Nothing is better than being 20mins into a video. Hearing Ezio talk about all the different ways to stab his allies to form sweden. With the diplostart sirens in the background like elevator music A true, classic experience
Sardinia here. That was correct except for one major thing. I meant to sound, because it is public press, genuine so Spain does it. I was being "so genuine" that you even believed it when in reality I got your wink wink nudge nudge message and understood what to do so I was negotiating "honestly" with Spain to get them to agree. The problem was Bordeaux, who was Italian saying I was stabbing them and they would pull away from Spain, which is the entire reason Spain was offering this deal. Thus I got mad at Meme because I thought if he was telling me to accept this deal wink wink nudge nudge, he ran it by Bordeaux. He did not and got me into a lot of trouble trying to dupe Spain while at the same time convince Bordeaux I am not stabbing in public press.
I will say, the alliances might not be being determined by modern day nations, but instead the way the map is made, encourages nations to form on historical lines. (Because it reflects geographical features that historically united those regions.) Though it’s likely that both reasons play a factor.
Yes, I agree. The good example to that is the Franco-Spanish border. Because this map is based on a real world map, there are no centers at the border. Interestingly this acts like the Pyrénées mountains, and prevented any successful invasion from one side to the other. On the other side, the Balkans are unified even though it is not based on a real empire. Similar, this is due to how much the centers are crowded here.
Hey, Gibraltar/Granada here. I have a few comments on this section of the game that might be interesting to people here: 1) First, for the 1:06:16 moves. Tunis and Sardinia tried to coordinate against me during the last 10 minutes of the phase by basically agreeing on the support to the Alboran Sea. I knew that if they knew that I saw what they were doing, they were going to change their moves, so I did basically the only strategy that would counter that in this situation, which is I shut up and pretended to be offline. It turns out they did do the thing they discussed, and that worked surprisingly well in these circumstances. 2) It's such a shame we weren't able to make that Corsican convoy to Barcelona go through. It would've been so awesome if we had gotten Corsica out there. Sadly Madrid probably had to support Porto to A Coruna, because if they don't and Paris goes for it, then our entire position collapses. 3) On 1:55:35 , Tunis was actually working with the Italians basically until they collapsed because at the beginning of the game, I had tried to go after Tunis with Baleares' support because we didn't really have anywhere else to go. However, this turn, Sardinia and Tunis got into conflict in press because Tunis thought that she was part of the Italian alliance and Sardinia thought she was just allied with the Italians. I don't really remember what how the conflict went exactly, but in short, Sardinia decided that his dying act would be trying to kill Tunis by supporting Berbers in. Berbers, meanwhile, had been generally neutral and just wanted a second center. As for me, I was in a complicated situation. I knew that if I support Berbers in, it would go through, because Cairo preferred Tunis, but it would still be 3v2. I didn't have anything against either player and both were promising that they would totally 100% be my friend. The main thing pushing me towards Berbers was that I would strongly prefer and army in Tunis over a fleet. However, I ultimately decided to let Tunis live because if Berbers got to 2, everyone was talking about a waive. And then I regretted my decision immediately because a strong Berbers could probably have done more to contain big Marrakech if we could make that work than a weak Berbers + Tunis. Because of this reason, and some of what would happen later, I think not supporting Berbers there is probably my biggest regret from this game. 4) Just to reflect on the Morocco stab at 3:06:24 , none of the Spanish were online to counter the stab, but even if we were, it was a tough situation regardless. If we preempt that Marra might do that, then the only real way to counter it is Madrid staying in Madrid. But if Madrid does that, maybe seeing Morocco's plans 5 minutes before the deadline or something, and Morocco stabs anyway, then I think Paris retreats into Navarre instead of disbanding, and then puts pressure on Madrid. And unlike with the Italian alliance, Morocco + France would probably be successful in eating us. What we really needed to do was spot the opportunity earlier in the phase, and have Madrid publicly announce that they are staying in Madrid, and then hopefully that dissuades Marra from stabbing and France still disbands because just France can't make *any* progress. Overall, I am really liking your commentary! This game was so big, that I didn't really keep track of like half of the map, so it's interesting to see you go over a lot of developments I didn't really know about at all.
