times specifically because of sledge pick/win rates.
I just realized the brilliance of this video editing style after watching it for the 3rd time. Probs no one will see this, but this is basically a funny moments compilation but with some much needed down time in between the funny clips with an actual topic he's talking about. It just makes the pacing so incredibly smooth it keeps me hooked the whole way through.
Still love the fact this "tactical shooter" has the operators have the ads speed of an old geriatric person due to how slow it is. It's bs for ads almost taking a full second each time, certainly means good things for frost mats, if anything good has come out of it it's that only.
I am not a Special Forces-level soldier. I am not even a soldier. I have, however, participated in a shoothouse before, more or less for fun; a friend made a few fake guns that were roughly the same size and weight as real-world guns. I was able to aim down sights faster and shoot faster than anyone in modern R6.
It either that or some higher up is going "this is now how you play the game NERF IT NOW" and the dev just have to or they'll get repaced with someone who will Either or honestly
Or they could switch up designers regularly and they all have very different balancing philosophies. Considering this game’s been around for nearly 10 years, you can tell they’ve changed a dozen at this point.
my final straw was the nerfs to bullentproof things like mira and meastro. like why the hell would this thing be able to stop BULLETS if you can bang against it with a plastic stock and shatter it
It wasn’t really agasint maestro as it was agasint Mira, because at the time she was absolutely dominating. It made it so you had to actually put in in a good spot in site and think about where to put it. Maestro probably didn’t deserve that though, that was most likely for consistency.
all of this can be summarzied with a single statement: No one who made Rainbow Six Siege still works on the game. I dont think a single original developer or director or artist is still on the team. Its being ran into the ground by inexperienced hires who dont have any passion for it or the genre. All of the directors were probably replaced by people with Esports experience and the entire project shifted towards an ultra competitive meta that they dont understand.
game metas shouldnt be constantly tweaked, but allowed to run their own course. Entirely changing the meta every 3 months signifies the developer doesnt believe their own playerbase is intelligent. If a meta comes to exist, players will find ways to counter it. Denying the players that ability is shameful
Agree with your first comment. Started playing in year 1, and while the game certainly had issues it felt like the team was doing their best to pull things together into a competent and coherent game. After it became more successful and Ubisoft higher ups took notice the dev team was expanded and eventually replaced, and with that the original vision was lost. This is probably most obvious in the map design: wide open hallways, rooms with only 1 or 2 solid pieces of cover. Villa is the worst offender in that regard. I can't say that the game's identity from Y1 is the same as now.
e-Sports ruined Siege. e-Sports really ruined gaming in general. I miss it when it was only a few clans like OG MW2 FaZe and not whatever it is rn. Seems like every change is made to cater to Pro League needs, and not what the community needs.
4:36 Tachanka also had his original voice actor replaced which took away all of the soul of the character imo. Anatoly Zinoviev was a very respected person in the community, who actively interacted with fans and read out his iconic voicelines for whoever asked. Keep in mind they only replaced him for “scheduling reasons” meaning that the only reason for the recasting was just them wanting to get his shitty rework out and over with.
At least Ubisoft communicates what they're trying to do. With the detailed patch notes, developer commentary, and win rate graph, we can tell exactly what mistakes they made as soon as the patch drops!
The issue ive always found is if you balance a game by getting opinions from high level players or even around high level play, everyone who is casual bitches and moans, but then if you balance around fun in a competitve game like siege everyone who think theyre good or dies to something "fun" calls it no skilled and need nerfs. Also doesnt help youve got narcisstic mind games from people where they want acogs in the game, but then whine and bitch when its the best option. Theres also the fact non pros and people who arent super high elo will reiterate what someone whos good says just to get good boy internet points. Everyone wants to collectively bitch and moan about somethin and how it needs nerfs but then when everything gets nerfed into the ground theyre suprised. Look at league of legends for even more examples. Nothing will ever be balanced and fun in a pvp setting. Theres always gunna be someone hopped up on copium blaming something about the game.
We’ll just listen to the pros and balance our game based on their feedback. What could go wrong? It’s basically a win-win situation. *Famous last words*
Gadgets are often getting so nerfed, reworked, and inconsistent to use, I feel like my gun skill is the only reliable consistent thing I can use and control.
I downloaded the game in order to play it again, as i really loved clearing the levels with different gadgets, weapons e.t.c. I couldn't find it, played a couple cluster f#ck what casual games and uninstalled it.
I played r6 purely for that. I played it so much that I memorised T spawns on Plane and House. I and my best friend used to challenge each other to see who could take down the most Ts on realistic difficulty. i loved having to be tactical and methodical, slowly moving through the map, listening out for shuffling or footsteps where one missed audio cue meant i was spectating my friend. i also miss the 💣 guys who would be really tough to kill on realistic unless you flanked them and disabled their primer. wish they put more love into t-hunt it was such a good time for me and my friends. won't be playing any more now that it's gone, and even if they added it back the inability to take people down through walls and the nerf to frags drastically removes any tactical aspect to it.
not to mention the tachanka change, that turret was so fun on t-hunt defence as you could set up a choke point while your friend played as castle to watch your back and cut off flanks. that turret made a point feel like a fortress under siege. now his GL feels awful to use and is so useless as enemies can walk straight through it, and his lmg being a weapon makes his other weapon redundant, and turns him into just another frag operator rather than a "set up a choke point and turn the point into a bunker" operator
@@LucidLiuxx I’m perfectly happy with the tchanka change. He was a broken, useless and dysfunctional operator. You can’t fault Ubi for finally fixing him, regardless of memes. Let’s be real here
@@redandblue1013The issue is that he is STILL broken and useless. They didn’t fix him, they just took away the bit that made him fun. That is why Ubi is 100% to blame.
The first and only game I ever played of Siege was me running into a bedroom, grabbing a lady and running away without seeing a single soul. 100% winrate, 0 death, 0 kills, +1 Woman. Great game. I'm never going to play it again.
4:27 it’s weird they took every piece of silly goofiness out of the gameplay then sold you a cosplay convention in the shop. You’ve made a tactical shooter then put 2b against Rick and Morty
Siege is sad, it used to have a fun element to it in Year 2 and 3. But now it just seems like Home Owner's Association of a Karen took charge of the balancing team and once had fun as a 5 year old and wanted to never have the experience of having fun ever again and so set out to ruin it all.
My favorite operator got buffed so you are wrong and you are just cherry picking the examples in your favor like I play maestro and he gets buffed and just play the game it's fun no matter what you think it's still fun and enjoyable
The balancing is half the reason I stopped playing Siege. I literally used to bet with my friends on who was gonna get the dumbest, most out of nowhere and unnecessarily powerful nerf and Ubi just kept 1-upping themselves. I just slowly lost all will to play the game since every few months the game would basically be completely remade for the worse with little to no new content added to attempt to balance it out. Day after day I would log on, and day after day it was the same maps, with the same operators, using the same strats, over... and over... and over... and over again. The community is about as pleasant as burying your head in a fire ant nest, cheaters run the game and Ubi just doesn't seem to give a crap about solving it, and the new subscription is just them being so obvious that it's not about making a good or functioning product, it's about just printing money off the whales who are addicted. From what I've experienced, the majority of the community can basically be summed up as the "Consume product then get excited for next product" meme. When I still had my Reddit, anytime I would try bringing up the fact that Ubi was destroying the game, I would get just dozens of the dumbest takes I've ever read. Honest to God, I once had a dude tell me that bringing up the endless cheaters, lack of proper balancing, and the content drought as an attack on the inclusion of gay people into the game (I wish I was joking, the R6 Reddit community has actual fucking brain damage). The game has constant bugs and glitches that often last for multiple seasons or even entire years, it runs like the only thing holding it together is a 15-year old anemic hamster kept alive through the power of demon worship and child sacrifice, meanwhile the community just sits there and takes it. And if you raise even a single finger in protest you get blasted by an endless wave of room temperature IQ neckbeards basically telling you to shut up, stop asking questions and CONSOOM PRODUCT. Ubisoft has managed to starve and abuse the community to the point that the slightest hint at a new map or weapon is seen as the second coming of Christ. SBMM being in every single mode made it impossible to just have fun with your buddies, if you're not sweating your nuts off, you're gonna lose and you will lose rank, even if you're in Casual... no, wait... "sTaNdArD". There's no fun to be had anymore, every decision has made the game go from bad to worse and somehow Ubi continues to find new ways to ruin the game I used to love. I spent over 1,100 hours over 2 1/2+ years of my life on this game, I want it to be great, I want to come back and have this be my favorite game again, but the devs just have no clue what they're doing and quite frankly they need to be fired and replaced by competent people who know how to balance, are willing to make new content, and are willing to fix the game's issues. BTW really good video 10/10
I think you've pretty much nailed it. A company's only goal is to make money and Ubi isn't even trying to hide it. Meaning the people who see no problems with Ubi's actions, are the same ones who are willing to dump hundreds are dollars into pointless cosmetics. Also I think the problem with the current developers is a lack of direction. They aren't the same people who made the game originally, so they don't have the same vision for what the game should be. The seem to be lacking a clear direction to take the game in and what changes should be made. It seems their only real guidance is the operator's pick and win rates.
Decent takes, but its not as bad as you make it sound. Its bad, yes i wont deny that especially when it comes the balancing. But its not "quit the game" bad at least not for me. I still have fun loading up the game with the boys and just running around doing whatever i want without sweating and absolutely crush the competition (if im lucky 😂). But yeah you dont have to full on sweat to win, especially not with the new ranked 2.0 system. If you just accept that winning isnt everything and just make it a secondary objective to having fun with the boys then the game isnt near as bad. There are plenty of content creators out there who's content circles around being stupid and just having a good time, you dont need to sweat at every game to win and you dont have to play on a monotonous, orthodox way to win every game. Also interacting with the community at large is sorta optional, as it is with any game. If i wanted to interact with a community, i would go outside and interact with the people around me, not people on the internet with bad takes.
plebbit users trying not to be slower than my cat challenge (she has a habit of drinking from the kitchen sink even though we put a bowl of water into the same kitchen the sink she takes sips from is located)
They couldn't have terrorists portrayed in their game which is based around an elite anti-terrorist task forc- I mean Esports and airsoft Edit: Holly shit people, it’s sarcastic. My comment is sarcastic
This mode was what siege was supposed to be about, but they ran out of ideas and decided to focus on e-sports and let it be a battleass soap opera to sell skins and whatever
@@Soliye. then why siege did have t hunt in the first place if they cant have it lmao original thing that tom clancy said should never be in game is PLAYERS playing as terrorists it was fine with ai though, thats why previous tom clancy games (and i mean old ones) are singleplayer
@@Сталкер-ь2х It's not that they can't have it, it's that for them it doesn't make sense to still have terrorists. If we go on a list of things that don't respect Tom Clancy's vision, we're in for a few hundred pages my guy...
As a friend of mine used to say "Balancing should almost never come in nerfs, but boosting the most niche stuff so everybody can have a great time without feeling useless"
When I played the Siege Beta all those years I could tell the developers were actively trying to make a fun game to play, its loop and that fun factor had me hooked. Now it feels like the devs want to remove any of the last bits of fun left in the game, until there’s no fun or no players left. Whichever comes first.
@@HS_Rick Beta was perfect, Red Crow was the last great update, White Noise was the last good update, Phantom Sight was the last update that was not below par. Everything from there was getting worse and worse, but I think Void Edge is when the game really became "WTF is even going on".
It’s the same story all over again with For Honor. Or any other live service Ubisoft game. They don’t want success, they harvest the suffering of the community
@@Venicilia i tried playing siege after all those years and i was greeted by the most horrible main menu interface in all my life i just turned that shi off straight after
its because they're catering to the 'pros' and esports players. If something is so stupid and so fun that it works even against high rank players ofc the high ranked players are going to whine about it
as someone who admittedly literally doesn’t and won’t play siege or any other competitive shooter, it honestly sounds like ubisoft wants to have a classic shooter without ads; that way they can just adjust accuracy directly by changing spread lol somebody tell them they made a 2010s modern fps, I think they forgot
Siege is trying to become more and more like a tactical shooter, but what made it so successful is because of the snappy gun play combined with the high lethality of fights.
Guns are simultaneously too deadly and not deadly enough. headshots being instakills no matter what is actually an insanely unfun degree of randomness. It worked when guns were better and snappier because it rewarded precision but after massively nerfing ads all it does is turn fights into massive frustrating dice rolls with little skill. My shots are not going where i want them and i died because his shots, which are also going everywhere randomly, managed to nick my head
"We know this will be an unpopular change" Do you want people to stop playing your game ? If you know people won't like it, why tf are you doing it ? You don't have to fix something that isn't broken. And if it was broken, then the change would be a popular one, right ?
I’m gonna be honest I ain’t helping either the moment I see I laser cam I make it my mission to steal all them and make maestro regret ever picking him.
Ubisoft has almost always had a problem with their balancing philosophy. For Honor and Siege are prime examples. There are more nerfs in Siege alone, than the entirety of the nerfs in the entire Super Smash Bros series, spanning more than 25 years, 5 games, and 44 patches, and 13 revision changes (a revision is when a game is released, but has a rerelease with underlying changes, such as being pre-patched, slightly altered, or fixing issues)
@@Gigopz cod has unrealistic recoil, highly trained military operators can mag dump without it hitting the roof. Guns don't have much recoil irl unless it's poorly designed.
@@person44222 And whats fun is purely subjective, just because you don't find Siege fun doesn't mean everyone else shares your opinion, you can go play other games, I will stick with Siege since I do find it fun.
Every gun fight goes one of two ways, either someone gets instantly pixel sniped by a camper with an acog, or its a coin flip of who gets lucky with recoil. its like ubi is trying to make every gun fight a 50/50 at the expense of all fun.
This sound like someone that doent understand the game very well, Im guessing by camping you mean holding an angle which Is pretty normal thing in an fps game and swinging the person holding will always give you the advantage, learning to control recoil is very rewarding and if you know how and when to peek gunfight are far from a 50/50.
@@Gigopzplus swinging first registers on the server quicker than sitting and holding an angle. I will say though the ads changes and removal of 1.5 especially for attack makes it way harder to attack even though the game was already defender sided during that meta. I think defenders should keep acog and not get 1.5, but I think attackers should get the 1.5.
I ave no idea what your talking a put with the recoil. It really is pretty easy to control on most guns. If you’re having to get lucky with recoil to win a fight your just awful at the game
Sounds like you played like 3 matches of this game, full sprinted into a line of sight and got mowed down, and quit forever because you're horrible and dont know how to slow tf down and use drones or check common angles. This is siege not CoD. If you wanna turn your brain off and just run and gun, then black ops 6 is coming out pretty soon. You might would rather look into that.
Ubi misses that half the point of balancing is perception. You can nerf things, but nerf the parts that are already weak when possible so you can keep shit fun for the players. No one cares if something is strong so long as there’s counterplay.
Rainbow is like... the only game I've quit because of balance changes. A thousand hours in it, too. It's not even any specific change that did it, it was the constant unending downward trajectory of terrible decisions spawning more terrible decisions progressively making everything feel worse to play. It felt like every single patch had a new clown ass change that wasn't asked for or was obviously the exact expected outcome of the change they made last time. For years. The only game I've seen similar stuff in is Overwatch, and I think it's the exact same problem in both cases. They have a way things "should be" and hammer any outliers to that vision into submission irrespective of cascading consequences or player feedback. Player expression and meta isn't seen as the natural progression of strategy, it's seen as data points to curb.
Riot is also doing the same thing with Valorant like what Ubisoft is doing with Siege, nerfing characters and weapons, etc, for the sake of pro play and e-sports, outright saying Viper was nerfed BECAUSE OF PRO PLAY. (I was maining her since closed beta and she was nerfed multiple times simply because of her high pick rate and cus she was great, compared to other agents) Viper's recent nerf is the reason I quit the game, ruined the fun and ruined the experience. I am tired of devs making nerfs to good balanced characters instead of buffing the bad ones. It's so exhausting seeing great games and parts of games ruined because of pros. E-sports ruined competitive gaming/gaming in general imo.
@@aidenbrenneman2302 Hah, funny. Even if that's the case and isn't just another arbitrary addition to try to quiet the playerbase down, it's coming after years of aimless balance changes and negligence followed by a move to a "sequel" that overpromised and underdelivered followed by more of the same crappy balance decisions. What we wound up getting during that move was primarily an excuse to overhaul their monetization system, which replaced a system built on gambling that free players could at least participate in through play to one that hinges on fomo and necessitates ludicrous cosmetic buy ins. The most significant balance changes stemmed entirely from a bandaid fix for the chronically low tank population, a result of having made tank so terrible to play that players refused to touch the role and ballooned queue times. Largely the role remains miserable, and the consequences from the change are so wide reaching they've created an entire new sect of their playerbase that wants to revert the only substantial change in format justifying the move to a "sequel". The fact that they're listening to that is hardly worth much when they're the architects of their own destruction, and that's putting aside any debate about the actual viability of such a change. It's probably getting relegated to a side mode that's going to struggle to maintain a base large enough to find games anyhow.
Alexander Karpazis (Creativ Director) and Joshua A. Mills (Game Director) destroyed the game entirely. I hold these two fully responsible for the disastrous state the game is in.
I was pretty tired of what the devs were doing with this game but the final nail in the coffin for me in this game was when they nerfed Kali and framed it as a buff when she was already the most useless operator in the game at the time. It was something along the lines of "yeah we're buffing her by removing the guaranteed one shot down on torso shot (not kill, down) and adding damage dropoff to her sniper so she wont kill, down, or do anything past 25m with a 12x scope sniper".
when they nerded clash by “buffing” her smg by making it full auto that has so much recoil you cant shoot past 10m away, compared to the old one that was the two shot burst that had low recoil so you can use skill to defend yourself. Or when they nerfed Maestros acog and his lmg so many times when his cameras were out of line and nerfed him another couple of times before they finally got the cameras, and not reverting the lmg buffs.
Imagine if the Rocket League developers noticed players starting to flip reset off of the ball and then just removed the ability to do that because it's not how they want thier game to be played lmao
The house rework was right before i quit the game. Played it since launch, but that patch marked the obvious sign that the game was going in the wrong direction. The "balance" patches were clear evidence
i played since launch as well, and I stopped playing after they completely changed tachanka. Im glad I did because that quite literally snowballed into ubisoft brain blasting their game into a garbage dumb of a game. It has its title and memories of when it was fun, and thats about it
The balancing of this game is like a never ending cycle, change for the sake of change so things don't seem the same season to season. I would much rather have definitive balancing changes that point into a direction like the grenade nerf which is a cornerstone change if they don't backtrack on it. I would also like a change like this on defenders so they streamline the acogs and actually present a choice for the defender instead of "I pick wamai bc he has acog" a much more player focused approach should be "I pick this operator but should I also put an acog on him?". But nevermind with ubisoft's trackrecord we can expect years upon years of "X defender with acog was too strong so we removed acog and gave it to Y defender" "Oh no Y defender after given acog is also too strong it's time for a recoil nerf".
I agree there is no clear direction. The team working on the game now is different from the one that made the game. It seems the new team is struggling to find a clear vision or direction to take the game in. The only guidance they seem to have is the pick and win rates.
@@Spaadez I have to disagree completely, the direction to me is clear, slower and tactical game and less tdm running and gunning playstyle, I agree with all the nerfs and thing the game is finally going in a direction its supposed to.
@@Gigopz bro imma be honest, siege is not a tactical game. The older games were but siege is just a hero based arena shooter and the devs don't want to admit that. If they did the balancing decisions would've been more proactive instead of reactive.
@@GCheckCentral It is a tactical game, the older games were singleplayer mostly and not even close to what Siege is trying to do, balancing is mostly reactive since predicting the meta in 6 months is very hard even for them and they have done a good job on balancing the ops. Playing the game like an arena shooter doesn't get you far and if I thought the older games did a better job I would play them, but I don't enjoy any of the old R6 games.
which is why they did the ads speed nerf. to punish ppl who just pick an op for an acog. 1.0x's were already better before hand, then they also give them an ads speed bonus. no-one with more then 5 braincells should even be picking acogs rn cus they just arnt as good as 1.0x's. pretty much the only good reason to ever bring them is to spawn peak
Rainbow Six Siege is an example of what happens when developers Nerf everything, a shit game. Helldivers 2 is an example of what happens when you buff everything, a good game.
Many of us are too invested to dare venture towards any other title. And the mechanics and gameplay is so unique that we ain't got no other option. we play for nostalgia and that sliver of hope that Ubisoft will come to their senses... one day.
@@FlashySenap The nostalgia of what ? I played the game since day 1 and its in a far better state today than it was back then, hell it was barely playable for years with all the technical and balance issues it had.
imo the most defender oriented advantage currently is pixel-peeking. I've lost count of the times I've breached a seemingly empty room but heres a random guy way in the corner of the next room over and boom ur shot. My idea for a fix for this is to have a proper muzzle. Currently the bullet comes from the sight. Moving the simulated muzzle to the actual muzzle will make peeking more difficult
I always hated how I died because I saw 1/16th of the enemy's head, and he still killed me. That doesn't even make any fucking sense. How do you see someone's hair and die?????
@@choppergunner8650 the fucking game's alien physics, the scope of the gun is the one that spits bullet. That's why u die before u even see the full head of the enemy mate.
@@HoxFox22 yeah, I always noticed how I killed someone before I even fully finished aiming. The funny bit is that theoretically, by using the gun with the most fire rate, you'd probably get better luck firing a bullet salvo and getting a random headshot than aiming center mass and killing someone.
How can you support Palestine when the quran says the Bible is the word of God and the Bible says Israel belongs to the Jews? I bet you’re a minor as well.
Helldivers 2, after a few months: damn. Nerfing this stuff wasnt the best idea. Lets rebuff the stuff we broke and allow for more loadout variety! R6s, after nearly a goddamn decade: we cannot allow fun.
Compare this to the recent HD2 patch, they realized players were using the orbital precision on moving units, which they didn't intend, so they buffed it to be more useful for how players use it instead of forcing you to use it the way they wanted
Don't rush to praise HD2 balancing. I still remember them taking the Eruptor out back and shooting it in the head, and making the rocket launcher on the patriot unable to aim properly.
@@PowerfulSkeleton The eruptors shrapnel effect and massive ammo capacity was very silly, this patch is clearly a step in the right direction in terms of how things are balanced, as to actually making updates they're clearly very short on actual testing
I don't get how devs in many games don't seem to understand this; there will always be a meta. Doesn't matter what you do, as long as there is more than one option and they're not the same, something will be seen as better. However, newsflash, that's fine! Players care about this a greater amount if the meta is 1-or-more of; boring, easy to use, unfun to play against, (and more...).
3 things: 1. awesome video, solid pacing, you tackled everything in great detail and i love the sense of humour :) 2. fuck i miss intel meta. 3. no you're simply wrong, you FOOL, jager has an incredibly in depth knowledge of helicopters not trains.
I was surprised to see such a low sub count for the production value, this watches a lot better than most of the slop coming out of top creators rn. Always nice to see someone ragging on Ubisoft's horrific management of their properties in such a passionate and polished way. I hope your channel continues to take off. :D
This is top tier quality content, hope the algorithm blesses it one day To add a bit of constructive criticism though - the video had an "old Maxor"-esque style with lots of text and images popping up for but a moment. While very impressive, I bet people underestimate how much work all of this actually is, I am not a fan of the end product entirely The pros: Gives the impression that a lot is going on, "comedic chaos" that never loses tempo The cons: I have to choose between missing out on the content, or annoyingly rewinding the video every instance there isn't enough time to comprehend what I just saw. Infinitely worse on a phone than a PC, but the latter breaks the flow regardless, while the former makes me feel like I'm missing out on stuff I know the comment may sound more negative than positive, but I'd rate the video 8.5-9/10. Very impressive stuff
@@SpaadezI think you hit the balance here. The fact of the matter is that things need to be fast paced in order to get people to sit for 30 minutes. So to capture this modern adhd crowd, you’re ALWAYS gonna get this complaint of things being too fast. Because they are. And they have to be.
@@SpaadezI think It would be good turn up the chaos in the editing when making making the funny points about the retarded lmg nerf and what happened to jager but when making a more serious point about the fundamental issue with ubisofts balancing philosophy then take it easy on the memes
I honestly thought the Acog coming back would be great for the game, but I made the mistake of thinking they would be mainly giving defenders 1.0s while most attackers had 2.5, so that attackers could have advantage at range and on holding angles while defense could reposition faster and have an advantage in closer range. Unfortunately what we got was instead practically every insane gun on defense having a 2.5 so defenders can now spawn peek and hold angles from narnia with absolutely no counterplay
Crazy that making guns feel awful was their first go-to for a lot of pick rate changes, when they are developing basically a hero shooter and not looking at the hero's "abilities" first before ruining the core of the shooter.