Final Aquitaine/Bordeaux here: Basically what happened with the fish religion is that we all went into a press break following the Oslo and Spitsbergen subs and Krakow got kinda bored with the lack of chaos due to said break and the stabilization of alliances and asked if anyone wanted to form a religion to add more conflict. Since I just subbed in and was monitoring discord a lot I said sure why not. I asked if they had ideas about what it would be about and they just said fish with no explanation. This is likely cause their name on discord is fish related and my discord profile picture was a shiny Kyogre. Flare then pinged Freiburg aka undercooked fish bringing them into the religion. I then suggested the barrelyeye as a suitable pope and wilno said they would join on the condition that the leaf sheep were made the religion’s cardinals. We all then changed our in game names to be fish related and the religion was born. Luxembourg, Strasbourg, and notably Naples joined as members in the subsequent phases also changing their names.
Just want to praise you guys' incredible fortitude! I'd not watched half of this when i saw the next was out, can't imagine the effort it's taken to record and release on such a tight schedule.
Actually, Prussia was part of Poland for a time as the Duchy of Prussia. Its why Gdansk and Prussia are on that map drawn with that weird hook: That was the boundary of the duchy. It would be inherited by the Brandenburg Branch of the Hohenzollerns in 1618, but was still legally part of the Kingdom of Poland. It became a de jure independent state only in 1701, when Prussia was recognized as a Kingdom by decree of the Holy Roman Emperor as payment for Brandenburg-Prussian aid in a war with Poland won in the previous year. The catch being that it was Prussia that was made a kingdom, not Brandenburg and therefor the King of Prussia was only King IN Prussia, not in Brandenburg as well.
Berbers here again, just finished the video and wanted to clarify that I was actively negotiating on the side of Tunis until the move where I tried to get support from Gibraltar and Sardinia was dying offering support. From that board it made sense to me to get to two because I could possibly get a third from either Marrakech or Cairo, but it would have really secured my borders. Also I think I have one more good move left in me for this game, but I especially look forward to seeing the final map of the game to show off my conquests!
This is the first ever series I watch on this channel (yeah not a great start) and Ezio is absolutely KILLING ME, what a character, sounds like hell to play against
Lux: It's not true that I was evasive about what I was going to do. I was very conspicuous about stabbing Kiel. What we were supposed to be doing is working Azores+Kiel+Lux and get some dots from Britain. Kiel was supposed to be supported into London, and I hinted way too heavily to Azores: "Please, do not support Kiel, because I don't want him to survive." Kiel checked out from the game at this point, though, and what tipped him off was that I wasn't pinging him (because I didn't want him to read my extremely conspicuous hints. I saw how much heat were the Horde and Rabat getting for having three dots, so after I stabbed Kiel for the fourth dot, I made this apologetic post, begging everybody around me not to coalition me, because my Lux dot was on loan, and I wanted to be rid of it ASAP... But then nobody cared, actually. When I realized that, I suggested to Stras that, if he really wants to help Freiburg against those vile traitors Rome and Trieste (aka the Land Italians), he really should be moving to Switzerland, I mean you can take Lux, but you know, that would be tactically really kind of bad... And then I started thinking to what I was going to be doing next. No way I would be stabbing France or Stras. That's a sure way to be coalitioned. There were the remnants of the Wheel in Bremen and Rostock. Like the Wheel never was officially disbanded, it's just that people weren't appealing to it as an alliance anymore. Bremen and Rostock weren't really calling me for help, but my original plan was still to go and help them against the Vikings. But then Wessex joined the Vikings. This meant that I would have to guard my long coastline with basically all of my units (assuming the Vikings would continue to go smoothly more or less) and would be unable to do much of anything. So... seeing how light the Vikings were on accepting new members, I decided to join them, to have something to do and to not be stuck on the coastal guard duty. It was a discussion during the game, and it shows through in the commentary, but people approached this game with very different mindsets. It felt to me strongly that many people believed in the alliance victory and were really willing to pass on what was better for them personally to help the alliance as a whole. I believed in that to some extent (even though I did take care of myself) and I believed that many other people believed in that. I didn't seriously consider stabbing Stras, because well then I would be winning purely because I befriended a dodo and then ate him. That felt too cheap. My plan was literally to hang around dots and wait for a good opportunity. Park my fleets near British shores, send my army to the chaotic east. And then Bordeaux started bothering me: "What's your plan?" I answered honestly, that my plan was helping my allies and see how it goes. Why do I need a 4-year plan for getting new dots? I still had way too many, way too early. "Lux left the Vikings by building a fleet". That's bull. I'm not building one Viking army to single-handedly attack 4-armies France. That's stupid. Also, I was explicit at every turn when I was joining the Vikings that I won't be stabbing France or Stras. The British job wasn't done yet. There were plenty of naval provinces to occupy in the west. The famed Viking fleets were many, but were taking their time to arrive. I did leave the Vikings, by saying at gunpoint that I was leaving the Vikings, and doing not a single thing detrimental to them, yeah, I totally left.
Ezio: "The attack on my life has left me scarred and deformed.... *But my resolve has never been stronger!"* Honestly, I think Ezio makes a very strong case for him being a great Alliance leader who was doing strong things with the Vikings and making Odin proud and all that.
imo best duo on youtube, if you ask I shall oblidge you shall get the holy bell I give to no other (mostly bc you guys are posting part 4 and maybe 5 that if I miss Im gonna cry)
portugal: 1:54:55 god not taking azores here was my fatal mistake. i think the pre-fall negotiations here are where the game started driving me a little mad.
Oxfiles part 3: We love a good subscribe! 1)Bulblism-Yay I'm a cardinal now! I had really good relations with Mara and was annoyed with less talkative Bumble popes (I.E. people who wouldnt drop what they were doing to come save me from negotiating madness #GBA) and so took the initatives to run the elections and get Mara in charge. As a reward I became a cardinal and worked with Mara to get Meme back into the religion 2)An interesting thing about the British players is that I (and I think the others as well) would just search eachothers messages and read them all which made planned stabs hard except in the last moment, leading to our particular brand of chaos 3)I was working with Ireland and London and would have been happy to work with the vikings, I felt I hadnt done any bad stabbing/chaos for a few years at this point. London stabbed me by building an army. However, that is a build phase stab and like Ezio said, those are very hard to pull off. I was so lucky here and Ireland decided to keep working with me and get their close friend Edinburgh in on it too. I had now forgiven Edinburgh for destroying the GBA I and we had made a GBA II. I also agree with Ezio that if Wessex wanted to stab me they shouldn't have let me into Plymouth (something I was kind of expecting). Or they should have kept working with me, something I really wanted. 4)Because I was now at 2 centers I finally began looking at the rest of the board, negotiating with France (especially new Bordeux) and Luxembourg. I wanted to convoy to the continent and although Wessex's stab delayed that, I did build good relationships here, except for with Luxembourg who was rude. In later phases this became a big fight between myself and Luxembourg, and honestly I may have been over reacting. But the basic truth is we had such different play styles and objectives that even though IRL we probably would get along we seriously butted heads in this game. 5)Anyone notice I have a very similar colour to Luxembourg? Its fine... we're so far from eachother! But at the end of these turns I want to kill Wessex for building me up only to knock me down and Luxembourg for giving me the ick 🤔
There was a second gain for the HBE: Trieste was supposed to give Vienna (the province) to Wilno, in exchange for the army in Croatia going to Banat. Initially, both Sarajevo and Trieste (the players) wanted Vienna, so this came as a compromise.
54:38 New Jersey has a bunch of counties named after English ones, including Essex, Sussex, and Middlesex. In New Jersey, though, Middlesex is the southernmost of this group of three, and Sussex is the northernmost county in the state.
Finally got to watching more. About me trying to convince the HBE to not attack. Umm yes? But at that point I was head empty of what to do. And as you see I throw my dots and you can't honestly say after the fact I was not loyal meanwhile Meme is trying to keep his one center. I was selfless true to what I said LOL
IRELAND HERE!! I will say, the first GBA was not very successful outside of keeping Irelands oceans empty of vikings. that was very useful for me and the main early goal and success of the GBA! but yea then it broke, but maybe (i dont wanna spoil) but maaaaybe it reforms pretty successfully laaater
At around the 2 hour mark, I get why Ezio didn't want to support Trondheim in Oslo, but if he had, wouldn't he still have gotten Gothenburg *and* Oslo would have been down to one?