Happy to see this video blow up! Not only is this an important topic for Ubi to listen to, but your videos are so well edited andd high quality. I was surprised when I noticed you aren't a large youtuber with a million subscribers.
crazy how the go through all this 'thinking' to 'balance' grenades. you know what wouldve done that? reducing it to one so it still has the same destructiveness and balanced out with a c4
remember glaz’s rework that was supposed to make his smoke sight better so hed be picked more, and they just gave him frags so you didnt even take smokes anymore?
I remember when the good thing to do as a defender was to lock down the bombsites and prevent attackers' entry. Now everyone (including 1 speed ops) roam around the map. Everyone thinks they're Cav or Vigil. Not gonna lie, what ended up ruining this game was e-Sports. Pro League brought this game down as far as it could go, because people are always looking forward to the next big strategy, not trying to discover shit on their own. I had a friend who literally spent hours on custom lobbies trying to replicate what he saw on Pro League, and me, someone who never really played the game well (mostly a solid Gold II-I player), I never enjoyed how I had to learn and adapt to these Pro League tactics because that's the only way he would play the game, trying to replicate their tactics. That shit got tiring, and alongside with Ubisoft's constant map reworks and operator balances that always turned out ass, I grew distasteful of the game by Year 6, and I eventually stopped playing altogether. I remember when Tachanka was literally the worst operator in the entire game (he already had the shield to the LMG), and NOBODY picked him. I started picking him out of fucking memery, but I actually developed good strategies that with correct teamwork was literally impossible to beat. Mute could defeat incoming drones, Jäger would destroy incoming grenades, and it forced people to expose themselves to the might of the Russian Lord if they wanted to enter the bombsite. I actually did win rounds using that fucking thing and actually got good at it. Anyone who'd try and get close enough for a knife kill would be met with a semi-auto shotgun to the face. Since they reworked Tachanka into a complete mess of an operator, and the maps all changed, the meme is dead, the tactics are gone and the fun is over. And that's ONE operator I'm talking about. I could spend the entire day writing about how they ended every single operator because someone was probably bitching about it. Like Glaz and his smoke grenades and his sight that got changed so now you have to stand still for it to work, Twitch with a jumping drone, etc.
Even the term "e-sports" is a ridiculous concept about bringing baggage from athletics (already a clown show that makes me feel bad for athletic people tbh) and ruining gaming with all the same rules, restrictions, and money corrupting the purity of what it's about. These companies are all anti-fun and they want to exploit people for money. If they cared about their customer base, it wouldn't be like it is.
@@HateBear-real I'm not a 90s kid (born in 2000), but I like how back then they had proper gaming tournaments. Like, a bunch of random kids that could compete in a tournament to win something. I believe the first gaming tournament ever was Atari's Swordquest series, way back in the early 1980s, and the prizes were fucking surreal. Literally stuff made out of gold and precious stones. Nowadays, we literally have a bunch of guys wearing dry-fit T-shirts, with team names, fucking numbers on their backs, like, are you for real? What's even the point of a number on the back of the shirt if the announcer's going to call you by your nickname? It's not like, say, hockey, where the ref hands out a penalty by saying "(team city/state name) (shirt number) (penalty minutes) (reason for penalty)", like "Edmonton, 97, 2-minute minor for tripping", "Boston, 63, 5-minute major for boarding", etc. It's honestly just a bunch of guys with a wannabe sports team (fuckers even have drafts, like they're in the NHL or the NBA), getting paid to click on a screen. Unlike when you have true gaming tournaments, like for example, EVO, with the classic, most badass moment of gaming history in EVO 2004 with Daigo. That was ONE guy doing it, and he didn't even have a sports shirt. Just some guy with an arcade controller and that's it. That moment is probably more legendary than anything from e-Sports history. Back to R6, I honestly started feeling that every change the game made was "Pro League first, community later". Seems like you couldn't meme anymore on the game, because "oh, we're removing C4 from this operator, and this operator's gadget is nerfed, and this operator's getting buffed, etc". I know some nerfs/buffs were necessary, like fucking Blackbeard with an indestructible shield on his SCAR, or Buck's C8 having an indescribable amount of recoil for some reason, or even Glaz being basically an useless operator. But when you go out of your way to rework operators and maps entirely, turn them all into absolute pieces of dogshit and expect your community to like it, you're just out of touch with reality. And the sad part is, it's easy for Adderall nerds on Pro League to adapt to the new mechanics, but it's hard for the overall community to adapt. Therefore, they care more about Pro League than their own community.
Taking away cooking frags did remove a skill aspect of the game, but that shit genuinely was a problem. They were so good that they made any operator that had them instantly better and there was nothing you could do to counter them if you didn’t have jager or wamai
Or because you could count on one hand how many ops had nades. They play an important role in the game as THE secondary for removing bullet proof utility and forcing defenders out of power positions. It's a niche that only the frag grenade filled properly. They were a vital part of many sight executes requiring someone to bring them. Say if only one set of nades needs to be brought every round on average and only 4 operators have access, no shit their pick rates are going to skyrocket. If ubi gives nades to one under performing operator there WILL be a huge surge in picks, if they gave out nades to five under performing operators the individual impacts would be much smaller. To countering nades just get good. If you got blown up by a cooked nade that means you were holding one vulnerable position for long enough for the attacker to realize were you are, cook their nade, and then throw it. Never hold one angle for that long, or if its an importation power position yeah bring jager or wamai. Even then the attacker has to already be in position to line up the throw or have to take extra time to get there. One thing I will admit though is that depth charged is really hard to deal with and what ultimately killed the gadget. That said they are really uncommon out side of pro and top ranked and it isn't my belief that such a small fraction of the community should be held over the much larger casual/semi-casual population. This is all just my opinion and, as you can probably tell, the frag nade changes really upset me. Nades existed just fine in sieges meta for YEARS and I think its sad to see such a long line of questionable balance decisions from ubisoft kill something so beloved.
@@EllioGatieIf somebody is holding a an important vulnerable position, they should be defeated through interesting sight lines, not a simple and brain dead grenade cook. The maps are well designed enough that no one angle is truly fool proof, there is always a possible rotate to get an angle on somebody. And if that rotate isn't timely feasible then it should be your teammate's job. This is the game Ubi wanted to create, a game where the complex maps they designed get used to their full amplitude. A game where teams have to carefully consider how to divide into squads and what squads should accomplish what tasks in order to get the right sight lines opened. It's not perfect by any means, I think Azami's ability to play retroactively around attacker's pushes is fundamentally flawed and should be looked into, but all in all I actually like the game better now. The gunplay changes are also designed to serve the importance of sight lines. Camping is very powerful and it should be. If somebody is holding an angle you should have the disadvantage if you were to push him without flashes. And that's good. You shouldn't just swing him and ooh boy peeker's advantage 3 speed kill him. Just look at pro play from before and after these changes, you see way more of the maps getting utilized, defenders working hard on and allocating resources to defend walls so the attackers don't get the crucial sight lines. Walls which wouldn't have mattered as much before.
Man, the recoil is crazy now. If only there were some sort of operator who had a no recoil mounted gun and a little bit of protection against random recoil headshots that could hold a angle.
i don't even like siege but this is such a damn good video the pacing the humor the editing is just all so damn entertaining keep it up man this is amazing
The way I feel about it, is that the game is supposed to be a tactical shooter. They shouldn't remove the ability for people to shoot just because they want to push gadget usage, and they shouldn't nerf guns because gadgets are too strong. They should make the gadgets viable, and then make the gunplay match the gadgets. Make players want to use both the gadget and the gun, and not just pick an operator for one or the other. But then again they're the ones that made the balancing to Ghost Recon: Breakpoint and gave the players the option to beat the game within the semi-cinematic first area and not think about it.
It's crazy how you can use this video for helldivers 2 Both arrowhead and Ubisoft fight their player base both of them hate popular weapons and a meta existing
I respect the level of editing that went into this video man! I understand how difficult balancing content creation with school and work can be. I’m honestly not surprised to hear that it took 6 months on/off to edit this video. It’s inspiring to see this level of dedication. Keep going and I’m sure you can be really big one day!
The game Squad had an Infantry Overhaul Update, where they made ADS slower and guns harder to handle. It’s the same philosophy but is Player skill and Teamwork. They nerf player ability’s to encourage team work and making it a numbers game. A majority of the community like the update.
Yeah but to be fair that game is balls to the wall realistic or at least I tries to be, guns have weight, they can be clunky at times I’ve handled rifles before IRL, but siege is a game where the bullet goes where the reticle in a scope goes, you can see the forehead of an enemy but because your cranium is on his reticle youre gone, even though his muzzle is jammed into the wall
the energy of the video and the "adhd" editing was done on accident but its also symbolizes the fun the game had being sucked away as the adhd threw the video "chills out". a really good analogy of the game.
I completely agree with you, all my buddies just say whomp whomp when ever ubi removes the fun in siege because they are all to focused on competive they won’t even play secure area or hostage anymore
I haven't touched casuals since i started playing the game. And even back then i didnt care for hostage, would always have someone griefing with tchanka, goyo, or id youre attacking then fuze. They would just outright burn or blow up the hostage and end the round basically immediately. Secure area is OK, i wouldnt mind playing it, if the gameplay was designed around that game mode. But the gameplay is designed around Bomb, i dont like trying to use Acog + slow ADS speeds in a mode where youre basically constantly being revealed to the enemy team.
fr. my best memories of siege don't involve sweating my balls of to maintain a positive kd in ranked. Its of not trying very hard to do anything besides mess around and have fun.
I had to delete my comment that I posted before sending this video because you pretty much hit the mark on everything and everything I mentioned in my comment you also mentioned. Bhopping, everyone having the exact same loadout to create balance, etc. This video is a masterclass on everything wrong with the game and you did so well making the video I'm genuinely impressed. Thank you for making this.
Guess what! They decided to nerf Ash just like you predicted! And not her speed no that's too smart. They nerfed the mag size of the r4c. Which also hurts RAM. BRAVO UBISOFT
The best most important line that Ubisoft needs to remember: "Balance isn't really that important. What actually matters is that the game is fun." (30:23) Ubisoft forgot this a long time ago because of pro league.
I stopped playing this game years ago as a result of this stupid bs. They don't seem to understand their own game and their philosophy regarding balancing is so contrived. In a game with this many operators there's always going to be ones that people pick more because it is more fun, more lethal, has a cooler special ability, is more important for the map, etc. They just nerf everything that people enjoy using, it's not about whether anything is actually overpowered. And why is it a problem if some operators aren't as lethal? Some operators perform more of a team support role and don't need to be as lethal as others. That pick rate graph is overused by them, they clearly don't have a very developed understanding of the gameplay of their own game. They rely way too much on overly simplistic data points it would seem.
This is a horrible analogy and it’s embarrassing too even as a joke. The modern ccp developed China amazingly. It brought hundreds of millions out of poverty and turned it into a superpower. Development and humans rights aren’t mutually exclusive lmao.
There was a recent insider info from Ubi, where the person leaking the info said that the devs working in Ubi right now on FPS games have NEVER played an FPS in their entire lives. Many also just generally hate guns. Which is the reason Xdefiant is dying, and Siege weapon balancing has gotten worse over time as the high ranking devs left the team.
I remember mastering buck since year 2 when he “had one of the worst recoil guns” according to almost every good player. I got good with a reflex sight and Andes when he was one of the lowest picked operators. And for some reason they decide to remove frags 5 years later because he magically became overpowered when every other good gun now had worse recoil? And in y9 he is one of the top picked ops again. If he gets more nerfs I’m done
They might remove his stun grenades if anything but thats not really the end of the world. Not much you can do to buck at least nothing i can think of off the top of my head except mess with his secondary gadgets. Messing with his gun does nothing as anyone can just go into the shooting range for 15 minutes and figure out the new recoil, as allergic as people seem to be when it comes to using that mode.