Yes, that is what would have happened with the moves that were input. I figured I was actually happy with Oslo being the one to take Oslo back, as it meant I could take it from a Viking stabber instead of needing to take it from a viking. Also it meant Gothenburg was guaranteed this way, which is a nice bonus. -Ezio
I think you missed a gooden opportunity that if you and Utrecht kept saying "We Heugue" probably didn't spell that right) you could make a propaganda poster or something along the lines of "The Danes Love Brest" since that's the name of part of the modern-day Nantes region, and Utrecht are currently in Denmark.
I like your videos guys, but is it really necessary to talk for an hour before showing any moves. Surely context and speculation about other parts of the board can happen while moves are on screen
This is a question we're kinda still wrestling with. In a normal commentary we're primarily talking about what we're seeing on the board, so it makes sense to have moves showing at all times - but in this game the vast majority of what we're talking about is negotiation prior to the moves. The moves hadn't happened yet when that was ongoing, and quite often the moves won't match what we're talking about, because people change their mind during a phase. So it doesn't feel like it makes sense to have the moves up during that time, at least to me. We could feasibly have the previous turn's moves up, but I think that just makes it a bit tougher to tell what we're talking about when we're discussing negotiations because the units won't be in the right places on the map. This is very much a different format to the usual and anything like that is going to need some experimenting, though.
@@DiploStrats Please keep pre-game and blank map explanations. As a viewer, the best part of massive multiplayer diplomacy (MMDiplo: new category??) is the player negotiations because it makes the lead up to betrayals exciting and the reveal more entertaining. Focusing on what is on the visible board fits tournaments and games with fewer players since those typically don't have as many intricate alliances, rivalries or religions. Zooming in while circling and pointing at the map with the cursor is plenty already. One option could be drawing or animating suggested moves, but that would be too much time and effort for a non-monetised 3+ -hour video (in my opinion). Especially when it's done about a hobby, which is should be fun for the content creator and viewers.
@@DiploStrats I appreciate you response, and understand your decision, i just end up skipping a lot especially when you seem to be speculating in parts of the board you aren't involved with.
love how we have a monarchy, a democracy, and an oligarchy, all in the same game.
And a religion with a papacy
@@danielchick1Now a caliphate!
Nothing is better than being 20mins into a video. Hearing Ezio talk about all the different ways to stab his allies to form sweden. With the diplostart sirens in the background like elevator music
A true, classic experience
Happy top be there for it!
The wheel collapse feels like the fall of Rome: lots of successors, lots of stabbing, lots of chaotic end dates.
Unreal CaptainMeme playing himself getting clever in communications and shooting self in foot is amazing.
Sardinia here. That was correct except for one major thing. I meant to sound, because it is public press, genuine so Spain does it. I was being "so genuine" that you even believed it when in reality I got your wink wink nudge nudge message and understood what to do so I was negotiating "honestly" with Spain to get them to agree. The problem was Bordeaux, who was Italian saying I was stabbing them and they would pull away from Spain, which is the entire reason Spain was offering this deal. Thus I got mad at Meme because I thought if he was telling me to accept this deal wink wink nudge nudge, he ran it by Bordeaux. He did not and got me into a lot of trouble trying to dupe Spain while at the same time convince Bordeaux I am not stabbing in public press.
I will say, the alliances might not be being determined by modern day nations, but instead the way the map is made, encourages nations to form on historical lines. (Because it reflects geographical features that historically united those regions.) Though it’s likely that both reasons play a factor.
Yes, I agree.
The good example to that is the Franco-Spanish border. Because this map is based on a real world map, there are no centers at the border. Interestingly this acts like the Pyrénées mountains, and prevented any successful invasion from one side to the other.
On the other side, the Balkans are unified even though it is not based on a real empire. Similar, this is due to how much the centers are crowded here.
I will never get tired of Meme continuously calling Nantes “Nontays”
My brain rn: "How else are you supposed to pronounce it?! Oh, like that? Eh... but the other one makes more sense!"
So does it not rhyme with Edmond Dantes from _The Count of Monte Cristo_ which I've always heard pronounced as "Dontays"?
I mean, it's not like he calls all regions by their name in their native language, I'm confused people were angry about it.
Hey, Gibraltar/Granada here. I have a few comments on this section of the game that might be interesting to people here:
1) First, for the 1:06:16 moves. Tunis and Sardinia tried to coordinate against me during the last 10 minutes of the phase by basically agreeing on the support to the Alboran Sea. I knew that if they knew that I saw what they were doing, they were going to change their moves, so I did basically the only strategy that would counter that in this situation, which is I shut up and pretended to be offline. It turns out they did do the thing they discussed, and that worked surprisingly well in these circumstances.
2) It's such a shame we weren't able to make that Corsican convoy to Barcelona go through. It would've been so awesome if we had gotten Corsica out there. Sadly Madrid probably had to support Porto to A Coruna, because if they don't and Paris goes for it, then our entire position collapses.
3) On 1:55:35 , Tunis was actually working with the Italians basically until they collapsed because at the beginning of the game, I had tried to go after Tunis with Baleares' support because we didn't really have anywhere else to go. However, this turn, Sardinia and Tunis got into conflict in press because Tunis thought that she was part of the Italian alliance and Sardinia thought she was just allied with the Italians. I don't really remember what how the conflict went exactly, but in short, Sardinia decided that his dying act would be trying to kill Tunis by supporting Berbers in. Berbers, meanwhile, had been generally neutral and just wanted a second center.
As for me, I was in a complicated situation. I knew that if I support Berbers in, it would go through, because Cairo preferred Tunis, but it would still be 3v2. I didn't have anything against either player and both were promising that they would totally 100% be my friend. The main thing pushing me towards Berbers was that I would strongly prefer and army in Tunis over a fleet. However, I ultimately decided to let Tunis live because if Berbers got to 2, everyone was talking about a waive.
And then I regretted my decision immediately because a strong Berbers could probably have done more to contain big Marrakech if we could make that work than a weak Berbers + Tunis. Because of this reason, and some of what would happen later, I think not supporting Berbers there is probably my biggest regret from this game.
4) Just to reflect on the Morocco stab at 3:06:24 , none of the Spanish were online to counter the stab, but even if we were, it was a tough situation regardless. If we preempt that Marra might do that, then the only real way to counter it is Madrid staying in Madrid. But if Madrid does that, maybe seeing Morocco's plans 5 minutes before the deadline or something, and Morocco stabs anyway, then I think Paris retreats into Navarre instead of disbanding, and then puts pressure on Madrid. And unlike with the Italian alliance, Morocco + France would probably be successful in eating us. What we really needed to do was spot the opportunity earlier in the phase, and have Madrid publicly announce that they are staying in Madrid, and then hopefully that dissuades Marra from stabbing and France still disbands because just France can't make *any* progress.
Overall, I am really liking your commentary! This game was so big, that I didn't really keep track of like half of the map, so it's interesting to see you go over a lot of developments I didn't really know about at all.
Berbers here, I agree with the analysis of point 3 and can confirm that despite agreeing to waive I would have probably built an army anyways.
@@prequelNjoyerbased
What I have learned so far from this series is that I would much rather be Ezio's ally than Meme's.
The best lesson! Look at how well my allies did.
-Ezio
@@DiploStratsespecially Helsingfors!
Final Aquitaine/Bordeaux here:
Basically what happened with the fish religion is that we all went into a press break following the Oslo and Spitsbergen subs and Krakow got kinda bored with the lack of chaos due to said break and the stabilization of alliances and asked if anyone wanted to form a religion to add more conflict. Since I just subbed in and was monitoring discord a lot I said sure why not. I asked if they had ideas about what it would be about and they just said fish with no explanation. This is likely cause their name on discord is fish related and my discord profile picture was a shiny Kyogre. Flare then pinged Freiburg aka undercooked fish bringing them into the religion. I then suggested the barrelyeye as a suitable pope and wilno said they would join on the condition that the leaf sheep were made the religion’s cardinals. We all then changed our in game names to be fish related and the religion was born. Luxembourg, Strasbourg, and notably Naples joined as members in the subsequent phases also changing their names.
God I just love the density of diplomacy in these games. Can't wait for 300 player chaos game!
I'm hoping for it. It would be insane.
-Ezio
I can't believe I caught this so early. I've been repeatedly checking throughout the week 🏴☠️.
Ezio playing off the expected stab of the vikings to improve the viking position is clean ❤
10/10 play
Glad you liked it! It was fun to do.
-Ezio
I love how the wheel is now:
Nurnberg & Wilno vs Freiburg & Vienna vs Rome & Trieste.
Just want to praise you guys' incredible fortitude! I'd not watched half of this when i saw the next was out, can't imagine the effort it's taken to record and release on such a tight schedule.