Year 1 player here. Great video and ahhhh omggggg... I played a lot of Siege overall, some periods on and off (life). After having last played a lot during the TDM meta, which was diff from OG Siege but fun cause since 2016 my guns-kill got much much better, so when I booted up the game again recently (after the whole game overhaul) like ... jeeesusussss.... the game felt hooorrible, unfamiliar, clunky, awkward, slow, recoil was uncomfortable (because lots of recoil is okay but this felt just wrong) etc...after playing for a few hours thinking id get used to the new game as Ive always done, I just realised I simply wasn't having fun at all and all my fav ops where trash, and their gadget useless even compared to TDM where I like to often use utility cause it was more unexpected, like come on ubi... Crazy, I will always always love Siege so this was heartbreaking to see the game in this state. I am literally scared to start playing again because this was rough ... sad
23:10 The funny about this is that I used to be a player who liked smoke, but exclusively played echo and valk. This is because I frankly struggled to SEE people in the game so bad I couldn’t gunfight (despite being pretty good in other fast paced shooters). I started playing the other day and I felt like the way the maps were set up, I was not being encouraged to use my gadgets. 24:36 I played dm yesterday and I felt how slow ads was. I didn’t know it was nerfed, but I felt like the only way to play was to “slide the pie” on EVERY CORNER.
Reinstalled and played Siege a couple days ago. Took 3 hours to aim down sights. Uninstalled after three matches. Now I understand why so many people complain about Siege being "no longer what it used to be".
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Just remember, Ubisoft nerfed shit so hard that the joke guns became meta.
TWICE.
It's about to happen again, with BOSG. The gun was intended to be the meme-option and it's overshadowing a bunch of nerfed primaries now.
@@xMinosif I get one tapped by a vigil across the map again I’m going to fucking end it
that's highlevel bullshit
@@xMinosVery true. i recently got my hands on the bosg and other than the occasional surviving a chest shot im having a good time 1 tapping from 50m
@@joonefps if i get killed by a vigil across hte map with a spawnpeek on kafe again...count yo days ubisoft
Remember, they tried to remove Smoke's immunity to his own gas. That was a legitimate thing they tried to do. They have no concept of the words "fun" or "balance."
Holy shit I completely forgot about that LMAO, these dudes are actually clueless man
This is like if Valve tried to remove the afterburn imunity from pyro.
whats even sadder is people defended that nerf
@@roman8197The crying shame is that Ubisoft devs seem to be the bottom of the barrel when it comes to skill in their own game, that or their play-testers are.
Nobody with even a passing knowledge of the game would’ve okay that decision.
@@maxwellhesher1790 Should see the For Honor devs. Those guys suck ass too, and balance the game
Back in the day I used to have a process to picking my operator. “Theyre on this map so they’re probably on this site, I’ll pick this op because they’re useful here” now I sit there and stare at the operator select screen almost until time runs out because I don’t know who to pick, because no one’s fun to play anymore.
I think that it is even worse on defense because all the ops either have terrible guns or no utility LITERALLY not allowing you to bring any form of utility if you want to win a gun fight.
@@shadowdragonz4777lesion, fenrir, melusi, azami, maestro, wamai, sentry. I’d consider a decent amount of others ops in here too, these are just off the top of my head
Attacker repick has made picking ops way more strategic, certain ops entire use can be based around droning and figuring out the setup. Maestro or Kapkan on the board I’ll counter with brava, same or iq if see valk or vigil. Back when there was no repick droning was essentially throwing cause once u picked ur line up u were set, so why waste a drone.
Tooooooo real
Ong than I Buck or Wamai
Ubisoft is nerfing so hard i feel in the future we will have a "pistol meta" where everyone runs around with pistols ignoring their primary.
That actually sounds fun lol
If they nerf the pistols, there probably won't be room for that 😂
That was ela for a while lol
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Yeah we uh, aren't far. I've actually messed with this and pistols are by far and away the fastest class, with an ads speed of upward of 0.19, and if you hit the first headshot, you win. There's a theory and solid logic here, it'd just need some good practice. I want to see this happen.
No idea why out of the blue YT decided “wanna see a vid on a game you haven’t played in 4 years”, but I’m more than grateful it did. Won’t be playing siege again, but I enjoyed the editing style, pace and humour. You deserve way more than what you’re getting buddy, you’ll blow up one day.
TH-cam is telling you to not try r6 again
You should it’s still fun
It's not as bad as he put it. While I agree that Ubisoft's balancing is aimless, it isnt to the point where it's a dead game.
@@katyrr While i agree the video is sometimes incoherent and all over the place cuz of the wild editing and photo bombing, i am not really motivated to play this game solo like i used to some seasons back. I only came back to play with some friends who got the game recently. Ubisoft clearly has no idea how to balance the game, the attackers feel way too weak compared to the defenders and the recoil of nearly every gun is straight up horrible. I won't even talk about ranked 2.0, sadly they took out everything that made siege unique and fun for the sake of balance and pros.
@@miguelzurita3216The game isnt even close to dead. In fact im pretty sure last year it hit a peak player count. The game has never died, in my eyes if youre racking in over 10k players a month then its far from dead lmao. But some people think of theyre not bringing in 50k+ concurrent players then that means it's dead. It's so stupid how some people define "dead" game. Its really people who just dislike the game and don't like the direction it's headed convincing themselves that its not worth playing anymore, for reasons outside of them simply not enjoying the way its played anymore.
Their "balancing graph" is so idiotic, the way they balancing the operators feels like they do "less" rather than do "more" by making the operators useless.
The best part is that it proves they don't actually play the game and solely rely on stats
@@liquidsweg4858 i think it's more like the devs doesn't know of how their game works and they just listen to which part of the community they like.
What is it about animals shaped like humans that is so appealing, not something I would ever think of
@@AR15andGOD What is it about handheld death machines and an all-powerful force is so appealing? ("AR15" and "God"). People have their own preferences, likes and desires, even if you'll never understand them
@@AR15andGOD what are you an alien?
I think its crazy that the viability of an entire operator was whether they had that .5x more zoom
It's because Siege has so much goddamn visual clutter that it is impossible to see the enemy without a zoom.
Didnt matter too much at the beginning of the game. But the 1.5 helps with easy and/or sneaky head shots. The game at the beginning wasnt made to revolve around one shot headshots and it felt like the 1 shot mechanic was still a problem when i stopped playing a few years ago.
@@klyxesyou’d be glad to know hit reg doesn’t even let you hit your headshots 70% of the time
Most reticles in the game suck. Holo is decent, but it's so hard to shoot at range with it because of how many details, colors and clutter there is. Acog is good, but you lose peripheral vision and fighting close range can be hard to track. 1.5 is a balance of not being too much zoom for close range, not taking away peripheral vision, while helping you shoot at range and discern objects more clearly. But most importantly, the reticle was really good. It was probably a bit strong as it had very little down side, but I think the bigger problem is that to play 1x sights, you need to play stretch rez or you won't see shit.
So this explains why every time I tried to get back into playing this game, everything either feels different or just wrong.
Tried to play yesterday after not playing for 3 years and it felt SO unbelievably wonky and clunky with the ADS speed change.
The gunplay doesn’t feel right and the gadgets & utility distribution are all over the place
Dude, I just played like a week ago. Game is so clunky I remember a long time ago. The aim was so precise. The movie was so precise, and now it feels so bad.
Lol I stopped playing this trash after they stole Bucks grenades. The movement and overall speed of this game is SOOO pathetic now the game is so stupid now.
I miss the blue/orange color scheme so much. It's a very small thing, but those were the colors I stared at for 6 long years.
The new interface his horrible
You can change the colors in the settings bsck to orange and blue
@@612minigun True, but doesn't it only keep your team blue and the opponent only orange? I remember thst when you switches sides, you swapped colors.
@@Angrynood You can set your team to be orange, and enemy to blue, but then enemy gadgets will be marked as blue when pinged. It's so stupid I can't even think of an excuse for that. Why not keep enemy gadgets red, when the team is blue? Ask the braindead drunk lobster in ubisoft's office. Even if it's somehow easier for colorblind people. MAKE IT OPTIONAL, FOR GOD'S SAKE!
@@Angrynoodcolors never swapped in the game. Team were assigned either blue or orange when you loaded into the game.
What a sad state of affairs. I actually love Siege as a game concept, though the dev team just really keeps throwing their excrement at us as if they want to make us not want to play.
They won't fix it if you guys keep playing it; they clearly don't want you guys having fun.
One of the only games that make me feel that way. Its a shame really. The Game had potential to be one of the best shooters ever made imo.
@@soundrogue4472Nah, even if people stop playing they will just move on to the next big thing and leave it to rot like many other game devs have done to their games before. The only way siege can becone the great game it was always supposed to be is if a team that actually cares about the game being fun and not just looking at data and tweaking numbers takes over.
@@soundrogue4472If people stop playing they'll just cut funding and move on
What is it now, but a 5v5 hero shooter?
No really, I used to love the concept. But the concept I loved was the anti terrorist special force going in with a free pass on refacing the building's layout. I loved that it was an hardcore shooter. You had a team, an objective, a gun and a compass. You could be creative in your approach. Hide in the shadows, risk your head by peeking early, lock down hallways with a murder hole... It was just unlimited. That more serious and immersive vibe coupled with a freeing gameplay was what I loved.
But that's also what was taken away.
This balancing method SCREAMS “we are looking at numbers and nothing else,” nerfing everything Jäger has except his gadget seems like they saw the numbers and wanted to curb it, not giving a damn why the pick rate was high in the first place or if it would even be fun
Nah, it screams we know what the problem is but can't do anything about it in the shorterm, so we are kneecapping the ops fragging power till we get around to doing a more complicated rework of their gadget. Do they then adjust the power of the operator after the gadget rework? Nope, not in the slightest, and the operator is left in a terribly unfun state.
Then there are the frags which they outright gave up on doing their intended rework for because it was too complicated and instead turned them into a meme with zero skill expression that isn't worth taking over flashes.
the “overwatch league effect” i like to call it
Numberfrogs. I hate this method of balancing. Looking at pick rates and nothing else then changing stuff that never needed touched.
@@userb1x1 It reminds me of blizz gigabuffing reaper and mei during goats, to literally no effect cuz of how strong goats was
Dawg jägers main problem was the gun please get over yourself
Next nerf: We are going to remove the headshot kill mechanic because we felt as the enemy wasnt given a chance to act and shoot aswell
In XDefiant, Ubisoft's another multiplayer FPS, there's a a really ironic thing about that. There is a faction that has aesthetics and active abilities based on Siege. Do you know what is its passive? Cancelling out enemy headshots, so they count as body shots instead!
siege doesn’t actually have a 1/shot headshot mechanic. it just uses an insane headshot multiplier. in shooting range you can see it, certain weapons at 20+ meters through walls won’t 1 shot headshot mechanic
I swear that they're going to say at some point, "being shot through the wall and dying is unfair because you never see your opponent so we have decided to get rid of destructable surfaces".
Haven't they done something similar? I think it had to do with bulletholes.
@@The_KM_Projects Yep, those fuckers removed the bullet holes and there are only bullet "spots" on the walls in the game now
They literally did that though with explosives.
@@mamuebav okay let's be honest dying to bullet holes in a wall or getting spawn killed through a barricade that you couldn't even tell was broken wasn't fun at all that's actually a good change
@@mamuebavBullet holes were legitimately ridiculous though.
You literally couldn't do anything about it besides putting a drone in the common spots and hope your prefire beat their nasty angle.
Which, granted is a solution but as time goes on, the sheer amount of nonsense you have to do as set up before even making your plays is ridiculous.
I preferred longer rounds for exactly this reason. Having more time for each round discouraged these playstyles. Having more time slows down the game and encourages the more tactical experience.
Ubi nerfing guns when the community get too good is like fromsoft nerfing dodging because people can beat bosses without getting hit
Ironically that would actually make the game easier for most bosses, as shield poking would be the meta. It would also make the community about 75% worse as most shield players I've seen do not have any concept of timing or spacing
Such a good analogy
They kinda did that in Dark Souls 2 and surprise, many people hate that game for it
It’s actually the opposite, the community wasnt getting better they were getting braindead, dependent on gunskill with the strategic aspect being undermined when it’s far easier to tdm
@@UnPokemon People hated the introduction of YET ANOTHER arbitrary dump stat in the "build your character your way, so much variety, wow" video game (Acrobatics). Absolutely. However, dodging is THE meta in Dark Souls 2 because that game gives rolling the most i-frames if you invest into Acrobatics. So ironically, they didn't nerf dodging, but they did force players to spec into it. And it just so happens that if you spec into Acrobatics, it makes any non-shield build better...oops.
It's still a great game tho, but that was definitely the "forward assist" of design choices in video games lol
Something I'm noticing with this video is that 3-armors are shunned heavily and Ubisoft isn't doing shit about it. They're literally using that as a frickin punishment nerf. It's like putting the operator on timeout.