I've never played a variant or a chaos game but this series has me hooked!
Let's gooooo I've been itching. Only thing I do in my freetime while studying for my CPA!
Good luck on the CPA!
Actually, Prussia was part of Poland for a time as the Duchy of Prussia. Its why Gdansk and Prussia are on that map drawn with that weird hook: That was the boundary of the duchy. It would be inherited by the Brandenburg Branch of the Hohenzollerns in 1618, but was still legally part of the Kingdom of Poland. It became a de jure independent state only in 1701, when Prussia was recognized as a Kingdom by decree of the Holy Roman Emperor as payment for Brandenburg-Prussian aid in a war with Poland won in the previous year. The catch being that it was Prussia that was made a kingdom, not Brandenburg and therefor the King of Prussia was only King IN Prussia, not in Brandenburg as well.
Berbers here again, just finished the video and wanted to clarify that I was actively negotiating on the side of Tunis until the move where I tried to get support from Gibraltar and Sardinia was dying offering support. From that board it made sense to me to get to two because I could possibly get a third from either Marrakech or Cairo, but it would have really secured my borders.
Also I think I have one more good move left in me for this game, but I especially look forward to seeing the final map of the game to show off my conquests!
This is the first ever series I watch on this channel (yeah not a great start) and Ezio is absolutely KILLING ME, what a character, sounds like hell to play against
Glad you're enjoying! I do recommend starting in part 1 :), but at least you're able to enjoy it!
-Ezio
@@DiploStrats I did start in part one, but for someone who barely knows what diplomacy is it’s still pretty hard to follow 😭
this has been my favorite series of yours, it's been absolutely enthralling to watch! - makes me want to return to Diplomacy
Lux: It's not true that I was evasive about what I was going to do. I was very conspicuous about stabbing Kiel. What we were supposed to be doing is working Azores+Kiel+Lux and get some dots from Britain. Kiel was supposed to be supported into London, and I hinted way too heavily to Azores: "Please, do not support Kiel, because I don't want him to survive." Kiel checked out from the game at this point, though, and what tipped him off was that I wasn't pinging him (because I didn't want him to read my extremely conspicuous hints.
I saw how much heat were the Horde and Rabat getting for having three dots, so after I stabbed Kiel for the fourth dot, I made this apologetic post, begging everybody around me not to coalition me, because my Lux dot was on loan, and I wanted to be rid of it ASAP... But then nobody cared, actually. When I realized that, I suggested to Stras that, if he really wants to help Freiburg against those vile traitors Rome and Trieste (aka the Land Italians), he really should be moving to Switzerland, I mean you can take Lux, but you know, that would be tactically really kind of bad...
And then I started thinking to what I was going to be doing next. No way I would be stabbing France or Stras. That's a sure way to be coalitioned. There were the remnants of the Wheel in Bremen and Rostock. Like the Wheel never was officially disbanded, it's just that people weren't appealing to it as an alliance anymore. Bremen and Rostock weren't really calling me for help, but my original plan was still to go and help them against the Vikings. But then Wessex joined the Vikings. This meant that I would have to guard my long coastline with basically all of my units (assuming the Vikings would continue to go smoothly more or less) and would be unable to do much of anything. So... seeing how light the Vikings were on accepting new members, I decided to join them, to have something to do and to not be stuck on the coastal guard duty.
It was a discussion during the game, and it shows through in the commentary, but people approached this game with very different mindsets. It felt to me strongly that many people believed in the alliance victory and were really willing to pass on what was better for them personally to help the alliance as a whole. I believed in that to some extent (even though I did take care of myself) and I believed that many other people believed in that. I didn't seriously consider stabbing Stras, because well then I would be winning purely because I befriended a dodo and then ate him. That felt too cheap.
My plan was literally to hang around dots and wait for a good opportunity. Park my fleets near British shores, send my army to the chaotic east. And then Bordeaux started bothering me: "What's your plan?" I answered honestly, that my plan was helping my allies and see how it goes. Why do I need a 4-year plan for getting new dots? I still had way too many, way too early.
"Lux left the Vikings by building a fleet". That's bull. I'm not building one Viking army to single-handedly attack 4-armies France. That's stupid. Also, I was explicit at every turn when I was joining the Vikings that I won't be stabbing France or Stras. The British job wasn't done yet. There were plenty of naval provinces to occupy in the west. The famed Viking fleets were many, but were taking their time to arrive. I did leave the Vikings, by saying at gunpoint that I was leaving the Vikings, and doing not a single thing detrimental to them, yeah, I totally left.
FINALLY! I was hoping you'd post another episode during the weekend. Time to get comfy.
Ezio: "The attack on my life has left me scarred and deformed.... *But my resolve has never been stronger!"* Honestly, I think Ezio makes a very strong case for him being a great Alliance leader who was doing strong things with the Vikings and making Odin proud and all that.
Thank you for saying such a nice thing.
-Ezio
imo best duo on youtube, if you ask I shall oblidge you shall get the holy bell I give to no other (mostly bc you guys are posting part 4 and maybe 5 that if I miss Im gonna cry)
Praise the Bell! Thanks for the support.
portugal: 1:54:55 god not taking azores here was my fatal mistake. i think the pre-fall negotiations here are where the game started driving me a little mad.
I get that. It's your only feasible expansion at that time, and you were all already stabbing off that player.
Oxfiles part 3:
We love a good subscribe!
1)Bulblism-Yay I'm a cardinal now! I had really good relations with Mara and was annoyed with less talkative Bumble popes (I.E. people who wouldnt drop what they were doing to come save me from negotiating madness #GBA) and so took the initatives to run the elections and get Mara in charge. As a reward I became a cardinal and worked with Mara to get Meme back into the religion
2)An interesting thing about the British players is that I (and I think the others as well) would just search eachothers messages and read them all which made planned stabs hard except in the last moment, leading to our particular brand of chaos
3)I was working with Ireland and London and would have been happy to work with the vikings, I felt I hadnt done any bad stabbing/chaos for a few years at this point. London stabbed me by building an army. However, that is a build phase stab and like Ezio said, those are very hard to pull off. I was so lucky here and Ireland decided to keep working with me and get their close friend Edinburgh in on it too. I had now forgiven Edinburgh for destroying the GBA I and we had made a GBA II. I also agree with Ezio that if Wessex wanted to stab me they shouldn't have let me into Plymouth (something I was kind of expecting). Or they should have kept working with me, something I really wanted.
4)Because I was now at 2 centers I finally began looking at the rest of the board, negotiating with France (especially new Bordeux) and Luxembourg. I wanted to convoy to the continent and although Wessex's stab delayed that, I did build good relationships here, except for with Luxembourg who was rude. In later phases this became a big fight between myself and Luxembourg, and honestly I may have been over reacting. But the basic truth is we had such different play styles and objectives that even though IRL we probably would get along we seriously butted heads in this game.
5)Anyone notice I have a very similar colour to Luxembourg? Its fine... we're so far from eachother! But at the end of these turns I want to kill Wessex for building me up only to knock me down and Luxembourg for giving me the ick 🤔
banger explanation woah. the last minute stab bit too very true. we all read EVERYTHING
1:11:12 I mean… triangles can still be wheels, all that matters is that it spins
Croatia -> Banat (by sarajevo) was in exchange for Ionian Sea -> Naples. In order to maintain peace between the Italians and the HBE.
There was a second gain for the HBE: Trieste was supposed to give Vienna (the province) to Wilno, in exchange for the army in Croatia going to Banat. Initially, both Sarajevo and Trieste (the players) wanted Vienna, so this came as a compromise.
The "French Symbol" is a fleur-de-lis.
wow those substitutions were brutal.
Azores feels like the Return of the Obra Dinn, but it gets sunk by the insurance company after returning home.
Ezio be like:
_😤 AYO, F🤬CK THE BUMBLEPOPE 😤_
_😡 ALL 😡 MY 😡 HOMIES 🤬 HATE 🤬_
_😡🥵🤬BUMBLEPOPES🤬🥵😡_
May the Viking empire rise above the rest
Im so hyped for this video
This bumble stuff is my favorite c-plot
We’re sleeping good tonight
54:38 New Jersey has a bunch of counties named after English ones, including Essex, Sussex, and Middlesex. In New Jersey, though, Middlesex is the southernmost of this group of three, and Sussex is the northernmost county in the state.
I was wondering why I was rooting for Sweden, then I realize I was wearing a Viking shirt.