You'd think if they wanted the game to be less Call of Duty they would address that.
That's the problem, the R6 devs don't think, they just throw out random patches and hope it works out.
a good half of the operators are 3 armors, despite having operator models the size of twigs
"This operator is good and fun? Unacceptable! MAKE THEM FAT!!"
The counter strike bit is even more relevant when you know they chose to make the aug and SSG cheaper so more people would use them, see they're good, and then they bumped the price back up, they got people using a new gun without changing the stats or nerfing anything else
if you've been following csgo back in the day you can see that its devs actually have the same "one right way to play the game, no fun allowed" mentality unfortunately. The way they gutted all the upgraded pistols, especially the CZ (the deagle no longer 2-shotting to the body against armor seems an atrocity of the highest order, but I wasn't playing as actively at that point), and the AUG debacle come to mind.
Recycling weapons was literally the beginning of the end of any decent balancing
Pretty much they blame it on licensing. Which is bs cos the amount of fictional guns that came after that. But really they are just lazy devs.
There's literally nothing wrong with this at all. A bunch of guns would outright never get used if they weren't reused.
@@NewYorks_ And a bunch of ops get thrown into the abyss of obscurity because this new popular guy also happened to have his gun.
@@BlinchixOfRiviaIt still isn't a bad thing in and of itself. It's just that Ubisoft is fucking incompetent in balancing it somehow because it's fucking easy like there is an example of what they could've done in this video but they decided both ops need to be nerfed for some reason.
@@NewYorks_ If the guns never get used you balance the gun to suit the character it was made for. Putting an FMG on attack or an AR-15 on defence is just so lazy.
Not to mention, the change to laser was an indirect nerf to shotguns. hipfiring with shotguns is absoloutely useless now
I thought about mentioning it, but there was already so to go over with the attachment rework that i forgor :)
not just hipfiring, even ads it is entirely rng whether you actually get the kill
We need to normalize guns actually shooting properly while not ads'ing
Battlebit did it and it feels so good.... (You need to compensate the sway of the gun while walking and turning, but the bullets don't magically curve).
That season, they should've added 2 lasers, a green one for hipfire accuracy and a red one for ads speed
@@Soliye. that sounds like the worst idea ever considering siege ttk
Can never forgive them for taking away bucks nades, because he ‘overshadows’ sledge.
Made worse is that then they NERF sledge because he is picked too much afterwards
They do that all the time. Ash picked too much.... Nerf... Ubi says play iana.... Ok play iana... Then she gets nerfed lmao
Then they nerf grenades as a whole and dont roll back the changes on either operator.
funny that ppl keep bring up the fact they nerfed sledge, or the (wow, this ops good, lets nerf sledge), when he's literally only gotten 1 nerf since he's been in the game. and thats him losing his smg11
hardbreaches are way better on buck anyways...
@@astolfo4346ah yes, buck, the famous breach and clear op, instead of the ‘go in there and fuck everything’ op.
@@astolfo4346Bucks main use is vertical play, throwing nades down on people from above to force them into bad spots for easy picks was 100% a better play style for buck than hardbreach charges. Sledge becoming a 1 speed is also 100% a nerf. The L85 has also been nerfed several times specifically because of sledge pick/win rates.
I just realized the brilliance of this video editing style after watching it for the 3rd time.
Probs no one will see this, but this is basically a funny moments compilation but with some much needed down time in between the funny clips with an actual topic he's talking about.
It just makes the pacing so incredibly smooth it keeps me hooked the whole way through.
Holy shit you’re right.
I totally agree.
It’s a detailed video essay, but it feels like a meme video/comedy hour with hilarious inserts and quips.
Actually subbed.
It feels like ubi is actively trying to kill the game
nah man, they added a membership!!! let's hope we will be back and that XDefiant doesn't go as bad.
They are
Sounds like Ubisoft tbh
Rip recruit
@@DCDsauce remember when you used to have to grind hours of siege to unlock the acog on your gun? xdefiant is just that but somehow worse
Still love the fact this "tactical shooter" has the operators have the ads speed of an old geriatric person due to how slow it is. It's bs for ads almost taking a full second each time, certainly means good things for frost mats, if anything good has come out of it it's that only.
TGANK YOU DUDE
I am not a Special Forces-level soldier. I am not even a soldier. I have, however, participated in a shoothouse before, more or less for fun; a friend made a few fake guns that were roughly the same size and weight as real-world guns.
I was able to aim down sights faster and shoot faster than anyone in modern R6.
Any airsofter would clap these people in terms of ADS speed especially from holstered@@ladywaffle2210
The operators ads just as slow as the terrorist from terrorist hunt
I don't believe the siege devs actually play their own game. They just throw darts at a dart board and go "yup we'll nerf "x" today!"
It either that or some higher up is going "this is now how you play the game NERF IT NOW" and the dev just have to or they'll get repaced with someone who will
Either or honestly
I don't think Ubisoft's leads and managers play games at all tbh. If they did, they'd know why most of their games flop.
@@Grumpy1174It's always the higher ups that are out of touch...
I think they do. They start the match, die, and then nerf what they died from
Or they could switch up designers regularly and they all have very different balancing philosophies. Considering this game’s been around for nearly 10 years, you can tell they’ve changed a dozen at this point.
my final straw was the nerfs to bullentproof things like mira and meastro. like why the hell would this thing be able to stop BULLETS if you can bang against it with a plastic stock and shatter it
It wasn’t really agasint maestro as it was agasint Mira, because at the time she was absolutely dominating. It made it so you had to actually put in in a good spot in site and think about where to put it. Maestro probably didn’t deserve that though, that was most likely for consistency.
all of this can be summarzied with a single statement:
No one who made Rainbow Six Siege still works on the game. I dont think a single original developer or director or artist is still on the team. Its being ran into the ground by inexperienced hires who dont have any passion for it or the genre. All of the directors were probably replaced by people with Esports experience and the entire project shifted towards an ultra competitive meta that they dont understand.
game metas shouldnt be constantly tweaked, but allowed to run their own course. Entirely changing the meta every 3 months signifies the developer doesnt believe their own playerbase is intelligent. If a meta comes to exist, players will find ways to counter it. Denying the players that ability is shameful
ok LOL
@@TheSultan1470 Ubisoft artist burner account
Agree with your first comment. Started playing in year 1, and while the game certainly had issues it felt like the team was doing their best to pull things together into a competent and coherent game. After it became more successful and Ubisoft higher ups took notice the dev team was expanded and eventually replaced, and with that the original vision was lost. This is probably most obvious in the map design: wide open hallways, rooms with only 1 or 2 solid pieces of cover. Villa is the worst offender in that regard. I can't say that the game's identity from Y1 is the same as now.
e-Sports ruined Siege. e-Sports really ruined gaming in general. I miss it when it was only a few clans like OG MW2 FaZe and not whatever it is rn. Seems like every change is made to cater to Pro League needs, and not what the community needs.
4:36 Tachanka also had his original voice actor replaced which took away all of the soul of the character imo.
Anatoly Zinoviev was a very respected person in the community, who actively interacted with fans and read out his iconic voicelines for whoever asked.
Keep in mind they only replaced him for “scheduling reasons” meaning that the only reason for the recasting was just them wanting to get his shitty rework out and over with.
Thought this was gonna reference that Tachanka had a TTS voice for a short while
His TTS voice in the test server was better than his new voice ngl
I literally haven't seen him much or played him at all since his rework, I didn't know they did that wtf!?
Anotolinyo Zvagolyeff
At least Ubisoft communicates what they're trying to do. With the detailed patch notes, developer commentary, and win rate graph, we can tell exactly what mistakes they made as soon as the patch drops!
Actually... That's true lol
You had me in the first half
The issue ive always found is if you balance a game by getting opinions from high level players or even around high level play, everyone who is casual bitches and moans, but then if you balance around fun in a competitve game like siege everyone who think theyre good or dies to something "fun" calls it no skilled and need nerfs. Also doesnt help youve got narcisstic mind games from people where they want acogs in the game, but then whine and bitch when its the best option. Theres also the fact non pros and people who arent super high elo will reiterate what someone whos good says just to get good boy internet points. Everyone wants to collectively bitch and moan about somethin and how it needs nerfs but then when everything gets nerfed into the ground theyre suprised. Look at league of legends for even more examples. Nothing will ever be balanced and fun in a pvp setting. Theres always gunna be someone hopped up on copium blaming something about the game.
We’ll just listen to the pros and balance our game based on their feedback. What could go wrong? It’s basically a win-win situation.
*Famous last words*
Gadgets are often getting so nerfed, reworked, and inconsistent to use, I feel like my gun skill is the only reliable consistent thing I can use and control.
Which that isn’t even consistent cause sometimes you can get “Hit Rejected” notifications. The game has fallen off so hard
And even then, they'll go on to make your gun practically useless anyways... Because, why not?
Removing t hunt was completely ridiculous
I downloaded the game in order to play it again, as i really loved clearing the levels with different gadgets, weapons e.t.c. I couldn't find it, played a couple cluster f#ck what casual games and uninstalled it.
I played r6 purely for that. I played it so much that I memorised T spawns on Plane and House. I and my best friend used to challenge each other to see who could take down the most Ts on realistic difficulty. i loved having to be tactical and methodical, slowly moving through the map, listening out for shuffling or footsteps where one missed audio cue meant i was spectating my friend. i also miss the 💣 guys who would be really tough to kill on realistic unless you flanked them and disabled their primer. wish they put more love into t-hunt it was such a good time for me and my friends.
won't be playing any more now that it's gone, and even if they added it back the inability to take people down through walls and the nerf to frags drastically removes any tactical aspect to it.
not to mention the tachanka change, that turret was so fun on t-hunt defence as you could set up a choke point while your friend played as castle to watch your back and cut off flanks. that turret made a point feel like a fortress under siege. now his GL feels awful to use and is so useless as enemies can walk straight through it, and his lmg being a weapon makes his other weapon redundant, and turns him into just another frag operator rather than a "set up a choke point and turn the point into a bunker" operator
@@LucidLiuxx I’m perfectly happy with the tchanka change. He was a broken, useless and dysfunctional operator. You can’t fault Ubi for finally fixing him, regardless of memes. Let’s be real here
@@redandblue1013The issue is that he is STILL broken and useless. They didn’t fix him, they just took away the bit that made him fun. That is why Ubi is 100% to blame.
The first and only game I ever played of Siege was me running into a bedroom, grabbing a lady and running away without seeing a single soul.
100% winrate, 0 death, 0 kills, +1 Woman.
Great game. I'm never going to play it again.
Hmmmmm
@@Scientist-exe I'm a tier one operator.
Sigma
they were so scared of you that they all ran away.
@@manboy4720 I like to imagine so.
4:27 it’s weird they took every piece of silly goofiness out of the gameplay then sold you a cosplay convention in the shop. You’ve made a tactical shooter then put 2b against Rick and Morty
Siege is sad, it used to have a fun element to it in Year 2 and 3. But now it just seems like Home Owner's Association of a Karen took charge of the balancing team and once had fun as a 5 year old and wanted to never have the experience of having fun ever again and so set out to ruin it all.
@@anthonyrivera8934 Modern gaming's target audience ^
Yeah I know now it’s boring and un fun
Lmao, why is this so accurate?
And that Karen is called the Pro League
My favorite operator got buffed so you are wrong and you are just cherry picking the examples in your favor like I play maestro and he gets buffed and just play the game it's fun no matter what you think it's still fun and enjoyable
The balancing is half the reason I stopped playing Siege. I literally used to bet with my friends on who was gonna get the dumbest, most out of nowhere and unnecessarily powerful nerf and Ubi just kept 1-upping themselves. I just slowly lost all will to play the game since every few months the game would basically be completely remade for the worse with little to no new content added to attempt to balance it out. Day after day I would log on, and day after day it was the same maps, with the same operators, using the same strats, over... and over... and over... and over again.
The community is about as pleasant as burying your head in a fire ant nest, cheaters run the game and Ubi just doesn't seem to give a crap about solving it, and the new subscription is just them being so obvious that it's not about making a good or functioning product, it's about just printing money off the whales who are addicted. From what I've experienced, the majority of the community can basically be summed up as the "Consume product then get excited for next product" meme. When I still had my Reddit, anytime I would try bringing up the fact that Ubi was destroying the game, I would get just dozens of the dumbest takes I've ever read. Honest to God, I once had a dude tell me that bringing up the endless cheaters, lack of proper balancing, and the content drought as an attack on the inclusion of gay people into the game (I wish I was joking, the R6 Reddit community has actual fucking brain damage).