I only subscribed because Ezio convinced you to ask sincerely, I would have refused if you only asked ironically
Been looking forward to my favorite soap opera!
Finally got to watching more. About me trying to convince the HBE to not attack. Umm yes? But at that point I was head empty of what to do. And as you see I throw my dots and you can't honestly say after the fact I was not loyal meanwhile Meme is trying to keep his one center. I was selfless true to what I said LOL
IRELAND HERE!!
I will say, the first GBA was not very successful outside of keeping Irelands oceans empty of vikings. that was very useful for me and the main early goal and success of the GBA!
but yea then it broke, but maybe (i dont wanna spoil) but maaaaybe it reforms pretty successfully laaater
My windmill is an emblem on a viking shield of course!
At around the 2 hour mark, I get why Ezio didn't want to support Trondheim in Oslo, but if he had, wouldn't he still have gotten Gothenburg *and* Oslo would have been down to one?
Yes, that is what would have happened with the moves that were input. I figured I was actually happy with Oslo being the one to take Oslo back, as it meant I could take it from a Viking stabber instead of needing to take it from a viking.
Also it meant Gothenburg was guaranteed this way, which is a nice bonus.
-Ezio
10/10 would watch the anime.
This game is all that gets me out of bed in the morning.
GoT has *nothing* on the 81 power chaos Game
Furthermore: Ezio on his Durge run like “I was tempted to stab (insert ally here) but I didn’t!”
Chaos is.. chaotic in nature...
I love this series
Elm wasn't that bad :elm fire:
Diplostrats, the G.O.A.T of youtube
I knew salt was moving english channel the entire time 😂😂😂 1:04:29
3:10:20 Pressed the bell 😃👍
Thanks! It really does help.
Baldurs gate mentioned!
it's such a good game
BAVARIA WHEEELL RAAAA
ezio I havent activated the bell because I dont look into my notivications so and I get them recomended anyway
the true youtuber way is to say like, ding and subscribe at the start of the video, great series though
I think you missed a gooden opportunity that if you and Utrecht kept saying "We Heugue" probably didn't spell that right) you could make a propaganda poster or something along the lines of "The Danes Love Brest" since that's the name of part of the modern-day Nantes region, and Utrecht are currently in Denmark.
Lak and Subscrub!
Yesssss
honestly, i would watch the tiktok of a wheel that spins 😂
hmmm
YIPPEEEE
Does nobody walk into Switzerland the whole game?
I'm really hoping that stays true.
HECK
it's all Strasburg's fault
yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
I like your videos guys, but is it really necessary to talk for an hour before showing any moves. Surely context and speculation about other parts of the board can happen while moves are on screen
This is a question we're kinda still wrestling with. In a normal commentary we're primarily talking about what we're seeing on the board, so it makes sense to have moves showing at all times - but in this game the vast majority of what we're talking about is negotiation prior to the moves. The moves hadn't happened yet when that was ongoing, and quite often the moves won't match what we're talking about, because people change their mind during a phase.
So it doesn't feel like it makes sense to have the moves up during that time, at least to me. We could feasibly have the previous turn's moves up, but I think that just makes it a bit tougher to tell what we're talking about when we're discussing negotiations because the units won't be in the right places on the map.
This is very much a different format to the usual and anything like that is going to need some experimenting, though.
@@DiploStratsI like what y’all are doing with this one. Giving us a ton of stuff we could never know from the map.
@@DiploStrats Please keep pre-game and blank map explanations. As a viewer, the best part of massive multiplayer diplomacy (MMDiplo: new category??) is the player negotiations because it makes the lead up to betrayals exciting and the reveal more entertaining. Focusing on what is on the visible board fits tournaments and games with fewer players since those typically don't have as many intricate alliances, rivalries or religions.
Zooming in while circling and pointing at the map with the cursor is plenty already.
One option could be drawing or animating suggested moves, but that would be too much time and effort for a non-monetised 3+ -hour video (in my opinion). Especially when it's done about a hobby, which is should be fun for the content creator and viewers.
@@DiploStrats I appreciate you response, and understand your decision, i just end up skipping a lot especially when you seem to be speculating in parts of the board you aren't involved with.
Absolutely it is.
Henlo
58:29 i'd offer oxford/london a spot in the viking alliance and a rename into the dane law.