The game has constant bugs and glitches that often last for multiple seasons or even entire years, it runs like the only thing holding it together is a 15-year old anemic hamster kept alive through the power of demon worship and child sacrifice, meanwhile the community just sits there and takes it. And if you raise even a single finger in protest you get blasted by an endless wave of room temperature IQ neckbeards basically telling you to shut up, stop asking questions and CONSOOM PRODUCT.
Ubisoft has managed to starve and abuse the community to the point that the slightest hint at a new map or weapon is seen as the second coming of Christ. SBMM being in every single mode made it impossible to just have fun with your buddies, if you're not sweating your nuts off, you're gonna lose and you will lose rank, even if you're in Casual... no, wait... "sTaNdArD".
There's no fun to be had anymore, every decision has made the game go from bad to worse and somehow Ubi continues to find new ways to ruin the game I used to love. I spent over 1,100 hours over 2 1/2+ years of my life on this game, I want it to be great, I want to come back and have this be my favorite game again, but the devs just have no clue what they're doing and quite frankly they need to be fired and replaced by competent people who know how to balance, are willing to make new content, and are willing to fix the game's issues.
BTW really good video 10/10
All applies to Destiny 2 as well!
I think you've pretty much nailed it. A company's only goal is to make money and Ubi isn't even trying to hide it. Meaning the people who see no problems with Ubi's actions, are the same ones who are willing to dump hundreds are dollars into pointless cosmetics. Also I think the problem with the current developers is a lack of direction. They aren't the same people who made the game originally, so they don't have the same vision for what the game should be. The seem to be lacking a clear direction to take the game in and what changes should be made. It seems their only real guidance is the operator's pick and win rates.
Decent takes, but its not as bad as you make it sound. Its bad, yes i wont deny that especially when it comes the balancing. But its not "quit the game" bad at least not for me. I still have fun loading up the game with the boys and just running around doing whatever i want without sweating and absolutely crush the competition (if im lucky 😂). But yeah you dont have to full on sweat to win, especially not with the new ranked 2.0 system. If you just accept that winning isnt everything and just make it a secondary objective to having fun with the boys then the game isnt near as bad. There are plenty of content creators out there who's content circles around being stupid and just having a good time, you dont need to sweat at every game to win and you dont have to play on a monotonous, orthodox way to win every game. Also interacting with the community at large is sorta optional, as it is with any game. If i wanted to interact with a community, i would go outside and interact with the people around me, not people on the internet with bad takes.
plebbit users trying not to be slower than my cat challenge (she has a habit of drinking from the kitchen sink even though we put a bowl of water into the same kitchen the sink she takes sips from is located)
@@ibrahimdelomavicsmithson164 disagree, maybe for pvp but at least the other part of the game gets content whereas siege quite literally gets nothing
removing t hunt was my breaking point, i sent a whole ass 700 word document on r6s discord and got banned after saying some very nice words
Keep fighting the good fight
They couldn't have terrorists portrayed in their game which is based around an elite anti-terrorist task forc- I mean Esports and airsoft
Edit: Holly shit people, it’s sarcastic. My comment is sarcastic
This mode was what siege was supposed to be about, but they ran out of ideas and decided to focus on e-sports and let it be a battleass soap opera to sell skins and whatever
@@Soliye. then why siege did have t hunt in the first place if they cant have it lmao
original thing that tom clancy said should never be in game is PLAYERS playing as terrorists
it was fine with ai though, thats why previous tom clancy games (and i mean old ones) are singleplayer
@@Сталкер-ь2х It's not that they can't have it, it's that for them it doesn't make sense to still have terrorists.
If we go on a list of things that don't respect Tom Clancy's vision, we're in for a few hundred pages my guy...
As a friend of mine used to say
"Balancing should almost never come in nerfs, but boosting the most niche stuff so everybody can have a great time without feeling useless"
When I played the Siege Beta all those years I could tell the developers were actively trying to make a fun game to play, its loop and that fun factor had me hooked. Now it feels like the devs want to remove any of the last bits of fun left in the game, until there’s no fun or no players left.
Whichever comes first.
Beta was perfect
@@HS_Rick Beta was perfect, Red Crow was the last great update, White Noise was the last good update, Phantom Sight was the last update that was not below par. Everything from there was getting worse and worse, but I think Void Edge is when the game really became "WTF is even going on".
It’s the same story all over again with For Honor. Or any other live service Ubisoft game. They don’t want success, they harvest the suffering of the community
@@Venicilia i tried playing siege after all those years and i was greeted by the most horrible main menu interface in all my life i just turned that shi off straight after
its because they're catering to the 'pros' and esports players. If something is so stupid and so fun that it works even against high rank players ofc the high ranked players are going to whine about it
as someone who admittedly literally doesn’t and won’t play siege or any other competitive shooter, it honestly sounds like ubisoft wants to have a classic shooter without ads; that way they can just adjust accuracy directly by changing spread lol
somebody tell them they made a 2010s modern fps, I think they forgot
Siege is trying to become more and more like a tactical shooter, but what made it so successful is because of the snappy gun play combined with the high lethality of fights.
Seige trying to nerf guns by reducing the mag size will always be hilarious in a game where all guns are insta headshots.
Guns are simultaneously too deadly and not deadly enough.
headshots being instakills no matter what is actually an insanely unfun degree of randomness. It worked when guns were better and snappier because it rewarded precision but after massively nerfing ads all it does is turn fights into massive frustrating dice rolls with little skill. My shots are not going where i want them and i died because his shots, which are also going everywhere randomly, managed to nick my head
@@shdowdrgonrider no, it incentivizes strategy and teamwork. if you run and gun go back to cod.
@@crabtaker9490someone didn’t watch the video
Ironically this ended up killing any and all tactics in siege
"We know this will be an unpopular change"
Do you want people to stop playing your game ? If you know people won't like it, why tf are you doing it ?
You don't have to fix something that isn't broken. And if it was broken, then the change would be a popular one, right ?
Look at Maestro when it comes to collateral damage, every season when they try to change something it nerfs him, and almost every new op counters him
I’m gonna be honest I ain’t helping either the moment I see I laser cam I make it my mission to steal all them and make maestro regret ever picking him.
@@longliveyheking98 what sucks is every op with a gonne6 frags impact emps counters him, zof ash dokk brava and flores too
@@rafaelpamplona6179sledge’s hammer
Ubisoft has almost always had a problem with their balancing philosophy. For Honor and Siege are prime examples. There are more nerfs in Siege alone, than the entirety of the nerfs in the entire Super Smash Bros series, spanning more than 25 years, 5 games, and 44 patches, and 13 revision changes (a revision is when a game is released, but has a rerelease with underlying changes, such as being pre-patched, slightly altered, or fixing issues)
Right after this video came out, Smash's director Sakurai came out with his own video all about how "average is boring."
the Y7S3 overall recoil nerf was one of the worst fucking decisions
Guns in the game had less recoil than guns in COD, it was a good change.
@@Gigopz cod has unrealistic recoil, highly trained military operators can mag dump without it hitting the roof. Guns don't have much recoil irl unless it's poorly designed.
@@GCheckCentral I dont care about irl, its a game it should be designed to take skill to learn, guns shouldn't be laser beams.
Found the LMG user
@@person44222 And whats fun is purely subjective, just because you don't find Siege fun doesn't mean everyone else shares your opinion, you can go play other games, I will stick with Siege since I do find it fun.
bros unironically smarter than all of the r6 balance team
Every gun fight goes one of two ways, either someone gets instantly pixel sniped by a camper with an acog, or its a coin flip of who gets lucky with recoil. its like ubi is trying to make every gun fight a 50/50 at the expense of all fun.
If I had to describe the gun fighting in 1 word, it would be frustrating.
This sound like someone that doent understand the game very well, Im guessing by camping you mean holding an angle which Is pretty normal thing in an fps game and swinging the person holding will always give you the advantage, learning to control recoil is very rewarding and if you know how and when to peek gunfight are far from a 50/50.
@@Gigopzplus swinging first registers on the server quicker than sitting and holding an angle. I will say though the ads changes and removal of 1.5 especially for attack makes it way harder to attack even though the game was already defender sided during that meta. I think defenders should keep acog and not get 1.5, but I think attackers should get the 1.5.
I ave no idea what your talking a put with the recoil. It really is pretty easy to control on most guns. If you’re having to get lucky with recoil to win a fight your just awful at the game
Sounds like you played like 3 matches of this game, full sprinted into a line of sight and got mowed down, and quit forever because you're horrible and dont know how to slow tf down and use drones or check common angles. This is siege not CoD. If you wanna turn your brain off and just run and gun, then black ops 6 is coming out pretty soon. You might would rather look into that.
Ubi misses that half the point of balancing is perception. You can nerf things, but nerf the parts that are already weak when possible so you can keep shit fun for the players. No one cares if something is strong so long as there’s counterplay.
Rainbow is like... the only game I've quit because of balance changes. A thousand hours in it, too. It's not even any specific change that did it, it was the constant unending downward trajectory of terrible decisions spawning more terrible decisions progressively making everything feel worse to play. It felt like every single patch had a new clown ass change that wasn't asked for or was obviously the exact expected outcome of the change they made last time. For years.
The only game I've seen similar stuff in is Overwatch, and I think it's the exact same problem in both cases. They have a way things "should be" and hammer any outliers to that vision into submission irrespective of cascading consequences or player feedback. Player expression and meta isn't seen as the natural progression of strategy, it's seen as data points to curb.
Riot is also doing the same thing with Valorant like what Ubisoft is doing with Siege, nerfing characters and weapons, etc, for the sake of pro play and e-sports, outright saying Viper was nerfed BECAUSE OF PRO PLAY. (I was maining her since closed beta and she was nerfed multiple times simply because of her high pick rate and cus she was great, compared to other agents) Viper's recent nerf is the reason I quit the game, ruined the fun and ruined the experience. I am tired of devs making nerfs to good balanced characters instead of buffing the bad ones. It's so exhausting seeing great games and parts of games ruined because of pros. E-sports ruined competitive gaming/gaming in general imo.
The only difference is the OW devs are clearly trying to give the community what they want with the recent 6v6 testings
@@aidenbrenneman2302 Hah, funny. Even if that's the case and isn't just another arbitrary addition to try to quiet the playerbase down, it's coming after years of aimless balance changes and negligence followed by a move to a "sequel" that overpromised and underdelivered followed by more of the same crappy balance decisions.
What we wound up getting during that move was primarily an excuse to overhaul their monetization system, which replaced a system built on gambling that free players could at least participate in through play to one that hinges on fomo and necessitates ludicrous cosmetic buy ins.
The most significant balance changes stemmed entirely from a bandaid fix for the chronically low tank population, a result of having made tank so terrible to play that players refused to touch the role and ballooned queue times. Largely the role remains miserable, and the consequences from the change are so wide reaching they've created an entire new sect of their playerbase that wants to revert the only substantial change in format justifying the move to a "sequel".
The fact that they're listening to that is hardly worth much when they're the architects of their own destruction, and that's putting aside any debate about the actual viability of such a change. It's probably getting relegated to a side mode that's going to struggle to maintain a base large enough to find games anyhow.
Your choice in bgm is immaculately based
Alexander Karpazis (Creativ Director) and Joshua A. Mills (Game Director) destroyed the game entirely. I hold these two fully responsible for the disastrous state the game is in.
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I was pretty tired of what the devs were doing with this game but the final nail in the coffin for me in this game was when they nerfed Kali and framed it as a buff when she was already the most useless operator in the game at the time. It was something along the lines of "yeah we're buffing her by removing the guaranteed one shot down on torso shot (not kill, down) and adding damage dropoff to her sniper so she wont kill, down, or do anything past 25m with a 12x scope sniper".
It’s was super shorty for me, not just taking away from mozzie but just giving it to everyone else like Castle.
when they nerded clash by “buffing” her smg by making it full auto that has so much recoil you cant shoot past 10m away, compared to the old one that was the two shot burst that had low recoil so you can use skill to defend yourself.
Or when they nerfed Maestros acog and his lmg so many times when his cameras were out of line and nerfed him another couple of times before they finally got the cameras, and not reverting the lmg buffs.
Ubisoft has no idea what they're doing
*The devs are smarter than me
haven't since 2016 across the company. Nothing new
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you don’t need intellect to know what you’re doing
@@Soliye.Since 2018*
Imagine if the Rocket League developers noticed players starting to flip reset off of the ball and then just removed the ability to do that because it's not how they want thier game to be played lmao
Ubisoft is not playing their own game. They are treating it as a turn based, only data and text program
The house rework was right before i quit the game. Played it since launch, but that patch marked the obvious sign that the game was going in the wrong direction. The "balance" patches were clear evidence
i played since launch as well, and I stopped playing after they completely changed tachanka. Im glad I did because that quite literally snowballed into ubisoft brain blasting their game into a garbage dumb of a game. It has its title and memories of when it was fun, and thats about it
The balancing of this game is like a never ending cycle, change for the sake of change so things don't seem the same season to season. I would much rather have definitive balancing changes that point into a direction like the grenade nerf which is a cornerstone change if they don't backtrack on it. I would also like a change like this on defenders so they streamline the acogs and actually present a choice for the defender instead of "I pick wamai bc he has acog" a much more player focused approach should be "I pick this operator but should I also put an acog on him?". But nevermind with ubisoft's trackrecord we can expect years upon years of "X defender with acog was too strong so we removed acog and gave it to Y defender" "Oh no Y defender after given acog is also too strong it's time for a recoil nerf".
I agree there is no clear direction. The team working on the game now is different from the one that made the game. It seems the new team is struggling to find a clear vision or direction to take the game in. The only guidance they seem to have is the pick and win rates.
@@Spaadez I have to disagree completely, the direction to me is clear, slower and tactical game and less tdm running and gunning playstyle, I agree with all the nerfs and thing the game is finally going in a direction its supposed to.
@@Gigopz bro imma be honest, siege is not a tactical game. The older games were but siege is just a hero based arena shooter and the devs don't want to admit that. If they did the balancing decisions would've been more proactive instead of reactive.
@@GCheckCentral It is a tactical game, the older games were singleplayer mostly and not even close to what Siege is trying to do, balancing is mostly reactive since predicting the meta in 6 months is very hard even for them and they have done a good job on balancing the ops. Playing the game like an arena shooter doesn't get you far and if I thought the older games did a better job I would play them, but I don't enjoy any of the old R6 games.
which is why they did the ads speed nerf. to punish ppl who just pick an op for an acog. 1.0x's were already better before hand, then they also give them an ads speed bonus. no-one with more then 5 braincells should even be picking acogs rn cus they just arnt as good as 1.0x's. pretty much the only good reason to ever bring them is to spawn peak
Rainbow Six Siege is an example of what happens when developers Nerf everything, a shit game. Helldivers 2 is an example of what happens when you buff everything, a good game.
i dont think a single one of us enjoy this game anymore but we keep playing for unknown reasons
Many of us are too invested to dare venture towards any other title. And the mechanics and gameplay is so unique that we ain't got no other option. we play for nostalgia and that sliver of hope that Ubisoft will come to their senses... one day.
@@FlashySenap The nostalgia of what ? I played the game since day 1 and its in a far better state today than it was back then, hell it was barely playable for years with all the technical and balance issues it had.
@@GigopzL opinion + ratio
@@sLmp. OK zoomer.
@@Gigopz poor cope
imo the most defender oriented advantage currently is pixel-peeking. I've lost count of the times I've breached a seemingly empty room but heres a random guy way in the corner of the next room over and boom ur shot.
My idea for a fix for this is to have a proper muzzle. Currently the bullet comes from the sight. Moving the simulated muzzle to the actual muzzle will make peeking more difficult
begging ubisoft to be logical for their post 2017 products is like begging a fish to try walking on the ground.
I always hated how I died because I saw 1/16th of the enemy's head, and he still killed me. That doesn't even make any fucking sense. How do you see someone's hair and die?????
@@choppergunner8650 the fucking game's alien physics, the scope of the gun is the one that spits bullet. That's why u die before u even see the full head of the enemy mate.
@@HoxFox22 yeah, I always noticed how I killed someone before I even fully finished aiming. The funny bit is that theoretically, by using the gun with the most fire rate, you'd probably get better luck firing a bullet salvo and getting a random headshot than aiming center mass and killing someone.
@@choppergunner8650 as soon as I taught myself to not wait to start shooting until after I have finished ads-ing, I felt my kd ratio skyrocket
No one playing nokk because of silent step removal
Meanwhile Ubisoft : "it's the grenade change right? 🤡"
How can you support Palestine when the quran says the Bible is the word of God and the Bible says Israel belongs to the Jews? I bet you’re a minor as well.
Not the mention the excuse was that "every player should be able to hear the opponent" while cav literally does that better than nokk
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@@lLOVECHILDREN"every player should hear the opponent" they said while the whole game has the most inconsistent sound I've seen in any comp game ever
"welp, time to nerf the guns again."
Helldivers 2, after a few months: damn. Nerfing this stuff wasnt the best idea. Lets rebuff the stuff we broke and allow for more loadout variety!
R6s, after nearly a goddamn decade: we cannot allow fun.
Compare this to the recent HD2 patch, they realized players were using the orbital precision on moving units, which they didn't intend, so they buffed it to be more useful for how players use it instead of forcing you to use it the way they wanted
Exactly. The make everything dogshit approach doesn't work, especially after years of doing it.
Don't rush to praise HD2 balancing. I still remember them taking the Eruptor out back and shooting it in the head, and making the rocket launcher on the patriot unable to aim properly.
@@PowerfulSkeleton The eruptors shrapnel effect and massive ammo capacity was very silly, this patch is clearly a step in the right direction in terms of how things are balanced, as to actually making updates they're clearly very short on actual testing
@@PowerfulSkeletonokay but in comparison to
Everything we just watched
Hd2 is doing 300x better even with shitty changes
In Ubisofts Defense PVE games are way easier to balance it’s not like you have to account for the AI enjoyment.
id deal with the shitty balancing but having cheaters in high rank on top of it makes it literally unplayable when it was already unenjoyable.
I don't get how devs in many games don't seem to understand this; there will always be a meta. Doesn't matter what you do, as long as there is more than one option and they're not the same, something will be seen as better. However, newsflash, that's fine! Players care about this a greater amount if the meta is 1-or-more of; boring, easy to use, unfun to play against, (and more...).
3 things:
1. awesome video, solid pacing, you tackled everything in great detail and i love the sense of humour :)
2. fuck i miss intel meta.
3. no you're simply wrong, you FOOL, jager has an incredibly in depth knowledge of helicopters not trains.
I was surprised to see such a low sub count for the production value, this watches a lot better than most of the slop coming out of top creators rn. Always nice to see someone ragging on Ubisoft's horrific management of their properties in such a passionate and polished way. I hope your channel continues to take off. :D
Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to take off. No fly list got me. 😔
5:1 view-to-subscriber in 20 hours got this video flying on the algo
This is top tier quality content, hope the algorithm blesses it one day
To add a bit of constructive criticism though - the video had an "old Maxor"-esque style with lots of text and images popping up for but a moment. While very impressive, I bet people underestimate how much work all of this actually is, I am not a fan of the end product entirely
The pros: Gives the impression that a lot is going on, "comedic chaos" that never loses tempo
The cons: I have to choose between missing out on the content, or annoyingly rewinding the video every instance there isn't enough time to comprehend what I just saw. Infinitely worse on a phone than a PC, but the latter breaks the flow regardless, while the former makes me feel like I'm missing out on stuff
I know the comment may sound more negative than positive, but I'd rate the video 8.5-9/10. Very impressive stuff
It is tricky trying to make it chaotic while also coherent enough it provide clear information. There is a balance I need to focus on hitting.
@@SpaadezI think you hit the balance here. The fact of the matter is that things need to be fast paced in order to get people to sit for 30 minutes. So to capture this modern adhd crowd, you’re ALWAYS gonna get this complaint of things being too fast. Because they are. And they have to be.
@@Spaadez I hope you don't nerf the editing
@@SpaadezI think It would be good turn up the chaos in the editing when making making the funny points about the retarded lmg nerf and what happened to jager but when making a more serious point about the fundamental issue with ubisofts balancing philosophy then take it easy on the memes
@@Spaadez You're doing great bro, you'll find the balance before ya know it
I honestly thought the Acog coming back would be great for the game, but I made the mistake of thinking they would be mainly giving defenders 1.0s while most attackers had 2.5, so that attackers could have advantage at range and on holding angles while defense could reposition faster and have an advantage in closer range. Unfortunately what we got was instead practically every insane gun on defense having a 2.5 so defenders can now spawn peek and hold angles from narnia with absolutely no counterplay
Crazy that making guns feel awful was their first go-to for a lot of pick rate changes, when they are developing basically a hero shooter and not looking at the hero's "abilities" first before ruining the core of the shooter.
Banger vid holy shit. I keep seeing these channels with less than 5k subs in my recommended posting absolute heat. This video was fantastic
Happy to see this video blow up! Not only is this an important topic for Ubi to listen to, but your videos are so well edited andd high quality. I was surprised when I noticed you aren't a large youtuber with a million subscribers.
crazy how the go through all this 'thinking' to 'balance' grenades. you know what wouldve done that? reducing it to one so it still has the same destructiveness and balanced out with a c4
also i kinda want to get hired at a company like this just so i can make an actual decent update
@@thedeztroyr7751 Oh don’t worry, you’d be drowned under 5 middle managers and 2 monetization officers.
remember glaz’s rework that was supposed to make his smoke sight better so hed be picked more, and they just gave him frags so you didnt even take smokes anymore?
@@bwtez2466the thermal sight was peak, but then they nerfed it by having it lose power when you move too much, which doesn't even make fucking sense
I remember when the good thing to do as a defender was to lock down the bombsites and prevent attackers' entry. Now everyone (including 1 speed ops) roam around the map. Everyone thinks they're Cav or Vigil.
Not gonna lie, what ended up ruining this game was e-Sports. Pro League brought this game down as far as it could go, because people are always looking forward to the next big strategy, not trying to discover shit on their own. I had a friend who literally spent hours on custom lobbies trying to replicate what he saw on Pro League, and me, someone who never really played the game well (mostly a solid Gold II-I player), I never enjoyed how I had to learn and adapt to these Pro League tactics because that's the only way he would play the game, trying to replicate their tactics. That shit got tiring, and alongside with Ubisoft's constant map reworks and operator balances that always turned out ass, I grew distasteful of the game by Year 6, and I eventually stopped playing altogether.
I remember when Tachanka was literally the worst operator in the entire game (he already had the shield to the LMG), and NOBODY picked him. I started picking him out of fucking memery, but I actually developed good strategies that with correct teamwork was literally impossible to beat. Mute could defeat incoming drones, Jäger would destroy incoming grenades, and it forced people to expose themselves to the might of the Russian Lord if they wanted to enter the bombsite. I actually did win rounds using that fucking thing and actually got good at it. Anyone who'd try and get close enough for a knife kill would be met with a semi-auto shotgun to the face.
Since they reworked Tachanka into a complete mess of an operator, and the maps all changed, the meme is dead, the tactics are gone and the fun is over. And that's ONE operator I'm talking about. I could spend the entire day writing about how they ended every single operator because someone was probably bitching about it. Like Glaz and his smoke grenades and his sight that got changed so now you have to stand still for it to work, Twitch with a jumping drone, etc.
Even the term "e-sports" is a ridiculous concept about bringing baggage from athletics (already a clown show that makes me feel bad for athletic people tbh) and ruining gaming with all the same rules, restrictions, and money corrupting the purity of what it's about. These companies are all anti-fun and they want to exploit people for money. If they cared about their customer base, it wouldn't be like it is.
@@HateBear-real I'm not a 90s kid (born in 2000), but I like how back then they had proper gaming tournaments. Like, a bunch of random kids that could compete in a tournament to win something. I believe the first gaming tournament ever was Atari's Swordquest series, way back in the early 1980s, and the prizes were fucking surreal. Literally stuff made out of gold and precious stones.
Nowadays, we literally have a bunch of guys wearing dry-fit T-shirts, with team names, fucking numbers on their backs, like, are you for real? What's even the point of a number on the back of the shirt if the announcer's going to call you by your nickname? It's not like, say, hockey, where the ref hands out a penalty by saying "(team city/state name) (shirt number) (penalty minutes) (reason for penalty)", like "Edmonton, 97, 2-minute minor for tripping", "Boston, 63, 5-minute major for boarding", etc. It's honestly just a bunch of guys with a wannabe sports team (fuckers even have drafts, like they're in the NHL or the NBA), getting paid to click on a screen. Unlike when you have true gaming tournaments, like for example, EVO, with the classic, most badass moment of gaming history in EVO 2004 with Daigo. That was ONE guy doing it, and he didn't even have a sports shirt. Just some guy with an arcade controller and that's it. That moment is probably more legendary than anything from e-Sports history.
Back to R6, I honestly started feeling that every change the game made was "Pro League first, community later". Seems like you couldn't meme anymore on the game, because "oh, we're removing C4 from this operator, and this operator's gadget is nerfed, and this operator's getting buffed, etc". I know some nerfs/buffs were necessary, like fucking Blackbeard with an indestructible shield on his SCAR, or Buck's C8 having an indescribable amount of recoil for some reason, or even Glaz being basically an useless operator. But when you go out of your way to rework operators and maps entirely, turn them all into absolute pieces of dogshit and expect your community to like it, you're just out of touch with reality. And the sad part is, it's easy for Adderall nerds on Pro League to adapt to the new mechanics, but it's hard for the overall community to adapt. Therefore, they care more about Pro League than their own community.
@@choppergunner8650 Probably just mad your e-sports career failed
Esports ruin the fun in basically every game. Games will turn to shit when you balance them around proplay instead of, you know, keeping the game fun.
dawg out here playing factorio and you had to throw in the destruction noise at 11:38, scared the bejeebus out of me
Taking away cooking frags did remove a skill aspect of the game, but that shit genuinely was a problem. They were so good that they made any operator that had them instantly better and there was nothing you could do to counter them if you didn’t have jager or wamai
honestly people do be forgetting that. Gridlock of all people got a surge in picks because she had frags and her trax stingers were secondary
Yea every casual player doesn't know the hell that was getting depth charged
Even Jager or Wamai didnt help if they decided to go from below and nade.
Or because you could count on one hand how many ops had nades. They play an important role in the game as THE secondary for removing bullet proof utility and forcing defenders out of power positions. It's a niche that only the frag grenade filled properly. They were a vital part of many sight executes requiring someone to bring them. Say if only one set of nades needs to be brought every round on average and only 4 operators have access, no shit their pick rates are going to skyrocket. If ubi gives nades to one under performing operator there WILL be a huge surge in picks, if they gave out nades to five under performing operators the individual impacts would be much smaller.
To countering nades just get good. If you got blown up by a cooked nade that means you were holding one vulnerable position for long enough for the attacker to realize were you are, cook their nade, and then throw it. Never hold one angle for that long, or if its an importation power position yeah bring jager or wamai. Even then the attacker has to already be in position to line up the throw or have to take extra time to get there.
One thing I will admit though is that depth charged is really hard to deal with and what ultimately killed the gadget. That said they are really uncommon out side of pro and top ranked and it isn't my belief that such a small fraction of the community should be held over the much larger casual/semi-casual population.
This is all just my opinion and, as you can probably tell, the frag nade changes really upset me. Nades existed just fine in sieges meta for YEARS and I think its sad to see such a long line of questionable balance decisions from ubisoft kill something so beloved.
@@EllioGatieIf somebody is holding a an important vulnerable position, they should be defeated through interesting sight lines, not a simple and brain dead grenade cook.
The maps are well designed enough that no one angle is truly fool proof, there is always a possible rotate to get an angle on somebody. And if that rotate isn't timely feasible then it should be your teammate's job. This is the game Ubi wanted to create, a game where the complex maps they designed get used to their full amplitude. A game where teams have to carefully consider how to divide into squads and what squads should accomplish what tasks in order to get the right sight lines opened.
It's not perfect by any means, I think Azami's ability to play retroactively around attacker's pushes is fundamentally flawed and should be looked into, but all in all I actually like the game better now.
The gunplay changes are also designed to serve the importance of sight lines. Camping is very powerful and it should be. If somebody is holding an angle you should have the disadvantage if you were to push him without flashes. And that's good. You shouldn't just swing him and ooh boy peeker's advantage 3 speed kill him.
Just look at pro play from before and after these changes, you see way more of the maps getting utilized, defenders working hard on and allocating resources to defend walls so the attackers don't get the crucial sight lines. Walls which wouldn't have mattered as much before.
Man, the recoil is crazy now. If only there were some sort of operator who had a no recoil mounted gun and a little bit of protection against random recoil headshots that could hold a angle.
man I haven't played siege in years yet this video was funny as hell. You deserve way more subs
This is one of the best-made siege-related videos i've ever seen, you definitely deserve more than 4k subs. Also W Titanfall 2 mention :)))
The util meta was the last time I truly loved the game. Makes no sense in a util based game to get rid of all the utility
Nah it was too much tbh.
Yeah they went overboard with that he nerfing of the meta and that’s why everyone runs and guns now
I'm glad I left in year 4. I didn't mean to leave, I always kept an eye on the changes, but I forgot the many little ones that.
i don't even like siege but this is such a damn good video
the pacing the humor the editing is just all so damn entertaining
keep it up man this is amazing
The way I feel about it, is that the game is supposed to be a tactical shooter. They shouldn't remove the ability for people to shoot just because they want to push gadget usage, and they shouldn't nerf guns because gadgets are too strong.
They should make the gadgets viable, and then make the gunplay match the gadgets. Make players want to use both the gadget and the gun, and not just pick an operator for one or the other.
But then again they're the ones that made the balancing to Ghost Recon: Breakpoint and gave the players the option to beat the game within the semi-cinematic first area and not think about it.
It's crazy how you can use this video for helldivers 2
Both arrowhead and Ubisoft fight their player base
both of them hate popular weapons and a meta existing
I respect the level of editing that went into this video man! I understand how difficult balancing content creation with school and work can be. I’m honestly not surprised to hear that it took 6 months on/off to edit this video. It’s inspiring to see this level of dedication. Keep going and I’m sure you can be really big one day!
The game Squad had an Infantry Overhaul Update, where they made ADS slower and guns harder to handle. It’s the same philosophy but is Player skill and Teamwork. They nerf player ability’s to encourage team work and making it a numbers game. A majority of the community like the update.
Yeah but to be fair that game is balls to the wall realistic or at least I tries to be, guns have weight, they can be clunky at times I’ve handled rifles before IRL, but siege is a game where the bullet goes where the reticle in a scope goes, you can see the forehead of an enemy but because your cranium is on his reticle youre gone, even though his muzzle is jammed into the wall
the energy of the video and the "adhd" editing was done on accident but its also symbolizes the fun the game had being sucked away as the adhd threw the video "chills out". a really good analogy of the game.
honestly with titanfall2 being his fav game (W stance btw) i think its intentional
I completely agree with you, all my buddies just say whomp whomp when ever ubi removes the fun in siege because they are all to focused on competive they won’t even play secure area or hostage anymore
Gotta find yourself a another set of friends it sounds like 🤷♂️
@@lav762Casual is a waste of time tbh. I don’t touch that garbage either
I haven't touched casuals since i started playing the game. And even back then i didnt care for hostage, would always have someone griefing with tchanka, goyo, or id youre attacking then fuze. They would just outright burn or blow up the hostage and end the round basically immediately. Secure area is OK, i wouldnt mind playing it, if the gameplay was designed around that game mode. But the gameplay is designed around Bomb, i dont like trying to use Acog + slow ADS speeds in a mode where youre basically constantly being revealed to the enemy team.
tbf, secure area is literally terrible lmao. hostage is bad too, but atleast fun
fr. my best memories of siege don't involve sweating my balls of to maintain a positive kd in ranked. Its of not trying very hard to do anything besides mess around and have fun.
I had to delete my comment that I posted before sending this video because you pretty much hit the mark on everything and everything I mentioned in my comment you also mentioned. Bhopping, everyone having the exact same loadout to create balance, etc. This video is a masterclass on everything wrong with the game and you did so well making the video I'm genuinely impressed. Thank you for making this.
Guess what! They decided to nerf Ash just like you predicted! And not her speed no that's too smart. They nerfed the mag size of the r4c. Which also hurts RAM. BRAVO UBISOFT
LMG spray and pray bros win again
You know siege is not fun when I find overwatch to be more fun to play
The best most important line that Ubisoft needs to remember: "Balance isn't really that important. What actually matters is that the game is fun." (30:23) Ubisoft forgot this a long time ago because of pro league.
I stopped playing this game years ago as a result of this stupid bs. They don't seem to understand their own game and their philosophy regarding balancing is so contrived. In a game with this many operators there's always going to be ones that people pick more because it is more fun, more lethal, has a cooler special ability, is more important for the map, etc. They just nerf everything that people enjoy using, it's not about whether anything is actually overpowered. And why is it a problem if some operators aren't as lethal? Some operators perform more of a team support role and don't need to be as lethal as others. That pick rate graph is overused by them, they clearly don't have a very developed understanding of the gameplay of their own game. They rely way too much on overly simplistic data points it would seem.
The English language is overpowered for you.
@@TheSultan1470 What?
@@TheSultan1470 I just noticed that. Yeah, I don't know what my problem was that day when I wrote all that out. It was pretty bad.
i said it before and i'll say it again "The CCP's better at developing their country then ubisoft at developing their games."
This is a horrible analogy and it’s embarrassing too even as a joke. The modern ccp developed China amazingly. It brought hundreds of millions out of poverty and turned it into a superpower. Development and humans rights aren’t mutually exclusive lmao.
+4.6 social credit
@@Shoegaze- Intelligent comment, suprising for these kinds of sections.
@@IsaiahRowland-jg7sg LOL probably from a failed country
Amazing video brother. I forgot why I subbed to you but I’m glad I did. Also cool seeing someone who plays elden ring and r6
Had to finish before Shadow of the Erdtree drops.
@@Spaadez hell yea bro, that’s gonna be the greatest dlc we’ve ever played fs
UBI : dont use your gun in a FPS game
There was a recent insider info from Ubi, where the person leaking the info said that the devs working in Ubi right now on FPS games have NEVER played an FPS in their entire lives. Many also just generally hate guns.
Which is the reason Xdefiant is dying, and Siege weapon balancing has gotten worse over time as the high ranking devs left the team.
Once heard the wise saying, “The only way you can play a game *wrong* is to not have *fun* “
I remember mastering buck since year 2 when he “had one of the worst recoil guns” according to almost every good player. I got good with a reflex sight and Andes when he was one of the lowest picked operators. And for some reason they decide to remove frags 5 years later because he magically became overpowered when every other good gun now had worse recoil? And in y9 he is one of the top picked ops again. If he gets more nerfs I’m done
They might remove his stun grenades if anything but thats not really the end of the world. Not much you can do to buck at least nothing i can think of off the top of my head except mess with his secondary gadgets. Messing with his gun does nothing as anyone can just go into the shooting range for 15 minutes and figure out the new recoil, as allergic as people seem to be when it comes to using that mode.
Incredible video, love the editing style. Subscribed to see more rage about R6S in the future :)
Year 1 player here. Great video and ahhhh omggggg... I played a lot of Siege overall, some periods on and off (life). After having last played a lot during the TDM meta, which was diff from OG Siege but fun cause since 2016 my guns-kill got much much better, so when I booted up the game again recently (after the whole game overhaul) like ... jeeesusussss.... the game felt hooorrible, unfamiliar, clunky, awkward, slow, recoil was uncomfortable (because lots of recoil is okay but this felt just wrong) etc...after playing for a few hours thinking id get used to the new game as Ive always done, I just realised I simply wasn't having fun at all and all my fav ops where trash, and their gadget useless even compared to TDM where I like to often use utility cause it was more unexpected, like come on ubi... Crazy, I will always always love Siege so this was heartbreaking to see the game in this state. I am literally scared to start playing again because this was rough ... sad
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The funny about this is that I used to be a player who liked smoke, but exclusively played echo and valk. This is because I frankly struggled to SEE people in the game so bad I couldn’t gunfight (despite being pretty good in other fast paced shooters).
I started playing the other day and I felt like the way the maps were set up, I was not being encouraged to use my gadgets.
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I played dm yesterday and I felt how slow ads was. I didn’t know it was nerfed, but I felt like the only way to play was to “slide the pie” on EVERY CORNER.
Reinstalled and played Siege a couple days ago. Took 3 hours to aim down sights. Uninstalled after three matches. Now I understand why so many people complain about Siege being "no longer what it used to be".